Libby gets 2-1/2 years in Plame leak case

[WA3WDR]

Well what do you know. Even aides of Vice President Cheney face consequences for their choice of actions.

However, there is of course a good likelihood that there will be a presidential pardon in 5... 4.... 3...

Libby gets 2 1/2-year sentence in Plame case
MarketWatch, June 5, 2007
Article (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/former-cheney-aide-libby-gets/story.aspx?guid=%7B481FE1E1-67E7-45B4-B816-DD506E20C55F%7D)
Quote[/b] ]WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, a former top aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, was sentenced Tuesday to 2 1/2 years in prison for obstructing justice and committing perjury during a federal investigation into the leak of a secret agent's name.

"People who occupy these types of positions, where they have the welfare and security of nation in their hands, have a special obligation to not do anything that might create a problem," U.S. District Court Judge Reggie B. Walton told Libby, who had served as Cheney's chief of staff, during sentencing.

[n7rjd]

Quote[/b] (WA3WDR @ June 05 2007,03:41)]Well what do you know. Even aides of Vice President Cheney face consequences for their choice of actions.
Yep, his aides go to prison and his friends get shot in the face. Not the kind of guy I want to hang out with.

[KA7RRA]

Libby well never spend any jail time He well be out on appeals,and GWB well give him a pardon at 11:55pm of his last day in office

[K2WH]

Quote[/b] (KA7RRA @ June 05 2007,07:10)]Libby well never spend any jail time #He well be out on appeals,and GWB #well give him a pardon #at 11:55pm of his last day in office
Seems resonable and deserving....

K2WH (Neocon)

[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (K2WH @ June 04 2007,13:13)]Quote[/b] (KA7RRA @ June 05 2007,07:10)]Libby well never spend any jail time He well be out on appeals,and GWB well give him a pardon at 11:55pm of his last day in office
Seems resonable and deserving....

K2WH (Neocon)
No. He served the most corrupt administration in the history of this country. He deserves prison for that alone.

[WA3WDR]

Quote[/b] (K2WH @ June 05 2007,14:13)]Seems resonable and deserving....
Yes, it will be reasonable to criticize Bush for such a cronyistic act. #He will deserve the criticism when he does that.

[K2WH]

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ June 05 2007,07:31)]Quote[/b] (K2WH @ June 04 2007,13:13)]Quote[/b] (KA7RRA @ June 05 2007,07:10)]Libby well never spend any jail time #He well be out on appeals,and GWB #well give him a pardon #at 11:55pm of his last day in office
Seems resonable and deserving....

K2WH (Neocon)
No. He served the most corrupt administration in the history of this country. #He deserves prison for that alone.
Prove it! #You can't and no one else can either. #Don't you think if there was corruption in this administration charges would have been brought up by now after almost 8 years?

I don't want to get into a pissing match with you, but you're just repeating the same leftist lies about this administration without a shred of evidence to back up the claims. Just your apparently over active imagination.

K2WH (Neocon)

[kg6amw]

Quote[/b] (WA3WDR @ June 05 2007,10:41)]Well what do you know. #Even aides of Vice President Cheney face consequences for their choice of actions.

However, there is of course a good likelihood that there will be a presidential pardon in 5... 4.... 3...

Libby gets 2 1/2-year sentence in Plame case
MarketWatch, June 5, 2007
Article (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/former-cheney-aide-libby-gets/story.aspx?guid=%7B481FE1E1-67E7-45B4-B816-DD506E20C55F%7D)
Quote[/b] ]WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, a former top aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, was sentenced Tuesday to 2 1/2 years in prison for obstructing justice and committing perjury during a federal investigation into the leak of a secret agent's name.

"People who occupy these types of positions, where they have the welfare and security of nation in their hands, have a special obligation to not do anything that might create a problem," U.S. District Court Judge Reggie B. Walton told Libby, who had served as Cheney's chief of staff, during sentencing.
He is deserving of a pardon given the nature of the original charges. He will serve 6 months and be out. Good for him.

[ka5piu]

Hello.

Some say that this is a corrupt administration.
Others say that all administrations are corrupt.
What I can tell you is this, after working 28 and one half years in US government service.
It is the Bush way or the highway.
I was told that you will sign a loyalty oath, and follow the rules, or you are out.
The fourth of July, 2001, a video presentation at the federal complex, sign the documents or else.
July 5th, 2001, I explained that I could not sign something I did not have faith in.
This was taken as my resignation.
There were around 200 per conference, at least a dozen conferences that day at that location.

[K2WH]

Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ June 05 2007,08:16)]Hello.

Some say that this is a corrupt administration.
Others say that all administrations are corrupt.
What I can tell you is this, after working 28 and one half years in US government service.
It is the Bush way or the highway.
I was told that you will sign a loyalty oath, and follow the rules, or you are out.
The fourth of July, 2001, a video presentation at the federal complex, sign the documents or else.
July 5th, 2001, I explained that I could not sign something I did not have faith in.
This was taken as my resignation.
There were around 200 per conference, at least a dozen conferences that day at that location.
So what are you suggesting? #Pledging loyalty to your boss or the President of the USA is some sort of corruption or somehow the wrong thing to do? Following the rules is not something you could justify?

K2WH (Neocon)

[K8MHZ]

Quote[/b] (K2WH @ June 05 2007,07:32)]Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ June 05 2007,08:16)]Hello.

Some say that this is a corrupt administration.
Others say that all administrations are corrupt.
What I can tell you is this, after working 28 and one half years in US government service.
It is the Bush way or the highway.
I was told that you will sign a loyalty oath, and follow the rules, or you are out.
The fourth of July, 2001, a video presentation at the federal complex, sign the documents or else.
July 5th, 2001, I explained that I could not sign something I did not have faith in.
This was taken as my resignation.
There were around 200 per conference, at least a dozen conferences that day at that location.
So what are you suggesting? #Pledging loyalty to your boss or the President of the USA is some sort of corruption or somehow the wrong thing to do? #Following the rules is not something you could justify?

K2WH (Neocon)
We pledge allegiance to our country, not our president.

I take back what I said about you being down to earth.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (K2WH @ June 05 2007,11:40)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ June 05 2007,07:31)]Quote[/b] (K2WH @ June 04 2007,13:13)]Quote[/b] (KA7RRA @ June 05 2007,07:10)]Libby well never spend any jail time #He well be out on appeals,and GWB #well give him a pardon #at 11:55pm of his last day in office
Seems resonable and deserving....

K2WH (Neocon)
No. He served the most corrupt administration in the history of this country. #He deserves prison for that alone.
Prove it! #You can't and no one else can either. #Don't you think if there was corruption in this administration charges would have been brought up by now after almost 8 years?

I don't want to get into a pissing match with you, but you're just repeating the same leftist lies about this administration without a shred of evidence to back up the claims. Just your apparently over active imagination.

K2WH (Neocon)
They are, that's why Libby is going to jail.

[W7WV]

So, I would bet he gets better accommodations that Paris Hilton got.
She's not even with the main population and is in isolation.
We wouldn't want there money to rub off on the common criminals now would we?
And if my name were Scooter I wouldn't want to be the general population either!

[K8MHZ]

Quote[/b] ]Prove it! #You can't and no one else can either. #Don't you think if there was corruption in this administration charges would have been brought up by now after almost 8 years?


Like this, just for ONE example.

Articles of Impeachment (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2007/04/articles_of_impeachment_to_be.html)

[K3XR]

And let's compare that to the Clinton Legacy.

http://prorev.com/legacy.htm

[WA3WDR]

It's true. #Democrats are no better than Republicans. #But what neo-cons don't realize is that the reverse is also true.

Sad.

[K5FH]

Let's see...Fitzgerald couldn't charge anybody with leaking Plame's name because, under the circumstances, no crime was committed. #But he had to show something for the millions of dollars spent on the investigation, so he uses the old catch-all of obstruction of justice (the federal equivalent of "loitering").

The problem with obstruction of justice and perjury is that the definitions of these offenses are so convoluted that it is relatively easy to convince an unsophisticated jury that, well, surely the accused must have done something, otherwise the Government wouldn't have charged him...

BTW - if you're looking for the "most corrupt administration in history," Lyndon Johnson's is a good place to start.

[KE4FES]

Quote[/b] (K5FH @ June 05 2007,21:33)]Let's see...Fitzgerald couldn't charge anybody with leaking Plame's name because, under the circumstances, no crime was committed. #But he had to show something for the millions of dollars spent on the investigation, so he uses the old catch-all of obstruction of justice (the federal equivalent of "loitering").

The problem with obstruction of justice and perjury is that the definitions of these offenses are so convoluted that it is relatively easy to convince an unsophisticated jury that, well, surely the accused must have done something, otherwise the Government wouldn't have charged him...

BTW - if you're looking for the "most corrupt administration in history," Lyndon Johnson's is a good place to start.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # Did you omit NIXON purposely ?

charlie

[w2amr]

Quote[/b] (K2WH @ June 05 2007,11:13)]Quote[/b] (KA7RRA @ June 05 2007,07:10)]Libby well never spend any jail time #He well be out on appeals,and GWB #well give him a pardon #at 11:55pm of his last day in office
Seems resonable and deserving....

K2WH (Neocon)
He was found guilty of lying to a grand jury. Why should he be pardoned? Please don't give me the" Somebody else got away with it" answer.

[w2amr]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ June 05 2007,15:04)]Quote[/b] (K2WH @ June 05 2007,11:40)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ June 05 2007,07:31)]Quote[/b] (K2WH @ June 04 2007,13:13)]Quote[/b] (KA7RRA @ June 05 2007,07:10)]Libby well never spend any jail time #He well be out on appeals,and GWB #well give him a pardon #at 11:55pm of his last day in office
Seems resonable and deserving....

K2WH (Neocon)
No. He served the most corrupt administration in the history of this country. #He deserves prison for that alone.
Prove it! #You can't and no one else can either. #Don't you think if there was corruption in this administration charges would have been brought up by now after almost 8 years?

I don't want to get into a pissing match with you, but you're just repeating the same leftist lies about this administration without a shred of evidence to back up the claims. Just your apparently over active imagination.

K2WH (Neocon)
They are, that's why Libby is going to jail.
I caught part of the con debate the other night. Several candidates said they would pardon Libby, but never gave any real reason why.

[WA3WDR]

A covert CIA agent's identity was leaked. #Armitage went to Woodward and Novak and spilled a lot of beans. #This was a MAJOR violation of the letter and spirit of secrecy laws, and his signed secrecy agreement. #One word: CRIME.

Did he say "Valerie Plame"? #Maybe not. #But he said it was Wilson's wife. #And to the best of my knowledge, Wilson only has one wife, you know? #So that identified her pretty well, don't you think?

Acting Attorney General Comey appointed Fitzgerald to find out about the Plame leak. #And Libby had also not only leaked it and lightly confirmed it (CRIME), but he had even told Ari Fleischman to leak it too. #CRIME. #Libby then lied to Fitzpatrick, and claimed not only that Tim Russert told him about Plame, but that #Russert told him that "all the reporters knew it". #PERJURY, FALSE STATEMENT, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. #(CRIMES.)

This meant that Fitzgerald had to subpoena news reporters, who usually resist revealing their sources. #You may recall that Judith Miller actually went to jail - ironic, isn't it, that it was because she wouldn't betray her source, because it was the same I. LEWIS LIBBY who wouldn't release her from the agreement not to reveal him as her source! #So Libby let Miller twist in the wind for a good long time - and now the fine, righteous neo-cons don't want this same Libby to go to jail, the poor guy. #Ugh, such phony, neo-con scum. #What would you have done if Libby did that to you? #Call for him to get a pardon? #I DON'T THINK SO.

Libby's lies and cowardice caused all sorts of trouble. #That's why what he did was a CRIME. #A FELONY, in fact. #MULTIPLE FELONIES, actually.

And Cheney wrote "did his wife send him on a junket?" on a copy of Wilson's op-ed, and gave it to Libby. #Why would he do that, when Libby was his press agent? #Hmmmmmmmmm. #Can you say 'conspiracy to leak classified information'? #CRIME. #And for such a petty purpose.

Gotta tell ya, I'm not impressed.

[k5xit]

Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ June 05 2007,12:16)]Hello.

Some say that this is a corrupt administration.
Others say that all administrations are corrupt.
What I can tell you is this, after working 28 and one half years in US government service.
It is the Bush way or the highway.
I was told that you will sign a loyalty oath, and follow the rules, or you are out.
The fourth of July, 2001, a video presentation at the federal complex, sign the documents or else.
July 5th, 2001, I explained that I could not sign something I did not have faith in.
This was taken as my resignation.
There were around 200 per conference, at least a dozen conferences that day at that location.
Ok, you were with the Secret Service, right? Was this loyalty oath to the government or for a individual? Just a lttle puzzled here. I do notice that you enjoy taunting law enforcement personell. Just some questions, was it a loyalty oath to the United States of America? Has this been changed? Maybe you are not willing to defend America? Curious.

[w3bny]

Its not like he's going to Pelican Bay or Marion.

[w2amr]

Quote[/b] (w3bny @ June 06 2007,05:46)]Its not like he's going to Pelican Bay or Marion.
They should sent the SOB to Gitmo.

[w4cki]

One thing about it, if George W does see fit to pardon Scooter (as he should), it would be more correct than the gangsters and other hoodlums (not to mention girl friend's husband) that Slick Willy pardoned on his leaving office.

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (w4cki @ June 06 2007,17:31)]One thing about it, if George W does see fit to pardon Scooter (as he should), it would be more correct than the gangsters and other hoodlums (not to mention girl friend's husband) that Slick Willy pardoned on his leaving office.
This is going to be very difficult for you. Please explain the justification for saying Bush should pardon "Scooter", a criminal, found guilty by a jury of his peers of obstruction of justice and perjury, and sentenced, all according to the law of the land. And here's the hard part. Do it without mentioning anything about Clinton's administration, the neocon boogey man, or anyone not directly tied to this specific case.

Then apply your argument to the two jailed border patrol agents.

Shucks, Comrade! I forgot ... Scooter was a favorite neocon lapdog. That in itself is justification, eh?

[K0RGR]

I thought Libby ended up under the bus when the first attempt to justify the leak failed. That was the failed argument that as Vice President, Cheney had the authority to instantly declassify the Valerie Plame information, so even if he told Libby, it didn't matter. The White House launched that trial balloon, and it sank like a rock. So, the next thing we know, Armitage falls on his sword and Libby gets pinched for lying about it, and we forget that Karl Rove also confirmed it to a reporter, independent of these other two.

Hmmm... this is not the most corrupt administration in history? I admit, I thought that once the Democrats got the power of subpoena, we'd see indictments flowing like spring water. So far, they haven't really held anybody's feet to the fire. There have been multiple hearings where it was disclosed that at least hundreds of billions of dollars are simply missing, but there has been no real effort to pin it on anybody.

This administration has bent every rule it possibly could.

We're not done with the federal attorney's matter.

[WA3WDR]

Quote[/b] (w4cki @ June 06 2007,17:31)]One thing about it, if George W does see fit to pardon Scooter (as he should), it would be more correct than the gangsters and other hoodlums (not to mention girl friend's husband) that Slick Willy pardoned on his leaving office.
If you are saying that Bush pardoning Libby is no better than the nonsense pardons that Clinton doled out, then I agree.

The thing is, Bush promised to do better.

[w2amr]

Quote[/b] (w4cki @ June 06 2007,14:31)]One thing about it, if George W does see fit to pardon Scooter (as he should), it would be more correct than the gangsters and other hoodlums (not to mention girl friend's husband) that Slick Willy pardoned on his leaving office.
Notice how The Law and order crowd doesn't seem to care for law and order when it is applied to one of their own.

[w4cki]

There is "law and order" and there is political lynching.. Scooter is of the last. There has NOT been proven any crime was commited, and the source of the so called leak of a perhaps covert agent has not been finalized (except in the narrow, weak minds of liberal/democrats).

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (w4cki @ June 07 2007,09:38)]There is "law and order" and there is political lynching.. Scooter is of the last. There has NOT been proven any crime was commited, and the source of the so called leak of a perhaps covert agent has not been finalized (except in the narrow, weak minds of liberal/democrats).
Found guilty by a Federal Jury of 4 felonies.

U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton said the evidence was "overwhelming".

That PROVES that 4 crimes were committed, unless you fail to recognize our judicial system.

Taking an uninformed, party line, neo-conservative view of this trial and its results don't change the facts.

Of course, facts often confuse weak-minded ultra right-wing Oxy-Rushbo dittoheads.

You also failed to state any valid reason why the president should pardon this convicted criminal.

"Law and Order" - American Style.

[w4cki]

Hmmm but you have to understand the meaning of "is"....
Wow, the liberals are back to their name calling ... fabricated facts are not enough...

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (w4cki @ June 07 2007,10:05)]Hmmm but you have to understand the meaning of "is"....
Wow, the liberals are back to their name calling ... fabricated facts are not enough...
Get real. You're sore because you cannot dispute facts. Address the issue. Tell us why the president should pardon this convicted criminal. Try to illustrate some facts to support your position.

We'll breathlessly await your reply.

EDIT:Quote[/b] ]fabricated facts are not enough...
My facts are fabricated by a court of law. Do you have a problem with the source? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[w4cki]

QUOTE:

(can you read quotes, ad4mq?)
"When all is said and done, all the hyperbole has been set aside, and all the conspiracy theories debunked, it comes down to this little tidbit written by Bob Novak:

I learned Valerie Plame's name from Joe Wilson's entry in Who's Who in America
Joe Wilson's Who's Who bio outed his wife's name after an unnamed primary source accidentally revealed information about her role. Karl Rove and the CIA's own Public Information Officer Bill Harlow merely confirmed what Novak already knew."

= no crime, political lynching by liberals using the justice system for political purposes.

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (w4cki @ June 07 2007,16:18)]QUOTE:

(can you read quotes, ad4mq?)
"When all is said and done, all the hyperbole has been set aside, and all the conspiracy theories debunked, it comes down to this little tidbit written by Bob Novak:

I learned Valerie Plame's name from Joe Wilson's entry in Who's Who in America
Joe Wilson's Who's Who bio outed his wife's name after an unnamed primary source accidentally revealed information about her role. Karl Rove and the CIA's own Public Information Officer Bill Harlow merely confirmed what Novak already knew."

= no crime, political lynching by liberals using the justice system for political purposes.
So, a quote from a conservative columnist is your justification for freeing a convicted criminal?

You're a better comedian than Oxy-Rushbo. You should call in tomorrow and catch him on the EIB comedy show ... he'll love you!

Here's a corrected view:
Quote[/b] ]= 4 felonies, justice rendered by a jury of the man's peers, sentence determined by the sitting judge. Case Closed.

Karl Marx Rove & Dead-Eye Cheney's lap dog lied, and now he'll pay for it. You'll do well to learn how to deal with it.

[w2amr]

Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ June 07 2007,14:14)]Quote[/b] (w4cki @ June 07 2007,16:18)]QUOTE:

(can you read quotes, ad4mq?)
"When all is said and done, all the hyperbole has been set aside, and all the conspiracy theories debunked, it comes down to this little tidbit written by Bob Novak:

I learned Valerie Plame's name from Joe Wilson's entry in Who's Who in America
Joe Wilson's Who's Who bio outed his wife's name after an unnamed primary source accidentally revealed information about her role. Karl Rove and the CIA's own Public Information Officer Bill Harlow merely confirmed what Novak already knew."

= no crime, political lynching by liberals #using the justice system for political purposes.
So, a quote from a conservative columnist is your justification for freeing a convicted criminal?

You're a better comedian than Oxy-Rushbo. #You should call in tomorrow and catch him on the EIB comedy show ... he'll love you!

Here's a corrected view:
Quote[/b] ]= 4 felonies, justice rendered by a jury of the man's peers, sentence determined by the sitting judge. #Case Closed.

Karl Marx Rove & Dead-Eye Cheney's lap dog lied, and now he'll pay for it. #You'll do well to learn how to deal with it.
Yeahbut, yeahbut, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] ]W2AMR: Yeahbut, yeahbut, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton.
You think I'd fare better with my buddy here, George?

http://mysite.verizon.net/ad4mg/Stumpy.jpg

He's good friends with my cinder block. I call him "Stump". http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[w2amr]

Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ June 07 2007,14:53)]Quote[/b] ]W2AMR: #Yeahbut, yeahbut, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton.
You think I'd fare better with my buddy here, George?

http://mysite.verizon.net/ad4mg/Stumpy.jpg

He's good friends with my cinder block. #I call him "Stump". #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Is EIB carved in the other side? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w4cki]

KoolAid drinking liberal handbook page 66:
"When lacking proper provable facts in an agrument, call names and belittle the oposition with innuendo..."

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] ]'2AMR: Is EIB carved in the other side?
Naw, but some of the cons swear that, if viewed at just the right angle, you can make out the face of Oxy-Rushbo. The Bible-beaters say it's Jesus!
http://mysite.verizon.net/ad4mg/rush_stump.jpg

Quote[/b] ]'cki_con: KoolAid drinking liberal handbook page 66:
"When lacking proper provable facts in an agrument, call names and belittle the oposition with innuendo..."
Shhhhh! Hush. We're talking to Stump. You're sill sore ... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[w2amr]

Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ June 07 2007,16:20)]Quote[/b] ]'2AMR: #Is EIB carved in the other side?
Naw, but some of the cons swear that, if viewed at just the right angle, you can make out the face of Oxy-Rushbo. #The Bible-beaters say it's Jesus!
http://mysite.verizon.net/ad4mg/rush_stump.jpg

Quote[/b] ]'cki_con: #KoolAid drinking liberal handbook page 66:
"When lacking proper provable facts in an agrument, call names and belittle the oposition with innuendo..."
Shhhhh! #Hush. #We're talking to Stump. #You're sill sore ... #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[K3XR]

Time to get moving on the Plame prosecution.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=28662

[WA3WDR]

If Libby didn't know that Plame's identity was SECRET, then whoever leaked that information to him violated their signed, witnessed security information agreeement in a serious way, since it resulted in a leak - and that needed to be investigated. #But when Fitzgerald was investigating that stuff, Libby obstructed the investigation by lying. #And he then allowed Judith Miller to languish in jail because she would not reveal that LIBBY was one source of the information that he claimed all the reporters knew. #Yes, LIBBY was the one who made it necessary for Fitzgerald to seek the identity of Miller's source, by claiming that the reporters all knew. #Well, they knew because of sources like him! And Libby didn't mind Miller going to jail at all. #He let her sit in there for a while before he finally realized that his jig was up, and finally released her from the agreement.


OK, let's review.

Libby leaked.

Libby pointed at the reporters and said that THEY leaked.

As a result, the investigation of the leak was sidetracked because Fitzgerald had to check the reporter knowledge claim.

One reporter sat in jail because she would not reveal that Libby was her source for the leak.

Libby let that reporter sit in jail for a nice little while!

And now the rough, tough neo-cons are crying crocodile tears that Libby might go to jail for his serious wrongdoing, and in their usual fashion they are playing tit-for-tat. #"Nyeah nyeah, if our pristine Mr. Libby is going to jail then we are going to investigate Plame, because we are not finished with Cheney's silly vendetta!" #My, my.

[wa8rti]

Amazing-the hardcore members on the right say that Scooter shouldn't go to jail because no one was charged or convicted of the #crime of revealing the covert agents name. #When it was pointed out that Clinton was impeached for lying under oath and there was no crime commited (consenting adults involved in a sex act.) the answer was that the Clinton case was different. Sure it was- and tell me just how was it different?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Other than that Clinton is a Democrat and Scooter isn't. I guess his lies are protected and approved by the Almighty since the right has the ear of God!

[K3XR]

A LIB lawyer says Libby sentence too harsh??

http://newsbusters.org/node/13370

[K3XR]

The truth about Plame...QRX

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpa....rl=http (http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/06/post_47.html)

[ka5piu]

Quote[/b] (k5xit @ June 06 2007,05:43)]Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ June 05 2007,12:16)]Hello.

Some say that this is a corrupt administration.
Others say that all administrations are corrupt.
What I can tell you is this, after working 28 and one half years in US government service.
It is the Bush way or the highway.
I was told that you will sign a loyalty oath, and follow the rules, or you are out.
The fourth of July, 2001, a video presentation at the federal complex, sign the documents or else.
July 5th, 2001, I explained that I could not sign something I did not have faith in.
This was taken as my resignation.
There were around 200 per conference, at least a dozen conferences that day at that location.
Ok, you were with the Secret Service, right? #Was this loyalty oath to the government or for a individual? #Just a lttle puzzled here. #I do notice that you enjoy taunting law enforcement personell. #Just some #questions, was it a loyalty oath to the United States of America? #Has this been changed? #Maybe #you are not willing to defend America? #Curious.
Hello.

I have no idea where the USSS stuff came from, I worked for the State Department.
I went thru a USSS HR eval', very much standard.
I also have had training with the US Marines.
This is all part of the job.
The Marines protect the facilities and the USSS protects the VIP's.
The "Loyalty oath" is the one that the democrats pointed out in the campaign trail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalty_oath
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31019-2004Jul31.html
The loyaly oath that was presented to government employees says nothing about the United States as such.
And, yes, I think that a small number of LE types are the best cops money can buy.
Having attended dozens of state functions and having seen this first hand, what I can say is that there are is almost always one or 2 cops who the USSS has to set down and say 'Whoa boy, you are making everybody nervous, have a seat and stay away from everybody'.
This is the guy who is always saying "The secret service said".
The USSS has already made arrangements to be "On Channel", they do not need Mr. Hyper-Squirrel bouncing about.
And, police departments have this odd dispatch system.
The caller gets a "Telephone dispatcher" who takes the order.
This is put in the hopper based on priority.
This next appears on the screen of a radio dispatcher who actually talks to the officers.
All fine and good.
Now, if we have somebody with a talkie redirecting the local police, as well as this dispatch system that takes at least a minute to filter thru, we get a call for a given action, another call for the same action, another call for the same action.
This can go on 4 or 5 times, and ot only gets worse when you have now a minimum of 5 people involved.
1, Hyper cop.
2, Telephone dispatcher.
3, Radio Dispatcher.
4, Incident commander.
5, Officers on scene.
As you can see, this creates a sort of command echo effect.
My answer to most police officers?
Get over it, this has been rehearsed several times to get it right, follow your Written instructions.
And, again, 99.9% of all officers act very well and do an excellent job.
Like anything else, it takes just one.
Go to a field day event, look around.
Most of the people who worked very hard to make it work are working.
There will be a few, perhaps on or 2, who simply "Take charge", with no idea of what they are doing.
Did they work to make this all come together or are they tearing things apart?
Most people do not want to say no to this person for one reason or another, call it being polite.
Now, think about this in the context I just gave with the USSS.

[KD6NIG]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ June 06 2007,15:35)]I thought Libby ended up under the bus when the first attempt to justify the leak failed. That was the failed argument that as Vice President, Cheney had the authority to instantly declassify the Valerie Plame information, so even if he told Libby, it didn't matter. The White House launched that trial balloon, and it sank like a rock. So, the next thing we know, Armitage falls on his sword and Libby gets pinched for lying about it, and we forget that Karl Rove also confirmed it to a reporter, independent of these other two.

Hmmm... this is not the most corrupt administration in history? I admit, I thought that once the Democrats got the power of subpoena, we'd see indictments flowing like spring water. So far, they haven't really held anybody's feet to the fire. There have been multiple hearings where it was disclosed that at least hundreds of billions of dollars are simply missing, but there has been no real effort to pin it on anybody.

This administration has bent every rule it possibly could.

We're not done with the federal attorney's matter.
Honestly?

I think its because these investigations WERE completed, and they found out people from both sides of the aisle had their fingers in the pie, and I think some of those fingers are pretty high level people on both sides.

So either you chuck the other party under the bus and take some of your prominent people with you, and prove, by the way, what most people know, that ALL politicians are scum and probably should all be tossed....

Or you keep your mouth shut and the political machine keeps churning. Sure, you're not getting anything done, but you still have your job http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I think its more of a 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' thing than anything else. It will eventually come out though, when someone trying for the presidency (or something similar) who doesn't have any ties to it goes with it, and tries to ride it to whatever they want to achieve.

Till then, expect it to be going with the flow as usual.

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Well, whatever happens, I think it's only fair that Libby should stay in jail at least as long as he left Judith Miller sitting there when she would not reveal him as her source.

Judge Orders Libby to Jail in CIA Leak Case
Prison sentence won't be delayed during appeal process
Associated Press, June 14, 2007
Article (http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3492593&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.3.1)
Quote[/b] ]WASHINGTON -- A federal judge said Thursday he will not delay a 2 1/2-year prison sentence for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby in the CIA leak case, a ruling that could send the former White House aide to prison within weeks.

U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton's decision will send Libby's attorneys rushing to an appeals court to block the sentence and could force President Bush to consider calls from Libby's supporters to pardon the former aide.

No date was set for Libby to report to prison but it's expected to be within six to eight weeks. That will be left up to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, which will also select a facility.

"Unless the Court of Appeals overturns my ruling, he will have to report," Walton said.