Paris Hilton gets 45 days [Archive]

N5FOG

05-05-2007, 02:42 AM

Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ May 03 2007,21:07)]Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ May 04 2007,17:09)]As long as she gets zero special treatment, I'm good.

If shes coddled, isolated, or protected in any way, its not a real sentence.
The spoiled brat might actually learn something...
Because of "her fame" she will have to be isolated for her safety and the safety of the other inmates.

She would be a big time target for the female inmates to harm or sexually assault (yes females do sexually assault each other in jail/prison).

Famous or notorious inmates have to be separated because the other inmates want to harm them because of who they are and the notoriety/respect they think it will bring them. Plus its a security risk to the order of the facility because of what the other inmates will do to try to gain access to famous inmate.

When I was a corrections officer, the facility I worked in was housing Robert Durst before and during his trial, and we had to go to great lengths to keep him totally separated for the same reasons.

FOG

W5IEI

05-05-2007, 02:47 AM

About what I figured!!!!
Chickensh#t cops scared to do their jobs.

Why are celebrities different from normal people?

Put them in general population,and let them deal with it!

k4avl

05-05-2007, 02:48 AM

I haven't lived in New Jersey for 35 years, but I remember (as a kid over 40 years ago) along route 46 there were so many signs as well as traffic circles, that read either "Secaucus" or "Dover". What were those 2 places and why were they so important.? I also remember the little black balls on the road with flames coming out of them when my dad drove us around (kerosene powered construction zone warning devices)?
And also when you were going to the Secaucus end of the highway, it really started to smell a whole lot like burning garbage, so why would anyone want to go there?
I also remember when we drove through there, for some reason my dad would get somewhere near Teterboro Airport then cut down Moonachie road at night, which had all these purple lights with ruffled shades above them on street corners along the way, very weird, and somewhere approaching the Lincoln Tunnel (probably Route 3) there was a huge "Hiram Walker" 86 proof billboard with a giant protruding whisky bottle. I thought "that must be some good stuff". When we went through the Queens Midtown tunnel, the tiles seemed to be falling off the ceiling, we wondered if the fish would be next.
When we finally got to Queens to see our family, the traffic lights had only 2 lights, red & green, no yellow, but on the street corners ther were a lot of orange cylindrical lights, some were ball shaped as well (maybe where the fire alarms were?). So weird for a kid, and very surreal. A few years later my dad changed to route to drive over the Triboro bridge, that railroad bridge next to it (Hell's Gate) was sure spooky in itself ancient, rusty and huge stone pillars with round balls on top, those were sure strange days.

n2ize

05-05-2007, 03:41 AM

Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ May 04 2007,19:47)]About what I figured!!!!
Chickensh#t cops scared to do their jobs.

Why are celebrities different from normal people?

Put them in general population,and let them deal with it!
Didn't the guy above who was a CO explain why ? Perhaps you hate and despise celebrities but are you so sadistic that you would want them locked up where you know almost for certain that they will be deliberately raped, assaulted, etc ? There are people who would rape or assault a famous person simply for the sake of saying, "hey, I did so and so..." Do you feel that is right ? Is that the way jesus wanted people treated ?

n2ize

05-05-2007, 03:49 AM

Quote[/b] (KI4TBW @ May 04 2007,19:48)]I haven't lived in New Jersey for 35 years, but I remember (as a kid over 40 years ago) along route 46 there were so many signs as well as traffic circles, that read either "Secaucus" or "Dover". What were those 2 places and why were they so important.? I also remember the little black balls on the road with flames coming out of them when my dad drove us around (kerosene powered construction zone warning devices)?
And also when you were going to the Secaucus end of the highway, it really started to smell a whole lot like burning garbage, so why would anyone want to go there?
I also remember when we drove through there, for some reason my dad would get somewhere near Teterboro Airport then cut down Moonachie road at night, which had all these purple lights with ruffled shades above them on street corners along the way, very weird, and somewhere approaching the Lincoln Tunnel (probably Route 3) there was a huge "Hiram Walker" 86 proof billboard with a giant protruding whisky bottle. I thought "that must be some good stuff". When we went through the Queens Midtown tunnel, the tiles seemed to be falling off the ceiling, we wondered if the fish would be next.
. A few years later my dad changed to route to drive over the Triboro bridge, that railroad bridge next to it (Hell's Gate) was sure spooky in itself ancient, rusty and huge stone pillars with round balls on top, those were sure strange days.
Quote[/b] ]
When we finally got to Queens to see our family, the traffic lights had only 2 lights, red & green, no yellow, but on the street corners ther were a lot of orange cylindrical lights, some were ball shaped as well (maybe where the fire alarms were?). So weird for a kid, and very surreal

Those were fire box lights. They were mounted atop the old pull boxes to indicate/signal where they were at night. There was one just like that on my corner. The boxes are still there. Very few have working lights these days.

The old traffic sigs had only 2 lights, red & green. Just before going red the signal would go red and green simultaneously for a few seconds which meant the same thing as a 3 way sig going yellow. Sometime during the mid 1960's I noticed they started changing the two way red/green sigs to 3 way red/yellow/green sigs. Now they;re all 3 ways. You'd be hard pressed to find an old 2 way sig anywhere abouts these days.

KG6JTB

05-05-2007, 04:02 AM

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 03 2007,19:43)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 03 2007,20:30)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 04 2007,17:03)]She's going to jail and suddenly I feel so much safer. Jesus what a joke.

Link (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-hilton5may05,1,6128519.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&track=crosspromo)
Paris Hilton is the poster child of why this country needs the estate tax.
The estate tax is nothing more than double taxation. It should be eliminated.
Paris is exactly the type of person that needs to spend some time in jail.

She was arrested for DUI. Excuse the hell out of me, but I lost two friends to drunk driving, and my wife lost a cousin.

Secondly, she flagrantly drove and was stopped for driving on a suspended license. The third time she did so, she was clocked at 70 in a 35 on Sunset Blvd with her lights off at night.

The friggin bimbo got the book tossed at her. The judge gave her a 45 day sentence in county jail, not city jail, not pansy jail. She will get be in the general population with some of the skuzziest women in the world. I've booked females before at county years ago. It's a very bad place, probably worse than prison.

That's all we need, someone else dying in a collision with a pompous dim &^%$&^% who’s too stupid to obey the law.

Dave
KG6JTB

n2ize

05-05-2007, 04:10 AM

Quote[/b] (KG6JTB @ May 04 2007,21:02)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 03 2007,19:43)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 03 2007,20:30)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 04 2007,17:03)]She's going to jail and suddenly I feel so much safer. Jesus what a joke.

Link (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-hilton5may05,1,6128519.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&track=crosspromo)
Paris Hilton is the poster child of why this country needs the estate tax.
The estate tax is nothing more than double taxation. It should be eliminated.
Paris is exactly the type of person that needs to spend some time in jail.

She was arrested for DUI. Excuse the hell out of me, but I lost two friends to drunk driving, and my wife lost a cousin.

Secondly, she flagrantly drove and was stopped for driving on a suspended license. The third time she did so, she was clocked at 70 in a 35 on Sunset Blvd with her lights off at night.

The friggin bimbo got the book tossed at her. The judge gave her a 45 day sentence in county jail, not city jail, not pansy jail. She will get be in the general population with some of the skuzziest women in the world. I've booked females before at county years ago. It's a very bad place, probably worse than prison.

That's all we need, someone else dying in a collision with a pompous dim &^%$&^% who&#8217;s too stupid to obey the law.

Dave
KG6JTB
I highly doubt she is going to spend any time in a regular county jail with regular jail inmates. Maybe that is what they are telling the public, maybe that is what she deserves but there is one factor that changes the picture. it's called MONEY. She has lots and lots of it. Anyone who thinks she's going to sit in a county jail getting raped, beaten up, etc... well, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell.

kg4kww

05-05-2007, 05:01 AM

word is that her mommy laughed at the judge in court and plans to appeal.

Guess, these rich folks are above the law.

kd7msc

05-05-2007, 05:09 AM

I wonder if she will release a Paris in Prison video. "Thats Hot" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

VE7NOT

05-05-2007, 05:12 AM

Will Tinkerbell stay in a Kennel? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

N5FOG

05-05-2007, 05:31 AM

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ May 04 2007,00:01)]Guess, these rich folks are above the law.
Sad to sad but thats pretty much the truth these days.

I've sat in many trials and seen it first hand. If your rich and can afford a really good legal team you can pretty much get away with anything even murder (OJ Simpson is a perfect example)

But on the other hand, a person who cannot afford legal representation is screwed. The public defenders that the courts provide are a joke. They are grossly overloaded and don't have the time or resources to properly defend anyone.

Sad to say, but if your poor there really is no justice for you and the chances of you getting a fair trial is just about zero.

FOG

kg4kww

05-05-2007, 05:32 AM

Check out this video from MSNBC.

Paris Video;MSNBC (http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=6d98461b-5856-4422-ad89-a167545a58fe&p=Source_Countdown&t=c1149&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18472845/&fg=)

W4HAY

05-05-2007, 11:52 AM

Stoopid is as stoopid does.

Now if'n y'all will 'scuse me, I'm off to a horse, mule and donkey auction where I'll see some REAL jackasses! And not all of them will have four legs!

K9QJ

05-05-2007, 01:20 PM

I bet she skips.

N5NPO

05-05-2007, 02:02 PM

Quote[/b] (K9QJ @ May 05 2007,06:20)]I bet she skips.
Would not surprise me 1 bit.
Then she will hire a big time attourney to get the whole thing thrown out over some technicality...

KD6NIG

05-05-2007, 02:18 PM

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ May 04 2007,20:41)]Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ May 04 2007,19:47)]About what I figured!!!!
Chickensh#t cops scared to do their jobs.

Why are celebrities different from normal people?

Put them in general population,and let them deal with it!
Didn't the guy above who was a CO explain why ? Perhaps you hate and despise celebrities but are you so sadistic that you would want them locked up where you know almost for certain that they will be deliberately raped, assaulted, etc ? There are people who would rape or assault a famous person simply for the sake of saying, "hey, I did so and so..." Do you feel that is right ? Is that the way jesus wanted people treated ?
I'm not being sadistic at all, when I say she should be in general pop. What I'm saying is, if they have to go to all this trouble (and expense) of keeping her isolated and protected because of her "celeb" status, it would have been much better for the judge to say, "ok, 45 days, or $45,000." She probably would have taken the latter, and we wouldn't be spending special money to keep her specially incarcerated.

Course, with the overcrowding problem most California jails have, she may make 30 days. Was a non-violent offense, so if they are overfull, she'll get out early anyway. But what kind of lesson will being in a cell, protected, teach? I bet she does it again.

Shes got a large pocketbook. I would have given the jail funding instead of a "special case" headache for 45 days.

WS2L

05-05-2007, 02:40 PM

These famous people think because of there status in society that they are immune to the laws. I'm glad she is getting locked up, maybe it will teach her a lesson.

N5NPO

05-05-2007, 02:44 PM

Equal justice under the law.
You do the crime, you do the time.

K6BBC

05-05-2007, 05:18 PM

Paris Hilton is the closet we have in America to royalty – the Hilton family could be considered our Royal Family. In issues of privilege and law, I suggest we treat the royals in the same manner the French treated their royals.

bbc

K3XR

05-05-2007, 07:43 PM

She got off easy, the Judge should have given her additional time for contempt of court, for showing up 15 min. late.

k8pg

05-05-2007, 07:49 PM

I hope the Little BxxxH gets JUMPED?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif???http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Make It EAT CROW!

Like 1 Liar(Lawyers)legal blackmailers, said>

> Justice Is GREEN !!!! < -Jonny C.:)

Paul-K8PG:)

KG4CGC

05-05-2007, 08:16 PM

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ May 05 2007,00:01)]word is that her mommy laughed at the judge in court and plans to appeal.

Guess, these rich folks are above the law.
Wrongo Greg.
She laughed and thanked the judge and asked him for his autograph. She laughed at her daughter, not the judge.
Don't dump the baby so quick OM!

KD6NIG

05-05-2007, 11:16 PM

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ May 05 2007,10:18)]Paris Hilton is the closet we have in America to royalty – the Hilton family could be considered our Royal Family. In issues of privilege and law, I suggest we treat the royals in the same manner the French treated their royals.

bbc
Then she should have never gone to court then, right?

Phooey http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

You do the crime, you do the time, just like us common folk. It makes you wonder who she hired for an attorney though....you'd think she would have found a better shark to get her out of this.

W1GUH

05-05-2007, 11:33 PM

Quote[/b] ]And he [the judge] made it clear that he wanted no special treatment for Hilton — an heiress to the Hilton hotel fortune and a successful entrepreneur in her own right — ordering her to spend her sentence in a county jail and not a privately run "glamour slammer" where other celebrities have done their time.

linky (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/celebrity/la-me-hilton5may05,0,1968791.story?track=mostviewed-homepage)

W1GUH

05-05-2007, 11:41 PM

Quote[/b] (KI4TBW @ May 03 2007,20:48)]I haven't lived in New Jersey for 35 years, but I remember (as a kid over 40 years ago) along route 46 there were so many signs as well as traffic circles, that read either "Secaucus" or "Dover". What were those 2 places and why were they so important.? I also remember the little black balls on the road with flames coming out of them when my dad drove us around (kerosene powered construction zone warning devices)?
And also when you were going to the Secaucus end of the highway, it really started to smell a whole lot like burning garbage, so why would anyone want to go there?
I also remember when we drove through there, for some reason my dad would get somewhere near Teterboro Airport then cut down Moonachie road at night, which had all these purple lights with ruffled shades above them on street corners along the way, very weird, and somewhere approaching the Lincoln Tunnel (probably Route 3) there was a huge "Hiram Walker" 86 proof billboard with a giant protruding whisky bottle. I thought "that must be some good stuff". When we went through the Queens Midtown tunnel, the tiles seemed to be falling off the ceiling, we wondered if the fish would be next.
When we finally got to Queens to see our family, the traffic lights had only 2 lights, red & green, no yellow, but on the street corners ther were a lot of orange cylindrical lights, some were ball shaped as well (maybe where the fire alarms were?). So weird for a kid, and very surreal. A few years later my dad changed to route to drive over the Triboro bridge, that railroad bridge next to it (Hell's Gate) was sure spooky in itself ancient, rusty and huge stone pillars with round balls on top, those were sure strange days.
Secaucus is right where the NJTP and Rte 1&9 (Tonnele Ave.) intersected Rte.3 and the expressway to the Lincoln Tunnel.

Secaucus smelled like burning garbage because, til yuppified, it was two things, a huge dump and pig farms.

That was where I was introduced to NJ, when I was dragged kicking and screaming to install six computers (HP2114's) in the big mail sorting center there. I stayed in the infamous Chateau Renaissance there. Despite the charming and lovely surroundings I absolutely fell in love with the NY Metro region and pretty much never left.

When I first arrived there, I believe that the dumps had been burning for years...they couldn't put it out. Then one morning during rush hour the combination of the smoke from the fire and a morning fog caused a huge many, many car pile-up on the turnpike.

But Dover? Possibly a major intersection with Rte. 46? Can't think of anything else.

K6BBC

05-05-2007, 11:57 PM

Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ May 05 2007,16:16)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ May 05 2007,10:18)]Paris Hilton is the closet we have in America to royalty – the Hilton family could be considered our Royal Family. In issues of privilege and law, I suggest we treat the royals in the same manner the French treated their royals.

bbc
Then she should have never gone to court then, right?

Phooey http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

You do the crime, you do the time, just like us common folk. It makes you wonder who she hired for an attorney though....you'd think she would have found a better shark to get her out of this.
Phooey to you - the French cut off their heads!

bbc

KD6NIG

05-06-2007, 12:00 AM

Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ May 05 2007,16:57)]Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ May 05 2007,16:16)]Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ May 05 2007,10:18)]Paris Hilton is the closet we have in America to royalty – the Hilton family could be considered our Royal Family. In issues of privilege and law, I suggest we treat the royals in the same manner the French treated their royals.

bbc
Then she should have never gone to court then, right?

Phooey http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

You do the crime, you do the time, just like us common folk. It makes you wonder who she hired for an attorney though....you'd think she would have found a better shark to get her out of this.
Phooey to you - the French cut off their heads!

bbc
Brings a whole new meaning to "doing the time!"

n2ize

05-06-2007, 12:03 AM

Paris Hilton has it all. She's cool, sexy, hot, rich. Every mans dream. Nobody cares if she drives drunk or whatever she does. She's got "it". Doesn;t matter what the judge says. She can pay off the cops, the guards, the other inmates. The law can't touch her.

k5xit

05-06-2007, 02:11 AM

n2ize

05-06-2007, 02:19 AM

Quote[/b] (k5xit @ May 05 2007,19:11)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ May 05 2007,17:03)]Paris Hilton has it all. She's cool, sexy, hot, rich. Every mans dream. Nobody cares if she drives drunk or whatever she does. She's got "it". Doesn;t matter what the judge says. She can pay off the cops, the guards, the other inmates. The law can't touch her.
She makes you get your rocks off does she? She is in for a 45 day "tour" and damn well needs it. #She is nothing but a spoiled bitch.
But she's got "it" so she's never going to a real jail to do real time. If you think she is then as Paris would say, "keep dreamin baby". She may get a "tour" but it ain't the kind of tour the rest of em get.. Money does the talkin in and out.

kd7msc

05-06-2007, 02:21 AM

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ May 05 2007,09:03)]Paris Hilton has it all. She's cool, sexy, hot, rich. Every mans dream. Nobody cares if she drives drunk or whatever she does. She's got "it". Doesn;t matter what the judge says. She can pay off the cops, the guards, the other inmates. The law can't touch her.
She has is alright. And I dont want to catch it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I hope they feed that girl while she is in. She needs some meat on them bones.

n2ize

05-06-2007, 02:30 AM

Quote[/b] (kd7msc @ May 05 2007,19:21)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ May 05 2007,09:03)]Paris Hilton has it all. She's cool, sexy, hot, rich. Every mans dream. Nobody cares if she drives drunk or whatever she does. She's got "it". Doesn;t matter what the judge says. She can pay off the cops, the guards, the other inmates. The law can't touch her.
She has is alright. And I dont want to catch it #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #I hope they feed that girl while she is in. She needs some meat on them bones.
If you ask me she's too fat. She needs to loose a few pounds.

KD6NIG

05-06-2007, 03:05 AM

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ May 05 2007,17:03)]Paris Hilton has it all. She's cool, sexy, hot, rich. Every mans dream. Nobody cares if she drives drunk or whatever she does. She's got "it". Doesn;t matter what the judge says. She can pay off the cops, the guards, the other inmates. The law can't touch her.
Speak for yourself http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I think this 45 days will do nothing for her, BTW. She'll do this again. If she even serves a day. I don't see that happening either.

I don't like her in the least, either. Don't speak for everyone http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

KE5FRF

05-06-2007, 03:14 AM

**yawn**

k8pg

05-06-2007, 03:24 AM

N2IZE EVERY MANS DREAM?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif? ARE YOU CRAZY??? FLAT AS A BOARD AND BEEN NAILED A MILLION TIMES
WHAT STD WOULD YOU LIKE-JUST BECAUSE YOUR RICH DO NOT MAKE THE A WINNER http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Paul -K8PG CW LIVES-CW IS!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

N7RJD

05-06-2007, 06:34 AM

Quote[/b] (kd7msc @ May 04 2007,15:09)]I wonder if she will release a Paris in Prison video. "Thats Hot" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
A video would be fine. Anyone who wanted to see it would have to buy, borrow or pirate a copy.

Going with the current trend of television "entertainment" I would be more in fear of a reality TV show chiming in.

KA8NCR

05-06-2007, 12:53 PM

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 04 2007,18:43)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 03 2007,20:30)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 04 2007,17:03)]She's going to jail and suddenly I feel so much safer. Jesus what a joke.

Link (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-hilton5may05,1,6128519.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&track=crosspromo)
Paris Hilton is the poster child of why this country needs the estate tax.
The estate tax is nothing more than double taxation. It should be eliminated.
It needs to be revised, but it does not need to be eliminated.

The intent of the originators is to prevent a landed aristocracy from forming and giving the same problems that the nobility caused in Europe. Namely, they'd have nothing to do but run around and cause problems. It also is targeting privilege by birthright, something that the founding fathers expressly learned was a major factor of Western European corruption.

The estate tax causes the uber-wealthy to get especially philanthropic as they age. They don't want it going to the government where they have NO say in what is done with the money, so they form endowments where they DO have a say. The result is the same; public good while keeping the wealthy from forming long lines of a privileged aristocracy.

It does need to change, however. Just like the AMT is sweeping in the middle class, the estate tax has long been causing small family businesses and larger family farms to have to be sold in order to pay the estate taxes. That's wrong. But in the case of people like Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, the Hilton's, there is nothing wrong with encouraging them to dispose of their money as they see fit before their deaths. Carnegie, Libbey, Rockefeller; they all went through it.

When Warren Buffet sees and agrees to the estate tax, then you know there is merit.

AC0H

05-06-2007, 03:50 PM

The prototypical blond.

She apparently wasn't convicted of DUI the first time, even though she failed a field sobriety test. She plead "no contest" to reckless driving instead. She now has two driving while suspended added to it.

In this state if you fail a field sobriety test you're going to the pokey for one night, PERIOD, and depending on the breath or blood test you will/will not be charged with DUI. It doesn't work that way in the land of fruits, nuts, and stupid rich blonds?

AC0H

05-06-2007, 04:03 PM

Quote[/b] ]It does need to change, however. Just like the AMT is sweeping in the middle class, the estate tax has long been causing small family businesses and larger family farms to have to be sold in order to pay the estate taxes. That's wrong. But in the case of people like Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, the Hilton's, there is nothing wrong with encouraging them to dispose of their money as they see fit before their deaths. Carnegie, Libbey, Rockefeller; they all went through it.
So, you either give it away to people or entities which we, the government, deem acceptable or we'll take it from you at your death.

KF0RT

05-06-2007, 08:34 PM

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 06 2007,06:53)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 04 2007,18:43)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 03 2007,20:30)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 04 2007,17:03)]She's going to jail and suddenly I feel so much safer. Jesus what a joke.

Link (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-hilton5may05,1,6128519.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&track=crosspromo)
Paris Hilton is the poster child of why this country needs the estate tax.
The estate tax is nothing more than double taxation. It should be eliminated.
It needs to be revised, but it does not need to be eliminated.

The intent of the originators is to prevent a landed aristocracy from forming and giving the same problems that the nobility caused in Europe. #Namely, they'd have nothing to do but run around and cause problems. #It also is targeting privilege by birthright, something that the founding fathers expressly learned was a major factor of Western European corruption.

The estate tax causes the uber-wealthy to get especially philanthropic as they age. #They don't want it going to the government where they have NO say in what is done with the money, so they form endowments where they DO have a say. #The result is the same; public good while keeping the wealthy from forming long lines of a privileged aristocracy.

It does need to change, however. #Just like the AMT is sweeping in the middle class, the estate tax has long been causing small family businesses and larger family farms to have to be sold in order to pay the estate taxes. #That's wrong. #But in the case of people like Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, the Hilton's, there is nothing wrong with encouraging them to dispose of their money as they see fit before their deaths. #Carnegie, Libbey, Rockefeller; they all went through it. #

When Warren Buffet sees and agrees to the estate tax, then you know there is merit.
I agree that it needs to be revised. The tax-free limit needs to be raised MUCH higher.

Nobody is creating aristocracy with $20 million today, yet the limit is what, $2 million? This is family money that has already been taxed, afterall.

73, Rob

w2amr

05-06-2007, 08:53 PM

I think they should send her to Iraq.

k8pg

05-07-2007, 02:44 AM

I bet she could pull a TRAIN!!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

n6hcm

05-07-2007, 07:15 AM

Quote[/b] (w2amr @ May 06 2007,13:53)]I think they should send her to Iraq.
are we not losing the war fast enough?!?

w2amr

05-07-2007, 07:31 AM

Quote[/b] (n6hcm @ May 07 2007,00:15)]Quote[/b] (w2amr @ May 06 2007,13:53)]I think they should send her to Iraq.
are we not losing the war fast enough?!?
Good point http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

w2amr

05-07-2007, 07:42 AM

Maybe they could send Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie to film a couple of episodes of " The simple life", #from inside Baghdad. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

n2ize

05-07-2007, 07:47 AM

For driving drunk Paris Hilton should be locked in solitary confinement for life imprisonment.. I have absolutely no respect for drunk drivers. I don;t consider drunk drivers human. They are things, I prefer to refer to them as "it" or "that".

When a lowlife drives drunk it is sending a message that it doesn not give a rats tail about my life or the life of my family, friends, or anyone else. The penalty for driving drunk should be instant and permanent incarceration for life.

w2amr

05-07-2007, 08:31 AM

Paris fires publicist, calls jail term ‘cruel’

link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18524050/)

“She provides hope for young people all over the U.S. and the world. She provides beauty and excitement to (most of) our otherwise mundane lives,”

This is REALLY funny.

n2ize

05-07-2007, 09:42 AM

It calls the jail term cruel ?? It's lucky. It's going to be locked in a mickey mouse jail if they don't drop its sentence altogether. It should really be doing lifelong hard time.

AC0H

05-07-2007, 12:04 PM

Quote[/b] ]“She provides hope for young people all over the U.S. and the world. She provides beauty and excitement to (most of) our otherwise mundane lives,” Capone wrote in a letter to Schwarzenegger posted online on Hilton’s myspace page.

Hilton quickly responded on her myspace page.

“I just want to thank Joshua so much for his kind words of love and support. God Bless. Love Paris.”
I'm apoplectic!

Sounds like Joshua needs to get a real job and move out of his mothers basement.

One of the local idiot radio hosts seems to agree with Paris, her Mom, and poor, dateless Joshua that the sentence is too harsh. The radio station quit taking calls after the first 10 or so callers ripped him a new one. Of course, this idiot has been arrested multiple times for DUI.

N5NPO

05-07-2007, 12:30 PM

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 06 2007,05:53)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 04 2007,18:43)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 03 2007,20:30)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 04 2007,17:03)]She's going to jail and suddenly I feel so much safer. Jesus what a joke.

Link (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-hilton5may05,1,6128519.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&track=crosspromo)
Paris Hilton is the poster child of why this country needs the estate tax.
The estate tax is nothing more than double taxation. It should be eliminated.
It needs to be revised, but it does not need to be eliminated.

The intent of the originators is to prevent a landed aristocracy from forming and giving the same problems that the nobility caused in Europe. #Namely, they'd have nothing to do but run around and cause problems. #It also is targeting privilege by birthright, something that the founding fathers expressly learned was a major factor of Western European corruption.

The estate tax causes the uber-wealthy to get especially philanthropic as they age. #They don't want it going to the government where they have NO say in what is done with the money, so they form endowments where they DO have a say. #The result is the same; public good while keeping the wealthy from forming long lines of a privileged aristocracy.

It does need to change, however. #Just like the AMT is sweeping in the middle class, the estate tax has long been causing small family businesses and larger family farms to have to be sold in order to pay the estate taxes. #That's wrong. #But in the case of people like Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, the Hilton's, there is nothing wrong with encouraging them to dispose of their money as they see fit before their deaths. #Carnegie, Libbey, Rockefeller; they all went through it. #

When Warren Buffet sees and agrees to the estate tax, then you know there is merit.
I disagree...
I do not belive it is any of the governments bussiness what I do with the money I earn. It is redistribution of wealth. They tax it when you make it and they tax it when you die. They also tax it when you spend it.
We need a change.

http://www.fairtax.org/

KD6NIG

05-07-2007, 03:45 PM

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ May 07 2007,05:04)]Quote[/b] ]“She provides hope for young people all over the U.S. and the world. She provides beauty and excitement to (most of) our otherwise mundane lives,” Capone wrote in a letter to Schwarzenegger posted online on Hilton’s myspace page.

Hilton quickly responded on her myspace page.

“I just want to thank Joshua so much for his kind words of love and support. God Bless. Love Paris.”
I'm apoplectic!

Sounds like Joshua needs to get a real job and move out of his mothers basement.

One of the local idiot radio hosts seems to agree with Paris, her Mom, and poor, dateless Joshua that the sentence is too harsh. The radio station quit taking calls after the first 10 or so callers ripped him a new one. Of course, this idiot has been arrested multiple times for DUI.
Unfortunately they tend to learn what they are doing is wrong, after they plow into another car and kill a bunch of people. Usually, the people they plow into are killed and they walk away.

I have no issue with you getting falling down drunk. Do it in the privacy of your own home and don't do anything else till you're sober. You want to drink yourself to death, be my guest.

Just don't go out in public where you may interact with one or more persons because of your inability to properly control a motor vehicle or yourself.

From some of the articles I've read over the weekend, I'll be shocked if she serves even a quarter of the sentence.

And I need to look it up, but I thought a first drunk driving offense brought a 6 month suspension in California, major fines, and enrollment in a DUI educational program which includes a tour of the local morgue. I'll have to dig further.

Especially since this is a second offense.

KD6NIG

05-07-2007, 04:02 PM

This site outlines CA law regarding DUI pretty well... (http://www.kandblaw.com/penalty_chart.html)

If this is indeed her second offense, in most cases 96 hours of jail time would be mandatory. However, as the site states, there are some variations depending on county of occurance. A third offense can garner 120 days. Of course, this time may not nessacarily be "in jail" time.

n0ov

05-07-2007, 05:25 PM

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 03 2007,18:03)]She's going to jail and suddenly I feel so much safer. Jesus what a joke.

Link (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-hilton5may05,1,6128519.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&track=crosspromo)
Poor little rich kid -- leave her alone.

Hey wait, never mind. Martha made jail fashionable

KF0RT

05-07-2007, 05:33 PM

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ May 07 2007,01:47)]For driving drunk Paris Hilton should be locked in solitary confinement for life imprisonment.. I have absolutely no respect for drunk drivers. I don;t consider drunk drivers human. They are things, I prefer to refer to them as "it" or "that".

When a lowlife drives drunk it is sending a message that it doesn not give a rats tail about my life or the life of my family, friends, or anyone else. The penalty for driving drunk should be instant and permanent incarceration for life.
You're in a minority, and I'm glad you don't make the rules.

73, Rob

n0ov

05-07-2007, 05:45 PM

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ May 06 2007,11:33)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ May 07 2007,01:47)]For driving drunk Paris Hilton should be locked in solitary confinement for life imprisonment.. I have absolutely no respect for drunk drivers. I don;t consider drunk drivers human. They are things, I prefer to refer to them as "it" or "that".

When a lowlife drives drunk it is sending a message that it doesn not give a rats tail about my life or the life of my family, friends, or anyone else. The penalty for driving drunk should be instant and permanent incarceration for life.
You're in a minority, and I'm glad you don't make the rules.

73, Rob
What's next, death penalty for parking violations?

ac4ut

05-07-2007, 05:53 PM

Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ May 07 2007,09:02)]This site outlines CA law regarding DUI pretty well... (http://www.kandblaw.com/penalty_chart.html)

If this is indeed her second offense, in most cases 96 hours of jail time would be mandatory. #However, as the site states, there are some variations depending on county of occurance. #A third offense can garner 120 days. #Of course, this time may not nessacarily be "in jail" time.
Not just a second offense but a violation of probation on a revoked license which can carry it's own special punishments.

n0ov

05-07-2007, 05:58 PM

I guess the proposed "Birth Control" defense didn't work.

"Honestly judge, I could have stayed off the road by hiring a limo -- but you know how I get in the back seat........."

KD6NIG

05-07-2007, 06:25 PM

Quote[/b] (ac4ut @ May 07 2007,10:53)]Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ May 07 2007,09:02)]This site outlines CA law regarding DUI pretty well... (http://www.kandblaw.com/penalty_chart.html)

If this is indeed her second offense, in most cases 96 hours of jail time would be mandatory. However, as the site states, there are some variations depending on county of occurance. A third offense can garner 120 days. Of course, this time may not nessacarily be "in jail" time.
Not just a second offense but a violation of probation on a revoked license which can carry it's own special punishments.
True. If you do the crime though, you should do the time.

I don't understand how people who get a DUI can do it again, but I guess anything is possible.

Its not pleasant from those I know who have gone through it. Most of them wised up after the first one, though.

I guess it may have been a condition of probation, but I'm shocked she didn't take the normal star route and check in and out of rehab a few times.

n0ov

05-07-2007, 07:26 PM

Can see it now, "An evening in Paris, part 2 -- Prison Bells, Prison Blues"

WB2WIK

05-07-2007, 08:08 PM

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ May 04 2007,22:31)]I've sat in many trials and seen it first hand. If your rich and can afford a really good legal team you can pretty much get away with anything even murder (OJ Simpson is a perfect example)
I remember the Saturday Night Live show from right after the trial.

"It's official! Murder is now legal in the State of California." http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Great stuff.

WB2WIK

05-07-2007, 08:18 PM

Regarding Paris, she is appealing the sentence already.

However assuming that doesn't work, she'll have to appear at the county jail the first week of June.

My guess is she'll do about four days of hard time...maybe.

Remember, virtually everybody in L.A. gets their jail sentence reduced to 50% of what was ordered, due to overcrowded jails. That would make it 22-1/2 days. Then, most traffic offenders get that reduced again. This conviction was not based on multiple DUIs*. It was based on driving with a suspended license, and she claims she didn't know it was still suspended. Her personal assistant evidently told her it was okay to drive after 30 days, and 30 days had passed. She fired him Saturday.

(That's a rough job, too. When your livelihood depends entirely on one individual and keeping them happy, you're damned almost no matter what you do: Say, "no," and you're fired. Say "yes," and you keep your job until something goes wrong based on that advice, and then you're fired.)

She's automatically a target based partly on who she is and partly because she drives around in this huge Bentley that's hard to miss.

(*BTW, her DUI was slightly dubious. According to record, she measured a BAC of 0.08, which is the minimum for a DUI charge and conviction. She claimed she had one drink and hadn't eaten all day, and with her body weight, her story might have been true.)

I think she's mostly guilty of wanting to drive her damn Bentley when she can well afford to sit in the back seat and have somebody else drive it. That would save her future tickets and also provide a job for one more person. It's a win-win.

WB2WIK/6

wa8rti

05-07-2007, 10:36 PM

Yea poor baby fired her publicist saying it was his fault-she claims he never informed her that her license was suspended. #What a crock!!! #Where were her lawyers-seems to me it would be their job to let their client know about such a legal action and not relay it thru a 3rd party. Personnal responsibility has no meaning to Ms Hilton. If you have enought green you can always find someone else to blame.

n2ize

05-07-2007, 11:35 PM

Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ May 07 2007,13:18)]Regarding Paris, she is appealing the sentence already.

However assuming that doesn't work, she'll have to appear at the county jail the first week of June.

My guess is she'll do about four days of hard time...maybe.

Remember, virtually everybody in L.A. gets their jail sentence reduced to 50% of what was ordered, due to overcrowded jails. #That would make it 22-1/2 days. #Then, most traffic offenders get that reduced again. #This conviction was not based on multiple DUIs*. #It was based on driving with a suspended license, and she claims she didn't know it was still suspended. #Her personal assistant evidently told her it was okay to drive after 30 days, and 30 days had passed. #She fired him Saturday.

(That's a rough job, too. #When your livelihood depends entirely on one individual and keeping them happy, you're damned almost no matter what you do: Say, "no," and you're fired. #Say "yes," and you keep your job until something goes wrong based on that advice, and then you're fired.)

She's automatically a target based partly on who she is and partly because she drives around in this huge Bentley that's hard to miss.

I think she's mostly guilty of wanting to drive her damn Bentley when she can well afford to sit in the back seat and have somebody else drive it. #That would save her future tickets and also provide a job for one more person. #It's a win-win.

WB2WIK/6
Quote[/b] ]
(*BTW, her DUI was slightly dubious. #According to record, she measured a BAC of 0.08, which is the minimum for a DUI charge and conviction. #She claimed she had one drink and hadn't eaten all day, and with her body weight, her story might have been true.)

If Hilton willfully and deliberatelt drove drunk then she should be locked in prison under the most severe conditions for life.

However, the statement about sheds a slightly different light on things. Maybe her story is true. Let's not forget the recent Duke boys case. Everyone had the Duke boys ready to serve hard time. Everyone decided they were guilty. Then suddenly we learned otherwise. It was the police that needed to be kept in check.

Perhaps there is a similar mechanism at work here. Overly zealous cops, eager prosecutor, judge, high profile case ?? There may be another side to the story. Who knows...

KA8NCR

05-08-2007, 12:40 AM

Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ May 07 2007,05:30)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 06 2007,05:53)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 04 2007,18:43)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 03 2007,20:30)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 04 2007,17:03)]She's going to jail and suddenly I feel so much safer. Jesus what a joke.

Link (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-hilton5may05,1,6128519.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&track=crosspromo)
Paris Hilton is the poster child of why this country needs the estate tax.
The estate tax is nothing more than double taxation. It should be eliminated.
It needs to be revised, but it does not need to be eliminated.

The intent of the originators is to prevent a landed aristocracy from forming and giving the same problems that the nobility caused in Europe. Namely, they'd have nothing to do but run around and cause problems. It also is targeting privilege by birthright, something that the founding fathers expressly learned was a major factor of Western European corruption.

The estate tax causes the uber-wealthy to get especially philanthropic as they age. They don't want it going to the government where they have NO say in what is done with the money, so they form endowments where they DO have a say. The result is the same; public good while keeping the wealthy from forming long lines of a privileged aristocracy.

It does need to change, however. Just like the AMT is sweeping in the middle class, the estate tax has long been causing small family businesses and larger family farms to have to be sold in order to pay the estate taxes. That's wrong. But in the case of people like Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, the Hilton's, there is nothing wrong with encouraging them to dispose of their money as they see fit before their deaths. Carnegie, Libbey, Rockefeller; they all went through it.

When Warren Buffet sees and agrees to the estate tax, then you know there is merit.
I disagree...
I do not belive it is any of the governments bussiness what I do with the money I earn. It is redistribution of wealth. They tax it when you make it and they tax it when you die. They also tax it when you spend it.
We need a change.

http://www.fairtax.org/
So you don't mind a bunch of people running around, just like Paris Hilton, who have absolutely no real skills but have exceedingly vast powers because of their money? Really, do you want people like her calling the shots? Because that is what will happen as wealth moves toward the already wealthy.

It *is* redistribution of wealth, that is the point. It's intended to keep power and wealth from pooling in small distinct circles. We've seen how well that works out in history; see Goya's painting of Family of Charles IV as a prime example of why the estate tax is necessary.

gw4rcm

05-08-2007, 12:51 AM

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 08 2007,01:40)].

#

So you don't mind a bunch of people running around, just like Paris Hilton, who have absolutely no real skills but have exceedingly vast powers because of their money? # Really, do you want people like her calling the shots? #Because that is what will happen as wealth moves toward the already wealthy
Just like our Maj but sexier
RCM

kf6rdn

05-08-2007, 04:12 AM

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 07 2007,16:40)]Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ May 07 2007,05:30)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 06 2007,05:53)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 04 2007,18:43)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 03 2007,20:30)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 04 2007,17:03)]She's going to jail and suddenly I feel so much safer. Jesus what a joke.

Link (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-hilton5may05,1,6128519.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&track=crosspromo)
Paris Hilton is the poster child of why this country needs the estate tax.
The estate tax is nothing more than double taxation. It should be eliminated.
It needs to be revised, but it does not need to be eliminated.

The intent of the originators is to prevent a landed aristocracy from forming and giving the same problems that the nobility caused in Europe. Namely, they'd have nothing to do but run around and cause problems. It also is targeting privilege by birthright, something that the founding fathers expressly learned was a major factor of Western European corruption.

The estate tax causes the uber-wealthy to get especially philanthropic as they age. They don't want it going to the government where they have NO say in what is done with the money, so they form endowments where they DO have a say. The result is the same; public good while keeping the wealthy from forming long lines of a privileged aristocracy.

It does need to change, however. Just like the AMT is sweeping in the middle class, the estate tax has long been causing small family businesses and larger family farms to have to be sold in order to pay the estate taxes. That's wrong. But in the case of people like Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, the Hilton's, there is nothing wrong with encouraging them to dispose of their money as they see fit before their deaths. Carnegie, Libbey, Rockefeller; they all went through it.

When Warren Buffet sees and agrees to the estate tax, then you know there is merit.
I disagree...
I do not belive it is any of the governments bussiness what I do with the money I earn. It is redistribution of wealth. They tax it when you make it and they tax it when you die. They also tax it when you spend it.
We need a change.

http://www.fairtax.org/
So you don't mind a bunch of people running around, just like Paris Hilton, who have absolutely no real skills but have exceedingly vast powers because of their money? Really, do you want people like her calling the shots? Because that is what will happen as wealth moves toward the already wealthy.

It *is* redistribution of wealth, that is the point. It's intended to keep power and wealth from pooling in small distinct circles. We've seen how well that works out in history; see Goya's painting of Family of Charles IV as a prime example of why the estate tax is necessary.
I dont think that's really on tpic but as long as you mention it..

Horsecrap! If I make enough money that I can make my kids life easier, it's MY money that I ALREADY paid tax on! Why should some gubmint slob take more of it?

Sheesh, I dont understand that stealing money in the name of "taxes" and wealth redistribution attitude people have, considering the really filthy rich probably manage to "invest" enough gifts to make it a moot point, but someone that works hard, socks some away gets screwed.

kd7msc

05-08-2007, 06:41 AM

She will just bust out one of these.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d188/jon-e-blaze2/a38ad78f.gif[/IMG]
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

w2amr

05-08-2007, 07:48 AM

On the radio yesterday they were referring to her as a "Celebretard"
She really does seem to be as dumb as a brick.

KC0VWU

05-08-2007, 07:50 AM

Quote[/b] (w2amr @ May 07 2007,02:48)]On the radio yesterday they were referring to her as a "Celebretard"
She really does seem to be as dumb as a brick.
I don't think she is as dumb as people think. Hell, she makes millions of dollars a year pretty much doing nothing, she couldn't be too stupid.

n2nh

05-08-2007, 08:59 AM

Don't have to be smart when you're old man thinks you can do no wrong and has the bux to back it up.

Quote[/b] ]You're a rich girl, and you've gone too far
'Cause you know it don't matter anyway
You can rely on the old man's money
You can rely on the old man's money

k5xit

05-08-2007, 01:05 PM

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 08 2007,00:50)]Quote[/b] (w2amr @ May 07 2007,02:48)]On the radio yesterday they were referring to her as a #"Celebretard"
She really does seem to be as dumb as a brick.
I don't think she is as dumb as people think. Hell, she makes millions of dollars a year pretty much doing nothing, she couldn't be too stupid.
You are not suggesting that she had anyting to do with Conrad's business are you? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

n2ize

05-08-2007, 02:43 PM

Paris Hilton has the advantage of being rich, young, "beautiful" (I think she;s a bit plain). Most men would be willing to take their shirts off for her.

AC0H

05-08-2007, 04:45 PM

Quote[/b] (wa8rti @ May 07 2007,17:36)]Yea poor baby fired her publicist saying it was his fault-she claims he never informed her that her license was suspended. What a crock!!! Where were her lawyers-seems to me it would be their job to let their client know about such a legal action and not relay it thru a 3rd party. Personnal responsibility has no meaning to Ms Hilton. If you have enought green you can always find someone else to blame.
Yep, despite the court having a copy of the paperwork she signed the last time she got caught driving while suspended. I believe they also found the original in the glovey of the Bentley after they towed it.

BTW, heard this morning that "Mom" has appealed to the governator on her dumb ass daughters behalf hoping Arnold will just make it all go away.

He hadn't better!

w3scm

05-08-2007, 06:27 PM

IZE, we finally are in full harmony on a matter of judgment: I don't think she's so great-looking, either.

Also couldn't care less if she gets locked up. Hard to have any sympathy for someone like that.

ac4ut

05-08-2007, 06:48 PM

I am in full agreement with whoever stated they did not give a flying rat's butt about her or her escapades.

KD6NIG

05-08-2007, 07:19 PM

Quote[/b] (ac4ut @ May 08 2007,11:48)]I am in full agreement with whoever stated they did not give a flying rat's butt about her or her escapades.
I think the proper way to put that would be, if you or I did the crimes aforementioned, we'd be lucky to make the police blotter in the local paper.

And you can bet we'd serve whatever sentence we were given, and we would like it, lest we want to be in jail longer or have any charges added.

We definetely wouldn't have the assistance of an expensive attorney either, I'm betting.

But, I'm also betting that the conditions of our probation from the prior offense would have been spelled out pretty clearly, and a document stating same would also have been provided.

She shouldn't get off the hook because she was told something by a publicist or assistant or whatever. I'm sure she was required to at least touch the agreement for a second when she signed it.

We'll see what happens. I don't personally care about it beyond the fact that she should get the same treatment as everyone else. The fact that its likely she won't is what annoys me. Do the crime, do the time. Rich or poor, famous or not.

ab8ma

05-08-2007, 07:20 PM

I thought that Paris Hilton was a hotel in France.

KA8NCR

05-08-2007, 08:52 PM

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ May 07 2007,21:12)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 07 2007,16:40)]Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ May 07 2007,05:30)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 06 2007,05:53)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 04 2007,18:43)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 03 2007,20:30)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 04 2007,17:03)]She's going to jail and suddenly I feel so much safer. Jesus what a joke.

Link (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-hilton5may05,1,6128519.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews&track=crosspromo)
Paris Hilton is the poster child of why this country needs the estate tax.
The estate tax is nothing more than double taxation. It should be eliminated.
It needs to be revised, but it does not need to be eliminated.

The intent of the originators is to prevent a landed aristocracy from forming and giving the same problems that the nobility caused in Europe. Namely, they'd have nothing to do but run around and cause problems. It also is targeting privilege by birthright, something that the founding fathers expressly learned was a major factor of Western European corruption.

The estate tax causes the uber-wealthy to get especially philanthropic as they age. They don't want it going to the government where they have NO say in what is done with the money, so they form endowments where they DO have a say. The result is the same; public good while keeping the wealthy from forming long lines of a privileged aristocracy.

It does need to change, however. Just like the AMT is sweeping in the middle class, the estate tax has long been causing small family businesses and larger family farms to have to be sold in order to pay the estate taxes. That's wrong. But in the case of people like Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, the Hilton's, there is nothing wrong with encouraging them to dispose of their money as they see fit before their deaths. Carnegie, Libbey, Rockefeller; they all went through it.

When Warren Buffet sees and agrees to the estate tax, then you know there is merit.
I disagree...
I do not belive it is any of the governments bussiness what I do with the money I earn. It is redistribution of wealth. They tax it when you make it and they tax it when you die. They also tax it when you spend it.
We need a change.

http://www.fairtax.org/
So you don't mind a bunch of people running around, just like Paris Hilton, who have absolutely no real skills but have exceedingly vast powers because of their money? Really, do you want people like her calling the shots? Because that is what will happen as wealth moves toward the already wealthy.

It *is* redistribution of wealth, that is the point. It's intended to keep power and wealth from pooling in small distinct circles. We've seen how well that works out in history; see Goya's painting of Family of Charles IV as a prime example of why the estate tax is necessary.
I dont think that's really on tpic but as long as you mention it..

Horsecrap! If I make enough money that I can make my kids life easier, it's MY money that I ALREADY paid tax on! Why should some gubmint slob take more of it?

Sheesh, I dont understand that stealing money in the name of "taxes" and wealth redistribution attitude people have, considering the really filthy rich probably manage to "invest" enough gifts to make it a moot point, but someone that works hard, socks some away gets screwed.
Missing the point yet again.

Read this very carefully; the estate tax is intended to prevent a new (landed) aristocracy from taking hold in this country. What do you think happens when a handful of families control vast amounts of the nation's wealth?

It's not about you and I, it wasn't ever about what would be considered people with a few million dollars, it's about the equivalent of today's multi-billionaires.

KF0RT

05-08-2007, 10:44 PM

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 08 2007,14:52)]It's not about you and I, it wasn't ever about what would be considered people with a few million dollars, it's about the equivalent of today's multi-billionaires.
The problem is, the estate tax laws don't reflect this. If it takes a billion dollars to create such an aristocracy, then all estates smaller than a billion dollars should be tax exempt.

The successful family today who has $5 million to pass on to heirs is in no danger of creating this "problem," yet the bulk of their estate is taxed as if they were Waltons.

The tax laws have not kept up with the meaning of wealth (but only when it benefits government coffers).

73, Rob

wa4brl

05-09-2007, 03:15 AM

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ May 08 2007,17:44)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 08 2007,14:52)]It's not about you and I, it wasn't ever about what would be considered people with a few million dollars, it's about the equivalent of today's multi-billionaires.
The problem is, the estate tax laws don't reflect this. #If it takes a billion dollars to create such an aristocracy, then all estates smaller than a billion dollars should be tax exempt.

The successful family today who has $5 million to pass on to heirs is in no danger of creating this "problem," yet the bulk of their estate is taxed as if they were Waltons.

The tax laws have not kept up with the meaning of wealth (but only when it benefits government coffers).

73, Rob
OK, now I'm confused again. #Are John-Boy and Jim-Bob happy or upset about this?

(Edited to add emphasis)

AC4BB

05-09-2007, 03:47 AM

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ May 03 2007,18:08)]Quote[/b] (K7JBQ @ May 03 2007,19:05)]It was of course big news out here in SoCal.

Now, kindly explain why she should not go to jail.

73,
Bill
Because the jails are overflowing as it is and I think the prosecutor here is just trying to make a name for himself. I'm not convinced that the average citizen would have gotten the same penalty.
Well, According to the New Guiness book of world records, Paris Hilton,now is listed as "The World's most overated Celeb" I agree.

n6hcm

05-09-2007, 06:36 AM

Free Paris! (http://www.freeparis.org/)

only in america ...

w5klb

05-09-2007, 08:06 AM

"You're a rich girl, and you've gone too far
'Cause you know it don't matter anyway
You can rely on the old man's money
You can rely on the old man's money
It's a (#)itch girl but it's gone too far
'Cause you know it don't matter anyway
Say money but it won't get you too far,
Get you too far"

For some reason, when I think of Paris Hilton, I keep thinking of these lyrics by Hall and Oats. Although they were written before Paris was born, it seems these lyrics fit Paris to a tee.

I hope Paris enjoys the accomodations in her "suite" in jail. Maybe she'll get a clue. We can only hope.

Mama had a real oversight in Paris's upbringing.

N5NPO

05-09-2007, 11:19 AM

Maybe she should be required to wear a sandwich board sign in front of a Wa-Mart saying something about her crime....
Any thoughts?

KF0RT

05-09-2007, 12:07 PM

Quote[/b] (wa4brl @ May 08 2007,21:15)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ May 08 2007,17:44)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 08 2007,14:52)]It's not about you and I, it wasn't ever about what would be considered people with a few million dollars, it's about the equivalent of today's multi-billionaires.
The problem is, the estate tax laws don't reflect this. If it takes a billion dollars to create such an aristocracy, then all estates smaller than a billion dollars should be tax exempt.

The successful family today who has $5 million to pass on to heirs is in no danger of creating this "problem," yet the bulk of their estate is taxed as if they were Waltons.

The tax laws have not kept up with the meaning of wealth (but only when it benefits government coffers).

73, Rob
OK, now I'm confused again. Are John-Boy and Jim-Bob happy or upset about this?

(Edited to add emphasis)
I was thinking Wal-Mart, as opposed to Little House. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73, Rob

KF0RT

05-09-2007, 12:08 PM

Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ May 09 2007,05:19)]Maybe she should be required to wear a sandwich board sign in front of a Wa-Mart saying something about her crime....
Any thoughts?
I think we could send her on a date with any QRZ member and call it even. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

73, Rob

W4HAY

05-09-2007, 12:17 PM

It's really irritating that the mass media insists on rubbing PH and her pop-tart pals in our face.

An arrogant, spoiled child living off of her father' money, she's no better than the winos, crack-heads and other scum that drain societies' resources.

kg4kww

05-09-2007, 01:46 PM

How cares. Anna Nicole Smith is more important.

AC0H

05-09-2007, 02:00 PM

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ May 08 2007,17:44)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 08 2007,14:52)]It's not about you and I, it wasn't ever about what would be considered people with a few million dollars, it's about the equivalent of today's multi-billionaires.
The problem is, the estate tax laws don't reflect this. If it takes a billion dollars to create such an aristocracy, then all estates smaller than a billion dollars should be tax exempt.

The successful family today who has $5 million to pass on to heirs is in no danger of creating this "problem," yet the bulk of their estate is taxed as if they were Waltons.

The tax laws have not kept up with the meaning of wealth (but only when it benefits government coffers).

73, Rob
The "landed aristocracy" argument is ridiculous on it's face.
It gets trotted out every time the socialists among us try to defend the death tax.

Using NCR's argument my uncle the farmer is "landed aristocracy". 1200 acres of Iowa farm land is worth about $4.2M today. Add another $1M or so in equipment and infrastructure. He probably clears less than NCR does every year.

AB8RU

05-10-2007, 01:05 AM

Michigan has tough drunk driver laws

One ) Cop Arrests person DUIL

Two) All data is ran regardless

Three ) all proceedures and after court conviction

Four) Prison time Oh yeah drivers license is cut with scissors and held by officer.

Five) 3 strike policy Gets Put in State Prison I beleive.

Six) Person pays huge fees to get it back .

BTW I will share this..... #I watched someone try to duck tape her license fed me a story that it broke # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

LOL #They get to walk or find a cheap bike to ride or if they are lucky #City or County Transit system.

also Costs Beyond imagination.

and the Insurance Company can choose to dump them or charge a large fee as high libility risk.

Oh yeah did I mention the drunk tank ? #in Michigan one floor drain no china toilet seat. #Disinfectant and HOT water down the hole in the Am after all Prisoners are processed. #and Prisoner in Charge gets to mop it all Body Fluids etc.. #

Showers are really cool 2 system control Prisoner either chooses to shower or get showered.

( all the stuff I learned in a Boy Scout Tour ! )

Well anything else is probably not as rigorous as Department of Corrections County Lock Up.

ka5piu

05-10-2007, 05:09 AM

Hello.

In Texas, we HAD the same system.
Cop cuts license, however there is no conviction.
Guy passed the actual BAL test.
Guy takes this case all the way, including a lawsuit against the cop, and wins his case in federal court.
Federal court takes cops house.
The arresting officer has to make a judgement call and if he is wrong can be held liable.
The person arrested is a Mexican national who works in the Consulate.

wv6z

05-10-2007, 07:15 AM

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ May 08 2007,07:46)]How cares. Anna Nicole Smith is more important.
With one’s heart Greggy Pooh, with one’s heart.

n2ize

05-10-2007, 07:48 AM

Quote[/b] (W4HAY @ May 09 2007,05:17)]It's really irritating that the mass media insists on rubbing PH and her pop-tart pals in our face.

An arrogant, spoiled child living off of her father' money, she's no better than the winos, crack-heads and other scum that drain societies' resources.
And why prejudge and pass judgement on people ? Why are wino's scum ? Many years ago there was a wino who used to hang out not far from where I worked. I would often pass him on lunch breaks. Sometimes I would stop and talk with him for a while. He was actually a rather knowledgeable and intelligent man, quite well versed in many subjects and could always fill you in on every detail of what was going on in the neighborhood and was always very polite with everyone. It was actually kind of sad to see such a person wasting away on cheap wine but he had an affliction called alcohol addiction. I would hardle call him "scum". I have not known any "crak heads" but I would assume there are probably some who are similar.

Paris Hilton is afflicted with a sense of being very rich and spiled, thinking that money absolves her of all responsibilities. Money may buy her out of a lot of situations but we can ony hope that someday soon she'll wake to the reality that being rich does not grant her freedom from personal responsibility.