Where will the Outlaws and Bandits end up?

[K4KWH]

In tracking the issue of illegal radio operators who often come from the area of 27 MHZ, I predicted that not only would they filch 10 Meters, but given time, they would creep lower and lower until our 12 Meter band is rife with interference. #The truck drivers are STILL on 10 Meters (Mostly I hear them on either 28.085 or 28.105 AM), but they are now on 26 MHZ down below CB. #While the 10 Meter activity is still there, but lessened, perhaps, due to to the lower MUF so we don't hear their long distance jabber, they have taken more and more to going DOWN instead of UP, it seems. #So, you would say, "Great, if they aren't on 10 Meters, it ain't my business" AND you would be right------------partially. #They are still our business if they are creating interference to 10 Meters. #So what happens when they "arrive" on 12 Meters, confidently announcing to their friends, "This h'yar's our new trucker's 'channel' thar"? Is it our business then?

This is simply an opinion, but I have felt that IF the activity of bandit operators was/is ignored, we would find them eventually down on 24 MHZ, then 18, then 14--even 7 MHZ. #Already some of them boast of their "new freeband" down around 6600 KHZ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif # Some of us poo poo the idea saying that the CB equipment of today, nor the antennas will cover such wide ranges---and that is correct. # Maybe. Maybe not! #

I first started hearing trucks down around 26.755 MHZ when I read somewhere that this was one of the "truckers' channels. Then there is "the Yellow Freight channel" (NO lie!) on 26.735 MHZ, and another very popular one is 26.105 MHZ--all on AM. #This indicates, to me, a trend. One that will find these illegal people down on 24 MHZ and beyond! #It is not outside comprehension to suggest that the illicit manufactures of so-called "10 Meter 'Amateur'" radios (the ones with the chrome faces and the "bands' of 'channels') will one day rise to the occasion and provide a product with which to facilitate the theft of our bands with ever MORE "bands" of stinkin' channels and antennas to match!! #

People today only think of *I*, *ME* and *MYSELF*. #"*I* gots these h'yar 'rah'ts' to tawk on them thar channels cuz ah'm this h'yar 'Mer-kin citee-zen"! We don't NEED no licenses because we wuz baw-n in the US of A and therefore we DESERVE it!

Now, again, this is simply an opinion. But finding these illegal operators ever lower and lower in the spectrum seems to indicate a downward trend that ONE DAY (it will take some time) we will be SHARING 12 Meters and beyond with the bandits! #Tan Fer thar? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

73

[N5LRZ]

Well document, time, place, frequency, make a copy of the transmission and try to get a on tape the truck line that they drive for.

Forward it to the FCC Enforcement Division.

IF you will check the ARRL Web Site you will see in the enforcement letters that the FCC HAS SITED several trucking companies with possible very very large fines because their truck drivers used illegal frequencies.

Independant drivers are of course another matter entirely. A radio that moves almost constantly is very difficult to locate unless the offender goes completely stupid and gives his name and address.

N5LRZ

[ai4ep]

...problem is...some of their kids / grandkids know something about computers, come here and read all about what daddy & " paw paw " the trucker are up to ...and go warn them that folks might be JUST listening to their every word. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[ai4ep]

It does make you wonder when a woman is holding her new born child and softly whispers in his ear " some day, you can be a truck driver, just like your daddy " !! :rock:

[KI4ITV]

If they are smart, they will stay out of the ham bands. We are the only group that police themselves, so we have many more ears watching what is going on in our territory. To me, freebanding would be using frequencies that are either under-utilized or used by people with little knowledge of radio law.
Many freebanders have discovered that you can open up ham rigs, so being confined to what a CB can cover (opened up) is a non-issue.
Of course, my whole premise requires some calculated and intelligently formed thought on the part of the freebanders, so, there ya' go.
Also, if they wanted to talk to others, they would have to have frequencies that were frequented by other freebanders.

[k2gsp]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 01 2007,17:33)]It does make you wonder when a woman is holding her #new born child and softly whispers in his ear " some day, you can be a truck driver, just like your daddy " #!! # #:rock:
If it weren't for truck drivers you wouldn't have a radio to talk on or a computer to post that kind of remark on.

[KI4ITV]

Robert, I think you caught one. Now, reel it in slow and don't leave too much slack in the line or you'll lose him.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

BTW, Robert enjoys trolling more than most.

[W5HTW]

Freebanders have been appearing in the 25 mhz range for some years now. Not sure if truckers are included in that. Freebanders also operate just below 40 meters, around 6960 or so.

I pay no attention to them. Nothing I can do. But if they come into the ham bands, then I do take notice. I will make recordings and formal complaints to the FCC.

Or on 28.075 I have been known to call long 20 wpm CQs until I get someone riled up about the "bleeping beepers." And that has happened some times, and they are forced to move away.

Ed

[K8YZK]

Well it has already happened, but it is not all truckers.

Listen to Midcars,Eastcars, or any of the nets like that and hear all the truckers on it.

I have 2 son's who are truckers, they use their cb for listening for traffic problems other then that, they have nothing for it. One is also a ham and carrys a 2 meter rig with him. Oh they do use the cb if necessary for an emergency when the 2 meter doesn't make it to a repeater or the cellphone is out of range.

So those that put down truckers, remember like another said, your radio's are shipped by trucks, the gas you use, and the food you eat. Give them some respect, if not grow your own food, and walk to work.

Oh back to the original part of this threat. As the cycle gets better it will happen more. Tape/log and id who you can and send it to the FCC.

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ May 02 2007,16:33)]Now, again, this is simply an opinion. But finding these illegal operators ever lower and lower in the spectrum seems to indicate a downward trend that ONE DAY (it will take some time) we will be SHARING 12 Meters and beyond with the bandits! Tan Fer thar? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

73
Ahhh cry me a river.

[ai4ep]

sxc---well, you have my home address.

any move forward or backward from here on is yours.

" He who is without sin shall cast the first stone " .

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif why did i use THAT icon over all the others ?

[K4KWH]

Quote[/b] (K8YZK @ May 02 2007,17:29)]Well it has already happened, but it is not all truckers.

Listen to Midcars,Eastcars, or any of the nets like that and hear all the truckers on it.

I have 2 son's who are truckers, they use their cb for listening for traffic problems other then that, they have nothing for it. One is also a ham and carrys a 2 meter rig with him. Oh they do use the cb if necessary for an emergency when the 2 meter doesn't make it to a repeater or the cellphone is out of range.

So those that put down truckers, remember like another said, your radio's are shipped by trucks, the gas you use, and the food you eat. Give them some respect, if not grow your own food, and walk to work.

Oh back to the original part of this threat. As the cycle gets better it will happen more. Tape/log and id who you can and send it to the FCC.
It isn't ABOUT "truckers"; it just so happens that the majority of people one HEARS filching the Amateur bands are truckers. #ONLY THE ONES BREAKING THE LAW are being noticed. #However, some of us can't seem to separate the ILLEGAL folks from the LEGAL ones, and they quickly circle their wagons (How DARE anybody say ANYTHING about this group of people! Why they are ALL just the mostest, nicest, bestest people in the world) It's only the ones actually breaking the law getting hit! It ain't ABOUT "truckers"--just the ILLEGAL ones!!!!!!!

I was actually VERY disappointed at the lack of response from hams when the 10 Meter issue first came to the forefront. #*IF* we had done a little more footwork with our HF mobiles, I am sure these illegals #would've gotten the message a lot quicker! #But so many of us whined, complained about what "somebody else WASN'T doing", and continued flipping the TV channels from our comfortable couches, I was surprised that no more hams responded to the call for us to get out there, document and record this illegal activity.

I've felt all along that this should've been nipped long ago and that, yes, FCC should do much more much sooner!!! #Like BANNING illegal radios from commercial trucks just like the radar detectors. #Get caught at a scale or random DOT check, BIG fine and confiscation. Let the states revenue-share the fines. #US law already states under the DOT regs that trucks must comply with ALL Federal and State laws in order to engage in interstate commerce. Not much more needed to just BAN the illegal radios from the trucks and let the DOT guys get some of the bounty. The drivers would get the idea real quick! Why DON"T they? #ALL CB operators have the same privilege as anybody else--a 4 watt, 40 channel unmolested CB set with no modifications. Period. #Seems we are now "skeered" of our own shadow! I HAVE heard that the FEDS are looking at doing this. If so, I wish they would hurry and bust the Hades out of 'em!!!!

It kinda seems like the immigration thing. #Have we succumbed to relativism where laws no longer are enforced and the nation is paralyzed with confusion and inability to act forthrightly to do what's RIGHT?

Sure would like to see these people STOPPED from filching our bands--I don't CARE WHO it is, trucker, butcher, baker, or candlestick maker!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

73

[K4KWH]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 02 2007,16:27)]...problem is...some of their kids / grandkids know something about computers, come here and read all about what daddy & " paw paw " the trucker are up to ...and go warn them that folks might be JUST listening to their every word. # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
But wouldn't that be a GOOD thing? If they know that the hams are lying in wait for them to open their mouth on 10 meters, it might keep 'em quiet, or make 'em go back down on 27 MHZ WHERE THEY BELONG!!

73

[ai4ep]

...so it might appear that the DOT is not doing their job ?

Is not the DOT responsible for enforcing ANY & ALL Federal and State laws , which regard to the trucking industry ? Does that NOT cover ANY type / kind of communication devices in use ( hooked up ) IN the vehicle ?

Folks reading these posts and not saying a word need to know...now....and there are a bunch out there...just reading and learning, and never posting a word. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ( notice different icon than in previous post )

[ai4ep]

those innocent little children ( 18 and under ) might just accidently rat on po' ol' daddy with his illegal radio, or "paw paw " with his illegal radio.

out of the mouths of babies

[KM5FL]

Quote[/b] (KI4ITV @ May 02 2007,18:11)]Robert, I think you caught one. #Now, reel it in slow and don't leave too much slack in the line or you'll lose him.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

BTW, #Robert enjoys trolling more than most.
The top three reasons why Robert enjoys trolling more than most:

(1) It helps tremendously with his post count.

(2) It ups his post count.

(3) It adds to his post count...

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KM5FL

[ai4ep]

5fl --- and if you werent so busy ( I wont tell ) then you could make more posts.

[KC9JIQ]

on HF there has always been pirate radio, why does everyone pick on the truckers on 10m?

We got more problems on the low bands, not from truckers, but from worldwide Pirate radio.

[KM5FL]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 02 2007,19:46)]5fl --- and if you werent so busy ( I wont tell ) then you could make more posts.
I don't know about the busy part, and neither do you. So there's nothing you can "tell". But one thing I do know.. (Doing my best to emulate/imitate your style)... If I were more able to understand the point/subject/reason to/of/for your posts, I could most certainly post more responses to your posts/trolls/replies...

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KM5FL

[ai4ep]

....thanks for the information. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[N3ATS]

He constantly complains about them rogue CB'ers, but yet he hangs out on a freebander forum where he sells his antennas. It's good for his business so he turns the other cheek.

I think his ol' lady done runned off with a truck driver.

Such angst.

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ May 02 2007,23:33)]He constantly complains about them rogue CB'ers, but yet he hangs out on a freebander forum where he sells his antennas. It's good for his business so he turns the other cheek.

I think his ol' lady done runned off with a truck driver.

Such angst.
It's always like that, You don't imagine the recordings of some folks I have from around 27820 LSB, who have a very recognizable voice and who even sometimes slip a call sign and then get on the ham bands or here on QRZ and bitch about the freebanders.

It's a real laugh http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[VE7NOT]

Who knows someday all you might hear on 10m will be:

"CAAAANNNDYYY CAAAANNNE... CAAAANNNDYYY CAAAANNNE..... ANYBODY KNOW CANDY CANE?" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

NOT

[w7lpn]

I personally knew a free bander who violated blatently for years until he got cocky and comfortable bragging about talking to Hawaii on 27.505 and others on 26.205 this was common bractice for him, then a local band enforcer recorded him, got his name, met him, wrote down his lisence plate numer, let him brag about his President Lincoln and the Hy-Drive 'Linear. He got all his radios, 4 or 5 extra channel types confiscated, and a healthy fine, too. He was a repeat offender so the judge threw it at him.

[N3ATS]

A judge? He went before a judge for an FCC violation? How did he manage to get that privilege?

[ku4gw]

Almost 30 years ago I heard truckers below the CB band. They actually have clubs on 26.810 and 26.750, called the ITA Independent Truckers of America(26.810) and UFH United Furniture Haulers(26.750) that operate there every day. When I was only 16 years old there was a CB repair shop near my home and I hung out there a lot and heard these guys talking about it. The ITA truckers burn a small blue light, I think it's blue, in their windshields so other ITA members recognize them if they meet them on the road. They used to burn white lights instead until the NC State Troopers made them stop.It is definitely no surprise that they're coming on down the bands,what with all the CB shops that sell daily the illegal import radios that they openly display on the shelves in their CB/Truck Stops. Unless the FCC is legally blind I'm sure they must have seen them. I've seen a few enforcement actions lately against radio shops selling these import radios, but not a drop in the bucket to as many shops that sell them. They have Band switches on the radios labeled A,B, C, D, etc and the reason so many end up on 28.045 talking is that if they're on CB channel 19 and switch to Band D, they're instantly on 28.045 Mhz. Many of them are not even aware that the radios are illegal, so they sell like hotcakes.There in lies the problem. Mmmmmm, I wonder how they get so many in the country to sell if they're illegal? Maybe somebody is getting their pockets lined for looking the other way.

[WA9SVD]

Part of the problem is lack of enforcement. For a number of years, the FCC (by it's own admission) neglected enforcement, until Riley Hollingsworth appeared on the scene. Unfortunately, he's only one person, with a small staff, and a small budget. The Enforcement Bureau can only do so much at one time. And unfortunately, that means enforcement is slow. There may be a lag time of a year or more between issuing a citation for illegal sales of equipment to the time a forfeiture is imposed; if a shop sells only two pieces of equipment on the banned list, that's over 700 more (potentially) illegal operators on the air from one shop or truck stop alone. Multiply that by however many truck stops (that cross the line and sell banned equipment) and "CB" shops that sell the banned radios (and not ALL shops or truck stops sell banned equipment; many ARE legitimate and only deal in a legal manner) and you can see the problem.
There are always "smugglers" that will find a way to obtain radios on the banned list; it's difficult to expect Customs agents to know the difference between a shipment of banned radios and an entire shipping container of "10 Meter Amateur radios.")
If the Enforcement Bureau were able to exact swift and severe retribution for the illegal marketing (sale and importation for sale) the problem would be much less severe. As it is, the chance of getting caught by the FCC is far too small, and the profit often outweighs the potential monetary forfeiture. (But not always; some forfeitures DO get pretty costly, such as the recent Ramko decision.) Unfortunately, the enforcement actions are not frequent enough to make a dent in the number of illegal users, and individual prosecution is rare, particularly for illegal operators who operate in a mobile environment.

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif another problem is the potential truck driver / male ego ---

Steve wants to keep up with FRED & LEROY, with their Kenworth trucks and MACK trucks, etc, and he wants to have a cb radio like they have ...cause he thinks if they can have one of them GALAXY / RANGER / VOYAGER / COBRA #radios with those a - b - c - d #(etc ) channel knobs #on the front , why cant he ?
Plus he already knows that IF he gets stopped by the DOT, that they wont even look at the radio ( busy paying attention to log books, tire thread, mud flaps, brakes,lights, #etc ). # They also know that the FCC aint gonna take away their precious wittle radio system. #

They really could NOT care less of who or what they may interfere with, for they are almighty high and mighty truck drivers !!...gonna act dumb and ignorant every chance they get, and some times they are NOT acting, either...and even IF they DO actually get in an accident, the truck body and frame will protect the cab of that truck to where that, if they get any injury, it might be a broken painted fingernail.

And so far as me being reliant on 18 wheelers to get groceries and gasoline, when was the last time that wal - mart moved out of a town...you can buy groceries, goodies and even tires, and gasoline right there in one small #(huge ) parking lot, open 24 / 7 for MY shopping convenience....and with the way the world of amateur radio is going, it wont be long before we can buy amateur radios, amplifiers, etc AT wal - mart. #Wont that be great ? # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K4KWH]

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ May 02 2007,20:33)]He constantly complains about them rogue CB'ers, but yet he hangs out on a freebander forum where he sells his antennas. #It's good for his business so he turns the other cheek.

I think his ol' lady done runned off with a truck driver. #

Such angst.
Once again, "Sir", THAT FORUM IS RUN BY A HAM THAT POSTS HERE AS WELL. #IT IS NOT A "CB" FORUM! *I* did not ask for it to be placed there, nor have I "sold" one single item as a result of that having been put there. That link leads to qsl.net. And I will inform you that I will place whatever ads I wish to place WHERE I choose. *I* have done absolutely NOTHING wrong either by the placement of said link, or by the sale of any product or item that may be there. #How many antennas, small parts, meters, even ham TRANSMITTERS have been sold to CB operators to be illegally placed on 11 Meters by <u>OTHERWISE LAW-ABIDING HAMS? TELL ME, MISTER, WHAT DID THE DEALERS OF THESE RADIOS DO? ARE YOU GOING TO RAIL AT THEM THE WAY YOU WORRY ABOUT ME SELLING AN ANTENNA OR TWO?
</u>THE LAST TIME I HEARD, ANTENNAS ARE *NOT* ILLEGAL, BUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Or, perhaps, YOU have some vested interest in the sale or encouragement of illegal on-air activity that makes you worry about me selling an antenna or two!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[N3ATS]

Once again, Jerry's Kid fails to see his own hypocrisy...

http://forum.worldwidedx.com/

Jerry hates CB'ers but uses a CB forum to drum up business.

Jerry hates CB'ers using amplifiers but lists his antennas for sale right underneath someone who sells CB amps.

You want credibility? Stop hanging out with the people you constantly bash...

One would think that someone of your high esteem for going after illegals would see the hypocrisy of using a forum to earn money that also promotes the use and sale of illegal amplifiers.

[ai4ep]

...whew !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KC9GUZ]

Cripes!!!! Yet another CB/freebander post!!! Ive noticed a trend lately that 1 out of every 5 posts have at least something to do with them thar' CBers or them thar' freebanders. I always thought this was a amateur radio forum NOT a CB/freebander forum or a place to bellyache about the CBers or freebanders.

[kl7aj]

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[ai4ep]

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[N3ATS]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 04 2007,12:17)]...whew !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
...and I am back quiet. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W0JBC]

Here we go , again ......

Another successful CB TROLL thread ..

The "Sir", " Mister", and " Bub " defensive retort is not surprising ....

Supplying antennae can be construed as abetting the use of illegal equipment .....

The answer to this delimma is simple...

The FCC should reinstate the 11 meter band exclusive for amateur use ....

No call signs, no band use .... It appears that the CB'ers are using frequencies out of their alotted band anyway ..

Give the band back to the hams ....

Once this problem is controlled , by regulation , the FCC would finally have teeth to bust .....

This is almost a carbon copy of threads from 15 years ago .... ' tis sad ....

Happy Trollin' ......


JB


PS... The only way for the FCC to regain control would be to drop ALL activity on the 11 meter band for at least 10 years ...

Ya know, give the FCC time to rustle up all them thar stragglers .... Another interesting thought , make the 11 meter allocations for use exclusively for the digital " bots " ..
That would take care of all the AM/SSB activity for sure ...

That's it !! A totally digital band for the digital zealots ....

[ai4ep]

...so where then would all the CB TYPES go to ?

FRS channels

151.625 / 154.570 / 154.600 ?

...and DO WHAT with the current cb channels, use them for INTERNET use ? # # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

or --- practice C W frequencies ?

Hey, the FCC has done stranger things ( like remove the morse code requirement ) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[K8MHZ]

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ May 03 2007,00:40)]A judge? #He went before a judge for an FCC violation? #How did he manage to get that privilege?
This may help.

ALJ linky (http://www.fcc.gov/oalj/)

[wb6mmj]

I have personally seen this problem get worse by the year on 10 meters. We as Amateurs can`t do much about it without the F.C.C.`s help. The F.C.C. has made it clear from it actions this year. C.B. and Ham radio are going to become one. They do less and less to keep the C.B. band in check and lower Amateur radio`s testing requirements less and less as in the last year. I have been a Licensed Ham for over 30 years now and I said way back in the 1980`s that C.B. and Ham Radio will be the same some day. I think there will be a day where you sign your license saying that you know the rules and regs. and you will be a Ham. No exam required. Don't believe me? Ok. Time will tell. But the best way to see where we are headed is to look at the history of Amateur radio and see where we are today. Wake up people!

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif Folks just do not care, based entirely on the actions of the past.

In some cases, unless you have a .357 pointed at you from about 3 feet away, folks wont pay any attention to you.

FCC dont care
Manufacturers do not care
ARRL cares but has its head in the sand.
The average person you talk to on the street does not know or care about cb / amateur radio ( if they dont walk away from you backwards and call you strange ).

So mr mmj, what have you done personally to keep the " dumbing down of amateur radio " from occuring ? No personal insult, just a basic question . http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[k4avl]

I'm new to 2 meters, and was traveling to a 100 mile away job at 5 AM this morning, the band was quiet but the few QSO's I did hear were truckers, talking about their work etc.
Very professional, had ham calls, licenses,etc. and obeyed the normal protocol. But I guess this is expected, as it's a good band, they know the repeater situation and try to fit in, and have passed the tests, etc.
On my new Yaesu from 144.1 to 148 there are 390? frequency channels and its a credit, I believe, to folks making an honest use of these, especially in case of some eventual emergency, etc., using mobile, and at my home I have an 8-golf-cart-battery power supply of 12volts (4 in series/4 in parallel) that can power the refrigerator and some appliances lightly for 3-4 days if need be, and have 12v gas generator to recharge them if need be, all of this is good, and able to run the mobile rig in the house as well.
Just as long as the folks are good band citzens, mobile is a great backup for emergencies.
I do agree, the "encroachers" and illegal folks should be dealt with in the fullest legal manner, and not cheapen the designated bands are purposes they were meant for.
We have both good folks (and "helpers") as well as big jerks , hopefully we can sort the chaff from the wheat and get on with it to the best interest of all.

[K4KWH]

Quote[/b] (W0JBC @ May 04 2007,17:01)]Here we go , again ......

Another successful CB TROLL thread ..

The #"Sir", " Mister", and #" Bub " defensive retort is not surprising ....

Supplying antennae can be construed as abetting the use of illegal equipment .....

The answer to this delimma is simple...

The FCC should reinstate the 11 meter band exclusive for amateur use ....

No call signs, no band use .... #It appears that the CB'ers are using frequencies out of their alotted band anyway ..

Give the band back to the hams ....

Once this problem is controlled , by regulation , the FCC would finally have teeth to bust .....

This is almost a carbon copy of threads from 15 years ago .... #' tis #sad #....

Happy Trollin' ......


JB


PS... #The only way for the FCC to regain control would be to drop #ALL activity on the 11 meter band for at least 10 years ...

Ya know, give the FCC time to rustle up all them thar stragglers .... Another interesting thought , make the 11 meter allocations for use exclusively for the digital " bots " ..
That would take care of all the AM/SSB activity for sure ...

That's it !! #A totally digital band for the digital zealots ....


So "educate" me. #What "CB" antennas am *I* supplying to 'aid and abet' anything? #They are 'screwdrivers'. #Eighty thu 10 Meter antennas that work on the ham bands. #So tell me how we can also fix Amateur equipment so they cannot operate on 11 Meters? How am *I* aiding and abetting anything? #Tell me HOW all other Amateur websites are N O T 'aiding and abetting' the use of illegal equipment? #Find links in ANY other "CB site" where *I* sell anything? Once again, the referenced site is owned by HAMS # Are we to stop ALL links, many of whom are sponsored by hams, because they might "aid and abet" illegal activity? #That link leads to QSL.NET. SO does that mean we should abolish QSL? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #Are THEY hypocrites, too? Certainly not! I'd really like to know WHAT it is *I* am doing wrong by having a link to respectable, well-known Amateur radio site! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[W0JBC]

K4KWH:

Jerry , I could care less about your side business ...

Someone pi$$ed in your wheaties within this thread ...

Do what you must ... It's all good ...

So, "mister" , "bub" , etc ... do what you do best ....

My after thought would be an interesting resolve ....

Tain Fer ?


JB

[ka5piu]

Hello.

I could care less about who you go after, as long as the facts are correct.
As it stands now, "All ham and ham like radios are prohibited".
This blanket ban does not say anything about license or not.
This is a medium sized trucking company based out of Texas.

[VE7NOT]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ May 04 2007,16:35)]...so where then would all the CB TYPES go to ?

FRS channels

151.625 / 154.570 / 154.600 ?

...and DO WHAT with the current cb channels, use them for INTERNET use ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

or --- practice C W frequencies ?

Hey, the FCC has done stranger things ( like remove the morse code requirement ) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
I've used cb ssb for cw practice actually. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

The FRS channels you list are on VHF...:p

But in all seriousness I have noticed alot of the local chit chat moving to frs channels and keeping the cb am langauge alive.

[W0JBC]

An amazing thread this is .....

I figured that " NOT" , with his CB wisdom would jump in here ...

" PIU " ..... same ......


I surmise from their previous responses on different threads, they are CB'ers ( with a ham license ) .....

That's OK ..... CB'ers and covert ops ( at least one ).....

What a hoot .......

Citizen Band should be all digital .... DB ..... Digital Band .....

It is wonderful to see you guys show up here on this thread ....

I just wondered how long it would take ... What a kick !!

"NOT " I am not surprised to see you acknowledge that you HAVE used CW practice on 11 meters ... YOU ARE A CB'ER .....

London, Ontario should have busted you long ago ....

Ontario is a long way from you though ...

Whoo Hooo ...



JB

[VE7NOT]

There is nothing wrong with practicing code over a cb lol http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

There is an IC office closer BTW but as far as most on here are concerned they are hopeless (check out any KFM thread http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif )

[W0JBC]

VE3NOT:

There is no need for me to check anything .... As anyone could, they will discern from all your previous posts that you are a CB'er with a ham ticket .....

You , if you would like , could run RTTY, SSTV and packet on the 27 mhz frequencies ....

You could utilize those modes wherever you would like ....
Just like another Canadian ham up there, just do what you want ....


You are a real swell guy ....


JB

[VE7NOT]

Quote[/b] (W0JBC @ May 04 2007,23:52)]VE3NOT:

There is no need for me to check anything .... As anyone could, they will discern from all your previous posts that you are a CB'er with a ham ticket .....

You , if you would like , could run RTTY, SSTV and packet on the 27 mhz frequencies ....

You could utilize those modes wherever you would like ....
Just like another Canadian ham up there, just do what you want ....
First i'm not in Ontario. That's slander http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Yes I am a cber with a ham ticket. I've had that ticket for 9 years. Been into cb for 13 years.

I don't feel like utilizing them wherever I like. I for instance have not used voice on 30m even though im not bound by law here agaist it (gentleman's agreement). There are structures to radio.

CB here though (SSB CB) is regarded as a ham band that is more laid back and thus we do our testing, ragchewing and such on it.

Would you prefer we use 30m? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

The 'other canadian ham' has me on the hate list so it's hardly a comparison. And his VFO seems to be stuck on one frequency with power I can't legally use.

[W0JBC]

Sorry OM... I didn't get you call correctly entered ..

I was thinking where the powers were .... London ... not Vancouver ..


Again, do what you do as a CB'er with a ham ticket ...

With all your radio experience , I expected nothing more than what you stated ..

You have radio knocked out ... Anytime anyone has a question about CB , you are there ....

Good luck .... Canada is a big country ....


You Rock


JB

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Hey, I did not know that it is legal to " practice cw on the cb channels " !!

WOW !!

...now if I only had me a cb rig (sigh ) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif and a kw amplifier and a beam antenna. Gee, wonder which way I should point it, N E of me ??





Nah.

I didnt climb all the way to EXTRA class in the amateur world to continue to mingle with low - class cb operators.... (grin !! )

Oh, B T W, I decided NOT to go to the BIRMINGHAM (alabama ) hamfest since there is about a 30 - 40 % of rain, and the outdoor flea market is where I would have been....nothing much worse that a wet EP !!

But I might have found myself a full wave 160 meter 5 element beam to bring home , complete with small tv rotor to turn it.

Ya jest neva know whatcha mite find at a hamfest !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ai4ep]

...or lots of 10 - 11 meter rigs NEW & USED

[n9lya]

They end up on HF using Winlink 2000 ...