More Proof that EBay just doesn't care

[Kb2RVL]

<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/wall-to-wall-and-tree-top-tall_W0QQitemZ330149250525QQihZ014QQcategoryZ1501Q QssPageNameZWD
VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_blank">EBay</a>

want a big radio? wall 2 wall and tree top tall! crunch'em all 250w

if you want to know more email me at youknow037@msn.com

this item is in working order!!!

This post comes complete with names and phone numbers!!!



Question & Answer Answered On

Q: #You told me you'd take 80. for the liner if thats with shipping i'll buy it my cell number is 405-830-6774 Les Jul-24-07
A: #80 plus shipping
Q: #I'll give you 180.00 plus shipping for the Liner and CB we've been dealing since you,ve listed them. Thanks Les Jul-24-07
A: #ok sounds good
Q: #I want to know more about your unit, I am getting ready to make a cb purchase and would rather have a newer design smaller radio (Hi Tech) looking with a big sound.Jul-22-07
A: #this is a 250 watt amp for any cb radio

[kc2orw]

The only way ebay is ever going to care is if something gets on the news and looks a little illegal. It's all about making money over there not anything more.

[K4GUN]

The really absurd part to me is that they allow this kind of garbage but don't allow the sale of legal gun parts. E-bay will not allow the sale of any ammunition magazine larger than 10 rounds even though only a couple of states outlaw them. So in order to avoid the chance of two people violating the laws of one state, they ban it all. Yet when it comes to radio, we're talking about absolutely violating federal law and that's okee dokee with them.

[KI4WEJ]

Maybe the FCC could send them a letter. Technically Ebay is just as guilty as the buyer and seller. I’m sure there are a couple hams on here that are in the know with the right people or person that could put a bug in their ear.

[n2nh]

This just shows how ludicrous the FCC rules are that you as a licensed Amateur can NOT buy an legal amplifier that has 10/12 Meters wired up, but CB'ers can buy illegal Amps and the FCC does nothing about it.

Who's paying for this outrage? We are.
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[W2BBQ]

Yeah eBay is just funny as heck about certain things. I'm into green laser pointers. They used to be flooded with all kinds of high powered models and now they're all gone. All you see is the little whimpy <5mw'ers. The bigger ones are perfectly legal in the U.S. provided they have the required labels and certain ones need safety switches. Glad I got my big one before the ban began.

[Kb2RVL]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 28 2007,11:42)]This just shows how ludicrous the FCC rules are that you as a licensed Amateur can NOT buy an legal amplifier that has 10/12 Meters wired up, but CB'ers can buy illegal Amps and the FCC does nothing about it.

Who's paying for this outrage? #We are.
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Just go the "cb" section of EBay, they're a dime a dozen out there. #O Oh you said "legally"...

[k0dxc]

Who cares if they care or not. By the way they do care a little because they removed the item whatever it was being sold. Ebay is not a ham radio website and they aren't based on our standards.

[KC2PBJ]

Since when is sleazebay's ethical or "legality of purchase" ever been if any concern to them? There is nothing new here: whether here or elsewhere.

[af6de]

a linear for cb? Whoa! I wonder about ePay sometimes

[KI4WEJ]

I did file a complaint through ebay about the item not sure if that's what did it or not! I guess it may help a little if we do some self policing of ebay as well.

[W4KTL]

Ebay probably doesn't have the technical expertise to look at every amp listed to determine if it's CB or amateur. One of the other posters was right; it's pretty much up to us to help them police. If you see an illegal amp, go to the security section of ebay. One of the subjects is illegal CB amps. You can email them through the site with the listing number(s) and they will investigate and hopefully kill the auction. Problem is if you look at most of the amps listed the sellers advertise it as a ham amp, but we (and the cbers) know better. When's the last time a ham bought an amp that was called Fatboy or Black Cat?

[K4GUN]

Quote[/b] (KC2PBJ @ July 28 2007,17:08)]Since when is sleazebay's ethical or "legality of purchase" ever been if any concern to them? #There is nothing new here: whether here or elsewhere.
When? When it comes to the legal sales of high capacity rifle and pistol magazines. Its a huge double standard.

[AG3Y]

Quote[/b] (KI4WEJ @ July 28 2007,21:22)]I did file a complaint through ebay about the item not sure if that's what did it or not! #I guess it may help a little if we do some self policing of ebay as well.
"Self Policing" Boy, THAT term hits a sore nerve with me !

We are NOT supposed to be "Policing" E-Bay, "Freebanders" or any other activity that does not relate directly to our activity on the frequencies we are licensed to operate on. That job SHOULD be the F.C.C.s

"Self-Policing" SHOULD mean if we hear something from another licensed station that is indicative of a mis-adjustment or technical problem, or improper procedure, we should notify the other station operator. He/She, in turn, should thank us for letting them know of the problem, and make the necessary steps to correct the problem, whether it be technical in nature, or procedural!

Example: The other day I made some changes to my computer/rig interface. Those changes caused me to get RF feedback into my transmitted pictures. Another knowledgable operator came along, informed me of the problem, even sent me a replay of my transmission so I could see the problem for myself. I thanked him for pointing it out, went QRT until I could remedy the problem, and all is well!

That's "self-policing" ! ! !

All this stuff about "ratting" on E-Bay, QRMming illegal operators on 10 meters, and telling the world about illegal radios being sold at "Joe's CB Emporium" is NOT what "self-policing" should be all about. That is someone else's job, and THEY are NOT DOING IT ! ! ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 28 2007,13:42)]This just shows how ludicrous the FCC rules are that you as a licensed Amateur can NOT buy an legal amplifier that has 10/12 Meters wired up,
Actually, John, that rule has changed now, hence HRO is selling Tokyo Hy-Power amps with 10/12m, no mods needed.

[n8yx]

Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ July 28 2007,20:03)]All this stuff about "ratting" on E-Bay, QRMming illegal operators on 10 meters, and telling the world about illegal radios being sold at "Joe's CB Emporium" is NOT what "self-policing" should be all about. That is someone else's job, and THEY are NOT DOING IT ! ! ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Give that man a cee-gar...

[KI4NGN]

What is it with you guys and EBay? It's a website for one party trying to sell something to another party, the site making their money on each sale. They're not in the business of enforcing any laws.

Would you complain about a newpaper with a classified ad that was an attempt to sell a radio or amplifier that you felt was illegal? If there was some way that a newpaper could collect on the sales for things they advertised, commercial and/or private, you can bet your bippy they would!

If the ad was in the newspaper, your focus would be on the advertiser, not the newspaper.

You guys need to get a life!

[KI4WEJ]

AG3Y I agree with you but you know what, the FCC is not going to do it! If a simple email to the right person in ebay helps a little bit then I'm not above that. I don't think any ham is too good to help out where help is needed and help is needed! After all if the FCC did say ok we will police the freebanders. We would all be ecstatic until we had to pay a hundred dollars a year for our license to compensate the salaries of the hundreds of additional agents that would be needed. If you don't want to take 30 seconds to file a complaint on ebay then don't, I did and I think it helped!

[K9STH]

NH:

As has been previously pointed out it is now legal for a manufacturer to provide linear amplifiers with the 12 meter and 10 meter bands activated. The FCC changed 47 CFR Part 97 to allow this late last year (2006). It is now permitted to get "certification" on new linears that allow operation in the 25 MHz to 35 MHz range.

Even prior to that any amateur radio store could sell linears capable of operation on 12 meters and 10 meters to a licensed amateur radio operator which had been previously modified or which were "grandfathered" under the regulations. Also, private sales (between individuals) have always been permitted.

Although eBay "sometimes" enforces the FCC regulations concerning amplifiers capable of operating on "CB" technically they are not violating the law when they allow such. The transactions are between the seller and the buyer. Now if the seller is operating as a business (and selling more than 1 of a particular linear design qualifies them as such) then the seller IS breaking the law. However, the buyer is not breaking the law by simply purchasing the item. Now the first time that it is put "on the air" by someone other than a licensed amateur radio operator on any frequency, or by a licensed amateur radio operator on any frequency that his/her license does not allow, then the law has been broken.

I agree that eBay does not always follow their "rules". There are certain individuals who are well known for selling defective items, items which do not meet their descriptions, etc., on a regular basis who "seem" to "be under the radar" who do this on a VERY regular basis. In fact, there are certain individuals who are literally selling hundreds and even thousands of items at a time who fall under this classification. But, since they are bringing in a very large amount of money to eBay these operators "seem" to be "overlooked". This is a problem with eBay.

Also, there have been a number of accounts "hijacked" and people with excellent records are now "supposedly" selling items which, when paid for, turn out to be either not what was sold or even non-existant. Again, this is definitely a problem.

Glen, K9STH

[N3ATS]

Quote[/b] (KI4WEJ @ July 29 2007,07:19)]AG3Y I agree with you but you know what, the FCC is not going to do it! If a simple email to the right person in ebay helps a little bit then I'm not above that. I don't think any ham is too good to help out where help is needed and help is needed! After all if the FCC did say ok we will police the freebanders. We would all be ecstatic until we had to pay a hundred dollars a year for our license to compensate the salaries of the hundreds of additional agents that would be needed. If you don't want to take 30 seconds to file a complaint on ebay then don't, I did and I think it helped!
If you do report it, I would keep mum about it. Who knows what the person selling it is like, and your address is just a click away.

[N0NB]

The problem with illegal amps and such goes far beyond eBay. The real problem is that few people respect the law as it pertains to radio equipment and the radio services. By and large, we hams and the broadcasters are probably the most concerned about following the rules. After us respect falls off rapidly.

It has been thus for as long as I've been interested in ham radio and it can be traced back into the '60s when respect for laws in general deteriorated markedly (do note that this coincides nicely of when the federal government decided to be a social sugar daddy instead of the keeper of law and order). In the '70s the radio and highway scoflaws became the darling outlaws of society and the feds threw their hands up and left the scene. What we have now is the result of four decades of societal influence and governmental indifference.