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Quote[/b] ]Bush's remarks represented his first detailed public comment on the immigration proposal since it was unveiled Thursday after extensive negotiations among several Democratic and Republican senators and two Cabinet members.
Although the president long has pushed for a sweeping overhaul of the nation's immigration laws, he largely steered clear of the talks that produced the accord.
The immigration issue is politically sensitive for Bush, given the opposition of some of his most ardent supporters to any bill that goes beyond beefed-up border security and a crackdown on the employment of illegal immigrants. But it is a topic he has focused on since he served as governor of Texas in the 1990s.
Posted without comment.
* Bush's Take * (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-immig20may20,0,4031316,print.story?coll=la-home-center)
w2amr
05-20-2007, 08:35 AM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ May 20 2007,00:41)]Quote[/b] ]Bush's remarks represented his first detailed public comment on the immigration proposal since it was unveiled Thursday after extensive negotiations among several Democratic and Republican senators and two Cabinet members.
Although the president long has pushed for a sweeping overhaul of the nation's immigration laws, he largely steered clear of the talks that produced the accord.
The immigration issue is politically sensitive for Bush, given the opposition of some of his most ardent supporters to any bill that goes beyond beefed-up border security and a crackdown on the employment of illegal immigrants. But it is a topic he has focused on since he served as governor of Texas in the 1990s.
Posted without comment.
* Bush's Take * (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-immig20may20,0,4031316,print.story?coll=la-home-center)
Sad, VERY sad.
I don't think there is any immigration bill that could ever go forward that would make anyone happy.
I don't like this one because as I understand it anyone already here since Jan 1 would just pay a fine of some $5800 over a period of years and they are now "legal".
for starters, the minute that this even gets close to passing, we will have many more coming and saying they have been here for some time working illegally of course.
But then again this is compromise legislation so what can you expect?
I don't think this problem is going to ever really go away. We can't hire enough people to watch the borders as we just can't afford it.
And until they punish the employers to are knowingly employing illegals they are going to keep coming.
Hunt down, arrest and deport every single one of the bastards, and their little dog too.
K2WH
Quote[/b] (K2WH @ May 20 2007,00:35)]Hunt down, arrest and deport every single one of the bastards, and their little dog too.
K2WH
Ditto here. I am as sick of the Bush administration and Barney makes me sick.
KF0RT
05-20-2007, 01:38 PM
Quote[/b] (W7WV @ May 20 2007,07:19)]for starters, the minute that this even gets close to passing, we will have many more coming and saying they have been here for some time working illegally of course.
Bingo.
73, Rob
wa8rti
05-20-2007, 01:49 PM
One change that should be included would be eliminating automatic citizenship for children born in the U.S. of illegal immigrant parents. No other county I know of is as giving of citizenship rights. Such children could be given a future right to apply for citzenship with less red tape than others but that is all they should get.
KW4MW
05-20-2007, 01:50 PM
Ah what the Hell, open the gates, let them in, let's just get it over with.
(excuse me while I reload)
We have immigration laws on the books now. I have trouble understanding why they aren't being enforced. Why do we need reform?
If they want to reform immigration they should repeal the law granting citizenship to the babies of foreign nationals born in this country.
This reform is nothing more than a way to grant social serivices to those who have not contributed to the system and to garner votes for their party. That is the "reform" they are trying to pass.
ad4mg
05-20-2007, 01:51 PM
Quote[/b] ]We can't hire enough people to watch the borders as we just can't afford it.
Of course not. We're throwing our money away in an unjustified war in a country that was no threat to us. We'll never know what we could have accomplished on border security without the countless billions wasted in Iraq. Plus, we don't have the resolve to stand up to Mexico on the immigration issue, so that's a moot point too.
We now understand how dearly we will pay for the mistakes made by this administration. And we will continue to understand for decades to come, as will our children and grandchildren.
It also doesn't matter how many immigration laws are passed. This administration ignores them ... worse, this administration puts effort into making sure that even state and local governments don't attempt to address illegals leeching off the system. They will just ignore any new laws. Congress is just as lame ... we have a law now to build xxx miles of fence along the border, but they refuse to fund it. So, miraculously, more laws are somehow going to force Congress to fund the fence dictated by a previous law? Total and unadulterated BS.
And no ... I don't think for a minute previous administrations did us any better. Not since before the Reagan years have we had any control over immigration in this country.
It's a new chapter in American history where politicians have granted themselves immunity from the laws of the land. They only adhere to them when its convenient. Accountability is a thing of the past.
What the hell ... lets pass this bill so it too can be ignored, except for the amnesty that will be granted to the illegals anyway. That's where its heading ... more and more cheap votes for the pigs on the hill. More power to the pigs, and less and less for the voter (legal American citizen). You can take it to the bank.
w3scm
05-20-2007, 02:31 PM
I am appalled at the lack of human compassion. Those poor people. We should do everything we can for them.
Quote[/b] ]Bush Vigorously Defending Pending Immigration Bill, Is This What Americans Want?
I don't want it.
BTW, I did notice a total lack of condemnation for the democrat controlled congress who passed it. Why wasn't Ted Kennedy, the author and main sponsor of the bill, in your title?
WA3WDR
05-20-2007, 03:41 PM
Here is how the ilegal immigrants will leave the country and come back:
They will enter their county's embassy, fill out an application form, pick up leaflets telling them how to continue to evade our law enforcement, and leave the embassy.
The embassy is foreign soil. #It will turn out that this will satisfy the 'leave and come back' requirement. #Americans will be livid, but our leaders will continue to be in the pocket of agricultural and construction interests, and their spokespeople on talk shows will tell us to shut up. #Any honest radio hosts will be accused of racism, fired, and replaced with more who are in the same pockets.
As someone said, a bunch of people will claim that they had been here illegally before January 2007. #They will of course be allowed to enter as well.
As soon as it is too late to stop this train wreck, the $5000 and back taxes payment requirement will be found to be too difficult, and probably unconstitutional, and it will be dropped. #Oh, and by the way they will drop the background check requirement as well, on the grounds that it is too expensive. #They will also drop the provision calling for 6000 additional border guards, because Mexico will protest it, and because we can't afford it anyway. And there will be no budget for any internal enforcment. #And so on, and so on.
Treatment for laughing disorder will be given at no charge.
I leave it to the reader to figure out what happens after that.
KI4PJW
05-20-2007, 04:27 PM
For those in the states of Arizona, California, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas and Washigton.
Welcome to Aztlan! #Get ready to either fight and die on your property or pack up now so you won't forget things.
Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas, Arlington; founder of La Raza Unida political party; and beneficiary of American generosity: "We have an aging white America. . . . They are dying. . . . They are ******** in their pants with fear! I love it!" "We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."
http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/JoseAngelGutierrezQuote.html
" Shown are the "repatriated" eight or nine states including Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington. According to the school text, Mexico is supposed to regain these territories as they rightly belong to the "mythical" homeland of Aztlan. On page 86, it says "...a free-trade agreement...promises...if Mexico is to allow the U.S. to invest in Mexico...then Mexico should...be allowed to freely export...Mexican labor."
http://www.aztlan.net/
http://www.calstatela.edu/orgs/mecha/planphilmecha.htm
http://www.umich.edu/~mechaum/Natconst.html
Will Not Bow!!!
WA3WDR
05-20-2007, 05:02 PM
Why is impeachment not on the table, again?
ad4mg
05-20-2007, 05:16 PM
Quote[/b] (WA3WDR @ May 20 2007,13:02)]Why is impeachment not on the table, again?
You can't go there with this one. As much as we pray for his reign of incompetence to end, Bush must bow to the superior stupidity of Kennedy and his band of idiots who authored this bird cage liner.
Give credit where its due ... this one has dumbocrat written all over it.
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ May 20 2007,13:16)]Quote[/b] (WA3WDR @ May 20 2007,13:02)]Why is impeachment not on the table, again?
You can't go there with this one. As much as we pray for his reign of incompetence to end, Bush must bow to the superior stupidity of Kennedy and his band of idiots who authored this bird cage liner.
Give credit where its due ... this one has dumbocrat written all over it.
Um, this one had Bush written all over it. The 'compromise' is exactly what Bush was looking for last year, nearly word for word. The whole deal was put together with direct White House supervision. And as we know, if he doesn't like something he'll veto it no matter who wants it, how much it is needed and no matter how badly it's needed.
ie.: Emergency Funding Bill.
Your arguement doesn't hold water. Past performance has proven that assertion is just another AM radio talking point.
k6bbc
05-20-2007, 07:53 PM
If 3XR and 4KWW don't give up the ghost now, they are truly brainwashed idiots.
bbc
w2amr
05-20-2007, 08:14 PM
Quote[/b] (w3scm @ May 20 2007,07:31)]I am appalled at the lack of human compassion. #Those poor people. #We should do everything we can for them.
........ including a free ride home.
w2amr
05-20-2007, 08:16 PM
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ May 20 2007,10:16)]Quote[/b] (WA3WDR @ May 20 2007,13:02)]Why is impeachment not on the table, again?
You can't go there with this one. #As much as we pray for his reign of incompetence to end, Bush must bow to the superior stupidity of Kennedy and his band of idiots who authored this bird cage liner.
Give credit where its due ... this one has dumbocrat written all over it.
Dems and republicans want the same thing but for different reasons. It's bend over time.
w2amr
05-20-2007, 08:17 PM
Quote[/b] (WA3WDR @ May 20 2007,10:02)]Why is impeachment not on the table, again?
You gotta be kidding, they don't even have the guts to cut off funding for the war.
k6bbc
05-20-2007, 08:55 PM
Quote[/b] (w2amr @ May 20 2007,13:17)]Quote[/b] (WA3WDR @ May 20 2007,10:02)]Why is impeachment not on the table, again?
You gotta be kidding, they don't even have the guts to cut off funding for the war.
It really made me LOL when I read congress' approval rating, after only 4 months, IS BELOW BUSH'S. They are all pathetic.
bbc
Quote[/b] (K2WH @ May 20 2007,08:35)]Hunt down, arrest and deport every single one of the bastards, and their little dog too.
K2WH
That is simply not going to happen.
The promise of amnesty (which happened in 1986), everyone grabbing for the up and coming soon to be majority hispanic vote, cries of anti-hispanic "racism" (which is funny because "hispanic" is not a race!), the willingness of American corporations, farmers and people in general being cheapasses and wanting to save a buck, coupled with extreme poverty in some parts of Mexico and the boldness of illegals has resulted in a population of some 12 million of them coming here.
There is no way to detain and deport every one of them.
Legalizing them is not going to help either, because those who want them here want them under the gun of the threat of deportation and out of the scope of US labor laws.
In short, we're screwed any way you take it.
Quote[/b] (w3scm @ May 20 2007,09:31)]I am appalled at the lack of human compassion. Those poor people. We should do everything we can for them.
I'm glad you have a sense of humor.
Quote[/b] (wa8rti @ May 20 2007,08:49)]One change that should be included would be eliminating automatic citizenship for children born in the U.S. of illegal immigrant parents. No other county I know of is as giving of citizenship rights. Such children could be given a future right to apply for citzenship with less red tape than others but that is all they should get.
That is simply not true.
Many countries grant jus soli i.e. birthright citizenship.
I agree though that it should be amended so that at least one parent has to be a citizen or both have to be US permanent residents, and none of them can be here illegally.
That would kill the illegal immigration problem ASAP.
ad4mg
05-20-2007, 09:12 PM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ May 20 2007,15:33)]Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ May 20 2007,13:16)]Quote[/b] (WA3WDR @ May 20 2007,13:02)]Why is impeachment not on the table, again?
You can't go there with this one. As much as we pray for his reign of incompetence to end, Bush must bow to the superior stupidity of Kennedy and his band of idiots who authored this bird cage liner.
Give credit where its due ... this one has dumbocrat written all over it.
Um, this one had Bush written all over it. The 'compromise' is exactly what Bush was looking for last year, nearly word for word. The whole deal was put together with direct White House supervision. And as we know, if he doesn't like something he'll veto it no matter who wants it, how much it is needed and no matter how badly it's needed.
ie.: Emergency Funding Bill.
Your arguement doesn't hold water. Past performance has proven that assertion is just another AM radio talking point.
I just have this image of Kennedy & Pelosi proudly posing for the press following the announcement of the "compromise agreement" regarding free rides for 12 million moochers at the expense of guess who ... the middle class again.
Made me want to puke. Lousy politicians. Bush, Pelosi, Kennedy, all the same. No concept of what is right ... no intention of following the will of the people. Damn it, I thought this lousy government worked for us, not the other way around. We don't have a government in this country any more ... we have a ruling class. And we're the sheeple, because we're going to let this happen. @#!&*%^!!!!!!!
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ May 20 2007,17:12)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ May 20 2007,15:33)]Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ May 20 2007,13:16)]Quote[/b] (WA3WDR @ May 20 2007,13:02)]Why is impeachment not on the table, again?
You can't go there with this one. As much as we pray for his reign of incompetence to end, Bush must bow to the superior stupidity of Kennedy and his band of idiots who authored this bird cage liner.
Give credit where its due ... this one has dumbocrat written all over it.
Um, this one had Bush written all over it. The 'compromise' is exactly what Bush was looking for last year, nearly word for word. The whole deal was put together with direct White House supervision. And as we know, if he doesn't like something he'll veto it no matter who wants it, how much it is needed and no matter how badly it's needed.
ie.: Emergency Funding Bill.
Your arguement doesn't hold water. Past performance has proven that assertion is just another AM radio talking point.
I just have this image of Kennedy & Pelosi proudly posing for the press following the announcement of the "compromise agreement" regarding free rides for 12 million moochers at the expense of guess who ... the middle class again.
Made me want to puke. Lousy politicians. Bush, Pelosi, Kennedy, all the same. No concept of what is right ... no intention of following the will of the people. Damn it, I thought this lousy government worked for us, not the other way around. We don't have a government in this country any more ... we have a ruling class. And we're the sheeple, because we're going to let this happen. @#!&*%^!!!!!!!
Now that is something I can agree on 100%. It's time the government started looking out for their constituents, the voters. Instead of bending backwards to this problem, they should be protecting Legal Americans and Legal Aliens.
Enough is enough and I suggest everybody watch who votes which way when this bill comes up. I intend to put anybody that votes for this and that I can vote for on the wall so I can see it on election day. I have done that before and apparently I wasn't the only one. That guy lost big on election day.
Quote[/b] (WA3WDR @ May 20 2007,04:02)]Why is impeachment not on the table, again?
Apparently the conservative base appreciates this measure enough to not push for impeachment.
wa8rti
05-21-2007, 11:58 AM
To AB2MH: please enlighten me-what countries grant automatic citizenship to persons born on their soil of illegal immigrant parents?
WA3WDR
05-21-2007, 12:31 PM
"Is this what Americans want?"
HELL NO
Quote[/b] (WA3WDR @ May 20 2007,23:31)]"Is this what Americans want?"
HELL NO
When has this stopped Bush before? Kennedy is little more than a Bush puppet, signing off the NCLB and so many other fiasco's out there, they are 2 peas in an iPod.
KI4PJW
05-21-2007, 02:08 PM
We are now in the North American Union. The agreements such as NAFTA, CAFTA, FTAA, etc.,have destroyed the Spirit of the American Union of 1776. Until the masses take to the streets and bang some heads we ain't going back.
WILL NOT BOW!!!
KD6NIG
05-21-2007, 03:03 PM
Is this what Americans want?
Since when has what Americans wanted really mattered?
Like quite a few people have said already, Washington is going to do what they want to do to best serve themselves, their reelection campaigns, and funding for said campaigns.
If they actually listened to the American people, social security would have been fixed a long time ago, the troops probably would already be on the way home (remember now, when it happened, most people were for the deployment, so in that case at that moment, the 'will of the people' was followed), the budget would be balanced, our roads would be in good shape, and people who wanted pet projects funded would have been told they need to wait in line behind IMPORTANT things that are needed to keep this country properly functioning.
What can we do though? Sure, we can "toss them all out" but the problem is, this usually doesn't work, and there will be enough of the 'old school' left to ensure that things continue to run the way they do. We could elect the most honest person in the world to congress, or even as president, and they would have 2 choices-be honest and out in 4 years (and during that time be railroaded by congress to ensure the status quo is maintained) or, conform, adapt to the system, play the game, and get reelected (or at least have a chance to). Sure, there are a few that listen to the people, but they have to play the game also.
We can talk, scream, jump up and down, get all of us together and march on Washington. The bottom line though is that the political game is played, and on the odd chance EITHER side does something that the people want, it is because there is some kind of political gain that will be derived from it, some kind of favor gained, or its something that has to be done lest the people rise up and overthrow the government. They are smart enough not to rile us to that point, but most of the time, that political train does stuff to keep us satisfied just enough that they can keep playing their game.
Sure, the 12 million are illegal, and to this day, remain illegal. But, as American citizens, if this bill passes in this or some other form, and the illegals in this country follow the law when it goes into effect, to the letter, the only thing I will do, as an American citizen, is shake the hand of a fellow American. If they do what the government asks, it is not the fault of the person who followed that law. As the law stands now, they are illegal. If our government changes that law, it is not the fault of the illegal if they follow the new law to the letter. At that point the blame falls squarely on our lawmakers.
If you are upset at this, then hopefully when the law is enacted, if it is passed in this or some other form, do what you can to get the person voted out, if they voted for it. Its likely the person that replaces them will probably play the same game, but its the only hope we have to maybe demonstrate the people actually pay attention.
But if you expect radical change in Washington, I wish you luck. They have been playing the game for quite a while, and they are quite happy with the rules. Radical change would definetely be a stretch.
I'm not happy with this, nor are many others. But if its passed and enacted into law, blaming those who take advantage of it is not correct. We're Americans, and if our government welcomes them with open arms, we need to do the right thing and not attack them for following the rules that our government decided to impose.
As for me, I'll be making my opinions known to my representatives. I hope you all do also. But if someone is illegal, and because this legislation is enacted and they suddenly aren't....don't blame them.
Blame the people who made it possible.
And lets hope that enforcement of this law is better than what we have now. That will be another thing I'll be bringing up in my letter to my representatives.
Quote[/b] (KI4PJW @ May 21 2007,01:08)]We are now in the North American Union. The agreements such as NAFTA, CAFTA, FTAA, etc.,have destroyed the Spirit of the American Union of 1776. Until the masses take to the streets and bang some heads we ain't going back.
WILL NOT BOW!!!
I thought you were pro-conservative issues!
Quote[/b] (wa8rti @ May 21 2007,06:58)]To AB2MH: please enlighten me-what countries grant automatic citizenship to persons born on their soil of illegal immigrant parents?
Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Jamaica, Mexico, Pakistan, Peru, Uruguay.
Just to name a few.
KI4PJW
05-21-2007, 09:25 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ May 20 2007,15:57)]Quote[/b] (KI4PJW @ May 21 2007,01:08)]We are now in the North American Union. #The agreements such as NAFTA, CAFTA, FTAA, etc.,have destroyed the Spirit of the American Union of 1776. #Until the masses take to the streets and bang some heads we ain't going back.
WILL NOT BOW!!!
I thought you were pro-conservative issues!
That was an attempt to enlighten, not an endorsement of the Globalist Agenda.