Finally, a new amateur radio [Archive]

wb6mmj

07-01-2007, 10:00 PM

Quote[/b] (W6GQ @ July 01 2007,14:08)]http://www.rangerusa.com/rci-63ffc2.html
Just Great!
Another C.B. radio made for 10 meters.
Has echo & talk back? Just what we need on our ham bands.
Like I have said so many times, Thanks to the F.C.C. and A.R.R.L. C.B. and Ham radio will be the same someday and that day is coming fast.
It`s too bad.

w8znx

07-01-2007, 10:25 PM

we and they
know
its not a ham rig

read the ad text

offers exceptional value for novice and technician class amateurs

but it only runs am and fm
no ssb no cw
novice and tec ops
can only run ssb or cw on ten meters

see specs

antenna impedance 50 W

w6gq will need one for his four wheel drive
so he can talk to the truckers on 28085 am

Mac

k8pg

07-01-2007, 11:08 PM

JUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

W5HTW

07-01-2007, 11:15 PM

Anyone tell me what "talk back" is? Many years ago working in the phone company, it was the term used to indicate you could hear your own voice in the earpiece. Does this mean in this 10 meter CB that you can hear your own voice in the speaker?

Thanks
Ed

W5IEI

07-01-2007, 11:33 PM

POS!!!!

Welcome to the new no code frontier!

This will save ham radio http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

N3ATS

07-01-2007, 11:35 PM

Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ July 01 2007,18:15)]Anyone tell me what "talk back" is? Many years ago working in the phone company, it was the term used to indicate you could hear your own voice in the earpiece. Does this mean in this 10 meter CB that you can hear your own voice in the speaker?

Thanks
Ed
Yes. How else are you going to know if your echo is set properly? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

WA9SVD

07-01-2007, 11:45 PM

I'm sure it's fitted with all the latest Ham radio luxuries, like echo beep and roger mic... Whatever. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

W5HTW

07-01-2007, 11:52 PM

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ July 01 2007,16:35)]Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ July 01 2007,18:15)]Anyone tell me what "talk back" is? Many years ago working in the phone company, it was the term used to indicate you could hear your own voice in the earpiece. Does this mean in this 10 meter CB that you can hear your own voice in the speaker?

Thanks
Ed
Yes. How else are you going to know if your echo is set properly? :D
Well, at least you'll never get lonely. I kinda thought that was what it meant. You know, most of those guys on CB would be happy with that, without even an antenna, 'cuz all they do is talk. They don't listen. "I got the key down." This talk back thingie should convince them they are being heard, even if they aren't. Good idea. Just work yourself. If you stand pretty far back from the radidio you can call it DX.

I agree, this is gonna save ham radio. We gonna be modididulating and radidioing and talking back and echoing and getting the ears on and pedal to the metal and all kinds of good things. Yup. Thet thar ole new ham radidio do be upon us. We is saved, we is.

Gotta practice getting my fake southern accent back. I wonder if I can do that on CW.

Ed

kq9j

07-02-2007, 12:09 AM

A truly revolting development if I may say so.

W4INF

07-02-2007, 12:11 AM

"Shown at the left is the new "Heavy Duty Chrome Heat Sink" attached to the bottom of the RCI-63FFC2."

That alone should be good for a few extra PEP watts! HI

kc4umo

07-02-2007, 12:12 AM

Leave to Ranger. If they can not sell to a Ham they make it available to CB.

NV5E

07-02-2007, 12:23 AM

If a radio has a channellized display that reads 1 - 40, you can be pretty sure the FCC will consider it an illegal non-certified CB.
Rob
NV5E

WA9SVD

07-02-2007, 12:26 AM

Can we start a pool to see which shop is the first to get busted by the FCC for importing or selling these fine little gems?

It must be a "dual-band" and those are categorically illegal to sell or import for sale, or even advertise. U.S. dealers can't even touch the things legally.

The FCC can't touch the manufacturer because the radios are made overseas, and may even be legal in other countries.

W6GQ

07-02-2007, 12:31 AM

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ July 01 2007,14:53)]Quote[/b] (W6GQ @ July 01 2007,14:08)]http://www.rangerusa.com/rci-63ffc2.html
Troll.
Yes you are

KI4ODO

07-02-2007, 01:09 AM

Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ July 01 2007,16:33)]POS!!!!

Welcome to the new no code frontier!

This will save ham radio http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
I agree it's a hunk of sh*t, but they have been around for a long time, maybe under a different brand. The dead give away is no cw or ssb. The echo and roger beep fit the bill as well. These radios have been around, and been in use for years, nothing new due to a rule change.

n4bfd

07-02-2007, 02:01 AM

Come on guys, if you are going to talk about ham radios, at least lets talk about a REAL one! Well.. for example, like this fine ten meter radio... it has SSB!

http://www.rangerusa.com/ss-3900.html

K9STH

07-02-2007, 02:15 AM

Obviously no one at Ranger has read the FCC regulations. Otherwise they would know that neither the Technician Class nor the Novice Class can run AM or FM on 10 meters!

Glen, K9STH

WA2ZDY

07-02-2007, 02:17 AM

Ham radio has been saved. It's just a shame it's not a ham radio much worth being a part of anymore.

ky5u

07-02-2007, 02:40 AM

Quote[/b] (W6GQ @ July 01 2007,17:31)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ July 01 2007,14:53)]Quote[/b] (W6GQ @ July 01 2007,14:08)]http://www.rangerusa.com/rci-63ffc2.html
Troll.
Yes you are
Don't forget the punctuation Mr. Wizard....

"Yes you are."

W7WV

07-02-2007, 02:46 AM

Does anyone really think Ranger cares?
They are after all in business and they could care less as long as they make money.

wa9cwx

07-02-2007, 02:53 AM

I, I...Don't understand...where is the key jack?

It says nothing about its' built in keyer, DSP filters,
computer interface for digi modes...am I missing something here?

WA9SVD

07-02-2007, 04:11 AM

Quote[/b] (wa9cwx @ July 01 2007,19:53)]I, I...Don't understand...where is the key jack?

It says nothing about its' built in keyer, DSP filters,
computer interface for digi modes...am I missing something here?
You're not missing anything, the RADIO is!

Calling that an "Amateur" Radio is akin to calling a Yugo a "luxury sedan."

It's really an insult by Ranger. But then again, dual band pieces of **** like that may be legal, or at least tolerated in other countries.

KA4DPO

07-02-2007, 01:54 PM

That's got to be a Joke.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

KC9JIQ

07-02-2007, 01:58 PM

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ July 01 2007,19:15)]Obviously no one at Ranger has read the FCC regulations. Otherwise they would know that neither the Technician Class nor the Novice Class can run AM or FM on 10 meters!

Glen, K9STH
Yeah, exactly.....

Rangers 6 meter Rig however is on my get list. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

k4kyv

07-02-2007, 02:08 PM

Quote[/b] ]Frequency Response 300 to 2500 Hz
Love that Space Shuttle audio!

Quote[/b] ]RF Power Output
AM-FM: 100W RMS
AM: 200W PEAK
It must be distorted as hell with all that flat-topping on positive peaks. But that helps give it the "space shuttle" sound.

KI4ODO

07-02-2007, 05:36 PM

So do those still pissing and moaning about the rule change really think that as of February 2007 freebanders and 10 meter pirates just appeared? Before, they had to make their own radios I guess, because this new radio is obviously the result of the recent rule change?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Before that, Ranger and the like never had these types of radios?? That is simply silly. This has been going on for years, radios like this have been around for years. IT IS NOTHING NEW!!!!!

Meanwhile, since I joined SKCC about a month ago, there have been almost 100 new members, many of them new CW ops I'm sure. Ham radio is not going down the tubes, it's gonna be OK.

K0RGR

07-02-2007, 05:53 PM

Ranger used to make an effort to pretend they were legit - this is too much. Techs are limited to J3E or R3E - SSB - on 10, so they have no use for this rig at all !

See part 97.305...

WA9SVD

07-02-2007, 06:29 PM

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ July 02 2007,10:53)]Ranger used to make an effort to pretend they were legit - this is too much. Techs are limited to J3E or R3E - SSB - on 10, so they have no use for this rig at all !

See part 97.305...
Don't forget CW! 28.000-28.500 MHz for Novice and Tech.

KB1KIX

07-02-2007, 06:33 PM

Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ July 01 2007,19:33)]POS!!!!

Welcome to the new no code frontier!

This will save ham radio http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
Has nothing to do with no code.

Look at their catalog - they have offered similar products for a very long time.

However....

The PA feature is neat!

Roger that good buddy!

OK, I was being sarcastic......

Jonathan

WA9SVD

07-02-2007, 06:37 PM

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ July 01 2007,19:15)]Obviously no one at Ranger has read the FCC regulations. Otherwise they would know that neither the Technician Class nor the Novice Class can run AM or FM on 10 meters!

Glen, K9STH
Seems to me nobody at RangerUSA has enough intelligence to read... especially their lawyers.

It's supposed to be illegal to even advertise a dual-band radio for sale in the U.S. If they are the U.S. distributor, they should be busted.
Hope the FCC's OET gets their hands on one real soon now. (And the list just keeps growing, and growing, and growing...)

Then there's false advertising (as Glen points out.)

K4GUN

07-02-2007, 06:49 PM

yeesh... a guy posts a sarcastic topic (which was funny BTW) and a lot of people decide to turn it into no-code bashing time. Some of you guys have a really distroted sense of reality. Its like you enjoy being mad and look for excuses to get ticked off.

The topic is/was a joke about "new amateur radio" equipement. That's it. Take it for was it is and relax.

W5HTW

07-02-2007, 07:01 PM

Quote[/b] (KB1KIX @ July 02 2007,11:33)]Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ July 01 2007,19:33)]POS!!!!

Welcome to the new no code frontier!

This will save ham radio http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
Has nothing to do with no code.

Look at their catalog - they have offered similar products for a very long time.

However....

The PA feature is neat!

Roger that good buddy!

OK, I was being sarcastic......

Jonathan
QSL on that, Roger-four ten. Them thar PA functions is gud fer monitoring them good buddies while you are out there with your flashlight directing traffic, showing your badge, and letting folks see the Mace can on your belt. Real handy, QSL four ten?

Yep, I take it as a joke. And I treat it as a joke.

Ed

n8yx

07-02-2007, 07:27 PM

Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ July 02 2007,12:01)]Yep, I take it as a joke. And I treat it as a joke.
The joke's on us, as most of the POSes will probably end up on 28.085 ... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

W6GQ

07-02-2007, 07:28 PM

Quote[/b] (k4gun @ July 02 2007,11:49)]yeesh... a guy posts a sarcastic topic (which was funny BTW) and a lot of people decide to turn it into no-code bashing time. #Some of you guys have a really distroted sense of reality. #Its like you enjoy being mad and look for excuses to get ticked off.

The topic is/was a joke about "new amateur radio" equipement. #That's it. #Take it for was it is and relax.
AMEN BROTHER!

WA7KKP

07-02-2007, 07:43 PM

Betcha the truck drivers will fall in love with this one.

We'll be watching for them on 28.085 LSB

Gary WA7KKP

KC2GOG

07-02-2007, 07:49 PM

Quote[/b] (W6GQ @ July 01 2007,20:31)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ July 01 2007,14:53)]Quote[/b] (W6GQ @ July 01 2007,14:08)]http://www.rangerusa.com/rci-63ffc2.html
Troll.
Yes you are
I think he was making a reference to yourself OM.

What intent DID you even have with posting this?

you could have posted something about the new Elecraft radio or some of the newer offerings by other companies that market for the actual ham bands outside of 10m.

K8MHZ

07-02-2007, 08:32 PM

I called Ranger and asked for some answers. #Before I go on here is their contact information:

Ranger Communications
401 W 35th St
National City, CA 91950

(619) 426-6440

All I got from the tech there, 'Vic', was that 'talk back' was a monitor so you could hear yourself. #He said that is was useful when trying different microphones. #When I mentioned that things like echos and roger beeps were probably illegal on 10 meters he started playing dumb and said that he only fixed the radios he did not design them. #He asked a supervisor to speak with me and the supervisor would not do so.

It may not be a bad idea to make some calls to Ranger and let whoever answers the phone know that they are under the scrutiny of amateur radio operators and we don't really apprecate them selling stuff like this to hams, especially new hams.

I think we should also be sending our concerns about the company to fccham@fcc.gov

Thank you for your support.

KI4ODO

07-02-2007, 08:57 PM

k8mhz, I really don't think they are marketing this radio to hams. It's like the guys at the flea market selling bongs. They are going to call them water pipes for tobacco use only, but knowing full well they are trying to get stoners to buy them for smoking pot. Same here, they have to call it that so they don't advertize a 200 watt CB inteded to be used illegally by freebanders who have no license to be on 10 meters.

N8CPA

07-02-2007, 09:06 PM

Quote[/b] (wa9cwx @ July 01 2007,22:53)]I, I...Don't understand...where is the key jack?

It says nothing about its' built in keyer, #DSP filters,
computer interface for digi modes...am I missing something here?
It doesn't say anything about how 28.505 equals channel 40 either. Or maybe I just don't understand CB technology--due to mental brass poisoning, or something.

W5HTW

07-02-2007, 09:11 PM

A good many of the people who are on 28.085 have no idea what frequency they are on, or that it is a ham band. To them, it is simply a 'channel number' they select as "extry channels.' Many of them think they have a right to be there, since the radio they bought includes it. Some have never even heard of ham radio, though that is very few. They really think this is another freeband or CB channel and it is theirs to use.

The proliferation of these types of radios will further that concept. If you actually listen there, when the band is open, you will find them complaining about interference to their channels. I know, for I have made them do exactly that, using CW.

Some so called freeband radios don't show a frequency in the display at all. It would be just something like "Channel 43B" or whatever. They have no idea where they are. EVen the ones that do show a frequency display often are misunderstood by the user, who really doesn't know what those numbers mean. Nor does he care.

We can complain about this radio, and similar types, to the FCC, as one avenue. The other is anytime the band is usable, we can be on it. I monitor 28.085 when I have nothing else to do, and if I hear AM signals, I call CQ on CW for a while. But I can't monitor it and be on the air on 20 meters or 17, so I am not able to do a lot of that. But if we get a few hundred hams around the country who can, we can make at least some small dent in this.

Ed

K8MHZ

07-02-2007, 09:25 PM

Quote[/b] (KI4ODO @ July 02 2007,08:57)]k8mhz, I really don't think they are marketing this radio to hams. It's like the guys at the flea market selling bongs. They are going to call them water pipes for tobacco use only, but knowing full well they are trying to get stoners to buy them for smoking pot. Same here, they have to call it that so they don't advertize a 200 watt CB inteded to be used illegally by freebanders who have no license to be on 10 meters.
Oh, I agree.

But look at their home page www.rangerusa.com (http://www.rangerusa.com) and you will see that they have several radios that are obviously marketed to hams for the 10, 12 and 6 meter bands. #Since we obviously are a targeted market I think that expressing our discontent just may help us out a little bit.

It sure won't hurt to try.

KI4ODO

07-02-2007, 09:31 PM

k8mhz,,,, good point. I didn't look at the web site and didn't realize they were doing that. Sad. I hope new hams don't fall for a quick cheap fix to their quest for HF. Most anyone who knows a ham will be warned about such crappy, useless radios.

K3VR

07-02-2007, 09:33 PM

This is a real Ranger (http://www.rigpix.com/efjohnson/ranger.jpg)

KI4ODO

07-02-2007, 09:38 PM

I just went on the website, and clicked on "amateur radios" . Disturbing. For someone just getting started, and doesn't know any better, maybe no elmer, they really could get suckered in by stuff like this. That would be a shame not to mention a huge waste of money. I didn't realize they were pushing "amateur" radios for anything other than freebanders on 10 and 11 meters.

KI4PEQ

07-03-2007, 03:44 AM

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ July 01 2007,15:53)]Quote[/b] (W6GQ @ July 01 2007,14:08)]http://www.rangerusa.com/rci-63ffc2.html
Troll.
That whole ad with pictures looks like it came out of your Photoshop program, AG4YO! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif