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KW4MW
07-29-2007, 11:57 AM
This has been around awhile but worth repeating

General Hawley's Speech to the Marines

Some thoughts from General Hawley:
From a speech given to the Marines by General Richard E. Hawley, USAF (Ret.).

For those who don't know General Hawley, he's a newly retired USAF 4-Star general. He commanded the USAF Air Combat Command [our front- line fighters and bombers]. The Command headquarters is at Langley AFB, VA. General Hawley is now retired and no longer required to be politically correct. His short speech is very much to the point.

The following are excerpts:"

"Since the attack [9-11], I have seen, heard, and read thoughts of such surpassing stupidity that they must be addressed. You've heard them too.

Here they are:

1. "We're not good, they're not evil, and everything is relative."
"Listen carefully: We're good, they're evil, and nothing is relative. Say it with me now and free yourselves. You see, folks, saying "We're good" doesn't mean, "We're perfect." Okay? The only perfect being is the bearded guy on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The plain fact is that our country has, with all our mistakes and blunders, always been and always will be the greatest beacon of freedom, charity, opportunity, and affection in history. If you need proof, open all the borders on Earth and see what happens.

2. "Violence only leads to more violence."
"This one is so stupid you usually have to be the president of an Ivy League university to say it. Here's the truth, which you know in your heads and hearts already: Ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more violence. Limp, panicky, half-measures lead to more violence. However, complete, fully thought-through, professional, well-executed violence never leads to more violence because, you see, afterwards, the other guys are all dead. That's right, dead. Not "on trial," not reeducated," not "nurtured back into the bosom of love." Dead… D-E-A-D. Well, you get the idea.

3 "The CIA and the rest of our intelligence community have failed us."
"For 25 years we have chained our spies like dogs to a stake in the ground, and now that the house has been robbed, we yell at them for not protecting us. Starting in the late seventies, under Carter appointee Stansfield Turner, the giant brains who get these giant ideas decided that the best way to gather international intelligence was to use spy satellites. "After all, (they reasoned,) you can see a license plate from 200 miles away." This is very helpful if you've been attacked by a license plate. Unfortunately, we were attacked by humans. Finding humans is not possible with satellites. You have to use other humans. When we bought all our satellites, we fired all our humans, and here's the really stupid part. It takes years, decades to infiltrate new humans into the worst places of the world. You can't just have a guy who looks like Gary Busey in a Spring Break '93 sweatshirt plop himself down in a coffee shop in Kabul and say "Hiya, boys. Gee, I sure would like to meet that bin Laden fella. "Well, you can, but all you'd be doing is giving the bad guys a story they'll be telling for years.

4 "These people are poor and helpless, and that's why they're angry at us."
Uh-huh, and Jeffrey Dahmer's frozen head collection was just a desperate cry for help. The terrorists and their backers are richer than Elton John and, ironically, a good deal less annoying. The poor helpless people, you see, are the villagers they tortured and murdered to stay in power. Mohammed Atta, one of the evil scumbags who steered those planes into the killing grounds is the son of a Cairo surgeon. But you knew this, too. In the sixties and seventies, all the pinheads marching against the war were upper-middle-class college kids who grabbed any cause they could think of to get out of their final papers and spend more time drinking. It's the same today.

5 "Any profiling is racial profiling."
Who's killing us here, the Norwegians? Just days after the attack, the New York Times had an article saying dozens of extended members of the gazillionaire bin Laden family living in America were afraid of reprisals and left in a huff, never to return to studying at Harvard and using too much Drakkar. I'm crushed. Please come back. Let's all stop singing "We Are the World" for a minute and think practically. I don't want to be sitting on the floor in the back of a plane four seconds away from hitting Mt. Rushmore and turn, grinning, to the guy next to me to say, "Well, at least we didn't offend them."


SO HERE'S what I resolve for the New Year: Never to forget our murdered brothers and sisters. Never to let the relativists get away with their immoral thinking. After all, no matter what your daughter's political science professor says, we didn't start this.

Have you seen that bumper sticker that says, "No More Hiroshimas"?
I wish I had one that says, "No More Pearl Harbors."

ad4mg
07-29-2007, 01:17 PM
Quote[/b] ]This has been around awhile but worth repeating
Nothing like some good Christian, neoconservative, ultra right-wing points of view, of the very old variety, to stir up some hate and discontent, eh, Mike?

Like all related blather, this one fails to mention that this administration quickly ushered the bin Laden family out of the country by allowing their aircraft to fly when Americans were grounded. And those pesky facts about where the chemical weapons used by Saddam originated.

Additionally, if the hypocrite in the White House was actually putting any effort into bringing the murderous thug at the root of the 9/11 attacks to justice, I could accept some of this Bible-Beating Body Bag Blather.

Circumstances being what they are, and this administration being the failure that it is, posts like this tend only to solidify my opposition to the injustice in Iraq.

A wonderful message for the ditto-head Kool Aid gang. Slurp it up neodudes.

nx6d
07-29-2007, 01:38 PM
You're even more gullible than I thought.

This speech never happened. It was a column by Larry Miller in 2002. (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/hawley.asp)

Right wing propaganda is SO easy to spot. Try harder next time.

Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA

KW4MW
07-29-2007, 01:39 PM
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ July 29 2007,09:17)]Quote[/b] ]This has been around awhile but worth repeating
Nothing like some good Christian, neoconservative, ultra right-wing points of view, of the very old variety, to stir up some hate and discontent, eh, Mike?

Like all related blather, this one fails to mention that this administration quickly ushered the bin Laden family out of the country by allowing their aircraft to fly when Americans were grounded. #And those pesky facts about where the chemical weapons used by Saddam originated.

Additionally, if the hypocrite in the White House was actually putting any effort into bringing the murderous thug at the root of the 9/11 attacks to justice, I could accept some of this Bible-Beating Body Bag Blather.

Circumstances being what they are, and this administration being the failure that it is, posts like this tend only to solidify my opposition to the injustice in Iraq.

A wonderful message for the ditto-head Kool Aid gang. #Slurp it up neodudes.
Bingo! # Right on cue with the usual kneejerk response. I find it so typical that you denounce those comments while at the same time you counter with the same old tired Lib-Bot cliches.

And Hey - thanks for making my day! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
#

Thanks for playing - you may now return to your herbal tea and Barbra Streisand movie. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

nx6d
07-29-2007, 01:44 PM
Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ July 29 2007,05:39)]Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ July 29 2007,09:17)]Quote[/b] ]This has been around awhile but worth repeating
Nothing like some good Christian, neoconservative, ultra right-wing points of view, of the very old variety, to stir up some hate and discontent, eh, Mike?

Like all related blather, this one fails to mention that this administration quickly ushered the bin Laden family out of the country by allowing their aircraft to fly when Americans were grounded. #And those pesky facts about where the chemical weapons used by Saddam originated.

Additionally, if the hypocrite in the White House was actually putting any effort into bringing the murderous thug at the root of the 9/11 attacks to justice, I could accept some of this Bible-Beating Body Bag Blather.

Circumstances being what they are, and this administration being the failure that it is, posts like this tend only to solidify my opposition to the injustice in Iraq.

A wonderful message for the ditto-head Kool Aid gang. #Slurp it up neodudes.
Bingo! # Right on cue with the usual kneejerk response. #I find it so typical that you denounce those comments while at the same time you counter with the same old tired Lib-Bot cliches. #

And Hey - thanks for making my day! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
##

Thanks for playing - you may now return to your herbal tea and Barbra Streisand movie. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
ooooooooooohh.

MW, you are SO slick.

Post something stupid, and of course you'll get a response.

I'd save the crowing for your barnyard...

KW4MW
07-29-2007, 01:47 PM
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ July 29 2007,09:38)]You're even more gullible than I thought.

This speech never happened. It was a column by Larry Miller in 2002. (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/hawley.asp)

Right wing propaganda is SO easy to spot. Try harder next time.

Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
I never said it was real - I said it was worth repeating. #

hey - it got you Lib-Bots riled up. #Served its purpose in that regard. #Now you'll be pissed off all day. # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Made my day though! # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Gotcha again!

ad4mg
07-29-2007, 01:49 PM
Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ July 29 2007,09:39)]Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ July 29 2007,09:17)]Quote[/b] ]This has been around awhile but worth repeating
Nothing like some good Christian, neoconservative, ultra right-wing points of view, of the very old variety, to stir up some hate and discontent, eh, Mike?

Like all related blather, this one fails to mention that this administration quickly ushered the bin Laden family out of the country by allowing their aircraft to fly when Americans were grounded. #And those pesky facts about where the chemical weapons used by Saddam originated.

Additionally, if the hypocrite in the White House was actually putting any effort into bringing the murderous thug at the root of the 9/11 attacks to justice, I could accept some of this Bible-Beating Body Bag Blather.

Circumstances being what they are, and this administration being the failure that it is, posts like this tend only to solidify my opposition to the injustice in Iraq.

A wonderful message for the ditto-head Kool Aid gang. #Slurp it up neodudes.
Bingo! # Right on cue with the usual kneejerk response. #I find it so typical that you denounce those comments while at the same time you counter with the same old tired Lib-Bot cliches. #

And Hey - thanks for making my day! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
##

Thanks for playing - you may now return to your herbal tea and Barbra Streisand movie. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Another not-informative ramble. When unable to defend the administration which you worship, redirect the attack.

It's a very tried and true neocowservative tactic.

Do you people ever have an original thought? At the very least, dissent does require some original thought.

Polly want a cracker?

KW4MW
07-29-2007, 01:56 PM
Quote[/b] ]Do you people ever have an original thought? At the very least, dissent does require some original thought.

Polly want a cracker?

Strange - I've been asking the Lib-Bots the same question for some time and recently began the Polly wants a cracker line.

You try to chastise me about not having an original thought and then you steal my material. Wattaloser!

Jeez - how low can you go - better toss out that herbal tea and get a cup of real coffee before you try any more thinking.

ad4mg
07-29-2007, 01:58 PM
Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ July 29 2007,09:47)]Quote[/b] (nx6d @ July 29 2007,09:38)]You're even more gullible than I thought.

This speech never happened. It was a column by Larry Miller in 2002. (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/hawley.asp)

Right wing propaganda is SO easy to spot. Try harder next time.

Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
I never said it was real - I said it was worth repeating. #

hey - it got you Lib-Bots riled up. #Served its purpose in that regard. #Now you'll be pissed off all day. # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Made my day though! # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Gotcha again!
You severly overestimate yourself, which in itself, is typical for those who can only parrot the same old party line blather.

The flag waving, war mongering, Bible beating neoconservative's time has expired in the political arena. #Real conservatives, with real values, those of interest to real Americans, are about to show you PNAC supporting, imitation conservatives the exit, while you remain fixated on the dumbocrats.

It will be quite a shock for you hunters of evildoers and nation builders.

I'm not angry at all. I derive great amusement from poking a stick in the eye of those foolish enough to push their face in-between the bars of their narrow minded cages.

KW4MW
07-29-2007, 01:59 PM
Lib-Bots - you gotta love 'em, they're so freakin predictable. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

nx6d
07-29-2007, 02:01 PM
Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ July 29 2007,05:59)]Lib-Bots - you gotta love 'em, they're so freakin predictable. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
So are you.

You're not as smart as you think you are.

Must be the humidity...

ad4mg
07-29-2007, 02:05 PM
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ July 29 2007,10:01)]Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ July 29 2007,05:59)]Lib-Bots - you gotta love 'em, they're so freakin predictable. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
So are you.

You're not as smart as you think you are.

Must be the humidity...
Guess he's at a loss for words, with him having resorted to the purely juvenile antic of name calling.

My work here is done! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

KW4MW
07-29-2007, 02:07 PM
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ July 29 2007,10:01)]Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ July 29 2007,05:59)]Lib-Bots - you gotta love 'em, they're so freakin predictable. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
So are you.

You're not as smart as you think you are.

Must be the humidity...
Snappy! # Snappy!

Damned sure isn't any humility Eh?

Actually I think I'm pretty smart. But I make it a rule to never overestimate my capabilities nor to underestimate someone else's.

You might take that into consideration for yourself Dave, that and good sense of humor might just improve your dour outlook on life.

Now smile dammit! C'mon - there's a smile in that ugly mug somewhere.

KW4MW
07-29-2007, 02:09 PM
Quote[/b] ]My work here is done!

Work?

But if you're leaving - well er - just leave.

ad4mg
07-29-2007, 02:54 PM
Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ July 29 2007,10:09)]Quote[/b] ]My work here is done!

Work?

But if you're leaving - well er - just leave.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Have a great day, Mike!

73 - Luke