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n4sva
04-09-2007, 10:26 PM
What Imus Said (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=5192275)
N5LRZ
04-09-2007, 10:34 PM
If anyone knows about nappy its the I man. Just look at his dome.
IF that is what he believes then why should he apologize at all. After all is he is on sat Radio last time I heard and not on FCC Reg Speak stations. Hell from what I understand he can say and do just about anything he wants.
BUT did they have nappy hair and if so what are they bitching about. If you have a wild dome you have a wild dome. Dont whine if someone points it out to ya.
N5LRZ
IMUS is an idiot and needs to retire. He's not funny and lame anyway. Time to go to the farm.
K2WH
Quote[/b] (K2WH @ April 09 2007,14:42)]IMUS is an idiot and needs to retire. #He's not funny and lame anyway. #Time to go to the farm.
K2WH
*GASP*
I agree with Whiskey Hotel! Will wonders never cease...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
KE5FRF
04-09-2007, 10:53 PM
Isn't Imus a quasi-liberal?
KC2ESD
04-09-2007, 10:53 PM
The foot in mouth illness most be going arourd, First Newt, now Imus. Whos next, Bush, Clinton, Obama, McCain, or Rush.
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ April 09 2007,15:44)]Quote[/b] (K2WH @ April 09 2007,14:42)]IMUS is an idiot and needs to retire. #He's not funny and lame anyway. #Time to go to the farm.
K2WH
*GASP*
I agree with Whiskey Hotel! Will wonders never cease...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
This may be a first, make that three. #Yes, I have more to add, I am restraining myself, for now.
n2ize
04-09-2007, 11:15 PM
Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ April 09 2007,15:34)]If anyone knows about nappy its the I man. #Just look at his dome.
IF that is what he believes then why should he apologize at all. #After all is he is on sat Radio last time I heard and not on FCC Reg Speak stations. #Hell from what I understand he can say and do just about anything he wants.
BUT did they have nappy hair and if so what are they bitching about. #If you have a wild dome you have a wild dome. #Dont whine if someone points it out to ya.
N5LRZ
No, he referred to them as "nappy head hos". So according to Imus they are not only "nappy haired" but they are also "hos", i,e prostitutes, hookers, whores.
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ April 09 2007,19:07)]Quote[/b] (nx6d @ April 09 2007,15:44)]Quote[/b] (K2WH @ April 09 2007,14:42)]IMUS is an idiot and needs to retire. He's not funny and lame anyway. Time to go to the farm.
K2WH
*GASP*
I agree with Whiskey Hotel! Will wonders never cease...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
This may be a first, make that three. Yes, I have more to add, I am restraining myself, for now.
Same here. Had to take a nitro pill!
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
KC7ATO
04-09-2007, 11:23 PM
Maybe Imus and "Nick the Greek" should team up and do research on "Foot in Mouth Disease".
ab8ro
04-09-2007, 11:27 PM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 08 2007,17:15)]Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ April 09 2007,15:34)]If anyone knows about nappy its the I man. #Just look at his dome.
IF that is what he believes then why should he apologize at all. #After all is he is on sat Radio last time I heard and not on FCC Reg Speak stations. #Hell from what I understand he can say and do just about anything he wants.
BUT did they have nappy hair and if so what are they bitching about. #If you have a wild dome you have a wild dome. #Dont whine if someone points it out to ya.
N5LRZ
No, he referred to them as "nappy head hos". So according to Imus they are not only "nappy haired" but they are also "hos", i,e prostitutes, hookers, whores.
When I was in the service I would often overhear the phrase "where da hos be at?", which I translated, perhaps incorrectly, to "where are the women?"
As far as I could tell, the meaning seemed to encompass more than just hooker, or loose woman.
I suppose it's perceived as pejorative, but I don't believe he was really suggesting that they were sexually promiscuous per se. It's like saying a young lady is "softball cute", or something like that.
But, for what it's worth, I thought it was pretty funny in a politically correct sort of way. Whether the guy is a good sportscaster or not, I have no idea, I don't watch sports.
n2ize
04-09-2007, 11:38 PM
Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ April 09 2007,16:27)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 08 2007,17:15)]Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ April 09 2007,15:34)]If anyone knows about nappy its the I man. #Just look at his dome.
IF that is what he believes then why should he apologize at all. #After all is he is on sat Radio last time I heard and not on FCC Reg Speak stations. #Hell from what I understand he can say and do just about anything he wants.
BUT did they have nappy hair and if so what are they bitching about. #If you have a wild dome you have a wild dome. #Dont whine if someone points it out to ya.
N5LRZ
No, he referred to them as "nappy head hos". So according to Imus they are not only "nappy haired" but they are also "hos", i,e prostitutes, hookers, whores.
When I was in the service I would often overhear the phrase "where da hos be at?", which I translated, perhaps incorrectly, to "where are the women?"
As far as I could tell, the meaning seemed to encompass more than just hooker, or loose woman.
I suppose it's perceived as pejorative, but I don't believe he was really suggesting that they were sexually promiscuous per se. It's like saying a young lady is "softball cute", or something like that.
But, for what it's worth, I thought it was pretty funny in a politically correct sort of way. Whether the guy is a good sportscaster or not, I have no idea, I don't watch sports.
Uh, I don't know about you, but where I come from "ho" does NOT mean "a cute young lady" or anything even close. . Round these parts you call a "lady" a "ho" and you'll get either a hard slap in the face, a kick to the groin, or beat up by her boyfriend or husband. Round here women call other women "hos" when they hate each other. #Thems fightin words. Around here "hos" strictly means the gals who walk the streets late at night around Hunts Point and similar areas.
Now I don't know where Imus originates from but if he is from New York or has spent any time in and around New York then he darned well knows what the word "ho" means.
KD6NIG
04-10-2007, 12:27 AM
It would be a heck of a way to get out of his contract if he wanted to retire though.
Its not the first time he or one of his staff has done that though.
I'm surprised one of them didn't fire back with what he looks like or sounds, though. Like I said in the other thread, I listened to his 'show' back in 1995 or so when I only had AM in my work truck, and he sounded like a smoker on the way to the grave then already. I was surprised to hear he was still on the air.
Retiring may be a good option.
KI4ITV
04-10-2007, 12:45 AM
Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ April 09 2007,10:53)]The foot in mouth illness most be going arourd, First Newt, now Imus. Whos next, Bush, Clinton, Obama, McCain, or Rush.
I always found it amazing that some people can still put their foot in their mouth with their head up their @ss.
KF0RT
04-10-2007, 12:46 AM
30+ years ago, my brother and I used to send letters back and forth via audio tape. He was in NJ and would sometimes play a little Imus on the tape. Imus was on one of the big NYC stations then. I recall it as being pretty funny, but then a lot can change in 30 years. Somewhere around here, I have archive copies of all the tape.
73, Rob
KW4MW
04-10-2007, 01:20 AM
I am barely aware of who Imus is - saw him briefly a couple of times while channel surfing. He didn't impress me much as either a journalist or an entertainer - just some old coot wearing a cowboy hat and trying to be wise. So he calls some kids on a womans basketball team "nappy-headed hos" and he expects that to be taken as a joke. You can add stupid to his resume. The latest is that CBS and MSNBC are suspending him for two weeks. As far as I'm concerned they should fire him outright anf put something meaningful in that time slot.
Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ April 08 2007,19:20)]#As far as I'm concerned they should fire him outright anf put something meaningful in that time slot.
GLENN BECK OH YEA!
ab8ro
04-10-2007, 01:39 AM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 08 2007,17:38)]Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ April 09 2007,16:27)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 08 2007,17:15)]Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ April 09 2007,15:34)]If anyone knows about nappy its the I man. #Just look at his dome.
IF that is what he believes then why should he apologize at all. #After all is he is on sat Radio last time I heard and not on FCC Reg Speak stations. #Hell from what I understand he can say and do just about anything he wants.
BUT did they have nappy hair and if so what are they bitching about. #If you have a wild dome you have a wild dome. #Dont whine if someone points it out to ya.
N5LRZ
No, he referred to them as "nappy head hos". So according to Imus they are not only "nappy haired" but they are also "hos", i,e prostitutes, hookers, whores.
When I was in the service I would often overhear the phrase "where da hos be at?", which I translated, perhaps incorrectly, to "where are the women?"
As far as I could tell, the meaning seemed to encompass more than just hooker, or loose woman.
I suppose it's perceived as pejorative, but I don't believe he was really suggesting that they were sexually promiscuous per se. It's like saying a young lady is "softball cute", or something like that.
But, for what it's worth, I thought it was pretty funny in a politically correct sort of way. Whether the guy is a good sportscaster or not, I have no idea, I don't watch sports.
Uh, I don't know about you, but where I come from "ho" does NOT mean "a cute young lady" or anything even close. . Round these parts you call a "lady" a "ho" and you'll get either a hard slap in the face, a kick to the groin, or beat up by her boyfriend or husband. Round here women call other women "hos" when they hate each other. #Thems fightin words. Around here "hos" strictly means the gals who walk the streets late at night around Hunts Point and similar areas.
Now I don't know where Imus originates from but if he is from New York or has spent any time in and around New York then he darned well knows what the word "ho" means.
See, it's all in the tone and context. Maybe it's no different than other words reserved by african americans for their own use that can either be extremely pejorative or something less so.
Or, there are even words that cross cultural lines that we use in the same way. For example, we might say, "that's one crazy motherf***er", and this might be perceived as a compliment, for example, if it were said after a particularly daring act. However, if we said, "stfu motherf***er", this is a pejorative use of the word.
Indeed, while the urban dictionary has 92 definitions for the word ho, and most refer to slut or prostitute, some do not.
Quote[/b] ]
10. ho
109 up, 41 down
Woman
Being a woman is the sole requisite for being a "ho".
She's a ho.
I dated that fat ho.
You's a ho.
I'm serious. I've heard both the phrase "ho", and "nappy headed ho" used in similar contexts and, while I don't think that language has much place on television, and I wouldn't use it myself, in context I don't think that the definition of whore was being implied.
It was definitely an insult, but not the kind of "uber insult" that people are making it out to be. It is likely the kind of term you might hear among a group of, well, "nappy headed hos!"
Is it politically correct, no, of course not. Is it insensitive, yeah, pretty much. Was misogynistic, probably. Does the rutger's team appear to be hard looking tatooed females who might inspire the phrase "nappy headed hos", maybe. Here's a group of girls who don't inspire the phrase "nappy headed hos"
http://www.malone.edu/media/1/4/30/2006_Womens_Basketball_Team_Photo.JPG
Did imus really grasp the full potential insult factor of the phrase, or was he just, as he says, trying to be funny. I think he was just trying to be funny. It was a pretty stupid thing to say, but, I don't really think that he was ACTUALLY saying anything about the sexual habits of the team.
So, is it the nappy-headed or the 'ho' part they find objectionable? ;>
Seriously, there's a language problem with such epithets: there's no comparable, pejorative terms for whites; "honky", "cracker"...pretty lame by comparison when calling a black by the "n" word. (You have to be careful about the spelling, though: the word, niggardly (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/niggardly), is a politically-correct term.)
n2ize
04-10-2007, 02:48 AM
Belive me, if Imus is from NYC then he knows what "ho" means. There is only one meaning for the word "ho" around here and it means whore. Perhaps the semantics vary in different places and in different circumstances. But the only context I have ever heard the word used round here is to mean "prostitute".
I am gathering that "nappy-headed" means that you have kinky hair? I always thought it meant that your hair was mussed up, and I used the phrase "nappy-head" to tell someone their hair was messed up by a hat or whatnot. Have I been putting myself at risk because I cannot tell the correct PC speak of the day?
This is really a doubleplusgood development for America. I am sure we will all get along better now.
KE5FRF
04-10-2007, 03:22 AM
This kind of reminds me of something that happened to me at work a few months back.
I was repairing a lube oil analyzer for a lab technician at my facility who happens to be African American. The fault turned out to me "operator error" (non-mechanical/procedural in nature)...Anyway, I like to kid around with people, and I consider this fellow a friend, not in a personal way, but we get along very well. I explained to him that he had made a mistake and the machine was working OK, I gave him a friendly "noogie" (didn't really rub his head, just pretended to). This is something I've done to a million other people without a moment of hesitation. Just a friendly knuckle rub accompanied by some kind of joking remark.
Well, another coworker's eyes went wide, and a little while later, he pulled me aside to tell me I shouldn't do that because some might think it is "racist". It took a second, but I knew what he was referring to. But I also knew that my action was in NO WAY meant that way. Heck, I give my son noogies all the time, and give friends pretend noogies to be silly when they do something funny or forgetful. I never even thought about it being offensive to anyone. Kind of shows how PC-ness can run amuck to the point of friendly gestures being misconstrued.
Anyway, certainly Imus's comment wasn't misconstrued. He definately said it for the shock value. But still, the media overplays stuff like this and blows it out of proportion. The reality is, the market ought to be the force that punishes Imus. The producers of his show ought to be looking for jobs right now. But playing this up in the media only serves to get people ticked off for no real reason.
WA3WDR
04-10-2007, 01:40 PM
Quote[/b] ]The Reverend Jesse Jackson says a two-week suspension for Don Imus isn't good enough. He calls the suspension "a slap on the wrist." And instead of just taking time off, Jackson says Imus needs "serious sensitivity training."
Not to totally knock the guy, but Jesse Jackson is the one who dropped the infamous "Hymietown" comment.
The truth is that people have background racist feelings, and they come out in humor and such. #Jackson is not some subway hoodlum, and either is Imus. #The race issue is a major pain, and it's not going away real fast. #Still, we no longer have apartheid and 'separate but equal' in this country, so things are getting better.
Imus has done many major fundraisers for hospitals, and he runs a 'ranch' for sick kids, and it is not some shady Michael Jackson thing either. #I have no doubt that the Imus 'ranch' is happy to have kids of all races, colors and creeds. #What happened here is that he went way overboard on some silly inner-city style street talk, and it was highly inappropriate because it was racist, and because it smeared a girls basketball team. #But this is an aberration - neither of these things are what Imus has really been about.
And of course Mr. Sharpton is playing this for all the mileage he can get, just like he played the Tawana Brawley fraud years ago. #So what.
(aberration, not abberation)
n2ize
04-10-2007, 01:46 PM
I'll bet if Imus referred to a nice all white girls high school basketball team from a nice upscaie community as "ho's" he would be fired today and political correctness would not even be an issue let alone mentioned.
ab8ro
04-10-2007, 01:57 PM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 09 2007,07:46)]I'll bet if Imus referred to a nice all white girls high school basketball team from a nice upscaie community as "ho's" he would be fired today and political correctness would not even be an issue let alone mentioned.
Ah, but is that because they are white? Or, is that because the comment is out of context? Seriously, it's much like the school teach who used the phrase "nigga please" with his black students who also used the phrase.
Ho is a generic gutter word like f**k. Go read some rap lyrics. Here you go:
Quote[/b] ]
This is for my hoes who love d**k
And be bout that thug ####
Ain't with that stuntin and they just ready to f**k quick
This is for my hoes who smoke joe
Go to the club and wope hoes
And was by her man side when he went to take his Josce
This is for all them Lil juveniles
You think Lil Boosie on file
Short Red with that ghetto a** style
This is for my hoes who steal close
And keep they man lookin fresh
This is for my hoes who love that nigga and tape they name to they chest
There are a variety of contexts in just this phrase from one rap "song."
It wasn't mean to be a compliment, but people are making a really big deal out of what was intended to be comedy and what is common street language.
Of course what Imus said was wrong, but don't blacks have bigger problems.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion....nt.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/04/10/2007-04-10_a_dangerous_detour_print.html)
n2ize
04-10-2007, 02:56 PM
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ April 10 2007,07:18)]Of course what Imus said was wrong, but don't blacks have bigger problems.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion....nt.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/04/10/2007-04-10_a_dangerous_detour_print.html)
So when someone makes a racist remark and black people respond to it they are unnsure of themsellves ahnnd should be focussing on other problems. Either way they are always doing the worng thing and always have their heads in the wrong place at the wrong time.
k0ews
04-10-2007, 03:28 PM
What irks me isn't so much what Imus said, it was bad; we can all agree on that. Same thing with Michael Richardson last fall. What gets me is all of this "outrage." We are, for some reason, outraged because of what Imus says. However, we're not at the same time outraged at the use of those words and that vocabulary in every day language of many black people. Why is it that when we have an episode such as this, Jackson and Sharpton are on the news and all hell is breaking loose, but when Bill Cosby calls the black community on their behavior and language, he's shouted down? Where is the outrage from Sharpton and Jackson on the use of those terms within the black community? The one person I respect in all of this is probably Oprah Winfrey, as she's at least consistent. I What Imus said was poor, no question, but let's be consistent and expect that everyone cease to use that language. After all, it's common language in rap and hip hop music. Where do you think Imus probably learned those words? If we are going to demand this standard for Imus, why not suspend Fifty Cent, Snoop Dog and all the others for their use of the words too?
To me, this is more than the "words" that were used. Yeah "everybody" uses them.
No. This is words used towards certain individuals. When a rapper uses "Hos" in a song, he does not say "Those Hos on the Rutgers Basketball Team". They aren't singling out certain people.
If a national figure, such as Imus, singled out MY children to say anything the least bit improper, I would be livid. I really don't care if they simply said my child was somewhat impolite. Much less the nasty stuff he actually said about someone else's children.
So, put yourselves in those family's shoes. Would you want those things said about your loved ones specifically? I really would like to know who would enjoy that.
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 10 2007,07:56)]Quote[/b] (K3XR @ April 10 2007,07:18)]Of course what Imus said was wrong, but don't blacks have bigger problems.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion....nt.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/04/10/2007-04-10_a_dangerous_detour_print.html)
So when someone makes a racist remark and black people respond to it they are unnsure #of themsellves ahnnd should be focussing on other problems. Either way they are always doing the worng thing and always have their heads in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The view you want to criticize, in the NY Daily News article, is the view of a black man, with a rather impressive record, unlike the race baiters and race hustlers in the form of the Rev's Sharpton and Jackson.
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/mcwhorter.htm
KG6QHK
04-10-2007, 04:18 PM
For those who don't know, or don't remember:
Don Imus is NOT the one on Sirius, that's Howard Stern. Don Imus is still in syndication, on terrestrial radio and television. (But I can see where some might confuse the two!)
What we're dealing with here is just another example of how WORDS can play a role in the divisiveness between two cultures. Here we stand:
Don Imus referred to the Rutgers female ball-players as "nappy-headed hos". It was done in jest, as part of his daily radio show. (No, I'm NOT excusing what he said, just setting the stage.) Now, some in the African-American community are all up in a tizzy regarding his statements, and rightly so. BUT!
Here we go, right back to the "N" word argument. It's just fine for one African-American to say to another; "Wazzup, mah (N)?", but let a white American say the same thing, in the SAME context, and it's Racism. Now apply the Imus statement. I have personally heard one African-American say those words to another. But again, let a white person say it, and again, the African American community cries "RACISM!"
Let me posite this to you: For one group of people to seek to limit another's freedom of speech, based upon the color of their skin, what would you call that? Hmm.......
I for one don't use ANY of these perjorative terms, because I believe that people are capable of being nuckleheads REGARDLESS of their color or gender. However, I do NOT agree with someone being told what I can and can't say because someone 200 years ago was an unenlightened moron.
Food for thought, everyone. If we were ALL a bit more considerate and sympathetic, we might not end up in this conundrum at all. Imagine that!
Anytime, ANYONE, uses that kind a language to describe other people it's wrong. Period.
Especially with someone with as wide an audience as Don Imus. We can sit and talk about the "they do it too" thing until we're blue, but it doesn't excuse a nationally syndicated radio and TV host from using racial slurs.
The problem with this kind of thing is if allowed to continue without protest, it becomes mainstreamed. I've seen this happen with a lot of things repeated in the media. If the populace hears something enough times, they will tend to think the comment is "true".
Sorry, I don't buy the "just a joke" thing. Imus said a really stupid thing and should pay the price just like Michael Richards after his idiotic comments to his audience.
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ April 10 2007,03:02)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 10 2007,07:56)]Quote[/b] (K3XR @ April 10 2007,07:18)]Of course what Imus said was wrong, but don't blacks have bigger problems.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion....nt.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/04/10/2007-04-10_a_dangerous_detour_print.html)
So when someone makes a racist remark and black people respond to it they are unnsure of themsellves ahnnd should be focussing on other problems. Either way they are always doing the worng thing and always have their heads in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The view you want to criticize, in the NY Daily News article, is the view of a black man, with a rather impressive record, unlike the race baiters and race hustlers in the form of the Rev's Sharpton and Jackson.
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/mcwhorter.htm
Apparently "Ho's" does not sound offensive to "McWhorter". Did Imus call him "nappy headed?" Did he comment how he would like to be personally referred to as "nappy headed?"
No.
That is the problem with so many in the debate. They do not debate the real issues. Danno loves to post garbage that has nothing to do with the topic. Not one moment does he say his opinion on the personal attack that had occurred.
This is an issue of name calling.
Quote[/b] ]Imus has been suspended for two weeks for calling the Rutgers female basketball players "nappy-headed hos.''
Link (http://www.dailymail.com/story/Entertainment/200704102/Rutgers-basketball-coach-Imus-remarks-despicable/)
Imus must be a Wrecked Rhodes Scholar.
W0BKR
04-10-2007, 04:38 PM
It was stupid and amount of press it is receiving is just as bad...
Guy is a mouth.
The offended "party" should consider the source and move on..
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
Imus does have a point which he brought up on Sharpton's show yesterday. People like Sharpton and Jackson have absolutely no problem with rappers and others referring to women as "Ho's", most of the time worse, 20-30 times in a song, but their panties get twisted when anybody not on their "approved", (meaning most white people) list uses the phraseology.
I think Imus's statements were stupid and indefensible.
I'd also like to see the black community get all worked up and call for the firings of the CEO's of BET, Sony Music, MTV, or the rapper du jour when said rapper uses the same verbiage in his/her "songs".
Until then Al and Jesse, sit down and shut up. You're the worst kind of hypocrites.
Al Sharpton, you be the judge??
http://dickpolman.blogspot.com/2007....nd.html (http://dickpolman.blogspot.com/2007/04/al-sharpton-of-all-people-as-judge-and.html)
kk7ue
04-11-2007, 01:37 AM
Don who? Don Ho? Now, what would Don Ho think of this? Oh yeah, this is over Imanassinthemorning. The wrinkled old turkeyneck has been said something to offend Al Sharpton? So what? That guy (Al Sharpton) has zero credibility outside of the race-baiting circles he revolves in. Such a non story in light of whats really going on in the world.
Now, the parents of the girls on the team have something to be pissed about, but thats as far as it should go. Let them deal with Imanassinthemorning. I quit listening to the guy years ago when I developed critical thinking skills that showed me what a maroon he, and like minded people, are.
Oh yeah, and a big Glenn Beck OH YEAH to all I offend with MY point of view. Sorry, get over it. Wish Sharpton could get a real cause to back.
Just to make sure you understand; I think what he said was stupid and wrong. It will cost him somehow, and it will be a good lesson to him on consequences of actions. Just enjoy the Imanassinthemorning free-zone while it lasts # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
KD6NIG
04-11-2007, 01:44 AM
I think its pretty simple. Everyone talks about what if it was them that was called that.
If Imus has a wife, just have him go home and call her that. The punishment he'll receive from that will more than suffice.
Any married man here KNOWS what would happen if we even THOUGHT about doing that http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
KI4ITV
04-11-2007, 01:56 AM
Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ April 10 2007,13:44)]<snip>
Any married man here KNOWS what would happen if we even THOUGHT about doing that http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
That is so true, I can see me now...
"Hey honey, how about some frozen sex after that frozen dinner?"
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
N5NPO
04-11-2007, 02:29 AM
There is a double standard in the U.S. Get used to it, it is not likely to go away any time soon. Some people have full 1st amendment rights and some do not. Some people have the right to offend but not be offended. Some have neither the right to offend or to get offended.
No equal justice/treatment under the law or public opinion it would seem.
What happend to judging by content of character and not color (appearance) of skin. If Imus were black this forum topic would not exist.
If you do not have anything good to say about someone, then it is best not say anything. That is just good manners. I hope Imus has learned something.
Accepting genuine appoligies is also good manners.
I do not belive that Rev. Sharpton or Rev. Jackson are as interested in getting apologies or amends from Imus for the basketball team as they are scoring points with others in the "civil rights" (for certain people) crowd. This means "getting" Imus or taking him down in the form of he losing his job.
I am not an Imus fan. I know scant little about him. I do not think he used good taste or judgement saying what he said. I also belive he has the right to say it as well as catch whatever critisism for what he said, unlike some others who seem to be above critisism because of no other decernable reason other than their race.
I am unaware of either the Rev. Sharpton or Rev. Jackson being critical of muscians or other artists (one could stretch artists to include Imus in my opinion) who have used the same words or language.
What can be done about the double standard?
This "neo-con's" opinion.
kf6rdn
04-11-2007, 02:45 AM
Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 09 2007,19:22)]But playing this up in the media only serves to get people ticked off for no real reason.
But what IS the "media"? It's a business, their business is to gather viewers/listeners/readers.
Sensationalism sells.
So what the media AUGHT to be doing is different.
Are you a shareholder? Then they're doing what they AUGHTA.
What you said - getting people ticked off is unfortunately what they do best, which also ends up getting stupid laws passed, stupid people hyped and stupid polititions elected.
In this, as in everything, vote with your wallet - don't watch media that keeps harping on such things. I don't. As well I tune the knob when Anna news come on and other such drivel.
KD6NIG
04-11-2007, 02:48 AM
News 10 Story (http://www.news10.net/display_story.aspx?storyid=26477)
Shows you what I know.
Apparantly Imus got his start in Stockton, California of all places (where I live) and got fired for some comment from the radio station here.
The Sacramento news station News 10 did a story on him about 12 years ago.
Yep, hes been the way he is now for a long time http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ April 10 2007,18:45)]In this, as in everything, vote with your wallet - don't watch media that keeps harping on such things.
Well... vote for individual liberty. Your wallet is just part of your liberty.
Imus, at the bottom of the pile when it comes to ratings. #It appears the D.C. crowd and the LIB media types are regulars on his show.
http://newsbusters.org/node/11957
Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ April 10 2007,18:29)]There is a double standard in the U.S. Get used to it, it is not likely to go away any time soon. Some people have full 1st amendment rights and some do not. Some people have the right to offend but not be offended. Some have neither the right to offend or to get offended.
No equal justice/treatment under the law or public opinion it would seem.
What happend to judging by content of character and not color (appearance) of skin. If Imus were black this forum topic would not exist.
If you do not have anything good to say about someone, then it is best not say anything. That is just good manners. I hope Imus has learned something.
Accepting genuine appoligies is also good manners.
I do not belive that Rev. Sharpton or Rev. Jackson are as interested in getting apologies or amends from Imus for the basketball team as they are scoring points with others in the "civil rights" (for certain people) crowd. This means "getting" Imus or taking him down in the form of he losing his job.
I am not an Imus fan. I know scant little about him. I do not think he used good taste or judgement saying what he said. I also belive he has the right to say it as well as catch whatever critisism for what he said, unlike some others who seem to be above critisism because of no other decernable reason other than their race.
I am unaware of either the Rev. Sharpton or Rev. Jackson being critical of muscians or other artists (one could stretch artists to include Imus in my opinion) who have used the same words or language.
What can be done about the double standard?
This "neo-con's" opinion.
NPO, your post is complete BS. It's more of that "white victim" nonsense we see on here once in a while. Yes, if Imus were black, there'd be a long thread about the same comments made about white people. Get Real.
You guys are doing your best to cloud the issue and try to change the subject to Sharpton/Jackson/rappers and blacks.
The bottom line is still the same.
What Imus said was completely and totally WRONG and he should be fired for it. I am totally sick of shock jocks like Imus and Howard Stern. They exist because they have an audience of yahoos that believe the hate that they spew. It's more of that "It's just a joke" mentality. The reality is, these comments AREN'T just "jokes", this is how these idiots really feel. Having a platform on Westwood One or Sirius gives these guys a platform to spew their venom to the gullible masses, some of whom lap this stuff up like dogs on a slop pan.
One thing that disturbs me about this whole thing, is a lot of you are willing to paint the entire African-American community with the "rapper" brush. There aren't any blacks up here, but there is a large community in the Bay Area where I came from.
They suffer from institutional racism (kind of like NPO's post) and have their bad apples just like any other community. They do have neighborhood associations that are working hard to clean up their neighborhoods. The High St. neighborhood in Oakland is good example. The association has done a great job of getting rid of drug dealers and liquor stores in that neighborhood. There are now now thriving businesses in the area, including grocery stores and insurance offices.
Emeryville, CA is another example of urban renewal. San Pablo Ave from Berkeley to Emeryville used to be nothing but bars, shuttered businesses and hookers at night. In concert with the community (Emeryville is overwhelmingly black) and business interests, the area has transformed. They now have jobs, shopping and a much cleaner community. The hookers are now gone! Good for them.
What a lot of white America doesn't understand is many black people are really very conservative in their personal lives. They go to church and have families just like anyone else. What pushes them away form the "traditional values" crowd is the constant focus on the bad elements in their community and the blanket generalizations that get tossed on them. This debate on Imus is a case in point. Imus was the one who screwed up, yet how many posts are focusing on the African-American community?
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ April 08 2007,16:44)]Quote[/b] (K2WH @ April 09 2007,14:42)]IMUS is an idiot and needs to retire. #He's not funny and lame anyway. #Time to go to the farm.
K2WH
*GASP*
I agree with Whiskey Hotel! Will wonders never cease...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Dave -- 100% agree (original post and statement above)
Comment entirely inappropriate. #Besides, look at his pictures. #Does anyone beside me think this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black?
For those two young for that comment -- someone that ugly should not be pointing fingers
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ April 11 2007,06:56)]Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ April 10 2007,18:29)]There is a double standard in the U.S. Get used to it, it is not likely to go away any time soon. Some people have full 1st amendment rights and some do not. Some people have the right to offend but not be offended. Some have neither the right to offend or to get offended.
No equal justice/treatment under the law or public opinion it would seem.
What happend to judging by content of character and not color (appearance) of skin. If Imus were black this forum topic would not exist.
If you do not have anything good to say about someone, then it is best not say anything. That is just good manners. I hope Imus has learned something.
Accepting genuine appoligies is also good manners.
I do not belive that Rev. Sharpton or Rev. Jackson are as interested in getting apologies or amends from Imus for the basketball team as they are scoring points with others in the "civil rights" (for certain people) crowd. This means "getting" Imus or taking him down in the form of he losing his job.
I am not an Imus fan. I know scant little about him. I do not think he used good taste or judgement saying what he said. I also belive he has the right to say it as well as catch whatever critisism for what he said, unlike some others who seem to be above critisism because of no other decernable reason other than their race.
I am unaware of either the Rev. Sharpton or Rev. Jackson being critical of muscians or other artists (one could stretch artists to include Imus in my opinion) who have used the same words or language.
What can be done about the double standard?
This "neo-con's" opinion.
NPO, your post is complete BS. It's more of that "white victim" nonsense we see on here once in a while. Yes, if Imus were black, there'd be a long thread about the same comments made about white people. Get Real.
You guys are doing your best to cloud the issue and try to change the subject to Sharpton/Jackson/rappers and blacks.
The bottom line is still the same.
What Imus said was completely and totally WRONG and he should be fired for it. I am totally sick of shock jocks like Imus and Howard Stern. They exist because they have an audience of yahoos that believe the hate that they spew. It's more of that "It's just a joke" mentality. The reality is, these comments AREN'T just "jokes", this is how these idiots really feel. Having a platform on Westwood One or Sirius gives these guys a platform to spew their venom to the gullible masses, some of whom lap this stuff up like dogs on a slop pan.
One thing that disturbs me about this whole thing, is a lot of you are willing to paint the entire African-American community with the "rapper" brush. There aren't any blacks up here, but there is a large community in the Bay Area where I came from.
They suffer from institutional racism (kind of like NPO's post) and have their bad apples just like any other community. They do have neighborhood associations that are working hard to clean up their neighborhoods. The High St. neighborhood in Oakland is good example. The association has done a great job of getting rid of drug dealers and liquor stores in that neighborhood. There are now now thriving businesses in the area, including grocery stores and insurance offices.
Emeryville, CA is another example of urban renewal. San Pablo Ave from Berkeley to Emeryville used to be nothing but bars, shuttered businesses and hookers at night. In concert with the community (Emeryville is overwhelmingly black) and business interests, the area has transformed. They now have jobs, shopping and a much cleaner community. The hookers are now gone! Good for them.
What a lot of white America doesn't understand is many black people are really very conservative in their personal lives. They go to church and have families just like anyone else. What pushes them away form the "traditional values" crowd is the constant focus on the bad elements in their community and the blanket generalizations that get tossed on them. This debate on Imus is a case in point. Imus was the one who screwed up, yet how many posts are focusing on the African-American community?
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Exposing a double standard does not cloud the issue unless you don't want it exposed.
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ April 11 2007,06:09)]
K3XR:
Quote[/b] ]Exposing a double standard does not cloud the issue unless you don't want it exposed.
The issue is Imus and what he said, not Jackson and Sharpton. You yourself, said Imus was wrong. I don't see any linkeage between Imus and the supposed "double standard".
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
KG6QHK
04-11-2007, 03:08 PM
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ April 11 2007,07:44)]
K3XR:
Quote[/b] ]Exposing a double standard does not cloud the issue unless you don't want it exposed.
The issue is Imus and what he said, not Jackson and Sharpton. You yourself, said Imus was wrong. I don't see any linkeage between Imus and the supposed "double standard".
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Dave, don't you though? It's not okay for Imus to say it, and he gets crucified on the public cross, but when the rappers say these things, it's perfectly fine. I don't see Sharpton or Jackson making a big fuss about THEM! I don't see Jackson leading a protest march in front of the record labels that put out and sell this kind of intra-cultural hate speech!
Yes, Imus was wrong. Plain and simple. He deserves whatever he gets, the guy has been a total nipplehead (if that word offends, lemme know and I will edit..) since he started out here in Cali. BUT, let's be fair here. Al Sharpton is THE LAST person to be able to be sitting in judgement of ANYONE, let alone Don Imus. As for Jesse Jackson, HE'S no saint either.
KD6NIG
04-11-2007, 03:24 PM
No, the issues are:
1) Yes, there is a double standard.
2) Because of #1, IMUS SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS.
3) Since he knew that was the standard, he shouldn't have done it.
Thats what everyone is saying. You can debate the standard till you're blue in the face. But the bottom line is, thats the standard. You can fight it till you're blue in the face.
But in the court of public opinion, thats the standard, its been the standard for a while, and thats the one that will be upheld.
White people using terms that "rappers" use all the time is a no-no. That landmine has been established by many before the "I-Man". He planted his foot squarely on it after knowing it was there.
The court of public opinion has found him guilty. It will be up to that same public to see what the fines are. The loss of advertisers and 2 weeks 'vacation' are the first of many to be levied, I'm sure.
It will be up to that same court of opinion to see if he remains viable. His ratings will jump a little because of this, because people will listen to see if he does it again, and to chortle with glee when people call in and make "comments".
We'll see if hes around in a month, or if like Stern, he goes to a Sat service..... and if so, if hes accepted there or not.
Rush on Imus.
http://www.newsmax.com/scripts....ge=http (http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/printer_friendly.pl?page=http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/4/11/93645.shtml?s=ic)
Quote[/b] (KG6QHK @ April 11 2007,07:08)]Quote[/b] (nx6d @ April 11 2007,07:44)]Quote[/b] (K3XR @ April 11 2007,06:09)]
K3XR:
Quote[/b] ]Exposing a double standard does not cloud the issue unless you don't want it exposed.
The issue is Imus and what he said, not Jackson and Sharpton. You yourself, said Imus was wrong. I don't see any linkeage between Imus and the supposed "double standard".
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Dave, don't you though? It's not okay for Imus to say it, and he gets crucified on the public cross, but when the rappers say these things, it's perfectly fine. I don't see Sharpton or Jackson making a big fuss about THEM! I don't see Jackson leading a protest march in front of the record labels that put out and sell this kind of intra-cultural hate speech!
Yes, Imus was wrong. Plain and simple. He deserves whatever he gets, the guy has been a total nipplehead (if that word offends, lemme know and I will edit..) since he started out here in Cali. BUT, let's be fair here. Al Sharpton is THE LAST person to be able to be sitting in judgement of ANYONE, let alone Don Imus. As for Jesse Jackson, HE'S no saint either.
JP:
I think you're missing the point. There's no connection between Imus' comments and Sharpton/Jackson. That's a subject for another thread.
The focus is on Imus and his stupid comments. He should be fired. Period.
On another note, I've got lots of dead relatives buried around Madera. Madera sure has changed a lot since the '60's! My Dad had to arrange for some graves to be moved when they built a reservoir down there, the name escapes me. Hensley, as in Hensley Lake is one of our family names from the past.
When you get on HF, let me know. I'm sure I can work you on 40 and 75 from up here in Modoc County...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
ab8ro
04-11-2007, 03:40 PM
Quote[/b] (KG6QHK @ April 10 2007,09:08)]Quote[/b] (nx6d @ April 11 2007,07:44)]Quote[/b] (K3XR @ April 11 2007,06:09)]
K3XR:
Quote[/b] ]Exposing a double standard does not cloud the issue unless you don't want it exposed.
The issue is Imus and what he said, not Jackson and Sharpton. You yourself, said Imus was wrong. I don't see any linkeage between Imus and the supposed "double standard".
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Dave, don't you though? It's not okay for Imus to say it, and he gets crucified on the public cross, but when the rappers say these things, it's perfectly fine. I don't see Sharpton or Jackson making a big fuss about THEM! I don't see Jackson leading a protest march in front of the record labels that put out and sell this kind of intra-cultural hate speech!
Yes, Imus was wrong. Plain and simple. He deserves whatever he gets, the guy has been a total nipplehead (if that word offends, lemme know and I will edit..) since he started out here in Cali. BUT, let's be fair here. Al Sharpton is THE LAST person to be able to be sitting in judgement of ANYONE, let alone Don Imus. As for Jesse Jackson, HE'S no saint either.
This was what the article in the Kansas City newspaper was saying.
Quote[/b] ]
Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.
The bigots win again.
While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.
I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.
The guy apologized, his "career" will suffer, that's enough. Hour long press conferences about it? Puhleeze, it was an off hand comment made by a shock jock.
KC2KFC
04-11-2007, 03:50 PM
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ April 11 2007,08:37)]Quote[/b] (KG6QHK @ April 11 2007,07:08)]Quote[/b] (nx6d @ April 11 2007,07:44)]Quote[/b] (K3XR @ April 11 2007,06:09)]
K3XR:
Quote[/b] ]Exposing a double standard does not cloud the issue unless you don't want it exposed.
The issue is Imus and what he said, not Jackson and Sharpton. You yourself, said Imus was wrong. I don't see any linkeage between Imus and the supposed "double standard".
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Dave, don't you though? It's not okay for Imus to say it, and he gets crucified on the public cross, but when the rappers say these things, it's perfectly fine. I don't see Sharpton or Jackson making a big fuss about THEM! I don't see Jackson leading a protest march in front of the record labels that put out and sell this kind of intra-cultural hate speech!
Yes, Imus was wrong. Plain and simple. He deserves whatever he gets, the guy has been a total nipplehead (if that word offends, lemme know and I will edit..) since he started out here in Cali. BUT, let's be fair here. Al Sharpton is THE LAST person to be able to be sitting in judgement of ANYONE, let alone Don Imus. As for Jesse Jackson, HE'S no saint either.
JP:
I think you're missing the point. There's no connection between Imus' comments and Sharpton/Jackson. That's a subject for another thread.
The focus is on Imus and his stupid comments. He should be fired. Period.
On another note, I've got lots of dead relatives buried around Madera. Madera sure has changed a lot since the '60's! My Dad had to arrange for some graves to be moved when they built a reservoir down there, the name escapes me. Hensley, as in Hensley Lake is one of our family names from the past.
When you get on HF, let me know. I'm sure I can work you on 40 and 75 from up here in Modoc County...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
I have to disgree with you on this Dave. There is a linkage. Jackson and Sharpton seem to be the biggest critics here, but they've been known to say many anti-semitic comments. I don't think it's any different than Limbaugh criticizing drug abusers then going off and getting caught with his hand in the oxycotin jar. He now lacks credibility on the issue. I don't think Jackson and Sharpton have the credibility to be critics on this issue. For all the griping the easiest thing to do is just turn the dial. I don't think Imus has a big audience anyways.
KG6QHK
04-11-2007, 03:57 PM
Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ April 11 2007,08:50)]"Who wishes he had a nickel for everytime he heard someone reply to his call with "KILO CHARLIE TWO KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN". hi hi"
Well, you HAVE to admit that "KFC" is a WIDELY recognized abbreviation! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
k0ews
04-11-2007, 04:45 PM
What Imus did was bad, stupid, and just plain wrong. Even with the double standard, and yes one does exist, doesn't take from the fact that what Imus did was wrong. The Rutgers team was great this year, and their coach, C. Vivian Stringer is one of the classiest people on the planet. I've been a fan of hers since she was a coach at Iowa. That being said, he should not be fired. We live in America. I don't like Imus, and I don't like Stern, and I don't listen to them. They do, however, have a right to say what they want. If advertisers choose to pull their spots from Imus's program, that's their prerogative and the market will sort it out. That being said, we don't need people getting fired; we need people to make it right when they screw up. I think Imus should take a time out (2 weeks) and let it blow over. I think he should personally apologize to the girls on the Rutgers team, and make a sizable donation to their University, endowing a scholarship to be given to a qualified young lady.
Imus keeps his job, Rutgers gets some money for a deserving kid, and people are allowed to take something bad and make something good from it; and maybe, just maybe, Imus grows from this experience and changes his ways.
Can you say, "double standard".
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/007286.htm?print=1
KG6QHK
04-11-2007, 05:40 PM
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ April 11 2007,10:34)]Can you say, "double standard".
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/007286.htm?print=1
EXACTLY!
n4sva
04-11-2007, 05:48 PM
But NBC gives Michael Savage the immediate boot for far less than what Imus said. Go figure
ka5piu
04-11-2007, 05:54 PM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 09 2007,16:38)]Around here "hos" strictly means the gals who walk the streets late at night around Hunts Point and similar areas.
Hello.
I would go to Hunts Point to deliver produce to the market.
What is your excuse? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
n2ize
04-11-2007, 06:24 PM
Quote[/b] (k0ews @ April 10 2007,08:28)]
Quote[/b] ]
What irks me isn't so much what Imus said, it was bad; we can all agree on that. #Same thing with Michael Richardson last fall. What gets me is all of this "outrage." #We are, for some reason, outraged because of what Imus says. #However, we're not at the same time outraged at the use of those words and that vocabulary in every day language of many black people
Of course there is outrage. That should be no surprise. When a person of public significance such as a popular actor, nationally syndicated talk show host, politician,etc. make a racist and/or disrespectful remark it is going to impact the public far greater than if a person of little significance, like myself, make a similar or worst remark. When you are in the public spotlight more people hear you, what you say carries more weight, it going to be taken more seriously, and is going to draw far more comments (and criticism). It goes with the territory. If a person doesn;t like that, well, tough. That's how the world works. Become popular, dish out racism, insults, and disrespect, and expect to be criticized for it. If you want to have fun at someone else's expense fine, just be prepared to pay the piper afterwards.
As far as comedy goes I don't think comedy is an excuse for being a repulsive, arrogant, disrespecting slob/fool. There are many successfull comedians who have had perfectly successfull careers without having to resaort to sloppy name calling and disrespectfull racist remarks.
w5klb
04-11-2007, 06:29 PM
Dave, 6D
Sharpton and Jackson covering up for their own people's misdeeds and name calling is just as bad what Imus has done.
Hypocracy and unfairness seems to be the hallmarks of these two when it comes to certain "phraseology" among the black community.
Imus was very wrong. Jackson and Sharpton are very wrong also, yet you claim "no linkage."
If Jackson and Sharpton are going to issue certain social rules of what we "crackers" can or cannot say, they need to apply them to their own people as well. Let's all play by the same set of rules, whatayasay station?
KG6QHK
04-11-2007, 06:34 PM
Quote[/b] (w5klb @ April 11 2007,11:29)]Dave, 6D
Sharpton and Jackson covering up for their own people's misdeeds and name calling is just as bad what Imus has done.
Hypocracy and unfairness seems to be the hallmarks of these two when it comes to certain "phraseology" among the black community.
Imus was very wrong. Jackson and Sharpton are very wrong also, yet you claim "no linkage."
If Jackson and Sharpton are going to issue certain social rules of what we "crackers" can or cannot say, they need to apply them to their own people as well. Let's all play by the same set of rules, whatayasay station?
Station!
(Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey)
(Yes, I watched that corny movie too...)
W2ILP
04-11-2007, 06:39 PM
I know what 'ho' means...I also know what 'gung ho' means. They don't mean the same thing.
The NAACP wants Imus fired. I can't say that I blame them.....BUT...
In the early days of radio broadcasting many licensed radio operators. who were then required to control the microphone inputs for commercial radio stations could lose their licenses if they allowed stuff that was deemed inappropriate to be modulated over the air and transmitted. There were jokes by Edgar Bergan and by W.C. Fields that caused the studio "engineers" to shut down entire stations until it was certain that the offending individual was no longer at a microphone.
Years later program transmissions were delayed so that offensive stuff could be bleeped out before being aired.
There are some recordings that were unofficially made by studio "engineers" of the late famous Arthur Godfrey telling demeaning jokes about Blacks and Jews. They nearly got Arthur in trouble...but his defense rested on the fact that they were never broadcasted on the air and so weren't heard by the general public. Godfrey was the shock jock of his day and one of the first to sell stuff by critizsizing it. He was a lot like Andy Roony but he went further than Andy. Andy critizes lots of things ...but Arhur critisized the products of his own sponsors!
Godfrey was a ham in more ways than one!
The very purpose of "Shock Jocks" is to get the attention of the public...They usually don't care how they do it. Every time the FCC went after Howard Stern his pay rose and he could laugh all the way to the bank. Imus is no different...but I think he may be in trouble now...because it is becoming harder to get away with bigoted stuff these days. It is OK for private business to treat "minorities" unequitable ...but shock jocks are no longer given easy rein on insulting those same minorities.
Although I am of Jewish ancestry...I see nothing wrong with Jewish jokes...or Polish jokes ...or Amos and Andy jokes...or dumb blond Hungarian jokes ...or hot Latina jokes...or Black female basketball player jokes...but that is me. There are some people who seem to be always looking for a Gay Black Jewish cross-eyed midget... because they would like to laugh at one. This is because almost everyone could feel superior to such a person....and it would make their day. Maybe they will eventually see one on YourTube.
I guess I am a lot worse than the shock jocks or YourTube monstrosities because I don't get famous or paid for my jokes....I just use them to get your attention so you will read some of my more serious posts....I hope.
w2ilp (I Like People)....and people are funny...Different people are funny in different ways ...so Viva la difference!
This is just another ridicules double standard.. The only reason anyone is making a fus about this is because a white man said it.. Black youth refer to all women as ho If Jesse Jackson or Ron Artest would have made the same comment no one would have even blinked an eye. If the girls on the team can't take it tough! Your in the public spotlight and need to expect harsh comments and criticism once in a while. Either toughen up and grow a spine or go bury your head in the sand. One thing is for sure these girls are to thin skinned to be public figures.
"his comment might have scared me for life" oh please, Just cry me a river!
I've always disliked Imus because I considered him arrogant and ignorant, which is a bad combo. Still, I get no pleasure from seeing a non-racist man trashed by a vicious anti-Semite like Al Sharpton.
W2ILP
04-11-2007, 07:19 PM
You know that most humor is based on feeling superior to something or someone. If that was not the case there would be very few good jokes. The greatest feeling of superiority is when you can laugh at a joke told about the president of the United States. This takes a lot of superiority on the part of the one who laughs...because it is always easier to laugh at a homeless tramp as depicted by Charlie Chaplin in his early movies. Even during the Great Depression, when movie tickets cost only five cents, people could economically manage to laugh at Charlie. In my opinion we can all laugh at squinty faced bow-legged Imus the cowboy, who wears his hat in the studio, just as well as at any targets of his bigoted jokes. I don't think he cares if we laugh at him...He gets paid for that. I know it is not politically correct to laugh at Black sports figures...but heck they are getting paid one way or another. I didn't even know that Rutgers had a basketball team...so they are now getting a lot of publicity. I think it would be nice if the Black Rutgers team gracefully accepted Imus' apology and laughed it off...but now Sharpton wants to get into the act. He is funnier than the basketball gals ...if you don't take him seriously. That's show biz and his job is to defend all Blacks against bigotry...so he must go after all the ones who may be in the public eye...I wish he would go after the employment interviewers who won't hire Blacks...or the financial advisers, bank lenders, tax accountants, real estate steerers, credit card issuing phonies, telephone company reps, etc. who seem to cheat Blacks more than they cheat Whites every day. He can't easily pin those cheats down but he can go after Imus for a misguided two letter word. Yep...That's show biz!
w2ilp (I Laugh Politely)...but I don't want to sneer. The highest form of humor is not to laugh at just one person or one group of people...but to laugh at your whole society...THAT'S SATIRE!
W2ILP
04-11-2007, 07:33 PM
While I was typing here my XYL gave me the news that my cat had just peed in my favorite hat. She was laughing...but I wasn't. You see... This time the joke was on me. It is a good thing that there is no one to officially defend the cat...but I won't punish her. Cats pee on things they like so as to mark them as their property. Maybe the cat especially liked the hat because it was ours.
w2ilp (I Like Pussycats)
KI4ITV
04-11-2007, 08:00 PM
Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ April 11 2007,06:39)]<snip> There are some people who seem to be always looking for a Gay Black Jewish cross-eyed midget...<snip>
I think we have just identified the most powerful figure known in this politically correct universe.
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Quote[/b] (KI4ITV @ April 11 2007,12:00)]Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ April 11 2007,06:39)]<snip> There are some people who seem to be always looking for a Gay Black Jewish cross-eyed midget...<snip>
I think we have just identified the most powerful figure known in this politically correct universe.
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W2ILP
04-11-2007, 09:24 PM
You guys don't pay attention. #If you listen carefully to recordings of Jean Shepherd's WOR radio broadcasts you will find references to many types of prostitutes. He didn't call them hos but he described them in a provocative way. # Jean was a shock jock...who said lots of stuff after singing a wild version of the Sheik of Arabee.,,,and that was long before Arab sheiks might have been terrorists! Jean, K2ORS commented about the visual details of the white prostitutes that he had seen on the bus to Princeton, New Jersey on their way do tricks with the college boys. #I don't think this got him into very much trouble at the time...but I know he was asked to cool it because a lot of youngsters were listening to his broadcasts late after their bedtimes using hidden crystal sets and bed spring antennas.
w2ilp (I Listened Provoked)...and maybe that is what made some boys try to get into Princeton!
KI4ITV
04-11-2007, 09:44 PM
Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ April 11 2007,09:24)]You guys don't pay attention. If you listen carefully to recordings of Jean Shepherd's WOR radio broadcasts you will find references to many types of prostitutes. He didn't call them hos but he described them in a provocative way. Jean was a shock jock...who said lots of stuff after singing a wild version of the Sheik of Arabee.,,,and that was long before Arab sheiks might have been terrorists! Gene commented about the visual details of the white prostitutes that he had seen on the bus to Princeton, New Jersey on their way do tricks with the college boys. I don't think this got him into very much trouble at the time...but I know he was asked to cool it because a lot of youngsters were listening to his broadcasts late after their bedtimes using hidden crystal sets and bed spring antennas.
w2ilp (I Listened Provoked)...and maybe that is what made some boys try to get into Princeton!
It used to be that you knew your audience.
Now, with the proliferation of personal media, any one of us can call attention to anything we find objectionable and create whatever we want to out of it. If it bleeds, it...you know the rest.
People seem to be drawn to the agony of others, it really doesn't matter what it is. It could be racist comment, it could be your tortured life (that you created), it can also be that you wan't to see other people tortured by what you find objectionable.
This land is OUR land in ways Woody never dreamed of, we seem to share everything, mostly agony and defeat to be appreciated by all.
Thank you us, for allowing ourselves to be offended by what we created and allowing it to flourish.
reigning king of the commas,
Trey P.
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KD6NIG
04-11-2007, 10:09 PM
Quote[/b] (KI4ITV @ April 11 2007,14:44)]Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ April 11 2007,09:24)]You guys don't pay attention. If you listen carefully to recordings of Jean Shepherd's WOR radio broadcasts you will find references to many types of prostitutes. He didn't call them hos but he described them in a provocative way. Jean was a shock jock...who said lots of stuff after singing a wild version of the Sheik of Arabee.,,,and that was long before Arab sheiks might have been terrorists! Gene commented about the visual details of the white prostitutes that he had seen on the bus to Princeton, New Jersey on their way do tricks with the college boys. I don't think this got him into very much trouble at the time...but I know he was asked to cool it because a lot of youngsters were listening to his broadcasts late after their bedtimes using hidden crystal sets and bed spring antennas.
w2ilp (I Listened Provoked)...and maybe that is what made some boys try to get into Princeton!
It used to be that you knew your audience.
Now, with the proliferation of personal media, any one of us can call attention to anything we find objectionable and create whatever we want to out of it. If it bleeds, it...you know the rest.
People seem to be drawn to the agony of others, it really doesn't matter what it is. It could be racist comment, it could be your tortured life (that you created), it can also be that you wan't to see other people tortured by what you find objectionable.
This land is OUR land in ways Woody never dreamed of, we seem to share everything, mostly agony and defeat to be appreciated by all.
Thank you us, for allowing ourselves to be offended by what we created and allowing it to flourish.
reigning king of the commas,
Trey P.
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Add into that the proliferation of the internet; where stuff can be recorded, posted, and archived forever.
It used to be you could get taped, but only if someone happened to put you onto a cassette.
And even with those, you'd probably give a copy to your friend only.
It changes everything when your audio clip can reach the masses simply through email forwarding.....
n2ize
04-11-2007, 10:26 PM
Quote[/b] (KF6PYF @ April 11 2007,12:04)]This is just another ridicules double standard.. The only reason anyone is making a fus about this is because a white man said it.. #Black youth refer to all women as ho If Jesse Jackson or Ron Artest would have made the same comment no one would have even blinked an eye. #If the girls on the team can't take it tough! Your in the public spotlight and need to expect harsh comments and criticism once in a while. Either toughen up and grow a spine or go bury your head in the sand. One thing is for sure these girls are to thin skinned to be public figures.
"his comment might have scared me for life" oh please, Just cry me a river!
How would you like it if you had a daughter in some school on some team and some prominent talk show host named the specific school and the specific team your daughter was on and said, "the girls on X team at Y school are a bunch of whores". Would you like that ? Would you think it is acceptable ? Or would you think that the person who said it deserves a bit of backlash and public reprimand for his rude and extremely disrespectful comments ?
Maybe I was brought up wrong but I was taught that people should be treated with a little respect and dignity and poking disrespectful and rude comments at people is wrong, whether joking or not. Maybe I should change my ways and start making racist and disrespectful comments ? maybe that is the way to be to show I am not "politically correct" ? maybe I should learn to diss people ?
n2ize
04-11-2007, 10:30 PM
[quote=ka5piu,April 11 2007,10:54][quote=n2ize,April 09 2007,16:38]Around
n2ize
04-11-2007, 10:32 PM
Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ April 11 2007,10:54)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 09 2007,16:38)]Around here "hos" strictly means the gals who walk the streets late at night around Hunts Point and similar areas.
Hello.
I would go to Hunts Point to deliver produce to the market.
What is your excuse? # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
For the same reason as anyone else... To buy dope and find ho's. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
KI4ITV
04-11-2007, 10:45 PM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 11 2007,10:26)]Quote[/b] (KF6PYF @ April 11 2007,12:04)]This is just another ridicules double standard.. The only reason anyone is making a fus about this is because a white man said it.. Black youth refer to all women as ho If Jesse Jackson or Ron Artest would have made the same comment no one would have even blinked an eye. If the girls on the team can't take it tough! Your in the public spotlight and need to expect harsh comments and criticism once in a while. Either toughen up and grow a spine or go bury your head in the sand. One thing is for sure these girls are to thin skinned to be public figures.
"his comment might have scared me for life" oh please, Just cry me a river!
How would you like it if you had a daughter in some school on some team and some prominent talk show host named the specific school and the specific team your daughter was on and said, "the girls on X team at Y school are a bunch of whores". Would you like that ? Would you think it is acceptable ? Or would you think that the person who said it deserves a bit of backlash and public reprimand for his rude and extremely disrespectful comments ?
Maybe I was brought up wrong but I was taught that people should be treated with a little respect and dignity and poking disrespectful and rude comments at people is wrong, whether joking or not. Maybe I should change my ways and start making racist and disrespectful comments ? maybe that is the way to be to show I am not "politically correct" ? maybe I should learn to diss people ?
My very first thought after reading about this incedent (hint: I did not hear it personally) was, "wow, and he said this about someones daughter." It is truly sad that he would take the time to say something like this about someone elses daughter. On this we agree.
Where I leave you is that this is not about racism anymore. It is about Imus. We must create the most suffering for this man possible because that is what we want to see. Suffering and agony, for all to see, so that we may feel better about ourselves.
As much as I appreciate what you are saying, you are behind the curve now. We want blood, guts, gore and veins in our teeth...for this man to pay for our gratification.
It is not enough anymore to just be a sorry person, we have to WATCH you suffer because of your evil deeds.
We must make him pay, and we will pay to watch.
mostly in jest, but, you get my drift.
Merry Imus....( a special treat for the Libs)
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news....D=55152 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55152)
k6bbc
04-11-2007, 11:01 PM
I am often under the impression the black community is just waiting to be offended. I would suggest they clean their own house before they embark on a witch hunt of a shock-jock and a bad joke.
bbc
KI4ITV
04-11-2007, 11:04 PM
Quote[/b] (k6bbc @ April 11 2007,11:01)]I am often under the impression the black community is just waiting to be offended. I would suggest they clean their own house before they embark on a witch hunt of a shock-jock and a bad joke.
bbc
shhhh.
or you might be next.
(I'll email you in total agreement)
N5NPO
04-11-2007, 11:08 PM
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ April 11 2007,06:56)]Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ April 10 2007,18:29)]There is a double standard in the U.S. Get used to it, it is not likely to go away any time soon. Some people have full 1st amendment rights and some do not. Some people have the right to offend but not be offended. Some have neither the right to offend or to get offended.
No equal justice/treatment under the law or public opinion it would seem.
What happend to judging by content of character and not color (appearance) of skin. If Imus were black this forum topic would not exist.
If you do not have anything good to say about someone, then it is best not say anything. That is just good manners. I hope Imus has learned something.
Accepting genuine appoligies is also good manners.
I do not belive that Rev. Sharpton or Rev. Jackson are as interested in getting apologies or amends from Imus for the basketball team as they are scoring points with others in the "civil rights" (for certain people) crowd. This means "getting" Imus or taking him down in the form of he losing his job.
I am not an Imus fan. I know scant little about him. I do not think he used good taste or judgement saying what he said. I also belive he has the right to say it as well as catch whatever critisism for what he said, unlike some others who seem to be above critisism because of no other decernable reason other than their race.
I am unaware of either the Rev. Sharpton or Rev. Jackson being critical of muscians or other artists (one could stretch artists to include Imus in my opinion) who have used the same words or language.
What can be done about the double standard?
This "neo-con's" opinion.
NPO, your post is complete BS. It's more of that "white victim" nonsense we see on here once in a while. Yes, if Imus were black, there'd be a long thread about the same comments made about white people. Get Real.
You guys are doing your best to cloud the issue and try to change the subject to Sharpton/Jackson/rappers and blacks.
The bottom line is still the same.
What Imus said was completely and totally WRONG and he should be fired for it. I am totally sick of shock jocks like Imus and Howard Stern. They exist because they have an audience of yahoos that believe the hate that they spew. It's more of that "It's just a joke" mentality. The reality is, these comments AREN'T just "jokes", this is how these idiots really feel. Having a platform on Westwood One or Sirius gives these guys a platform to spew their venom to the gullible masses, some of whom lap this stuff up like dogs on a slop pan.
One thing that disturbs me about this whole thing, is a lot of you are willing to paint the entire African-American community with the "rapper" brush. There aren't any blacks up here, but there is a large community in the Bay Area where I came from.
They suffer from institutional racism (kind of like NPO's post) and have their bad apples just like any other community. They do have neighborhood associations that are working hard to clean up their neighborhoods. The High St. neighborhood in Oakland is good example. The association has done a great job of getting rid of drug dealers and liquor stores in that neighborhood. There are now now thriving businesses in the area, including grocery stores and insurance offices.
Emeryville, CA is another example of urban renewal. San Pablo Ave from Berkeley to Emeryville used to be nothing but bars, shuttered businesses and hookers at night. In concert with the community (Emeryville is overwhelmingly black) and business interests, the area has transformed. They now have jobs, shopping and a much cleaner community. The hookers are now gone! Good for them.
What a lot of white America doesn't understand is many black people are really very conservative in their personal lives. They go to church and have families just like anyone else. What pushes them away form the "traditional values" crowd is the constant focus on the bad elements in their community and the blanket generalizations that get tossed on them. This debate on Imus is a case in point. Imus was the one who screwed up, yet how many posts are focusing on the African-American community?
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
If the post has to stay on topic of what Imus said, then why do you go into telling about the "black community" not liking being painted with the "rapper" brush and how they have conservative personal lives, go to church, etc..?
Don't like it if I want to talk about the double standard that does exist? White victims exist too. Remember the white guy in the Twana B. case and how about the Duke LaCross team members? Were they not victims? Were they not white? Didn't that have bearing on the case? I belive it did.
By the way, I didn't paint "the Black Community" with the "rapper" brush. If you will read what I said, you will see that I said "muscians or other artists (one could stretch artists to include Imus in my opinion) who have used the same words or language." I didn't mention race.
I didn't mention the "Black Community". I mentioned the "civil rights" (for certain people) crowd.
I even started my post off with the double standard.
Not once did I condone what Imus said. He can say what he wants and he must pay the price, however, there is a double standard and this thread was started about what Imus said and not about what happens when any rapper uses those words, and many do, but who says anything about them unless some guy like Imus tries to use the same slang? You said:
"Yes, if Imus were black, there'd be a long thread about the same comments made about white people. Get Real."
How far do you think that would go? How many commedians use offensive language about whites? I haven't seen any threads on qrz about them.
Again, I was not making this about the Rev. Sharpton or the Rev. Jackson. I only mentioned their name as it applies to the double standard illistrated by them because of their inaction as it applies to the artists who use that type of language and worse but are not critisized.
I am not focusing on any "bad element" other than the double standard that exists.
So now Dave, lets try to focus now and I will recap....
It is about the Double standard. Some people have freedom of expression without critisisms and some do not. Some can be offended and some cannot. Too often it is based on ones skin color or racial background. What happened to judging by the content of ones character and not the color of ones skin....
DOUBLE STANDARDS AS THEY APPLY TO FREEDOM OF SPEACH ARE BAD!
This "neo-con's" "complete BS" opinion.
kg4llq
04-12-2007, 12:01 AM
There can be no excuse for using racial and gender slurs. #The argument that "others do it, so I can to" doesn't hold water. #I remember when I was a youngster, I asked my Dad to let me do something which wasn't appropriate and my argument was "...well Johnny's Mom let's him do it so why can't I?" #Dad always would retort: #"I don't care what Johnny's mom lets him do; I'm telling you, you can't and won't!" #
Radio "shock jocks" as well as so-called political commentators and conservative talk-show hosts are just as guilty as Imus is for fostering an atmosphere of disrespect and contempt for anyone who doesn't agree with their narrow minded view of the world. #These radio "personalities" simply pander to the simple minded, who more often than not are neo-con republicans.
Imus must go & probably will now that advertisers are vacating his venue just like rats diserting a sinking junk!
With all that said, I'll sum up my liberal ranting by simply saying: "Imus shame, shame, shame!" #To have ejaculated his brand of racial and gender venom against such talented, intelligent and motivated young women is an afront to any decent, caring, intelligent person who witnessed his display. #Hopefully Imus will become nothing more than a pimpled memory on the butt of sleazy radio talk shows.
Have a nice day, ya'll & 73
n2ize
04-12-2007, 12:29 AM
Quote[/b] (KI4ITV @ April 11 2007,15:45)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 11 2007,10:26)]Quote[/b] (KF6PYF @ April 11 2007,12:04)]This is just another ridicules double standard.. The only reason anyone is making a fus about this is because a white man said it.. #Black youth refer to all women as ho If Jesse Jackson or Ron Artest would have made the same comment no one would have even blinked an eye. #If the girls on the team can't take it tough! Your in the public spotlight and need to expect harsh comments and criticism once in a while. Either toughen up and grow a spine or go bury your head in the sand. One thing is for sure these girls are to thin skinned to be public figures.
"his comment might have scared me for life" oh please, Just cry me a river!
How would you like it if you had a daughter in some school on some team and some prominent talk show host named the specific school and the specific team your daughter was on and said, "the girls on X team at Y school are a bunch of whores". Would you like that ? Would you think it is acceptable ? Or would you think that the person who said it deserves a bit of backlash and public reprimand for his rude and extremely disrespectful comments ?
Maybe I was brought up wrong but I was taught that people should be treated with a little respect and dignity and poking disrespectful and rude comments at people is wrong, whether joking or not. #Maybe I should change my ways and start making racist and disrespectful comments ? maybe that is the way to be to show I am not "politically correct" ? maybe I should learn to diss people ?
My very first thought after reading about this incedent (hint: I did not hear it personally) was, "wow, and he said this about someones daughter." It is truly sad that he would take the time to say something like this about someone elses daughter. #On this we agree.
Where I leave you is that this is not about racism anymore. #It is about Imus. #We must create the most suffering for this man possible because that is what we want to see. Suffering and agony, for all to see, so that we may feel better about ourselves.
As much as I appreciate what you are saying, you are behind the curve now. #We want blood, guts, gore and veins in our teeth...for this man to pay for our gratification.
It is not enough anymore to just be a sorry person, we have to WATCH you suffer because of your evil deeds.
We must make him pay, and we will pay to watch.
mostly in jest, but, you get my drift.
I don't see it that way at all. If I were a popular person and I called a specific group of black women whores I would have to pay the consequences. Likewise if I made anti-semitic remarks against Jewish people I would have to pay the consequences. People generally don't like having racist and disrespecting comments hurled at them, particularly by popular personalities who should know better.
If I were so walk up to some guy and start telling him wthat his wife or girlfriend looks like a whore I would very likely have to endure a sharp punch to my face along with a broken nose and a few missing teeth. Is that because the guy who punched me wants to see blood and wants to hurt me ? No. because I made a nasty disrespectful and hurtful remark which angered and upset him greatly. I am sure in the afermath he would argue that I should be holding myself to a higher standard and learn how to be respecting of others.
In my opinion I don't feel anyone is looking for blood or guts or nessesarilly wants to see Imus go down in flames or even be fired nessesarilly. But he made a very stupid and disrespectful statement that upset people and created the expected backlash. Now he's at the mercy of his employer and their attempts to maintain public relations. As it turns out they fired him.
There is no such thing as bad publicity in show business. I believe that Don Imus will end up with a bigger audience than he had before the incident as "White America" has reached a boiling with respect to this double standard. The average white American will never talk about it in public for fear of being labeled a racist. However, get him/her behind closed doors, and he/she will say the same thing; namely, all races say racist things, but only white Americans get labeled as being racists.
W2ILP
04-12-2007, 02:09 AM
It looks lke Imus is in bigger trouble than we originally expected and this story has been continued in other QRZ threads that tell of his firing from "Imus in the Morning" on TV and maybe even on radio. He has lost most of his sponsers and that is an economic reason to fire him...Heck Citi has just fired 17000 American IT workers for economic reasons and they didn't even tell any bigoted jukes. If you want to tell bigoted jokes these days you might only be able to tell them about the leadrers of North Korea or Iran...but even there you have to be careful and diplomatic.
w2ilp (Imus Lost Program)......Wot the ho???
W4DFW
04-12-2007, 02:11 AM
Imus gets fired for trashing a race and Rosie gets hired to trash a country.
Go figure . . .
KI4ITV
04-12-2007, 02:17 AM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 11 2007,12:29)]Quote[/b] (KI4ITV @ April 11 2007,15:45)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ April 11 2007,10:26)]Quote[/b] (KF6PYF @ April 11 2007,12:04)]This is just another ridicules double standard.. The only reason anyone is making a fus about this is because a white man said it.. Black youth refer to all women as ho If Jesse Jackson or Ron Artest would have made the same comment no one would have even blinked an eye. If the girls on the team can't take it tough! Your in the public spotlight and need to expect harsh comments and criticism once in a while. Either toughen up and grow a spine or go bury your head in the sand. One thing is for sure these girls are to thin skinned to be public figures.
"his comment might have scared me for life" oh please, Just cry me a river!
How would you like it if you had a daughter in some school on some team and some prominent talk show host named the specific school and the specific team your daughter was on and said, "the girls on X team at Y school are a bunch of whores". Would you like that ? Would you think it is acceptable ? Or would you think that the person who said it deserves a bit of backlash and public reprimand for his rude and extremely disrespectful comments ?
Maybe I was brought up wrong but I was taught that people should be treated with a little respect and dignity and poking disrespectful and rude comments at people is wrong, whether joking or not. Maybe I should change my ways and start making racist and disrespectful comments ? maybe that is the way to be to show I am not "politically correct" ? maybe I should learn to diss people ?
My very first thought after reading about this incedent (hint: I did not hear it personally) was, "wow, and he said this about someones daughter." It is truly sad that he would take the time to say something like this about someone elses daughter. On this we agree.
Where I leave you is that this is not about racism anymore. It is about Imus. We must create the most suffering for this man possible because that is what we want to see. Suffering and agony, for all to see, so that we may feel better about ourselves.
As much as I appreciate what you are saying, you are behind the curve now. We want blood, guts, gore and veins in our teeth...for this man to pay for our gratification.
It is not enough anymore to just be a sorry person, we have to WATCH you suffer because of your evil deeds.
We must make him pay, and we will pay to watch.
mostly in jest, but, you get my drift.
I don't see it that way at all. If I were a popular person and I called a specific group of black women whores I would have to pay the consequences. Likewise if I made anti-semitic remarks against Jewish people I would have to pay the consequences. People generally don't like having racist and disrespecting comments hurled at them, particularly by popular personalities who should know better.
If I were so walk up to some guy and start telling him wthat his wife or girlfriend looks like a whore I would very likely have to endure a sharp punch to my face along with a broken nose and a few missing teeth. Is that because the guy who punched me wants to see blood and wants to hurt me ? No. because I made a nasty disrespectful and hurtful remark which angered and upset him greatly. I am sure in the afermath he would argue that I should be holding myself to a higher standard and learn how to be respecting of others.
In my opinion I don't feel anyone is looking for blood or guts or nessesarilly wants to see Imus go down in flames or even be fired nessesarilly. But he made a very stupid and disrespectful statement that upset people and created the expected backlash. Now he's at the mercy of his employer and their attempts to maintain public relations. As it turns out they fired him.
And those are very good points, but is Al Sharpton. Jessie Jackson, or many of the other people calling for Imus' head really as affected as the people cited in your example?
How many of us would even know that Imus had made these remarks (given his ratings) if the media didn't smell blood money?
Your position is correct, though different from mine. I basically thought it was a shame he would call somebody's daughter names. The inflation caused by pulling the race card is just for effect, by introducing drama to capture more audience and possibly extort money from big pockets.
America will watch with glee as someone crashes in a flaming public figure suicide.
News at eleven.
'Press my pant suit Slick, I'm headed to Rutgers to exploit this Imus thing before Obama gets there first.'
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs....rs.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2007/04/hillary_is_heading_to_rutgers.html)
WB8MKV
04-12-2007, 08:29 PM
Is it any worse than Ray Nagin, mayor of New Orleans, saying "Lets rebuild this great choclate city ?"
Apologize to the Rutgers Team, do not kiss Al's ring.
http://www.newsmax.com/scripts....ge=http (http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/printer_friendly.pl?page=http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/4/12/164431.shtml?s=ic)
KG6QHK
04-12-2007, 09:42 PM
Quote[/b] (WB8MKV @ April 12 2007,13:29)]Is it any worse than Ray Nagin, mayor of New Orleans, saying "Lets rebuild this great choclate city ?"
Does Willy Wonka know about this!? Quick! We can have an army of Oompa Loompas airlifted there in four hours! All we need now is sugar, cocoa beans......