Public Money for Muslim Washing Stations

[KA8NCR]

For those who see a problem with the separation of church and state, you'll be heartened to learn that the University of Michigan Dearborn is spending $25,000 to install "washing stations". The stations will permit devout Muslims to perform the necessary washing before their multiple periods of prayer throughout the day.

If you're in favor of spending public money to plunk the Ten Commandments in the public square, then I'm sure you'll see no problem with this.

Dearborn is home to a very large and affluent Arab and Muslim community.


(edited to remove a misplaced "don't"...)

[w4wtf]

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,09:17)]For those who don't see a problem with the separation of church and state, you'll be heartened to learn that the University of Michigan Dearborn is spending $25,000 to install "washing stations". #The stations will permit devout Muslims to perform the necessary washing before their multiple periods of prayer throughout the day.

If you're in favor of spending public money to plunk the Ten Commandments in the public square, then I'm sure you'll see no problem with this.

Dearborn is home to a very large and affluent Arab and Muslim community.
Interesting, I await the reaction of the ACLU...will they oppose this like they do christian items paid for with tax $$$?

[KA8NCR]

Quote[/b] (w4wtf @ June 05 2007,09:23)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,09:17)]For those who don't see a problem with the separation of church and state, you'll be heartened to learn that the University of Michigan Dearborn is spending $25,000 to install "washing stations". The stations will permit devout Muslims to perform the necessary washing before their multiple periods of prayer throughout the day.

If you're in favor of spending public money to plunk the Ten Commandments in the public square, then I'm sure you'll see no problem with this.

Dearborn is home to a very large and affluent Arab and Muslim community.
Interesting, I await the reaction of the ACLU...will they oppose this like they do christian items paid for with tax $$$?
The University of Michigan has a long record of dodging whether or not certain projects are funded by tax dollars. Their College of Law is always looking for a fight. But going against the ACLU might seem like suing your twin brother.

[N2RJ]

What about publicly funded schools taking off on Jewish holidays (and it's a paid holiday too)? They do that around here.

Do you think that is OK?

Just curious, do they do that at UMich?

[KA8NCR]

Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,09:26)]What about publicly funded schools taking off on Jewish holidays? They do that around here.

Do you think that is OK?
Do they take off for Christmas?

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,11:27)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,09:26)]What about publicly funded schools taking off on Jewish holidays? They do that around here.

Do you think that is OK?
Do they take off for Christmas?
That doesn't count. That is a federal holiday.

In fact, schools are out for a whole "holiday season" that includes Christian, Jewish and Islamic holidays.

[w3bny]

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,09:17)]For those who see a problem with the separation of church and state, you'll be heartened to learn that the University of Michigan Dearborn is spending $25,000 to install "washing stations". The stations will permit devout Muslims to perform the necessary washing before their multiple periods of prayer throughout the day.

If you're in favor of spending public money to plunk the Ten Commandments in the public square, then I'm sure you'll see no problem with this.

Dearborn is home to a very large and affluent Arab and Muslim community.


(edited to remove a misplaced "don't"...)
Well if you have EVER prayed in a public washroom, a park, a bus, a city stadium, you too are guilty of defrauding the govment and waisting tax dollars on your religious needs. I for one find it disturbing that my tax dollars goes to you praying in my public space.

Howzit feel!

[KA8NCR]

Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,09:28)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,11:27)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,09:26)]What about publicly funded schools taking off on Jewish holidays? They do that around here.

Do you think that is OK?
Do they take off for Christmas?
That doesn't count. That is a federal holiday.

In fact, schools are out for a whole "holiday season" that includes Christian, Jewish and Islamic holidays.


So you would be in favor of Jewish religious observances being a Federal holiday as well?

[K6BBC]

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,09:44)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,09:28)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,11:27)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,09:26)]What about publicly funded schools taking off on Jewish holidays? They do that around here.

Do you think that is OK?
Do they take off for Christmas?
That doesn't count. That is a federal holiday.

In fact, schools are out for a whole "holiday season" that includes Christian, Jewish and Islamic holidays.


So you would be in favor of Jewish religious observances being a Federal holiday as well?
HELL NO! I'm not in favor of Christmas being a Federal holiday either - call me Scrooge.

bbc

[ac4ut]

Quote[/b] (w3bny @ June 05 2007,09:38)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,09:17)]For those who see a problem with the separation of church and state, you'll be heartened to learn that the University of Michigan Dearborn is spending $25,000 to install "washing stations". #The stations will permit devout Muslims to perform the necessary washing before their multiple periods of prayer throughout the day.

If you're in favor of spending public money to plunk the Ten Commandments in the public square, then I'm sure you'll see no problem with this.

Dearborn is home to a very large and affluent Arab and Muslim community.


(edited to remove a misplaced "don't"...)
Well if you have EVER prayed in a public washroom, a park, a bus, a city stadium, you too are guilty of defrauding the govment and waisting tax dollars on your religious needs. #I for one find it disturbing that my tax dollars goes to you praying in my public space.

Howzit feel!
I don't pray in restrooms and actually I have never seen anyone pray in a restroom on the other hand I would never take in whiz in the pews of a church.
I have seen restrooms that need an exorcist.

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,11:44)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,09:28)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,11:27)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,09:26)]What about publicly funded schools taking off on Jewish holidays? They do that around here.

Do you think that is OK?
Do they take off for Christmas?
That doesn't count. That is a federal holiday.

In fact, schools are out for a whole "holiday season" that includes Christian, Jewish and Islamic holidays.


So you would be in favor of Jewish religious observances being a Federal holiday as well?
Absolutely not.

I would prefer to have no religious holidays whatsoever being federal holidays.

However, Christmas today has become a largely secular holiday.

But my point was, if it's okay for the university to pay all of its staff to take off on Jewish holidays, why isn't it okay to put a foot washing basin for Muslims?

It's just the hipocrisy and double standard that I hate, that's all.

[KA8NCR]

Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,10:04)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,11:44)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,09:28)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,11:27)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,09:26)]What about publicly funded schools taking off on Jewish holidays? They do that around here.

Do you think that is OK?
Do they take off for Christmas?
That doesn't count. That is a federal holiday.

In fact, schools are out for a whole "holiday season" that includes Christian, Jewish and Islamic holidays.


So you would be in favor of Jewish religious observances being a Federal holiday as well?
Absolutely not.

I would prefer to have no religious holidays whatsoever being federal holidays.

However, Christmas today has become a largely secular holiday.

But my point was, if it's okay for the university to pay all of its staff to take off on Jewish holidays, why isn't it okay to put a foot washing basin for Muslims?

It's just the hipocrisy and double standard that I hate, that's all.
That is my point; you either can't do it and that includes everyone, or you can do it and you better be prepared to make accommodations for everyone.

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,12:17)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,10:04)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,11:44)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,09:28)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,11:27)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,09:26)]What about publicly funded schools taking off on Jewish holidays? They do that around here.

Do you think that is OK?
Do they take off for Christmas?
That doesn't count. That is a federal holiday.

In fact, schools are out for a whole "holiday season" that includes Christian, Jewish and Islamic holidays.


So you would be in favor of Jewish religious observances being a Federal holiday as well?
Absolutely not.

I would prefer to have no religious holidays whatsoever being federal holidays.

However, Christmas today has become a largely secular holiday.

But my point was, if it's okay for the university to pay all of its staff to take off on Jewish holidays, why isn't it okay to put a foot washing basin for Muslims?

It's just the hipocrisy and double standard that I hate, that's all.
That is my point; you either can't do it and that includes everyone, or you can do it and you better be prepared to make accommodations for everyone.
Well, I don't think anyone is barred from washing their feet! If you're not a Muslim, you're free to wash your feet as well.

Lord knows some people could use a good foot washing! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KI4PJW]

Just a small sampling of articles about Bi-Partisan US support of Islamic Terrorists.

"So, as a proud freeper and american, I decided to lay out some details about the Kosovo conflict and its rebel groups ties to al qaeda. And I ask the question to every american... How does it make you feel knowing the Bill Clinton supported an islamic insurgency against Christians?"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1363436/posts

3. Wall Street Journal- ""For the past 10 years, the most senior leaders of al Qaeda have visited the Balkans, including bin Laden himself on three occasions between 1994 and 1996. The Egyptian surgeon turned terrorist leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri has operated terrorist training camps, weapons of mass destruction factories and money-laundering and drug-training networks throughout the Balkans."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1363436/posts

WAR ON TERRORISM SKIPPED THE KLA
http://www.deltax.net/bissett/a-terrorism.htm

During his stint as NATO Supreme Commander (1997-2000), Wesley Clark was in permanent liaison with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). Under Wesley Clark's command, NATO directly sponsored a terrorist paramilitary army, with links to Al Qaeda and the trans-Balkan narcotics trade.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO310B.html

[ka5piu]

Hello.

Lets make this clear.
THAT University has a Chapel/Mosque/Synagogue that anybody can, within reason, use.
The line was drawn when some students wanted to do the triangle and fire thingy, demonology.
Also, some Catolics were told no candles.
It is the open flame that is the issue.
Just do a search for University of Michigan student associations.
You will find that Christians and Jews as well as Muslims are all welcome on campus.
So installing a washing station is about as out of place as the fully automatic hand soap/water/wash/warm air dry bowl things that are more for the handicapped but work well for washing the feet.
The autoshower is my fav' just stand there and it even washes the hair.
But, I am sure some people get upset over the idea of public toilets.

[KD6NIG]

Can anyone use the stations, or are they restricted to Muslims?

If anyone can, that will be the reasoning. Not just for Muslim use.

If not, then you have a point http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (KI4PJW @ June 05 2007,14:45)]Just a small sampling of articles about Bi-Partisan US support of Islamic Terrorists.

"So, as a proud freeper and american, I decided to lay out some details about the Kosovo conflict and its rebel groups ties to al qaeda. And I ask the question to every american... How does it make you feel knowing the Bill Clinton supported an islamic insurgency against Christians?"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1363436/posts

3. Wall Street Journal- ""For the past 10 years, the most senior leaders of al Qaeda have visited the Balkans, including bin Laden himself on three occasions between 1994 and 1996. The Egyptian surgeon turned terrorist leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri has operated terrorist training camps, weapons of mass destruction factories and money-laundering and drug-training networks throughout the Balkans."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1363436/posts

WAR ON TERRORISM SKIPPED THE KLA
http://www.deltax.net/bissett/a-terrorism.htm

During his stint as NATO Supreme Commander (1997-2000), #Wesley Clark was in permanent liaison with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). Under Wesley Clark's command, NATO directly sponsored a terrorist paramilitary army, with links to Al Qaeda and the trans-Balkan narcotics trade.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO310B.html
This thread has nothing to do with terrorism.

Did a muslim steal your lunch money today?

[ka5piu]

Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ June 05 2007,13:00)]Can anyone use the stations, or are they restricted to Muslims?

If anyone can, that will be the reasoning. # Not just for Muslim use.

If not, then you have a point http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Hello.

Anyone may, within reason, use the facilities of the University.
The computer labs and WiFi access are now limited to registered users but anyone can apply.
Access to the elevators was limited to the handicapped at one time but this policy was ruled against the law.
There is a ban on recording equipment that is ignored.
So, yes, if a person wanted to use the washing station, they could, what would stop them?
And, even if there was a rule against it no one would follow it.

[w3bny]

Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,13:23)]Did a muslim steal your lunch money today?
Must have...or at least his bottle of Faygo http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kc0ukk]

Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ June 05 2007,12:49)]Hello.

Lets make this clear.
THAT University has a Chapel/Mosque/Synagogue that anybody can, within reason, use.
The line was drawn when some students wanted to do the triangle and fire thingy, demonology.
Also, some Catolics were told no candles.
It is the open flame that is the issue.
Just do a search for University of Michigan student associations.
You will find that Christians and Jews as well as Muslims are all welcome on campus.
So installing a washing station is about as out of place as the fully automatic hand soap/water/wash/warm air dry bowl things that are more for the handicapped but work well for washing the feet.
The autoshower is my fav' just stand there and it even washes the hair.
But, I am sure some people get upset over the idea of public toilets.
Would those washing stations have been built if there were no muslims?

[ka5piu]

Quote[/b] (kc0ukk @ June 05 2007,19:24)]Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ June 05 2007,12:49)]Hello.

Lets make this clear.
THAT University has a Chapel/Mosque/Synagogue that anybody can, within reason, use.
The line was drawn when some students wanted to do the triangle and fire thingy, demonology.
Also, some Catolics were told no candles.
It is the open flame that is the issue.
Just do a search for University of Michigan student associations.
You will find that Christians and Jews as well as Muslims are all welcome on campus.
So installing a washing station is about as out of place as the fully automatic hand soap/water/wash/warm air dry bowl things that are more for the handicapped but work well for washing the feet.
The autoshower is my fav' just stand there and it even washes the hair.
But, I am sure some people get upset over the idea of public toilets.
Would those washing stations have been built if there were no muslims?
Hello.

Would the University have been built if there were no students?
What about things like wheelchair ramps?
We can build a building that is 100% in compliance with all of the ADA requirements but be all but inacessable by the handicapped.
Or, we can fill the needs of the community.
And, North Star mall in San Antonio was built with the hanicapped laws in mind.
The parking garage has handicapped parking closest to the entrance of the building, as required by law, but unless you are willing to fall 9 feet to the ground, you will not get to the entrance.
The garage has steps to the ground floor from the row behind a wall.
The other option is to park on the roof of the garage and roll the wheelchair to the elevator, over blacktop.
In summer, blacktop turns to this tar that gets on everything, never mind the fact that your car is all but ready to burst into flames from the heat.
The elevators that the handicapped use are totally in compliance with the rules, but have no AC.
There are changes in the levels of the floors that a person walking can deal with.
A wheelchair bound person must take an elevator to an upper floor and than travel quite a distance to another elevator back down.
Management really does not like the idea of anything but the swinging single image.
Wheelchairs and strollers do not fit in with that image.
Kind of like taking this same bunch to Hooters.
Santa Claus got busted for not wearing enough a few holiday seasons ago.
Hint, Hooters girls fit in just fine there.
So, back on the ranch.
The community wants automatic Wudu machines, they get automatic Wudu machines.
Hooters girls not included.

[KI4PJW]

Quote[/b] (w3bny @ June 04 2007,23:54)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,13:23)]Did a muslim steal your lunch money today?
Must have...or at least his bottle of Faygo #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Just showing that the terrorism gig is Bull P----Y!
This is all about making the world a multicultural cesspool of confusion, hatred and fear to keep everybody buffalo'd while the bandits sneak off with the goodies.

[kf6rdn]

Would Praying to the Porceline God count as religion in a bathroom?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

http://www.howdido.com/noMore/noMore_thumb.gif

[kc0ukk]

Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ June 05 2007,20:37)]Quote[/b] (kc0ukk @ June 05 2007,19:24)]Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ June 05 2007,12:49)]Hello.

Lets make this clear.
THAT University has a Chapel/Mosque/Synagogue that anybody can, within reason, use.
The line was drawn when some students wanted to do the triangle and fire thingy, demonology.
Also, some Catolics were told no candles.
It is the open flame that is the issue.
Just do a search for University of Michigan student associations.
You will find that Christians and Jews as well as Muslims are all welcome on campus.
So installing a washing station is about as out of place as the fully automatic hand soap/water/wash/warm air dry bowl things that are more for the handicapped but work well for washing the feet.
The autoshower is my fav' just stand there and it even washes the hair.
But, I am sure some people get upset over the idea of public toilets.
Would those washing stations have been built if there were no muslims?
Hello.

Would the University have been built if there were no students?
What about things like wheelchair ramps?
We can build a building that is 100% in compliance with all of the ADA requirements but be all but inacessable by the handicapped.
Or, we can fill the needs of the community.
And, North Star mall in San Antonio was built with the hanicapped laws in mind.
The parking garage has handicapped parking closest to the entrance of the building, as required by law, but unless you are willing to fall 9 feet to the ground, you will not get to the entrance.
The garage has steps to the ground floor from the row behind a wall.
The other option is to park on the roof of the garage and roll the wheelchair to the elevator, over blacktop.
In summer, blacktop turns to this tar that gets on everything, never mind the fact that your car is all but ready to burst into flames from the heat.
The elevators that the handicapped use are totally in compliance with the rules, but have no AC.
There are changes in the levels of the floors that a person walking can deal with.
A wheelchair bound person must take an elevator to an upper floor and than travel quite a distance to another elevator back down.
Management really does not like the idea of anything but the swinging single image.
Wheelchairs and strollers do not fit in with that image.
Kind of like taking this same bunch to Hooters.
Santa Claus got busted for not wearing enough a few holiday seasons ago.
Hint, Hooters girls fit in just fine there.
So, back on the ranch.
The community wants automatic Wudu machines, they get automatic Wudu machines.
Hooters girls not included.
Then you would agree with those who would have us install Holy Water Fonts in our public facilities for those who need to bless themselves?

Like Holy Water Fonts, foot washing stations are provided to facilitate a religious ceremony, not because our our students have exceptionally dirty feet.

Sinks and toilets, on the other hand, fill a genuine sanitary requirement; one is needed mostly because of the other. While my sister had some religious connection to our bathroom sink (it might have been the mirror, I'm uncertain which) most folks do not.

Schools, fire stations, buses, airplanes, streets, and yes, even wheelchair ramps are not provided for religious purposes either, although they may play such a role upon rare occasions.

I've seen more bidets than foot washing stations, and damn few bidets at that. That informs me, if experience is to be my guide, that if we are to install anything in our public facilities, we should install bidets.

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (w3bny @ June 05 2007,09:38)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,09:17)]For those who see a problem with the separation of church and state, you'll be heartened to learn that the University of Michigan Dearborn is spending $25,000 to install "washing stations". #The stations will permit devout Muslims to perform the necessary washing before their multiple periods of prayer throughout the day.

If you're in favor of spending public money to plunk the Ten Commandments in the public square, then I'm sure you'll see no problem with this.

Dearborn is home to a very large and affluent Arab and Muslim community.


(edited to remove a misplaced "don't"...)
Well if you have EVER prayed in a public washroom, a park, a bus, a city stadium, you too are guilty of defrauding the govment and waisting tax dollars on your religious needs. #I for one find it disturbing that my tax dollars goes to you praying in my public space.

Howzit feel!
I pray all the time in public rest rooms. Please God, let my Flomax work.

[ka5s]

Seems to be a problem for everyone except the students who are paying for it.
LINK (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070605/SCHOOLS/706050368)

It might also be a good idea to know what the Muslims DO (http://www.islam.com/salat/wudhu.htm) with them.

FWIW, foot washing is an ancient Near Eastern custom attested to in the New Testament. (http://www.gotquestions.org/foot-washing.html)


Cortland
KA5S

[w3bny]

Quote[/b] (wd0ct @ June 05 2007,22:12)]I pray all the time in public rest rooms. Please God, let my Flomax work.
Guess thats better than

"Please god, let my Levitra work" or "Please god, let my Levitra wear off!" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (KI4PJW @ June 05 2007,22:58)]Quote[/b] (w3bny @ June 04 2007,23:54)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,13:23)]Did a muslim steal your lunch money today?
Must have...or at least his bottle of Faygo http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Just showing that the terrorism gig is Bull P----Y!
This is all about making the world a multicultural cesspool of confusion, hatred and fear to keep everybody buffalo'd while the bandits sneak off with the goodies.
Multiculturalism is good.

White supremacy is not.

Like it or not, you share this earth with other races and religions.

Either accept that or stay away from people.

[KI4PJW]

Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,11:52)]Quote[/b] (KI4PJW @ June 05 2007,22:58)]Quote[/b] (w3bny @ June 04 2007,23:54)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,13:23)]Did a muslim steal your lunch money today?
Must have...or at least his bottle of Faygo #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Just showing that the terrorism gig is Bull P----Y! #
This is all about making the world a multicultural cesspool of confusion, hatred and fear to keep everybody buffalo'd while the bandits sneak off with the goodies.
Multiculturalism is good.

White supremacy is not.

Like it or not, you share this earth with other races and religions.

Either accept that or stay away from people.
Hey Bud,

The statement is not about Race!, It ain't even about religion! Rather, the idiotic idea that the new government "Socialist Way" (Social Engineering) is what is destroying the harmony and natural balance among people on the Planet.
I grew up, as did most on this froum, watching the negative consequences of forced intergration. People know who and what they want and like naturally and don't like it when they are forced to do things in order to fulfill the goals of some pet Social Project.
There is a natural order among people and when it is disturbed the consequences are negative. People who share common beliefs, cultures, looks etc., prefer to stick together and rightly so, it prevents conflict.
There is a story in pretty much every religious book that reinforces the principle and many, many secular ones as well. The so called "Dumb Animals" know instinctually there is a natural order and don't tamper with it.
So as far as what you are telling me about White Supremacy, I respectfully ask for a little more reflection on a subject before you assume that someone is an White Supremacist.
Get thy mind off of "The Base" that is what the enemy is counting on in the battle to destroy freedom, for all Peoples.

AL Quaeda translated is, "The Base". Research and find out who created it and continues to fund it.


WILLNOTBOW!!!

[w3bny]

Quote[/b] (KI4PJW @ June 06 2007,06:28)]AL Quaeda translated is, "The Base". Research and find out who created it and continues to fund it.


WILLNOTBOW!!!
Research somemore. The base...is the Database. It refers to a Database of operatives/Jihadis that were part of the cause.


P.S. Didnt ask you to bow. A curtsey would be quooote though! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KI4PJW]

Quote[/b] (w3bny @ June 05 2007,13:41)]Quote[/b] (KI4PJW @ June 06 2007,06:28)]AL Quaeda translated is, "The Base". #Research and find out who created it and continues to fund it.


WILLNOTBOW!!!
Research somemore. #The base...is the Database. #It refers to a Database of operatives/Jihadis that were part of the cause.


P.S. #Didnt ask you to bow. #A curtsey would be quooote though! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Hey Man,

Play on words, as, I see you get.
Don't go for any of that loyal subject scraping, groveling stuff, but, will shake your hand and talk to you as an equal.

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (KI4PJW @ June 06 2007,08:28)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,11:52)]Quote[/b] (KI4PJW @ June 05 2007,22:58)]Quote[/b] (w3bny @ June 04 2007,23:54)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,13:23)]Did a muslim steal your lunch money today?
Must have...or at least his bottle of Faygo http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Just showing that the terrorism gig is Bull P----Y!
This is all about making the world a multicultural cesspool of confusion, hatred and fear to keep everybody buffalo'd while the bandits sneak off with the goodies.
Multiculturalism is good.

White supremacy is not.

Like it or not, you share this earth with other races and religions.

Either accept that or stay away from people.
Hey Bud,

The statement is not about Race!, It ain't even about religion! Rather, the idiotic idea that the new government "Socialist Way" (Social Engineering) is what is destroying the harmony and natural balance among people on the Planet.
I grew up, as did most on this froum, watching the negative consequences of forced intergration. People know who and what they want and like naturally and don't like it when they are forced to do things in order to fulfill the goals of some pet Social Project.
There is a natural order among people and when it is disturbed the consequences are negative. People who share common beliefs, cultures, looks etc., prefer to stick together and rightly so, it prevents conflict.
There is a story in pretty much every religious book that reinforces the principle and many, many secular ones as well. The so called "Dumb Animals" know instinctually there is a natural order and don't tamper with it.
So as far as what you are telling me about White Supremacy, I respectfully ask for a little more reflection on a subject before you assume that someone is an White Supremacist.
Get thy mind off of "The Base" that is what the enemy is counting on in the battle to destroy freedom, for all Peoples.

AL Quaeda translated is, "The Base". Research and find out who created it and continues to fund it.


WILLNOTBOW!!!
Doesn't matter.

Race/religion are related issues. It goes hand in hand.

You are a hater of different races and religions.

[KI4PJW]

Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,14:57)]Quote[/b] (KI4PJW @ June 06 2007,08:28)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,11:52)]Quote[/b] (KI4PJW @ June 05 2007,22:58)]Quote[/b] (w3bny @ June 04 2007,23:54)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 05 2007,13:23)]Did a muslim steal your lunch money today?
Must have...or at least his bottle of Faygo #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Just showing that the terrorism gig is Bull P----Y! #
This is all about making the world a multicultural cesspool of confusion, hatred and fear to keep everybody buffalo'd while the bandits sneak off with the goodies.
Multiculturalism is good.

White supremacy is not.

Like it or not, you share this earth with other races and religions.

Either accept that or stay away from people.
Hey Bud,

The statement is not about Race!, It ain't even about religion! #Rather, the idiotic idea that the new government "Socialist Way" (Social Engineering) is what is destroying the harmony and natural balance among people on the Planet. #
I grew up, as did most on this froum, watching the negative consequences of forced intergration. #People know who and what they want and like naturally and don't like it when they are forced to do things in order to fulfill the goals of some pet Social Project.
There is a natural order among people and when it is disturbed the consequences are negative. #People who share common beliefs, cultures, looks #etc., prefer to stick together and rightly so, it prevents conflict.
There is a story in pretty much every religious book that reinforces the principle and many, many secular ones as well. #The so called "Dumb Animals" know instinctually there is a natural order and don't tamper with it.
So as far as what you are telling me about White Supremacy, #I respectfully ask for a little more reflection on a subject before you assume that someone is an White Supremacist.
Get thy mind off of "The Base" that is what the enemy is counting on in the battle to destroy freedom, for all Peoples.

AL Quaeda translated is, "The Base". #Research and find out who created it and continues to fund it.


WILLNOTBOW!!!
Doesn't matter. #

Race/religion are related issues. #It goes hand in hand.

You are a hater of different races and religions.
I don't hate you, Hell I don't hate my Jewish Cousin, My Christian GrandMother (RIP),or my Bi-racial niece. So evidently what I hate is stupidity.

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ June 05 2007,03:17)]For those who see a problem with the separation of church and state, you'll be heartened to learn that the University of Michigan Dearborn is spending $25,000 to install "washing stations". The stations will permit devout Muslims to perform the necessary washing before their multiple periods of prayer throughout the day.

If you're in favor of spending public money to plunk the Ten Commandments in the public square, then I'm sure you'll see no problem with this.

Dearborn is home to a very large and affluent Arab and Muslim community.


(edited to remove a misplaced "don't"...)
OMG! Spending tax dollars for clean people.

Let them eat dirt.

[n2ize]

We need to spend public money for people to wash their feet so they can pray ? No, I am sorry, that is going to far. There is no reason to spend tax dollars to accomodate someones religious whims. This goes for any religion. If you need to pray 60 times a day and you need to wash your feet, buttocks or whatever everytime you pray then please, go home, wash and pray. There is no reason why tax dollars have to go for this nonsense. If you have unusual religous needs then it should be up to you to figure out how to deal, or not deal. with it. It's not up to taxpayers to build special facilities for this.

Hey, look, what if my religion requires me to pray in front of a huge bonfire 10 times a day. Therefore I want taxpayers to provide special burning stations all over the country where I can make my bonfire and pray throughout the day. Should taxpayers have to foot that bill ?

[K0RGR]

Folks - you're missing the point here.

Devout Muslims are going to pray. From my observation, for most of them here it is not a wishy-washy requirement like Christians going to church on Sunday. They will pray.

Before they pray, they wash their feet.

If they don't have a special place to wash them, they wash them in the sink.

Do you like the idea of people washing their feet where you wash your hands?

Maybe you want to think twice about contributing your 3 cents toward the cost of a foot-washing station.

I'm sure non-Muslims will find a use for them, as well. I'm afraid most Christians in America will mistake them for bidets, however. The next 9-11 could happen on the day that a Muslim finds someone washing their privates with it.

Besides, providing the stations is a nice gesture that may help the Muslims assimilate into our culture - the only way to keep them from blowing us up, apparently.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ June 06 2007,13:48)]Folks - you're missing the point here.

Devout Muslims are going to pray. From my observation, for most of them here it is not a wishy-washy requirement like Christians going to church on Sunday. They will pray.

Before they pray, they wash their feet.

If they don't have a special place to wash them, they wash them in the sink.

Do you like the idea of people washing their feet where you wash your hands?

Maybe you want to think twice about contributing your 3 cents toward the cost of a foot-washing station.

I'm sure non-Muslims will find a use for them, as well. I'm afraid most Christians in America will mistake them for bidets, however. The next 9-11 could happen on the day that a Muslim finds someone washing their privates with it.

Besides, providing the stations is a nice gesture that may help the Muslims assimilate into our culture - the only way to keep them from blowing us up, apparently.
if they are caught washing their feet in the sink they should be simply fined and/or arrested. They are in THIS country now. If they want special religious accomodations let them go live in a moslem country. We shouldn't have to accmodate and appease people wearing veils, masks and washing feet in public. This is the USA not Saudi Arabia.

That said it will never happen. many of these Islamics also bring lots of money here. They own lots of business and have a huge financial stake and investment in this country. They will most likely be accomodated long before the rest of us.

[KA8DKT]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ June 07 2007,20:22)]Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ June 06 2007,13:48)]Folks - you're missing the point here.

Devout Muslims are going to pray. From my observation, for most of them here it is not a wishy-washy requirement like Christians going to church on Sunday. They will pray.

Before they pray, they wash their feet.

If they don't have a special place to wash them, they wash them in the sink.

Do you like the idea of people washing their feet where you wash your hands?

Maybe you want to think twice about contributing your 3 cents toward the cost of a foot-washing station.

I'm sure non-Muslims will find a use for them, as well. I'm afraid most Christians in America will mistake them for bidets, however. The next 9-11 could happen on the day that a Muslim finds someone washing their privates with it.

Besides, providing the stations is a nice gesture that may help the Muslims assimilate into our culture - the only way to keep them from blowing us up, apparently.
if they are caught washing their feet in the sink they should be simply fined and/or #arrested. They are in THIS country now. If they want special religious accomodations let them go live in a moslem country. We shouldn't have to accmodate and appease people wearing veils, masks and washing feet in public. This is the USA not Saudi Arabia.

That said it will never happen. many of these Islamics also bring lots of money here. They own lots of business and have a huge financial stake and investment in this country. They will most likely be accomodated long before the rest of us.
We cannot buy liquor on Sunday to accomodate Christian beliefs, in fact, we used to not allow most commerce on Sunday. #We have an official holiday for Christmas and Easter to accomodate Christian beliefs. #Christian churches do not pay property and income taxes (along with other religions) even though they run their religions and churches like businesses...all to accomodate their religion.

On another hand, what's wrong with Muslims washing their feet in a sink? #People wipe their a** and wash their hands in the sink. #I'd bet the bacteria from someone's, well, a**, is as bad or worse than what might be found on their feet. (I know you use toilet paper, but if you don't think you get a lot of bacteria on your hands and all the way up to your forearms when you wipe, think again folks!)

In fact we are so accomodating to Christians that we allow charlatans like Pat Robertson, Jim Bakker, and Jerry Falwell to get away with cheating millions of Americans out of their earnings or savings. #

So, what is your problem with Muslims washing their feet in the sink in a public restroom before praying? #I would think that Christians would like a religion that prays a lot. #Christianity preaches to pray a lot. #It is the same god. #A good part of the Islamic Bible is the same as the Christians'.

-gary

[w4wtf]

Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ June 06 2007,08:57)]Doesn't matter. #

Race/religion are related issues. #It goes hand in hand.
Race and religion are very different things.

Race is an accident of birth.

Religion is a choice. Much the same as political affiliation is.

Judging others based simply on race is illogical. If I see a black man he is just another person.

If he faces Mecca and prays or thanks Jesus before his meal, that is a choice, unlike the color of his skin. Still, it doesn't tell you much about him.

If he is holding a sign that reads "Islam will dominate the world" or "God hates fags", I will judge him on that. I have a serious dislike and distrust of radical Islam (among other radical things) and that is not racist in any way.... being a radical islamist, a radical christian, or a radical evironmentalist (the new pseudo-religion for many it seems) are all choices.

Don't confuse accidents of birth with choices made by people.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (KA8DKT @ June 07 2007,18:27)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ June 07 2007,20:22)]Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ June 06 2007,13:48)]Folks - you're missing the point here.

Devout Muslims are going to pray. From my observation, for most of them here it is not a wishy-washy requirement like Christians going to church on Sunday. They will pray.

Before they pray, they wash their feet.

If they don't have a special place to wash them, they wash them in the sink.

Do you like the idea of people washing their feet where you wash your hands?

Maybe you want to think twice about contributing your 3 cents toward the cost of a foot-washing station.

I'm sure non-Muslims will find a use for them, as well. I'm afraid most Christians in America will mistake them for bidets, however. The next 9-11 could happen on the day that a Muslim finds someone washing their privates with it.

Besides, providing the stations is a nice gesture that may help the Muslims assimilate into our culture - the only way to keep them from blowing us up, apparently.
if they are caught washing their feet in the sink they should be simply fined and/or #arrested. They are in THIS country now. If they want special religious accomodations let them go live in a moslem country. We shouldn't have to accmodate and appease people wearing veils, masks and washing feet in public. This is the USA not Saudi Arabia.

That said it will never happen. many of these Islamics also bring lots of money here. They own lots of business and have a huge financial stake and investment in this country. They will most likely be accomodated long before the rest of us.
We cannot buy liquor on Sunday to accomodate Christian beliefs, in fact, we used to not allow most commerce on Sunday. #We have an official holiday for Christmas and Easter to accomodate Christian beliefs. #Christian churches do not pay property and income taxes (along with other religions) even though they run their religions and churches like businesses...all to accomodate their religious beliefs.

On another hand, what's wrong with Muslims washing their feet in a sink? #People wipe their a** and wash their hands in the sink. #I'd bet the bacteria from someone's, well, a**, is as bad or worse than what might be found on their feet. (I know you use toilet paper, but if you don't think you get a lot of bacteria on your hands and all the way up to your forearms when you wipe, think again folks!)

In fact we are so accomodating to Christians that we allow charlatans like Pat Robertson, Jim Bakker, and Jerry Falwell to get away with cheating millions of Americans out of their earnings or savings. #

So, what is your problem with Muslims washing their feet in the sink in a public restroom before praying? #I would think that Christians would like a religion that prays a lot. #Christianity preaches to pray a lot. #It is the same god. #A good part of the Islamic Bible is the same as the Christians'.

-gary
Taking off shoes in public, washing feet in sinks, etc. is unsanitary. It is how infections like cellulitis are spread. Know what cellulitis is ? It's an infection that starts in the foot/ankle and lower leg. The leg starts to get swollen, red, and hot and painful as the infection spreads up the leg and fever, chills and weakness ensue. I know, I had it once. The treatmen requires getting admitted to a hospital and you lay there (sometimes for days) as antibiotics are pumped into your veins. You remain on antibiotics sometimes for weeks afterwards. Washing feet, buttocks or any other privates in a sink is disgusting and unsanitary. Let them wash their feet and pray at home if it is so important.

[KA8DKT]

I would say "circumstances of birth" rather than "accidents". #But your point is essentially correct.
-gary

[kf6rdn]

Let 'em use a hose outside, or use a wetnap. (baby buttwipe).

Why have ANOTHER facility?

[w4wtf]

Quote[/b] (KA8DKT @ June 07 2007,18:45)]I would say "circumstances of birth" rather than "accidents". #But your point is essentially correct.
-gary
It is an old saying written into law in some cases. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_of_birth)

[KA8DKT]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ June 07 2007,21:44)]Quote[/b] (KA8DKT @ June 07 2007,18:27)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ June 07 2007,20:22)]Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ June 06 2007,13:48)]Folks - you're missing the point here.

Devout Muslims are going to pray. From my observation, for most of them here it is not a wishy-washy requirement like Christians going to church on Sunday. They will pray.

Before they pray, they wash their feet.

If they don't have a special place to wash them, they wash them in the sink.

Do you like the idea of people washing their feet where you wash your hands?

Maybe you want to think twice about contributing your 3 cents toward the cost of a foot-washing station.

I'm sure non-Muslims will find a use for them, as well. I'm afraid most Christians in America will mistake them for bidets, however. The next 9-11 could happen on the day that a Muslim finds someone washing their privates with it.

Besides, providing the stations is a nice gesture that may help the Muslims assimilate into our culture - the only way to keep them from blowing us up, apparently.
if they are caught washing their feet in the sink they should be simply fined and/or #arrested. They are in THIS country now. If they want special religious accomodations let them go live in a moslem country. We shouldn't have to accmodate and appease people wearing veils, masks and washing feet in public. This is the USA not Saudi Arabia.

That said it will never happen. many of these Islamics also bring lots of money here. They own lots of business and have a huge financial stake and investment in this country. They will most likely be accomodated long before the rest of us.
We cannot buy liquor on Sunday to accomodate Christian beliefs, in fact, we used to not allow most commerce on Sunday. #We have an official holiday for Christmas and Easter to accomodate Christian beliefs. #Christian churches do not pay property and income taxes (along with other religions) even though they run their religions and churches like businesses...all to accomodate their religious beliefs.

On another hand, what's wrong with Muslims washing their feet in a sink? #People wipe their a** and wash their hands in the sink. #I'd bet the bacteria from someone's, well, a**, is as bad or worse than what might be found on their feet. (I know you use toilet paper, but if you don't think you get a lot of bacteria on your hands and all the way up to your forearms when you wipe, think again folks!)

In fact we are so accomodating to Christians that we allow charlatans like Pat Robertson, Jim Bakker, and Jerry Falwell to get away with cheating millions of Americans out of their earnings or savings. #

So, what is your problem with Muslims washing their feet in the sink in a public restroom before praying? #I would think that Christians would like a religion that prays a lot. #Christianity preaches to pray a lot. #It is the same god. #A good part of the Islamic Bible is the same as the Christians'.

-gary
Taking off shoes in public, washing feet in sinks, etc. is unsanitary. It is how infections like cellulitis are spread. Know what cellulitis is ? It's an infection that starts in the foot/ankle and lower leg. The leg starts to get swollen, red, and hot and painful as the infection spreads up the leg and fever, chills and weakness ensue. I know, I had it once. The treatmen requires getting admitted to a hospital and you lay there #(sometimes for days) as antibiotics are pumped into your veins. You remain on antibiotics sometimes for weeks afterwards. #Washing feet, buttocks or any other privates in a sink is disgusting and unsanitary. Let them wash their feet and pray at home if it is so important.
Ah, ever heard of E. Coli? #It is on your hands forearms after you wipe. #You wash your hands in the sink. #The E. Coli is now in the sink, just like any other infectious pathogen that might get into the sink from washing feet or other body parts.

Personally, I am not for accomodating any religious beliefs in public places. #Nor am I for accomodating religions when it comes to public commerce. #But if we make accommodations for one or two religions, we should make accomodations for all religions.

-gary