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KC9KXW
06-30-2007, 03:58 PM
Good Day Everyone, I've read a few books and a lot of QST articles.

In the older books and K2TQN's "Old Radio" department and the "75, 50 and 25 Years Ago" department of QST, I notice that they refer to Megacycles "Mc" instead of Megahertz "MHz".

I'm curious as to why the change in the name and when that change came about.

I know that "Hertz" came from #a gentleman I believe from Germany (Heinrich Hertz) if that is correct, but not sure how or why.

I don't expect a direct answer, but maybe a website that would give me some background on the subject. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif #

Thanks and 73
KC9KXW

Edited for misspelled name. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

K3RRR
06-30-2007, 04:14 PM
Tdoes not answer the when question, but does the why....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz

Bob

AB1GA
06-30-2007, 04:20 PM
Every now an then the international standards guys get together and make some changes so they can justify the rich food they eat at working meetings. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I think 1968 was the release of the SI system of units.

I think the change from cps to Hz happened in the late 60's because I vividly remember a QST article making fun of the change.

Rod Newkirk, W9BRD, was writing the "How's DX" column, and he would regularly have a report on the latest DXHPDS (DX Hoggery and Poetry Depreciation Society) meeting. One year there was a bunch of stuff about historians writing about hertzical history, the pain of riding a bihertz, and the pope issuing enhertzicals.

These were my father's QSTs, and he stopped getting them about '68 or '69. At that time the standards boys were busy releasing revised temperature scales and the like, so the timing fits.

Looking at the modern units, it seems the standardizers wanted to name all of the units after famous scientists, thus the changes. Some of the ones I remember:

cycles per second -> Hertz, after Heinrich Hertz
mho -> Siemens, after Werner Siemens
wavenumber -> Kayser

These were direct name changes. At the same time we were encouraged to use Joules instead of calories, Watts instead of horsepower and Pascals instead of psi.

Oddly enough, I don't think they gave the optical units special names.

K9FV
06-30-2007, 04:20 PM
It actually does say "When" - 1960. I guess that's about right, it was in my later high school yrs when I remember the name change....

Ken

N3EF
06-30-2007, 04:28 PM
Near the top of this (http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/Simple_Superhet.html) article, it says 1965. There are some humurous conversion charts around as well. Here's (http://www.eham.net/articles/4323) one over on Eham.

Eric N3EF

KC9KXW
06-30-2007, 04:36 PM
Thanks Guys for the info and Bob thanks for the link.

I didn't realize that the change came about that late "1960", I was thinking somewhere in the 1930's or so.

I had Hertz first name misspelled, but fixed it.

Thanks Guys and 73
KC9KXW

K9FV
06-30-2007, 04:39 PM
I sorta was thinking 1960 was early for the name change, but since it was "written on the internet" I figured I was remembering wrong - the time of 1965 almost seems too late also... Heck if I know when the name change took place, but sometime in the early '60's I do think.

Ken

K7MH
06-30-2007, 04:56 PM
Interesting topic!
I had no significant interest in radio until 1969 and I have always been a "cycles" guy. If I am talking about it, I will use cycles. If I am writing something about it I will use Hertz.

W9GB
06-30-2007, 05:12 PM
When I started reading in late 1960s and early 1970s, only the latest books would use Hertz. #The vast majority used cycles per second (which are actually easier to explain to a Novice or for a begineer to comprehend).

In fact, I think my first FCC exams were all in cycles per second, as well, in early 1970s.

w9gb

AG3Y
06-30-2007, 06:31 PM
To put it very briefly, (and probably echo the Wiki article ) #"Hertz" took the place of the term "cycles per second". #The term "cycles" has always been used, and commonly understood as "cycles PER SECOND", but NOT emphatically stated as such. # Therefore 60 cycle AC could have meant 60 cycles per second, minute, hour, day. . . . you get the idea ! # So they decided to state catagorically that "Hertz" stood for so many cycles PER SECOND ! #

A bit silly, I believe! # But PC anyway ! # #73, Jim

kd5kfl
06-30-2007, 08:50 PM
"WHY" has not been properly addressed.

CPS - cycles per second - makes sense in English, not necessarily so in other languages.

Hz was chosen as a standard that would apply in all languages. Doesn't mean anything until it's explained, then it makes sense everywhere.

WB7DMX
06-30-2007, 10:48 PM
myself thinks a cycle will always be a cycle no matter what name you call it,
its the law of something.

I just don't like changes of anything.
so I am a stuborn old fart.

KB3LIX
06-30-2007, 11:31 PM
I still use cycles.
That is what I grew up with, and too bad, I'm not changing.
No offense to Mr Hertz, but it will always be kilocycles, megacycles etc.
My FCC tests in the early 70's were written in cycles too.

WA9SVD
07-01-2007, 12:21 AM
Megacycles are the big choppers they rode in the movie "Easy Rider."

Megahertz is what you get if you touch the tank circuit of a linear amp while it's operating...

Hertz is the International Standard for the measurement of frequency; frequency being defined as the reciprocal of the time required for a single cycle, anf Hertz is defined as aone cycle per second.

Actually, cycle, kilocycle, and Megacycle are misnomers; as they apply to Amateur Radio, they are only accurate if expressed as cycles per second (c/s or cps) kilocycles per second (kc/s) or Megacycles per second (Mc/s.)
Without specifying the "per second" the terms cycle, kc, or Mc is ambiguous.

In an effort to standardize, Hertz was assigned as the official scientific frequency designator.

the changeover occurred over a period, beginning in the late 60's, I believe.

WA5KRP
07-01-2007, 01:28 AM
I can't bring myself to say, "QSY two KHs down."

KCs are accepted by convention. KHs sound silly.



WA5KRP
Texas

W3GER
07-01-2007, 01:46 AM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ June 30 2007,17:21)]# #Actually, cycle, kilocycle, and Megacycle are misnomers; #as they apply to Amateur Radio, they are only accurate if expressed as cycles per second (c/s or cps) kilocycles per second (kc/s) or Megacycles per second (Mc/s.)
# #Without specifying the "per second" the terms cycle, kc, or Mc is ambiguous.
Amen!

The seasons make one cycle per year.

Daylight makes one cycle per day.

Radio signals make cycles per second.

And so on.

73 de W3GERry

K7MH
07-01-2007, 05:05 AM
Quote[/b] ]Megacycles are the big choppers they rode in the movie "Easy Rider."

Megahertz is what you get if you touch the tank circuit of a linear amp while it's operating...

Actually megahertz is what happens when you fall off the megacycle!!

Shouldn't it be megaHertz since the h is always capitalized in the abbreviation? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

VK2TIL
07-01-2007, 05:25 AM
No, it's written megahertz even though it's named after Hertz. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

But the abbreviated form is written Hz because it's named after a person.

So we write A for ampere, W for watt but g for gram.

And here's an interesting one; it's henrys, not henries.

Here is one set of rules;

http://www.hrsm.sc.edu/jordan....les.pdf (http://www.hrsm.sc.edu/jordan/CMS/Archives/PDF%20format%20for%20the%20CMS%20Packet_2003/No%207%20Metric%20Units%20Guide%20and%20Rules.pdf)

One old expression, delightful if cumbersome, is kilomegacycles; you may encounter it in old books or on old equipment. It may have been the spur to development of the scale of very large multipliers.

Gigahertz doesn't have quite the same ring to it, though. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

This elegant device;

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7212/photo1rc7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

is marked GC; from the period somewhere in-between kmc/s and GHz.

KE4FES
07-01-2007, 08:23 AM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif "Alpha and Omega", the beginning and the end. A "CYCLE", #A RETURN TO AN ORIGINAL STATE. THE ELECTRICAL TERM STANDARD IS BASED ON A 1 SECOND ELASPED TIME FRAME.>>> WE OLDER PEOPLE GREW UP WITH CPS, even "knowing the history of H.R. Hertz". I have ; NO problem with either term use , c.p.s. or Hz. because they are "one and the same". My excuse is I am a professional-- BUT you are not excused .The electrical developement / discoveries are interesting AND educational readings.Your computer is a door to knowledge, OPEN IT !

CHARLIE

WA9SVD
07-01-2007, 02:51 PM
Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ June 30 2007,11:31)]A bit silly, I believe! But PC anyway ! 73, Jim
Not really silly, and not PC; the change occurred LONG before "PC" was, well, PC !

It wasn't silly, because it finally was a standardized, scientifically accurate unit of measurement. (Think how much confusion there is between liters, U.S. gallons, and Imperial gallons, or knots vs. statute miles... and how much EASIER it would be for school students to learn only liters, °C, and OH, yeah, Meters [and centimeters and millimeters] ... Seems it would have saved a certain NASA Mars probe... if everyone were using the same units!) There's plenty of pre-PC precedence; when was the last time you talked over a "81 Inch" repeater? Or used a "fractional inch" oven to heat a cup of coffee? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Hertz is an internationally accepted and defined unit, just like, Liter, Ampere, Meter, Volt, Watt, Farad, and Henry. It had nothing really tro do with being "PC," it was to accept a scientific term instead of a scientifically ambiguous term of "Cycles;" Cycles alone was not scientifically accurate, unless stated as "Cycles per second," which gets even more confusing in foreign languages. HERTZ is recognized regardless of language.

While for some, the change was painful, it was often said "It only Hertz for a little while..."

Resistance (in Megohms) was futile.

KC9KXW
07-01-2007, 03:15 PM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ June 30 2007,08:51)]# #While for some, the change was painful, it was often said "It only Hertz for a little while..."

Resistance (in Megohms) was futile.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

I like that one.

But on a serious note guys, thanks for all of the information.

73 Jim
KC9KXW

WA9SVD
07-01-2007, 03:32 PM
Quote[/b] (W3GER @ June 30 2007,18:46)]
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ June 30 2007,17:21)] Actually, cycle, kilocycle, and Megacycle are misnomers; as they apply to Amateur Radio, they are only accurate if expressed as cycles per second (c/s or cps) kilocycles per second (kc/s) or Megacycles per second (Mc/s.)
Without specifying the "per second" the terms cycle, kc, or Mc is ambiguous.
Amen!

The seasons make one cycle per year.

Daylight makes one cycle per day.

Radio signals make cycles per second.

And so on.

73 de W3GERry
And Ol' Sol does it in about 11 years... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

KA4DPO
07-01-2007, 03:40 PM
I don't recall the term Hertz being universally accepted until sometime in the late 70's or early 80's. Even Government tech pubs from as late as 1977 had Mc and Khz in them.

Not sure why the change since everyone seemed to be quite happy with the older system but I'm sure some character at the FCC got big promotion out of it... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

WA9SVD
07-01-2007, 07:18 PM
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ July 01 2007,08:40)]I don't recall the term Hertz being universally accepted until sometime in the late 70's or early 80's. Even Government tech pubs from as late as 1977 had Mc and Khz in them.

Not sure why the change since everyone seemed to be quite happy with the older system but I'm sure some character at the FCC got big promotion out of it... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Not sure why?

Simple. It's an International Standard. "Cycles" alone is meaningless unless you also specify the time required for a cycle. Otherwise, something could be cycles per minute, per hour, per year...
Hertz is DEFINED as Cycles per second. NO ambiguity. No confusion in different languages. a Hertz is always a Hertz, it's the same in ANY language. A frequency of 10,000,000 Hz is a MHz, one million Hertz, whether the language is English, Spanish, German, French, Yiddish, Farsi, Swahili, Russian, Polish, Swedish, Klingon (not sure about that one) or any other language; there's no translation needed.

WA7KKP
07-01-2007, 07:31 PM
Do any of you remember when capacitors were called condensers? I do.

Gary WA7KKP

KC9KXW
07-01-2007, 09:02 PM
Quote[/b] (WA7KKP @ June 30 2007,13:31)]Do any of you remember when capacitors were called condensers? #I do.

Gary WA7KKP
Well I don't, I'm only going to be 38 years old on this Wednesday.

I think it was a little before my time..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73 Jim
KC9KXW

WA9SVD
07-01-2007, 09:20 PM
Quote[/b] (WA7KKP @ July 01 2007,12:31)]Do any of you remember when capacitors were called condensers? I do.

Gary WA7KKP
They still sell 'em. they're used on old cars! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

WA2ZDY
07-02-2007, 03:02 PM
Quote[/b] (WA7KKP @ July 01 2007,15:31)]Do any of you remember when capacitors were called condensers? #I do.
I know that they were called condensers and when I read the term I automatically know to what it refers.

I've been a ham since 1975 and while I've finally taught myself to use "correct" teminology in writing, in speaking I'll still refer to "KCs," as in "he's listening five kc up." But I believe I remember reading years ago that the official change to Hertz was made in 1964.

KL7AJ
07-02-2007, 03:07 PM
That happened when Mr. Cycle had his name legally changed to Mr. Hertz. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

WA9SVD
07-02-2007, 03:25 PM
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 02 2007,08:07)]That happened when Mr. Cycle had his name legally changed to Mr. Hertz. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Actually, it was when Mr. Cycles-PerSecond decided his name was too long.

KL7AJ
07-02-2007, 03:34 PM
Quote[/b] (WA7KKP @ July 01 2007,12:31)]Do any of you remember when capacitors were called condensers? #I do.

Gary WA7KKP
so does this guy!
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif



LADDER LINE TO ETERNITY

By

Eric P. Nichols, KL7AJ



Oswald Spleenflexer, NE0EN, managed to scoot the ancient organ console to the middle of the floor. It hadn’t been moved in four decades. A veritable archaeological dig was exposed upon relocating the old Wurlitzer.
Spleenflexer sorted through the goldmine of long-forgotten items that had fallen behind the console, buried beneath nearly half a century of dust: two autographed Hugo Gernsback Electrical Experimenter magazines, an official Duncan Mardi Gras yo-yo, an amber plastic pill bottle filled with germanium diodes, several marbles, a hairball, an antique Absinthe spoon, a broken wine glass, a Chocolate Soldier bottle, and a baseball card.
Spleenflexer thumbed through one of the Electrical Experimenter magazines, the pages surprisingly glossy and white for such an ancient tome. A folded piece of brown paper fell from within its pages onto the floor. Spleenflexer retrieved the paper, and unfolded it. A schematic diagram for something was scrawled on the paper, along with handwritten notes. But, most intriguing was the signature on the bottom of the paper, Argyle Spleenflexer, K1ARG. It was Oswald’s grandfather.
Oswald had never met his grandfather; he had died of a strange malady known as “consumption” before he was born. Oswald’s father, Chamberlain, had always spoken reverently of the man, but there were always a few mysteries about him. Unfortunately, Chamberlain had passed away several years ago, so the missing pieces seemed destined to remain missing.
Oswald stared out the living room window thoughtfully for a few moments, and then returned his attention to Grandpa Argyle’s notes. For the most part, the schematic was recognizable, though some of the symbols had changed over the years. His notes spoke of condensers instead of capacitors, and their values were indicated in MMF, for micro-micro-farads. The drawings for the tubes were conspicuously void of envelopes; their elements just seemed to dangle out there in space. There were references to high tension and conductances, and valves and voltaic piles.
Oddly enough, there was no direct indication as to what the device actually was. There was something quaint about the nomenclature, and yet something ominous that Oswald couldn’t quite put his finger on.
Oswald took the paper over to the dining room table, where the light was better, certain that with a bit of concentration, he could decipher the purpose of the circuit, with one of the Electrical Experimenter magazines as a reference.
Grandpa Argyle’s schematic symbols seemed to match the Venerable Mr. Gernsback’s to a T, even down to the curved lower plates of the condensers. There was no question that Grandpa had been a faithful disciple of the Great Hugo.
Oswald squinted at the diagram, and noticed a completely unfamiliar symbol; it didn’t seem to be a resistor, capacitor, tube, or coil. It was a square box with a circle and a lightning bolt inside it. It had three terminals coming from it, the top and the two sides. Oswald thumbed through both antique magazines for clues to the identity of the mystery symbol. It was nowhere to be found.
Likewise, Argyle’s otherwise copious notes made no reference to the odd little component.
Oswald’s imagination switched into high gear. Could it be that Grandpa Argyle had discovered a new electronic component? Could his early death have been the object of foul play? Did Gernsback himself know of his death...or even worse, could he have been responsible? It was all too much to take in!
Oswald closed the magazines, and placed the odd piece of paper into his roll-top desk, strange thoughts flooding his mind.
He turned his attention to the old Wurlitzer organ console. To his shock and horror, the middle C key of the organ was moving up and down on its own, as if being played by a ghost! Oswald felt the blood drain from his head, but not before he recognized the pattern of the organ key’s motion...NE0EN DE K1ARG.

KA4DPO
07-02-2007, 03:55 PM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 01 2007,14:18)]
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ July 01 2007,08:40)]I don't recall the term Hertz being universally accepted until sometime in the late 70's or early 80's. Even Government tech pubs from as late as 1977 had Mc and Khz in them.

Not sure why the change since everyone seemed to be quite happy with the older system but I'm sure some character at the FCC got big promotion out of it... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Not sure why?

Simple. It's an International Standard. "Cycles" alone is meaningless unless you also specify the time required for a cycle. Otherwise, something could be cycles per minute, per hour, per year...
Hertz is DEFINED as Cycles per second. NO ambiguity. No confusion in different languages. a Hertz is always a Hertz, it's the same in ANY language. A frequency of 10,000,000 Hz is a MHz, one million Hertz, whether the language is English, Spanish, German, French, Yiddish, Farsi, Swahili, Russian, Polish, Swedish, Klingon (not sure about that one) or any other language; there's no translation needed.
Right, Mc (Megacycles) meant one million cycles per second. Everyone knew that, Everyone.......

The terms Cps (Cycles Per Second), Kc (Killocycles) and Mc (Megacycles), were used all over the world and were the defacto standard. The use of Hertz in honor of dear old Heinrich became the international standard that replaced the existing international standard of Cycles Per Second. I'm not sure where the Ambiguity is in the term Cycles Per Second, or One Thousand Cycles per Second (Khz) or One Million Cycles per Second (Mc).

VE2NSM
07-02-2007, 04:24 PM
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 02 2007,11:34)]
Quote[/b] (WA7KKP @ July 01 2007,12:31)]Do any of you remember when capacitors were called condensers? I do.

Gary WA7KKP
so does this guy!
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif



LADDER LINE TO ETERNITY

By

Eric P. Nichols, KL7AJ


Oswald Spleenflexer, NE0EN, managed to scoot the ancient organ console to the middle of the floor. It hadn’t been moved in four decades. A veritable archaeological dig was exposed upon relocating the old Wurlitzer.

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He turned his attention to the old Wurlitzer organ console. To his shock and horror, the middle C key of the organ was moving up and down on its own, as if being played by a ghost! Oswald felt the blood drain from his head, but not before he recognized the pattern of the organ key’s motion...NE0EN DE K1ARG.
Please, keep on!

the suspense is killing me!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

AB1GA
07-02-2007, 05:02 PM
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 02 2007,10:34)]He turned his attention to the old Wurlitzer organ console. #To his shock and horror, the middle C key of the organ was moving up and down on its own, as if being played by a ghost! #Oswald felt the blood drain from his head, but not before he recognized the pattern of the organ key’s motion...NE0EN DE K1ARG.
KL7AJ, you are a cruel man...
Post the next installment, already!

BTW, is the lightning bolt symbol fictitious or historic? If historic, could it be the symbol for a rotary spark gap?

VE2NSM
07-02-2007, 05:49 PM
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 02 2007,13:02)]BTW, is the lightning bolt symbol fictitious or historic? If historic, could it be the symbol for a rotary spark gap?
Or the flux capacitor from doc Brown DeLorean's http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

KL7AJ
07-02-2007, 06:28 PM
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 02 2007,10:02)]
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 02 2007,10:34)]He turned his attention to the old Wurlitzer organ console. #To his shock and horror, the middle C key of the organ was moving up and down on its own, as if being played by a ghost! #Oswald felt the blood drain from his head, but not before he recognized the pattern of the organ key’s motion...NE0EN DE K1ARG.
KL7AJ, you are a cruel man...
Post the next installment, already!

BTW, is the lightning bolt symbol fictitious or historic? If historic, could it be the symbol for a rotary spark gap?
My sneak previews are free.

You have to pay for the rest. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

AB1GA
07-02-2007, 06:31 PM
Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ July 02 2007,12:49)]Or the flux capacitor from doc Brown DeLorean's #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Dang! Is that what Doc Brown wrote down? It's been so long since I've seen the film that I forgot the similarity!

We need to mutate the thread again. KL7AJ's story has deteriorated from an entertaining serial with a radio backdrop to a heartless, mercenary shill http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

KL7AJ
07-02-2007, 06:37 PM
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 02 2007,11:31)]
Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ July 02 2007,12:49)]Or the flux capacitor from doc Brown DeLorean's #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Dang! Is that what Doc Brown wrote down? It's been so long since I've seen the film that I forgot the similarity!

We need to mutate the thread again. KL7AJ's story has deteriorated from an entertaining serial with a radio backdrop to a heartless, mercenary shill #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Hey...I need to shill to pay the bill!

However....feel free to add the next chapter....this can be the next interactive QRZ story.


http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

eric

VE2NSM
07-02-2007, 07:13 PM
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 02 2007,14:31)]
Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ July 02 2007,12:49)]Or the flux capacitor from doc Brown DeLorean's http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Dang! Is that what Doc Brown wrote down? It's been so long since I've seen the film that I forgot the similarity!
http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/back-to-the-future/flux-capacitor-schematic.jpg
http://www.glitchnyc.com/images/fluxFull.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1440/flux15as.jpg

Something like this http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

KL7AJ
07-02-2007, 07:24 PM
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 02 2007,10:02)]
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 02 2007,10:34)]He turned his attention to the old Wurlitzer organ console. #To his shock and horror, the middle C key of the organ was moving up and down on its own, as if being played by a ghost! #Oswald felt the blood drain from his head, but not before he recognized the pattern of the organ key’s motion...NE0EN DE K1ARG.
KL7AJ, you are a cruel man...
Post the next installment, already!

BTW, is the lightning bolt symbol fictitious or historic? If historic, could it be the symbol for a rotary spark gap?
But as a consolation prize, I'll post Scene One from my screenplay of Plasma Dreams. #












Scene One

CHARACTERS

Vengeance Toy (Venny): #Blind Chinese CIA agent, assisting Lisa to recover her lost memories.

Lisa Tang (Lisa): #Chinese Plasma Physicist who has lost a good portion of her brain in an automobile accident.

Loretta (Loretta): Suspicious flight attendant.

Mark Rodale (Mark): #Venny’s boss, sponsor, and mentor.

[Ref] Alice-Margrette Leander (A.M.): #Lisa’s best friend and confidante, a powerfully-built Greenlandic Eskimo woman now living in Alaska

[Ref] William Tell St. John (Tell): #Deceased colleague of Lisa’s.

[Ref] Al Webb (Al): #Deceased colleague of Lisa’s.









INT.737 AIRLINER-LATE MORNING

Lisa and Venny enter the empty 737 cabin. #Lisa presses Venny’s backpack into the overhead compartment of the airliner and guides Venny toward her seat.



LISA
I hope you don’t mind sitting by the aisle. #We can swap seats if you want.

VENNY
(Taps Lisa’s rear end with her cane)
Naah, I can shove you out the window faster this way, in case this thing takes a dive.

LISA
(Rolls her eyes)
Thanks; you’re all heart. #There’s an empty seat between us, by the way.

VENNY
(Moves in toward seat)
Ahh. #That would be for my imaginary playmate.
(Cocks her head)
Is it my imagination, or are we the only ones on this plane?

LISA
(Looks around nearly empty cabin)
Does the pilot count?

VENNY
(Rolls her cane between her hands)
Hmmm, that’s not a good sign. Wonder if they know something we don’t?

LISA
(Rolls her sleeve up, looks at her watch, and rolls her sleeve down again)
I think we’re just early. #Chinese people are always early.

VENNY
(Sighs impatiently)
Oh, I suppose so.
(Fumbles around with the literature in the seat-back pouches in front of her)
Don’t they have anything in Braille to read around here? #I’m bored already.

LISA
I guess not. #Should I register a complaint?

VENNY
(Shoves a glossy magazine toward Lisa)
#No, you can just read to me.

LISA
(Laughs mildly)
That’s just a boring airline catalog, Venny.

VENNY
(Puts the catalog back into the pouch)
Well, fortunately, I brought some literature along. #Want to grab my backpack for me?

LISA
(Begins to rise, and then drops back into her seat)
You know, Venny, we could just talk, you know.

VENNY
You’ve been doing that all morning, Lisa. #Tragically enough, that part of your brain seems to be fully intact. #Get me my backpack, please.

LISA
(Sighs and then climbs over Venny’s legs to the aisle, retrieving the backpack. #She closes the compartment door and drops the backpack on the spare seat next to Venny. #She then sits back down in the window seat)

VENNY
Thanks; you’re an angel.
(Removes large green book from backpack and begins reading)

LISA
What in the world are you reading? #A dictionary?

VENNY
(Quickly flips through the pages)
No, Lisa. #Braille just makes for fat books. #It’s called Seeds of Fire. #It’s a collection of writings by Chinese dissidents. #I met a couple of these guys when I was in re-education camp. #Some of them are still there. #Now, if you will excuse me, I’ll immerse myself in my book.

LISA
(Glances silently out the window to her left, for several minutes then reaches over and pokes Venny’s arm)

VENNY
Don’t poke me; I’m reading.
(Flips a page in her book)

LISA
Venny! #Listen, you were right!

VENNY
That’s why they pay me the big bucks. #Go back to bed, Lisa.

LISA
Venny! #I’m serious. #You were right; I’m not retarded. #Listen to me. #Do you think they can surgically remove...well...a really, really small part of your brain? #Like just a few special memories?

VENNY
(Closes her book and stares toward Lisa like she’s lost her mind)
Could you repeat the question? #I think I’m going deaf, too.

LISA
Venny! #Don’t be that way. #I know you heard me. #Do you think they can surgically remove certain memories?

VENNY
Now, how in blazes should I know; do I look like a neurosurgeon?

LISA
You know a lot of different things.
(Trades seats with Venny’s backpack)
Listen. #Don’t you think it’s kind of strange that the only things I can’t remember are right around the time of my accident? #Most people who hurt their brains get amnesia. #They forget everything. #I’ve only forgotten a few things. #But they’re important ones.

VENNY
(Snaps her fingers)
You’re right, Lisa. #It probably goes something like this: #You’re a physicist working on a new bomb for the U.S. government with two male colleagues. #Some evil Russian spies want to steal your secret, so they kidnap you, and torture you, and after they get what they want, they cut out the part of your brain that remembers the whole incident, and then lock you in a refrigerator while they go after your two colleagues. #They call them up at Ionoprobe and invite them to drive in to Fairbanks for lunch, under the guise of a ‘business deal.’ #As our heroes merrily roll along Chena Hot Springs Road, the evil Russians hire a helicopter to drop a bull moose in front of their truck, which kills them instantly. #It is a brilliantly crafted assassination and yet it looks like an accident. #Being nice evil Russians, they really hate to kill cute little Chinese women, but they want you out of their hair forever. #So they take you out of their Frigidaire, drive you clear out to Chena Hot Springs Road, and dump your shivering body in the woods, just a hundred feet from where forty-nine paramedics are working on your dying colleagues. #Then they go home with their new bomb and conquer the world. #Shucks, it happens all the time, Lisa.
(Slaps her forehead in self-disgust)
How silly of me for missing it!

LISA
(Crosses her arms and pouts)
You just made fun of me, didn’t you?

VENNY
Possibly.

LISA
(Sits silently for a few more minutes, observing Venny. #She then reaches over and pokes her again)

VENNY
(Sighs, irritated)
What is it this time?

LISA
Venny. #I just want you to know that I appreciate your doing this for me. #You really didn’t have to, you know.

VENNY
(Flips another page)
M-hmm.

LISA
And, Venny. #I don’t know if anyone has ever pointed this out...but I think you’re a very pretty woman.

VENNY
(Continues reading at a steady pace)
If you’re making a pass at me, I’ll slap your carcass clear back to Shanghai.

LISA
(Shocked)
Venny!! #I do not make passes at women. #I don’t even make them at men. #I was just paying you a compliment!

VENNY
(Closes her book and places it on the empty seat)
I know that, Lisa. #I just feel compelled to give you a hard time. #Thank you; I don’t get many compliments. #Not that I go fishing for them, mind you.
(Cranes her neck, looking around the cabin)
Now where’s the broad with the booze?

LISA
(Taps on Venny’s shoulder)
Um, Venny. #I don’t think they serve drinks on this flight; it’s only forty minutes.

VENNY
Damn, these things have gotten fast, lately! #Last time it was six hours.

LISA
(Rolls her eyes)
We’re stopping in Anchorage, Venny.

VENNY
(Slaps her forehead again)
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. #Glad you’re coming along; I might get lost without you. #I fell asleep on a plane going from Seattle to Anchorage once. #I was supposed to get off in Anchorage and catch a connecting flight to Fairbanks. #I woke up in Japan, instead. #I’d never been to Japan before; if I’d had a passport, I might have enjoyed myself. #Too bad they never let me off the plane.

LISA
(Mutters to herself)
I can’t say I blame them.

VENNY
(Places hands around Lisa’s throat)
I heard that, you smart-assed little twerp! #Take it back!

LISA
(Reaches behind Venny’s neck and inserts her finger into the corner of her mouth, yanking back forcefully, causing Venny to release her hold on her throat with a shriek)

VENNY
“Aaargh! #What in tarnation was THAT?”

LISA
(Giggles innocently)
It was a little trick A.M. taught me. #They do it in their Eskimo games.

VENNY
Holy Schwartzkopf!! #That’s way harsh! #Games?! #Man, you can be proud of that one!

LISA
(Laughs out loud)

VENNY
(Joins in laughter, then dries her eyes)
Know what, Lisa? #I’d like to see you drunk. #Just once, I’d like to see your goody two-shoes face hit the carpet. #What say we both knock back a few once we get out of Anchorage? #It probably helps prevent blood clots in the brain, anyway.

LISA
(Rolls her eyes)
I appreciate your offer, but I can’t even drink cough syrup without getting all woozy. #But if you want to flatten your face on the carpet, I won’t stop you. #I just can’t guarantee you won’t end up in Japan, though.

KL7AJ
07-02-2007, 07:52 PM
Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ July 02 2007,09:24)]
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 02 2007,11:34)]
Quote[/b] (WA7KKP @ July 01 2007,12:31)]Do any of you remember when capacitors were called condensers? #I do.

Gary WA7KKP
so does this guy!
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif



LADDER LINE TO ETERNITY

By

Eric P. Nichols, KL7AJ


Oswald Spleenflexer, NE0EN, managed to scoot the ancient organ console to the middle of the floor. #It hadn’t been moved in four decades. #A veritable archaeological dig was exposed upon relocating the old Wurlitzer.

---------------------snipped-----------------------------------------------------

He turned his attention to the old Wurlitzer organ console. #To his shock and horror, the middle C key of the organ was moving up and down on its own, as if being played by a ghost! #Oswald felt the blood drain from his head, but not before he recognized the pattern of the organ key’s motion...NE0EN DE K1ARG.
Please, keep on!

the suspense is killing me!!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I spose I shall have to expand this to a novel, eh?

KC9KXW
07-02-2007, 08:03 PM
Good Lord, what happened to this thread ?

I never would have imagined my question about "Mc & MHz" would have turned into a "heartless, mercenary shill"..... #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #

OH what "Mr. Hertz" must be thinking, he has to be "rolling over in his grave right about now".....:laugh: #

We are all "DOOMED" I tell ya "DOOMED"..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #?

KL7AJ
07-02-2007, 08:09 PM
Quote[/b] (KC9KXW @ July 02 2007,13:03)]Good Lord, what happened to this thread ?

I never would have imagined my question about "Mc & MHz" would have turned into a "heartless, mercenary shill"..... #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #

OH what "Mr. Hertz" must be thinking, he has to be "rolling over in his grave right about now".....:laugh: ##

We are all "DOOMED" I tell ya "DOOMED"..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #?
What is the meaning of your avatar, anyway? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

KC9JIQ
07-02-2007, 08:11 PM
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 02 2007,11:31)]
Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ July 02 2007,12:49)]Or the flux capacitor from doc Brown DeLorean's http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Dang! Is that what Doc Brown wrote down? It's been so long since I've seen the film that I forgot the similarity!

We need to mutate the thread again. KL7AJ's story has deteriorated from an entertaining serial with a radio backdrop to a heartless, mercenary shill http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
What is the movies title?

KL7AJ
07-02-2007, 08:16 PM
Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ July 02 2007,13:11)]
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 02 2007,11:31)]
Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ July 02 2007,12:49)]Or the flux capacitor from doc Brown DeLorean's #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Dang! Is that what Doc Brown wrote down? It's been so long since I've seen the film that I forgot the similarity!

We need to mutate the thread again. KL7AJ's story has deteriorated from an entertaining serial with a radio backdrop to a heartless, mercenary shill #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
What is the movies title?
Plasma Dreams

KC9KXW
07-02-2007, 08:38 PM
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 01 2007,14:09)]
Quote[/b] (KC9KXW @ July 02 2007,13:03)]Good Lord, what happened to this thread ?

I never would have imagined my question about "Mc & MHz" would have turned into a "heartless, mercenary shill"..... #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #

OH what "Mr. Hertz" must be thinking, he has to be "rolling over in his grave right about now".....:laugh: ##

We are all "DOOMED" I tell ya "DOOMED"..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #?
What is the meaning of your avatar, anyway? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
kl7aj,

Ever heard of Robert Kiyosaki ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

If not, look me up here on the ZED and send me an e-mail..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

73 KC9KXW

KL7AJ
07-02-2007, 09:18 PM
Quote[/b] (KC9KXW @ July 02 2007,13:38)]
Ah yes.....Mystery solved. Thanks!

eric

W1GUH
07-02-2007, 10:06 PM
Quote[/b] (WA7KKP @ June 30 2007,13:31)]Do any of you remember when capacitors were called condensers? #I do.

Gary WA7KKP
Yes, I do to. #In fact, I was thinking about making that a topic on its own. #I'd love to hear about that change. #Don't think it happened with ignition system, tho. #I think you can still the a condenser (or is it condensor) for your distributor. #Except, of course, for those new-fangled "Capacitive Discarge" igintions. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

But this topic is about cycles to Hertz. #My recollection is that it started just around the time of my first ticket...1960. #I hadn't been reading QST very long before I saw nomographs and calculators to convert from cycles to Hertz.

The whys have pretty much been covered.

Now then...(this is semi tongue in cheek) did ANY of you EVER not know what it meant when someone said, "Let's slide down a few kc to get away from the QRM?" #Did you EVER ask, "kc per what, OM?"

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

WB2WIK
07-02-2007, 10:10 PM
Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ July 02 2007,15:06)]"Let's slide down a few kc to get away from the QRM?" #Did you EVER ask, "kc per what, OM?"
That was so funny I almost fell off my motorhertz! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

WA9SVD
07-02-2007, 10:59 PM
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ July 02 2007,08:55)]
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 01 2007,14:18)]
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ July 01 2007,08:40)]I don't recall the term Hertz being universally accepted until sometime in the late 70's or early 80's. Even Government tech pubs from as late as 1977 had Mc and Khz in them.

Not sure why the change since everyone seemed to be quite happy with the older system but I'm sure some character at the FCC got big promotion out of it... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Not sure why?

Simple. It's an International Standard. "Cycles" alone is meaningless unless you also specify the time required for a cycle. Otherwise, something could be cycles per minute, per hour, per year...
Hertz is DEFINED as Cycles per second. NO ambiguity. No confusion in different languages. a Hertz is always a Hertz, it's the same in ANY language. A frequency of 10,000,000 Hz is a MHz, one million Hertz, whether the language is English, Spanish, German, French, Yiddish, Farsi, Swahili, Russian, Polish, Swedish, Klingon (not sure about that one) or any other language; there's no translation needed.
Right, Mc (Megacycles) meant one million cycles per second. Everyone knew that, Everyone.......

The terms Cps (Cycles Per Second), Kc (Killocycles) and Mc (Megacycles), were used all over the world and were the defacto standard. The use of Hertz in honor of dear old Heinrich became the international standard that replaced the existing international standard of Cycles Per Second. I'm not sure where the Ambiguity is in the term Cycles Per Second, or One Thousand Cycles per Second (Khz) or One Million Cycles per Second (Mc).

I think you made that stuff up and don't really know what your talking about..
DPO:

With all due respect, you obviously know nothing about science, scientific accuracy, engineering accuracy or standards, or International Standards.

GOOGLE "frequency" to your heart's content: EVERYWHERE it's defined as "cycles PER SECOND," NOT "cycles." And Hertz is the International standard that is universally (at least on this planet) accepted as cycles per second.
Pick up an engineering, physics, or other scientific book, and you will see "Hertz" or "cycles per second," NOT merely "cycles." Scientific ACCURACY and standardization was the reason. A "cycle" is meaningless in terms of frequency unless a timeframe is specified.

WEBSTER: "a period of time in which events happen in a certain order..."

A PERIOD OF TIME. THAT is what was missing with the old "kilocycle and Megacycle" nomenclature.

But of course, scientific or engineering accuracy isn't important to Amateurs. Nor are International standards.

WA9SVD
07-02-2007, 11:37 PM
Quote[/b] (KC9KXW @ June 30 2007,08:58)]Good Day Everyone, I've read a few books and a lot of QST articles.

In the older books and K2TQN's "Old Radio" department and the "75, 50 and 25 Years Ago" department of QST, I notice that they refer to Megacycles "Mc" instead of Megahertz "MHz".

I'm curious as to why the change in the name and when that change came about.
I'm afraid the "change" occurred pre-Internet, so many of the "discussions," pro and con, are lost to history or libraries' dusty shelves...

The change was over a period of time, and as some sources indicate, painful. (Some seem to not have gotten over the trauma to this day. "Shell Shock," "walking wounded," and "Post Traumatic Syndrome" seem to be terms applied in various eras.) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif


As an example, in the 1971 ARRL Handbook, there is a mix in sections and "featured projects" there is a mix of Mc and MHz. A good deal of the opening chapters on basic theory still refer to Mcs, presumably because they were copied (reasonably and legally so) from previous editions of the Handbook, but the introduction DOES define frequency in terms of "Cycles per second" or Hertz, not merely "cycles."

Unfortunately, I don't have the QST's from that era (60's - 70's) any more; that was three geographical moves ago, and all but a few important construction project articles have found their way into the recycled paper system, perhaps living on as another issue of QST.
Perhaps someone who has the QST archive on CD will search for some more detailed articles about the change. (Seems to me it was MUCH worse than the gradual change from AM to SSB; more on the scale of the pain and suffering induced by the elimination of Morse testing.)

KA4DPO
07-03-2007, 12:01 AM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 02 2007,17:59)]
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ July 02 2007,08:55)]
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 01 2007,14:18)]
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ July 01 2007,08:40)]I don't recall the term Hertz being universally accepted until sometime in the late 70's or early 80's. Even Government tech pubs from as late as 1977 had Mc and Khz in them.

Not sure why the change since everyone seemed to be quite happy with the older system but I'm sure some character at the FCC got big promotion out of it... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Not sure why?

Simple. It's an International Standard. "Cycles" alone is meaningless unless you also specify the time required for a cycle. Otherwise, something could be cycles per minute, per hour, per year...
Hertz is DEFINED as Cycles per second. NO ambiguity. No confusion in different languages. a Hertz is always a Hertz, it's the same in ANY language. A frequency of 10,000,000 Hz is a MHz, one million Hertz, whether the language is English, Spanish, German, French, Yiddish, Farsi, Swahili, Russian, Polish, Swedish, Klingon (not sure about that one) or any other language; there's no translation needed.
Right, Mc (Megacycles) meant one million cycles per second. Everyone knew that, Everyone.......

The terms Cps (Cycles Per Second), Kc (Killocycles) and Mc (Megacycles), were used all over the world and were the defacto standard. The use of Hertz in honor of dear old Heinrich became the international standard that replaced the existing international standard of Cycles Per Second. I'm not sure where the Ambiguity is in the term Cycles Per Second, or One Thousand Cycles per Second (Khz) or One Million Cycles per Second (Mc).

..
DPO:

With all due respect, you obviously know nothing about science, scientific accuracy, engineering accuracy or standards, or International Standards.

GOOGLE "frequency" to your heart's content: EVERYWHERE it's defined as "cycles PER SECOND," NOT "cycles." And Hertz is the International standard that is universally (at least on this planet) accepted as cycles per second.
Pick up an engineering, physics, or other scientific book, and you will see "Hertz" or "cycles per second," NOT merely "cycles." Scientific ACCURACY and standardization was the reason. A "cycle" is meaningless in terms of frequency unless a timeframe is specified.

WEBSTER: "a period of time in which events happen in a certain order..."

A PERIOD OF TIME. THAT is what was missing with the old "kilocycle and Megacycle" nomenclature.

But of course, scientific or engineering accuracy isn't important to Amateurs. Nor are International standards.
SVD, with all due respect I got my EE from Florida State University in 1980 and the shift was on from Cycles Per Second to Hertz Per Second. Notice I said Hertz Per Second. That's because without something to tell you what the period is it's as meaningless as Cycles. That's why frequency is specified as Khz and Mhz and not buches of Hertz.

By the way, many of my text books, including Fields and Waves and Amorphous and Liquid Semiconductor technology still refered to frequency in Cycles Per Second ie, Kc and Mc. Now just admit that you really don't have the slightest clue as to why the change was made.

The truth is that the change was made by agreement with the IEEE to honor Heinrich Hertz for his contibution to physics.

By the way and I'm using a great deal of restraint in answering you, I don't recall ever saying anything about using Cycles alone as a unit of measure for for frequency, perhaps you should go back and read my post more carefully. A cycle coul be running your dishwasher once.

WA9SVD
07-03-2007, 12:25 AM
DPO

With all due resprect (and this is getting pretty thin,)

Hertz as an International standard Unit of frequency is DEFINED as "CYCLES PER SECOND."

There is NO unit of "Hertz per second." Unlkess you are referring to an "increase in frequency" which would be the equivalent of "cycles per second per second...) (THINK, man.)

You are now making a completely ridiculous statement. Perhaps you don't understand International Standards. Look up the definition of Hertz as a unit of frequency ANYWHERE. ANY engineering book. ANY.

If that's what you learned (or heaven forbid, were actually taught) ...
Where's the accreditation organization for your fine institution of higher learning. They need to know about this.

KC9KXW
07-03-2007, 01:05 AM
Well I just "Googled" "definition of Hertz", and had 1,460,000 hits.

The few that I looked at had pretty much the same definition as below.

hertz (hűrts)
n., pl. hertz. (Abbr. Hz)
A unit of frequency equal to one cycle per second.

[After Heinrich Rudolf HERTZ.]

Hope I didn't step on any toes..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

73
KC9KXW

WA9SVD
07-03-2007, 01:20 AM
Quote[/b] (KC9KXW @ July 02 2007,18:05)]Well I just "Googled" "definition of Hertz", and had 1,460,000 hits.

The few that I looked at had pretty much the same definition as below.

hertz (hűrts)
n., pl. hertz. (Abbr. Hz)
A unit of frequency equal to one cycle per second.

[After Heinrich Rudolf HERTZ.]

Hope I didn't step on any toes..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

73
KC9KXW
No problem.
To coin a fraze, "You ain't gonna find no ref'rents to Hurts per second for freak-wents-eee."

Hertz as a Standard as of frequency measurement is defined as cycles per second. Adding the "per second" would be redundant, superfluous, and again, inaccurate. THAT's a major reason Hz replaced CPS or C/s: the "per second" was unnecessary at a fundamental level. And THAT is the International standard and definition, the FCC standard, and the NIST (nee NBS) standard and definition.

KC9KXW
07-03-2007, 01:23 AM
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 01 2007,15:18)]

Ah yes.....Mystery solved. #Thanks!

eric
kl7aj,

Glad to be of help to you.

"Anytime" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73
KC9KXW

WA9SVD
07-03-2007, 01:33 AM
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 02 2007,11:31)]
Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ July 02 2007,12:49)]Or the flux capacitor from doc Brown DeLorean's http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Dang! Is that what Doc Brown wrote down? It's been so long since I've seen the film that I forgot the similarity!

We need to mutate the thread again. KL7AJ's story has deteriorated from an entertaining serial with a radio backdrop to a heartless, mercenary shill http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Oh goodie goodie! I just LOVE heartless, mercinary shills! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif (And I certainly expect nothing less from Eric. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif <teasing, Eric!>)

But I'm STILL looking for the construction details for a flux capacitor big enough to transport a '68 VW beetle, much less a DeLorean.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

WA9SVD
07-03-2007, 01:40 AM
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 02 2007,12:24)]
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 02 2007,10:02)]
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 02 2007,10:34)]He turned his attention to the old Wurlitzer organ console. To his shock and horror, the middle C key of the organ was moving up and down on its own, as if being played by a ghost! Oswald felt the blood drain from his head, but not before he recognized the pattern of the organ key’s motion...NE0EN DE K1ARG.
KL7AJ, you are a cruel man...
Post the next installment, already!

BTW, is the lightning bolt symbol fictitious or historic? If historic, could it be the symbol for a rotary spark gap?
But as a consolation prize, I'll post Scene One from my screenplay of Plasma Dreams.












Scene One

CHARACTERS

Vengeance Toy (Venny): Blind Chinese CIA agent, assisting Lisa to recover her lost memories.

Lisa Tang (Lisa): Chinese Plasma Physicist who has lost a good portion of her brain in an automobile accident.

Loretta (Loretta): Suspicious flight attendant.

Mark Rodale (Mark): Venny’s boss, sponsor, and mentor.

[Ref] Alice-Margrette Leander (A.M.): Lisa’s best friend and confidante, a powerfully-built Greenlandic Eskimo woman now living in Alaska

[Ref] William Tell St. John (Tell): Deceased colleague of Lisa’s.

[Ref] Al Webb (Al): Deceased colleague of Lisa’s.









INT.737 AIRLINER-LATE MORNING

Lisa and Venny enter the empty 737 cabin. Lisa presses Venny’s backpack into the overhead compartment of the airliner and guides Venny toward her seat.



LISA
I hope you don’t mind sitting by the aisle. We can swap seats if you want.

VENNY
(Taps Lisa’s rear end with her cane)
Naah, I can shove you out the window faster this way, in case this thing takes a dive.

LISA
(Rolls her eyes)
Thanks; you’re all heart. There’s an empty seat between us, by the way.

VENNY
(Moves in toward seat)
Ahh. That would be for my imaginary playmate.
(Cocks her head)
Is it my imagination, or are we the only ones on this plane?

LISA
(Looks around nearly empty cabin)
Does the pilot count?

VENNY
(Rolls her cane between her hands)
Hmmm, that’s not a good sign. Wonder if they know something we don’t?

LISA
(Rolls her sleeve up, looks at her watch, and rolls her sleeve down again)
I think we’re just early. Chinese people are always early.

VENNY
(Sighs impatiently)
Oh, I suppose so.
(Fumbles around with the literature in the seat-back pouches in front of her)
Don’t they have anything in Braille to read around here? I’m bored already.

LISA
I guess not. Should I register a complaint?

VENNY
(Shoves a glossy magazine toward Lisa)
No, you can just read to me.

LISA
(Laughs mildly)
That’s just a boring airline catalog, Venny.

VENNY
(Puts the catalog back into the pouch)
Well, fortunately, I brought some literature along. Want to grab my backpack for me?

LISA
(Begins to rise, and then drops back into her seat)
You know, Venny, we could just talk, you know.

VENNY
You’ve been doing that all morning, Lisa. Tragically enough, that part of your brain seems to be fully intact. Get me my backpack, please.

LISA
(Sighs and then climbs over Venny’s legs to the aisle, retrieving the backpack. She closes the compartment door and drops the backpack on the spare seat next to Venny. She then sits back down in the window seat)

VENNY
Thanks; you’re an angel.
(Removes large green book from backpack and begins reading)

LISA
What in the world are you reading? A dictionary?

VENNY
(Quickly flips through the pages)
No, Lisa. Braille just makes for fat books. It’s called Seeds of Fire. It’s a collection of writings by Chinese dissidents. I met a couple of these guys when I was in re-education camp. Some of them are still there. Now, if you will excuse me, I’ll immerse myself in my book.

LISA
(Glances silently out the window to her left, for several minutes then reaches over and pokes Venny’s arm)

VENNY
Don’t poke me; I’m reading.
(Flips a page in her book)

LISA
Venny! Listen, you were right!

VENNY
That’s why they pay me the big bucks. Go back to bed, Lisa.

LISA
Venny! I’m serious. You were right; I’m not retarded. Listen to me. Do you think they can surgically remove...well...a really, really small part of your brain? Like just a few special memories?

VENNY
(Closes her book and stares toward Lisa like she’s lost her mind)
Could you repeat the question? I think I’m going deaf, too.

LISA
Venny! Don’t be that way. I know you heard me. Do you think they can surgically remove certain memories?

VENNY
Now, how in blazes should I know; do I look like a neurosurgeon?

LISA
You know a lot of different things.
(Trades seats with Venny’s backpack)
Listen. Don’t you think it’s kind of strange that the only things I can’t remember are right around the time of my accident? Most people who hurt their brains get amnesia. They forget everything. I’ve only forgotten a few things. But they’re important ones.

VENNY
(Snaps her fingers)
You’re right, Lisa. It probably goes something like this: You’re a physicist working on a new bomb for the U.S. government with two male colleagues. Some evil Russian spies want to steal your secret, so they kidnap you, and torture you, and after they get what they want, they cut out the part of your brain that remembers the whole incident, and then lock you in a refrigerator while they go after your two colleagues. They call them up at Ionoprobe and invite them to drive in to Fairbanks for lunch, under the guise of a ‘business deal.’ As our heroes merrily roll along Chena Hot Springs Road, the evil Russians hire a helicopter to drop a bull moose in front of their truck, which kills them instantly. It is a brilliantly crafted assassination and yet it looks like an accident. Being nice evil Russians, they really hate to kill cute little Chinese women, but they want you out of their hair forever. So they take you out of their Frigidaire, drive you clear out to Chena Hot Springs Road, and dump your shivering body in the woods, just a hundred feet from where forty-nine paramedics are working on your dying colleagues. Then they go home with their new bomb and conquer the world. Shucks, it happens all the time, Lisa.
(Slaps her forehead in self-disgust)
How silly of me for missing it!

LISA
(Crosses her arms and pouts)
You just made fun of me, didn’t you?

VENNY
Possibly.

LISA
(Sits silently for a few more minutes, observing Venny. She then reaches over and pokes her again)

VENNY
(Sighs, irritated)
What is it this time?

LISA
Venny. I just want you to know that I appreciate your doing this for me. You really didn’t have to, you know.

VENNY
(Flips another page)
M-hmm.

LISA
And, Venny. I don’t know if anyone has ever pointed this out...but I think you’re a very pretty woman.

VENNY
(Continues reading at a steady pace)
If you’re making a pass at me, I’ll slap your carcass clear back to Shanghai.

LISA
(Shocked)
Venny!! I do not make passes at women. I don’t even make them at men. I was just paying you a compliment!

VENNY
(Closes her book and places it on the empty seat)
I know that, Lisa. I just feel compelled to give you a hard time. Thank you; I don’t get many compliments. Not that I go fishing for them, mind you.
(Cranes her neck, looking around the cabin)
Now where’s the broad with the booze?

LISA
(Taps on Venny’s shoulder)
Um, Venny. I don’t think they serve drinks on this flight; it’s only forty minutes.

VENNY
Damn, these things have gotten fast, lately! Last time it was six hours.

LISA
(Rolls her eyes)
We’re stopping in Anchorage, Venny.

VENNY
(Slaps her forehead again)
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Glad you’re coming along; I might get lost without you. I fell asleep on a plane going from Seattle to Anchorage once. I was supposed to get off in Anchorage and catch a connecting flight to Fairbanks. I woke up in Japan, instead. I’d never been to Japan before; if I’d had a passport, I might have enjoyed myself. Too bad they never let me off the plane.

LISA
(Mutters to herself)
I can’t say I blame them.

VENNY
(Places hands around Lisa’s throat)
I heard that, you smart-assed little twerp! Take it back!

LISA
(Reaches behind Venny’s neck and inserts her finger into the corner of her mouth, yanking back forcefully, causing Venny to release her hold on her throat with a shriek)

VENNY
“Aaargh! What in tarnation was THAT?”

LISA
(Giggles innocently)
It was a little trick A.M. taught me. They do it in their Eskimo games.

VENNY
Holy Schwartzkopf!! That’s way harsh! Games?! Man, you can be proud of that one!

LISA
(Laughs out loud)

VENNY
(Joins in laughter, then dries her eyes)
Know what, Lisa? I’d like to see you drunk. Just once, I’d like to see your goody two-shoes face hit the carpet. What say we both knock back a few once we get out of Anchorage? It probably helps prevent blood clots in the brain, anyway.

LISA
(Rolls her eyes)
I appreciate your offer, but I can’t even drink cough syrup without getting all woozy. But if you want to flatten your face on the carpet, I won’t stop you. I just can’t guarantee you won’t end up in Japan, though.
I'm already envisioning nightmares...

OK, seriously, IS this from a published book, or something from the "land of the rising sunspot cycle?"

And if so, when/where /how/why was it published?

KA4DPO
07-03-2007, 03:49 AM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 02 2007,20:20)]
Quote[/b] (KC9KXW @ July 02 2007,18:05)]Well I just "Googled" "definition of Hertz", and had 1,460,000 hits.

The few that I looked at had pretty much the same definition as below.

hertz (hűrts)
n., pl. hertz. (Abbr. Hz)
A unit of frequency equal to one cycle per second.

[After Heinrich Rudolf HERTZ.]

Hope I didn't step on any toes..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #

73
KC9KXW
No problem. #
# #To coin a fraze, "You ain't gonna find no ref'rents to #Hurts per second for freak-wents-eee."

# #Hertz as a Standard as of frequency measurement is defined as cycles per second. # Adding the "per second" would be redundant, superfluous, and again, inaccurate. #THAT's a major reason Hz replaced CPS or C/s: #the "per second" was unnecessary at a fundamental level. #And THAT is the International standard and definition, the FCC standard, and the NIST (nee NBS) standard and definition.
I no longer have any use for you.

WA9SVD
07-03-2007, 05:41 AM
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ July 02 2007,20:49)]
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 02 2007,20:20)]
Quote[/b] (KC9KXW @ July 02 2007,18:05)]Well I just "Googled" "definition of Hertz", and had 1,460,000 hits.

The few that I looked at had pretty much the same definition as below.

hertz (hűrts)
n., pl. hertz. (Abbr. Hz)
A unit of frequency equal to one cycle per second.

[After Heinrich Rudolf HERTZ.]

Hope I didn't step on any toes..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

73
KC9KXW
No problem.
To coin a fraze, "You ain't gonna find no ref'rents to Hurts per second for freak-wents-eee."

Hertz as a Standard as of frequency measurement is defined as cycles per second. Adding the "per second" would be redundant, superfluous, and again, inaccurate. THAT's a major reason Hz replaced CPS or C/s: the "per second" was unnecessary at a fundamental level. And THAT is the International standard and definition, the FCC standard, and the NIST (nee NBS) standard and definition.
I no longer have any use for you.
Guess you can't back up your assertations.

K8MHZ
07-03-2007, 02:11 PM
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ June 30 2007,04:20)]Every now an then the international standards guys get together and make some changes so they can justify the rich food they eat at working meetings. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I think 1968 was the release of the SI system of units.

I think the change from cps to Hz happened in the late 60's because I vividly remember a QST article making fun of the change.

Rod Newkirk, W9BRD, was writing the "How's DX" column, and he would regularly have a report on the latest DXHPDS (DX Hoggery and Poetry Depreciation Society) meeting. One year there was a bunch of stuff about historians writing about hertzical history, the pain of riding a bihertz, and the pope issuing enhertzicals.

These were my father's QSTs, and he stopped getting them about '68 or '69. At that time the standards boys were busy releasing revised temperature scales and the like, so the timing fits.

Looking at the modern units, it seems the standardizers wanted to name all of the units after famous scientists, thus the changes. Some of the ones I remember:

cycles per second -> Hertz, after Heinrich Hertz
mho # # # # # # # # # #-> Siemens, after Werner Siemens
wavenumber # # # #-> Kayser

These were direct name changes. At the same time we were encouraged to use Joules instead of calories, Watts instead of horsepower and Pascals instead of psi.

Oddly enough, I don't think they gave the optical units special names.
As for the optical units, do 'diopters' count?

N2CFJ
07-03-2007, 02:43 PM
Prior posts indicated that we hams do not care about proper labeling and therefore the "erroneous" reference to kilo cycles, (omitting the per second), was replaced by the more accurate Hz. I would think that every ham in 1960 who referred to kc knew that he meant "kilocycles per second" and did not need a new "more accurate" term. If I were to be asked "What is the speed limit on I-80?" I would reply 55. Since miles per hour is the standard measurement of highway speed in the US, both parties would know the proper label.

I guess that is why centegrade became Celcius, because we were sloppy in not specifying that we were talking about hundreths of the difference in heat energy between water freezing and boiling at sea level. You would also have to specify the barometric pressure standard at that sea level, but I won't go there.

KL7AJ
07-03-2007, 02:51 PM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 02 2007,18:40)]
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 02 2007,12:24)]
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 02 2007,10:02)]
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 02 2007,10:34)]He turned his attention to the old Wurlitzer organ console. #To his shock and horror, the middle C key of the organ was moving up and down on its own, as if being played by a ghost! #Oswald felt the blood drain from his head, but not before he recognized the pattern of the organ key’s motion...NE0EN DE K1ARG.
KL7AJ, you are a cruel man...
Post the next installment, already!

BTW, is the lightning bolt symbol fictitious or historic? If historic, could it be the symbol for a rotary spark gap?
But as a consolation prize, I'll post Scene One from my screenplay of Plasma Dreams. #












Scene One

CHARACTERS

Vengeance Toy (Venny): #Blind Chinese CIA agent, assisting Lisa to recover her lost memories.

Lisa Tang (Lisa): #Chinese Plasma Physicist who has lost a good portion of her brain in an automobile accident.

Loretta (Loretta): Suspicious flight attendant.

Mark Rodale (Mark): #Venny’s boss, sponsor, and mentor.

[Ref] Alice-Margrette Leander (A.M.): #Lisa’s best friend and confidante, a powerfully-built Greenlandic Eskimo woman now living in Alaska

[Ref] William Tell St. John (Tell): #Deceased colleague of Lisa’s.

[Ref] Al Webb (Al): #Deceased colleague of Lisa’s.









INT.737 AIRLINER-LATE MORNING

Lisa and Venny enter the empty 737 cabin. #Lisa presses Venny’s backpack into the overhead compartment of the airliner and guides Venny toward her seat.



LISA
I hope you don’t mind sitting by the aisle. #We can swap seats if you want.

VENNY
(Taps Lisa’s rear end with her cane)
Naah, I can shove you out the window faster this way, in case this thing takes a dive.

LISA
(Rolls her eyes)
Thanks; you’re all heart. #There’s an empty seat between us, by the way.

VENNY
(Moves in toward seat)
Ahh. #That would be for my imaginary playmate.
(Cocks her head)
Is it my imagination, or are we the only ones on this plane?

LISA
(Looks around nearly empty cabin)
Does the pilot count?

VENNY
(Rolls her cane between her hands)
Hmmm, that’s not a good sign. Wonder if they know something we don’t?

LISA
(Rolls her sleeve up, looks at her watch, and rolls her sleeve down again)
I think we’re just early. #Chinese people are always early.

VENNY
(Sighs impatiently)
Oh, I suppose so.
(Fumbles around with the literature in the seat-back pouches in front of her)
Don’t they have anything in Braille to read around here? #I’m bored already.

LISA
I guess not. #Should I register a complaint?

VENNY
(Shoves a glossy magazine toward Lisa)
#No, you can just read to me.

LISA
(Laughs mildly)
That’s just a boring airline catalog, Venny.

VENNY
(Puts the catalog back into the pouch)
Well, fortunately, I brought some literature along. #Want to grab my backpack for me?

LISA
(Begins to rise, and then drops back into her seat)
You know, Venny, we could just talk, you know.

VENNY
You’ve been doing that all morning, Lisa. #Tragically enough, that part of your brain seems to be fully intact. #Get me my backpack, please.

LISA
(Sighs and then climbs over Venny’s legs to the aisle, retrieving the backpack. #She closes the compartment door and drops the backpack on the spare seat next to Venny. #She then sits back down in the window seat)

VENNY
Thanks; you’re an angel.
(Removes large green book from backpack and begins reading)

LISA
What in the world are you reading? #A dictionary?

VENNY
(Quickly flips through the pages)
No, Lisa. #Braille just makes for fat books. #It’s called Seeds of Fire. #It’s a collection of writings by Chinese dissidents. #I met a couple of these guys when I was in re-education camp. #Some of them are still there. #Now, if you will excuse me, I’ll immerse myself in my book.

LISA
(Glances silently out the window to her left, for several minutes then reaches over and pokes Venny’s arm)

VENNY
Don’t poke me; I’m reading.
(Flips a page in her book)

LISA
Venny! #Listen, you were right!

VENNY
That’s why they pay me the big bucks. #Go back to bed, Lisa.

LISA
Venny! #I’m serious. #You were right; I’m not retarded. #Listen to me. #Do you think they can surgically remove...well...a really, really small part of your brain? #Like just a few special memories?

VENNY
(Closes her book and stares toward Lisa like she’s lost her mind)
Could you repeat the question? #I think I’m going deaf, too.

LISA
Venny! #Don’t be that way. #I know you heard me. #Do you think they can surgically remove certain memories?

VENNY
Now, how in blazes should I know; do I look like a neurosurgeon?

LISA
You know a lot of different things.
(Trades seats with Venny’s backpack)
Listen. #Don’t you think it’s kind of strange that the only things I can’t remember are right around the time of my accident? #Most people who hurt their brains get amnesia. #They forget everything. #I’ve only forgotten a few things. #But they’re important ones.

VENNY
(Snaps her fingers)
You’re right, Lisa. #It probably goes something like this: #You’re a physicist working on a new bomb for the U.S. government with two male colleagues. #Some evil Russian spies want to steal your secret, so they kidnap you, and torture you, and after they get what they want, they cut out the part of your brain that remembers the whole incident, and then lock you in a refrigerator while they go after your two colleagues. #They call them up at Ionoprobe and invite them to drive in to Fairbanks for lunch, under the guise of a ‘business deal.’ #As our heroes merrily roll along Chena Hot Springs Road, the evil Russians hire a helicopter to drop a bull moose in front of their truck, which kills them instantly. #It is a brilliantly crafted assassination and yet it looks like an accident. #Being nice evil Russians, they really hate to kill cute little Chinese women, but they want you out of their hair forever. #So they take you out of their Frigidaire, drive you clear out to Chena Hot Springs Road, and dump your shivering body in the woods, just a hundred feet from where forty-nine paramedics are working on your dying colleagues. #Then they go home with their new bomb and conquer the world. #Shucks, it happens all the time, Lisa.
(Slaps her forehead in self-disgust)
How silly of me for missing it!

LISA
(Crosses her arms and pouts)
You just made fun of me, didn’t you?

VENNY
Possibly.

LISA
(Sits silently for a few more minutes, observing Venny. #She then reaches over and pokes her again)

VENNY
(Sighs, irritated)
What is it this time?

LISA
Venny. #I just want you to know that I appreciate your doing this for me. #You really didn’t have to, you know.

VENNY
(Flips another page)
M-hmm.

LISA
And, Venny. #I don’t know if anyone has ever pointed this out...but I think you’re a very pretty woman.

VENNY
(Continues reading at a steady pace)
If you’re making a pass at me, I’ll slap your carcass clear back to Shanghai.

LISA
(Shocked)
Venny!! #I do not make passes at women. #I don’t even make them at men. #I was just paying you a compliment!

VENNY
(Closes her book and places it on the empty seat)
I know that, Lisa. #I just feel compelled to give you a hard time. #Thank you; I don’t get many compliments. #Not that I go fishing for them, mind you.
(Cranes her neck, looking around the cabin)
Now where’s the broad with the booze?

LISA
(Taps on Venny’s shoulder)
Um, Venny. #I don’t think they serve drinks on this flight; it’s only forty minutes.

VENNY
Damn, these things have gotten fast, lately! #Last time it was six hours.

LISA
(Rolls her eyes)
We’re stopping in Anchorage, Venny.

VENNY
(Slaps her forehead again)
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. #Glad you’re coming along; I might get lost without you. #I fell asleep on a plane going from Seattle to Anchorage once. #I was supposed to get off in Anchorage and catch a connecting flight to Fairbanks. #I woke up in Japan, instead. #I’d never been to Japan before; if I’d had a passport, I might have enjoyed myself. #Too bad they never let me off the plane.

LISA
(Mutters to herself)
I can’t say I blame them.

VENNY
(Places hands around Lisa’s throat)
I heard that, you smart-assed little twerp! #Take it back!

LISA
(Reaches behind Venny’s neck and inserts her finger into the corner of her mouth, yanking back forcefully, causing Venny to release her hold on her throat with a shriek)

VENNY
“Aaargh! #What in tarnation was THAT?”

LISA
(Giggles innocently)
It was a little trick A.M. taught me. #They do it in their Eskimo games.

VENNY
Holy Schwartzkopf!! #That’s way harsh! #Games?! #Man, you can be proud of that one!

LISA
(Laughs out loud)

VENNY
(Joins in laughter, then dries her eyes)
Know what, Lisa? #I’d like to see you drunk. #Just once, I’d like to see your goody two-shoes face hit the carpet. #What say we both knock back a few once we get out of Anchorage? #It probably helps prevent blood clots in the brain, anyway.

LISA
(Rolls her eyes)
I appreciate your offer, but I can’t even drink cough syrup without getting all woozy. #But if you want to flatten your face on the carpet, I won’t stop you. #I just can’t guarantee you won’t end up in Japan, though.
I'm already envisioning nightmares...

OK, seriously, IS this from a published book, or something from the "land of the rising sunspot cycle?"

# #And if so, when/where /how/why was it published?
This is from Plasma Dreams, available at a Barnes and Noble near you. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

KL7AJ
07-03-2007, 03:04 PM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 02 2007,18:40)]
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 02 2007,12:24)]
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 02 2007,10:02)]
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 02 2007,10:34)]He turned his attention to the old Wurlitzer organ console. #To his shock and horror, the middle C key of the organ was moving up and down on its own, as if being played by a ghost! #Oswald felt the blood drain from his head, but not before he recognized the pattern of the organ key’s motion...NE0EN DE K1ARG.
KL7AJ, you are a cruel man...
Post the next installment, already!

BTW, is the lightning bolt symbol fictitious or historic? If historic, could it be the symbol for a rotary spark gap?
But as a consolation prize, I'll post Scene One from my screenplay of Plasma Dreams. #












Scene One

CHARACTERS

Vengeance Toy (Venny): #Blind Chinese CIA agent, assisting Lisa to recover her lost memories.

Lisa Tang (Lisa): #Chinese Plasma Physicist who has lost a good portion of her brain in an automobile accident.

Loretta (Loretta): Suspicious flight attendant.

Mark Rodale (Mark): #Venny’s boss, sponsor, and mentor.

[Ref] Alice-Margrette Leander (A.M.): #Lisa’s best friend and confidante, a powerfully-built Greenlandic Eskimo woman now living in Alaska

[Ref] William Tell St. John (Tell): #Deceased colleague of Lisa’s.

[Ref] Al Webb (Al): #Deceased colleague of Lisa’s.









INT.737 AIRLINER-LATE MORNING

Lisa and Venny enter the empty 737 cabin. #Lisa presses Venny’s backpack into the overhead compartment of the airliner and guides Venny toward her seat.



LISA
I hope you don’t mind sitting by the aisle. #We can swap seats if you want.

VENNY
(Taps Lisa’s rear end with her cane)
Naah, I can shove you out the window faster this way, in case this thing takes a dive.

LISA
(Rolls her eyes)
Thanks; you’re all heart. #There’s an empty seat between us, by the way.

VENNY
(Moves in toward seat)
Ahh. #That would be for my imaginary playmate.
(Cocks her head)
Is it my imagination, or are we the only ones on this plane?

LISA
(Looks around nearly empty cabin)
Does the pilot count?

VENNY
(Rolls her cane between her hands)
Hmmm, that’s not a good sign. Wonder if they know something we don’t?

LISA
(Rolls her sleeve up, looks at her watch, and rolls her sleeve down again)
I think we’re just early. #Chinese people are always early.

VENNY
(Sighs impatiently)
Oh, I suppose so.
(Fumbles around with the literature in the seat-back pouches in front of her)
Don’t they have anything in Braille to read around here? #I’m bored already.

LISA
I guess not. #Should I register a complaint?

VENNY
(Shoves a glossy magazine toward Lisa)
#No, you can just read to me.

LISA
(Laughs mildly)
That’s just a boring airline catalog, Venny.

VENNY
(Puts the catalog back into the pouch)
Well, fortunately, I brought some literature along. #Want to grab my backpack for me?

LISA
(Begins to rise, and then drops back into her seat)
You know, Venny, we could just talk, you know.

VENNY
You’ve been doing that all morning, Lisa. #Tragically enough, that part of your brain seems to be fully intact. #Get me my backpack, please.

LISA
(Sighs and then climbs over Venny’s legs to the aisle, retrieving the backpack. #She closes the compartment door and drops the backpack on the spare seat next to Venny. #She then sits back down in the window seat)

VENNY
Thanks; you’re an angel.
(Removes large green book from backpack and begins reading)

LISA
What in the world are you reading? #A dictionary?

VENNY
(Quickly flips through the pages)
No, Lisa. #Braille just makes for fat books. #It’s called Seeds of Fire. #It’s a collection of writings by Chinese dissidents. #I met a couple of these guys when I was in re-education camp. #Some of them are still there. #Now, if you will excuse me, I’ll immerse myself in my book.

LISA
(Glances silently out the window to her left, for several minutes then reaches over and pokes Venny’s arm)

VENNY
Don’t poke me; I’m reading.
(Flips a page in her book)

LISA
Venny! #Listen, you were right!

VENNY
That’s why they pay me the big bucks. #Go back to bed, Lisa.

LISA
Venny! #I’m serious. #You were right; I’m not retarded. #Listen to me. #Do you think they can surgically remove...well...a really, really small part of your brain? #Like just a few special memories?

VENNY
(Closes her book and stares toward Lisa like she’s lost her mind)
Could you repeat the question? #I think I’m going deaf, too.

LISA
Venny! #Don’t be that way. #I know you heard me. #Do you think they can surgically remove certain memories?

VENNY
Now, how in blazes should I know; do I look like a neurosurgeon?

LISA
You know a lot of different things.
(Trades seats with Venny’s backpack)
Listen. #Don’t you think it’s kind of strange that the only things I can’t remember are right around the time of my accident? #Most people who hurt their brains get amnesia. #They forget everything. #I’ve only forgotten a few things. #But they’re important ones.

VENNY
(Snaps her fingers)
You’re right, Lisa. #It probably goes something like this: #You’re a physicist working on a new bomb for the U.S. government with two male colleagues. #Some evil Russian spies want to steal your secret, so they kidnap you, and torture you, and after they get what they want, they cut out the part of your brain that remembers the whole incident, and then lock you in a refrigerator while they go after your two colleagues. #They call them up at Ionoprobe and invite them to drive in to Fairbanks for lunch, under the guise of a ‘business deal.’ #As our heroes merrily roll along Chena Hot Springs Road, the evil Russians hire a helicopter to drop a bull moose in front of their truck, which kills them instantly. #It is a brilliantly crafted assassination and yet it looks like an accident. #Being nice evil Russians, they really hate to kill cute little Chinese women, but they want you out of their hair forever. #So they take you out of their Frigidaire, drive you clear out to Chena Hot Springs Road, and dump your shivering body in the woods, just a hundred feet from where forty-nine paramedics are working on your dying colleagues. #Then they go home with their new bomb and conquer the world. #Shucks, it happens all the time, Lisa.
(Slaps her forehead in self-disgust)
How silly of me for missing it!

LISA
(Crosses her arms and pouts)
You just made fun of me, didn’t you?

VENNY
Possibly.

LISA
(Sits silently for a few more minutes, observing Venny. #She then reaches over and pokes her again)

VENNY
(Sighs, irritated)
What is it this time?

LISA
Venny. #I just want you to know that I appreciate your doing this for me. #You really didn’t have to, you know.

VENNY
(Flips another page)
M-hmm.

LISA
And, Venny. #I don’t know if anyone has ever pointed this out...but I think you’re a very pretty woman.

VENNY
(Continues reading at a steady pace)
If you’re making a pass at me, I’ll slap your carcass clear back to Shanghai.

LISA
(Shocked)
Venny!! #I do not make passes at women. #I don’t even make them at men. #I was just paying you a compliment!

VENNY
(Closes her book and places it on the empty seat)
I know that, Lisa. #I just feel compelled to give you a hard time. #Thank you; I don’t get many compliments. #Not that I go fishing for them, mind you.
(Cranes her neck, looking around the cabin)
Now where’s the broad with the booze?

LISA
(Taps on Venny’s shoulder)
Um, Venny. #I don’t think they serve drinks on this flight; it’s only forty minutes.

VENNY
Damn, these things have gotten fast, lately! #Last time it was six hours.

LISA
(Rolls her eyes)
We’re stopping in Anchorage, Venny.

VENNY
(Slaps her forehead again)
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. #Glad you’re coming along; I might get lost without you. #I fell asleep on a plane going from Seattle to Anchorage once. #I was supposed to get off in Anchorage and catch a connecting flight to Fairbanks. #I woke up in Japan, instead. #I’d never been to Japan before; if I’d had a passport, I might have enjoyed myself. #Too bad they never let me off the plane.

LISA
(Mutters to herself)
I can’t say I blame them.

VENNY
(Places hands around Lisa’s throat)
I heard that, you smart-assed little twerp! #Take it back!

LISA
(Reaches behind Venny’s neck and inserts her finger into the corner of her mouth, yanking back forcefully, causing Venny to release her hold on her throat with a shriek)

VENNY
“Aaargh! #What in tarnation was THAT?”

LISA
(Giggles innocently)
It was a little trick A.M. taught me. #They do it in their Eskimo games.

VENNY
Holy Schwartzkopf!! #That’s way harsh! #Games?! #Man, you can be proud of that one!

LISA
(Laughs out loud)

VENNY
(Joins in laughter, then dries her eyes)
Know what, Lisa? #I’d like to see you drunk. #Just once, I’d like to see your goody two-shoes face hit the carpet. #What say we both knock back a few once we get out of Anchorage? #It probably helps prevent blood clots in the brain, anyway.

LISA
(Rolls her eyes)
I appreciate your offer, but I can’t even drink cough syrup without getting all woozy. #But if you want to flatten your face on the carpet, I won’t stop you. #I just can’t guarantee you won’t end up in Japan, though.
I'm already envisioning nightmares...

OK, seriously, IS this from a published book, or something from the "land of the rising sunspot cycle?"

# #And if so, when/where /how/why was it published?
Plasma Dreams, the book (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9781413748260&itm=1)

Right Here

VE2NSM
07-03-2007, 04:16 PM
Quote[/b] (k8mhz @ July 03 2007,10:11)]
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ June 30 2007,04:20)]Every now an then the international standards guys get together and make some changes so they can justify the rich food they eat at working meetings. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I think 1968 was the release of the SI system of units.

I think the change from cps to Hz happened in the late 60's because I vividly remember a QST article making fun of the change.

Rod Newkirk, W9BRD, was writing the "How's DX" column, and he would regularly have a report on the latest DXHPDS (DX Hoggery and Poetry Depreciation Society) meeting. One year there was a bunch of stuff about historians writing about hertzical history, the pain of riding a bihertz, and the pope issuing enhertzicals.

These were my father's QSTs, and he stopped getting them about '68 or '69. At that time the standards boys were busy releasing revised temperature scales and the like, so the timing fits.

Looking at the modern units, it seems the standardizers wanted to name all of the units after famous scientists, thus the changes. Some of the ones I remember:

cycles per second -> Hertz, after Heinrich Hertz
mho -> Siemens, after Werner Siemens
wavenumber -> Kayser

These were direct name changes. At the same time we were encouraged to use Joules instead of calories, Watts instead of horsepower and Pascals instead of psi.

Oddly enough, I don't think they gave the optical units special names.
As for the optical units, do 'diopters' count?
Footcandle was replaced by lux, an SI unit.

Quote from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lux)

Quote[/b] ]Lux versus footcandle

One footcandle = approx. 10.764 lux. The footcandle (or lumen per square foot) is a non-SI unit of illuminance. Like the BTU, it is obsolete but it is still in fairly common use in the United States, particularly in construction-related engineering and in building codes. Because lux and footcandles are different units of the same quantity, it is perfectly valid to convert footcandles to lux and vice versa.

KL7AJ
07-03-2007, 04:22 PM
Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ July 03 2007,09:16)]
Quote[/b] (k8mhz @ July 03 2007,10:11)]
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ June 30 2007,04:20)]Every now an then the international standards guys get together and make some changes so they can justify the rich food they eat at working meetings. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I think 1968 was the release of the SI system of units.

I think the change from cps to Hz happened in the late 60's because I vividly remember a QST article making fun of the change.

Rod Newkirk, W9BRD, was writing the "How's DX" column, and he would regularly have a report on the latest DXHPDS (DX Hoggery and Poetry Depreciation Society) meeting. One year there was a bunch of stuff about historians writing about hertzical history, the pain of riding a bihertz, and the pope issuing enhertzicals.

These were my father's QSTs, and he stopped getting them about '68 or '69. At that time the standards boys were busy releasing revised temperature scales and the like, so the timing fits.

Looking at the modern units, it seems the standardizers wanted to name all of the units after famous scientists, thus the changes. Some of the ones I remember:

cycles per second -> Hertz, after Heinrich Hertz
mho # # # # # # # # # #-> Siemens, after Werner Siemens
wavenumber # # # #-> Kayser

These were direct name changes. At the same time we were encouraged to use Joules instead of calories, Watts instead of horsepower and Pascals instead of psi.

Oddly enough, I don't think they gave the optical units special names.
As for the optical units, do 'diopters' count?
Footcandle was replaced by lux, an SI unit.

Quote from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lux)

Quote[/b] ]Lux versus footcandle

One footcandle = approx. 10.764 lux. The footcandle (or lumen per square foot) is a non-SI unit of illuminance. Like the BTU, it is obsolete but it is still in fairly common use in the United States, particularly in construction-related engineering and in building codes. Because lux and footcandles are different units of the same quantity, it is perfectly valid to convert footcandles to lux and vice versa.
Every time I used a foot candle, I burned my toes with hot wax!

WA9SVD
07-03-2007, 04:44 PM
Quote[/b] (n2cfj @ July 03 2007,07:43)]Prior posts indicated that we hams do not care about proper labeling and therefore the "erroneous" reference to kilo cycles, (omitting the per second), was replaced by the more accurate Hz. I would think that every ham in 1960 who referred to kc knew that he meant "kilocycles per second" and did not need a new "more accurate" term. If I were to be asked "What is the speed limit on I-80?" I would reply 55. Since miles per hour is the standard measurement of highway speed in the US, both parties would know the proper label.

I guess that is why centegrade became Celcius, because we were sloppy in not specifying that we were talking about hundreths of the difference in heat energy between water freezing and boiling at sea level. You would also have to specify the barometric pressure standard at that sea level, but I won't go there.
It was part of developing International Standards so that scientifically, as well as empricially, everyone was talking the same language.

While we here in the U.S. "understand" a speed limit of "55" is actually 55 miles per hour, the miles per hour is implied, not stated. 55 to a foreigner could easily mean 55 kilometers per hour. (Better be driving in the far right lane; even the semi's will be roaring past!)
And prior to standardization, how much was in a gallon? There was the U.S. gallon, the Imperial gallon...
(The liter never caught on in a big way, but we still buy soda in a 2 liter bottle, booze in a 1.75 liter bottle...)

The International Standards DID select prominent names for most units, just as they did for Watt, Ampere, Volt (shortened from the name Voltaire) and most other physical, electrical, and mechanical units of measurement.
When someone asks you "how much power does your amp produce," you answer in Watts, not "RF Volts times Amperes."

Hertz was the name selected for the unit of Frequency, and THAT is, and always has been defined as "cycles per second."

KL7AJ
07-03-2007, 05:02 PM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 02 2007,18:40)]
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 02 2007,12:24)]
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 02 2007,10:02)]
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 02 2007,10:34)]He turned his attention to the old Wurlitzer organ console. #To his shock and horror, the middle C key of the organ was moving up and down on its own, as if being played by a ghost! #Oswald felt the blood drain from his head, but not before he recognized the pattern of the organ key’s motion...NE0EN DE K1ARG.
KL7AJ, you are a cruel man...
Post the next installment, already!

BTW, is the lightning bolt symbol fictitious or historic? If historic, could it be the symbol for a rotary spark gap?
But as a consolation prize, I'll post Scene One from my screenplay of Plasma Dreams. #












Scene One

CHARACTERS

Vengeance Toy (Venny): #Blind Chinese CIA agent, assisting Lisa to recover her lost memories.

Lisa Tang (Lisa): #Chinese Plasma Physicist who has lost a good portion of her brain in an automobile accident.

Loretta (Loretta): Suspicious flight attendant.

Mark Rodale (Mark): #Venny’s boss, sponsor, and mentor.

[Ref] Alice-Margrette Leander (A.M.): #Lisa’s best friend and confidante, a powerfully-built Greenlandic Eskimo woman now living in Alaska

[Ref] William Tell St. John (Tell): #Deceased colleague of Lisa’s.

[Ref] Al Webb (Al): #Deceased colleague of Lisa’s.









INT.737 AIRLINER-LATE MORNING

Lisa and Venny enter the empty 737 cabin. #Lisa presses Venny’s backpack into the overhead compartment of the airliner and guides Venny toward her seat.



LISA
I hope you don’t mind sitting by the aisle. #We can swap seats if you want.

VENNY
(Taps Lisa’s rear end with her cane)
Naah, I can shove you out the window faster this way, in case this thing takes a dive.

LISA
(Rolls her eyes)
Thanks; you’re all heart. #There’s an empty seat between us, by the way.

VENNY
(Moves in toward seat)
Ahh. #That would be for my imaginary playmate.
(Cocks her head)
Is it my imagination, or are we the only ones on this plane?

LISA
(Looks around nearly empty cabin)
Does the pilot count?

VENNY
(Rolls her cane between her hands)
Hmmm, that’s not a good sign. Wonder if they know something we don’t?

LISA
(Rolls her sleeve up, looks at her watch, and rolls her sleeve down again)
I think we’re just early. #Chinese people are always early.

VENNY
(Sighs impatiently)
Oh, I suppose so.
(Fumbles around with the literature in the seat-back pouches in front of her)
Don’t they have anything in Braille to read around here? #I’m bored already.

LISA
I guess not. #Should I register a complaint?

VENNY
(Shoves a glossy magazine toward Lisa)
#No, you can just read to me.

LISA
(Laughs mildly)
That’s just a boring airline catalog, Venny.

VENNY
(Puts the catalog back into the pouch)
Well, fortunately, I brought some literature along. #Want to grab my backpack for me?

LISA
(Begins to rise, and then drops back into her seat)
You know, Venny, we could just talk, you know.

VENNY
You’ve been doing that all morning, Lisa. #Tragically enough, that part of your brain seems to be fully intact. #Get me my backpack, please.

LISA
(Sighs and then climbs over Venny’s legs to the aisle, retrieving the backpack. #She closes the compartment door and drops the backpack on the spare seat next to Venny. #She then sits back down in the window seat)

VENNY
Thanks; you’re an angel.
(Removes large green book from backpack and begins reading)

LISA
What in the world are you reading? #A dictionary?

VENNY
(Quickly flips through the pages)
No, Lisa. #Braille just makes for fat books. #It’s called Seeds of Fire. #It’s a collection of writings by Chinese dissidents. #I met a couple of these guys when I was in re-education camp. #Some of them are still there. #Now, if you will excuse me, I’ll immerse myself in my book.

LISA
(Glances silently out the window to her left, for several minutes then reaches over and pokes Venny’s arm)

VENNY
Don’t poke me; I’m reading.
(Flips a page in her book)

LISA
Venny! #Listen, you were right!

VENNY
That’s why they pay me the big bucks. #Go back to bed, Lisa.

LISA
Venny! #I’m serious. #You were right; I’m not retarded. #Listen to me. #Do you think they can surgically remove...well...a really, really small part of your brain? #Like just a few special memories?

VENNY
(Closes her book and stares toward Lisa like she’s lost her mind)
Could you repeat the question? #I think I’m going deaf, too.

LISA
Venny! #Don’t be that way. #I know you heard me. #Do you think they can surgically remove certain memories?

VENNY
Now, how in blazes should I know; do I look like a neurosurgeon?

LISA
You know a lot of different things.
(Trades seats with Venny’s backpack)
Listen. #Don’t you think it’s kind of strange that the only things I can’t remember are right around the time of my accident? #Most people who hurt their brains get amnesia. #They forget everything. #I’ve only forgotten a few things. #But they’re important ones.

VENNY
(Snaps her fingers)
You’re right, Lisa. #It probably goes something like this: #You’re a physicist working on a new bomb for the U.S. government with two male colleagues. #Some evil Russian spies want to steal your secret, so they kidnap you, and torture you, and after they get what they want, they cut out the part of your brain that remembers the whole incident, and then lock you in a refrigerator while they go after your two colleagues. #They call them up at Ionoprobe and invite them to drive in to Fairbanks for lunch, under the guise of a ‘business deal.’ #As our heroes merrily roll along Chena Hot Springs Road, the evil Russians hire a helicopter to drop a bull moose in front of their truck, which kills them instantly. #It is a brilliantly crafted assassination and yet it looks like an accident. #Being nice evil Russians, they really hate to kill cute little Chinese women, but they want you out of their hair forever. #So they take you out of their Frigidaire, drive you clear out to Chena Hot Springs Road, and dump your shivering body in the woods, just a hundred feet from where forty-nine paramedics are working on your dying colleagues. #Then they go home with their new bomb and conquer the world. #Shucks, it happens all the time, Lisa.
(Slaps her forehead in self-disgust)
How silly of me for missing it!

LISA
(Crosses her arms and pouts)
You just made fun of me, didn’t you?

VENNY
Possibly.

LISA
(Sits silently for a few more minutes, observing Venny. #She then reaches over and pokes her again)

VENNY
(Sighs, irritated)
What is it this time?

LISA
Venny. #I just want you to know that I appreciate your doing this for me. #You really didn’t have to, you know.

VENNY
(Flips another page)
M-hmm.

LISA
And, Venny. #I don’t know if anyone has ever pointed this out...but I think you’re a very pretty woman.

VENNY
(Continues reading at a steady pace)
If you’re making a pass at me, I’ll slap your carcass clear back to Shanghai.

LISA
(Shocked)
Venny!! #I do not make passes at women. #I don’t even make them at men. #I was just paying you a compliment!

VENNY
(Closes her book and places it on the empty seat)
I know that, Lisa. #I just feel compelled to give you a hard time. #Thank you; I don’t get many compliments. #Not that I go fishing for them, mind you.
(Cranes her neck, looking around the cabin)
Now where’s the broad with the booze?

LISA
(Taps on Venny’s shoulder)
Um, Venny. #I don’t think they serve drinks on this flight; it’s only forty minutes.

VENNY
Damn, these things have gotten fast, lately! #Last time it was six hours.

LISA
(Rolls her eyes)
We’re stopping in Anchorage, Venny.

VENNY
(Slaps her forehead again)
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. #Glad you’re coming along; I might get lost without you. #I fell asleep on a plane going from Seattle to Anchorage once. #I was supposed to get off in Anchorage and catch a connecting flight to Fairbanks. #I woke up in Japan, instead. #I’d never been to Japan before; if I’d had a passport, I might have enjoyed myself. #Too bad they never let me off the plane.

LISA
(Mutters to herself)
I can’t say I blame them.

VENNY
(Places hands around Lisa’s throat)
I heard that, you smart-assed little twerp! #Take it back!

LISA
(Reaches behind Venny’s neck and inserts her finger into the corner of her mouth, yanking back forcefully, causing Venny to release her hold on her throat with a shriek)

VENNY
“Aaargh! #What in tarnation was THAT?”

LISA
(Giggles innocently)
It was a little trick A.M. taught me. #They do it in their Eskimo games.

VENNY
Holy Schwartzkopf!! #That’s way harsh! #Games?! #Man, you can be proud of that one!

LISA
(Laughs out loud)

VENNY
(Joins in laughter, then dries her eyes)
Know what, Lisa? #I’d like to see you drunk. #Just once, I’d like to see your goody two-shoes face hit the carpet. #What say we both knock back a few once we get out of Anchorage? #It probably helps prevent blood clots in the brain, anyway.

LISA
(Rolls her eyes)
I appreciate your offer, but I can’t even drink cough syrup without getting all woozy. #But if you want to flatten your face on the carpet, I won’t stop you. #I just can’t guarantee you won’t end up in Japan, though.
I'm already envisioning nightmares...

OK, seriously, IS this from a published book, or something from the "land of the rising sunspot cycle?"

# #And if so, when/where /how/why was it published?
If you want to envision nightmares, you need to listen to this album. John Tabacco (http://cdbaby.com/cd/jtabacco)

Mr. Tabacco has actually given me permission to use some of his cuts for my movie sound track. "I don't know what I'm doing babe" is quite appropriate for a couple of scenes....actually for the whole movie. I might use it for the opening theme!

Eric

KA4DPO
07-03-2007, 05:04 PM
Can I be in your movie? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

KL7AJ
07-03-2007, 05:14 PM
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ July 03 2007,10:04)]Can I be in your movie? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Sure! How well can you play a dead guy? I'm still looking for someone to play Al Webb, who gets picked off real early in the movie. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

WA9SVD
07-03-2007, 07:27 PM
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 03 2007,09:22)][
Every time I used a foot candle, I burned my toes with hot wax!
So, NOW you're waxing poetic? I thought you were a novelist!

BTW, when do we get to the parts about sex and violence? You GOTTA work male and female coax connectors and a Wouff Hong, maybe even a Rettysnitch into the plot somehow. (Doubt you could really include the Uggerumph without getting a R rating for the movie.) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

KL7AJ
07-03-2007, 07:36 PM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 03 2007,12:27)]
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 03 2007,09:22)][
Every time I used a foot candle, I burned my toes with hot wax!
So, NOW you're waxing poetic? #I thought you were a novelist!

BTW, when do we get to the parts about sex and violence? #You GOTTA work male and female coax connectors and a Wouff Hong, maybe even a Rettysnitch into the plot somehow. #(Doubt you could really include the Uggerumph without getting a R rating for the movie.) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Does lactation count as sex?

********************

No sooner had she dozed off than her old cohort Alice-Margrette blasted into the room, bellowing a cheerful greeting which could have been heard in Greenland.
“Lisa, we heard good news!!! Your brains are workin’ again!!”
Lisa cracked open a reluctant eyelid. A.M. stood there with her baby girl, Promise, clamped under her left arm. With her free hand, she was tethering a helium-filled Mylar heart the size of a weather balloon to the railing at the foot of the bed.
“That’s debatable,” Lisa said, groggily. “Is it Valentine’s day, already?”
“Lisa! When I think of you, every day is Valentine’s day.” Coming from anyone else, that would have sounded incredibly sappy; coming from A.M., Lisa knew it was the gospel. A.M. stared curiously at Lisa for a moment. “You have more hoses than fire engine, Lisa.”
“Tell me about it,” Lisa said, wiggling her lips to readjust the tubes in her nose.
“Am sorry, I could not bring Bill,” A.M. said, apologetically. “He is in Anchorage, takin’ pictures for new book. Otherwise he would be here. You know.” A.M. inspected an I.V. drip bottle as only a retired chemist could. “Lisa! I did not know Chinese people had green blood!”
Lisa directed her gaze toward the I.V. bottle suspended above her right arm. Indeed, the mysterious fluid had a decidedly green cast, not unlike cloudy lime Kool-aid.
“I think that’s antifreeze,” she said with a sigh.
A.M. spotted the chair Henry had been using, dragged it over to the side of Lisa’s bed, and plopped down in it. It looked like she planned on “settin’ for a spell,” as the late Tell St. John had been fond of saying. She immediately unbuttoned her blouse and began to nurse Promise. Lisa reached over and pinched a lock of Promise’s silky black hair, twiddling it in her fingers, listening to the greedy sucking sounds.
“Lisa, have they truly been freezin’ your brains?” A.M. asked after she was comfortably settled into her Madonna mode.
“Well, in a manner of speaking, I guess,” Lisa said. “They say it prevents swelling. All I know is that it really gives me weird dreams. I guess I will have to keep having it done for quite a while, like every week for a year. Oh, A.M., you can’t believe how cold it feels. Have you ever been really, really cold?”
“Lisa, you forget I am from Greenland!”
“Oh...right. Well it’s still cold.”
“How do you know when you are all finished, Lisa?”
Lisa furrowed her brow. “I’m not sure. I guess when they decide I’m not getting any stupider. I’m glad you’re here, A.M., because I’m missing something, and I think you can help. I had the weirdest experience while I was unconscious. Actually, I don’t really think I was unconscious at all. This might sound strange, but I think I actually went somewhere. There were two different realities I was in, one at UCLA, and one up here in Alaska. And I’m not really sure this is real, either. Maybe this is just one of a whole bunch of places I’ve been to in the last few weeks. I’m really worried that maybe I’ll wake up from this, and be in some other reality. How do I even know that you are real?”
A.M. flipped Promise over to the other tit, and reached out toward a rather important-looking “hose” running from Lisa’s left forearm to a mystery box on a nearby shelf. “Is easy to find out for sure,” she said, tugging gently on the tubing, with a sly grin.
“NO!!” shrieked Lisa. “I think this might be a real reality, after all!”
“See!” said A.M., releasing the tubing. “This must be real, because you are too interested in self-preservation to be in a phony place.”
Lisa thought about that one for a while. “Are you sure?”
“Of course, Lisa. When I was in Greenland, survival was everything. When you were about to be eaten by polar bears, your judgment became very good. Only way to find out what is true is to expose yourself to great danger.”
There was a disturbing logic to A.M.’s analysis. Lisa turned to her and said, “On purpose?”
A.M. gently picked an “eye-booger” out of the corner of Promise’s eye. “If you must. You are never so alive as when you are close to death.”
“But I hate danger!” Lisa said.
“You are whining, Lisa.”
Lisa sighed. A.M. had never been actually wrong about anything, although she did manage to spin a few tall tales when it came to her life back in Greenland. Of course, never having been to Greenland, Lisa was never able to confirm or deny any of her imaginative parables. Of one thing she was certain, A.M. had more than once proven herself a friend unto death.
“I know...I’m sorry,” Lisa said, at last. “Tell me one thing, okay? Do you believe me when I say I really went somewhere else when I was unconscious?”
“I always believe you, Lisa,” A.M. said, flatly.
It was such a straightforward answer, and yet the way she emphasized the word believe was highly unsettling. Lisa tried to read between the lines, which was difficult when there was only half a line to begin with. In her mind, she tried to complete the sentence. “You believe me, but what? Your believe me, but don’t trust me? You believe me, but don’t love me? You believe me, but you want me to change a soggy diaper? WHAT?!” She was practically screaming inside her skull. After a painful pause, she furrowed her eyebrows at A.M. and said, “Well??”
A.M. plucked Promise off her nipple and placed her gently on Lisa’s belly. “Hold baby while I put chest back together, please. She is not cooperating so much.” She snapped her bra back together and buttoned her blouse. “Be careful, she is getting to be grabbing things.”
“Great,” Lisa thought. “I survive getting my brains caved in, only to die because my best friend’s baby pulls my plug.” She stroked Promise’s silky black hair and melted into her mattress again; for a moment, all was right with the world, even though A.M. hadn’t answered her question yet. Under the most normal of circumstances, communication with A.M. could be a surreal experience; in Lisa’s present state of mind, it bordered on the hallucinogenic.

K7FE
07-03-2007, 08:11 PM
It was in the 1930's that Hertz (Hz) was adopted, however I first heard of it in 1961 while attending college studying engineering. See the article below by the IEEE Historian.

"And most who are familiar with Heinrich Hertz probably know that the unit of frequency — cycles per second — was renamed the Hertz (Hz) in the 1930s in his honor........"
IEEE (http://www.todaysengineer.org/2002/Oct/heritage.asp)

73,
Terry, K7FE

KL7AJ
07-03-2007, 08:19 PM
Quote[/b] (K7FE @ July 03 2007,13:11)]It was in the 1930's that Hertz (Hz) was adopted, however I first heard of it in 1961 while attending college studying engineering. #See the article below by the IEEE Historian. #

"And most who are familiar with Heinrich Hertz probably know that the unit of frequency — cycles per second — was renamed the Hertz (Hz) in the 1930s in his honor........"
IEEE (http://www.todaysengineer.org/2002/Oct/heritage.asp)

73,
Terry, K7FE
Hey! # Follow the thread, dude! #We're talking about lactation here, now! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

KC9KXW
07-03-2007, 09:48 PM
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ July 01 2007,21:49)]
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 02 2007,20:20)]
Quote[/b] (KC9KXW @ July 02 2007,18:05)]Well I just "Googled" "definition of Hertz", and had 1,460,000 hits.

The few that I looked at had pretty much the same definition as below.

hertz (hűrts)
n., pl. hertz. (Abbr. Hz)
A unit of frequency equal to one cycle per second.

[After Heinrich Rudolf HERTZ.]

Hope I didn't step on any toes..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #

73
KC9KXW
No problem. #
# #To coin a fraze, "You ain't gonna find no ref'rents to #Hurts per second for freak-wents-eee."

# #Hertz as a Standard as of frequency measurement is defined as cycles per second. # Adding the "per second" would be redundant, superfluous, and again, inaccurate. #THAT's a major reason Hz replaced CPS or C/s: #the "per second" was unnecessary at a fundamental level. #And THAT is the International standard and definition, the FCC standard, and the NIST (nee NBS) standard and definition.
I no longer have any use for you.
SEEEEEEEE YAAAA

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

WA9SVD
07-03-2007, 11:33 PM
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 03 2007,13:19)]Hey! Follow the thread, dude! We're talking about lactation here, now! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Gonna milk this for all it's worth, aren't you? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

KC9KXW
07-04-2007, 12:50 AM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 02 2007,17:33)]
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 03 2007,13:19)]Hey! # Follow the thread, dude! #We're talking about lactation here, now! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Gonna milk this for all it's worth, aren't you? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
I never would have imagined my question about Mc and MHz would have went this far and gotten this "OUT OF CONTROL".....

Heck their even bringing them in from other threads.....

P.S.: and I'm really enjoying this too..... #

73
KC9KXW

AB1GA
07-04-2007, 01:48 AM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 02 2007,18:37)]
Quote[/b] (KC9KXW @ June 30 2007,08:58)]Good Day Everyone, I've read a few books and a lot of QST articles.
In the older books and K2TQN's "Old Radio" department and the "75, 50 and 25 Years Ago" department of QST, I notice that they refer to Megacycles "Mc" instead of Megahertz "MHz".
I'm curious as to why the change in the name and when that change came about.


I'm afraid the "change" occurred pre-Internet, so many of the "discussions," pro and con, are lost to history or libraries' dusty shelves...
Nay, I say!

The treasures are not lost, but buried beneath our indolence.

We have become too lazy and slipshod for the library, and so must settle for the Internet.

And a thousand research librarians weep...


http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

AB1GA
07-04-2007, 02:00 AM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 03 2007,14:27)]BTW, when do we get to the parts about sex and violence? #You GOTTA work male and female coax connectors and a Wouff Hong, maybe even a Rettysnitch into the plot somehow. #(Doubt you could really include the Uggerumph without getting a R rating for the movie.) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Are there enough hams in the book to allow for the use of the Implements?

I believe the Wouff Hong and Rettysnitch are tools which are only intended to be used to correct the behavior of wayward hams and are not suitable for general use. Like the story of the Giant Rat of Sumatra, the general public is not yet ready to learn of the Implements.

And as I have stated earlier on this site, a close look at the Uggerumph on Cebik's web site leads me to conclude that it isn't an artifact, but a fossil, of a creature I certainly wouldn't want to step on in the dark.

Let us leave the civil authority to deal with riot and mayhem with prison and the lash, and reserve the Implements for the truly heinous transgressions like Tuning Upon a Net in Progress, Distortion and Splattery, and Impersonating a Radio Inspector.

W2ANZ
07-04-2007, 03:19 AM
I say we get rid of that new-fangled unit for resistance and go back to good old volts-per-ampere. Of course, the ampere is understood, so we can just describe resistors in terms of volts. I need a 50 volt dummy load for my transmitter....

WA9SVD
07-04-2007, 03:31 AM
Quote[/b] (w2anz @ July 03 2007,20:19)]I say we get rid of that new-fangled unit for resistance and go back to good old volts-per-ampere. Of course, the ampere is understood, so we can just describe resistors in terms of volts. I need a 50 volt dummy load for my transmitter....
Watt? I say WATT? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

KC9KXW
07-04-2007, 03:37 AM
Quote[/b] (w2anz @ July 02 2007,21:19)]I say we get rid of that new-fangled unit for resistance and go back to good old volts-per-ampere. #Of course, the ampere is understood, so we can just describe resistors in terms of volts. #I need a 50 volt dummy load for my transmitter....
OH NO, here we go again..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

By the way, what chapter are we on now ? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

I just wonder if this thread will go on as long as "Test Topic-Please Ignore"..... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #

PROBABLY NOT..... #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73
KC9KXW

W1GUH
07-04-2007, 04:30 AM
You want sex? #Forget about male and female connectors...here's the real stuff!


The Sex Life of an Electron (http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/humor.htm#hum010)

WA9SVD
07-04-2007, 07:14 AM
Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ July 03 2007,21:30)]You want sex? Forget about male and female connectors...here's the real stuff!


The Sex Life of an Electron (http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/humor.htm#hum010)
Watch it. This is supposed to be a "G" rated forum! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

WA9SVD
07-04-2007, 07:19 AM
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 03 2007,18:48)]
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 02 2007,18:37)]
Quote[/b] (KC9KXW @ June 30 2007,08:58)]Good Day Everyone, I've read a few books and a lot of QST articles.
In the older books and K2TQN's "Old Radio" department and the "75, 50 and 25 Years Ago" department of QST, I notice that they refer to Megacycles "Mc" instead of Megahertz "MHz".
I'm curious as to why the change in the name and when that change came about.


I'm afraid the "change" occurred pre-Internet, so many of the "discussions," pro and con, are lost to history or libraries' dusty shelves...
Nay, I say!

The treasures are not lost, but buried beneath our indolence.

We have become too lazy and slipshod for the library, and so must settle for the Internet.

And a thousand research librarians weep...


http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Nay? What does this have to do with a horse?

No, it's just that the Internet is instantly available, the library is not. (And ironically, the most used part of the libraries now seem to be the Internet connected computers...)

W1GUH
07-04-2007, 08:05 AM
Going to a library vs. researching on the internet? #On the internet you can quickly google something and get the basics. #You've got to be careful about the credibility of the sites, of course, but there's lots and lots of information there that's instantly available. #And, if you're willing to pay a modest fee, you can get even more than is available for free.

It's true that you won't get your knowledge from a book on the shelf...but you'll probably be able to access a digitized version of the relevant book, especially for a fee.

I'm not sure I see any disadvantage or any lessor quality of research if it's done on the 'net. #In fact, I'd say it's far superior to...

1) Getting in the car.
2) Driving to the library.
3) Parking
4) Finding relevant books in either the card catalog or computer search.
5) Finding the book (if it's not checked out)
6) Skimming through it to see if it's what you need.
7) Repeating steps 4-6 for other books.

You think this is better than doing it online? #It's more traditional, certainly, but better? #Especially if one is discriminating in his/her coice of sites?

This reminds me of a book I just saw at Border's. #I forget the name, but the gist of the guy's argument is that the "amateurs" (not hams #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ) on the web were killing America. #Free classifieds a la Craig's list were taking money away from the newspaper want-ads...on-line news was also killing the newpapers...on-line music was wrecking the record industry...etc...etc...etc.

I didn't buy the book, but it was thought provoking.

KI4NGN
07-04-2007, 10:55 AM
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ July 02 2007,17:01)]SVD, with all due respect I got my EE from Florida State University in 1980 and the shift was on from Cycles Per Second to Hertz Per Second. #Notice I said Hertz Per Second. #That's because without something to tell you what the period is it's as meaningless as Cycles. #That's why frequency is specified as Khz and Mhz and not buches of Hertz.

By the way, many of my text books, including Fields and Waves and Amorphous and Liquid Semiconductor technology still refered to frequency in Cycles Per Second ie, Kc and Mc. #Now just admit that you really don't have the slightest clue as to why the change was made.

The truth is that the change was made by agreement with the IEEE to honor Heinrich Hertz for his contibution to physics.

By the way and I'm using a great deal of restraint in answering you, I don't recall ever saying anything about using Cycles alone as a unit of measure for for frequency, perhaps you should go back and read my post more carefully. #A cycle coul be running your dishwasher once.
OM, with all respect due to you, you owe SVD an apology for the way that you have responded to him. He is and has been 100% correct. You may have had accurate thoughts in your mind, but they didn't make their way to the forum.

Forgetting all of the engineering and whatever other texts, Webster's has the following definition for hertz:

"The international unit of frequency, equal to one cycle per second."

Cycles may have been understood as CPS, and maybe even internationally amongst many different disciplines (not just hams), but it (CPS) was standardized for the entire world to a single word that, given a definition, would be understood by anyone and everyone.

Be an adult and admit that you made an mistake instead of stomping off like a petulant child.

I seriously do not mean this to be insulting to you OM, but wish to welcome you into a world where a person who tells another that he is wrong is himself then proven to be wrong, has the respect for others and himself to say "Oops! I got that one wrong! Sorry about that!"

Mike

AB1GA
07-04-2007, 02:37 PM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 04 2007,02:19)]Nay? # What does this have to do with a horse?

# #No, it's just that the Internet is instantly available, the library is not. #(And ironically, the most used part of the libraries now seem to be the Internet connected computers...)
Horses? Neigh!
Occasionally anyway
But mostly they just wander 'round
Eating grass - and sometimes hay

(I offer my deepest apologies to my audience for this spontaneous and unsolicited outbreak of Dale-Ku ™, a new form of artistic verse. Readers should take heart that, like most other great advances of humanity, Dale-Ku ™ is unappreciated by the masses and will NOT soon be available in book form at Barnes and Noble. Instead, the curious should seek out "Plasma Dreams". )
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

The "instant availability" of the Internet is a double edged sword. I'm worried that because it's so convenient, people will forget that it is incomplete or will, as you did in your post, consider the information not on the Internet to be "lost". The tragedy here is that if this belief spreads, libraries will receive fewer and fewer resources to preserve the non-electronic material, and will be forced to reduce their holdings to save money; then the material will be truly lost.

Without knowing how the Internet connected computers are used, I cannot evaluate their value. For all I know their only function is to provide a means for teenagers to access Web sites their parents won't let them see, like QRZ.com! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

WA9SVD
07-04-2007, 02:59 PM
Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ July 04 2007,01:05)]Going to a library vs. researching on the internet? On the internet you can quickly google something and get the basics. You've got to be careful about the credibility of the sites, of course, but there's lots and lots of information there that's instantly available. And, if you're willing to pay a modest fee, you can get even more than is available for free.

It's true that you won't get your knowledge from a book on the shelf...but you'll probably be able to access a digitized version of the relevant book, especially for a fee.

I'm not sure I see any disadvantage or any lessor quality of research if it's done on the 'net. In fact, I'd say it's far superior to...

1) Getting in the car.
2) Driving to the library.
3) Parking
4) Finding relevant books in either the card catalog or computer search.
5) Finding the book (if it's not checked out)
6) Skimming through it to see if it's what you need.
7) Repeating steps 4-6 for other books.

You think this is better than doing it online? It's more traditional, certainly, but better? Especially if one is discriminating in his/her coice of sites?

This reminds me of a book I just saw at Border's. I forget the name, but the gist of the guy's argument is that the "amateurs" (not hams http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ) on the web were killing America. Free classifieds a la Craig's list were taking money away from the newspaper want-ads...on-line news was also killing the newpapers...on-line music was wrecking the record industry...etc...etc...etc.

I didn't buy the book, but it was thought provoking.
Library better? CERTAINLY. Far more references than available on the Internet. (Besides, most libraries HAVE the Internet available for users.)
Again, items "Pre-Internet" are often unavailable on rhe 'Net; example is the articles in QST regarding the change from CPS to Hz. THEY can be found in many publ;ic libraries, but not on the Internet.
the Internet DOES have the advantage of being readily, almost instantly available, and convenience can be a definite advantage. But again, you have to be careful about the accuracy and validity of a source. Wikipedia IS very good and convenient, but because items are user provided, there's no editorial checks and balances to assure accuracy.

IMHO, your list of "advantages" to online research vs. physical library research is more a list of conveniences. Certainly, online is usually more convenient, but hardly more accurate. There are FAR more references available in a library than are available online. (And those with a fee can easily add up to FAR more than gas, parking, etc. involved in going to the local library.)
Of course, living in a major metropolitan area (actually a megalopolis) I'm blessed with a well stocked public library, which includes a generous archive of QST. But in many cases, even small libraries can obtain resources through inter-library loan programs.

AB1GA
07-04-2007, 03:09 PM
Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ July 04 2007,03:05)]Going to a library vs. researching on the internet? #On the internet you can quickly google something and get the basics. #You've got to be careful about the credibility of the sites, of course, but there's lots and lots of information there that's instantly available. #And, if you're willing to pay a modest fee, you can get even more than is available for free.
I don't view the situation as one of library vs. Internet, but rather view the Internet as augmenting traditional methods of research. I am worried that we as a society are willing to sacrifice too much for "instant availability."

My original contribution to this thread was the result of a comment by 'SVD about information being "lost to history or libraries' dusty shelves." Now, I'm not picking on 'SVD here, it's just that he happened to say what I think lots of people are thinking. The truth of the matter is that as long as material is on a library's dusty shelf it isn't lost; we just have to make the effort to get it.

I was excited by the Internet before the strong increase in commercial activity and the search engine war. The early AltaVista and Lycos engines may not have been able to claim the numbers of today's Google, but I remember being able to find good information rather quickly, because the Web was new, and everyone wanted to play, so everyone posted a web page about their work, and revised it, and checked hit counts, and generally put in an effort. And it was largely a labor of love, or market stimulus.

I find today's Internet less useful. If I want to find out about a piece of equipment, I'd better have "-ebay" in my query. Even then, I'm likely to have to wade through pages of people who want to sell me something rather than tell me something. Once I do get past the vendors, instead of a crudely crafted page with real information I get a slick piece of webmastery trying to sell me a book on the topic for $10.95, or $59.95! Now THOSE are heartless, mercenary, shills! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

I do not object to commercial activity on the net, nor to anyone wanting to make a little money from their labors. But it's important to spot the trend here and see where we might be heading before we place any more of our eggs in this basket, and identify the hidden costs. I do not believe that, in the long run, the Internet will provide the depth or sophistication of access to research material with the same cost-effectiveness as a library network, and that if we write off the library as a research facility we will be worse off for it.

WA9SVD
07-04-2007, 03:13 PM
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 04 2007,07:37)]The "instant availability" of the Internet is a double edged sword. I'm worried that because it's so convenient, people will forget that it is incomplete or will, as you did in your post, consider the information not on the Internet to be "lost".
Either I didn't make myself clear, or you misunderstood...

I only considered material "lost" in terms of access via the Internet. It just requires a little more effort to actually go to a library. And I agree with you, that too many people accept only what is available online as the only source of information in existence. In all reality, the resources available online are probably only a small percentage of the actual knowlwdge base in existence.
=====

Horses? Neigh!
Occasionally anyway
But mostly they just wander 'round
Eating grass - and sometimes hay
How profound.

Taking poetic license of course. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

WA2ZDY
07-04-2007, 04:17 PM
Quote[/b] (KC9KXW @ July 02 2007,16:03)]OH what "Mr. Hertz" must be thinking, he has to be "rolling over in his grave right about now".....:laugh: ##
And how at many hertz is Herr Hertz rotating? I'll bet he's glad he's passe or his hertzian head would hurt.

I'm rather saddened to see this discussion between SVD adn DPO. Both gentlemen are very knowledgeable, have been generous sources of information and both are very clearly hams in the true spirit of ham radio.

Sure we all knew/know what "60 cycles" means. It is true though that officialdom requires precision and "hertz" hurts less than "cycles per second."

Eric, I looked for your book last evening in B&N in Tampa. It was not to be found. I hope that just means you're popular in Tampa.

And I'm still listening five kc up.

AB1GA
07-04-2007, 04:38 PM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 04 2007,10:13)]Either I didn't make myself clear, or you misunderstood...

# #I only considered material "lost" in terms of access via the Internet. #It just requires a little more effort to actually go to a library. #And I agree with you, that too many people accept only what is available online as the only source of information in existence. #In all reality, the resources available online are probably only a small percentage of the actual knowlwdge base in existence.
=====

Horses? Neigh!
Occasionally anyway
But mostly they just wander 'round
Eating grass - and sometimes hay
How profound.

# #Taking poetic license of course. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
'SVD:

Yes, I did misunderstand, and I apologize if it seems I cast you as a nefarious antagonist, for such was not my intent.


Now about hijacking my (copyrighted) Dale-Ku: http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Feel free and thank you! And have a happy Fourth of July! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

WA9SVD
07-04-2007, 04:44 PM
Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ July 04 2007,09:17)]
Quote[/b] (KC9KXW @ July 02 2007,16:03)]OH what "Mr. Hertz" must be thinking, he has to be "rolling over in his grave right about now".....:laugh:
And how at many hertz is Herr Hertz rotating? I'll bet he's glad he's passe or his hertzian head would hurt.

I'm rather saddened to see this discussion between SVD adn DPO. Both gentlemen are very knowledgeable, have been generous sources of information and both are very clearly hams in the true spirit of ham radio.

Sure we all knew/know what "60 cycles" means. It is true though that officialdom requires precision and "hertz" hurts less than "cycles per second."

Eric, I looked for your book last evening in B&N in Tampa. It was not to be found. I hope that just means you're popular in Tampa.

And I'm still listening five kc up.
Christopher,
(Or do you prefer Chris?)
Thank you. I'm sure DPO is also quite knowedgeable, but when comments turn to personal attacks, well... things can turn a bit ugly. (Unfortunately, he has carried his derogatory comments to other forums as well.)

The whole point is that standardization on an international scale was a good thing, and removed any question about frequency. While I will agree that we hams understood an implied "per second," it wasn't always apparent to others, even those with a scientific background NOT in electronics/RF. The redesignation of the measurement unit of frequency to the SI term of Hz, defined as "cycles per second" was supposed to remove ALL confusion.

BTW, sorry I'm not close enough to help you get some wire in the air when you need help. I'm sure you will be able to recruit an able force. Good luck. You too have been a generous, knowledgeable, and invaluable contributor to the forums at QRZ.
And don't completely dismiss SSB operations. All modes can be satisfying. I'm sure you'd make a lot of new friends.

But I'm curious: You are listening "5 kc/s up" from what frequency?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

KL7AJ
07-05-2007, 03:39 PM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 04 2007,09:44)]
Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ July 04 2007,09:17)]
Quote[/b] (KC9KXW @ July 02 2007,16:03)]OH what "Mr. Hertz" must be thinking, he has to be "rolling over in his grave right about now".....:laugh: #
And how at many hertz is Herr Hertz rotating? #I'll bet he's glad he's passe or his hertzian head would hurt.

I'm rather saddened to see this discussion between SVD adn DPO. #Both gentlemen are very knowledgeable, have been generous sources of information and both are very clearly hams in the true spirit of ham radio. #

Sure we all knew/know what "60 cycles" means. # It is true though that officialdom requires precision and "hertz" hurts less than "cycles per second."

Eric, I looked for your book last evening in B&N in Tampa. # It was not to be found. # I hope that just means you're popular in Tampa. #

And I'm still listening five kc up.
Christopher,
# #(Or do you prefer Chris?)
# #Thank you. #I'm sure DPO is also quite knowedgeable, but when comments turn to personal attacks, well... things can turn a bit ugly. #(Unfortunately, he has carried his derogatory comments to other forums as well.)

# #The whole point is that standardization on an international scale was a good thing, and removed any question about frequency. #While I will agree that we hams understood an implied "per second," it wasn't always apparent to others, even those with a scientific background NOT in electronics/RF. #The redesignation of the measurement unit of frequency to the SI term of Hz, defined as "cycles per second" #was supposed to remove ALL confusion.

# #BTW, sorry I'm not close enough to help you get some wire in the air when you need help. #I'm sure you will be able to recruit an able force. #Good luck. #You too have been a generous, knowledgeable, #and invaluable contributor to the forums at QRZ.
# #And don't completely dismiss SSB operations. #All modes can be satisfying. #I'm sure you'd make a lot of new friends.

# #But I'm curious: #You are listening "5 kc/s up" from what frequency?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
This whole thread Hertz my head!

WA9SVD
07-05-2007, 04:21 PM
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 04 2007,09:38)]
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 04 2007,10:13)]Either I didn't make myself clear, or you misunderstood...

I only considered material "lost" in terms of access via the Internet. It just requires a little more effort to actually go to a library. And I agree with you, that too many people accept only what is available online as the only source of information in existence. In all reality, the resources available online are probably only a small percentage of the actual knowlwdge base in existence.
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Horses? Neigh!
Occasionally anyway
But mostly they just wander 'round
Eating grass - and sometimes hay
How profound.

Taking poetic license of course. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
'SVD:

Yes, I did misunderstand, and I apologize if it seems I cast you as a nefarious antagonist, for such was not my intent.


Now about hijacking my (copyrighted) Dale-Ku: http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Feel free and thank you! And have a happy Fourth of July! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Dale:

Oh DARN!

I was just hoping to become an antagonist (nefarious or otherwise) in Eric's novel. Or maybe even a protagonist.
Heck, I'd settle for being a mere agonist of any flavour! <GRIN>
(ERIC! ARE you listening???)
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No problem, and no apology needed. I'll probably be off to the the library myself tomorrow AM to delve into the dusty QST archives for a few VOX construction articles from the '60s to use for a PSK interface. (Seems some electronics never change!)

KL7AJ
07-05-2007, 05:27 PM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 05 2007,09:21)]
Quote[/b] (ab1ga @ July 04 2007,09:38)]
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 04 2007,10:13)]Either I didn't make myself clear, or you misunderstood...

# #I only considered material "lost" in terms of access via the Internet. #It just requires a little more effort to actually go to a library. #And I agree with you, that too many people accept only what is available online as the only source of information in existence. #In all reality, the resources available online are probably only a small percentage of the actual knowlwdge base in existence.
=====

Horses? Neigh!
Occasionally anyway
But mostly they just wander 'round
Eating grass - and sometimes hay
How profound.

# #Taking poetic license of course. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
'SVD:

Yes, I did misunderstand, and I apologize if it seems I cast you as a nefarious antagonist, for such was not my intent.


Now about hijacking my (copyrighted) Dale-Ku: #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Feel free and thank you! And have a happy Fourth of July! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Dale:

# #Oh DARN!

# #I was just hoping to become an antagonist (nefarious or otherwise) in Eric's novel. #Or maybe even a protagonist.
# Heck, I'd settle for being a mere agonist of any flavour! #<GRIN>
(ERIC! #ARE you listening???)
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No problem, and no apology needed. #I'll probably be off to the the library myself tomorrow AM to delve into the dusty QST archives for a few VOX construction articles from the '60s to use for a PSK interface. # (Seems some electronics never change!)
I'm always listening!

Buy my book and figure out what sorta agonist you want to be. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

KL7AJ
07-05-2007, 05:33 PM
This is from my prequel to Plasma Dreams, called Steel Stonehenge. Just for jollies.



CHAPTER TWO
Another Day in Paradise


Lisa Tang aimed her hastily-rented metallic green Geo Metro toward the east and prayed for the best. She had been in Alaska precisely forty-five minutes, and she had already accumulated a number of reasons to dislike the place. It had been bad enough that Dr. Wu had “forgotten” to make arrangements to pick her up at Fairbanks International Airport that afternoon. The flight from Los Angeles had been abominable; an uncanny sequence of mechanical problems had delayed each of three connecting flights. She couldn't help but wonder what she had done to so offend the transportation gods.
She was relieved to be finally on Terra Firma, as bizarre as the terrain was to her Southern California sensibilities. A featureless, barren expanse of taiga stretched endlessly before her, the only indication of human habitation being the strip of asphalt known as Chena Hot Springs Road she tentatively navigated through the wilderness. The only encouraging sign was the word “Hot” in Chena Hot Springs Road. Everything in her surroundings seemed so desolate and cold. To the best of her knowledge, late August officially qualified as summer, at least at UCLA, but there was no indication that such was the case here, wherever “here” was. The few birch trees interspersed with the incredibly scraggly evergreens were totally bare, and a perverse and slippery slime of prematurely dead yellow leaves covered the roadway.
Although she had suspected that intense scientific study of an arctic phenomenon such as the Aurora Borealis might eventually require her to actually go where auroras occurred, there had previously been a comfortable chasm between the theory and the reality. Now she realized her reality check had bounced. For the next several years, the arctic would be her domain.
“What was I thinking?!” Lisa lamented toward a most unsympathetic dashboard. “The things people will do for a Ph.D.!”
The vast, daunting Chena Valley lay before her. Dr. Wu had assured her that the Ionoprobe Arctic Research Facility was only thirty-five miles from downtown Fairbanks. As she navigated along Chena Hot Springs Road, she suspected that “mile” might have been a rather poetic interpretation of distance. She had been driving for twenty minutes, and the scenery hadn't changed one iota. Despite her misgivings about a choice of career, she had to admit that there was a peculiar, stark beauty to the wilderness; a universe so different from anything she had ever encountered, that she wondered if the laws of gravity still applied.
While cruising along one particularly straight stretch of road, she noticed a subtle change in the handling of the Metro, a barely perceptible pull to the right, which she guessed was caused by a slight slant to the road. She grasped the steering wheel a bit tighter, and continued on her white-knuckled way. When, after a few miles the sensation failed to subside, but rather increased, she had to draw the revolting conclusion that a tire was going flat.
“Just my luck!” she whined again at her dashboard. She slowed and eased the car onto the gravel shoulder, alongside a natural hedge of what appeared to be some kind of man eating shrub, the only actual green flora she had seen since her arrival in the state.
She scanned the terrain for evidence of lurking grizzly bears, decided that she was in no imminent danger of loss of limb, popped open the trunk, and unloaded its contents into her back seat, loathe to mar her new navy blue luggage on the gravel. She removed the carpet and false floor of the trunk, only to discover to her delight that there was no spare tire, no jack, and no lug wrench. The initial disbelief that a car rental company could be so incompetent as to rent out a car without such vital items quickly mutated into the genuine panic that such a situation called for. Although she had undergone an extensive arctic survival training course months before her arrival, she had no idea she's need those skills so soon. After taking stock of her situation, she suppressed her inclination to fling a few non-Baptist and unladylike epithets across the taiga. A still small voice told her to conserve her energies for survival rather than retribution toward the car rental idiots.
After a while, it occurred to her that this was not the San Diego Freeway; she hadn't seen another vehicle in twenty miles. She weighed two choices, neither of which was appealing. Although, in theory, she was much closer to Ionoprobe than to Fairbanks, she had no real assurance that the mysterious research facility actually existed. Although Fairbanks was twenty miles back, she at least knew there was some semblance of civilization there. After some internal deliberation, she opted for Fairbanks. At least she had the foresight to purchase a parka before her adventure. She felt assured that, at the very least, the odd bear she might encounter along the way would be assured of a warm meal. She hoisted her larger suitcase onto the trunk of the Metro, unzipped it, retrieved her new fluorescent magenta Arctic Parka, and a packet of dried fruit and nuts.
As she fastened her suitcase and braced herself for her long trek, she thought she heard a mechanical sound in the distance. It sounded like neither lion, nor tiger, nor bear. Hope tingled through her being, like carbonated blood in her veins. She froze in silence, training her ears for the sound, which definitely seemed to be getting louder. It was coming from the general direction of the mythical Ionoprobe. Lisa squinted down the road, and spotted on the horizon, a brownish object bobbing toward her like a buoy on a gently swelling sea. Soon enough, she would learn if the legendary arctic hospitality about which Jack London had written had any basis in reality.
The vague form of an ancient, hulking station wagon with really bad shocks began to come into focus, perhaps a half-mile away. It sounded like it was running on about five cylinders, but from Lisa's perspective, a choir of angels couldn't have sounded lovelier.
Lisa quivered with anticipation as the station wagon barreled toward her; suddenly she realized the old bucket of bolts was really moving. When she realized the motorist was probably going to blast past her like a cat out of a Jacuzzi, her heart sank to her knobby knees. “So much for Alaskan hospitality,” she muttered to herself.
No sooner had the station wagon sailed by her, at a good seventy miles an hour, than there ensued a horrific screech of rubber on asphalt that lasted a good ten seconds. To her amazement, the station wagon, a full five hundred feet past her, suddenly reversed, and wove precariously back toward her at nearly the same speed. Lisa stared with timid curiosity as the driver, a woman of some Asian or Indian origin, parked her growling station wagon in the middle of the road, a cloud of burnt-rubber smoke still belching out of the wheel wells.
The woman leaned out the window. “I saw your bags on ground, and decided you were not just pickin' blueberries.”
Lisa found herself intrigued by the woman. She had an accent that seemed decidedly Scandinavian, although her features were quite clearly Asian. Lisa guessed she was some kind of Eskimo or something, but her speech was not at all like she would have expected. The woman emerged from the station wagon and stood up, taking a casual, almost reverential gaze across the taiga. She was a monster of a woman, at least six-foot-two. Her upper arms were as big around as Lisa's thighs; intricate geometrical designs, like some kind of maze, were tattooed on her arms from her wrists to her armpits. She had long, narrow, slanted black eyes, shoulder-length, perfectly straight, blue-black hair. A not-too-faint mustache, sort of a Fu Manchu, draped over the corners of her mouth. She was strikingly beautiful in a scary sort of way.
Lisa approached her cautiously. “Um. You wouldn't have a spare tire on you by any chance?”
The woman gazed critically at Lisa's Metro. “I do, but I don't think this would fit.” She circled the stranded vehicle slowly, then knelt by the flat tire, placing her immense hands on either side of the wheel. There was little doubt in Lisa's mind that the woman could have changed the tire without benefit of a jack or a lug wrench, but even brute strength would be of little value in this situation.
Unexpectedly, the woman bowed her head, and began to speak in some sort of strange language, which Lisa guessed was either Eskimo, Indian, or Martian. Then, just as suddenly, she began speaking in that odd Scandinavian-English accent.
“Tire, in the name of Jesus, I command you to be healed!” She then removed her hands from the tire, rose to her feet, and calmly returned to her station wagon.
Lisa was too shocked to speak, as the woman revved her engine a few times, and blasted off toward Fairbanks. She stared at the rapidly retreating station wagon in disbelief and disgust. She finally was able to vocalize her thoughts, now that nobody was around to hear them.
“What sort of smart-assed people live in this stupid place, anyway?!” She didn't know whether to laugh or cry. She decided to resume her original course of action, and hike back to Fairbanks. She gathered her parka and her dried fruit packs, opened her trunk, and flung her suitcases into it with disgust. She slammed the trunk lid and decided to give the Metro one swift kick in the right rear tire just for the grief it had caused her. She approached the offending tire, drew her foot back, and then froze in shocked disbelief.
The tire was fully inflated.

WA9SVD
07-05-2007, 07:03 PM
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 05 2007,08:39)][
This whole thread Hertz my head!
Just don't let it go to your head. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Keep the chapters coming!

(And I STILL want to be an agonist of some sort before this is all over!) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

WA9SVD
07-05-2007, 07:07 PM
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 05 2007,10:27)][

Buy my book and figure out what sorta agonist you want to be. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Thanks, but I'm not sure your reply settles any angst on my part. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

WA9SVD
07-05-2007, 07:13 PM
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 05 2007,10:33)]This is from my prequel to Plasma Dreams, called Steel Stonehenge. Just for jollies.
Gee, Eric.

you are stealing some ideas from my own novel:


"Plasmid Dreams. A story of molecular biology for fun and profit." http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

KC9KXW
07-05-2007, 07:20 PM
This thread is just like the "Energizer Bunny", it keeps going and going and going and going......

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

KL7AJ
07-05-2007, 07:23 PM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 05 2007,12:13)]# #you are stealing some ideas from my own novel:
I doubt that. I wrote this in 1987!

WA2ZDY
07-05-2007, 09:30 PM
SVD, thank you for your kind words.

As for getting a wire up, yes, AE4FA has been recruiting locals for me on 40 phone. When I have the wire, coax and weatherproof box for the SGC230, I'm sure it'll all work out. All good things in due time.

WA9SVD
07-06-2007, 08:13 AM
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 05 2007,12:23)]
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 05 2007,12:13)] you are stealing some ideas from my own novel:
I doubt that. I wrote this in 1987!
But MY original ideas are a few hundred thousand cell divisions prior to YOUR writings. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

And I have the lab notes to prove it! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Here's a teaser from MY novel:


"Step away from the microscope, Dr. Gwozdz. Step away and nobody gets hurt. If your organism hasn't escaped this level, we can ALL leave BioLevel 4 quarantine in a few weeks..."

And not for the squeamish, MY novel includes bacterial sex, and scenes of antibody violence, and even acts of cellular self destruction. A real thriller par excellance.

WA9SVD
07-06-2007, 08:40 AM
Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ July 05 2007,14:30)]SVD, thank you for your kind words.

As for getting a wire up, yes, AE4FA has been recruiting locals for me on 40 phone. When I have the wire, coax and weatherproof box for the SGC230, I'm sure it'll all work out. All good things in due time.
Christopher,

Let us know when you are up and running on 40 meters, even if it's on SSB ands not your preferred mode. I'd consider it an honor and a privilege to work you from my own station or our club station. Keep us informed of your operational status!

KE5FRY
07-06-2007, 09:21 PM
I was teaching at the Fleet Sonar School in Key West 1968-1970. One of the instructors had a joke lesson where he was teaching the students how to convert from cycles to Hertz by multiplying by 1 and Hertz to cycles by dividing by one. Half the time they would have it note form by the time they got the joke.

KL7AJ
07-06-2007, 09:28 PM
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 06 2007,01:13)]
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ July 05 2007,12:23)]
Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 05 2007,12:13)] # you are stealing some ideas from my own novel:
I doubt that. #I wrote this in 1987!
But MY original ideas are a few hundred thousand cell divisions prior to YOUR writings. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #

# #And I have the lab notes to prove it! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

# #Here's a teaser from MY novel:


# #"Step away from the microscope, Dr. Gwozdz. #Step away and nobody gets hurt. #If your organism hasn't escaped this level, we can ALL leave BioLevel 4 quarantine in a few weeks..."

# #And not for the squeamish, MY novel includes bacterial sex, and #scenes of antibody violence, and even acts of cellular self destruction. #A real thriller par excellance.
My Webpage (http://ericnichols.net)

See what's happnin' wif the movie. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

K4EEZ
07-07-2007, 08:36 PM
Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ June 30 2007,06:31)]To put it very briefly, (and probably echo the Wiki article ) #"Hertz" took the place of the term "cycles per second". #The term "cycles" has always been used, and commonly understood as "cycles PER SECOND", but NOT emphatically stated as such. # Therefore 60 cycle AC could have meant 60 cycles per second, minute, hour, day. . . . you get the idea ! # So they decided to state catagorically that "Hertz" stood for so many cycles PER SECOND ! #

A bit silly, I believe! # But PC anyway ! # #73, Jim
hey Jim
When I was in college, I remembered a saying but i can remember it, you can get hertz if you fall of a cycle but... and i cant remember the rest... sorry. wonder if any else can remember it?

WA9SVD
07-07-2007, 08:49 PM
Actually, many times I prefer to describe frequency in "furlongs per fortnight."
Right now, I'm trying to figure out how to put up a 1.0 Megafurlong/fortnight (1.0 Mfu/fn) antenna. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

KC9KXX
07-07-2007, 09:09 PM
Hi, all. First time posting here, but I had to comment!

I am KC9KXW's wife and never imagined his simple little question would turn to "novel proportions" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Keep on going, guys and gals! He's just thrilled at the fact that this keeps on going, and going, and going, and going....

73
Diana

WA9SVD
07-07-2007, 09:15 PM
Quote[/b] (KC9KXX @ July 07 2007,14:09)]Hi, all. First time posting here, but I had to comment!

I am KC9KXW's wife and never imagined his simple little question would turn to "novel proportions" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Keep on going, guys and gals! He's just thrilled at the fact that this keeps on going, and going, and going, and going....

73
Diana
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