Calling DX As A Rare Station

[A71AN]

I been told by so many people that some Ham Operators calling DX station using rare call signs, like for example 5X1, or similar calls and they end with massive pile up, also they do exchange QSL card for this, and they sometimes go through a full deal, with their qsl managers, but in real life they are doing all those calls while they are at home, or some times they do so illegally from those rare countries, I mean without the permissions of the authorities.

If this is by any means true, is there a low to regulate this act?

73

[dj1yfk]

Quote[/b] (a71an @ July 01 2007,11:13)]I been told by so many people that some Ham Operators calling DX station using rare call signs, like for example 5X1, or similar calls and they end with massive pile up, also they do exchange QSL card for this, and they sometimes go through a full deal, with their qsl managers, but in real life they are doing all those calls while they are at home, or some times they do so illegally from those rare countries, I mean without the permissions of the authorities.
It happens now and then, but not very often.

If you operate from a rare country, in which it is known to be difficult to get a legal license, in order to be valid for the DXCC award (and that is probably what most DXpeditions aim at), you have to submit a proof of your license to the DXAC. In some cases, when further doubt exists (for example if the license is valid, but you may have operated from another country), the DXAC might even request further proof, like hotel bills, flight tickets etc.

If the station in question cannot supply those documents, it will not be valid for DXCC, and thus worthless for most hams.

In the past there have been several cases, where people operated stations from rare countries either without a proper license, or even from another country.

This includes Romeo, UB5JRR's fake operations from North Korea as P5RS7 (which were actually from Russia) and Myanmar as XY0RR. Also most of his YA operations are said to be fake.

Also Don Miller, W9WNV was excluded from the DXCC program, because of fake operations.

Some links:
http://www.qsl.at/common/romeo.html
http://hamgallery.com/qsl/country/Myanmar/xy0rr.htm
http://hamgallery.com/qsl/Unverified/r0meo.htm
http://hamgallery.com/qsl/country/NorthKorea/p5rs7.htm
http://hamgallery.com/qsl/Unverified/p7bs2.htm
and so on...

[A71AN]

Quote[/b] (dj1yfk @ July 01 2007,07:27)]Quote[/b] (a71an @ July 01 2007,11:13)]I been told by so many people that some Ham Operators calling DX station using rare call signs, like for example 5X1, or similar calls and they end with massive pile up, also they do exchange QSL card for this, and they sometimes go through a full deal, with their qsl managers, but in real life they are doing all those calls while they are at home, or some times they do so illegally from those rare countries, I mean without the permissions of the authorities.
It happens now and then, but not very often.

If you operate from a rare country, in which it is known to be difficult to get a legal license, in order to be valid for the DXCC award (and that is probably what most DXpeditions aim at), you have to submit a proof of your license to the DXAC. In some cases, when further doubt exists (for example if the license is valid, but you may have operated from another country), the DXAC might even request further proof, like hotel bills, flight tickets etc.

If the station in question cannot supply those documents, it will not be valid for DXCC, and thus worthless for most hams.

In the past there have been several cases, where people operated stations from rare countries either without a proper license, or even from another country.

This includes Romeo, UB5JRR's fake operations from North Korea as P5RS7 (which were actually from Russia) and Myanmar as XY0RR. Also most of his YA operations are said to be fake.

Also Don Miller, W9WNV was excluded from the DXCC program, because of fake operations.

Some links:
http://www.qsl.at/common/romeo.html
http://hamgallery.com/qsl/country/Myanmar/xy0rr.htm
http://hamgallery.com/qsl/Unverified/r0meo.htm
http://hamgallery.com/qsl/country/NorthKorea/p5rs7.htm
http://hamgallery.com/qsl/Unverified/p7bs2.htm
and so on...
Thank you my friend for all of this information’s.


I had a friend from Germany, he operated from my station, using my call sign/his call sign for 2 times during his holiday here, each time around 10 days, he is a full cw operator, that why he went through very massive pile up's.

I never managed to get proper permission for him to use my station, paper work wise, but I been told by the authorities at that time, that he may use my station call/his call.


Although this created a great problem for me and all of my contacts confirmations later on went to his address in Germany, still to me he was enjoying himself and with my and the authority verbal permission.

Yes I also heard a person from Russia using a Japanese inland call sign on 1995, portending that he is operating from there at a time where Japan was not allowing any Russian to operate from there.


Next time I have friend visiting me here in Qatar, I will make sure I get him an official piece of paper to use my station.


Wishing you all of the best my friend


73

[WA3KYY]

In your case, the contacts your friend made from your station using A7/hiscall will probably be acceptable for DXCC purposes even without the offical paper saying his operation was ok. This is because there are active operators such as yourself in Qatar. Does Qatar participate in the CEPT agreement? If yes, then your friend would not actually need a permit other than his license.

Now if he had traveled to a country where there are not any active operators or an unihhabited location such as BS7, then proof of both authority to operate and proof of actually operating from the location would be required for DXCC award purposes.

73,
Mike WA3KYY

[A71AN]

Quote[/b] (WA3KYY @ July 02 2007,12:48)]In your case, the contacts your friend made from your station using A7/hiscall will probably be acceptable for DXCC purposes even without the offical paper saying his operation was ok. #This is because there are active operators such as yourself in Qatar. #Does Qatar participate in the CEPT agreement? #If yes, then your friend would not actually need a permit other than his license.

Now if he had traveled to a country where there are not any active operators or an unihhabited location such as BS7, then proof of both authority to operate and proof of actually operating from the location would be required for DXCC award purposes.

73,
Mike WA3KYY
We have very active operators in Qatar and since a long time, we are also members of all the international radio operations agreements, at the same time we do license countries those do have exchange of lances between us.

I am glad my friend been ok to operate my station as it did mean a lot to him.

Thank you my friend for this remarkable input and hope to accommodate some more friends in the future here.

I wish you and yours all of the best

73