Please Don't Help Me While I Die

[wd0ct]

Kansans took a page from the Bush - Neocon compassionate conservative book. What has been called group mentality took over a group of shoppers and they acted in true neocon fashion.

One unidentified witness was quoted on local news saying: "I didn't look that serious and she probably deserved it anyway."

My Webpage (http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=e40fe58a-ff45-480c-b560-fc08a863d57f&t=m10&f=06/64&p=hotvideo_m_edpicks&fg=&GT1=10150)

[NA4BH]

So how is Bush linked to the stabbing? Did they get him on the video? They could go pick him up, his address is pretty much known world-wide.

[ka5piu]

Hello.

I see no BushCo connection.
And, where was the store clerk?
The police and store management allow the store video to be shown, of people who simply are doing their thing.
Perhaps they thought she was drunk? not uncommon.
The fact that the store has a major case of burgler bars and glass partition tells me that this store is in an area of high crime.
I am not the police, so I would have found a payphone to call in as little info as I could, perhaps "A girl is bleeding at XYZ123 address".
At that point I would be gone.
Help? I would assume the perp' was still in view and let the LE types sort that out before taking any risks, but at that point the local medics would be called.
Would I continue shopping? it depends, if I felt it would be better, to not draw attention to me, perhaps, remember the perp' may still be inside the store.
Use of a radio or cellphone would not happen.

[K8MHZ]

I certainly am no bush fan but what has this got to do with bush or neocons?

From the looks of the neighborhood I would hazard to guess that it is far from a republican one. This tragedy has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with the increasing apathy of inner city America.

Get a grip, station.

[KB1KIX]

Me thinks this station has been spending too much time listening to Alex Jones or Coast to Coast AM to make this connection.

Jonathan

[wd0ct]

Kansas is overwhelmingly neocon and they take their distaste for compassion seriously. Bush, Cheney, Brownback, and other neocons are revered in ks. These citizens take their cues from the top.

This link will shed some light on how most kansans think.



My Webpage (http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=17;t=160764)

[wd0ct]

"Would I continue shopping? it depends, if I felt it would be better, to not draw attention to me, perhaps, remember the perp' may still be inside the store.
Use of a radio or cellphone would not happen. "

You would be a good fit in ks.

[NA4BH]

Still waiting.................

[ka5piu]

Quote[/b] (wd0ct @ July 05 2007,20:51)]"Would I continue shopping? it depends, if I felt it would be better, to not draw attention to me, perhaps, remember the perp' may still be inside the store.
Use of a radio or cellphone would not happen. "

You would be a good fit in ks.
Hello.

I would be a good fit in any major city in the US.
In any major city the medics do not roll on this type of incident until given the all clear by the police.
It is not uncommon for the ambulance to show up at a scene and wait for the police to arrive.
Now, if the professionals are doing this there is a reason.
I am simply taking much the same precaution.
Getting myself out of harms way is the priority at that point.
Damsel in distress? call 911.

[kc2orw]

Gee not that the video was great quality but it looked like most of the shoppers in the video were mostly black. Doesn't look much like Bush NeoCons to me. But then the video wasn't that great or high resolution?

[NA4BH]

Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ July 05 2007,21:35)]Quote[/b] (wd0ct @ July 05 2007,20:51)]"Would I continue shopping? it depends, if I felt it would be better, to not draw attention to me, perhaps, remember the perp' may still be inside the store.
Use of a radio or cellphone would not happen. "

You would be a good fit in ks.
Hello.

I would be a good fit in any major city in the US.
In any major city the medics do not roll on this type of incident until given the all clear by the police.
It is not uncommon for the ambulance to show up at a scene and wait for the police to arrive.
Now, if the professionals are doing this there is a reason.
I am simply taking much the same precaution.
Getting myself out of harms way is the priority at that point.
Damsel in distress? call 911.
Also, they would not want to disturb a crime scene. It is a shame that they cannot rush in, rush out and do their job.

[KI4HAS]

Quote[/b] (wd0ct @ July 05 2007,19:53)]Kansans took a page from the Bush - Neocon compassionate conservative book. What has been called group mentality took over a group of shoppers and they acted in true neocon fashion.

One unidentified witness was quoted on local news saying: "I didn't look that serious and she probably deserved it anyway."

My Webpage (http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=e40fe58a-ff45-480c-b560-fc08a863d57f&t=m10&f=06/64&p=hotvideo_m_edpicks&fg=&GT1=10150)
You suffer from BDS.

[KI4HAS]

Quote[/b] (kc2orw @ July 05 2007,21:36)]Gee not that the video was great quality but it looked like most of the shoppers in the video were mostly black. Doesn't look much like Bush NeoCons to me. But then the video wasn't that great or high resolution?
The video looked like it came from the hood. We know the peeps in the hood vote Republican.

[KI4HAS]

Quote[/b] (wd0ct @ July 05 2007,20:48)]This link will shed some light on how most kansans think.
"Thinking"? You should give it a try sometime.

[N5NPO]

I see something missing in this video clip. Everyone seems angry at why no one called for help, but no one seemed angry about the person who stabbed the victim. Where is the perp? Who was the perp? Are they seeking the perp? I hope so. While this incident is tragic, it shows how far out on a limb someone will go to sling mud at bush. If bush or cheney had stabbed the victem, that would be fine, but I doubt that happend. There is plenty to be angry at about the leadership of this country but blaming it on them because Kansas is a red state and the SHEEPLE of Kansas take their orderes from the top down is ridiculous. Give us a break. Besides, it is obvious that all those people who stepped over the woman were Haliburton employees.

Get a life!

[ac4ut]

Wow!
As Frasier would say,"here is wishing you good mental health".

[WF7A]

It was a convenience store; no one helped her because it was, well, inconvenient.

As to the store clerk not calling the police immediately after the woman was stabbed, it could be that she was stabbed in a corner or somewhere not visible from the cash register.

[k6pme]

Quote[/b] (NA4BH @ July 05 2007,21:45)]Also, they would not want to disturb a crime scene. It is a shame that they cannot rush in, rush out and do their job.
Well, actually no... It's not about disturbing a crime scene. In the course of my career I have stomped all over and thoroughly trashed more than one crime scene. NO ONE has ever said a word to me about it other than "what did you see when you arrived?" Saving life always takes precedence over scene evidence.

However, we will hold back and wait for LE if there is a possible threat to responding EMS/fire crews.



As for Oct's original post, I'm still trying to figure out the relationship between A and B. Ok, I'm over it now. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif


*Edited for grammer. (and I may still have it wrong)

[K7JEM]

"Grammar" is spelled without an "e".

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[k6pme]

Well then, there you have it! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KI4WEJ]

You need help!

[kc2orw]

Use Firefox it has a built-in spell checker. It helps me a lot but it won't save me from the infamous there, their, they're and similar issues. But if it did then it would be a grammar checker (might be helpful) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[K8MHZ]

Why didn't the person that took the video call 911?

Listen, I am pretty much a hard core Democrat, an outspoken bush and his puppeteer cheney hater and for the most part hold the republican party in utmost contempt but the fact that people (who by the way there is little or no chance of determining their political stance) didn't call 911 has nothing to do with republicans should be evident to even the most feeble minded.

To suggest that this type of apathy can be blamed on the republican party is not only incorrect but it does a great disservice to my fellow Democrats.

I find republicans to be far from apathetic. #They tend to have a greater turnout rate at the polls and are more likely to participate in public and community services. #I have found that my fellow Democrats tend to spend more time complaining and less if any time actually putting forth any constructive effort to make positive changes.

Granted, these are generalizations. #None of the above however is sufficient for me to jump party lines due to the fact that I do not agree with the republican party's platform by any stretch of the imagination. #Rather, I try to keep things in perspective and participate in the process and do what I can to try to prevent Democrats from making fools out of themselves. #The premise of opening statement of this thread is doing just that, making at least one Democrat look like a fool which I hope is really not true.

[K8MHZ]

Quote[/b] (kc2orw @ July 06 2007,03:09)]Use Firefox it has a built-in spell checker. It helps me a lot but it won't save me from the infamous there, their, they're and similar issues. But if it did then it would be a grammar checker (might be helpful) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Microsloth Word has such a feature. Use the program to create your posts and then copy them to the site. I think it works rather well. I haven't used it for a while but when I did I was quite happy with it.

[KD6NIG]

Quote[/b] (k8mhz @ July 06 2007,08:45)]Why didn't the person that took the video call 911?

Listen, I am pretty much a hard core Democrat, an outspoken bush and his puppeteer cheney hater and for the most part hold the republican party in utmost contempt but the fact that people (who by the way there is little or no chance of determining their political stance) didn't call 911 has nothing to do with republicans should be evident to even the most feeble minded.

To suggest that this type of apathy can be blamed on the republican party is not only incorrect but it does a great disservice to my fellow Democrats.

I find republicans to be far from apathetic. They tend to have a greater turnout rate at the polls and are more likely to participate in public and community services. I have found that my fellow Democrats tend to spend more time complaining and less if any time actually putting forth any constructive effort to make positive changes.

Granted, these are generalizations. None of the above however is sufficient for me to jump party lines due to the fact that I do not agree with the republican party's platform by any stretch of the imagination. Rather, I try to keep things in perspective and participate in the process and do what I can to try to prevent Democrats from making fools out of themselves. The premise of opening statement of this thread is doing just that, making at least one Democrat look like a fool which I hope is really not true.
Because being known as the person who took the video on the internet, and having a high youtube ranking are more important than everything else.

Thats what this world is rapidly becoming-I care about myself and nobody else. Look at the idiots who weave through traffic every morning. They will cut you off and have you slam on your brakes, and just keep going, yakking on their cell phone. I am more important, get out of my way!

In this case it appears it would interfere with someones day to take the 5 minutes out of the day to call 911 and get this stabbing victim some assistance. Nope. Not my problem. Don't want to get involved. Having to stand here and talk to the cops for 15 minutes won't fit into my schedule today. Maybe next week if someone gets stabbed between 1-1:30pm I'll have the time to take help them out.

Sorry to say it, but its true.

[kc2orw]

Quote[/b] (k8mhz @ July 06 2007,03:45)]Why didn't the person that took the video call 911?
Amen to the entire post, not just the remaining quoted content. Conservative myself. The original poster may have been ignorant of the minimal content contained in the supporting link, will leave any assumption open for the moment. That or they were trying to promote more hatred in a world filled with ideologue hatred.

[n2nh]

We here in New York are very sorry that this did not happen here to reinforce the stereotype that New Yorker do this sort of thing everyday.

Of course, we see now that the "Heartland" has no heart. Same people who vote Bush, the same people who will tell you we don't need a national health care program, the same people who keep enabling this war. If 3,500+ dead aren't a problem, what's one more?

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[n2ize]

If you want to read about a classic case of total public apathy go and punch the name "Kitty Genovese" into Google and read about who she was and what happened to her late one night on her way home from work.

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ July 06 2007,12:12)]If you want to read about a classic case of total public apathy go and punch the name "Kitty Genovese" into Google and read about who she was and what happened to her late one night on her way home from work.
Yep. Queens in the 60s. Even today it's a lot like Long Island (land of Joey Buttafuco). OTOH, I have personally been helped here in Brooklyn - even in the 'hood' many times. And returned the favor. Even Manhattan is better. Remember the guy who jumped in the tracks to save a man who fell in?

[K7JEM]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 06 2007,09:11)]Of course, we see now that the "Heartland" has no heart. Same people who vote Bush, the same people who will tell you we don't need a national health care program, the same people who keep enabling this war.
I think the point that people are trying to make is that there is no evidence that any of these people voted for Bush, or support the war. There were a few people in Kansas that did not vote for Bush, as there were a few people in NY that did.

To suggest otherwise puts your credibility in question.

This has nothing to do with political affiliation or who is in power. This has to do with human nature. This has been going on for thousands of years.

Quote[/b] ]Luke 10:30-37 Jesus answered, "A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who both stripped him and beat him, and departed, leaving him half dead. By chance a certain priest was going down that way. When he saw him, he passed by on the other side. In the same way a Levite also, when he came to the place, and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he traveled, came where he was. When he saw him, he was moved with compassion, came to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. He set him on his own animal, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, and gave them to the host, and said to him, ‘Take care of him. Whatever you spend beyond that, I will repay you when I return.’ Now which of these three do you think seemed to be a neighbor to him who fell among the robbers?" He said, "He who showed mercy on him." Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise."

Joe

[kc2orw]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ July 06 2007,04:12)]If you want to read about a classic case of total public apathy go and punch the name "Kitty Genovese" into Google and read about who she was and what happened to her late one night on her way home from work.
I think that similar later events pretty much guaranteed Rudy the election as Mayor of New York City then a very Liberal Democrat city. Still is most ls for the most part the exception being a lot of laws to keep people from doing injury to each other. Does it work well not absolutely is it safer then it had been, yeah some parts other parts?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese

PS: Oops n2nh beat me to the punchline.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 06 2007,09:15)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ July 06 2007,12:12)]If you want to read about a classic case of total public apathy go and punch the name "Kitty Genovese" into Google and read about who she was and what happened to her late one night on her way home from work.
Yep. #Queens in the 60s. #Even today it's a lot like Long Island (land of Joey Buttafuco). # OTOH, I have personally been helped here in Brooklyn - even in the 'hood' many times. #And returned the favor. Even Manhattan is better. #Remember the guy who jumped in the tracks to save a man who fell in?
I've come across some of the most polite and nicest people in what many would consider the worst or roughest neighborhoods.

A person work with lives right across the street from where the Genovese incident took place. Even today that area is extremely peaceful, quiet and more closely resembles a Westchester suburb rather than a NYC neighborhood. Definitely not the kind of place where you'd expect a horrible incident like that to have taken place.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (kc2orw @ July 06 2007,09:29)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ July 06 2007,04:12)]If you want to read about a classic case of total public apathy go and punch the name "Kitty Genovese" into Google and read about who she was and what happened to her late one night on her way home from work.
I think that similar later events pretty much guaranteed Rudy the election as Mayor of New York City then a very Liberal Democrat city. Still is most ls for the most part the exception being a lot of laws to keep people from doing injury to each other. Does it work well not absolutely is it safer then it had been, yeah some parts other parts?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese

PS: Oops n2nh beat me to the punchline.
That Wikipedia story seems to downplay the number of people who heard her screaming, saw her from their windows, and saw Mosely looking for her. It fails to mention the French lady who clearly heard her scream but did not want to get involved and the guy who knew her, she called out to him, but he did #nothing. Many of these people were interviewed by police and it was clear they knew something not very nice was happening, yet didn't call the cops.

Recently there has been a move by some people within the Kew Gardens community to downplay the level of apathy that presided in this incident in order to dispell the stigma of apathy that has been a stain on that community ever since the incident.

Far as NYC and crime go, yeah, crime stats are down but that''s seems to be #true everywhere. There are still some neighborhoods where I wouldn't advise one to go walking around alone at night.

[kc2orw]

I have mostly just commuted to Manhattan and to JFK for the most part. So I haven't experienced all parts of the city too thoroughly...

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 06 2007,09:11)]We here in New York are very sorry that this did not happen here to reinforce the stereotype that New Yorker do this sort of thing everyday. #

Of course, we see now that the "Heartland" has no heart. #Same people who vote Bush, the same people who will tell you we don't need a national health care program, the same people who keep enabling this war. #If 3,500+ dead aren't a problem, what's one more?

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Exactly what I was trying to point out. I figured [wrongly] that zedites would get it.

I thought of calling the post In Kansas, not New York but I thought it wouldn't be fair to New Yorkers.

Of course not being fair to Kansas neocons didn't come into the mix. And of course all neocons inherently understand this.

[K7JEM]

Quote[/b] (wd0ct @ July 06 2007,10:05)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 06 2007,09:11)]We here in New York are very sorry that this did not happen here to reinforce the stereotype that New Yorker do this sort of thing everyday.

Of course, we see now that the "Heartland" has no heart. Same people who vote Bush, the same people who will tell you we don't need a national health care program, the same people who keep enabling this war. If 3,500+ dead aren't a problem, what's one more?

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Exactly what I was trying to point out. I figured [wrongly] that zedites would get it.

I thought of calling the post In Kansas, not New York but I thought it wouldn't be fair to New Yorkers.

Of course not being fair to Kansas neocons didn't come into the mix. And of course all neocons inherently understand this.
I doubt that anyone involved with this situation was a "neocon", there has been no evidence presented to indicate this, other than it occurred in KS.

You are trying to equate the way some state "leaned" in a presidential election as the basis for how they treat victims of violent crimes, and there is no comparison.

That is the problem.

As another poster pointed out, you do a disservice to your "cause" by trying to link two things that have no connection. It makes all the things you say seem suspect, since any person that can think sees that there is no correlation.

This is human nature, pure and simple. Could have occured anywhere in the world.

Joe

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ July 06 2007,12:33)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 06 2007,09:15)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ July 06 2007,12:12)]If you want to read about a classic case of total public apathy go and punch the name "Kitty Genovese" into Google and read about who she was and what happened to her late one night on her way home from work.
Yep. Queens in the 60s. Even today it's a lot like Long Island (land of Joey Buttafuco). OTOH, I have personally been helped here in Brooklyn - even in the 'hood' many times. And returned the favor. Even Manhattan is better. Remember the guy who jumped in the tracks to save a man who fell in?
I've come across some of the most polite and nicest people in what many would consider the worst or roughest neighborhoods.

A person work with lives right across the street from where the Genovese incident took place. Even today that area is extremely peaceful, quiet and more closely resembles a Westchester suburb rather than a NYC neighborhood. Definitely not the kind of place where you'd expect a horrible incident like that to have taken place.
I would not trade the friends I had growing up for anybody. Those I knew in Hell's Kitchen were the best. Same in Harlem. They were better friends than most I've made in the years since and I still remember them and the times we enjoyed all the time.

Were there bad people? Yep. Some were the worst you'd meet. But as in most things where people are concerned, the good always more than made up for the bad.

Right now New York City and especially Brooklyn are undergoing a renaissance. Despite a dismal economy, the crime is down and people can relax and enjoy themselves. Tourism is through the roof.

Bad points. Everything is really expensive. A Movie is $11, and if you buy 2 medium sodas, add $12 to that. A soda and a popcorn is $21. Forget about getting tickets to see the Yanks, Mets, Giants, Jets or Knicks. Most games are sold out within an hour of ticket sales in March. And some seats are over $100 each if you could get them.

But as I posted in the NYC on $9.99 post, there are also a lot of fun, off the beaten path things that are cheap, free or inexpensive.

Do I want to move? Yep. Mainly because I'd like to see things from a different perspective. Also, it's that gypsy blood... gotta keep movin.

OTOH, all those that regularly condemn NYC for this kind of thing, well, we rarely have that happen here. Seems that it's more common elsewhere despite the stereotype.

[w7lpn]

You guys forgot the rules already? If it's bad, It';s Bush's fault, just because! If it's good or makes you "FEEL" all warm & fuzzy inside, the Libs did it! That's that lack of logic & emotional manipulation I told you about, remember? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif I know, I know. There I go with the truth again. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 06 2007,11:14)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ July 06 2007,12:33)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 06 2007,09:15)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ July 06 2007,12:12)]If you want to read about a classic case of total public apathy go and punch the name "Kitty Genovese" into Google and read about who she was and what happened to her late one night on her way home from work.
Yep. #Queens in the 60s. #Even today it's a lot like Long Island (land of Joey Buttafuco). # OTOH, I have personally been helped here in Brooklyn - even in the 'hood' many times. #And returned the favor. Even Manhattan is better. #Remember the guy who jumped in the tracks to save a man who fell in?
I've come across some of the most polite and nicest people in what many would consider the worst or roughest neighborhoods.

A person work with lives right across the street from where the Genovese incident took place. Even today that area is extremely peaceful, quiet and more closely resembles a Westchester suburb rather than a NYC neighborhood. Definitely not the kind of place where you'd expect a horrible incident like that to have taken place.
I would not trade the friends I had growing up for anybody. #Those I knew in Hell's Kitchen were the best. #Same in Harlem. #They were better friends than most I've made in the years since and I still remember them and the times we enjoyed all the time.

Were there bad people? #Yep. #Some were the worst you'd meet. #But as in most things where people are concerned, the good always more than made up for the bad.

Right now New York City and especially Brooklyn are undergoing a renaissance. #Despite a dismal economy, the crime is down and people can relax and enjoy themselves. #Tourism is through the roof.

Bad points. #Everything is really expensive. #A Movie is $11, and if you buy 2 medium sodas, add $12 to that. #A soda and a popcorn is $21. #Forget about getting tickets to see the Yanks, Mets, Giants, Jets or Knicks. #Most games are sold out within an hour of ticket sales in March. #And some seats are over $100 each if you could get them.

But as I posted in the NYC on $9.99 post, there are also a lot of fun, off the beaten path things that are cheap, free or inexpensive.

Do I want to move? #Yep. #Mainly because I'd like to see things from a different perspective. #Also, it's that gypsy blood... gotta keep movin.

OTOH, all those that regularly condemn NYC for this kind of thing, well, we rarely have that happen here. #Seems that it's more common elsewhere despite the stereotype.
The New York City of today is definately changed a lot from the place most of us grew up in and the place our parents and grandparents remember. Crime is down but a lot of the "heart and soul" of many neighborhoods has been cut out and replaced with sterile, trendy, and touristy crud. Some of it is not bad but a lot of it makes me sick when I think of what once was. #But I guess the same is true everywhere. Fortunately there are still many pockets and neighborhoods remants of the REAL NYC tif you know where to look for them.

It's like visiting the Adirondacks. You could go to one side of lake george where it's mainly a tourist theatre or, you can go visit the more rugged and off the beaten trail areas where you can experience the real wilderness outdoors and rugged ways of life that many natives of that area experience regularly.

Far as leaving NYC not me. No Gypsy blood here. I like it here. But I do remember when the Gypsies used to raise money by setting up a "gypsy camp" in Forest Park Queens. They did all the stuff that gypsies do in the movies, palm reading, selling hand made trinkets, metal work, etc.

[ka5s]

Quote[/b] (wd0ct @ July 05 2007,22:53)]One unidentified witness was quoted on local news saying: "I didn't look that serious and she probably deserved it anyway."
I've seen this sort of thing. Once I did a Heimlich on a choking diner while everyone else just stared; another time, I was one of a half dozen or so who got a driver out of a burning car (he'd tried to beat a train at a railway crossing gate).

What of the dozens who sat and watched? I've probably been one of those too.

Pysychlogist say that one is least likely to receive needed help in a crowd, and most likely from a single stranger; wasn't the Good Samaritan of the story a passing traveller?

As for conservatism or iberalism... it is a tenet of current American liberalism to let government take care of problems, and of current American conservatism to make family and friends do it.

Many of us, it seems, compromise with choice C: Nobody.


Cortland
KA5S

[kc2orw]

Well whatever reason not calling the police or even a security guard is pathetic. I know that at this stage in life for me I am definitely less likely to jump a perpetrator. A phone call to say the least is the minimum one could do how about some first aid after the attack. That shouldn't be so hard for anyone Conservative or Liberal.

[ka5piu]

Hello.

I agree, a telephone call, no biggie, just not from within the store.
The next question is, who was making the video? why were they not doing anything?
And, with the Genovese case it is now known that there were but few actual eyewitnesses and none saw enough to conclude that a stabbing had taken place.
2 people did call the police, one thinking it was a simple assault and noted that she did get up.
The fact that in both cases the person involved was a female will limit my actions.
I, as a person, am much more likely to take action if a male is in trouble than a female.
Woman screaming rape in the street and the call will come out as female making noise, perhaps in distress?
Been there, done that.
And this has nothing to do with politics or religion.
I simply do not know if this is a woman screming that to get attention or it is for real and I am not going to find out.
That is what the police are for.

[w4wtf]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 06 2007,11:14)]Bad points. #Everything is really expensive. #A Movie is $11, and if you buy 2 medium sodas, add $12 to that. #A soda and a popcorn is $21. #Forget about getting tickets to see the Yanks, Mets, Giants, Jets or Knicks. #Most games are sold out within an hour of ticket sales in March. #And some seats are over $100 each if you could get them.
Man.

Movie here- $6.50, and we have only one theather in the county so he has a monopoly. Two can see a movie with drinks and popcorn for under $20.

You can rent a decent 2br apartment for $400, a great one for $650.

Before the drive in closed a few years ago it was $10 a carload most nights, $5 on Tuesdays.

Seriously looking at moving? Check out Asheville. Its been billed as the San-Fran of the east, very liberal and should suit you very well...and its always good to have more hams in the area

[k9kxq]

Quote[/b] (w7lpn @ July 06 2007,13:33)]You guys forgot the rules already? #If it's bad, It';s Bush's fault, just because! If it's good or makes you "FEEL" all warm & fuzzy inside, the Libs did it! #That's that lack of logic & emotional manipulation I told you about, remember? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #I know, I know. There I go with the truth again. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
The cult members formerly known as the "republican party" make the rules as they go with no regard to truth, justice and law...

These cult members would not know the truth if it hit them in the face, or they just ignore the true facts.

"Please don't kill me" now drink up, your Kool-Aid is getting watery...

kxq

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Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ July 06 2007,20:18)]Quote[/b] (w7lpn @ July 06 2007,13:33)]You guys forgot the rules already? If it's bad, It';s Bush's fault, just because! If it's good or makes you "FEEL" all warm & fuzzy inside, the Libs did it! That's that lack of logic & emotional manipulation I told you about, remember? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif I know, I know. There I go with the truth again. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
The cult members formerly known as the "republican party" make the rules as they go with no regard to truth, justice and law...

These cult members would not know the truth if it hit them in the face, or they just ignore the true facts.

"Please don't kill me" now drink up, your Kool-Aid is getting watery...

kxq
It's that 28% club inferiority complex. It must be hell to live with their "chosen one" being such a total failure, and an embarrassment to our country. See signature for clarification.

[WA5KRP]

Quote[/b] (wd0ct @ July 05 2007,21:53)]Kansans took a page from the Bush - Neocon compassionate conservative book. What has been called group mentality took over a group of shoppers and they acted in true neocon fashion.

One unidentified witness was quoted on local news saying: "I didn't look that serious and she probably deserved it anyway."

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[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ July 06 2007,16:14)]Hello.

I agree, a telephone call, no biggie, just not from within the store.
The next question is, who was making the video? why were they not doing anything?
And, with the Genovese case it is now known that there were but few actual eyewitnesses and none saw enough to conclude that a stabbing had taken place.
2 people did call the police, one thinking it was a simple assault and noted that she did get up.
The fact that in both cases the person involved was a female will limit my actions.
I, as a person, am much more likely to take action if a male is in trouble than a female.
Woman screaming rape in the street and the call will come out as female making noise, perhaps in distress?
Been there, done that.
And this has nothing to do with politics or religion.
I simply do not know if this is a woman screming that to get attention or it is for real and I am not going to find out.
That is what the police are for.
That makes no sense. If you hear a man screaming for help you'll call the cops but if you hear a woman scream for help you'd ignore it ?? Sounds asinine to me. Why would you help one and not the other ? If I hear someone scream I am either calling the cops or going out there myself preferably armed and regardless of whether it is a man or a woman.

The Genovese case has been rewritten by revisionists who have tried to remove the negative stigma of apathy that has hung over Kew Gardens Queens for the decades since that incident. Yes, she did get back up after the fist attack. Perhaps the level of apathy was not as bad as originally reported. But there were several people who were aware something bad was happening yet did not call the cops either for fear of getting involved or because they figured someone else would. Perhaps in todays world of cell phones such an incident would not have happened. But even back then there was no excuse for why it should have taken as long as it did for the police to be notified that something rotten was going down.

[ka5piu]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ July 06 2007,21:34)]That makes no sense. If you hear a man screaming for help you'll call the cops but if you hear a woman scream for help you'd ignore it ?? Sounds asinine to me. Why would you help one and not the other ? #If I hear someone scream I am either calling the cops or going out there myself preferably armed and regardless of whether it is a man or a woman.
Hello.

That is not what I said.
What was said was that I would call the police in any case, just at a safe distance, by that I mean that I will not get a weapon and jump in.
The other thing, what I am saying by the example is that there is no sure way for me to know if a man and a woman are having an argument or if this is just a lovers spat, unless somebody whips out a gun and starts shooting.
At that point it is a moot issue.
And that is what I ment by the damsel in distress thing.
If one wants to jump in so quickly there is always the police academy.
And, to make this clear, there are people who I will protect with my life but I am there for them.
For anybody else it is 911, after I am sure I and my others are safe.