Digital TV

[W0BKR]

What's your slant on why the big push by the Feds to go to Digital TV (conversion) by 2007?
I have to believe there are other motives behind this.

[KG4UDX]

It's no real secret that the FCC wants to sell off the spectrum used by the existing analog broadcast stations, partially to compensate for the new free spectrum they gave for digital.

[N7CPC]

The short answer is $$$$$$$$! Nuff said.

73

[n7wsb]

You consider how much bandwidth TV stations use now - and then you consider how much bandwidth digital tv stations use (its about the same, but I believe its spread spectrum).

Its no secret that in most cities you could fit all the FM radio stations into the space one TV station sits on. Just the picture is 7 mhz alone.

Plus there's the fact that Michael Powell (appointed by Bush Inc.) owns stock in various communications companies who are probably going to end up with all this bandwidth. No joke - its a ton of spectrum. Especially compared to what us hams are used to.

[WB2GOF]

I do not believe the FCC should be dictating what my television set should be equipped with. Don't we live in a free-market society? Laissez-faire... and all that!

[KB1GYQ]

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Save the world, kill a TV. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Actually I think it's all about copy protection.... NTSC is so easily copied, and every attempt to date to &quot;protect&quot; it has made legit copies unviewable...

Long Live VHS....

[KD7LDH]

ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

AHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE GOVERNMENT WANTS THOSE FREQENCIES FOR TALKING TO ALIENS FROM ALL THE PLANETS AND TO FIND MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SAVE THE WORLD... READ AND USE THE INTERNET! USE THE HAM BANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PREPARE INCASE ALIENS TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!

[ka1kjz]

Wow, its simply amazing there are conspiracy theories in everything.

Its VERY simple, we reached the limit of NTSC sometime back in the 70s. For the bandwidth occupied, we cannot make anymore improvement to picture quality. No copy protection, just doing it &quot;right&quot; for a change.

The new DTV can hold SIX standard definition signals in one 6 MHz channel. Its also capable of HDTV, but the number of channels goes down to about 3 (depending on compression level). One HD and one or two SD. The local ABC affiliate runs ABC-HD, ABC-SD, and the weather map.

They gave no new spectrum to DTV, they assigned the DTV stations to the spaces between channels, sometimes at great cost for interference. When NTSC goes away in 2007, they will re-align the channels into the &quot;core&quot; which is somewhere between channels 14-50something. The channels above that will be given to datacasting services.

The FCC absolutely HAS to dictate what is in your TV otherwise it won't work, could you imagine trying to buy a &quot;Connecticut Compatible TV?&quot; or an &quot;NBC Compatible TV&quot;? True this is the first time the new standard isnt backward compatible with the old, but its gotta be done, NTSC is garbage, has been from the start.

This has nothing to do with Bush appointees, HDTV has been in the works since sometime in the very early 90s, hmmm, Clinton appointees I do believe.

[n9zia]

HDTV is hardly new. Philo Farnsworth was experimenting with high definition television back in the 1940s. The FCC approval of HDTV Grand alliance system happened in 1994, hardly a &quot;Bush Inc.&quot; thing. The spectral efficiency of HDTV and digital broadcasting is something that should be adopted as soon as possible.

[KB1GYQ]

Did you see &quot;Moose and Squirrel&quot;, the movie... #Well this is the start of Fearless Leader's RBTV system (really bad television). The plan is to zombify the public so that will vote for Fearless Leader.

[ka1kjz]

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Huh? What does this have to do with digital tv?

[KB1GYQ]

Everything!

The government is starting distribution of their new zombification system; to be completely in place by 2007. Then they will eliminate, by means of electronic brainwashing, whatever remnant of free thought is left.

They will know what you watch, when you watch it, and adjust the programming to drain every last bit of originally free thinking; be afraid, be very afraid ... if you don't watch the required amount of propaganda, the men in black will get you.

[n7wsb]

I never said anything about aliens. Fact is Michael Powell was appointed. He's Colin Powell's kid. And its also a fact that he has worked to deregulate spectrum and to pass laws that favor companies he really owns stocks in.

Another fact is that wireless companies want more bandwidth - not because the'll use it, but because they can sell it.

I say Bush Inc because most all the people he appointed are former executives (or CEO's) of big money grubbing corperations.

[M1MPW]

The move to digital TV is happening over here aswell! ( UK )
2005-2010 are the possible switch over times.
Apparently a switch off of analog TV won't be done until
98% of homes have digital capability!

I'm really looking forward to that blocky pixelized picture, out of sync sound and picture freezing!

Mark

M3MPW

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[W0BKR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WB2GOF @ Aug. 12 2002,13:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I do not believe the FCC should be dictating what my television set should be equipped with. #Don't we live in a free-market society? # #Laissez-faire... and all that![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I have to agree. Seems the Feds are getting more and more into our lives these days. Also have to wonder what they mean by &quot;interactive&quot;.....I mean the real meaning....???

[K6UEY]

&quot;The sky is falling, The sky is falling&quot;
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #Chicken Little

[W0BKR]

The truth is out there.....




If you can find it!!!!!!

[KB1GYQ]

Take control of your own life! Throw the TV out now before it's too late.

[WA6CAW]

Any Federal agency that decides that 12 channels of TV is all that is needed, (circa 1940), and then numbers them 2 - 13, I think is a little off the bubble.

I want to watch channel 1 !!!

Anyway, they then add 80 new channels, which was over kill, and now they sell them and take them away, only to add them back for M-PEG-4, and require all TV networks to have 2 channels, analog ( which really is semi-digital) and HDTV in some unagreed format.

Does that sound like an organized path of evolution? Only the government could mess it up that badly.

[K2PG]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W0BKR @ Aug. 11 2002,10:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What's your slant on why the big push by the Feds to go to Digital TV (conversion) by 2007?
I have to believe there are other motives behind this.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
There is a major motive behind the forced conversion to digital TV (DTV). Congress wants to auction off spectrum to other services (such as cellular/PCS, land mobile, wireless Internet, etc.) and has already figured the money into the federal budget. Channels 60-69 will be reassigned first, followed by channels 52-59. At the end of the transition to DTV, the broadcasters will have the option of transmitting DTV on their &quot;old&quot; analog channel (if it is a channel from 2 through 51) or on their &quot;loaner&quot; channel (provided that it is a channel from 2 through 51). The use of channel 6 would be discouraged, due to problems with interference to and from#stations on the low end of the FM band.

Promoters of DTV promise &quot;multicasting&quot; of up to four channels of programming over one standard 6 MHz RF channel, simultaneous soundtracks in multiple languages, augmented audio for the visually impaired, and HDTV pictures of stunning clarity. Now, let's look behind all the hype. The modulation system selected as the standard for DTV in this country is 8-level vestigial sideband (8-VSB). It performs poorly in urban areas having a lot of multipath. On the UHF band, hazy, drizzly weather conditions also wreak havoc on 8-VSB reception. In a demonstration that I witnessed at the home of an independent television engineer in New York City, DTV was unreceivable at a place where analog TV stations put in good pictures. All of these were UHF stations transmitting from the Empire State Building: WCBS-DT, WNYW-DT (both digital), WXTV, and WHSE (both analog). Another &quot;treat&quot; for TV viewers who don't want to pay their ever-increasing monthly tithes to the cable companies: While viewing 8-VSB stations, you will have to use an outdoor antenna and rotate it every time you change the channel. Tests in Philadelphia and Los Angeles, where the TV stations share a common transmitter site, have shown this. The decoder boxes are also quite expensive, with the RCA DTC-100 listing at about $570. You can get an analog TV set at Wal-Mart for about $150, but that will become obsolete once Congress and the FCC pull the plug on analog TV. The deadline for the termination of analog service is in 2006 or when DTV penetration reaches 85% of all television households, whichever comes first.

Basically, many Americans will lose the ability to receive television programming for free over the air. Such is the &quot;technological wonder&quot; that our government (read that &quot;the whores in Congress&quot;) is trying to shove down our throats!

[KB1GYQ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K2PG @ Aug. 19 2002,15:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Basically, many Americans will lose the ability to receive television programming for free over the air. Such is the &quot;technological wonder&quot; that our government (read that &quot;the whores in Congress&quot;) is trying to shove down our throats![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That's what I was saying a week ago...

Oh, well. Nothing much lost in my view! Perhaps people will find something constructive to do instead at paying to watch propaganda.

[n7wsb]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0819/p14s01-wmcn.html

And you guys thought I was paranoid... There are some scary bastards out there paying off our politicians.

[w8tvi]

I think I'll just stick with DirecTV http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif