WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK JIMMA

[K3XR]

Can you play bingo Jimma?

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=11470

[N9XR]

Once again, Dan makes fun of the southern accent.

Oh yeah. Neocons can make fun of southerners!

[K6BBC]

Clearly one failed president recognizes another. I think Carter is relieved he lived to see a more inept person in the White House than he.

bbc

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ May 21 2007,12:43)]Once again, Dan makes fun of the southern accent.

Oh yeah. #Neocons can make fun of southerners!
Yes, as long as their last name is Carter and they see UFOs.

[K0RGR]

Jimmy Carter was not a great president. I voted for Reagan twice because the weakness of the Jimmy Carter presidency was doing great harm to the U.S..

But, at the same time, Carter stood up for American principles. That got him in trouble with some of our alleged friends. It's tragic that he didn't apply the same standards - his loathing for dictators - to the Shah of Iran when he had the opportunity to do so - it might have spared us the last 25 years of enmity with Tehran. Instead, he just made the friendly dictators we chose to support around the world unhappy with us, and we decided we cared more about what those dictators think than what our principles are.

Carter also surrounded himself with people of questionable talents, at best. Some of them were idiots - like Joan Claybrook. These people did not serve him well.

So, if Carter criticizes GWB for having a lack of principles, I think he is highly qualified. He is also correct.

[K6UEY]

I think the best thing for JIMMA is to stay out of Politics,he was never cut out for that. He should go back to building houses's at least there he can do some good!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[w5klb]

I voted for Carter. He was the first president that I was old enough to cast my vote for. We've all done things that we later regretted when we were young. But the good thing was that I learned from this mistake and never voted for another Democratic Presidential Candidate again. #

[K9STH]

I met Jimmy Carter when he was running for Governor of Georgia. He was the keynote speaker at the high school graduation ceremony of my wife's eldest niece.

Jimmy Carter was definitely a very honorable man. Unfortunately, being honorable does not always make a capable President.

Glen, K9STH

[AC0H]

Ever notice it's always the former democrat presidents and vice presidents criticizing former or sitting republican presidents? Whereas the former republican presidents and vice presidents respect the time honored tradition of not publicly criticizing a sitting president or his policies.

What can we surmise from this?

The former republican presidents have more respect for the office of the presidency than do the democrats. Probably way more class too.

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ May 21 2007,12:27)]Ever notice it's always the former democrat presidents and vice presidents criticizing former or sitting republican presidents? Whereas the former republican presidents and vice presidents respect the time honored tradition of not publicly criticizing a sitting president or his policies.

What can we surmise from this?

The former republican presidents have more respect for the office of the presidency than do the democrats. Probably way more class too.
Oh get REAL, Kevin.

I guess you didn't catch Gerald Ford's speech at the 1980 Republican convention. He was (bitterly) ripping Jimmy a new one.

Bush I wasn't exactly silent during the Clinton years. Nixon wrote books critical of former Democratic (that's the name of the party, not "democrat" party, please refrain from being illiterate) Presidents.

Your comments are more talk radio spin. You're smarter than that.

Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] (nx6d @ May 21 2007,15:35)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ May 21 2007,12:27)]Ever notice it's always the former democrat presidents and vice presidents criticizing former or sitting republican presidents? Whereas the former republican presidents and vice presidents respect the time honored tradition of not publicly criticizing a sitting president or his policies.

What can we surmise from this?

The former republican presidents have more respect for the office of the presidency than do the democrats. Probably way more class too.
Oh get REAL, Kevin.

I guess you didn't catch Gerald Ford's speech at the 1980 Republican convention. He was (bitterly) ripping Jimmy a new one.

Bush I wasn't exactly silent during the Clinton years. Nixon wrote books critical of former Democratic (that's the name of the party, not "democrat" party, please refrain from being illiterate) Presidents.

Your comments are more talk radio spin. You're smarter than that.

Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
BIG difference Dave.

Ford's ripping of Peanut Boy happened at the convention during an election. Can you quote me time and place when Bush I publicly criticized, or specifically called a press conference to take a shot at Billy Jeff after he took office? I don't think you can.

Admit it Dave. Peanut Boy is running for another Nobel Peace Prize nomination and needs some publicity. Listening to him criticize ANY former or sitting president for their policies conjures up visions of pots and kettles in a yelling match.

[AE6IP]

My, my, my, we're sure working hard here to kill the messenger.

Typical behavior from people who know the message is valid.

[K1VSK]

Unfortunatley it seems people like Carter, who exemplify honor and integrity don't make the list of favorite or most popular Presidents but people like or incuding Regan do...
As the old saying goes, "no one ever lost an election under-estimating the intelligence of the American public.

[kc7jty]

I always thought Jimmy Carter a boob until just recently.

[kc7jty]

double bubble

[KE5FRF]

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/j/T/timmy_CrippleFight_400.jpg

I know it's "Timmah" not Jimmah (well, there's a Jimmy in there too) , but I couldn't resist. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[K3XR]

"Peanut envy" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

http://www.slate.com/id/2166661/

[n4sva]

Carter's legacy:

Stagflation
Gas Lines
14+% Mortgage Rates
The giving away of the Panama Canal
Severing relations with Democratic Taiwan in favor of Red China.
Iran Hostages.
and most of all, his brother Billy.

[K1VSK]

Quote[/b] (n4sva @ May 21 2007,17:43)]Carter's legacy:

Stagflation
Gas Lines
14+% Mortgage Rates
The giving away of the Panama Canal
Severing relations with Democratic Taiwan in favor of Red China.
Iran Hostages.
and most of all, his brother Billy.
Virtually all of these, with the exception of the Panama Canal which was an inevitability and making friends with the most populated country in the world for clearly economic reasons, are the result of policies he inherited from his predecessor. Billy was family which is hardly legacy.

[KW4MW]

Quote[/b] ]Virtually all of these, with the exception of the Panama Canal which was an inevitability and making friends with the most populated country in the world for clearly economic reasons, are the result of policies he inherited from his predecessor. Billy was family which is hardly legacy.

So Bill Clinton was responsible for 911 after all, at least by using your logic. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ May 21 2007,20:18)]Quote[/b] ]Virtually all of these, with the exception of the Panama Canal which was an inevitability and making friends with the most populated country in the world for clearly economic reasons, are the result of policies he inherited from his predecessor. Billy was family which is hardly legacy.

So Bill Clinton was responsible for 911 after all, at least by using your logic. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Funny how that works both ways eh?

Can't wait for the answer.

[K1VSK]

Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ May 21 2007,18:18)]Quote[/b] ]Virtually all of these, with the exception of the Panama Canal which was an inevitability and making friends with the most populated country in the world for clearly economic reasons, are the result of policies he inherited from his predecessor. Billy was family which is hardly legacy.

So Bill Clinton was responsible for 911 after all, at least by using your logic. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Stick to something at which you are good - clever obviously isn't an option...

As an example you cannot conceivably believe the fundamantal cause(s) of inflation are created virtually instantaneously, can you?

It's a rhetorical question so don't bother, please!

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (K1VSK @ May 21 2007,20:32)]Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ May 21 2007,18:18)]Quote[/b] ]Virtually all of these, with the exception of the Panama Canal which was an inevitability and making friends with the most populated country in the world for clearly economic reasons, are the result of policies he inherited from his predecessor. Billy was family which is hardly legacy.

So Bill Clinton was responsible for 911 after all, at least by using your logic. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Stick to something at which you are good - clever obviously isn't an option...

As an example you cannot conceivably believe the fundamantal cause(s) of inflation are created virtually instantaneously, can you?

It's a rhetorical question so don't bother, please!
Just as the building up of hostilitites in the Arab world and softened counter-intelligence culture didn't occur on Sept 10, 2001 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[KW4MW]

vsk
Quote[/b] ]Stick to something at which you are good - clever obviously isn't an option...

Ah yes, defeated by his own logic he resorts to the snappy insult. #Typical Lib-Bot protocol.

FRF
Quote[/b] ]Just as the building up of hostilitites in the Arab world and softened counter-intelligence culture didn't occur on Sept 10, 2001

What he said.

[W1GUH]

Well, for the benefit of those who don't know what former President Jimmy Carter said, here it is:


Quote[/b] ]"I think as far as the adverse impact on the nation around the world, this administration has been the worst in history," Carter said in an interview with the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette published Saturday. In a separate interview with the British Broadcasting Corporation, also broadcast Saturday, Carter criticized outgoing British Prime Minister Tony Blair for having a "loyal, blind, apparently subservient" relationship with Bush, largely because Blair went along with Bush's "pre-emptive war" with Iraq.

Link to U.S. News (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070521/21bushcarter.htm)

He may have not been all that much of a President, but he's speaking the truth here. w is "the worst in history."

I find that statement highly relevant these days...and I think the majority of Americans agree.

I really loved the biased nature of the American Spectator article. Lots of comic relief there! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[K3XR]

DEMS, and the Jimma problem.

http://www.townhall.com/columni....ts=true (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=democrats_need_to_reprimand_c arter_-_now&ns=AustinHill&dt=05/21/2007&page=full&comments=true)

[w8jas]

Quote[/b] (n4sva @ May 20 2007,20:43)]Carter's legacy:

Stagflation
Gas Lines
14+% Mortgage Rates
The giving away of the Panama Canal
Severing relations with Democratic Taiwan in favor of Red China.
Iran Hostages.
and most of all, his brother Billy.
>Misery Index
>444 days
>22% credit card interest - I think of Jimmy with each credit card statement.
>double digit inflation
>oil embargo
>killer/attack rabbits
>UFO sightings
>55MPH speed limit
>"first momma"/CB de-reg.

One good thing that Jimmy did, he gave us 8 yrs of Ronald Reagan.

[K1VSK]

Quote[/b] (w8jas @ May 22 2007,06:42)]Quote[/b] (n4sva @ May 20 2007,20:43)]Carter's legacy:

Stagflation
Gas Lines
14+% Mortgage Rates
The giving away of the Panama Canal
Severing relations with Democratic Taiwan in favor of Red China.
Iran Hostages.
and most of all, his brother Billy.
>Misery Index
>444 days
>22% credit card interest - I think of Jimmy with each credit card statement.
>double digit inflation
>oil embargo
>killer/attack rabbits
>UFO sightings
>55MPH speed limit
>"first momma"/CB de-reg.

One good thing that Jimmy did, he gave us 8 yrs of Ronald Reagan.
One thing on which we can agree is the last one, however, history has yet to be written if that one was in fact "good". A few on your list are redundant (first, third and 4th ones) but it's apparent you'd choose to highlight those for other reasons, regardless of which administration actually caused it (them).

[W4HAY]

The Rankest Ex-President
Quote[/b] ]As a great man once said, there he goes again! "Former President Carter says President Bush's administration is 'the worst in history' in international relations, taking aim at the White House's policy of pre-emptive war and its Middle East diplomacy," the Associated Press reports...

*****
...Bush did a lot better than Carter. Out of 40 presidents, Bush finished 19th, with an average score of 3.01. Carter was in 34th place, with an average of 2.24--ahead of only John Tyler, Millard Fillmore, Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, Warren Harding and James Buchanan...

*****
...it's likely that if the survey were conducted again today, Bush's rating would be lower, as one suspects Republicans are less happy with him now than in 2005.

Still, he would have a long way to fall to reach Carterian depths--and Carter, now out of office more than 26 years, is likelier to remain mired in those depths for centuries to come.
One Man's Ghost Is Another's Statesman
Quote[/b] ]President Bush, naturally, didn't deign to answer Jimmy Carter's latest cavils, but a spokesman, Tony Fratto, did say this: "I think it's sad that President Carter's reckless personal criticism is out there. I think it's unfortunate. And I think he is proving to be increasingly irrelevant with these kinds of comments."

This prompted the following hilarious observation from Reuters:

"Carter has been an outspoken critic of Bush, but the White House has largely refrained from attacking him in return. Sunday's sharp response marks a departure from the deference that sitting presidents traditionally have shown their predecessors."

In the fun-house world of Reuterville, Osama bin Laden is a "freedom fighter," and the tradition of ex-presidents to defer to the current president is flipped on its head.

The Carter problem was anticipated by Alexander Hamilton, who wrote in Federalist No. 72:

"Would it promote the peace of the community, or the stability of the government to have half a dozen men who had had credit enough to be raised to the seat of the supreme magistracy, wandering among the people like discontented ghosts, and sighing for a place which they were destined never more to possess?"

Hamilton was actually arguing against term limits for the president--the idea being that bitter exes, barred by law from seeking the office again, would, well, go around acting like Jimmy Carter...

More Jimmy-the-'C' chuckles here: http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110010106

Miz Lillian was right -- Billy was the smarter one!

[KW4MW]

http://boortz.com/images/funny/052207_carter.gif

[nz3m]

In 1977, Carter said the world will be drained of oil by the late 80's
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[W1GUH]

Quote[/b] (K1VSK @ May 21 2007,08:23)]Quote[/b] (w8jas @ May 22 2007,06:42)]Quote[/b] (n4sva @ May 20 2007,20:43)]Carter's legacy:

Stagflation
Gas Lines
14+% Mortgage Rates
The giving away of the Panama Canal
Severing relations with Democratic Taiwan in favor of Red China.
Iran Hostages.
and most of all, his brother Billy.
>Misery Index
>444 days
>22% credit card interest - I think of Jimmy with each credit card statement.
>double digit inflation
>oil embargo
>killer/attack rabbits
>UFO sightings
>55MPH speed limit
>"first momma"/CB de-reg.

One good thing that Jimmy did, he gave us 8 yrs of Ronald Reagan.
One thing on which we can agree is the last one, however, history has yet to be written if that one was in fact "good". #A few on your list are redundant (first, third and 4th ones) but it's apparent you'd choose to highlight those for other reasons, regardless of which administration actually caused it (them).
ronnie? good for the country? #Get outta here...he was a disaster to anyone in the country except the landed gentry. #Are you one of those who refer to "the great unwashed?" #If you are, good for you. #If not, the gov't's been shoving it up your nether regions since ronnie set foot in the oval office. #Wake up to it. #Or do you like it? #Are you programmed to worship these idiots and never see the damage they did?

Not to mention that, with no ronnie, there's no w...so, in a way, ronnie is responsible for w. #Two idiots that have done everything they could to destroy the nation. #Wake up, man, we're sinking fast!

[KA8NCR]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ May 21 2007,13:27)]Ever notice it's always the former democrat presidents and vice presidents criticizing former or sitting republican presidents? Whereas the former republican presidents and vice presidents respect the time honored tradition of not publicly criticizing a sitting president or his policies.

What can we surmise from this?

The former republican presidents have more respect for the office of the presidency than do the democrats. Probably way more class too.
What I surmise is that yet again a conservative apologist alludes to some form of superiority when the evidence and reality explicitly refutes the claim.

President Gerald Ford did a number of interviews with local media and they were released after his death. The summary: Ford ripped our current president a "new one". Not only that, he had good things to say about Carter and not so stellar things to say about Nixon.

What can we surmise from this? You're a big boy, you'll figure it out.

[K3XR]

Let's review Jimma's record.

http://news.yahoo.com/s....ASgfbcF (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20070521/bs_ibd_ibd/2007521issues&printer=1;_ylt=AmJxuB2HyNZK9s6OhvWT5ASgfbcF)

[W4HAY]

Quote[/b] ]When it comes to economic performance, there's no contest: Apart from the early years of the Depression, Jimmy Carter's brief tenure as president was the worst in the 20th century.

Carter's rather smug attempt to rank President Bush as the worst president ever wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so wrong. The irony, of course, is that the peanut farmer from Plains, Ga., shares that distinction with a number of other presidential mismanagers of our nation's economy.

Carter apparently has gotten so used to being called the "greatest living former president" that he's forgotten to consult the record. And what the record shows is he inherited a bad economy and made it worse — much worse — before a man named Ronald Reagan came in and changed course...

*****
...The result can be seen in key indicators of American well-being. Real median after-tax income fell nearly 3% during Carter's last two years. For his entire term, productivity — the fuel for future growth in standards of living — rose a miserable 0.6% a year.

That's why, when candidate Ronald Reagan said, "Ask yourself if you're better off today than you were four years ago," the answer came back a resounding "No."

'Malaise' Maestro: (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=264727202278115)
The sordid details

[W4HAY]

Quote[/b] ]After being told over and over by President Jimmy Carter that America's ability to influence world events was "very limited," the Soviet Union believed him and invaded Afghanistan. And al-Qaida was born.

Carter had the perfect "anti-slogan" for a post-Watergate presidential campaign: "I will never lie to you."

Unfortunately, Carter based America's relationship with the Soviet Union on the delusion that the Russians would never lie to him. He infamously expressed shock that Soviet premier Leonid Brezhnev lied to him during a "hot line" phone call following the Russian invasion of Afghanistan in 1979.

But signals of weakness to the communists from the worst, most naïve president in American history began days after inauguration.

*****
By the time Carter and Brezhnev were literally kissing and hugging one another at the signing of the SALT II accords in Vienna in June of 1979, there already had been a KGB-assisted communist coup in Afghanistan more than a year earlier.

*****
Impotence, in fact, was a badge of honor in the Carter administration. According to British historian Paul Johnson, "The only point on which Carter's men agreed was on America's declining ability to control events."

*****
The Carter administration had made it crystal clear to the Kremlin that the U.S. would do little if anything to oppose the brutal influx of tens of thousands of Soviet troops that began moving into Afghanistan on Christmas Eve in 1979.

*****
The invasion enraged Osama bin Laden, who went to Afghanistan to join the resistance. There, he met Palestinian radical Muslim scholar Abdullah Azzam, whose slogan was "Jihad and the rifle alone: no negotiations, no conferences, no dialogues."

*****
Together, bin Laden and Azzam founded the mujahideen base Maktab al-Khidamat, or the Afghan Services Bureau. Afghanistan is also where bin Laden met Ayman al-Zawahiri, who would help him found Maktab's successor group — al-Qaida.

Unintended consequences are a common feature of world history. As Jimmy Carter takes snipes at the current president, Americans should not forget that Carter's insistence that America must be weak led directly to Islamic mass murderers becoming powerful enough to slaughter thousands of innocent Americans — and to their current ambition to incinerate millions of us.
Profiles In Incompetence: (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=264813385781653)How Carter Planted Seeds Of Al-Qaida

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] (W4HAY @ May 24 2007,06:55)]Quote[/b] ]After being told over and over by President Jimmy Carter that America's ability to influence world events was "very limited," the Soviet Union believed him and invaded Afghanistan. And al-Qaida was born.

Carter had the perfect "anti-slogan" for a post-Watergate presidential campaign: "I will never lie to you."

Unfortunately, Carter based America's relationship with the Soviet Union on the delusion that the Russians would never lie to him. He infamously expressed shock that Soviet premier Leonid Brezhnev lied to him during a "hot line" phone call following the Russian invasion of Afghanistan in 1979.

But signals of weakness to the communists from the worst, most naïve president in American history began days after inauguration.

*****
By the time Carter and Brezhnev were literally kissing and hugging one another at the signing of the SALT II accords in Vienna in June of 1979, there already had been a KGB-assisted communist coup in Afghanistan more than a year earlier.

*****
Impotence, in fact, was a badge of honor in the Carter administration. According to British historian Paul Johnson, "The only point on which Carter's men agreed was on America's declining ability to control events."

*****
The Carter administration had made it crystal clear to the Kremlin that the U.S. would do little if anything to oppose the brutal influx of tens of thousands of Soviet troops that began moving into Afghanistan on Christmas Eve in 1979.

*****
The invasion enraged Osama bin Laden, who went to Afghanistan to join the resistance. There, he met Palestinian radical Muslim scholar Abdullah Azzam, whose slogan was "Jihad and the rifle alone: no negotiations, no conferences, no dialogues."

*****
Together, bin Laden and Azzam founded the mujahideen base Maktab al-Khidamat, or the Afghan Services Bureau. Afghanistan is also where bin Laden met Ayman al-Zawahiri, who would help him found Maktab's successor group — al-Qaida.

Unintended consequences are a common feature of world history. As Jimmy Carter takes snipes at the current president, Americans should not forget that Carter's insistence that America must be weak led directly to Islamic mass murderers becoming powerful enough to slaughter thousands of innocent Americans — and to their current ambition to incinerate millions of us.
Profiles In Incompetence: (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=264813385781653)How Carter Planted Seeds Of Al-Qaida
Here Now!
He did teach those nasty communists a lesson they'll not soon forget by keeping our Olympic team home.

[W4HAY]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ May 24 2007,12:38)]Here Now!
He did teach those nasty communists a lesson they'll not soon forget by keeping our Olympic team home.
Ay-yup! That's our Jimma! Symbolism over substance!

[k0ews]

Quote[/b] (W4HAY @ May 24 2007,08:04)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ May 24 2007,12:38)]Here Now!
He did teach those nasty communists a lesson they'll not soon forget by keeping our Olympic team home.
Ay-yup! That's our Jimma! Symbolism over substance!
Don't forget about the grain embargo of the Soviets, which lowered the prices of our commodities here, thereby making it impossible for the American farmer to pay his bills, thereby causing the farm crisis in the early/mid 1980s. That really showed them!

[W1GUH]

Bash Jimmy Carter all you want...that doesn't change the fact that his calling w our worst ever President was a truthful statement.

[edit]

Or at least a majority opinion.

[K8EEI]

I think the spring is sinking . Time for a depends change and the home .

[K1VSK]

GUH - I think you misunderstood my last post - I agree with you about Regan - I was only trying to point out that Regan and the work "good" should not be in the same sentence. In fact, keeping Regan in office for a full two terms only confirms my suspicion about the intelligence of the voting public.

I can't help but wonder who some of the other contributors to this thread think was a good President. They clearly have a problem with intelligence, honesty and integrity as being prerequisite traits.

[N5NPO]

Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ May 24 2007,17:35)]Bash Jimmy Carter all you want...that doesn't change the fact that his calling w our worst ever President was a truthful statement.

[edit]

Or at least a majority opinion.
He (President James Earl Carter) meant other than himself....

[W1GUH]

Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ May 23 2007,19:27)]Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ May 24 2007,17:35)]Bash Jimmy Carter all you want...that doesn't change the fact that his calling w our worst ever President was a truthful statement.

[edit]

Or at least a majority opinion.
He (President James Earl Carter) meant other than himself....
No, #Jimmy didn't needlessly kill thousands of Americans.

Or lie.

Or be a complete imbecile.

Or get the presidency bought for him with his daddy's money.

[W1GUH]

With all this Jimmy bashing going on...

Do any of you remember the awful plight of middle managers in the 80's, under ronnie's watch? #There were numerous and frequent news items about whole levels of managers were being eliminated, with very little chance for a job as good as they'd had.

There was also lots of talk about the crumbling infrastructure, and how're we gonna pay for that.

Then, like magic, overnight, all those news items disappeared and it was Happy Days again. #ronnie's years weren't all that good. #Sure, we had a doofus in the White House who could go on TV and make a similar doofus "feel good." #That's what he as good at, being a professional actor. #But did he do good for country? #Heavens to Betsy, NO!!!!!

He trashed the very fabric of our culture, ripping it apart so completely that now we're basically two bickering factions, neither of which thinks the other side has anything worthwhile to say. #

We manufacture very little, our plants were never modernized to compete with overseas good. #Why should we? #It'd only give "the great unwashed" ideas that they count. #Heck...do away with their jobs...keep 'em hungry...and they won't have time to really see what a shaft they've been given. #Make 'em do two jobs, and make sure one of em's in Wal-Mart. #That's what they need.

Meanwhile, the neo-cons are basking in the riches they've made (with ronnie's blessings) by f'ing over the honest, hard-working American worker, the people who built this country and who, before ronnie, were treated with the respect they deserved. #

No, ronnie was a terrible, terrible thing to happen to our country...

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ May 24 2007,18:03)]
Quote[/b] ]No, ronnie was a terrible, terrible thing to happen to our country...

Absolutely. Reagan was the first President to really push the "what's in it for ME" push which Bush 43 also used to success in his re-election.

We got a taste of Reagan's act in California when the jerk was Governor from 1967-1975. His whole "kitchen cabinet" number was a precursor to the unnatural act he was going to perform on the country later. Reagan was a complete piece of (deleted).

We don't have a sense of community anymore and it's directly related to Ronald Reagan. "If I don't use it, I shouldn't pay for it", seems to be the motto of the dimwitted in this country.

Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA

[KE5FRF]

Jimma Jimma Jo Jimma
Banana fanna fo fimma
Me my mo mimma ---Jimmmaaaa!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

BTW. Reagan=Greatest president of 2nd half/20th century.
Many polls have been done. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Some say best of all time, even.

America has spoken. QRZ libs count! Not! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[w8jas]

Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ May 23 2007,21:48)]Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ May 23 2007,19:27)]Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ May 24 2007,17:35)]Bash Jimmy Carter all you want...that doesn't change the fact that his calling w our worst ever President was a truthful statement.

[edit]

Or at least a majority opinion.
He (President James Earl Carter) meant other than himself....
No, #Jimmy didn't needlessly kill thousands of Americans.

Or lie.

Or be a complete imbecile.

Or get the presidency bought for him with his daddy's money.
No, Jimmy didn't needlessly kill thousands of Americans.

Jimmy was too busy destroying the US economy.

Or lie.

GWB should never have listened to Hillary and Ted and others saying that Saddam had to go. The UN was wrong.

Or be a complete imbecile.

He has higher scores than Kerry.

Or get the presidency bought for him with his daddy's money

oh, you mean like JFK?

[W1GUH]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ May 23 2007,20:19)]Jimma Jimma Jo Jimma
Banana fanna fo fimma
Me my mo mimma ---Jimmmaaaa!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

BTW. Reagan=Greatest president of 2nd half/20th century.
Many polls have been done. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif #Some say best of all time, even.

America has spoken. QRZ libs count! Not! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
That's the funniest thing I ever read. #Spoken like a true knee-jerk, programmed automaton.


And, lest it be forgotten....

Before the neo-con conspiracy got started, ronnie was laughed out of many, many presidential bids, starting in '64. #He was the laughing stock of the races.

Why did he get it?

Because a handful of people, who didn't really care about our Great Nation, figured that he was stupid enough to do their bidding. #They were smart...they knew he was too STUPID to realize what they were doing. #They prepped him, gave him the right cue cards to read (he's a professional at reading scripts and sounding genuine), cue cards that tugged at the basest interests of voters...made 'em feel like he was the benovelent grandpa...meanwhile thier agenda was to completely trash the American way of life.

They knew that that's all the electorate needed...that the electorate wanted simple, instant solutions...and they made it sound like ronnie had that.

Meanwhile, they were conning and scamming all American working people. #Why does he get those numbers? #Because they've manipulated them so soundly, so skillfully, that thinking Americans don't have a chance against their tripe. #Tripe, but tripe that has been very carefully crafted to sound like good stuff. #And they know that the American electorate, by and large, will go after the simplistic BS they preach, while they've got their hands in your wallet pocket, stealing everything they can from you.

Again...those of you who spout rabid neo-con stuff. #For your sake, I hope that you come from money. #But if it is the case that you only think that, someday, you'll come from money, my friends, don't believe that. #They're gonna get yours, too.

Meanwhile, son of ronnie, idiot w, is augering this once Great Nation, soundly into the ground. #The whole world is grossed out at what he's done. #Fortunately, they realize it is just ronnie and w, for now. #But if we keep sending cretins to the White House, how long do you think we'll have their respect?

Goodnight.

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ May 24 2007,23:43)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ May 23 2007,20:19)]Jimma Jimma Jo Jimma
Banana fanna fo fimma
Me my mo mimma ---Jimmmaaaa!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

BTW. Reagan=Greatest president of 2nd half/20th century.
Many polls have been done. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif #Some say best of all time, even.

America has spoken. QRZ libs count! Not! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
That's the funniest thing I ever read. #Spoken like a true knee-jerk, programmed automaton.
And your opinion was just flushed down the toilet with the rest of the stuff I wipe my rear-end with. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Lighten up. emkay?

[W1GUH]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ May 23 2007,22:46)]Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ May 24 2007,23:43)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ May 23 2007,20:19)]Jimma Jimma Jo Jimma
Banana fanna fo fimma
Me my mo mimma ---Jimmmaaaa!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

BTW. Reagan=Greatest president of 2nd half/20th century.
Many polls have been done. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif #Some say best of all time, even.

America has spoken. QRZ libs count! Not! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
That's the funniest thing I ever read. #Spoken like a true knee-jerk, programmed automaton.
And your opinion was just flushed down the toilet with the rest of the stuff I wipe my rear-end with. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Lighten up. emkay?
Your rear end has more intelligence that w and ronnie, combined.

[K3XR]

Jimma, boy did you mess things up...

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpa....rl=http (http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/05/jimmy_carter_can_only_blame_hi.html)

[W4HAY]

Quote[/b] ]In the name of human rights, Jimmy Carter gave rise to one of the worst rights violators in history — the Ayatollah Khomeini. And now Khomeini's successor is preparing for nuclear war with Israel and the West.

When President Carter took office in 1977, the Iran of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was a staunch American ally, a bulwark in our standoff with the Soviet Union, thwarting the dream held since the time of the czars of pushing south toward the warm waters of the appropriately named Persian Gulf.

Being an ally of the U.S. in the Cold War, Iran was a target for Soviet subversion and espionage. Like the U.S. in today's war on terror, Iran arrested and incarcerated many who threatened its sovereignty and existence, mainly Soviet agents and their collaborators.

This did not sit well with the former peanut farmer, who, on taking office, declared that advancing "human rights" was among his highest priorities. The shah was one of his first targets. As he's done with our terror-war detainees in Guantanamo, Carter accused the Shah of torturing some 3,000 "political" prisoners. He chastised the shah for his human rights record and engineered the withdrawal of American support.

The irony here is that when Khomeini, a former Muslim exile in Paris, overthrew the shah in February 1979, many of the 3,000 were executed by the ayatollah's firing squads along with 20,000 pro-Western Iranians.

According to "The Real Jimmy Carter," a book by Steven Hayward of the American Enterprise Institute: "Kho-meini's regime executed more people in its first year in power than the Shah's Savak had allegedly killed in the previous 25 years."

*****
The shah was forced into exile and on the run from Morocco to Egypt, the Bahamas, Mexico and finally Panama. In July 1979, Vice President Walter Mondale and National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told Carter they had changed their minds about offering the shah permanent asylum. Carter's response was: "F*** the shah. I'm not going to welcome him here when he has other places to go where he'll be safe."

*****
Writer Christopher Hitchens recalls a discussion he had with Eugene McCarthy. A Democrat and former candidate for that party's presidential nomination, McCarthy voted for Ronald Reagan instead of Carter in 1980.

The reason? Carter had "quite simply abdicated the whole responsibility of the presidency while in office. He left the nation at the mercy of its enemies at home and abroad. He was quite simply the worst president we ever had."

Quite simply, we concur.
Iran: Carter's Habitat For Inhumanity (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=264899644231746)

[K3XR]

Crank up your favorite rap music, and enjoy....bro.

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpa....rl=http (http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/05/gloria_in_excelsis_jimmy_a_poe.html)

[W1GUH]

Hey, guys, let's not forget that it was the Ayatollah that elected ronnie! Yup, he (the Ayatollah)told American voters that he'd realease the hostages soon's Jimmy Carter wasn't president, and that's how idiot ronnie got the votes he needed to be our pres.

Ah, yes...the way we elect incompetents to the White House.

[n4sva]

Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ May 25 2007,23:56)]Hey, guys, let's not forget that it was the Ayatollah that elected ronnie! Yup, he (the Ayatollah)told American voters that he'd realease the hostages soon's Jimmy Carter wasn't president, and that's how idiot ronnie got the votes he needed to be our pres.

Ah, yes...the way we elect incompetents to the White House.
BS, it was Carter's ineptness and his faux pas when he referenced his daughter Amy in one of the debates that pushed him over the edge.

[W4HAY]

Quote[/b] ]On President Jimmy Carter's watch, more territory was lost to tyranny than at any other time since Yalta. And he'd have us return to those thrilling days of yesteryear.

Old communists must still be reminiscing about the good old days of the Carter administration. Thirty years ago next month, our worst president proudly proclaimed: "We are now free of that inordinate fear of communism which once led us to embrace any dictator who joined us in that fear."

And as Carter rang the dinner bell, the evil empire was listening.

Not that Carter was above embracing dictators. In June 1979, at the signing of the Salt II accords in Vienna, he kissed Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev on each cheek. Surprisingly, they did not break into a waltz.

A few short months after that, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. Carter expressed shock, saying "I can't believe he lied to me."

*****
More recently, Carter also kissed Fidel Castro when he trekked to give aid and comfort to that communist thug. No doubt they reminisced about the days when Carter initiated diplomatic relations with Castro's Cuba, looking the other way as thousands of Cuban troops tried to impose Marxist rule in Africa.

*****
Invoking the same "human rights" doctrine he used to topple the Shah of Iran and usher in the dawn of the Islamofascists, Carter withdrew support from the Somoza government in Nicaragua and facilitated the coming to power of the Marxist Sandinistas in 1979.

Almost immediately, the Ortega brothers allied themselves with their Cuban communist brethren to help launch and support Cuban-inspired insurgencies in El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala and Costa Rica.

*****
Shortly before he was removed from office in massive voter expression of no confidence, even the Washington Post was editorializing about Carter's "willingness to engage with any dictator, no matter how odious."

Not just any dictator, just the Marxist kind. Lowell Ponte of Frontpagemagazine.com has suggested that if the Shah of Iran had been a Marxist friend of the Soviet Union and had renamed his country the People's Socialist Republic of Iran, Carter would have forgotten about charges of the Shah torturing political prisoners and the Ayatollah Khomeini would have died of old age in France.

*****
Had Reagan not beaten Carter in 1980, there's no telling how far the unraveling of freedom would have gone.

Instead of Reagan going to Berlin to tell Gorbachev to tear down that wall, Carter in his second term might have had to go to Moscow to negotiate our capitulation in the Cold War.
Carter's Red Carpet (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=264986767205147)

[ad4mg]

ibdeditorials.com ... a quoted source. Only for ultra right-wing neoconservative dittoheads.

For every one else ... an editorial. An editorial written by the very crooks worshipped by cons everywhere.

How's that con amnesty bill coming Comrade? Gotta get more cheap labor for big business, eh?

Yeah, the Bible toting, war mongering cons are terrific ... best thing that ever happened to this country.

Also known as the 28% losers club.

Quote[/b] ]IBDeditorials.com features the commentary and cartoons from the editorial pages of Investor's Business Daily.

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft. Hogwash, Comrade.

[K6UEY]

What is Going on ??
Is it not bad enough that our young impressionable people are being brain washed into Socialism in our so called institutions of higher learning, but now QRZ is becomming the editorial page for the defunk "Daily Worker".

The Daily Worker was before being replaced by the Internet, the Official newspaper for the Socialist Party of America. Now however many more lives can be fed the Socialist tripe on the Internet in a single hour than the newspaper could reach in a day.

"Half of the little education people have is usually wrong." #E. W. Howe

Read for your self the no longer unbiased left leaning posting that is being offered on QRZ.

Some wise man once offered "Be careful what you sew in the Spring, because that is what you will Harvest in the Fall !" #

Is that what we are seeing the Harvest of many years of planting the ideas of Socialism in the schools has now become the norm for the Harvest of the fall ??

Young people spout Socialism as though they were shouting the Gospel. I guess in a way it is the Gospel if you go back to the volumes of Karl Marx and others who professed the wonders of Socialism.

Food for thought, it is obvious that QRZ has been infected but has the plague spread beyond that, has it taken a National foot hold ?? Is this the mere beginning of the take over of our system of governing? Remember Kerry did not lose by that much. The Socialist Party may have lost the control of the Whitehouse in the last two Presidential elections but they will not give up and will be back to try again.
Do we as a National Republic, want to give up ALL Republican Values and settle for the young Socialist dominated regime??
Apparently that is the choice here on QRZ,could this be the first step in a long journey to a United Socialist States of America??
If you take a quick Tally of the Leftist posts -VS- the posts from the right,the Left quickly dominates, #is QRZ merely the microcasm of what has become the National Belief ??

Never before have I seen so much private money spent to demean a President before the world,sure there has always been campaign money but this goes above and beyond the bashing by the losers,this is a campaign to demean the United States by making it's leaders ineffective.
You dismantle a tower by starting at the top and work your way down to dismantle it's base!! #
THINK ABOUT THAT !!

[K6BBC]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ May 26 2007,15:31)]Never before have I seen so much private money spent to demean a President before the world...
Guess you were asleep during the Clinton years. Or perhaps you were just enjoying it too much. I know, it's tough when one of yours is a idiot.

bbc

[K6UEY]

K6BBC,
Are you speaking from your personal beliefs or are you parroting the word of the Hollywood cell of the local chapter ??

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ May 26 2007,18:44)]K6BBC,
Are you speaking from your personal beliefs or are you parroting the word of the Hollywood cell of the local chapter ??
No Orv, it's the voice of 72% of all Americans.

You're stuck in the 28% losers club.

Reality is like that sometimes.

[K6BBC]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ May 26 2007,15:44)]K6BBC,
Are you speaking from your personal beliefs or are you parroting the word of the Hollywood cell of the local chapter ??
I know I would be asking too much for people to see beyond their dogma and see the world as realistic as possible. You always seem to view every issue as either black or white. There are no shades of gray anywhere. Most thinking people live in a world of many colors – able to communicate, argue, and even have their minds changed. But you seem to live in such a narrow scope of view. I know you are a highly intelligent man. When did you lose your critical thinking abilities? Bush is getting a free ride compared to Clinton – isn’t that quite obvious? Bush went to war because of WMD’s – but they were not there. Then it was because of 9/11 – but Iraq was not involved in 9/11. Then it was for freedom for Iraqis – but that started a civil war and replaced a sectarian government with an Islamic one loyal to Iran. Now we are fighting Al-qaeda there. But they were not there before we started this mess. It’s amazing Bush has not been impeached. Bush, in my mind is a war criminal responsible for the deaths of THOUSANDS. Worse, he has fermented hate towards America that will last for decades. And this is the person you go whining about because people are mean to him? Give me a frigging break.

bbc

[K6UEY]

K6BBC,
Actually I was quite awake during the Clinton years,although I admit I lost a big bet concerning his second term, you see I bet the American people were too sophisticated to believe any thing he said, after witnessing him in his first term, and there was no way in Hell they would reelect him- I LOST!!

But I enjoyed the many incidents in his administration,like the way he cooked the books and borrowed money from Social Security to balance the budget and get votes.

Then there was the chopping of the Military,he made a trip to Kalifornia, here in Scaramento to tell the four large Gov. installations ,they had nothing to worry about,he collected his campaign funds and returned to DC.But as he proceeded to close 3 of the four the biggest an Air craft Depot base got worried. So he returned and gave them a big "Slick Willy "Grin and assured them they were safe,he collected his campaign funds and returned to DC once again. And once again he proceeded to close the biggest fourth facility putting many out of work. There was never a word in the press about the funds gathered under FALSE pretense being returned. Yes I was awake enjoying the humor of it all .
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[K6UEY]

K6BBC,
Tony before you worry about getting a "Friggin break" you should get updated valid information to base your decisions on,then worry about getting a break,after all with the Democrats in Power #Welfare has returned as a worthwhile thing to be !!
Just keep your knife sharp and every time Congress passes a bill just reach up and slice your self off a big chunk of PORK !! There is so much they won't even miss it. After all that is the byword of the party, to redistribute what others have worked for !!

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ May 26 2007,19:24)]K6BBC,
Tony before you worry about getting a "Friggin break" you should get updated valid information to base your decisions on,then worry about getting a break,after all with the Democrats in Power Welfare has returned as a worthwhile thing to be !!
Just keep your knife sharp and every time Congress passes a bill just reach up and slice your self off a big chunk of PORK !! There is so much they won't even miss it. After all that is the byword of the party, to redistribute what others have worked for !!
Do you think they will be as good at it as the Republican Congress of the previous 6 years has? It will take an extraordinary effort to do so!

28% Orv. Does that mean that you fancy yourself wiser than 72% of all Americans?

[N5NPO]

Question....
What percentage of colonists supported the Declaration of Independence and the war against the English Crown?
I bet it was less than half, way less.
Mob rule is not always in the best interest of a nation. In fact it is often wrong.

[n4sva]

Actually it's 33% for the President, 29% for Congress...but who's counting?

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ May 26 2007,19:34)]Question....
What percentage of colonists supported the Declaration of Independence and the war against the English Crown?
I bet it was less than half, way less.
Mob rule is not always in the best interest of a nation. In fact it is often wrong.
This isn't mob rule my ultra right-wing Comrade. This is how the majority of Americans feel. In case you neocons don't remember, it is the American people who this government answers to, not the other way around.

In the meantime, why don't you research your "bet" concerning the Declaration of Independence and get back to us on that.

Most of us here are a little more concerned with the politics of the day, not an ancient history lessons totally non-relevant to the discussion.

Anyone want to discuss the pork barrel spending of the Republican controlled Congress?

$29 BILLION for 2006 (a new record)
$27.3 BILLION for 2005
$22.9 BILLION for 2004

All by the fiscally irresponsible, Republican controlled Congress. There is more, but honestly, it's sickening.

[K6UEY]

N5NPO,
You have to remember most of those who were educated in the last 20 or so years have been taught that mob rule is the way to get what you want. Many have graduated our Universities have majored in Protest sign painting and the design and building of public demostrations,and how to offend others for fun and profit.

We have as a Nation let this all take place under our noses because we were busy trying to take from others what they had worked to acquire. The 50 years of Democratic rule in this country did us far more harm than is obvious on the surface.Look at how the courts are backlogged from frivilous law suits.How many times have you spilled coffee or tea with out running down and getting a lawyer,well too many can say, never !!
look at the continous hiking of the minimum wage .We now pay people for not having a skill and being able to be self sufficient.There was a time that was looked down on as being weak, what has happened to our VALUES ??

[ad4mg]

I'm sorry Orv, I thought you mentioned an offer to Tony about slicing off a little piece of pork. The Republicans look like a better source of pork from which to slice, so I started a list of pork spending for the supposedly fiscally responsible Republicans in hopes that you would find it informative.

I must have missed your comment on this.

[N5NPO]

I would be glad to discuss the pork barrel spending of the Republicrats. Apalling. All unconstitutional pork should go immediatly.
I belive history is relevant. We have to learn from the mistakes of the past. If history is irrelevant, then why do we (as a society) keep records? My point there was that just because a majority "feels" a certain way, doesn't make it right. At one time a majority "felt" that slaughtering "injuns", buffalo and other undesirables was ok. At one time a majority "felt" that women should not be allowed to vote.
I hope that future politicians will learn from the mistakes of both parties. I would rather my represenative represent me than represent my party.
I fear things will only get worse.

[nx6d]

What's YOUR slice of pork, UEY?

If you had any principles at all, you'd refuse that "liberal/socialist" Social Security check you get every month. And you do get one every month...

You are a grade A hands down hypocrite. It's good enough for you, but no one else...

It's people like you that are the problem with this country. You want all the benefits, but you don't want to pay 10 cents for someone else, even though the benefit you're getting far exceeds what you put in.

Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA

[K6UEY]

AD4MG,
No I readily admit instead of upholding the Republican Values the Congress instead followed the example set by the previous Democrats. That is part of the under the surface damage I spoke of, in letting the Democrats rule for so long.It will take decades of Republican Rule to begin putting Humpty Dumpty back together again.

Now of course we have the influx of the Socialist's taking over the Democratic party and they know no limits ,they have worked long and hard behind the scenes to infiltrate our system and they may feel with the belittleing of it's leaders it is time to strike.The people rejected Kerry but not by a large margin, but they voiced their opinion twice as a conviction they know which Party can bring the country back from it's knees.

In all fairness it is to the best Interest of all Americans for both parties to work together,but until the true Democrats pull their heads out of their derriere and cleanse the party of the far left that will never be possible!!

George Soros has spent billions trying to convince people that the leaders of this country are wrong. It was Marx or possibly Stalin who said if you repeat a false statement enough times it will take on a life of it's own and become fact,that is what is going on in the news from Iraq. Anything that tears another hole in the fabric of our leadership is given top billing and milked to beyond it's limits.

Look at Cindy Sheehan,she was willing to sell out her only sons HONOR for some of the pie,and she is not the only one doing it.

You listed several items that have since been disproved but no need to continue to milk them ,your facts are no longer true and let it stay at that.

[K6BBC]

Wow – look at all that has happened while I comfortably took a lovely Saturday afternoon nap.

Orv, thank you for going ballistic and making my point. Clinton=bad. Bush=good. Why is it you right wing folks keep picking the bones of the Clinton administration? Why did he get so far under your skin? My point was Clinton was savaged. He got no pass. But you big school yard bullies whimper like a pack of sissies when Bush’s failures are thrown in your face.

But I’ll give you a chance before your words completely destroy your credibility. Would you mind explaining to me what you see about the Bush administration that is successful?

Thank you.

K6bbc

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (n4sva @ May 22 2007,00:43)]Carter's legacy:
...and most of all, his brother Billy.
Remember Billy Beer?

I wish I had bought up every six pack I could find. I heard that now, an unopened six pack is worth $hundreds as a collectors item.

[K6UEY]

NX6D,
Yes station, I do collect Social Security,and every month like clock work. Unlike you I have paid into the fund for almost 60 years,so the amount I collect will no where come close to what I paid in. If you have questions about the fund take it up with your leftist associates.After all it was FDR the Socialist who started the plan, if the plan does not provide all to every one it claims to provide then take it up with them.Maybe it has to do with the meddling of the Democratic Congress trying cover and to get the vote of every Tom, Dick and Jesus who sneaks into the country.

I am not surprised it is faulty,the total Socialist movement is Faulty!!

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ May 26 2007,22:31)]The Daily Worker was before being replaced by the Internet, the Official newspaper for the Socialist Party of America.
Go back and review your history. I recall when the Daily Worker was being published. It was the official newspaper of the Communist Party, USA, headed by Gus Hall (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/nov2000/hall-n06.shtml). There was no "official newspaper of the Socialist Party of America". The American Communist Party was a Stalinist organisation that supported every move by the USSR, just as to-day's Busheviks applaud every action taken by the Chimp, regardless of how stupid they are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Worker

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ May 26 2007,20:43)]AD4MG,
No I readily admit instead of upholding the Republican Values the Congress instead followed the example set by the previous Democrats. That is part of the under the surface damage I spoke of, in letting the Democrats rule for so long.It will take decades of Republican Rule to begin putting Humpty Dumpty back together again.

Now of course we have the influx of the Socialist's taking over the Democratic party and they know no limits ,they have worked long and hard behind the scenes to infiltrate our system and they may feel with the belittleing of it's leaders it is time to strike.The people rejected Kerry but not by a large margin, but they voiced their opinion twice as a conviction they know which Party can bring the country back from it's knees.

In all fairness it is to the best Interest of all Americans for both parties to work together,but until the true Democrats pull their heads out of their derriere and cleanse the party of the far left that will never be possible!!

George Soros has spent billions trying to convince people that the leaders of this country are wrong. It was Marx or possibly Stalin who said if you repeat a false statement enough times it will take on a life of it's own and become fact,that is what is going on in the news from Iraq. Anything that tears another hole in the fabric of our leadership is given top billing and milked to beyond it's limits.

Look at Cindy Sheehan,she was willing to sell out her only sons HONOR for some of the pie,and she is not the only one doing it.

You listed several items that have since been disproved but no need to continue to milk them ,your facts are no longer true and let it stay at that.
Orv,

So your answer to Republican pork barrel spending is that it's the fault of the Democrats.

And I've listed several items that have been disproved. By whom, Orv? Which items? The item concerning the failure of this administration to bring to justice Osama bin Laden? Last time I checked Orv, he was still a free man. I'm starting to think he's GWB's personal "boogie man", Orv. If captured, Dubya can't use him to frighten the kool aid gang.

Why bring up Soros and Sheehan when discussing something with me? I just want answers, Orv. I'm not towing either party line, as I feel both sides are scum sucking leeches. It's just the neo-conservatives with their aspirations of nation building and incredible, extreme arrogance insofar as they think they are always right. Much like yourself, Orv. You're in some fantasy world where you fail to recognize grave erors committed by this administration, some which border on being criminal in nature.

I can't debate you any longer, Orv. You ceased to even be coherent on the issues, having been blinded by your obsession with this administration and its follies. Multi-Billion dollar follies that have resulted in a significant loss of life.

73,
Luke

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ May 26 2007,17:04)]NX6D,
Yes station, I do collect Social Security,and every month like clock work. Unlike you I have paid into the fund for almost 60 years,so the amount I collect will no where come close to what I paid in. If you have questions about the fund take it up with your leftist associates.After all it was FDR the Socialist who started the plan, if the plan does not provide all to every one it claims to provide then take it up with them.Maybe it has to do with the meddling of the Democratic Congress trying cover and to get the vote of every Tom, Dick and Jesus who sneaks into the country.

I am not surprised it is faulty,the total Socialist movement #is Faulty!!
WRONG.

You're collecting WAY more than you paid in, your misrepresentation notwithstanding.

I never take you seriously because you prevaricate on every issue.

Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA

[K6BBC]

I have asked Orv, and others, to explain their continued support for Bush. Like always, I continue to get nothing but crickets in reply.

bbc

[W4HAY]

Quote[/b] ]Leadership: When men of strength are presented with difficult problems, their responses are firm and decisive. Jimmy Carter spent four years as president of the United States responding with weakness.
Carter's legacy is marked by a series of lame responses to historic challenges. His reputation as a failed president is well-deserved. From January 1977 to January 1981, Carter routinely let America down.

Economic malaise. The 1970s will not be remembered as America's greatest decade. Morale was low, inflation and unemployment were high, and the economy was ugly. When Carter took office, he had a chance to end the skid. He made it worse.

The 39th president's response to our "crisis of confidence" was not a bold move forward. It did nothing to inspire the country. It was a surrender. He had no tax-cut plan but he did increase government spending, his leftist notions only making conditions worse.

*****
Iranian Hostage Crisis. Perhaps the darkest stain on a presidency that had an extraordinarily large load of dirty laundry was the Iranian hostage crisis. Carter's watery reply was to sit for more than five months before launching a rescue mission that was symbolic of his presidency: It crashed and burned.

*****
Energy. As he did with the economy, Carter inherited a bad situation and made it much worse.
Under the Georgia peanut farmer, the country experienced a second oil shock. His solutions included the usual tongue-wagging at Americans who were burning too much oil, creation of the Energy Department, the Synthetic Fuels Corp. and other similar silliness, and a tax hike on oil companies.

As poor as all those ideas were, the latter did the most damage. The Crude Oil Windfall Profits Tax Act, which raised far less in revenue (a mere $80 billion rather than the estimated $320 billion) than hoped, had a devastating effect on oil supply and did nothing to diminish OPEC's stranglehold on the U.S.

*****
1980 Olympics. When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979, Carter's response was not a show of strength or a sharp rebuke, but a childish and self-serving decision that cemented the impression across the world that America had gone soft. Carter decided he would show the Soviet Union by keeping American athletes home from the 1980 Summer Olympics held in Moscow.

*****
Four years, four weak responses to major events. This is the legacy of the failed presidency of Jimmy Carter.
A Feeble President (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=265330881971321)

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ May 26 2007,14:32)]I have asked Orv, and others, to explain their continued support for Bush. Like always, I continue to get nothing but crickets in reply.

bbc
Why should they have to explain when they can just remain silent, not revealing the fact that the Chimp in Charge is so much worse than anything we have ever had.

So the non-response is the Repubican response.

[K6UEY]

N9XR,
Jerry, your avatar say's it all,it is just as shaky as the Democratic Party Platform !! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

The Famous Will Rogers was once asked by a news man what Organized Political Party he belonged to !
Will replied,he does not belong to an Organized Political Party, He is a Democrat !!

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ May 30 2007,06:07)]N9XR,
Jerry, your avatar say's it all,it is just as shaky as the Democratic Party Platform !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

The Famous Will Rogers was once asked by a news man what Organized Political Party he belonged to !
Will replied,he does not belong to an Organized Political Party, He is a Democrat !!
Maybe Dumbya is as shaky as the Democratic Party platform.

You voted for the Shaky dood.

[K6UEY]

N9XR,
Well Jerry, I had a choice of 2 candidates,one had lower grades in school,and he was voted the Senator who had voted for the most bills to support the Socialist Party and the other choice had a higher grade average, he was a graduate who went on to post-grad and got a Masters degree. He was a man who you can count on,if he says he will do some thing it does get done. I was lucky enough to belong to the same platform beliefs as he did so my vote was a no brainer,only one logical choice !!

[K3XR]

Jimma, Hugo called, your room is ready in the nursing home.
http://www.americanthinker.com/printpa....rl=http (http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/06/how_jimmy_carter_helped_trash.html)

[kc0ukk]

Quote[/b] (nx6d @ May 26 2007,20:19)]Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ May 26 2007,17:04)]NX6D,
Yes station, I do collect Social Security,and every month like clock work. Unlike you I have paid into the fund for almost 60 years,so the amount I collect will no where come close to what I paid in. If you have questions about the fund take it up with your leftist associates.After all it was FDR the Socialist who started the plan, if the plan does not provide all to every one it claims to provide then take it up with them.Maybe it has to do with the meddling of the Democratic Congress trying cover and to get the vote of every Tom, Dick and Jesus who sneaks into the country.

I am not surprised it is faulty,the total Socialist movement #is Faulty!!
WRONG.

You're collecting WAY more than you paid in, your misrepresentation notwithstanding.

I never take you seriously because you prevaricate on every issue.

Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
No, he isn't wrong, it's you who have fallen for the charade offered up by those who wish to "help" people.

When they say SS recipients get back more than they paid in, they're relying upon those early payers that contributed $0.12 per week for 5 years for a total contribution of $31.12 before collecting $100.00 per month for twenty years.

Us 'baby boomers', on the other hand, have been paying through the nose for 40 years, averaging total contributions of $200,000 or more over our life times.

When we retire at 66, with a life expectancy of 11 more years, we will receive $237,000. Sounds like more than we paid in doesn't it? It's not though, when you consider the interest we could have earned on those contributions over those 40 years.

That contribution would have doubled four times in 40 years at an interest rate of 7%. We're getting screwed, our children are getting screwed and everybody who promotes SS knows it.

[W1GUH]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ May 29 2007,13:21)]N9XR,
Well Jerry, I had a choice of 2 candidates,one had lower grades in school,and he was voted the Senator who had voted for the most bills to support the Socialist Party and the other choice had a higher grade average, he was a graduate who went on to post-grad and got a Masters degree. He was a man who you can count on,if he says he will do some thing it does get done. I was lucky enough to belong to the same platform beliefs as he did so my vote was a no brainer,only one logical choice !!
The man you voted for partied his way through college and high school, and only graduated because of his daddy's money. Then, he ran some businesses into the ground and, oh, by the way, didn't take his military service seriously to even show up much of the time. Then daddy bought him the governor's office in Texas where he screwed everything up, then daddy's money bought him some mighty powerful guns (e.g. the American Military forces) which he's getting lots of Americans killed with by playing with those guns.

[KW4MW]

Quote[/b] ]No, he isn't wrong, it's you who have fallen for the charade offered up by those who wish to "help" people.

When they say SS recipients get back more than they paid in, they're relying upon those early payers that contributed $0.12 per week for 5 years for a total contribution of $31.12 before collecting $100.00 per month for twenty years.

Us 'baby boomers', on the other hand, have been paying through the nose for 40 years, averaging total contributions of $200,000 or more over our life times.

When we retire at 66, with a life expectancy of 11 more years, we will receive $237,000. #Sounds like more than we paid in doesn't it? #It's not though, when you consider the interest we could have earned on those contributions over those 40 years.

That contribution would have doubled four times in 40 years at an interest rate of 7%. #We're getting screwed, our children are getting screwed and everybody who promotes SS knows it.

kc0ukk #- don't forget the employers match funds, your lifetime $200K contribution means $400K into the kitty. #

Also do you remember when it was proposed that employees be given an option to invest 1% or 2% of their contribution into the private sector instead of normally just handing it #over to Feds. #

The Leftist/Socialistic/Democrat party said that the American public wasn't sophisticated enough to be trusted to invest their own money. # #

As far as Whine Country Dave is concerned - I would have much rather have had the opportunity to invest my own money instead of turning it over to the Feds for them to use to buy votes. # Unfortunately, under the FDR mandated plan I had no choice so yes, I'll collect my check every month although I doubt if I'll ever break even.

Wait for it #- Wait for it - here comes the military retirment slur from at least one of the X-clones!

[W4HAY]

Remember also that after you retire, depending on your income (and this is NOT wage income), a significant portion of those SS checks are taxed back away from you!

Screwed again!

Quote[/b] ]Leadership: Of all the errors Jimmy Carter committed, none has earned him more well-justified scorn than his handling of the 1970s energy crisis. True enough, he didn't cause it. But he did make it much,
much worse.

*****
But let's be clear: OPEC ended its embargo in 1974. Despite that, government-imposed price controls on output and prices remained in place. They weren't fully removed until 1981. And that is Carter's fault.

When Carter came into office in January 1977, the price of a barrel of oil was about $14. When he left a mere four years later, oil — the lifeblood of the U.S. and world economy — stood at more than $35 a barrel, a 154% rise.

*****
Pressure on oil prices built early in Carter's term in office as OPEC jacked up prices. But oil really took off in 1979, after the Shah of Iran was toppled by fundamentalist Islamic revolutionaries led by Ayatollah Khomeini. President Carter's weak and vacillating support for the Shah of Iran encouraged the rebellion.

...Later in 1979, Carter's weak response to Iran's radical regime taking 52 Americans hostage sent oil prices soaring again. Carter cut off oil imports from Iran and the mullahs imposed an oil embargo, leading to a global market panic and a surge in prices — the second oil shock of the decade.

*****
And what was Carter's response? Mostly symbolic stuff. He had a number of chances to correct the situation. He didn't.

*****
Unfortunately, he waited far too long to do what he really needed to do: Namely, completely end price controls on domestic oil, kill off oil import quotas, and veto the Windfall Profits Tax Act.

*****
...Carter erred in thinking the government — and not a healthy, functioning market with realistic price signals — could end the oil crisis. It couldn't in the 1970s, and it can't today.

It's disheartening on some levels to hear many of the same proposals for our energy ills emerging from the Democrats in Congress. Have they learned nothing? Or are they just counting on average people having forgotten the misery of the Carter years?

Regardless, we know there's a way out. President Reagan, in a few bold moves within weeks of entering office, totally decontrolled oil prices. Prices peaked, the amount of oil on the market surged, and inflation's back was broken.
Profile In Incompetence:
Carter's Oil Crisis (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=265590277656184)

[kc0ukk]

Quote[/b] (K1VSK @ May 24 2007,18:07)]GUH - I think you misunderstood my last post - I agree with you about Regan - I was only trying to point out that Regan and the work "good" should not be in the same sentence. In fact, keeping Regan in office for a full two terms only confirms my suspicion about the intelligence of the voting public.

I can't help but wonder who some of the other contributors to this thread think was a good President. They clearly have a problem with intelligence, honesty and integrity as being prerequisite traits.
I haven't a clue of that of which you speak.

Reagan continued the Carter administration's belated attempt to lower inflation and saw it through to its successful completion. That in itself was more than most presidents ever do.

Reagan also restored the American's faith in the American way of life.

Reagan then went on to bring the USSR to its too long delayed finish, ushering in a reign of prosperity throughout the world.

Oh, BTW, Reagan ended those misbegotten wage and price controls, deregulated airlines and other industries, reducing prices and introducing competition.

He also fired the participants in the illegal Air Traffic Controllers. That really took the wind out of those blowhard sails.

Now, what is it you didn't like about Reagan? Was it the way Nancy did her hair?

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (kc0ukk @ June 01 2007,19:21)]Quote[/b] (nx6d @ May 26 2007,20:19)]Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ May 26 2007,17:04)]NX6D,
Yes station, I do collect Social Security,and every month like clock work. Unlike you I have paid into the fund for almost 60 years,so the amount I collect will no where come close to what I paid in. If you have questions about the fund take it up with your leftist associates.After all it was FDR the Socialist who started the plan, if the plan does not provide all to every one it claims to provide then take it up with them.Maybe it has to do with the meddling of the Democratic Congress trying cover and to get the vote of every Tom, Dick and Jesus who sneaks into the country.

I am not surprised it is faulty,the total Socialist movement #is Faulty!!
WRONG.

You're collecting WAY more than you paid in, your misrepresentation notwithstanding.

I never take you seriously because you prevaricate on every issue.

Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
No, he isn't wrong, it's you who have fallen for the charade offered up by those who wish to "help" people.

When they say SS recipients get back more than they paid in, they're relying upon those early payers that contributed $0.12 per week for 5 years for a total contribution of $31.12 before collecting $100.00 per month for twenty years.

Us 'baby boomers', on the other hand, have been paying through the nose for 40 years, averaging total contributions of $200,000 or more over our life times.

When we retire at 66, with a life expectancy of 11 more years, we will receive $237,000. #Sounds like more than we paid in doesn't it? #It's not though, when you consider the interest we could have earned on those contributions over those 40 years.

That contribution would have doubled four times in 40 years at an interest rate of 7%. #We're getting screwed, our children are getting screwed and everybody who promotes SS knows it.
Uh, hello.

Mr. Dalton is in his 70's, so your little analogy doesn't work. Do your homework before you start popping off.

I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of baby (h)UEY whining about about "liberal/socialists", yet he doesn't have any problem bellying up to the trough if benefits HIM.

Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA

[W4HAY]

Quote[/b] ]Leadership: In 1976, Americans thought they were sending an outsider to the White House.

Today, the same policies so thoroughly discredited by Jimmy Carter's disastrous presidency define the Democratic Party.

It's tempting to think of the Carter Administration's seemingly endless series of catastrophes as an aberration brought on by a yokel peanut farmer. In fact, the former Georgia governor's thinking as president strongly resembles that of Democrats today:

• Just as Carter lamented America's "inordinate fear of communism," Democrats today accuse the president of imagining Islamic terrorists are under the bed. (By the way, some of those "imaginary" terrorists were just caught plotting to kill thousands by blowing up New York's JFK Airport.)

*****
• If a future Democratic president were to apply Carteresque diplomacy to the Middle East, trying to "talk" Iran out of building nukes before they could use such weapons or give them to fellow Islamofascists in al-Qaida or other terrorist groups, the U.S., Israel or some other country might pay for it by being attacked with a nuke.

• With a huge hike in payroll taxes, Carter claimed to "fix" Social Security and keep the system solvent until 2030; it, of course, didn't work. The system goes into the red about a decade from now. Similarly, Hillary, Edwards and Obama all plan to "fix" health care, while mostly keeping mum about new taxes. Hillary even promises "$120 billion in savings" with her latest version of socialized medicine. Don't believe it: In 1970, Medicare cost less than $8 billion; now it exceeds $250 billion per year — a cost explosion none of the politicians or "experts" who fathered the program believed possible.

*****
We got away with presidential ineptitude in the 1970s. In an age of terror, we may not be so lucky.
Carrying Over Carter's Ineptitude (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=265849780293891)

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[K1VSK]

Quote[/b] (kc0ukk @ June 02 2007,12:38)]Quote[/b] (K1VSK @ May 24 2007,18:07)]GUH - I think you misunderstood my last post - I agree with you about Regan - I was only trying to point out that Regan and the work &quot;good&quot; should not be in the same sentence. In fact, keeping Regan in office for a full two terms only confirms my suspicion about the intelligence of the voting public.

I can't help but wonder who some of the other contributors to this thread think was a good President. They clearly have a problem with intelligence, honesty and integrity as being prerequisite traits.
I haven't a clue of that of which you speak.

Reagan continued the Carter administration's belated attempt to lower inflation and saw it through to its successful completion. #That in itself was more than most presidents ever do.

Reagan also restored the American's faith in the American way of life.

Reagan then went on to bring the USSR to its too long delayed finish, ushering in a reign of prosperity throughout the world.

Oh, BTW, Reagan ended those misbegotten wage and price controls, deregulated airlines and other industries, reducing prices and introducing competition.

He also fired the participants in the illegal Air Traffic Controllers. #That really took the wind out of those blowhard sails.

Now, what is it you didn't like about Reagan? #Was it the way Nancy did her hair?
First, it was not you to whom I was addressing my post. Regardless, I think you might find actual history more enlightening than that which you imagine:
1. Remember the arms for hostage issue which Regan finally admitted to?
2. Remember Black Monday in 1987 (so much for Reganomics;
3. Tax revenue doubled during his administration only to see spending triple,
4. National debt tripled!!
5.Gap between rich and poor became a chasm,
6. Homeless polulation grew to that of Atlanta
7. He ignored AIDs and we're paying that price now too,
8. As Ed Morris, the official white House biographer said it best - &quot;The President is divorced from reality&quot;.
Lest we forget, the Soviet Union and communism were economically unsupportable in the 1980s - is this something which Regan caused or simly another thing for which he claimed credit?
Finally, is #8 above something which you admire and consequently tend to mimic?

[W4HAY]

Click here: (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/strips/mallard/2000/MFT20070611.jpg)

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (kc0ukk @ June 02 2007,12:38)]Quote[/b] (K1VSK @ May 24 2007,18:07)]GUH - I think you misunderstood my last post - I agree with you about Regan - I was only trying to point out that Regan and the work &quot;good&quot; should not be in the same sentence. In fact, keeping Regan in office for a full two terms only confirms my suspicion about the intelligence of the voting public.

I can't help but wonder who some of the other contributors to this thread think was a good President. They clearly have a problem with intelligence, honesty and integrity as being prerequisite traits.
I haven't a clue of that of which you speak.

Reagan continued the Carter administration's belated attempt to lower inflation and saw it through to its successful completion. #That in itself was more than most presidents ever do.

Reagan also restored the American's faith in the American way of life.

Reagan then went on to bring the USSR to its too long delayed finish, ushering in a reign of prosperity throughout the world.

Oh, BTW, Reagan ended those misbegotten wage and price controls, deregulated airlines and other industries, reducing prices and introducing competition.

He also fired the participants in the illegal Air Traffic Controllers. #That really took the wind out of those blowhard sails.

Now, what is it you didn't like about Reagan? #Was it the way Nancy did her hair?
It's sad to see an other wise smart person so fooled by the ronnie legacy. ronnie was all an act. Ronnie didn't solve the air controllers fiasco he busted their union and made a mockery of workers rights and labor in America. Of course the neocon line of reasoning is that labor and labor rights are some odd form of communism. I find it in total defiance of any logic imaginable how labor and the struggle of law abiding Americans for decent pay and decent working conditions can be viewed as some sort of anti-American communist plot. #A few years later ronnies newly hired air traffic controllers were complaining about the same lousy working conditions as the old controllers. But at that point they had no union so they were screwed.

Ronnie also ignored the growing AIDS crisis and adopted the most idiotic &quot;just say no&quot; drug policy in the face of an increase in the use or crack/cocaine in the USA. #The &quot;just say no&quot; campaign was typical of ronnie's policies...all words no action. Instead of providing funding for much needed and proven effective drug treatment #he and Nancy gave us a worthless slogan while crack/cocaine money went to fund the contras.

Ronnie set this country on a collision course with big government and fascism. Ronnie didn;t get big government &quot;off our backs&quot; he pushed big government further on our backs expanding the role of big government on our lives while allowing big business to get away with more and more.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ June 02 2007,04:24)]Quote[/b] ]No, he isn't wrong, it's you who have fallen for the charade offered up by those who wish to &quot;help&quot; people.

When they say SS recipients get back more than they paid in, they're relying upon those early payers that contributed $0.12 per week for 5 years for a total contribution of $31.12 before collecting $100.00 per month for twenty years.

Us 'baby boomers', on the other hand, have been paying through the nose for 40 years, averaging total contributions of $200,000 or more over our life times.

When we retire at 66, with a life expectancy of 11 more years, we will receive $237,000. #Sounds like more than we paid in doesn't it? #It's not though, when you consider the interest we could have earned on those contributions over those 40 years.

That contribution would have doubled four times in 40 years at an interest rate of 7%. #We're getting screwed, our children are getting screwed and everybody who promotes SS knows it.

kc0ukk #- don't forget the employers match funds, your lifetime $200K contribution means $400K into the kitty. #

Also do you remember when it was proposed that employees be given an option to invest 1% or 2% of their contribution into the private sector instead of normally just handing it #over to Feds. #

The Leftist/Socialistic/Democrat party said that the American public wasn't sophisticated enough to be trusted to invest their own money. # #

As far as Whine Country Dave is concerned - I would have much rather have had the opportunity to invest my own money instead of turning it over to the Feds for them to use to buy votes. # Unfortunately, under the FDR mandated plan I had no choice so yes, I'll collect my check every month although I doubt if I'll ever break even.

Wait for it #- Wait for it - here comes the military retirment slur from at least one of the X-clones!
Quote[/b] ]
The Leftist/Socialistic/Democrat party said that the American public wasn't sophisticated enough to be trusted to invest their own money. #


Actually the American people largely spoke their minds on this one. Investment in the private sector is actually a very risky way to bank for your retirement years. And the smaller your yearly income the more risky it becomes. Honestly said, the investment game is not for the avaerage person. Most Americans are clueless when it comes to investment strategies. The only successful investors I have ever known were those who were extremely well versed in the various strategies continuously studied the market inside out and carefully followed #every market trend. And even then they invested conservatively and with extreme caution. The avaerage American has neither the time nor knowledge or integrity needed for successful investing. The so called &quot;made easy&quot; investing that became popular over the past decade or two worked well for a while when there were lots of rapidly growing ventures. Some of those ventures either went belly up and others have matured over time changing the landscape of the investment game. Sure, you can still make money investing in the private sector if you know what the heck you are doing. But I would hardly advise the average worker of modest means to bank his future and retirement on private investments. Americans fortunately understand this and are very wary of the Bush idea of replacing social security (which has worked quite well over the years) with private investments. Thats why many Americans beckoned their reps to oppose the Bush plan.

[w5lda]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ May 21 2007,08:27)]Ever notice it's always the former democrat presidents and vice presidents criticizing former or sitting republican presidents? Whereas the former republican presidents and vice presidents respect the time honored tradition of not publicly criticizing a sitting president or his policies.

What can we surmise from this?

The former republican presidents have more respect for the office of the presidency than do the democrats. Probably way more class too.
Boy! What a crock of horse doodoo

[W4HAY]

Link (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/strips/mallard/2000/MFT20070619.jpg)

[K3XR]

Jimma, what a statesman..

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=28842

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]Thus, Man from Plains confirms what many long suspected: the Worst President of the 20th Century does not want the United States to end the War on Terror. He merely wants us to switch sides.

Good one!
I think Jimmaaaaah is suffering from BSE.