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Ron Paul exposes the fallacies of the Iraqi War and the underlying problems with the "logic" given as explanation:
* Ron Paul: Educating Rudy * (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xcQQ05XtAQ4)
k9kjm
06-30-2007, 07:41 AM
Ron Paul has my vote! #
And makes more real sense than all the rest of the candidates combined! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
N1LAF
06-30-2007, 02:34 PM
Ron Paul appears to be the most conservative candidate also. Do you know where he stands? Let me help...
Ron Paul (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/) on the issues
Debt and Taxes - Working Americans like lower taxes. So do I. Lower taxes benefit all of us, creating jobs and allowing us to make more decisions for ourselves about our lives.
American Independence and Sovereignty - So called free trade deals and world governmental organizations like the International Criminal Court (ICC), NAFTA, GATT, WTO, and CAFTA are a threat to our independence as a nation.
War and Foreign Policy - The war in Iraq was sold to us with false information. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it.
Life and Liberty - The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideals of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.
Border Security and Immigration Reform - The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now.
Privacy and Personal Liberty - The biggest threat to your privacy is the government. We must drastically limit the ability of government to collect and store data regarding citizens’ personal matters. We must stop the move toward a national ID card system.
Property Rights and Eminent Domain - We must stop special interests from violating property rights and literally driving families from their homes, farms and ranches.
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Are you ready to 'endorse' him? Or are you using him (and this one issue) as your personal political weapon?
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Lets look at history, and see how some of the historical events plays into the situation we have today.
During the Pre-Carter Presidency, Both the US and USSR were trying to influence nations in the middle east. The Arab nations used this 'posturing' between the two super powers for their advantage. Some aligned with the USSR, some with the US, and most others neutral, but still benefited. This is the way it was.
During the Ford, Carter Administration, The USSR 'sensed' some weakness in the US policy due to the distractions of internal US political scandals (Watergate), and escalated the 'influence' war. These Administrations witnessed several countries falling to communism or Marxist-like regimes, such as Afghanistan(1979), Ethiopia(1974), and Grenada(1979).
Soviet and Cuban forces and weapons came to the aid of Ethiopia. The Somali Army was decimated and, soon, defeated. During the Soviet and Cuban intervention, Somalia sought the help of the United States. The Carter Administration originally expressed interest in helping Somalia and then later declined. American allies in the Middle East and Asia also refused to assist Somalia. The Americans perhaps did not want to engage the Soviets in this period of détente. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia)
The Iran situation did not help the US, with hostages taken and the failure of the rescue attempt further illustrated our weakness in foreign policy.
This weakness was turned around by the Reagan Administration. The libs will cry and flame him, but above all else, and history shows this, the weakness ended, confidence restored, the military restored, and the foundations were in place that brought the eventual fall of the USSR. And this was done without the start of World War III, as some libs said Reagan was going to get us into.
The extremists were already on their way in Iran, started during the Carter Administration. The second front started with Afghanistan, when Carter Administration began to aid the Mujahideen forces through Pakistan as part of the Cold War strategy. The Russian forces pulled out of Afghanistan in 1989. Chaos and corruption continued in Afghanistan, and in turn spawned the rise of the Taliban, which then captured the capital city, Kabul, in 1996.
Al-Qaeda began from an off-shoot of a Mujahadeen organization in Afghanistan. Bin Laden got involved with this group, and started his own little private army.
In 1990, Bin Laden offered his mujahedeen forces to King Fahd to protect Saudi Arabia from the Iraqi army. King Fahd refused to listen to Bin Laden, and opted instead to allow US and Allied forces to deploy on Saudi Territory. This 'insult' to Bin Laden began the operations against the US.
In 1993, al-Qaeda associate Ramzi Yousef used a truck bomb to attack the World Trade Center in New York City. The attack killed six people, injured 1,042, and caused nearly $300 million in property damage, but did not destroy the complex. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qaeda)In 1996, al-Qaeda announced its jihad to expel foreign troops and interests from what they felt were Islamic lands. Bin Laden issued a fatwa,[48] which amounted to a public declaration of war against the United States and any of its allies, and began to focus al-Qaeda's resources towards attacking the United States and its interests.
On February 23, 1998, Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, a leader of Egyptian Islamic Jihad, along with three other Islamist leaders, co-signed and issued a fatwa (binding religious edict) under the banner of the World Islamic Front for Jihad Against the Jews and Crusaders
1998 was also the year of the first major terrorist attack reliably attributed to al-Qaeda- the U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa, resulting in upward of 300 deaths, mostly locals
October 2000, al-Qaeda militants in Yemen bombed the missile destroyer U.S.S. Cole in a suicide attack, killing 17 U.S. servicemen and damaging the vessel while it lay offshore. Inspired by the success of such a brazen attack, al-Qaeda's command core began to prepare for an attack on the United States itself.
The September 11, 2001 attacks are attributed by most observers to al-Qaeda, acting in accord with the 1998 fatwa issued against the United States and its allies by bin Laden, al-Zawahiri, and others.[51] Evidence points to suicide squads led by al-Qaeda operative Mohammed Atta as the culprits of the attacks, with bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and Hambali as the key planners. (End of Wikipedia quote)
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This disputes Ron Paul's assertions that the occupation is what is causing terrorism. It started long ago by Bin Laden himself. The US was invited in to intervene in Kuwait, by the Saudi's, and multiple attacks occurred before any post 2000 'occupation'.
Remember, Neville Chamberlain tried appeasement with Hitler, and failed.
Quote[/b] ]The extremists were already on their way in Iran, started during the Carter Administration. The second front started with Afghanistan, when Carter Administration began to aid the Mujahideen forces through Pakistan as part of the Cold War strategy. The Russian forces pulled out of Afghanistan in 1989. Chaos and corruption continued in Afghanistan, and in turn spawned the rise of the Taliban, which then captured the capital city, Kabul, in 1996.
The entire post seems to be one of those anti-democrat, republican-apologist web-mails that conveniently attenuates some facts while amplifying others. In the extracted portion above, the failure of Reagan and Bush 1 in Afghanistan is hidden by sleight of word.
Quote[/b] ]This disputes Ron Paul's assertions that the occupation is what is causing terrorism. It started long ago by Bin Laden himself. The US was invited in to intervene in Kuwait, by the Saudi's, and multiple attacks occurred before any post 2000 'occupation'.
Uh, actually, it reinforces Ron Paul's assertion that our massive meddling in foreign intrigue has made us target #1 in the sight of many disgruntled parties around the World.
kc2orw
06-30-2007, 02:58 PM
I in part agree with Ron Paul but I am not going to offer up any disputes.
I am more surprised that he hasn't gained more traction with the party as he doesn't seem like a kook to me.
Oh well as usual they expect us to accept what they select for us. To bad it really is time to find another peoples candidate. I really hate the syndrome of "It's Hillary or another pre-selected Republican dud". Might have to pull the Capital L (Libertarian) lever and throw another vote away unless a lot of people chose to pull that lever on election day. I sure won't pull the Hillary lever as that would be following the script they selected for us...
N1LAF
06-30-2007, 03:00 PM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,07:47)]Quote[/b] ]The extremists were already on their way in Iran, started during the Carter Administration. The second front started with Afghanistan, when Carter Administration began to aid the Mujahideen forces through Pakistan as part of the Cold War strategy. The Russian forces pulled out of Afghanistan in 1989. Chaos and corruption continued in Afghanistan, and in turn spawned the rise of the Taliban, which then captured the capital city, Kabul, in 1996.
The entire post seems to be one of those anti-democrat, republican-apologist web-mails that conveniently attenuates some facts while amplifying others. In the extracted portion above, the failure of Reagan and Bush 1 in Afghanistan is hidden by sleight of word.
Quote[/b] ]This disputes Ron Paul's assertions that the occupation is what is causing terrorism. It started long ago by Bin Laden himself. The US was invited in to intervene in Kuwait, by the Saudi's, and multiple attacks occurred before any post 2000 'occupation'.
Uh, actually, it reinforces Ron Paul's assertion that our massive meddling in foreign intrigue has made us target #1 in the sight of many disgruntled parties around the World.
Facts are facts. If Ford was elected, it would have (Iran situation) be the Ford Administration. The Reagan Administration not only continued the arming of the Mujahideen, but escalated the effort.
I could also pointed that the attacks against the US in the 90's during the Clinton Administration, the build up to 9/11, but these attacks was not from weakness, but we were still trying to connect the dots.
The point here was the cause and effect of foreign policy weakness.
Having military bases in other countries are not necessarily 'occupation'. We have bases in the UK, are they being 'occupied'? So, to me, it does not reinforce Ron Paul's policy.
Also, I don't apologize for anyone.
N1LAF
06-30-2007, 03:06 PM
Quote[/b] (kc2orw @ June 30 2007,07:58)]I in part agree with Ron Paul but I am not going to offer up any disputes.
I am more surprised that he hasn't gained more traction with the party as he doesn't seem like a kook to me.
Oh well as usual they expect us to accept what they select for us. To bad it really is time to find another peoples candidate. I really hate the syndrome of "It's Hillary or another pre-selected Republican dud". Might have to pull the Capital L (Libertarian) lever and throw another vote away unless a lot of people chose to pull that lever on election day. I sure won't pull the Hillary lever as that would be following the script they selected for us...
I am also surprised he doesn't have more traction. Read his 'Issues' page and they are right on target.
I only dispute this one little issue, not the rest of the candidate.
w4wtf
06-30-2007, 03:27 PM
Our bases in other countries, or other policies, are not the cause of Islamic extremism or Islamic terrorism.
They are excuses, used sometimes in the media, to justify thier actions. But not the root cause.
If that was the root cause, shiites and sunni's wouldn't blow each other up. If that was the root cause countries like Jordan would not have terrorists attacking them.
If that were the root cause, militant Islamists would only attack the US and our allies.
The root cause is a large, militant sect of Islam that seeks to force thier religion upon everyone in the word and creat a one-world Islamic government by any means nessecary.
http://www.omdurman.org/butcher_kafirs.jpg
http://www.omdurman.org/europe_cancer.jpg
http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/images/islam_will_dominate_1.jpg
http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/images/whoever_insults_a_prophet_kill_him.jpg
http://www.gothamist.com/attachments/garth/2006_07_23_dominate.jpg
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam1.jpg
The enemy we face, and the root cause of terrorism, are from the desire to force religous beliefs upon us, nothing else.
Failure to undertsand this is complete and utter failure to understand the issue, usually because one has taken the enemies propaganda and swallowed it without studying the real issues and real situation.
kc2orw
06-30-2007, 03:28 PM
Ron Paul is a real outsider in the party so he may not be as well informed. Take it this way they are hiding or obscuring the facts from him to because he is an outsider. I figure if he ever had all the real facts he would adjust what he is saying to fit the new knowledge. That or he might be sick to his stomach with all the problems that need to be dealt with?
I would say that he is mostly right and I like his outsiders position if we could get him in that would be great we might have real government and not the scripted fantasies that we are getting now from both parties.
I figure most people don't like the reality and vote for their preferred fantasy.
Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ June 30 2007,07:00)]The point here was the cause and effect of foreign policy weakness.
I agree. Not only was it incredibly dumb for Reagan to send marines to Lebanon, but it was outrageous that he sent the USA into wholesale retreat when more than two hundred marines were killed by terrorists. If not Vietnam, then Lebanon set the pattern.
w4wtf
06-30-2007, 03:57 PM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,08:51)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ June 30 2007,07:00)]The point here was the cause and effect of foreign policy weakness.
I agree. #Not only was it incredibly dumb for Reagan to send marines to Lebanon, but it was outrageous that he sent the USA into wholesale retreat when more than two hundred marines were killed by terrorists. #If not Vietnam, then Lebanon set the pattern.
I agree.
Lebanon, then only partial defeat of Iraq in the first Gulf war, then Somalia, set the pattern that the US would always back down.
Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,07:27)]Our bases in other countries, or other policies, are not the cause of Islamic extremism or Islamic terrorism.
They are excuses, used sometimes in the media, to justify thier actions. But not the root cause.
If that was the root cause, shiites and sunni's wouldn't blow each other up. If that was the root cause countries like Jordan would not have terrorists attacking them.
If that were the root cause, militant Islamists would only attack the US #and our allies.
The root cause is a large, militant sect of Islam that seeks to force thier religion upon everyone in the word and creat a one-world Islamic government by any means nessecary.
http://www.omdurman.org/butcher_kafirs.jpg
http://www.omdurman.org/europe_cancer.jpg
http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/images/islam_will_dominate_1.jpg
http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/images/whoever_insults_a_prophet_kill_him.jpg
http://www.gothamist.com/attachments/garth/2006_07_23_dominate.jpg
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam1.jpg
The enemy we face, and the root cause of terrorism, are from the desire to force religous beliefs upon us, nothing else.
Failure to undertsand this is complete and utter failure to understand the issue, usually because one has taken the enemies propaganda and swallowed it without studying the real issues and real situation.
Photoshop nonsense.
You're embarrassing yourself...
You and LAF need to stop being email junkies...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Unfortunately, the USA will back down yet again from yet another no-win situation in Iraq.
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ June 30 2007,08:05)]Photoshop nonsense.
Some of those hand-held signs were from the Islamic Thinkers Society (http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php) and appear to be legitimate.
N1LAF
06-30-2007, 05:26 PM
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ June 30 2007,09:05)]Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,07:27)]Our bases in other countries, or other policies, are not the cause of Islamic extremism or Islamic terrorism.
They are excuses, used sometimes in the media, to justify thier actions. But not the root cause.
If that was the root cause, shiites and sunni's wouldn't blow each other up. If that was the root cause countries like Jordan would not have terrorists attacking them.
If that were the root cause, militant Islamists would only attack the US and our allies.
The root cause is a large, militant sect of Islam that seeks to force thier religion upon everyone in the word and creat a one-world Islamic government by any means nessecary.
*Images edited out for relief*
The enemy we face, and the root cause of terrorism, are from the desire to force religous beliefs upon us, nothing else.
Failure to undertsand this is complete and utter failure to understand the issue, usually because one has taken the enemies propaganda and swallowed it without studying the real issues and real situation.
Photoshop nonsense.
You're embarrassing yourself...
You and LAF need to stop being email junkies...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
This post dismissed for nonsense and lack of substance
kc2orw
06-30-2007, 05:33 PM
Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ June 30 2007,05:26)]This post dismissed for nonsense and lack of substance
You could do us all a favor and edit the quoted portion too. It is really a drag to look at the carte blanche quote with the graphics over and over again. Such things might cause folks to dismiss your postings too...
It really isn't that hard to edit down the quoted section I just did it.
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w4wtf
06-30-2007, 05:42 PM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,10:02)]Quote[/b] (nx6d @ June 30 2007,08:05)]Photoshop nonsense.
Some of those hand-held signs were from the Islamic Thinkers Society (http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php) and appear to be legitimate.
It is easier for guys like XD to stick thier head in the sand and dismiss anything they don't like without bothering to actually look into the facts.
The pictures are legit. To dismiss them or the ideals and sentiment that drives these radicals to believe this way is to make a choice to remain ignorant.
XD has shown what his choice indeed is.
N1LAF
06-30-2007, 05:51 PM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,08:51)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ June 30 2007,07:00)]The point here was the cause and effect of foreign policy weakness.
I agree. Not only was it incredibly dumb for Reagan to send marines to Lebanon, but it was outrageous that he sent the USA into wholesale retreat when more than two hundred marines were killed by terrorists. If not Vietnam, then Lebanon set the pattern.
This is a good point, because of the parallels with Vietnam, more so than Iraq. Basically, we went in to support the existing government (like with Vietnam). We left after the collapse of the Lebanese government.
Reagan Diary:Quote[/b] ]" N. S. C. (National Security Council) is meeting . . . on Lebanon re a new cable from Bud McFarlane. Troops obviously PLO and Syrian have launched a new attack against the Lebanese Army. Our problem is do we expand our mission to aid the Lebanese Army with artillery and air support? This could be seen as putting us in the war."
The pull out could be the lessons learned from Vietnam, knowing when to leave. We should not be in the business of nation building, nor should we force western style democracy on people who do not want it.
Good reading: Lebanon: 1982-1984 (http://www.rand.org/pubs/conf_proceedings/CF129/CF-129.chapter6.html) and Reagan Orders Marines Out of Lebanon (http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id413.htm)
Another lessons learned is to have a clear mission before going in.
End result here is also sign of weakness. Despite signs of weakness, at least we got out at the beginning instead of getting involved in a no-win situation.
N1LAF
06-30-2007, 05:55 PM
Quote[/b] (kc2orw @ June 30 2007,10:33)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ June 30 2007,05:26)]This post dismissed for nonsense and lack of substance
You could do us all a favor and edit the quoted portion too. It is really a drag to look at the carte blanche quote with the graphics over and over again. Such things might cause folks to dismiss your postings too...
It really isn't that hard to edit down the quoted section I just did it.
Cheers http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Point well taken - Done, thanks
ke7jlj
06-30-2007, 06:02 PM
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ June 30 2007,09:05)]Photoshop nonsense.
You're embarrassing yourself...
Wow.
This is quite possibly the the clearest statement of willful ignorance and blindness that I've seen in some time. Thanks for wrapping it in such a neat bundle.
w4wtf
06-30-2007, 06:29 PM
Snopes link just for NX6D. (http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/muslimprotest.asp)
n2ize
06-30-2007, 06:42 PM
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ June 30 2007,09:05)]Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,07:27)]Our bases in other countries, or other policies, are not the cause of Islamic extremism or Islamic terrorism.
They are excuses, used sometimes in the media, to justify thier actions. But not the root cause.
If that was the root cause, shiites and sunni's wouldn't blow each other up. If that was the root cause countries like Jordan would not have terrorists attacking them.
If that were the root cause, militant Islamists would only attack the US #and our allies.
The root cause is a large, militant sect of Islam that seeks to force thier religion upon everyone in the word and creat a one-world Islamic government by any means nessecary.
http://www.omdurman.org/butcher_kafirs.jpg
http://www.omdurman.org/europe_cancer.jpg
http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/images/islam_will_dominate_1.jpg
http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/images/whoever_insults_a_prophet_kill_him.jpg
http://www.gothamist.com/attachments/garth/2006_07_23_dominate.jpg
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam1.jpg
The enemy we face, and the root cause of terrorism, are from the desire to force religous beliefs upon us, nothing else.
Failure to undertsand this is complete and utter failure to understand the issue, usually because one has taken the enemies propaganda and swallowed it without studying the real issues and real situation.
Photoshop nonsense.
You're embarrassing yourself...
You and LAF need to stop being email junkies...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Are you sure they are "photoshopped". Many of these Islamic extremists are very hateful and intolerant of anyone who doesn;t think exactly the way they do. Look at the way they treat their women. They forbid them education, they force them to cover themselves in rags. They stone them to death for simple things like disobeying their husbands, having a boyfriend, etc. They hate the US and Israel and preach hate against anyone who is not their type. They would vehemently hate and condemn American liberals. They see us all as one big evil. These radical Islamics are a wicked lot. A true evil.
Notice that they condemn Europe as well as the USA and Israel ? The fact that Europe refrained from the Iraq war is not enough for these extremists. The fact that Europe allows for a relatively free and liberal society makes it evil in the minds of these extremist nuts. They have zero tolerance for open mindedness, free will, womens rights, etc. They have a rigid hierachy of who can be educated and who cannot. They have zero tolerance and condemnation for anyone who deviates from their way of thinking.
w4wtf
06-30-2007, 07:11 PM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ June 30 2007,11:42)]Are you sure they are "photoshopped". Many of these Islamic extremists are very hateful and intolerant of anyone who doesn;t think exactly the way they do. Look at the way they treat their women. They forbid them education, they force them to cover themselves in rags. They stone them to death for simple things like disobeying their husbands, having a boyfriend, etc. They hate the US and Israel and preach hate against anyone who is not their type. They would vehemently hate and condemn American liberals. They see us all as one big evil. These radical Islamics are a wicked lot. A true evil.
Notice that they condemn Europe as well as the USA and Israel ? The fact that Europe refrained from the Iraq war is not enough for these extremists. The fact that Europe allows for a relatively free and liberal society makes it evil in the minds of these extremist nuts. They have zero tolerance for open mindedness, free will, womens rights, etc. They have a rigid hierachy of who can be educated and who cannot. They have zero tolerance and condemnation for anyone who deviates from their way of thinking.
Europe has a very large problem looming in the near future. Very lax "asylum" laws that pretty much have allowed pretty much anyone to move into thier countries, coupled with a social welfare system that allows them to not work, political correctness that has allowed and even encouraged them to not assimilate into the societies of these countries and at the same time stifled any frank and honest discussion of the problems, and an unwillingness to confont the issue head on have all created a time bomb within much of western Europe.
Great Britian, Sweden, France, and many others are just starting to wake up to the issue, and now have let it go so long they are not sure what to do. The riots in the French banlieues in 2005, violence after the publishing of the cartoons, and many more incidents are just the begining.
For those with an open mind about the issue, even if you disagree with what I posted, I highly suggest this book. (http://www.amazon.com/While-Europe-Slept-Radical-Destroying/dp/0385514727)
And while this debate goes on a flaming car was rammed into the Glasgow Airport
Check CNN.
Quote[/b] ]Photoshop nonsense.
You're embarrassing yourself...
You and LAF need to stop being email junkies...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Those images are real Dave.
There are similar photos taken at Berkley in recent years.
http://www.zombietime.com/
W8EFA
07-01-2007, 01:10 AM
This is really sad that some Americans are really this simple minded and unaware as Dave pointed out. #
WTF says that terrorists attacked us to spread Islam? # #
What a joke.
Terrorists attacked us because they think we support Israel and they don't appreciate our meddling in their conflict in their part of the world. #Anyone with a shred of common sense understands that especially Ron Paul.
Would you like me to post some pictures of some western Christian skinheads, or some Christian KKK? #There are lunatic fringes in every religion.
Only a simpleton would believe that Islam, a religion of Millions of people in the world, is the same Islam practiced by a few terrorists.
w4wtf
07-01-2007, 01:26 AM
Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ June 30 2007,18:10)]This is really sad that some Americans are really this simple minded and unaware as Dave pointed out. #
WTF says that terrorists attacked us to spread Islam? # #
What a joke.
Terrorists attacked us because they think we support Israel and they don't appreciate our meddling in their conflict in their part of the world. #Anyone with a shred of common sense understands that especially Ron Paul.
Would you like me to post some pictures of some western Christian skinheads, or some Christian KKK? #There are lunatic fringes in every religion.
Only a simpleton would believe that Islam, a religion of Millions of people in the world, #is the same Islam practiced by a few terrorists.
If support for Israel is the reason terrorists attack us, explain terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia and Jordan? The Phillipines?
Sorry, thats an excuse, but not the final reason. Were Israel wiped from the face of the earth today, do you think this would all stop? If so you are very naive.
I never said it was all muslims, in fact I know many who are far from it. Sadly, that religion, in todays times, seems more and more to be corrupted and pushed to extremes. Most estimates say its 10% that follow the extreme path.... but 10% of a billion is how many?
I have spent many, many hours studying Islam, discussing Islam with muslims, and looking at the whole picture. Have you?
Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ June 30 2007,18:10)]This is really sad that some Americans are really this simple minded and unaware as Dave pointed out.
WTF says that terrorists attacked us to spread Islam?
What a joke.
Terrorists attacked us because they think we support Israel and they don't appreciate our meddling in their conflict in their part of the world. Anyone with a shred of common sense understands that especially Ron Paul.
Would you like me to post some pictures of some western Christian skinheads, or some Christian KKK? There are lunatic fringes in every religion.
Only a simpleton would believe that Islam, a religion of Millions of people in the world, is the same Islam practiced by a few terrorists.
Read more history.
The conflict between Islam and the west goes back to the dark ages.
Read up on the first and second Muslim invasions.
To be considered tolerant, do I need to tolerate intolerance, or is this intolerable as well?
w4wtf
07-01-2007, 03:30 AM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,19:38)]To be considered tolerant, do I need to tolerate intolerance, or is this intolerable as well?
You just have to claim anything that goes against the PC line is fake or photoshopped.
You can't, however, be tolerant of the truth is it disagrees with the PC line.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d148/ku4my/im-a-chikin-lol.jpg
Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,19:30)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,19:38)]To be considered tolerant, do I need to tolerate intolerance, or is this intolerable as well?
You just have to claim anything that goes against the PC line is fake or photoshopped.
You can't, however, be tolerant of the truth is it disagrees with the PC line.
You slammed the wrong "Dave", station...
It appears I was probably wrong on my "photoshop" comment, but don't trash someone else, because you disagree with them.
That's an E ticket to "loserville".
You're probably not old enough to get the reference...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
w4wtf
07-01-2007, 03:42 AM
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ June 30 2007,20:35)]Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,19:30)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,19:38)]To be considered tolerant, do I need to tolerate intolerance, or is this intolerable as well?
You just have to claim anything that goes against the PC line is fake or photoshopped.
You can't, however, be tolerant of the truth is it disagrees with the PC line.
You slammed the wrong "Dave", station...
It appears I was probably wrong on my "photoshop" comment, but don't trash someone else, because you disagree with them. #
That's an E ticket to "loserville".
You're probably not old enough to get the reference...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
I wasn't slamming more...more of a friendly agreement about how asanine the "tolerance" agenda has gotten these days, and how hypocritical it is.
Tolerance is all well and good, so long as it doens't mean being tolerant fo unpopular ideas, for those who preach "tolerance".
With a little jab at your knee jerk reaction to ideas you didn't like thrown in.
Trust me, we can all tell the difference bewteen you and 2I.
Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,19:42)]Quote[/b] (nx6d @ June 30 2007,20:35)]Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,19:30)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,19:38)]To be considered tolerant, do I need to tolerate intolerance, or is this intolerable as well?
You just have to claim anything that goes against the PC line is fake or photoshopped.
You can't, however, be tolerant of the truth is it disagrees with the PC line.
You slammed the wrong "Dave", station...
It appears I was probably wrong on my "photoshop" comment, but don't trash someone else, because you disagree with them. #
That's an E ticket to "loserville".
You're probably not old enough to get the reference...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
I wasn't slamming more...more of a friendly agreement about how asanine the "tolerance" agenda has gotten these days, and how hypocritical it is.
Tolerance is all well and good, so long as it doens't mean being tolerant fo unpopular ideas, for those who preach "tolerance".
With a little jab at your knee jerk reaction to ideas you didn't like thrown in.
Trust me, we can all tell the difference bewteen you and 2I.
Nice Spin,
but no cigar.
It's pretty obvious what you were doing.
You make the "pathetic" list, with that little lame post...
Do you guys EVER take responsibility for anything?
Probably not.
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Quote[/b] (ku4my @ June 30 2007,19:35)]http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d148/ku4my/im-a-chikin-lol.jpg
Doh! I'll get you for that someday!
Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,19:42)]Trust me, we can all tell the difference bewteen you and 2I.
Really?
Find the Difference. (http://www.boredmuch.com/view.php?id=629)
N1LAF
07-01-2007, 12:59 PM
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ June 30 2007,21:02)]Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,19:42)]Quote[/b] (nx6d @ June 30 2007,20:35)]Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,19:30)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,19:38)]To be considered tolerant, do I need to tolerate intolerance, or is this intolerable as well?
You just have to claim anything that goes against the PC line is fake or photoshopped.
You can't, however, be tolerant of the truth is it disagrees with the PC line.
You slammed the wrong "Dave", station...
It appears I was probably wrong on my "photoshop" comment, but don't trash someone else, because you disagree with them.
That's an E ticket to "loserville".
You're probably not old enough to get the reference...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
I wasn't slamming more...more of a friendly agreement about how asanine the "tolerance" agenda has gotten these days, and how hypocritical it is.
Tolerance is all well and good, so long as it doens't mean being tolerant fo unpopular ideas, for those who preach "tolerance".
With a little jab at your knee jerk reaction to ideas you didn't like thrown in.
Trust me, we can all tell the difference bewteen you and 2I.
Nice Spin,
but no cigar.
It's pretty obvious what you were doing.
You make the "pathetic" list, with that little lame post...
Do you guys EVER take responsibility for anything?
Probably not.
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Some things never change. Does anyone think Dave will ever learn, even from his own words?
Quote[/b] ]It appears I was probably wrong on my "photoshop" comment, but don't trash someone else, because you disagree with them.
Oh really?...
Quote[/b] ]
All from Dave....
You're probably not old enough to get the reference...
You make the "pathetic" list, with that little lame post...
Do you guys EVER take responsibility for anything?
You're embarrassing yourself...
You and LAF need to stop being email junkies...
The sheep only like SAYING they do.
You've increased your propaganda spam big time just in this thread alone.
Remember, there's PLENTY of 12 step "So-called Conservative Anonymous" programs that you and NL7W can attend.
Get help. You need it.
Your idea of "balance" is presenting the right wing view. Anything else is "bias".
It it was one of your political "enemies" you'd be all over the oxycontin thing.
You guys on the right are SHAMELESS.
Good Grief, Man. The other Alaskan stations that post here regularily THINK, even though I don't agree with them most of the time. They have credibilty, you don't, with your constant parroting of the right wing company line.
Does someone pay you to do this?
That says VOLUMES about why you post the way you do.
And all of these just from two threads
Also, Dave makes unsubstantiated comments, without facts to back them up, and can never really admit when he is wrong, as evident by "It appears i was probably wrong on my photoshop comment. You were wrong. Just say it and move on.
N1LAF
07-01-2007, 01:00 PM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,23:51)]Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,19:42)]Trust me, we can all tell the difference bewteen you and 2I.
Really?
Find the Difference. (http://www.boredmuch.com/view.php?id=629)
I second w4wtf's comment.
Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ July 01 2007,09:00)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,23:51)]Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,19:42)]Trust me, we can all tell the difference bewteen you and 2I.
Really?
Find the Difference. (http://www.boredmuch.com/view.php?id=629)
I second w4wtf's comment.
It's nice to see someone who is always #2. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 02 2007,05:47)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ July 01 2007,09:00)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,23:51)]Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,19:42)]Trust me, we can all tell the difference bewteen you and 2I.
Really?
Find the Difference. (http://www.boredmuch.com/view.php?id=629)
I second w4wtf's comment.
It's nice to see someone who is always #2. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
We 2's must stick together against the assault of the other nine digits.
N1LAF
07-02-2007, 04:34 PM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 02 2007,06:47)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ July 01 2007,09:00)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,23:51)]Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,19:42)]Trust me, we can all tell the difference bewteen you and 2I.
Really?
Find the Difference. (http://www.boredmuch.com/view.php?id=629)
I second w4wtf's comment.
It's nice to see someone who is always #2. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
John, welcome back to your thread!!
Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ July 02 2007,12:34)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 02 2007,06:47)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ July 01 2007,09:00)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,23:51)]Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,19:42)]Trust me, we can all tell the difference bewteen you and 2I.
Really?
Find the Difference. (http://www.boredmuch.com/view.php?id=629)
I second w4wtf's comment.
It's nice to see someone who is always #2. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
John, welcome back to your thread!!
Glad to see it did so well while I was on Long Island.
Ron Paul may be as conservative as all of you say, but from what I'm seeing of his grasp of the situation, he's got this "Liberals" ears listening. So, what does that say of the QRZ Libbie fanboi alert system?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
N1LAF
07-03-2007, 03:18 AM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 02 2007,11:53)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ July 02 2007,12:34)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 02 2007,06:47)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ July 01 2007,09:00)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,23:51)]Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,19:42)]Trust me, we can all tell the difference bewteen you and 2I.
Really?
Find the Difference. (http://www.boredmuch.com/view.php?id=629)
I second w4wtf's comment.
It's nice to see someone who is always #2. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
John, welcome back to your thread!!
Glad to see it did so well while I was on Long Island.
Ron Paul may be as conservative as all of you say, but from what I'm seeing of his grasp of the situation, he's got this "Liberals" ears listening. So, what does that say of the QRZ Libbie fanboi alert system?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
I could care less about the Libby situation. On my scale, it isn't important. I'd rather discuss than have a flame contest, because you know I can fight back.
Let me ask you this: If Ron Paul's message is so definition conservative, why isn't he getting traction? What does he need to do to pull forward? From what I read on his website, he should have the conservatives attention.
Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ July 02 2007,23:18)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 02 2007,11:53)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ July 02 2007,12:34)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ July 02 2007,06:47)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ July 01 2007,09:00)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ June 30 2007,23:51)]Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,19:42)]Trust me, we can all tell the difference bewteen you and 2I.
Really?
Find the Difference. (http://www.boredmuch.com/view.php?id=629)
I second w4wtf's comment.
It's nice to see someone who is always #2. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
John, welcome back to your thread!!
Glad to see it did so well while I was on Long Island.
Ron Paul may be as conservative as all of you say, but from what I'm seeing of his grasp of the situation, he's got this "Liberals" ears listening. So, what does that say of the QRZ Libbie fanboi alert system?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
I could care less about the Libby situation. On my scale, it isn't important. I'd rather discuss than have a flame contest, because you know I can fight back.
Let me ask you this: If Ron Paul's message is so definition conservative, why isn't he getting traction? What does he need to do to pull forward? From what I read on his website, he should have the conservatives attention.
Maybe he needs to disassociate himself from the lunatic fringe of the neocon wing. I say that quite seriously. The word neocon has become synonymous with lies, deceit, flagrant violating the law, war, torture, rampant spending, raping the constitution and a lot of other very unattractive things. So, while he has a great message, people are so fed up with things that are conservative he has an extended uphill battle to make his point heard. Heck until recently, I didn't even think about him, but now I'm glad I did.
Right now, Republican = conservative = neocon. A lot of that is thanks to the utterly dismal administration now in office. I don't know if any candidate in either party right now can counter that overwhelming blight that has cast politics in this country to be viewed as one step from hell.
And all the fighting back isn't going to change any of that one single solitary bit. It is the history of this country for the last 6+ years. This administration came in with a bang. Let's hope it doesn't go out with one. Personally, I don't really give a rat's patootie anymore. If everybody took a few more minutes to figure things out in '04, this wouldn't be as big a problem as it is. Now, I don't see how anybody human can clear up one iota of this. Especially when the new guys are all a bunch of overrated wusses.
KI4PJW
07-03-2007, 05:29 AM
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ June 29 2007,15:05)]Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 30 2007,07:27)]Our bases in other countries, or other policies, are not the cause of Islamic extremism or Islamic terrorism.
They are excuses, used sometimes in the media, to justify thier actions. But not the root cause.
If that was the root cause, shiites and sunni's wouldn't blow each other up. If that was the root cause countries like Jordan would not have terrorists attacking them.
If that were the root cause, militant Islamists would only attack the US #and our allies.
The root cause is a large, militant sect of Islam that seeks to force thier religion upon everyone in the word and creat a one-world Islamic government by any means nessecary.
http://www.omdurman.org/butcher_kafirs.jpg
http://www.omdurman.org/europe_cancer.jpg
http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/images/islam_will_dominate_1.jpg
http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/images/whoever_insults_a_prophet_kill_him.jpg
http://www.gothamist.com/attachments/garth/2006_07_23_dominate.jpg
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam1.jpg
The enemy we face, and the root cause of terrorism, are from the desire to force religous beliefs upon us, nothing else.
Failure to undertsand this is complete and utter failure to understand the issue, usually because one has taken the enemies propaganda and swallowed it without studying the real issues and real situation.
Photoshop nonsense.
You're embarrassing yourself...
You and LAF need to stop being email junkies...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
After looking at the photos, I noticed the white guy with the "I love Allah" shirt and the "Islam will Dominate" poster. #He has a beard and glasses on.
Is this Nicholas Berg who was killed by Muslims in Iraq?
Link to pictures:
http://www.serendipity.li/iraqwar/npossum_on_berg.htm