Pirate???

[n3mqm]

I saw the call 1B1AB on one of the dx lists today. Some stated he was a pirate but he claims in his QRZ bio he's not. I'm wondering how to find his status.

[G0GQK]

Does he have a tricorn hat, a parrot on his shoulder, a wooden leg and says, Aaaaaaah, cross me palm with silver, Oh aaaa. If he does he's a pirate !

G0GQK http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[PA5COR]

Can't find any details of him looking him up, but maybe i missed something?

[wa9cwx]

OK, (donning Flame proof jacket, and BS proof raincoat)
I would say IF I worked him on CW, I would consider him a ham.(!!)

Now....Don't know if he counts at the ARRL, or IARU or not....but, as far as the MAIN ISSUE, IF he is where he says he IS, then....IN MY MIND, he isn't a Pirate... (he states in his QRZ bio he has a license issued by his Govn't, I am assuming that is true)

I don't keep up on Politics, let alone politics as it affects Ham radio, but , looks like it is a seperatist movement. Kind of like when the 4's wanted to set up their own country. The 1s, 2s, 3s, 8s, and 9s, outnumbered and out supplied and outlasted em.....and now they are just 4s.....So, will have to SEE if '1B' becomes officially 'legit'.

Work 'em FIRST, add 'em up LATER.

Let God sort it out. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w9is]

Quote[/b] (n3mqm @ June 05 2007,14:37)]I saw the call 1B1AB on one of the dx lists today. Some stated he was a pirate but he claims in his QRZ bio he's not. I'm wondering how to find his status.
An "Avarst matey prepare to be boarded" on his QSL card would be a good sign.

[w9is]

Quote[/b] (n3mqm @ June 05 2007,14:37)]I saw the call 1B1AB on one of the dx lists today. Some stated he was a pirate but he claims in his QRZ bio he's not. I'm wondering how to find his status.
Seriously, if you look at his web page here it's pretty much explained there. 1B is not a recognised prefix, the "Turkish Republic of North Cyprus" is officially Turkish occupied Cyprus, 5B, C4, H2 and P3 land. But of course the Dept of Electronic Communications, Ministry of Communications & Works cannot operate north of the Attila line. Normally the TRNC would just use Turkish channels to represent itself internationally, and Turkey could temporarily give it YM, but I think TRNC is trying to make a point and use it's own callsign, even if it doesn't belong to it.

[w3wn]

Quote[/b] (n3mqm @ June 05 2007,17:37)]I saw the call 1B1AB on one of the dx lists today. Some stated he was a pirate but he claims in his QRZ bio he's not. I'm wondering how to find his status.
I dunno. Can he play baseball?

Seriously, 1B is an official prefix used by amateurs located in those parts of Cyprus currently under Turkish control. The prefix is not issued by the ITU, and the occupation/partition of part of Cyprus by Turkey is not recognized by most of the international community. So...

No, he's not a Pirate -- in that he's not a total fraud claiming to be someone and/or somewhere he's not, in an attempt to deceive you. But he's operating from disputed territory. So his "status" is arguable.

73

[kg6top]

I want to be a pirate. ARRRR WALK THE PLANK!

[g7paf]

well i can vouch for Soyer 1b1ab

I went there last year and operated as 1b/g7paf

I will say hear and now all i wanted to do was OPERATE HAM RADIO the same as Soyer

it's one of my hobbys

the crap i took from people who would not even give there callsigns telling me i was a pirate

I had a licence issued to me by their heads of communications in TRNC

I first applied to the 5B side and they told me all is ok i should operate as 5B4/G7PAF

then at the end explained it would be a bit dangerouse as i would come to the attention of the turkish/cypriot police.

So i had to decide do i operate as 5b or 1b

having seen the film midnight express (do a google if you aint) i opted for 1b

the rest is baseball history

this is about politics and politics have no right in ham radio.

why the IARU dont see 1b as a valid prefix is beyond me

put the politics to one side and is there a voice to say no http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

DO we hear shouts of PIRATE PIRATE from the argintinians every time a VP8 station comes on air

what about serbia and croatia do they have a go at each other http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?

I could go on and on and on with examples but for some reason TRNC seems to be getting the rough end of the stone here as far as ham radio is concerned

For what it is worth while i was there i spoke with quite a few SV stations who did'nt give a hoot and were more than happy to work me much to my surprise i was geared up to have a right old ding dong with them and made to crawl back under my stone http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

so politics aside give a valid reason why 1B should not be recognised

your more than welcome to send me your answers on the back of the currency of your choosing if you dont want to say here http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Bob
G7PAF / N9YGF

[n6yg]

If this person is living in northern Cyprus and has indeed satisfied it's authorities requirement to operate as a Radio Ham then who are we to pass judgment that he is not a real ham.

Being Greek I do know a bit of the politics and history of Cyprus. It's an unfortunate situation for both the Greek and Turkish residents. We here on the Zed as well as Hams on the air don't need to make it any more difficult.

[w9is]

Quote[/b] (g7paf @ June 06 2007,02:15)]well i can vouch for Soyer 1b1ab

I went there last year and operated as 1b/g7paf

I will say hear and now all i wanted to do was OPERATE HAM RADIO the same as Soyer

it's one of my hobbys

the crap i took from people who would not even give there callsigns telling me i was a pirate

I had a licence issued to me by their heads of communications in TRNC

I first applied to the 5B side and they told me all is ok i should operate as 5B4/G7PAF

then at the end explained it would be a bit dangerouse as i would come to the attention of the turkish/cypriot police.

So i had to decide do i operate as 5b or 1b

having seen the film midnight express (do a google if you aint) i opted for 1b

the rest is baseball history

this is about politics and politics have no right in ham radio.

why the IARU dont see 1b as a valid prefix is beyond me

put the politics to one side and is there a voice to say no http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

DO we hear shouts of PIRATE PIRATE from the argintinians every time a VP8 station comes on air

what about serbia and croatia do they have a go at each other http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?

I could go on and on and on with examples but for some reason TRNC seems to be getting the rough end of the stone here as far as ham radio is concerned

For what it is worth while i was there i spoke with quite a few SV stations who did'nt give a hoot and were more than happy to work me much to my surprise i was geared up to have a right old ding dong with them and made to crawl back under my stone http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

so politics aside give a valid reason why 1B should not be recognised

your more than welcome to send me your answers on the back of the currency of your choosing if you dont want to say here http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Bob
G7PAF / N9YGF
1B is not issued by the ITU, the TRNC is no recognised by the international community as a country, it is illegally occupied territory, the Turkish military do not have a legal right to be on Cyprus. Why do you think all mail to the TRNC goes through Mercin in Turkey? Because the IPU does not recognise TRNC as a country. The same should be done for amateur radio, they should operate with Turkish callsigns until such time as the Cyprus question is answered. The non-political answer is to go with the International Telecommunications Union, International Postal Union and the United Nations, European Union and not recognise TRNC (and therefore 1B). You need to talk to those entities not hams, we'd rather not get involved in opposing the UN, ITU, EU etc. The recognition of TRNC has to come from there first, to enter the realm of politics and recognise 1B would be a dangerous precedent for ham radio, every would be nation would come to ham radio to get a form of international recognition. Let's not even think of going there.

If you take a political stance, expect to be called a pirate, it comes with the trade.

[VA3SAX]

does he fly his flag off his tower?...I certainly will once I get my tower.

[n3mqm]

Thanks for the replies folks. I wasn't claiming him to be a pirate or illegal, just trying to get a bit more info than what I found.

Btw Bob, my mother was born and raised in Hull.

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (G0GQK @ June 05 2007,17:45)]Does he have a tricorn hat, a parrot on his shoulder, a wooden leg and says, Aaaaaaah, cross me palm with silver, Oh aaaa. If he does he's a pirate !

G0GQK http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
You forgot the patch on the eye and the removable hook http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (VA3SAX @ June 06 2007,08:15)]does he fly his flag off his tower?...I certainly will once I get my tower.
I have a flagpole for that. My tower is for antennas, a webcam and a weather sensor.

[w3wn]

Quote[/b] (kg6top @ June 06 2007,01:38)]I want to be a pirate. ARRRR WALK THE PLANK!
No problem. Just learn how to pitch a fastball, a sinker, a slider, or even a knuckleball. Heaven knows that the Pirates bullpen needs all the help they can get!

[WA3KYY]

Quote[/b] (w3wn @ June 06 2007,12:06)]Quote[/b] (kg6top @ June 06 2007,01:38)]I want to be a pirate. ARRRR WALK THE PLANK!
No problem. #Just learn how to pitch a fastball, a sinker, a slider, or even a knuckleball. #Heaven knows that the Pirates bullpen needs all the help they can get!
Their starting rotation can use a bit of shoring up as well. There hasn't been any decent Pirates baseball since thier last World Series appearance.

73,
Mike WA3KYY (who attended games during the final season at Forbes Field)

[w3wn]

Quote[/b] (WA3KYY @ June 06 2007,12:18)]Their starting rotation can use a bit of shoring up as well. #There hasn't been any decent Pirates baseball since thier last World Series appearance.

73,
Mike WA3KYY (who attended games during the final season at Forbes Field)
Now I wouldn't go THAT far. The division winners in 1990, '91, and '92 were excellent teams. But since the ownership decided to cut payroll after the '92 season...

...we won't even get into the broken promises and alleged 5 year plans that were promised in order to con the politicians into funding PNC Park... at least we have the best baseball park in the country, even if the team leaves something to be desired... but this is really a topic for another thread on another forum altogether

[WS2L]

The 1B is a valid callsign. If it does not show in our database it is because they have not contacted us to add them to the database.

[w9is]

Quote[/b] (WS2L @ June 06 2007,09:54)]The 1B is a valid callsign. If it does not show in our database it is because they have not contacted us to add them to the database.
What in your opinion makes it a "valid call sign?" 1B is not assigned according to the ITU, which I thought was the final arbitrator on these things.

[dj1yfk]

Quote[/b] ]What in your opinion makes it a "valid call sign?" 1B is not assigned according to the ITU, which I thought was the final arbitrator on these things.
FYI: 1A (SMOM) is a recognized DXCC although it's not a valid ITU allocation.

[w3dub]

I don't know.. although its officially not recognized, i don't think this guy's a pirate. He's just involved in a nasty land dispute.. ham radio really doesn't have much to do with it.

[KC5SAS]

I'm not a pirate but I have nothing against finding some booty.
Arrggghhh!!!!

[W0BKR]

Pirate. Period.

[ab8yy]

You guys have waaaaayyyy too much time on your hands - arguing about something like this.

If it is listed for DXCC awards - then work it if your into those things. Contesting? I would say list it and get a QSL from the guy.

If you're not into DX or Contesting - then exactly what difference does it make to anyone here anyway?

I'm sure there are many prefixes which are not "ITU" recognized which are being used. I suppose the question would be for me - does this guy have a license issued by some communications authority with rules and regulations concerning transmitting in the part of the country this guy is operating in? Do those rules and regulations violate any ITU regulations? If the answer to the first is yes and the second is no - then I don't see this is up for discussion. Either you talk to him or you do not. If communicating with the country he lives in is legal from the US, then the QSO is legal.

Geesh.

Steve

[KC2ESD]

Was it a Maritime Moble station on the Ship "The Black Pearl"?

[oh2gra]

Quote[/b] (G0GQK @ June 05 2007,16:45)]Does he have a tricorn hat, a parrot on his shoulder, a wooden leg and says, Aaaaaaah, cross me palm with silver, Oh aaaa. If he does he's a pirate !

G0GQK http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Ayess, couldnt put it better miself

[sv1eex]

Some facts:

1) The 1B callsigns are NOT accepted by the ITU.

2) The 1B callsigns are NOT included in the DXCC entity list
provided by the official ARRL DXCC list
http://www.arrl.org/awards/dxcc/dxcclist.txt

3) The 1B callsigns are provided by the so-called "Republic of
Northern Cyprus". This "entity" is not recognized by either the United
Nations or almost any other country of the world. Thus, any document
that derives from this "entity" lacks any internationally legitimate
state and validity and it is considered as void. The same rule is kept
as far as the approval of the pseudo-licenses are concerned and this rule
is widely accepted by the ham radio community. Why would someone make a
qso with such a person that uses the radio to cloak a biased political status quo
over the hobby?Consider this fictional and rather funny scenario: a state of U.S. is in dispute
with the Canada and is declared as autonomous after a succesful military
solution from Canada. Would you consider it reasonable for local hams
to use an non-existant prefix before a political concensus is reached?

4) The only globally accepted and legal callsigns (CEPT) issued for
the Cyprus ham radio operators are in the 5B range. They are provided
by the Cyprus Ministry of Communications & Works, Dept of Electronic
Communications, PO Box 24647, Nicosia 1302.

5) I believe that ham radio includes the spirit that unite people
from all countries and not to separate. Ham radio has to be purified
from political concepts and hidden agendas and should not be used as a
lever to raise misleading and controversial demands among our
community. Maybe it would be better to leave such a slippery part to
our politicians.

Mni 73 de sv1eex

[N2RJ]

OK, (donning Flame proof jacket, and BS proof raincoat)
I would say IF I worked him on CW, I would consider him a ham.(!!)

Not necessarily. Several pirates have popped up on cw.

Last one I worked was MU0A during the CQWW test last year.

[LA4RT]

In the eyes of every contry but Turkey, Soyer is in Cyprus. So technically, he should get a license from the Cyprus telecom authority. However, as he is living in the Turkish sector, that may not be such a smart move. A 5B call might be frowned upon.

I will certainly work Soyer if I get the chance. If the Norwegian telecom authority has a problem with that, I'll take the heat. Nobody else is entitled to complain.

73
LA4RT Jon

[KV6O]

http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

Steve
KV6O

[NI7I]

Does he have a tricorn hat, a parrot on his shoulder, a wooden leg and says, Aaaaaaah, cross me palm with silver, Oh aaaa. If he does he's a pirate !

G0GQK http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I believe the correct statement is "aaarrrrgh"

NI7I

[G0GQK]

I thought it was only the BBC who did repeats on TV but this is a repeat which I saw at least three months ago.
Unless of course its a pirate copy !

G0GQK

[KI4PRK]

When I was operating from 4U1WRC, I worked Soyer on 20 CW. He's a good operator, has a fine fist, he's nice, talkative; a model ham on the air. Not a trace of a hum. Didn't take the rude callers, kept to his own space. I really think politics ought to be kept out of Amateur Radio, and losing this guy as a ham would be detrimental to the hobby.

BTW, thanks to Soyer for mentioning me on his QRZ listing. I enjoyed the QSO almost as much as he did!

73, de Brennen KI4PRK age 13

[KC9JIQ]

When I was operating from 4U1WRC, I worked Soyer on 20 CW. He's a good operator, has a fine fist, he's nice, talkative; a model ham on the air. Not a trace of a hum. Didn't take the rude callers, kept to his own space. I really think politics ought to be kept out of Amateur Radio, and losing this guy as a ham would be detrimental to the hobby.

BTW, thanks to Soyer for mentioning me on his QRZ listing. I enjoyed the QSO almost as much as he did!

73, de Brennen KI4PRK age 13

Screw the ITU! He is a REAL ham radio operator, if he conducts himself in a kind elmering way, he is a ham in my books.

[VE3LXL]

> Consider this fictional and rather funny scenario: a state of U.S. is in
> dispute with the Canada and is declared as autonomous after a
> succesful military solution from Canada.

That IS funny and fictional. What would we use to defeat the United States? Our overwhelming superiority in stockpiles of snowballs and hockey pucks?

[VE3LXL]

Those hams in the Turkish part of Cyprus are stuck in a situation that they're not responsible for and that has no good solution. To be regarded as legal operators by the international community, they would have to be using licenses from the Republic of Cyprus, but to be regarded as legal operators by the government that actually controls the territory they're in, they have to use licenses from the Turkish Cypriot government. So in practical terms, their only choices are to either operate using a 1B callsign or to not operate at all. What would you do if you were in that situation? Would you give up ham radio (in this case for 30 years) because of a political dispute? Or would you go on the air with the only callsign that you are allowed to use, if the rest of the world doesn't accept it as valid?

[n3mqm]

Wow I posted this last June???

[KC2ESD]

Was the DXer hailing from the Black Pearl or the Flying Dutchman?:D

[N6EAG]

Northern Cyprus has been occupied since 1974 by a government put in place by Turkey. Hams in Northern Cyprus are in limbo. Their (Turkish) Government assigned them 1B1 callsigns and would probably jail them if they used A 5B call that is the ITU prefex for Cyprus as one nation, not a Northern and Southern Cyprus. Southern Cyprus continues to use the proper 5B prefix.

The 1B1 calls are not approved by the ITU, thus seemingly bootleg, but are approved by their own country. The United Nations does not recognize their government that has been in place for 34 years, so the local hams may not operate under UN or ITU sanction. Their QSL cards will not be counted if you submit them for DXCC because of that................but are they hams, you bet.

[w3wn]

http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

Steve
KV6OOh? Which Pirates? Lanny Fratterre, Bob Walk, Greg Brown, Steve Blass, or the ever popular John Wehner? Of course, that's just the broadcast announcing teams for Radio & TV...
Yoi! And Double Yoi!

[W5GA]

That IS funny and fictional. What would we use to defeat the United States? Our overwhelming superiority in stockpiles of snowballs and hockey pucks?


ARRRRG! Frozen pucks at 10 paces, matey!!!

[KD6NIG]

ARRRRG! Frozen pucks at 10 paces, matey!!!

ARRRRR.

I always envision some guy in a dark basement, wearing pirate clothing, smoking a stogie and peering at a microphone with the one eye (since the other is covered by an eyepatch) and transmitting.

Then the FCC suddenly bursts in and catches him.

Oh wait, that part of it is merely a dream! Cept for guys like OGL :)

[NA5Z]

This reminds of working a couple of hams a long time ago from the Karen National Union (rebellion in Burma).

http://www.karen.org/knu/KNU_His.htm

Here's a QSL image I found on the net:
http://hamgallery.com/qsl/country/Myanmar/1z9a.htm

I caught a really good propagation day one time when I was about 14... talked to 1Z9A for a good thirty minutes. There was no pileup because no one apparently wanted to chase a non-counting contact or they were afraid the FCC would have something to say about working an unlicensed station, but for me, it was a chance to talk to someone halfway around the world in a country I'd only read about. I enjoyed the QSO to the fullest and still get a smile when I see the card. Sure, it doesn't count for anything at all, but the story and the memory sure does.... and this guy was in a situation not all that different.


What's odd to me though is I was reading a story just this week off the BBC about talks resuming for a reunification?

[ab8ma]

ARRRRR.

I always envision some guy in a dark basement, wearing pirate clothing, smoking a stogie and peering at a microphone with the one eye (since the other is covered by an eyepatch) and transmitting.


You didn't mention my hat.

Now where did you hide that camera? :)

[KD6NIG]

You didn't mention my hat.

Now where did you hide that camera? :)

In the microphone. You've been staring right at it all along!

[A71AN]

I saw the call 1B1AB on one of the dx lists today. Some stated he was a pirate but he claims in his QRZ bio he's not. I'm wondering how to find his status.

Ihad a pile up on 17 meter and he came through, I picked him up, that was more than 3 months now, never had his QSL card yet.

[W0BKR]

I have seen that call pop up now and then....pirate.

[W0BKR]

http://digilander.libero.it/mondoradiomania/pirate/pirate.htm

[WD4CHP]

Interesting website.

To bad it isn't in English.

Translation isn't supported.

[1B1AB]

What's odd to me though is I was reading a story just this week off the BBC about talks resuming for a reunification?[/QUOTE]

Let's no forget only three years ago has been a referendum for REUNIFICATION unfortunately In an island-wide referendum, 76% of Greek Cypriots rejected the Plan for reunification, while it was approved by 65% of peace loving Turkish Cypriots, so separation continue.
73's de 1B1AB Soyer

[KB5FSV]

I saw the call 1B1AB on one of the dx lists today. Some stated he was a pirate but he claims in his QRZ bio he's not. I'm wondering how to find his status.


**EDIT** DELETED MY LAST COMMENT

I posted my comments before reading everyone else's. Didn't even realize I was quoting something from so long ago. My only hangup with this is that the ITU doesn't acknowledge or sanction the callsign, *edit*he does have an official document from his government that says he can legally operate his radios*edit*. But since the FCC and ITU doesn't recognize it, any US Ham who makes contact with him is in direct violation of FCC Rules and Regulations PART 97. No US Amateur may communicate with a non-amateur radio operator, unless authorized by the FCC. So thats my hangup.

[1B1AB]

This reminds of working a couple of hams a long time ago from the Karen National Union (rebellion in Burma).

http://www.karen.org/knu/KNU_His.htm

Here's a QSL image I found on the net:
http://hamgallery.com/qsl/country/Myanmar/1z9a.htm

I caught a really good propagation day one time when I was about 14... talked to 1Z9A for a good thirty minutes. There was no pileup because no one apparently wanted to chase a non-counting contact or they were afraid the FCC would have something to say about working an unlicensed station, but for me, it was a chance to talk to someone halfway around the world in a country I'd only read about. I enjoyed the QSO to the fullest and still get a smile when I see the card. Sure, it doesn't count for anything at all, but the story and the memory sure does.... and this guy was in a situation not all that different.


What's odd to me though is I was reading a story just this week off the BBC about talks resuming for a reunification?

Let's no forget only three years ago has been a referendum for REUNIFICATION unfortunately In an island-wide referendum, 76% of Greek Cypriots rejected the Plan for reunification, while it was approved by 65% of Turkish Cypriots, so separation continue.
73's de 1B1AB Soyer

[1B1AB]

**EDIT** DELETED MY LAST COMMENT

I posted my comments before reading everyone else's. Didn't even realize I was quoting something from so long ago. My only hangup with this is that the ITU doesn't acknowledge or sanction the callsign, he doesn't have an official document from his government that says he can legally operate his radios. Therefore any US Ham who makes contact with him is in direct violation of FCC Rules and Regulations PART 97. No US Amateur may communicate with a non-amateur radio operator, unless authorized by the FCC. So thats my hangup.

Here is my licanse from my government.

[KB5FSV]

Ok I edited my post to change it that you DO have an official document from your government.

[sv1eex]

Why would someone recognize as valid a document issued by a pseudo-goverment that was supported by an occupation army that is not recognized by almost any country of the world and not even his own goverment if he lived in the States?

It is very simple for someone to search into recent historical info and learn what really happened in Cyprus during the recent decades.

[w8znx]

Why would someone recognize as valid a document issued by a pseudo-goverment that was supported by an occupation army that is not recognized by almost any country of the world and not even his own goverment if he lived in the States?

It is very simple for someone to search into recent historical info and learn what really happened in Cyprus during the recent decades.

oh bull
we are talking about a ham license
should he shut down
give up ham radio

because of political bs
between two countries that have
been at each other for a few thousand years

1B1AB has a license
issued by the political power
in control of where he is

what's he to do otherwise
there is the real world
and there is the world as some people
would like it to be

they don't always match

[sv1eex]

Pse allow me to take this thought a bit further....according to this , I should work osama and every taliban criminal that would have a "govermental - taliban" hamradio ticket. They still have that power over some places, unfortunately, that's also the real world. Maybe this prefix should look more shiny if a foreign op for his own reasons went to their country and made some q's.

Well, I wouldn't bother working them since they don't count as an entity but again some ppl would still try to work them!

Also noone (I hope) asked that some folks should shutdown their radios!There is a way for a foreign ham to get a legal license from a cypriotic authority and everybody knows how.

To finish with this issue, I am just saying that no one shouldn't use ham radio to establish political status quo on disputed area. That's all.

[1B1AB]

First of all I must indicate that we are radio hams not a politician, political status of disputed area it’s for politicians to conclude, not by as on this forum.
Trying to find resemblance by sv1eex between Turkish Cypriot hams and osama including every taliban criminal only show aggression ones again. Suggest Cypriotic authority license valid only within Greek Cypriotic borders, here in TRNC hams must have Turkish Cypriotic authority licance within TRNC borders to transmit,

Furthermore, if one considers the political arena, it is reality that TRNC has not been recognize independent state, but Turkish Cypriot authority in North Cyprus has been recognize by US and European governmets including UN (I suggest one can do a search on internet). International agreement since the Washington radiotelegraph convention 1927 said “each country administration is free to give or not bands and call”


Now I would like to bring history of last decades for sv1eex


A BRIEF HISTORY OF TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS

Previously It was accupied by Turks since 1571
In 1878 the island was rented to Britain and in 1923, as part of the Peace Treaty of Lausanne, Turkey accepted the annexation of the island to Britain who, 1925. pronounced it a Crown Colony.

Greek Cypriots in Cyprus started agitating for the cessation of British governance in 1931. As a result of continuing violence, a Republic of Cyprus was created in August 1960; Britain, Greece and Turkey were guarantors of its independence.

From the outset, however, the Greek-dominated administration aspired to unite the whole island with neighbouring Greece, with the subsequent forced removal of Turkish Cypriots.

In 1974, after years of increasing oppression and violation of human rights of the Turkish population, the Turkish Government exercised its rights under the 1960 Treaty to despatch a military force to Cyprus to protect Turkish Cypriots.

The subsequent conflict resulted in a military stalemate, and in November 1983 the division of the island was formalised by the creation of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

Attempts to reconcile differences and reunite island as a federation of two states have been made ever since, the latest initiative being the UN Annan Plan for reunification –In an island-wide referendum, however, 76% of Greek Cypriots rejected the UN PEACE PLAN, while it was approved by 65% of Turkish Cypriots. Efforts to find a solution continues, without any encouragement from Greek part of the island.

[A71AN]

I saw the call 1B1AB on one of the dx lists today. Some stated he was a pirate but he claims in his QRZ bio he's not. I'm wondering how to find his status.

To Whom It May Concern,
My part of the Island may not be internationally recognized, but according to the rules of the land that I am residing in. I am a legitimate and qualified radio operator who has passed all the necessary exams and tests in accordance with my governments rules and regulations. So my ability and right to operate as a ham here is not less than anyone else in this world. I am not a pirate as some people believe. If you wish to check the validity of my license, get in touch with the TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS, TELECOMMUNICATIONS ADMINISTRATION.

Recent decision by QRZ .Com to open the doors and admit '1B' hams was a welcome sign. Soon most of the amateur related organizations through out the world followed suit. I feel that the final vindication come from ITU HQ in Geneva ,when the International Amateur Radio Club, 4U1WRC operator on 2/11/2007 at 14:12z , called me for a CW contact on 14.016KHz. How gratifying was that ? Thank you Brenner KI4PRK for the most rewarding QSO in my log book. In light of the above , I feel vindicated and comfortable in using my present callsign. I urge all Hams to establish the good conduct code and end this on-going argument and enjoy our camaraderie for which we are noted for. Put away our differences and begin to look forward to our next 'new' contact on the air.

Sincerely, Soyer, 1B1AB

This is boi date of this gentlman, although he says he is intitled to be on the air related to his capibalities on the radio and he did by all the necessary exams, he did not mention weather or not he have the piece of paper to quilify him being on the air, I hop he have it.

and if he do after what been written here, he can easly scan and post that piece of paper to draw away all of the dots which oever may have.

Ther also might be some mistake here as I have in my log a contact with 1A1AB, that call sign I did search for it in qrz.com and I remeber writting a thread here about it, 1B1AB, when I checked it was in the data vase of qrz.com, I do not like to say his not proper at all, I hope this matter clear itself the good way.


Thank you all and 73

[1B1AB]

The copy of my license has been on this page for same time now. This is a license from TRNC, if you care to look at G0ETX page on qrz.com you will see that I am also UK class A license holder since 1984. Any more question about my qualification please do not hesitate to ask.
73's de 1b1ab Soyer

[A71AN]

The copy of my license has been on this page for same time now. This is a license from TRNC, if you care to look at G0ETX page on qrz.com you will see that I am also UK class A license holder since 1984. Any more question about my qualification please do not hesitate to ask.
73's de 1b1ab Soyer

It will my pleasure to have a qso with and confirm it my friend, thanks a lot, you have done a great job clearing this matter at and wish you all of the best , I know thing about palitcs neither I am intersted in it at all, my aim is to make friend all over the world and open this world for all of us to live in it in peace, die in it in peace and not into pieces.

I my understand of English isnt that much good but again as long as a person is permitted by his authorities to be a ham and holding a valid call sign and also in qrz.com data base, I can not find any other reason why I shouldnt work that station out unless some one prove to me other wise with sold evendent.

Of course if the person used his call for any other purpose than what the ham should do in according to th rules and regulations, then I would not make a contact with him.

My real dream, to make a contact with UFO, people from other plants, those people if they came to my frequincy I would really be interested to talk to them and show them that the people of the plant of earth are very nice people and friendly.

73 my friend

[ei3io]

I'd like to discuss a few additional issues in respect of some of the information already provided. Firstly the DXCC list itself is a political list; just look at the principal requirements for DXCC status; UN recognition, ITU call-sign series or inclusion in (a) the U.S. Department of State's list of "Dependencies and Areas of Special Sovereignty" as having a local "Administrative Center," or (b) the United Nations list of "Non-Self-Governing Territories. Now what constitutes inclusion on the State Department's List, as TRNC would seem to qualify? - the politics and foreign policy of a powerful, important and sovereign nation.

Now lets look at this "illegal" call-sign prefix 1B. The ITU Radio Regulations (Article 19 and Appendix 42) do not provide for any call-sign which starts with the figure 0 or 1 or where a single letter followed by a figure forms the national identifier; in this case the second character is never 0 or 1. There is therefore a clear problem for 1B BUT now lets consider some call-signs which we know and love, which are also a problem but no one raises even a whisper of concern about them. 1A - a DXCC entity listed as an unofficial call-sign in the DXCC list - note in this case the word 'illegal' or 'unauthorised' call-sign is not used. Then there is S0 another disputed territory but not as disputed as TRNC; again it is not using a call-sign series conforming to the Radio Regulations of the ITU. S0 is also listed as an unofficial call-sign in the DXCC list. So are some of us not being just a little hypocritical when complaining about the use of 1B by TRNC as an illegal call-sign?

In terms of problems of recognition TRNC has similar problems to Kosovo, Palestine, Taiwan and Western Sahara. In amateur circles we've already seen stirrings of discontent with the disputed (by some) independence of Kosovo in recent times. However in the case of TRNC, no one can dispute that the United Nations Security Council issued two resolutions (541 and 550) proclaiming that the Turkish Cypriot declaration of independence was illegal and requested that no other sovereign state should recognise the legality of the declaration and asked for its withdrawal.

So once we get into the world of politics and human relations things get blurred. Let us accept there are always international political problems in the World, whether its the politicisation of Antartica, who owns the Falklands/Malvinas, whether Macedonia should have a new name or whether the British Isles should be called the Western European Isles.

I for one wish the 1B licensees well - I understand that they are operating under difficult conditions but they are operating in accordance with the regulations of the State in which they live. I do not think that any person living in any of the disputed territories around the World should be denied the fun and enjoyment of operating an amateur radio station. I also understand the deep rooted problems between the two Cypriot communities but these need to be solved in an appropriate way through negotiation, NOT by invoking emotive statements in amateur radio news groups and email lists.

Best 73s to all
Dave EI3IO, G3SDL

[A71AN]

I'd like to discuss a few additional issues in respect of some of the information already provided. Firstly the DXCC list itself is a political list; just look at the principal requirements for DXCC status; UN recognition, ITU call-sign series or inclusion in (a) the U.S. Department of State's list of "Dependencies and Areas of Special Sovereignty" as having a local "Administrative Center," or (b) the United Nations list of "Non-Self-Governing Territories. Now what constitutes inclusion on the State Department's List, as TRNC would seem to qualify? - the politics and foreign policy of a powerful, important and sovereign nation.

Now lets look at this "illegal" call-sign prefix 1B. The ITU Radio Regulations (Article 19 and Appendix 42) do not provide for any call-sign which starts with the figure 0 or 1 or where a single letter followed by a figure forms the national identifier; in this case the second character is never 0 or 1. There is therefore a clear problem for 1B BUT now lets consider some call-signs which we know and love, which are also a problem but no one raises even a whisper of concern about them. 1A - a DXCC entity listed as an unofficial call-sign in the DXCC list - note in this case the word 'illegal' or 'unauthorised' call-sign is not used. Then there is S0 another disputed territory but not as disputed as TRNC; again it is not using a call-sign series conforming to the Radio Regulations of the ITU. S0 is also listed as an unofficial call-sign in the DXCC list. So are some of us not being just a little hypocritical when complaining about the use of 1B by TRNC as an illegal call-sign?

In terms of problems of recognition TRNC has similar problems to Kosovo, Palestine, Taiwan and Western Sahara. In amateur circles we've already seen stirrings of discontent with the disputed (by some) independence of Kosovo in recent times. However in the case of TRNC, no one can dispute that the United Nations Security Council issued two resolutions (541 and 550) proclaiming that the Turkish Cypriot declaration of independence was illegal and requested that no other sovereign state should recognise the legality of the declaration and asked for its withdrawal.

So once we get into the world of politics and human relations things get blurred. Let us accept there are always international political problems in the World, whether its the politicisation of Antartica, who owns the Falklands/Malvinas, whether Macedonia should have a new name or whether the British Isles should be called the Western European Isles.

I for one wish the 1B licensees well - I understand that they are operating under difficult conditions but they are operating in accordance with the regulations of the State in which they live. I do not think that any person living in any of the disputed territories around the World should be denied the fun and enjoyment of operating an amateur radio station. I also understand the deep rooted problems between the two Cypriot communities but these need to be solved in an appropriate way through negotiation, NOT by invoking emotive statements in amateur radio news groups and email lists.

Best 73s to all
Dave EI3IO, G3SDL


Ham Radio is the gentlemen hobby, friend making hobby, I feel so sorry to see some people turning this hobby into, politics, religious, races, colors and so on.

Couldn’t we all live in peace and take care of each other:((((((((((((((((

Rashed is very sad now:(((((((((((