Sex,Drugs & RNR Do They Breed Gun Toting Maniacs?

[kg4kww]

Sex,Drugs & RNR Do They Breed Gun Toting Maniacs?

I think so to a degree. What's you feeling on the subject?

Lyrics in songs have a definite affect on people as do drugs and wild sex parties.

People thinks that songs talking about loosing your lover in a tragic way and then seeking revenge is cool.

Remember Tom Dooly? The poor boy died and Frankie and Jonny and Leroy brown and now gansta rap, just to name a few.

Yep in the days of the Big Band era, Benny Goodman and Tommy Dorsey, we didn't have these sorts of problems generated from music.

Guys didn't get it on with a chick in the back seat of their car, they wait till there wedding day. Guys, understood why they had Sally and her four sisters.

remember??

[al2i]

You just keep right on thinking Greg, because that is what you are good at. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[n2ize]

I doubt it. People have been having sexual intercourse for a very long time and there is no reason to suspect it leads to violence. Unless of course the persons involved are so perverted that they see violence as a thrill. But that is probably quite rare.

Drugs ?? I don;t see how drugs would nessesarilly make a person violent. Most people I have known or observed using drugs tened to be quiet, peaceful and abstracted, mostly contented simply to be than to be something in particular or to do anything about it. Even CNS stimulant drugs like caffeine or cocaine tend to make a person a bit more talkative, perhaps more intense and focused on whatever it is that they are doing, but violent ?? No I don't think so.

Setting these things to music doesn;t nessesarilly add to the problem either. Most normal people are capable of separating artistic depictions from their own reality. #Movies have been doing it for years. Did gangster movies make normal people go out and become gun toting gangsters ? Did movies about drug addicts make people get up and become drug addicts/alchoholics .

I would say that if a song, or movie, or other artistic depiction so motivates someone to go out and kill or change their life then there was probably something wrong to begin with. If a person see's a movie or hears a song about drugs and then goes out and becomes a drug addict then she/he was probably predisposed to doing that very thing long before they heard the song. She probably would have done it anyway. If a person hears a song about killing or getting even and then goes out and kills in real life then that person was not right to begin with and probably would have gone out on the kill with or without hearing the song.

Or, look at it statistically. The vast majority of people who use drugs or who have listened to violent movies or music do not go out and kill people or commit antisocial acts. The numbers who do are extremely small and far between. If these things were such a major influence I think we'd be seeing a lot more such violent incidents. The problem lies in the person to begin with, not in the drugs or the music ir in sexuality.

[KI4ITV]

If you're doing this sex, drugs, and Rock n' Roll thing right, you have no time left for guns. #You have to sleep sometime. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kg4kww]

n2ize people who do drugs have to pay for their habit some way some how. And crime is the most likley.

People who drink to much and use drugs at some point in time wind up having the brain fried, so their thinking process is not what you would consider normal.

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 21 2007,18:08)]people who do drugs have to pay for their habit some way some how. And crime is the most likley.
That's more a result of the "war" on drugs than the drugs themselves. Prohibition didn't work with alcohol either, but we all know the legends of Chicago in the 1920's.

The reason that drugs like crack and meth, prone to cause violent and deadly reactions, have become prevalent in recent decades is because they are "compact" drugs, easily hidden on the person, and pack a strong punch with only one hit.

Prohibition pushes up the price, and thus the desperate willingness to engage in criminal activity to raise the cash.

[KW4MW]

Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll

Tune in, Turn on, Drop out

Oh yea brethen, come forward to the church of the righteousness. #Hear ye hear ye sinners. #Drink demon rum, smoke Maryjewanna, commit a mortal sin with a immoral woman that's not your wife and the next thing you'll be doing is stealing a gun and killing people. #Come forth and put the money you would have spent on these vile evil things into our coffers. # #

Can I have an Amen to that?

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ April 21 2007,14:29)]Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll

Tune in, Turn on, Drop out

Oh yea brethen, come forward to the church of the righteousness. Hear ye hear ye sinners. Drink demon rum, smoke Maryjewanna, commit a mortal sin with a immoral woman that's not your wife and the next thing you'll be doing is stealing a gun and killing people. Come forth and put the money you would have spent on these vile evil things into our coffers.

Can I have an Amen to that?
Sure, let me put the bong down first.

Wouldn't want to set my bed on fire and burn up the stereo.
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[WF7A]

For years, psychologists said that watching cartoons led kids down the road toward violent behavior; only recently that was disproved.

So, the next time your kid(s) see Wiley Coyote get blown up, you can smile instead of worry.

[K3XR]

Thanks to bleeding hearts and ACLU types, we have put too many folks on the streets, that should not be there.

http://article.nationalreview.com/print....2YxYTg= (http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=Zjk4MDdmYjZiNDVkNTBjMTJmYTA5ZTg3ZmVkM2YxYTg=)

[kg4kww]

K3XR I agree 100%

[KI4PEQ]

Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ April 21 2007,16:29)]Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll

Tune in, Turn on, Drop out

Oh yea brethen, come forward to the church of the righteousness. #Hear ye hear ye sinners. #Drink demon rum, smoke Maryjewanna, commit a mortal sin with a immoral woman that's not your wife and the next thing you'll be doing is stealing a gun and killing people. #Come forth and put the money you would have spent on these vile evil things into our coffers. # #

Can I have an Amen to that?
Amen, halleujah, and pass the collection plate. Don't forget to send in $ 5 for your very own Billy Sol Hargis plastic Jesus for the dashboard of your car.

You forgot the part about those who fall prey to these vices, go to an amateur radio testing session and get a General or Extra license without the benefit of an Element 1 test. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Another poster on another thread implied that new Generals and Extras are the scourge of the amateur bands, and that they all have potty mouths and low morals.

Yes, sex, drugs, and rock and roll can lead to a person becoming a radio amateur with no Morse code knowledge. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif JK

[kg4kww]

Quote[/b] ]kw4mw--Tune in, Turn on, Drop out


This is what was preached to my generation during the 60's by the late Dr. Tim Leary. He was one who was for using drugs, listening to hendrix type music (acid rock), free sex with however and dropping out of the mainstream to wind up in the gutter.

He had a profound affect on a lot of people in the 60's and sadly ruined a lot of lives.

This is the type of afect that gansta rap and drugs and violance in movies and TV are on people today.

Same tune, diff band.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 21 2007,11:08)]n2ize people who do drugs have to pay for their habit some way some how. And crime is the most likley.

People who drink to much and use drugs at some point in time wind up having the brain fried, so their thinking process is not what you would consider normal.
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n2ize people who do drugs have to pay for their habit some way some how. And crime is the most likley.


Depends on the person. #Some people pay for drugs out of there own salaries. Others steal, most often comitting petty crimes like shoplifting or grabbing something when nobody is looking. Most of this petty crime stems from drug prohibition. Prior to drug prohibition drug addiction was hardly a problem in this country. #In answer to your original question I don't know of anyone who massacred people simply to pay for drugs.

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People who drink to much and use drugs at some point in time wind up having the brain fried, so their thinking process is not what you would consider normal.


Actually that is not true. First of all what does "brain fried" even mean ? I have known a few #people who used various drugs, some heavy users, some very light occaisional use. None of them are violent, virtually all are successful and happy with their lives and good at what they do. I don;t know where the "fried brain" nonsense comes from.

[kg4kww]

disagree, I have seen the end result to many times.

[PA5COR]

disagree, I have seen the end result to many times.

Ditto
Seen too much people here using marihuana for 30 years wich are close to braindead.

But, that goes for alcohol abuse as well....

Don't use drugs and no alcohol here, never saw the need for it.

But i'm an self confessed coffee junk http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (PA5COR @ April 23 2007,00:48)]disagree, I have seen the end result to many times.

Ditto
Seen too much people here using marihuana for 30 years wich are close to braindead.

But, that goes for alcohol abuse as well....

Don't use drugs and no alcohol here, never saw the need for it.

But i'm an self confessed coffee junk http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
And what do you consider "braindead" ?? How old are these people and what other medications are they taking ? I see plenty of people walking around "braindead" who have never touched a reefer in their lives. However, they do take more than one prescription drug. There have been many attempts to try and prove that weed causes brain deterioration, chromosome damage, sterility, etc. Thus far none have been substantiated and in most cases further study has even dismissed those suspicions.

So, I don't know who these "brain dead" people you meet are ? Either they are perpetually stoned to the hilt on some ultra strong stuff or, they have something else wrong with themselves to begin with.

Besides, the original question was whether or not sexuality, drug use and rock and roll is what creates people like Cho who go on murderous rampages. I say no because...

1) The vast majority of persons who smoke maryjane, drink, or use other
drugs do not go on killing rampages.

2) people have #been engaging in sex forever and there is nothing to indicate that sex induces a tendency towards murderous rampages.

3) Rock n Roll has been around long enough for us to realize it does not induce murderous rampages.

If none of these three things induce crazed murderous rampages by themselves then I highly doubt any combination of them will.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (K3XR @ April 21 2007,17:41)]Thanks to bleeding hearts and ACLU types, we have put too many folks on the streets, that should not be there.

http://article.nationalreview.com/print....2YxYTg= (http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=Zjk4MDdmYjZiNDVkNTBjMTJmYTA5ZTg3ZmVkM2YxYTg=)
This article is bogus. The old 19th century mental institutions were not emptied out due to bleeding hearts or ACLU types. They were emptied out due to massive cuts and defunding. Many of these ancient and massive facilities stand vacant and crumbling today. They were always dismal places which in and of themselves could drive a sane person insane. mental patiends were basically locked into dismal rooms and essentually left to rot from total neglect. We generally treat animals far better than we treated people in those institutions.

Even today one of the biggest complaints about the mental health profession is that it is severly underfunded and understaffed. So, anyone who thinks for a minute that we are going to identify mentally unstable people much less do anything to help them or protect society from the ones who may be dangerous is themsevles nuts. The sad state of care and treatment for the mentally ill is pathetic, to put it mildly.

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 21 2007,23:36)]Quote[/b] ]kw4mw--Tune in, Turn on, Drop out


This is what was preached to my generation during the 60's by the late Dr. Tim Leary.
The difference is that you knew that and he didn't. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Just because your Mama can't dance and your Daddy don't Rock & Roll doesn't mean that this easy target is to blame... that is unless the righties are agreeing with Tipper Gore.

[w3bny]

Oh jeez.. not this again. "Ozzy Osbourne made my little Theodore go on a 12 state rape/murder spree. He was a perfect little angel till he heard "Iron Man" then he started stabbing the cat with a spork from KFC"

STOO MEET and PUPPETS!!

Its not Sex-drugs-or Rock-n-Roll's fault your precious tyke is all FUBAR in teh hed! Thousands upon thousands of kids listen to that and stronger and hey... no killin sprees just isolated nut-jobs thinking they hear backwards masking of Azmodan calling for the death of preppies.

In other words.

You need to be more intouch with your kids and know when its time to send them off to the "re-wind shop" and stop blaming other people/things for your lack of parenting skillz.

P.S. You cant have manslaughter without laughter <bwuhahahahah> Ahem.

[n0jaa]

I don't think rock-n-roll breeds anything. What happens is people THINK they hear something in a song, and they THINK it is telling them to do something, when the reality is their own mind is telling them to do whatever it is and they use the music as an excuse to justify it.

Besides, if you really think about it for a minute, some lyrics in country music are MORE graphic than rock-n-roll ever could be!

Some musicologists have said that classical music has moved (they claim) people in the 17th and 18th Centuries to riot against authority, especially in France and Germany.

[kd7gwd]

I don't think it has to . Some people can make mistakes , then turn right around and find a wife , job , succeed and buy a home . Guess its how your raised , good parents instill a conscious in you . So even if you take a wrong turn , you can find your way back .

[n0jaa]

Well then, I don't know. I suppose anyone would go on a rampage after listening to six hours of Mantovani!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif


I can see it now: "Percy Faith told me to do it!"

[KI4SQT]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 20 2007,13:01)]I doubt it. People have been having sexual intercourse for a very long time and there is no reason to suspect it leads to violence. Unless of course the persons involved are so perverted that they see violence as a thrill. But that is probably quite rare.

Drugs ?? I don;t see how drugs would nessesarilly make a person violent. Most people I have known or observed using drugs tened to be quiet, peaceful and abstracted, mostly contented simply to be than to be something in particular or to do anything about it. Even CNS stimulant drugs like caffeine or cocaine tend to make a person a bit more talkative, perhaps more intense and focused on whatever it is that they are doing, but violent ?? No I don't think so.

Setting these things to music doesn;t nessesarilly add to the problem either. Most normal people are capable of separating artistic depictions from their own reality. #Movies have been doing it for years. Did gangster movies make normal people go out and become gun toting gangsters ? Did movies about drug addicts make people get up and become drug addicts/alchoholics .

I would say that if a song, or movie, or other artistic depiction so motivates someone to go out and kill or change their life then there was probably something wrong to begin with. If a person see's a movie or hears a song about drugs and then goes out and becomes a drug addict then she/he was probably predisposed to doing that very thing long before they heard the song. She probably would have done it anyway. If a person hears a song about killing or getting even and then goes out and kills in real life then that person was not right to begin with and probably would have gone out on the kill with or without hearing the song.

Or, look at it statistically. The vast majority of people who use drugs or who have listened to violent movies or music do not go out and kill people or commit antisocial acts. The numbers who do are extremely small and far between. If these things were such a major influence I think we'd be seeing a lot more such violent incidents. The problem lies in the person to begin with, not in the drugs or the music ir in sexuality.
While doing your Doctorate Thesis in Psychoanalysis, did you ever mention the words "Psychologcal Triggers"...
LMAO

[kg4kww]

Quote[/b] ]n0jaa--I can see it now: "Percy Faith told me to do it!"

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[kg4kww]

N0JAA back when Percy Faith was above ground and making music, people didn't run a round saying they heard voices from music ot movies in their heads saying shoot them up bang bang.

Back then nuts were locked up and the streets were a hell of a lot safer than today.

This problem didn't come about until people got turned on to LSD and crack and other types of junk, and listened to acid rock.

[n1ydx]

I can't stand to read all this crap-ola.

Think of it folks.

Ever since the late 70's early 80s, all those doctors and research folks have been adding crapola to the food chain. Chemicals to have cows produce more milk, chemicals to fatten up the chicken legs, chemicals, chemicals and more chemicals in the majority of our food stuff.

Folks, some of those chemicals must certainly stay with the product and guess who gets it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif? Small children and adults but especially the children while they are growing up.

All those chemicals to have cows produce more milk is showing up in the larger boobs of the young girls around town. Check it out. I do !!!!! Muhahahahaha

N1YDX - Lee

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (KI4SQT @ April 23 2007,14:10)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 20 2007,13:01)]I doubt it. People have been having sexual intercourse for a very long time and there is no reason to suspect it leads to violence. Unless of course the persons involved are so perverted that they see violence as a thrill. But that is probably quite rare.

Drugs ?? I don;t see how drugs would nessesarilly make a person violent. Most people I have known or observed using drugs tened to be quiet, peaceful and abstracted, mostly contented simply to be than to be something in particular or to do anything about it. Even CNS stimulant drugs like caffeine or cocaine tend to make a person a bit more talkative, perhaps more intense and focused on whatever it is that they are doing, but violent ?? No I don't think so.

Setting these things to music doesn;t nessesarilly add to the problem either. Most normal people are capable of separating artistic depictions from their own reality. #Movies have been doing it for years. Did gangster movies make normal people go out and become gun toting gangsters ? Did movies about drug addicts make people get up and become drug addicts/alchoholics .

I would say that if a song, or movie, or other artistic depiction so motivates someone to go out and kill or change their life then there was probably something wrong to begin with. If a person see's a movie or hears a song about drugs and then goes out and becomes a drug addict then she/he was probably predisposed to doing that very thing long before they heard the song. She probably would have done it anyway. If a person hears a song about killing or getting even and then goes out and kills in real life then that person was not right to begin with and probably would have gone out on the kill with or without hearing the song.

Or, look at it statistically. The vast majority of people who use drugs or who have listened to violent movies or music do not go out and kill people or commit antisocial acts. The numbers who do are extremely small and far between. If these things were such a major influence I think we'd be seeing a lot more such violent incidents. The problem lies in the person to begin with, not in the drugs or the music ir in sexuality.
While doing your Doctorate Thesis in Psychoanalysis, did you ever mention the words "Psychologcal Triggers"...
LMAO
Anything can act as a psychological trigger in a person who is sick in the head to begin with. But anyone who thinks that having sex, listening to rock music, or using drugs is what causes people to go on murderous rampages is nuts. If such were the case we'd be having Virginia Tech incidents 24/7.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 23 2007,16:10)]N0JAA back when Percy Faith was above ground and making music, people didn't run a round saying they heard voices from music ot movies in their heads saying shoot them up bang bang.

Back then nuts were locked up and the streets were a hell of a lot safer than today.

This problem didn't come about until people got turned on to LSD and crack and other types of junk, and listened to acid rock.
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N0JAA back when Percy Faith was above ground and making music, people didn't run a round saying they heard voices from music ot movies in their heads saying shoot them up bang bang.


Bunk. There were always crazy people around. The problem of dangerous crazies goes back centuries.

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Back then nuts were locked up and the streets were a hell of a lot safer than today.


You can thank your republicans for cutting funding for mental health programs down to the bare bones. During the 1970's and 80's budgets were slashes and all the old style mental institutions were closed down and the patients dumped into the streets. And today mental health clinis are extremely underfunded and understaffed. Surprised there are lots of sick people lurking about ?

My grandmother was mugged in the early 1950's and moved away from the city ecause it was becoming crime ridden. Some of the most famous murder cases happened back then such as Kitty Genovese, stalked and brutally mudered by a psycho while neighbors looked on but didn't call the cops. If anything violent crime in New York and other cities is down considerably since back then.

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This problem didn't come about until people got turned on to LSD and crack and other types of junk, and listened to acid rock.


Anyone who would belive this is nuts. Drug use and drug addiction goes back centuries. #You can thank drug prohibition for the crime associated with drugs today. Priot to prohibition drug addiction existed but rarely a problem in this country. Other than gang wars, i.e. dealer shooting dealer, most of the crime assdociated with drugs is petty nonviolent nuisance crime , i.e. shoplifting, passing a bad check, petty theft, etc.
There is absolutely no evidence to even indicate that using drugs, (including alcohol, nicotine and caffeine), or listening to rock & roll music, or making love causes anyone to go postal and do a Virginia Tech style killing.

If your reasoning were true then Woodstock would have been the bloodiest massacre in world history !! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w3bny]

Quote[/b] (n1ydx @ April 23 2007,16:14)]All those chemicals to have cows produce more milk is showing up in the larger boobs of the young girls around town. Check it out. I do !!!!! Muhahahahaha

N1YDX - Lee
Sniffle... Your my hero! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[N5NPO]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 23 2007,16:34)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 23 2007,16:10)]N0JAA back when Percy Faith was above ground and making music, people didn't run a round saying they heard voices from music ot movies in their heads saying shoot them up bang bang.

Back then nuts were locked up and the streets were a hell of a lot safer than today.

This problem didn't come about until people got turned on to LSD and crack and other types of junk, and listened to acid rock.
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N0JAA back when Percy Faith was above ground and making music, people didn't run a round saying they heard voices from music ot movies in their heads saying shoot them up bang bang.


Bunk. There were always crazy people around. The problem of dangerous crazies goes back centuries.

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Back then nuts were locked up and the streets were a hell of a lot safer than today.


You can thank your republicans for cutting funding for mental health programs down to the bare bones. During the 1970's and 80's budgets were slashes and all the old style mental institutions were closed down and the patients dumped into the streets. And today mental health clinis are extremely underfunded and understaffed. Surprised there are lots of sick people lurking about ?

My grandmother was mugged in the early 1950's and moved away from the city ecause it was becoming crime ridden. Some of the most famous murder cases happened back then such as Kitty Genovese, stalked and brutally mudered by a psycho while neighbors looked on but didn't call the cops. If anything violent crime in New York and other cities is down considerably since back then.

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This problem didn't come about until people got turned on to LSD and crack and other types of junk, and listened to acid rock.


Anyone who would belive this is nuts. Drug use and drug addiction goes back centuries. #You can thank drug prohibition for the crime associated with drugs today. Priot to prohibition drug addiction existed but rarely a problem in this country. Other than gang wars, i.e. dealer shooting dealer, most of the crime assdociated with drugs is petty nonviolent nuisance crime , i.e. shoplifting, passing a bad check, petty theft, etc.
There is absolutely no evidence to even indicate that using drugs, (including alcohol, nicotine and caffeine), or listening to rock & roll music, or making love causes anyone to go postal and do a Virginia Tech style killing.

If your reasoning were true then Woodstock would have been the bloodiest massacre in world history !! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Didn't the ACLU sue the states because it was unconstitutional to lock up people just because they were mentally ill (crazy)? Enlighten me on this.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ April 24 2007,05:52)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 23 2007,16:34)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 23 2007,16:10)]N0JAA back when Percy Faith was above ground and making music, people didn't run a round saying they heard voices from music ot movies in their heads saying shoot them up bang bang.

Back then nuts were locked up and the streets were a hell of a lot safer than today.

This problem didn't come about until people got turned on to LSD and crack and other types of junk, and listened to acid rock.
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N0JAA back when Percy Faith was above ground and making music, people didn't run a round saying they heard voices from music ot movies in their heads saying shoot them up bang bang.


Bunk. There were always crazy people around. The problem of dangerous crazies goes back centuries.

Quote[/b] ]
Back then nuts were locked up and the streets were a hell of a lot safer than today.


You can thank your republicans for cutting funding for mental health programs down to the bare bones. During the 1970's and 80's budgets were slashes and all the old style mental institutions were closed down and the patients dumped into the streets. And today mental health clinis are extremely underfunded and understaffed. Surprised there are lots of sick people lurking about ?

My grandmother was mugged in the early 1950's and moved away from the city ecause it was becoming crime ridden. Some of the most famous murder cases happened back then such as Kitty Genovese, stalked and brutally mudered by a psycho while neighbors looked on but didn't call the cops. If anything violent crime in New York and other cities is down considerably since back then.

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This problem didn't come about until people got turned on to LSD and crack and other types of junk, and listened to acid rock.


Anyone who would belive this is nuts. Drug use and drug addiction goes back centuries. #You can thank drug prohibition for the crime associated with drugs today. Priot to prohibition drug addiction existed but rarely a problem in this country. Other than gang wars, i.e. dealer shooting dealer, most of the crime assdociated with drugs is petty nonviolent nuisance crime , i.e. shoplifting, passing a bad check, petty theft, etc.
There is absolutely no evidence to even indicate that using drugs, (including alcohol, nicotine and caffeine), or listening to rock & roll music, or making love causes anyone to go postal and do a Virginia Tech style killing.

If your reasoning were true then Woodstock would have been the bloodiest massacre in world history !! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Didn't the ACLU sue the states because it was unconstitutional to lock up people just because they were mentally ill (crazy)? Enlighten me on this.
Not specifically to my knowledge. The ACLU has taken on some cases involving the mentally in and the death penalty as well as a few cases regarding when and under what conditions the state can simply pluck someone out of society and commit them into a mental institution. Indeed, there is a fine line. If you had a family member who was perhaps otherwise harmless but occaisionally acted a bit weird in public you might object to, or even criticize as to what right the state authorities have in seizing such a family member and locking them up. Likewise, a person who is clearly sick and a danger to himself and others might very well need care in a mental health facility yet they wind up going unnoticed, undiagnosed and untreated. Of course I think any reasonable person would agree there are serious inherent dangers in having a system that can simply grab anyone they chose on a whim and tuck them away forever in a nuthouse.

The main problem, as I understand it from talking to people who work in the profession, is that most city and state run mental health facilities are severely underfunded and understaffed. There are simply not enough personell to make timely determination of who might be dangerous and should be kept in, versus those who may be allowed to come and go (outpatients), to being able to provide the kind of professional care that most patiends require. As a result many patiients go undiagnosed, improperly or incompletely diagnosed and/or untreated.

If we expect improved screening and treatment of those who are mentally ill, including being able to determine who may be a danger, we need to make it a priority. Presently it is anything but a priority in our country.

[ve2nsm]

Yesterday night I took my meds, poured myself a good drink and sat in my living room to watch "A Clockwork Orange" (from the Stanley Kubrick collection I received a few days ago)
You think my kinds are in danger today?

Oh but wait, no rock music in the movie so everything is fine http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K6BBC]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ April 21 2007,19:36)]K3XR I agree 100%
I think you two have found each other's soul mate. Can wedding bells be far away???

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