Ham turns saltwater into energy

[k5okc]

John Kanzius (sounds like Kansas) K3TUP retired from Erie, PA and went to Florida. #Two years later he was diagnosed with cancer. #That got him into thinking about a better way than chemotherapy. #His thought was to inject metal particles (nano-particles) into the blood, which the cancer cells attract. #Then using RF energy directed at the cancer, the cancer is destroyed.

Garage Cancer Cure (http://wm.wkyc.gannett.edgestreams.net/news/20070515_garagecancer_wkyc.wmv)

After working on this, he discovered that if you put saltwater into the RF, it ignites and burns hot:

Saltwater Fuel (http://wm.wkyc.gannett.edgestreams.net/news/20070522_saltwaterfuel_wkyc.wmv)

Left unsaid, is how much energy is consumed by the RF to produce the saltwater flame.

Still an interesting line of experiment.

[n6vmo]

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[KG4RUL]

Power your car? Where does the RF generator go and how do you power it? Is there ANY net energy gain in this system? Without answers to basic questions like these, this is still smelling of snake oil!

[N2RJ]

Maybe they'll sell the cure at Dayton. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KA4DPO]

I give this guy a lot of credit. #A true american genius if there ever was one. #He could have just given up but he didn't.

As for the unexpected discovery, a 1,500 deg flame is a lot of energy. #It may take more energy to produce the flame than the flame itself #but it's a new direction if nothing else.

Everything else has already been invented I mean, we have cheese in aerosol cans, what's left? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[VO1GXG]

Ham radio operators are brilliant people http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[n2nh]

There really are a lot of possibilities for these applications. The nagging thing about it is, why didn't somebody come up with this sooner??

[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 17 2007,15:19)]There really are a lot of possibilities for these applications. #The nagging thing about it is, why didn't somebody come up with this sooner??
Why didn't anyone come up with cheese whiz sooner?

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[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (VO1GXG @ July 17 2007,14:50)]Ham radio operators are brilliant people http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Unfortunately that isn't universally true.

I'd say there are brilliant people who just happen to be hams.

In any case, this beats the pants off of my homebrew projects. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I say " bring back the 20 wpm cw test " to encourage brilliant people to show how smart they are . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K0RGR]

Interesting stuff - if there's any truth to it, the oil companies will have him quietly killed.

It makes you wonder though, about those high-powered radio stations built on the edge of big bodies of saltwater. Are they just waiting for a spark to ignite the saltwater? KSL in Salt Lake needs to check into this!

[KE4YGS]

The thing that catches my attention is that they showed you can put your hand in the beam and nothing happens. #Obviously this is not just a microwave oven magnetron. #I'm still trying to figure what freq he has to be using. #Obviously it is a very low power level not to damage the hand in the beam.

This could be just a trick to throw folks off of experimenting to find how he does it himself however.

Hydrogen production has been demonstrated so many times and those who have sucess are dead soon after. #I have played with it and have made the lawnmower run and a generator but I don't have the guts to try it in my truck yet. #engines are expensive and ceramic mods are too.

They key is to generate hydrogen at the point of use and on demand. #It has been demonstrated more than once and folks, including academia, would rather talk about why it can't be done than listen to how it is being done, so don't expect anything anywhere soon.

Scotty

[KC2ESD]

Salt Water is all around me and my grounding rod is in it too, how come I did not blow my self up to kingdon come already?

[KI4WEJ]

With gas prices where they are I say more power to him!

[WA9SVD]

Cold Fusion and perpetual motion machines come to mind...

[ka0gkt]

It is an interestingTV piece. We looked at it in the Engineering Shop yesterday and the first question we had was whether it took more energy to crack the water than the resulting hydrogen and oxygen would provide by combustion?

If it does, then it is a real breakthrough, if it doesn't, then it is interesting but less than useful.

73 DE KAØGKT/7

--Steve

[vk6zgo]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 17 2007,13:19)]There really are a lot of possibilities for these applications. #The nagging thing about it is, why didn't somebody come up with this sooner??
[QUOTE]

Actually,they have.( as far as the Cancer treatment is concerned)

Google for Dr John Holt, Radiowave Therapy Research Institute,or Tronado machine,& you will find quite a lot of information.

I haven't heard of metal nanoparticles being used, but all of the other stuff has been used by Physicians & researchers for quite a few years

73 VK6ZGO

[W5IEI]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 17 2007,13:19)]There really are a lot of possibilities for these applications. The nagging thing about it is, why didn't somebody come up with this sooner??
The professor did it years ago on Gilligan's island http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[AB1HH]

I have the funny feeling a few people took this video seriously, or are otherwise uninformed about energy issues. I never thought this required a reply, but here goes.

Some comments:
- The reporter said that the guy was a TV station owner. I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts he owns the station that reported this. That reporter works for him.
- All he's done is re-discover eletrolysis of saltwater. The RF had no relevance. And yes, if you burn hydrogen, you get a hot flame.
- Water is an ash; it is not a fuel. You cannot get net energy from water by separating out the hydrogen and burning it. To do so would violate fundamental laws of thermodynamics, and would constitute a perpetual motion machine.
- Further, electrolysis of water is an inefficient means of obtaining hydrogen; much of the input energy simply heats the water. Almost all commercial hydrogen actually comes from combining methane (a hydrocarbon) with steam at high temperature and pressure in the presence of a catalyst. (It also creates CO2 as a product!) So, the "inventor" hasn't demonstrated anything new, useful, or practical.
- Real researchers are looking into ways of making electrolysis more efficient. Also, some researchers are looking at novel means of producing hydrogen, such as biological means, in fact. To say that academics and industry are not pursuing research in these areas is completely incorrect. They are not threatened by big oil; there is no big conspiracy to hide the next source of energy. If you believe that there is, .... that's another debate.
- By the way, hydrogen is not really a "source" of energy, it is a means of transporting energy, much like electric power lines. It takes energy to create that free hydrogen; there are no significant sources of free hydrogen. It has to come from something like water or methane, and that takes energy.
- So, the hydrogen economy that people talk about may make sense (I don't know), but it still does not address the problem of where the energy comes from. It has to come from traditional (coal, gas, oil, nuclear) or renewable (wind, solar, etc.) sources. Hydrogen is simply a replacement for gas and diesel fuels.

You can find this information all over the internet, (try google) and in many books.

[wr8y]

Quote[/b] (k5okc @ July 03 2007,20:33)]After working on this, he discovered that if you put saltwater into the RF, it ignites and burns hot.
Where is my "B.S" flag?

[kb2vxa]

Arabs can burn camel dung so why can't we burn BS? "If BS were electricity you'd be a walking generator." may become a way of life.