Turning knob clockwise makes audio louder!

[KE5FRF]

You heard it here first.

[ai4ep]

...but take the " over the complete ear " headphones OFF first. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kd7msc]

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[n2nh]

And that concludes today's lesson, Amateur Radio 101: for NCEs and NCGs.

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ April 05 2007,23:22)]And that concludes today's lesson, Amateur Radio 101: for NCEs and NCGs.
Tomorrow's lesson: "Righty tighty, lefty loosey."

[N0CID]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ April 06 2007,00:22)]And that concludes today's lesson, Amateur Radio 101: for NCEs and NCGs.
Yup, and do not forget the NCT ilk. And they have no clue how to conduct themselves on the bands. They bring their CB crap and pawn it off as amateur radio. They do not know how to react when proper procedure is used, nor the reason why. Stop learning, memorize and shoot the folks who gave their best over and against the travesty of a contrived disparity [What!!].

AI4EP is correct: "You can learn a lot about your fellow amateurs, just by listening to them talk on their radios." Because they talk and to not operate. They never learned and will not. They become 'net' operators and it becomes even more evident that indeed a 'disparity' exists.

I remain ...

[kn4ds]

Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 05 2007,23:53)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ April 06 2007,00:22)]And that concludes today's lesson, Amateur Radio 101: for NCEs and NCGs.
Yup, and do not forget the NCT ilk. And they have no clue how to conduct themselves on the bands. They bring their CB crap and pawn it off as amateur radio. They do not know how to react when proper procedure is used, nor the reason why. Stop learning, memorize and shoot the folks who gave their best over and against the travesty of what is now heralded as the counter-weight to a contrived disparity [What!!].

AI4EP is correct: "You can learn a lot about your fellow amateurs, just by listening to them talk on their radios." Because they talk and to not operate. They never learned and will not. They become 'net' operators and it becomes even more evident that indeed a 'disparity' exists.

I remain ...
Someone's quite cranky tonight...

Where are you hearing this "CB crap" on the amateur bands? Are most of us just missing it?

I listen a LOT, and haven't heard it.

[N0CID]

Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ April 06 2007,00:58)]Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 05 2007,23:53)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ April 06 2007,00:22)]And that concludes today's lesson, Amateur Radio 101: for NCEs and NCGs.
Yup, and do not forget the NCT ilk. And they have no clue how to conduct themselves on the bands. They bring their CB crap and pawn it off as amateur radio. They do not know how to react when proper procedure is used, nor the reason why. Stop learning, memorize and shoot the folks who gave their best over and against the travesty of what is now heralded as the counter-weight to a contrived disparity [What!!].

AI4EP is correct: "You can learn a lot about your fellow amateurs, just by listening to them talk on their radios." Because they talk and to not operate. They never learned and will not. They become 'net' operators and it becomes even more evident that indeed a 'disparity' exists.

I remain ...
Someone's quite cranky tonight...

Where are you hearing this "CB crap" on the amateur bands? Are most of us just missing it?

I listen a LOT, and haven't heard it.
They are now moving from HF to HF. And if you do not see it, perhaps your style is in want. If all the people lie, then it is normal. Well, if that is all one knows... Yes, maybe you did not 'hear' it.

[kn4ds]

Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 06 2007,00:09)]They are now moving from HF to HF. And if you do not see it, perhaps your style is in want. If all the people lie, then it is normal. Well, if that is all one knows... Yes, maybe you did not 'hear' it.
I don't believe there's any question that my style "is in want."

Obviously, I've just been listening to the wrong frequencies. I shall endeavor to hear the "CB crap" of which you speak.

[N5FOG]

Dave you cannot argue with guys like N0CID and N2NH

Just look at N0CID's bio he out right says "NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF"

It’s the self-righteous people like Michael that think they are god’s gift to ham radio because they passed a code test that are killing the hobby, not no-code anything.

BTW your profile is a great way to welcome new hams Mike.



FOG

[KD5NCO]

One man's CB crap is another man's normal conversation

As a long term Military man, with YEARS of proper radio operating experience, MOST of what I hear, on ALL the Armature frequencies, makes me cringe with dismay!

"Break!"
"KD5NCO fer ID!"
"Fine business all you alls"
"We gone fer another cup o Joe,----- OK"
"Contact!"
"Yada Yada Yada um hey,---- how does this mic setting sound?----- yada yada yada----umm, back to you Joe, this is Kilo Delta 5 Nifty Crafty Ornery #back to ya!"

Na, I don't seem to see the CB in any of that palaver from all the fellows who go before me.... # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,01:35)]Dave you cannot argue with guys like N0CID and N2NH

Just look at N0CID's bio he out right says "NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF"

It’s the self-righteous people like Michael that think they are god’s gift to ham radio because they passed a code test that are killing the hobby, not no-code anything.

BTW your profile is a great way to welcome new hams Mike.



FOG
Loosen up dude. I was just kidding. Personally I think we're at a crossroads. This will definitely spell the end for 11 Meters as we know it. CB is now officially doomed. In the end, who knows? We may end up with 11 back in the hands of Amateurs.

[N8CPA]

And when you press the PWR button, noise comes out of the speaker.

Is that good or bad?

[kj3n]

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ April 06 2007,04:26)]And when you press the PWR button, noise comes out of the speaker.

Is that good or bad?
Not sure. Let's ask Greg!

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[ae4tr]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif It all depends on which knob you are turning clockwise. First you have to find
the knob labeled "Volume", which might be difficult for some people.

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[KI4OXD]

Dang, this Corsair doesn't have a knob labled "Volume". Guess I'm one of them people it's gonna be difficult fer. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N8CPA]

Does anyone else have a detergent measurement feature on their rigs?

I have at least three on my Icom that say 'GAIN.'

Gain? GAIN?

[ka6gjn]

Heh, this whole topic brings back an old (and rather unpleasant) memory of a long - past supervisor. The man had some insecurity issues. When he learned that I was a ham he quickly set out to impress me with his knowledge of radio, and his CB exploits.

It didn't take very long (but it sure did take a lot of hot air) for him to demonstrate that he actually didn't know the difference between power (as in xmit), volume (as in receive) and frequency, among other things, but you get the drift.

This only lasted, as far as I was concerned, for about six months. Then he was fired, and I was promoted to replace him.

And, no, I didn't have anything to do with his demise. Well, other than do my job, which, as it turned out, was enough to demonstrate his incompetence.

In defense of today's CBers, I know quite a few, and they're fine people. They assure me that CB is overwhelmingly better than it was back in the 60's. Also, they have great respect for hams. Many have become hams, and are models of proper procedure and gentlemanly behavior.

[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ April 06 2007,06:10)]Does anyone else have a detergent measurement feature on their rigs?

I have at least three on my Icom that say 'GAIN.'

Gain? GAIN?
Gain? Dude that's soap....

[W4HAY]

Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ April 06 2007,13:15)]Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ April 06 2007,06:10)]Does anyone else have a detergent measurement feature on their rigs?

I have at least three on my Icom that say 'GAIN.'

Gain? GAIN?
Gain? #Dude that's soap....
Give the man a Kewpie doll!

[N2RJ]

Hey yallz, I got some questions.

Why does my SWRs have to be low?

I thought that with more "swing" on both needles I would be louder since I'd be putting down the hammer with more POUNDS. Ya know, wall to wall and tree top tall?

And what's that beep beeping down on the lower channels?

[KA4DPO]

Everyone knows you have to cut your coax to just the right length to get the SWR just right. An your right about swingin them needles, got ta git em cranked all the way over to get heard.

How many pills you got in that bootwarmer of yours anyway? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[N8CPA]

SWR does mean Swing Way 'Round, don't it?

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ April 06 2007,08:49)]Everyone knows you have to cut your coax to just the right length to get the SWR just right. An your right about swingin them needles, got ta git em cranked all the way over to get heard.

How many pills you got in that bootwarmer of yours anyway? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I gots 4 pills.

But they'z the big glass bottles, 10-4?

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (n3jja @ April 06 2007,03:22)]Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ April 06 2007,04:26)]And when you press the PWR button, noise comes out of the speaker.

Is that good or bad?
Not sure. Let's ask Greg!

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Someone beat him to the innane punch. Great spoof, Heath!

[N8CPA]

Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ April 06 2007,09:15)]Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ April 06 2007,06:10)]Does anyone else have a detergent measurement feature on their rigs?

I have at least three on my Icom that say 'GAIN.'

Gain? GAIN?
Gain? #Dude that's soap....
Great Sam Morse--I figured it out! They ain't knobs. They're plugs. You remove each of those plugs, you fill each of the holes with detergent--GAIN is just a recommendation--and you get a nice clean signal!

Thanks, guys!
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[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ April 05 2007,22:57)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,01:35)]Dave you cannot argue with guys like N0CID and N2NH

Just look at N0CID's bio he out right says "NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF"

It’s the self-righteous people like Michael that think they are god’s gift to ham radio because they passed a code test that are killing the hobby, not no-code anything.

BTW your profile is a great way to welcome new hams Mike.



FOG
Loosen up dude. I was just kidding. Personally I think we're at a crossroads. This will definitely spell the end for 11 Meters as we know it. CB is now officially doomed. In the end, who knows? We may end up with 11 back in the hands of Amateurs.
Not the end of CB, just the expansion. And I love Eric's "It’s the self-righteous people like Michael that think they are god’s gift to ham radio because they passed a code test that are killing the hobby..." ROFLMAO!!!

What's "killing the hobby" (if anything) is the division caused by the no code movement. I have never seen a group of people more whiney about WINNING an issue. It's hilarious!

[KD6NIG]

Whats sick though is a few weeks ago, I had a 'newbie' (could kinda tell by the callsign, but not sure how new) berate me on a repeater for saying "for ID" after my callsign.

I was going to let it go until another ham (I knew neither) brought it up a few minutes later and mentioned "You know, NIG has been a ham for 14 years, you have been one for about 4 weeks. You might want to pick your battles more wisely."

I didn't say anything, but an odd thing has happened. I seem to say "for ID" after it all the time now. I'm guess I'm just sadistic that way?

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,00:35)]Dave you cannot argue with guys like N0CID and N2NH

Just look at N0CID's bio he out right says "NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF"

It’s the self-righteous people like Michael that think they are god’s gift to ham radio because they passed a code test that are killing the hobby, not no-code anything.

BTW your profile is a great way to welcome new hams Mike.



FOG
Does every thread have to be a code diatribe?

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[k4kyv]

The audio will sound better if those knobs are made of wood.

Major Wood (http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count=2)

[K7KBN]

I never understood the reasoning behind saying "for ID". Why ELSE would you give your call sign?

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (KD5NCO @ April 06 2007,05:39)]MOST of what I hear, on ALL the Armature frequencies, makes me cringe with dismay!
You can make a crude stethoscope using a dowel rod. Place one end on the little flap at your ear opening and gently press down. Place the other end on the case of the motor, dynamo or alternator, and listen to hear any abnormal vibration.

Perhaps you have a bearing that's about to go. Or if you are lucky, it may just need lubrication.

http://www.armature.net/

[ab8ma]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 06 2007,04:18)]You heard it here first.
"Turning knob clockwise makes audio louder! "

Ok folks. I have read each contribution in the thread twice.

I thought this site was where one could go to learn something.

Not so, it seems. Nobody answered the question which popped into my head as soon as I read the title.


So I will take a chance and ask it myself.





Which knob?

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ April 06 2007,11:00)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 06 2007,04:18)]You heard it here first.
"Turning knob clockwise makes audio louder! "

Ok folks. I have read each contribution in the thread twice.

I thought this site was where one could go to learn something.

Not so, it seems. Nobody answered the question which popped into my head as soon as I read the title.


So I will take a chance and ask it myself.





Which knob?
I'm sorry, Bob. Yes, I am not a stickler for details, it would seem. They don't give you a lot of room for extra words in the post title.

You see, that is difficult because every radio is different.

But most radios have something called a POTENTIOMETER....lets break that word down.

potent....meaning very strong or powerful.
IO...input/output?
meter...a metric measurement.

OK, so with this knowledge, we know a potentiometer is a powerful input/output device that takes metric measurements.

Some kind of way, that has to do with audio. I'm a 5 WPM extra lite, so I may not be smart enough to explain it. Ask Greg, he's a NCG. He might point you in the right direction.

[w7act]

Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ April 05 2007,22:23)]Hey yallz, I got some questions.

Why does my SWRs have to be low?

I thought that with more "swing" on both needles I would be louder since I'd be putting down the hammer with more POUNDS. Ya know, wall to wall and tree top tall?

And what's that beep beeping down on the lower channels?
My, My, My, This Dude must come directly come from the Ranks of CB Land as he has the dialect down to a T.

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[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 06 2007,10:39)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,00:35)]Dave you cannot argue with guys like N0CID and N2NH

Just look at N0CID's bio he out right says "NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF"

It’s the self-righteous people like Michael that think they are god’s gift to ham radio because they passed a code test that are killing the hobby, not no-code anything.

BTW your profile is a great way to welcome new hams Mike.



FOG
Does every thread have to be a code diatribe?

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7489/chipsqq2.jpg
HA HA, you screwed up, no doughnuts in the picture.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ab8ma]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 06 2007,16:13)]Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ April 06 2007,11:00)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 06 2007,04:18)]You heard it here first.
"Turning knob clockwise makes audio louder! "

Ok folks. I have read each contribution in the thread twice.

I thought this site was where one could go to learn something.

Not so, it seems. Nobody answered the question which popped into my head as soon as I read the title.


So I will take a chance and ask it myself.





Which knob?
I'm sorry, Bob. Yes, I am not a stickler for details, it would seem. They don't give you a lot of room for extra words in the post title.

You see, that is difficult because every radio is different.

But most radios have something called a POTENTIOMETER....lets break that word down.

potent....meaning very strong or powerful.
IO...input/output?
meter...a metric measurement.

OK, so with this knowledge, we know a potentiometer is a powerful input/output device that takes metric measurements.

Some kind of way, that has to do with audio. I'm a 5 WPM extra lite, so I may not be smart enough to explain it. Ask Greg, he's a NCG. He might point you in the right direction.
So you are saying that in order to test your theory, I need some kind of device called a POTENTIOMETER?

Those can be kind of expensive, can't they. You know that us HAMS are cheap.

Does MFJ make one?

I try to stay away from Ebay, so that wouldn't be an option.


Ok, I admit this thread brought up more than one question in my mind.


The other question was



Which way is clockwise?

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ April 06 2007,09:54)]SWR does mean Swing Way 'Round, don't it?
I heard on channel 34 that it's Silent Watts Radiated. Those would be the watts that shoot off the end of the antenna but don't show up in the power meter.

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ April 06 2007,09:45)]So you are saying that in order to test your theory, I need some kind of device called a POTENTIOMETER?
I think our NCG friend's wife turns him down with an IMPOTENTIOMETER.

[KI4OXD]

Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ April 06 2007,09:45)]Which way is clockwise?
I think it depends on whether you're in the Northern or Southern hemisphere.

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (KI4OXD @ April 06 2007,12:07)]Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ April 06 2007,09:45)]Which way is clockwise?
I think it depends on whether you're in the Northern or Southern hemisphere.
So does that mean in Australia and New Zealand that hams have to use their radios backwards? Does everything work backwards down there?

I'm learning something new with each and every revelation!

[KI4OXD]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 06 2007,10:09)]So does that mean in Australia and New Zealand that hams have to use their radios backwards? Does everything work backwards down there?
Naw, they just turn 'em upside down and everthing works as it should. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KC0OFZ]

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ April 06 2007,01:26)]And when you press the #PWR button, noise comes out of the speaker.

Is that good or bad?
Its bad!!!!!
The voices.....the voices....they keep talking to me......make them stop!!!!!!

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[KG6QHK]

Quote[/b] (KI4OXD @ April 06 2007,10:41)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 06 2007,10:09)]So does that mean in Australia and New Zealand that hams have to use their radios backwards? Does everything work backwards down there?
Naw, they just turn 'em upside down and everthing works as it should. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
So, if I turn the toilet upside down, the water will swirl the other way? HMMM!!!

Let's get something straight about the code. (Yes, I'm bringing up Morse again!) Pretty soon, we will be able to tell the wheat from the chaff, inasmuch as some of us that are upgrading are still taking the time to learn the code (CW and Data ONLY areas of the bandplan still! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ) and others will just ride the wave of change into their General without bothering to challenge themselves.

I for one am going to learn the code. Come what may, whatever it takes. Once I do, only THEN will I take my General test. Afterwards, I invite ANYONE to challenge my knowledge, by inviting me over to a CW area for QSO. (Which, IMHO, will be loads of fun!)

7 3 // DE KG6QHK CL

[KC0OFZ]

Quote[/b] (KI4OXD @ April 06 2007,10:07)]Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ April 06 2007,09:45)]Which way is clockwise?
I think it depends on whether you're in the Northern or Southern hemisphere.
I did not know the clock was wise. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[N8CPA]

Quote[/b] (KC0OFZ @ April 06 2007,14:02)]Quote[/b] (KI4OXD @ April 06 2007,10:07)]Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ April 06 2007,09:45)]Which way is clockwise?
I think it depends on whether you're in the Northern or Southern hemisphere.
I did not know the clock was wise. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
One could try a Sheperd's watch.

You need to know the month.
And to find the right stars' light.
Between Polaris and the She Bear
The time's the line you sight.

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 05 2007,10:39)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,00:35)]Dave you cannot argue with guys like N0CID and N2NH

Just look at N0CID's bio he out right says "NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF"

It’s the self-righteous people like Michael that think they are god’s gift to ham radio because they passed a code test that are killing the hobby, not no-code anything.

BTW your profile is a great way to welcome new hams Mike.



FOG
Does every thread have to be a code diatribe?

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Keith Its a sad statement to your character and the few others that have chosen to drag and denigrate my profession into these arguments.

My being in law enforcement has nothing to do with this argument or ham radio for that matter but you have chose to involve and denigrate it.

Honestly I thought you were above such behavior but I guess not.



FOG

[KI4OXD]

Quote[/b] (KG6QHK @ April 06 2007,10:56)]Quote[/b] (KI4OXD @ April 06 2007,10:41)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 06 2007,10:09)]So does that mean in Australia and New Zealand that hams have to use their radios backwards? Does everything work backwards down there?
Naw, they just turn 'em upside down and everthing works as it should. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
So, if I turn the toilet upside down, the water will swirl the other way? HMMM!!!
Well...not really, you'll just wish it had!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[kn4ds]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,13:40)]My being in law enforcement has nothing to do with this argument or ham radio for that matter but you have chose to involve and denigrate it.
Then why've you got a picture of yourself apparently in uniform and apparently in a patrol car on your profile?

When you post that, you make it fair game, OM.

[ky5u]

He's not making fun of cops, Eric, he's poking fun at YOU. Same old no coder thing of if you have something against one lazy no coder you must hate ALL Technicians.

Nice try.

[KG6QHK]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ April 06 2007,12:37)]He's not making fun of cops, Eric, he's poking fun at YOU. #Same old no coder thing of if you have something against one lazy no coder you must hate ALL Technicians.

Nice try.
Huh? What about Technicians who are LEARNING code?

I'd say in that case, he's a little

dahdah ditdit ditditdit dahdahdit ditditdah ditdit dahditdit dit dahditdit

(The dots and dashes are WAY too hard to read, this way works MUCH better! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,13:40)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 05 2007,10:39)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,00:35)]Dave you cannot argue with guys like N0CID and N2NH

Just look at N0CID's bio he out right says "NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF"

It’s the self-righteous people like Michael that think they are god’s gift to ham radio because they passed a code test that are killing the hobby, not no-code anything.

BTW your profile is a great way to welcome new hams Mike.



FOG
Does every thread have to be a code diatribe?

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Keith Its a sad statement to your character and the few others that have chosen to drag and denigrate my profession into these arguments.

My being in law enforcement has nothing to do with this argument or ham radio for that matter but you have chose to involve and denigrate it.

Honestly I thought you were above such behavior but I guess not.



FOG
It's Heath, but that's OK.

I usually am above that kind of stuff, but we all have moments where we just can't resist. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

What I'm trying to get across to you OM, is to lose the chip. This thread had nothing to do with no code. I was teasing our buddy Greg, who has a decent sense of humor and knows how to take it. The no-code jokes that people make are just jabs. Most people mean no harm. I mean no harm and mean not to denegrate your profession. I'm trying to get you to lighten up just a bit, Eric. Geez, make fun of Greg like the rest of us OM, and quit whining! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KE5FRF]

And besides, I was just trying to show off my cartoon skillz. Geesh


We tease Greg about being a Mortician all the time, and he jumps right in with jokes too. Hey, if you can't laugh at yourself, who can you?

I'm laughing at my fat arse as we speak!

My bro-in-law is a cop, and is the butt of a lot of my jokes.

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ April 06 2007,00:22)]And that concludes today's lesson, Amateur Radio 101: for NCEs and NCGs.
More "extra arrogance".

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,11:40)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 05 2007,10:39)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,00:35)]Dave you cannot argue with guys like N0CID and N2NH

Just look at N0CID's bio he out right says "NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF"

It’s the self-righteous people like Michael that think they are god’s gift to ham radio because they passed a code test that are killing the hobby, not no-code anything.

BTW your profile is a great way to welcome new hams Mike.



FOG
Does every thread have to be a code diatribe?

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7489/chipsqq2.jpg



Keith Its a sad statement to your character and the few others that have chosen to drag and denigrate my profession into these arguments.

My being in law enforcement has nothing to do with this argument or ham radio for that matter but you have chose to involve and denigrate it.

Honestly I thought you were above such behavior but I guess not.



FOG
Jeez fog, go have another donut.

[kr9d]

Quote[/b] (KG6QHK @ April 06 2007,10:56)][quote=KI4OXD,April 06 2007,10:41]Afterwards, I invite ANYONE to challenge my knowledge, by inviting me over to a CW area for QSO. (Which, IMHO, will be loads of fun!)
Be careful. By my observation, once you learn code (and I'm learning it, too), then there will be some other reason why you are Not A Real Ham ™ or Turning Ham Radio into CB ™. Such as: You can't receive code at 20 WPM (25, 30, maybe 13, but not less than 13). You didn't build your own transmitter. Your transmitter doesn't use vacuum tubes. You aren't (or are) associated with ARES (or RACES) or SkyWarn or traffic nets or Field Day or contests or DXing or EME or AMSAT or RTTY or whatever.

I LOVE the way ham radio can allow a person to go in any of a wide variety of directions. I'm mightly glad, though, that the attitude of there being only one correct way to be a Real Ham doesn't seem to appear much on the air (hence the major contention of this thread).

Still wondering: How a person who is talking on SSB will know if I know code, unless I tell him. There's an easy way for the guy several posts above to avoid being worked by those who don't know code (and therefore aren't Real Hams), and that's to use CW down in the CW band. I guarantee him that the only no-coders who bother him down there would be assholes even if they knew code.

Rick "learning (slowly) with the Koch method" Denney

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,13:40)]Keith Its a sad statement to your character and the few others that have chosen to drag and denigrate my profession into these arguments.

My being in law enforcement has nothing to do with this argument or ham radio for that matter but you have chose to involve and denigrate it.

Honestly I thought you were above such behavior but I guess not.



FOG
Eric,

Lay it off and have a little fun.

Law enforcement is supposed to be a noble profession indeed but I shudder to think that there are cops like you on the force, who think the world is against them.

And this is NOT a slam on cops. It's a slam on YOU and your bad attitude.

Learn to laugh and live a little, Eric. Life will be a lot better!

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (kr9d @ April 06 2007,16:00)]Be careful. By my observation, once you learn code (and I'm learning it, too), then there will be some other reason why you are Not A Real Ham ™ or Turning Ham Radio into CB ™. Such as: You can't receive code at 20 WPM (25, 30, maybe 13, but not less than 13). You didn't build your own transmitter. Your transmitter doesn't use vacuum tubes. You aren't (or are) associated with ARES (or RACES) or SkyWarn or traffic nets or Field Day or contests or DXing or EME or AMSAT or RTTY or whatever.
Actually I think that anyone who doesn't want to learn electronics theory and who doesn't want to homebrew is not a real ham.

In my mind they're just a licensee and appliance operator.

Quote[/b] ]
I LOVE the way ham radio can allow a person to go in any of a wide variety of directions. I'm mightly glad, though, that the attitude of there being only one correct way to be a Real Ham doesn't seem to appear much on the air (hence the major contention of this thread).

I'd imagine that if you don't know anything about radio itself (as in the technology and theory behind it) that you're missing out on half of the fun of real ham radio.

If you just want to operate an appliance and talk, that is not ham radio. That is a radio telephone.

Quote[/b] ]Still wondering: How a person who is talking on SSB will know if I know code, unless I tell him.

http://www.ae7q.com has a callsign DB which accurately shows who passed a code test and who didn't, even if a no coder hides behind a 2x1 vanity call.

If you know CW, work the CW bands. If you aren't working the CW bands, then you won't be in touch with CW ops.

Quote[/b] ] There's an easy way for the guy several posts above to avoid being worked by those who don't know code (and therefore aren't Real Hams), and that's to use CW down in the CW band. I guarantee him that the only no-coders who bother him down there would be assholes even if they knew code.

What is it with the foul language on the 'zed lately?

Didn't your parents teach you any manners?

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ April 05 2007,14:24)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,13:40)]My being in law enforcement has nothing to do with this argument or ham radio for that matter but you have chose to involve and denigrate it.
Then why've you got a picture of yourself apparently in uniform and apparently in a patrol car on your profile?

When you post that, you make it fair game, OM.
Dave so I guess by your logic if someone has a picture of their family or something involving their profession like allot of the guys that are engineers or in the broadcast profession on here do, its fair game and its ok to take cheap shots at ?

And for the record I didn't turn this into a code debate, it got turned into one when N0CID decided to make his comments about the "NCT ilk".


FOG

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ April 05 2007,16:05)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,13:40)]Keith Its a sad statement to your character and the few others that have chosen to drag and denigrate my profession into these arguments.

My being in law enforcement has nothing to do with this argument or ham radio for that matter but you have chose to involve and denigrate it.

Honestly I thought you were above such behavior but I guess not.



FOG
Eric,

Lay it off and have a little fun.

Law enforcement is supposed to be a noble profession indeed but I shudder to think that there are cops like you on the force, who think the world is against them.

And this is NOT a slam on cops. It's a slam on YOU and your bad attitude.

Learn to laugh and live a little, Eric. Life will be a lot better!
Ryan once again with the slams about my abilities as a police officer because of my opinions and views on the code issue.

I find it amazing that you think you can fully judge someones abilities and character just because they have expressed very strong opinion which is opposite of yours in a online chat forum.

That would be the same as me saying your a lousy engineer because of some opinion you expressed on here.

And just because I have strong views about people who think they are better or above me and others because of their CW abilities I think the world is out to get me?

Ryan I would think someone as educated as you claim to be would be above making statements and drawing conclusions like saying I think the whole world is out to get me or I'm a horrible cop because I'm strongly opinionated over the code issue.



FOG

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,16:15)]Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ April 05 2007,16:05)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,13:40)]Keith Its a sad statement to your character and the few others that have chosen to drag and denigrate my profession into these arguments.

My being in law enforcement has nothing to do with this argument or ham radio for that matter but you have chose to involve and denigrate it.

Honestly I thought you were above such behavior but I guess not.



FOG
Eric,

Lay it off and have a little fun.

Law enforcement is supposed to be a noble profession indeed but I shudder to think that there are cops like you on the force, who think the world is against them.

And this is NOT a slam on cops. It's a slam on YOU and your bad attitude.

Learn to laugh and live a little, Eric. Life will be a lot better!
Ryan once again with the slams about my abilities as a police officer because of my opinions and views on the code issue.

I find it amazing that you think you can fully judge someones abilities and character just because they have expressed very strong opinion which is opposite of yours in a online chat forum.

That would be the same as me saying your a lousy engineer because of some opinion you expressed on here.



FOG
No, I am not judging you.

I am merely pointing out a trend which you have quite clearly shown.

You keep whining that the world is against you. All the damn time.

If you carry that attitude with you as a police officer, I feel sorry for your customers.

If you don't, then great. If not, then I feel sorry for your customers.

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ April 05 2007,16:22)]Law enforcement is supposed to be a noble profession indeed but I shudder to think that there are cops like you on the force, who think the world is against them.

"I shudder to think that there are cops like you on the force."

Not judging me ?? That sounds pretty judgmental to me.


FOG

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,16:26)]Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ April 05 2007,16:22)]Law enforcement is supposed to be a noble profession indeed but I shudder to think that there are cops like you on the force, who think the world is against them.

"I shudder to think that there are cops like you on the force." #

Not judging me ?? That sounds pretty judgmental to me.


FOG
He is judging you. YOU, not the badge, YOU.

Really man, chip, shoulder, get rid of it. Even with the cop thing, you are carrying it.

[KD6NIG]

hehe. Making that guy have a badge, HT, and a hat with a beam antenna on it would be funny though.

And a single potato chip on his shoulder http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KC0OFZ]

Quote[/b] (KI4OXD @ April 06 2007,11:54)]Quote[/b] (KG6QHK @ April 06 2007,10:56)]Quote[/b] (KI4OXD @ April 06 2007,10:41)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 06 2007,10:09)]So does that mean in Australia and New Zealand that hams have to use their radios backwards? Does everything work backwards down there?
Naw, they just turn 'em upside down and everthing works as it should. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
So, if I turn the toilet upside down, the water will swirl the other way? HMMM!!!
Well...not really, you'll just wish it had!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Thats why it got me all wet!!!!!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KC0OFZ]

Speaking of law enforcement....I have a good friend who is a state patrol officer. I asked him when he got into APRS to put a tracker in his patrol car. This way I would know where he is patroling so I could either slow down or go another route. For whatever reason he turned me down. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Now, KC5FOG, I though it was a good request. What say you?

[kn4ds]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,16:11)]Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ April 05 2007,14:24)]When you post that, you make it fair game, OM.
Dave so I guess by your logic if someone has a picture of their family or something involving their profession like allot of the guys that are engineers or in the broadcast profession on here do, its fair game and its ok to take cheap shots at ?
Absolutely... I'll definitely make fun of the guy showing off his equipment rack with the Orban 8100 in it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Or a picture of someone's family, where's the problem if someone says "whoa, you got some ugly kids there, see they take after you." Or "I see your kids don't take after you, they look pretty good."

And you should note that delusions are often functional... it's the mother's opinion that her children are particularly beautiful and intelligent that keeps her from drowning them!

You frequently go on the defensive when someone posts the three little letters "NCT" in a thread.

Now, pay close attention here... what do you see me post when someone does a little rant on NCE? If you're honest, you'll see that I just let that roll off my back... no need for me to take offense at it, because it's actually factual. And if they don't like no-coders, that's fine with me, their perfect right... I sure don't feel the need to get all pissy and defensive.

You're a no-code General. Whoop-dee-freakin'-do. I'm a no-code Extra. Big frackin' deal. But you come off as having a huge chip on your shoulder here online, and as that's the only way most of us have to "know" you, we naturally think that's the way you are all the time. So of course we think you have that chip when you stop someone for speeding... reminds me of the ol' Ray Stevens tune about Dudley Doo-rite of the Highway Patrol..."boy, clocked you back there at 57 1/2 miles an hour, yeah I did.."

I doubt you've noticed, but no-code is over, done, dead, gone. You're one of the few who keeps getting defensive because they didn't pass a code test. If you'd stop whining about people not liking it, you'd get along a lot better.

[wa9cwx]

Forget the code.

Isn't ANYONE going to comment on that $500 wood knob in that first link and the effects of vibration on the audio from bakelite knobs ?

I am in the process of ordering a full set of these wooden knobs for ALL my rigs.

Any one ELSE taking up the clear sound challenge and replacing their old plastic or metal knobs with the new high tech wooden ones?

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (KC0OFZ @ April 05 2007,18:18)]Speaking of law enforcement....I have a good friend who is a state patrol officer. I asked him when he got into APRS to put a tracker in his patrol car. This way I would know where he is patroling so I could either slow down or go another route. For whatever reason he turned me down. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Now, KC5FOG, I though it was a good request. What say you?

Arend I've ran an ARPS tracker in the patrol car several times for fun. Since the YL can just click on the APRS website and see where I am it has greatly reduced her calling me all the time checking on me when I work solo on the night shift which is normally the only time I put it in the car.

One thing I learned really quick was not talk about it on the local repeaters because just about every time I do talk about having APRS in my patrol car someone comes on (normally a older ham) and gives me a nasty lecture.

They always give me the same spiel claiming that I'm "endangering ham radio frequencies" because the public saftey agencies will see how well APRS works and they will take our frequencies to use it on.

I try to explain to them that allot of departments already have GPS tracking systems like that on their 800mhz systems but they don't seem to want to listen.



FOG

[kr9d]

Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ April 06 2007,14:10)]http://www.ae7q.com has a callsign DB which accurately shows who passed a code test and who didn't, even if a no coder hides behind a 2x1 vanity call.

...

Didn't your parents teach you any manners?
Hey, do not send faster than you can receive. Don't be provocative if you don't want people to explore just how long your list of foul words might be. Good manners comprise more than avoiding one of the more minor profanities.

I question the motives and in some cases the character of people who look up information on AE7Q just to see if they passed a code test or not. I suspect most folks, code-worthy or not, would prefer to be judged by what they actually do on the air.

I'm not too worried about it, though. For one thing, as time goes on, the database of who passed the code test will mean less and less, because it's no longer possible for people to pass a code test even if they want to, and the assumption that they don't know code because they didn't pass a test will be less and less reasonable. It's easy enough to find out if they know code, however; just send code to them and listen for a response. I figure that's as good a way as any to end a QSO on a sour note (even if they did pass a test), but you'll get your answer.

As to the homebrew thing, I still don't get it. How does building something that could have been designed in 1956 (or 1976) create new folks with particularly useful electronics qualifications (as I recall your quote from Part 97 in another thread)? Most of the homebrew stuff I see uses technology pretty well explored by about 30-50 years ago.

Stuff on the leading edge has become so specialized that it's not so easy for amateurs to be at the forefront. This is true in most technical fields. The body of technical knowledge is so great that getting up to the front of the line requires massive amounts of training, far beyond anything ever associated with amateur radio.

I'm not sure the FCC really thinks it's that important to create a cadre of citizens who are up-to-speed with designing and building analog or simple digital RF communications equipment. I do think the FCC (as the guardian in the public interest of precious spectrum, which means as something they should be rather than what they are) sees value in amateurs who can make things happen on the ground, when the infrastructure becomes unreliable for some reason. That does require some ability to design things like antennas, and it does require the ability to put those appliances together into systems that may do different things than they were designed to do. Is that what you mean?

Is it the design that is the boundary for you, or just the assembly skills? And if it's the design, how recent must the technology be for the design to have any value? Would the design of antennas be acceptable to you, or filters, or must it be transmission equipment? What about a digital interface? What about programming?

Rick "wondering where the threshold for being a real ham lies" Denney

[N8CPA]

Quote[/b] (wa9cwx @ April 07 2007,00:13)]Forget the code.

Isn't ANYONE going to comment on that $500 wood knob in that first link and the effects of vibration on the audio from bakelite knobs ?

I am in the process of ordering a full set of these wooden knobs for ALL my rigs.

Any one ELSE taking up the clear sound challenge and replacing their old plastic or metal knobs with the new high tech wooden ones?
I would, but my rigs have those plugs where you say knobs are. The detergent will make my signals clean enough. The GAIN recommendation is just a reflection of the collusion between Yaecomwood and P&G, after all.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

What a great thread, Heath! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ April 06 2007,09:45)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 06 2007,16:13)]Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ April 06 2007,11:00)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 06 2007,04:18)]You heard it here first.
"Turning knob clockwise makes audio louder! "

Ok folks. I have read each contribution in the thread twice.

I thought this site was where one could go to learn something.

Not so, it seems. Nobody answered the question which popped into my head as soon as I read the title.


So I will take a chance and ask it myself.





Which knob?
I'm sorry, Bob. Yes, I am not a stickler for details, it would seem. They don't give you a lot of room for extra words in the post title.

You see, that is difficult because every radio is different.

But most radios have something called a POTENTIOMETER....lets break that word down.

potent....meaning very strong or powerful.
IO...input/output?
meter...a metric measurement.

OK, so with this knowledge, we know a potentiometer is a powerful input/output device that takes metric measurements.

Some kind of way, that has to do with audio. I'm a 5 WPM extra lite, so I may not be smart enough to explain it. Ask Greg, he's a NCG. He might point you in the right direction.
So you are saying that in order to test your theory, I need some kind of device called a POTENTIOMETER?

Those can be kind of expensive, can't they. You know that us HAMS are cheap.

Does MFJ make one?

I try to stay away from Ebay, so that wouldn't be an option.


Ok, I admit this thread brought up more than one question in my mind.


The other question was



Which way is clockwise?
It is the exact opposite of "clock dumb."

Ed

[KC0OFZ]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,21:30)]Quote[/b] (KC0OFZ @ April 05 2007,18:18)]Speaking of law enforcement....I have a good friend who is a state patrol officer. #I asked him when he got into APRS to put a tracker in his patrol car. #This way I would know where #he is patroling so I could either slow down or go another route. #For whatever reason he turned me down. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Now, KC5FOG, I though it was a good request. #What say you?

Arend I've ran an ARPS tracker in the patrol car several times for fun. Since the YL can just click on the APRS website and see where I am it has greatly reduced her calling me all the time checking on me when I work solo on the night shift which is normally the only time I put it in the car.

One thing I learned really quick was not talk about it on the local repeaters because just about every time I do talk about having APRS in my patrol car someone comes on (normally a older ham) and gives me a nasty lecture.

They always give me the same spiel claiming that I'm "endangering ham radio frequencies" because the public saftey agencies will see how well APRS works and they will take our frequencies to use it on.

I try to explain to them that allot of departments already have GPS tracking systems like that on their 800mhz systems but they don't seem to want to listen.



FOG
Interesting. Glad it works for that purpose for you. I am sure the YL likes it too.
I just have to give my officer friend a hard time every so often. Great guy, we go around and around. His comment is usually something about my white truck (ambulance) or red fire truck with flashy lights or such so it is in good humor. Of course I seldom drive the ambulance. I am almost always in the back doing my job. Not sure which is harder though....driving is a challenge, as is patient care.

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (kr9d @ April 07 2007,06:07)]
As to the homebrew thing, I still don't get it. How does building something that could have been designed in 1956 (or 1976) create new folks with particularly useful electronics qualifications (as I recall your quote from Part 97 in another thread)? Most of the homebrew stuff I see uses technology pretty well explored by about 30-50 years ago.

Stuff on the leading edge has become so specialized that it's not so easy for amateurs to be at the forefront. This is true in most technical fields. The body of technical knowledge is so great that getting up to the front of the line requires massive amounts of training, far beyond anything ever associated with amateur radio.

I'm not sure the FCC really thinks it's that important to create a cadre of citizens who are up-to-speed with designing and building analog or simple digital RF communications equipment. I do think the FCC (as the guardian in the public interest of precious spectrum, which means as something they should be rather than what they are) sees value in amateurs who can make things happen on the ground, when the infrastructure becomes unreliable for some reason. That does require some ability to design things like antennas, and it does require the ability to put those appliances together into systems that may do different things than they were designed to do. Is that what you mean?

Is it the design that is the boundary for you, or just the assembly skills? And if it's the design, how recent must the technology be for the design to have any value? Would the design of antennas be acceptable to you, or filters, or must it be transmission equipment? What about a digital interface? What about programming?
This sounds to me like the instant gratification syndrome that has so afflicted our society.

How is anyone ever going to make it to the forefront if they don't first develop an understanding of basic electricity and electronics such as ohm's law, resonant circuits, power supplies, simple amplifiers, basic antenna design and all that other technology that was explored 30-50, no make it 30-100 years ago? How is one going to begin to digest that massive body of knowledge leading to the edge without first going through the elementary steps of designing and building simple analogue and digital RF communications equipment?

One of the basic purposes of amateur radio is self-training in the radio art. That doesn't mean that you memorise the questions to pass your test, get on the air, and then jump right in and build a copy of the latest whizz-bang digital all-mode radio. If you aspire to eventually reach that level, how are you going to succeed if you haven't yet learnt basic assembly skills?

How many advanced software designers made it to that position without first having some hands-on experience with the simple basics of programming a rudimentary lab-assembled computer?

One of the reasons the US has been losing its edge in the technical world is that we lack a cadre of citizens who are up-to-speed with the fundamental basics of science, maths and technology.

Although getting up to the front of the line may indeed require massive amounts of training, far beyond anything ever associated with amateur radio, amateur radio is an excellent stepping stone for getting from the status of having little or no knowledge of electronic and radio communications technology, to being qualified for success in that massive training.

And this requires something beyond fiddling with antennas and attaching them to appliances. Many of to-day's most accomplished engineers started out building a simple crystal controlled transmitter and getting it to work on the air to use with their Novice ticket.

[KG4CGC]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ April 06 2007,11:48)]Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ April 06 2007,09:54)]SWR does mean Swing Way 'Round, don't it?
I heard on channel 34 that it's Silent Watts Radiated. Those would be the watts that shoot off the end of the antenna but don't show up in the power meter.
No No, Jean Luc, it eez actooally VEESWAAR.

[KE5FRF]

I'll make a comment about the homebrewing "sidebar" discussion that is going on.

I agree with those who contend that homebrewing, kit building, and otherwise activities that expand the basic knowledge of radio theory are an essential part of ham radio, even in 2007. Supposedly, hams have been traditionally recognized by people as amateurs who are interested in electronics. Yes, modern surface mount and monolithic circuit design and the digital revolution has left 1940s superheterodyne technology in the dust...but in order to understand modern technology, one must first understand the technology that preceded it. As an Instrumentation and Control systems professional, I have to understand the latest digital microcontrollers and how they handle I/O functions, but I also have to understand the old analog pneumatic control systems circa 1930's and 40's because much of the modern equipment design is built on the fundamentals explored in years gone by. If you want to be an appliance operator, be my guest...but a well rounded amateur is one who seeks knowledge, challenges, and seeks to expand his understanding of the radio art. that is MHO FWIW.

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (KG4CGC @ April 07 2007,12:21)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ April 06 2007,11:48)]Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ April 06 2007,09:54)]SWR does mean Swing Way 'Round, don't it?
I heard on channel 34 that it's Silent Watts Radiated. Those would be the watts that shoot off the end of the antenna but don't show up in the power meter.
No No, Jean Luc, it eez actooally VEESWAAR.
LOL! Local guy here says QRMary for QRM and when he gets rattled which is 90% of the time he says QRM Mary. Nice old guy just a fuddy-duddy.

[ki4ned]

Quote[/b] ]NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF.


would be ashamed to have that in my bio http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[ai4ep]

....so WHO has those words IN their bio ?

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ April 06 2007,21:19)]....so WHO has those words IN their bio ?
Quote[/b] ] NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF.


N0CID has he above quote word for word in his QRZ Bio.

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif I think you folks can handle the fussing and putting him down all by yourselves...carry on. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kr9d]

Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ April 07 2007,10:43)]This sounds to me like the instant gratification syndrome that has so afflicted our society.

How is anyone ever going to make it to the forefront if they don't first develop an understanding of basic electricity...?
I think you'll find me agreeing with most of your grander points. I am an engineer with two degrees and plenty of science in both my training and experience. I also deplore the loss of commitment to understanding the theory and practice of technical activities. I'm repeatedly faced with young wannabes entering my profession who know how to push buttons on computer programs but who don't know how to write them or understand them, or who know how to live in a simulated world and don't know how to describe or even observe the three-dimensional one. (As a sidebar to the sidebar, however, I'm not sure that in all fields the dependence on mathematical derivation common in the training of those global competitors translates to the ability to do things in that three-dimensional world, and I still see great creative force being developed on our own shores, but that's even further adrift from the topic.)

But that wasn't my point.

My point is not that kids today are too lazy to learn math and science (or, while we are at it, language, history, and geography), or that one must understand simple programming before complex programming, or even the somewhat more tenuous position that an understanding of analog RF is basic to an understanding of modern wireless communications.

My point was that we have left behind the time when we can expect amateur radio to provide that level of training. Both of you fellows who provided rebuttal to my comment described advanced skills that you now possess, and how they required an understanding of basics. But did you attain those advanced skills by preparing (through study and experience) for the old Advanced or Extra exams? Or did you get them by studying it in college and beyond, and by working professionally in the field?

In the early days of amateur radio, the field was young enough so that an amateur could hope to advance the state of the art merely by being an active and committed amateur. And it was strategically important to advance the state of the art, even in ways attainable by amateurs using only what they learned as hams.

We get back to the question of why an ideal FCC would set aside valuable spectrum for use by amateurs. The implicit argument I see is because there is worthwhile public good in creating people with an understanding of RF. But what constitutes that understanding? There is not a line in the sand beyond which a person has it, and before which they don't. At what point does a person cross that line? Soldering skills? Antenna design? The ability to plot a Smith chart? The ability to calculate an RLC circuit? The ability to troubleshoot a faulty radio? If that line is the ability to make significant advancements in the state of the art of radio design, then I think we are not being realistic.

So, I don't think the ideal FCC should really care whether amateur radio produces people with RF technical skills. I'm not sure they ever cared. They did, however, have a strategic need for operators. Nowadays, even those who maintain military RF equipment are unlikely to have built their skill in amateur radio, let alone those who design it. (Not that they couldn't have, but that in most cases they didn't.) I think the public benefits the FCC can cite center around what trained amateurs can do with equipment, rather than what equipment they can design and make. There is some overlap, and again that line is fuzzy.

My purpose in bringing it up was NOT to argue against the importance of have those skills in order to be worthy of, say, an extra-class license.

My purpose was to argue against trying to define "real hams" in terms of those particular aspects of the hobby important to the person doing the defining.

A real ham is one whose name appears in the ULS, pure and simple. Anybody listed there can press the transmit button consistently with their privileges, and they are a real ham.

Of course, they may also be a real poor ham. Good hams should encourage them to improve, mostly by the excellence of their own example. But do you think excluding a duly licensed amateur from being a "real" ham is likely to provide the encouragement to improve?

Rick "whose soldering iron is now warmed up" Denney

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (ki4ned @ April 07 2007,22:18)]Quote[/b] ]NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF.


would be ashamed to have that in my bio http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
To each, their own. I have no problems working any licensed ham on their allocated frequency. OTOH, this is a hoot.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (ki4ned @ April 07 2007,19:18)]Quote[/b] ]NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF.


would be ashamed to have that in my bio http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
He didn't say he wouldn't talk to Technicians....

[N0CID]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,01:35)]Dave you cannot argue with guys like N0CID and N2NH

Just look at N0CID's bio he out right says "NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF"

It’s the self-righteous people like Michael that think they are god’s gift to ham radio because they passed a code test that are killing the hobby, not no-code anything.

BTW your profile is a great way to welcome new hams Mike.



FOG
Well, self so-and-so. I was honest. Further, I mean it. Ignorant flaunt *$q@!§! Stay away from my children.

"Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus entosissimis exponebantur ad necem."

& it is "seven three"

Even a Caveman can do it! Factum est! Concrete eyes!

[N0CID]

Quote[/b] (ki4ned @ April 07 2007,22:18)]Quote[/b] ]NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF.


would be ashamed to have that in my bio http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Well Idiot,

You have posted nothing. It equals what is certainly in your head. Just once in your life, something should follow (sorry, that was too much of a challenge, yes). At least when Pseudo-philosophic blah, blah is involved. The representation is precisely what has been the academic level of this forum.

Do the right thing upon returning to the kennel and bight mama on the leg.

Not nice on this side ...

[KG6QHK]

Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 07 2007,21:30)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,01:35)]Dave you cannot argue with guys like N0CID and N2NH

Just look at N0CID's bio he out right says "NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF"

It’s the self-righteous people like Michael that think they are god’s gift to ham radio because they passed a code test that are killing the hobby, not no-code anything.

BTW your profile is a great way to welcome new hams Mike.



FOG
Well, self so-and-so. I was honest. #Further, I mean it. #Ignorant flaunt *$q@!§! #Stay away from my children.

"Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus entosissimis exponebantur ad necem."

& it is "seven three"

Even a Caveman can do it! #Factum est! #Concrete eyes!
Okay Mike, so if I pass my General and Extra, and try working you CW someday, would you respond? Would you consider me a "real HAM"?

If you ask me, I TOOK my test, passed it, and got my ticket. The FCC says I'm good to go, so why can't you live with that? If it bothers you SO much, then I suggest you write your congressional rep or senator, and tell them! Otherwise, DEAL WITH IT! It's like those people who don't vote, then complain about how the election turned out. PUH-LEEZE!

In THIS particular instance, TRUST ME, you're preaching to the choir. I may be a Technician, but I was on YOUR damned side in this whole "Code / No-Code" issue, I would have loved to see the code remain. But it didn't, and we have to accept that. If you can't, then just stay in your shell, get old, and die off. Eventually, we ALL will, and what will be left is all the "no-code" graduates who will remember us as those impossible old farts who just couldn't work with the changes. Faced with your mortality, is that what you want as YOUR HAM epitaph?

I think that we're doing the hobby just as much of an injustice by taking on this pi%% poor attitude, if not more than the injustice done by stripping away the code requirement. What we have to do now is take the lemons, and make lemon meringue pie! Why don't you help us come up with THAT kind of a solution!

[N5FOG]

Its funny how Mike calls himself a "old elmer" yet he seems to have such a distaste and hate for the new hams.

How can someone with that much hate towards his students be an effective teacher?


FOG

[kn4ds]

Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 07 2007,23:43)]Well Idiot,

You have posted nothing. It equals what is certainly in your head. Just once in your life, something should follow (sorry, that was too much of a challenge, yes). At least when Pseudo-philosophic blah, blah is involved. The representation is precisely what has been the academic level of this forum.

Do the right thing upon returning to the kennel and bight mama on the leg.

Not nice on this side ...
No worries, OM, I wouldn't work you out of a burning building.

Your apparent expectation of a high "academic level" on this forum shows the level of your elitism.

We all bow to your level of academic sophistication. After all, that is the measure of one's worth as a human being. And more, the measure of one's worth as an amateur radio operator.

My BS meter's off the scale.

[N0CID]

Quote[/b] (KG6QHK @ April 08 2007,00:54)]Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 07 2007,21:30)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,01:35)]Dave you cannot argue with guys like N0CID and N2NH

Just look at N0CID's bio he out right says "NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF"

It’s the self-righteous people like Michael that think they are god’s gift to ham radio because they passed a code test that are killing the hobby, not no-code anything.

BTW your profile is a great way to welcome new hams Mike.



FOG
Well, self so-and-so. I was honest. Further, I mean it. Ignorant flaunt *$q@!§! Stay away from my children.

"Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus entosissimis exponebantur ad necem."

& it is "seven three"

Even a Caveman can do it! Factum est! Concrete eyes!
Okay Mike, so if I pass my General and Extra, and try working you CW someday, would you respond? Would you consider me a "real HAM"?

If you ask me, I TOOK my test, passed it, and got my ticket. The FCC says I'm good to go, so why can't you live with that? If it bothers you SO much, then I suggest you write your congressional rep or senator, and tell them! Otherwise, DEAL WITH IT! It's like those people who don't vote, then complain about how the election turned out. PUH-LEEZE!

In THIS particular instance, TRUST ME, you're preaching to the choir. I may be a Technician, but I was on YOUR damned side in this whole "Code / No-Code" issue, I would have loved to see the code remain. But it didn't, and we have to accept that. If you can't, then just stay in your shell, get old, and die off. Eventually, we ALL will, and what will be left is all the "no-code" graduates who will remember us as those impossible old farts who just couldn't work with the changes. Faced with your mortality, is that what you want as YOUR HAM epitaph?

I think that we're doing the hobby just as much of an injustice by taking on this pi%% poor attitude, if not more than the injustice done by stripping away the code requirement. What we have to do now is take the lemons, and make lemon meringue pie! Why don't you help us come up with THAT kind of a solution!
I do not know who 'Mike' is, but I hope that you understand that there no reason for a defense. You, however, have clearly proved that you are so neurotic that you must put up a defense, irrespective at to how futile it is, my sweet. Silence can indeed be golden, if you could learn it. Each time you and yours make a mark, I and my students are more sure. I ask them to read your 'what-ever-it-is.'

Oh, by-the-way, before your C/P, dearest, read it!

[N0CID]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 08 2007,00:54)]Its funny how Mike calls himself a "old elmer" yet he seems to have such a distaste and hate for the new hams.

How can someone with that much hate towards his students be an effective teacher?


FOG
I have given my life to stop gestapo threats: We have seen YOUR uniform. You will stop here!

[KG6QHK]

Hmm. Well, I went and read Mike's bio page, and it reads like Sybil during PMS. This guy goes from gracious to back-biter in 0.05 seconds! Okay Mike, you have this coming;

Quote[/b] ]
Learning, growing, and sharing -- overcoming obsticles -- is what is what I inherited from Ham Radio.


Bovine Scatology, based upon what I've seen from you here;
Quote[/b] ]
Well Idiot,

You have posted nothing. It equals what is certainly in your head. Just once in your life, something should follow (sorry, that was too much of a challenge, yes)....

Quote[/b] ]
NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF.


You sir, are a hipocrite. You hold out one hand in friendship, saying that you gain all these positive, life-lessons from amateur radio, but then with the other hand, you sink the knife deep into the flesh. What happened to you that made you that way? Who pi^%ed in your Wheaties? What, you think that just because we don't have to take a code test now, that we don't have anything to give to the hobby or the HAM community at large!?

I will have you know sir, that I am active in SkyWarn, TWO of the local clubs, am learning Morse, will soon be taking CERTS training, and mentoring high school students in amateur radio as well. This is ON TOP of having a full-time job, a family of FIVE, and extended family issues that keep me going between two cities, 35 miles apart. So when you point that all-knowing, hyper-critical finger at us out here, you'd better be darned cognizant of the fact that there are three more pointing back in your direction!

Quote[/b] ]
"You see a lot, Doctor. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? Come on, why don't you look at yourself and describe what you see. Or maybe you're afraid..."

(Clarise Starling, from "Silence of The Lambs")

[N0CID]

Quote[/b] (KG6QHK @ April 08 2007,00:54)]Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 07 2007,21:30)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 06 2007,01:35)]Dave you cannot argue with guys like N0CID and N2NH

Just look at N0CID's bio he out right says "NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF"

It’s the self-righteous people like Michael that think they are god’s gift to ham radio because they passed a code test that are killing the hobby, not no-code anything.

BTW your profile is a great way to welcome new hams Mike.



FOG
Well, self so-and-so. I was honest. Further, I mean it. Ignorant flaunt *$q@!§! Stay away from my children.

"Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus entosissimis exponebantur ad necem."

& it is "seven three"

Even a Caveman can do it! Factum est! Concrete eyes!
Okay Mike, so if I pass my General and Extra, and try working you CW someday, would you respond? Would you consider me a "real HAM"?

If you ask me, I TOOK my test, passed it, and got my ticket. The FCC says I'm good to go, so why can't you live with that? If it bothers you SO much, then I suggest you write your congressional rep or senator, and tell them! Otherwise, DEAL WITH IT! It's like those people who don't vote, then complain about how the election turned out. PUH-LEEZE!

In THIS particular instance, TRUST ME, you're preaching to the choir. I may be a Technician, but I was on YOUR damned side in this whole "Code / No-Code" issue, I would have loved to see the code remain. But it didn't, and we have to accept that. If you can't, then just stay in your shell, get old, and die off. Eventually, we ALL will, and what will be left is all the "no-code" graduates who will remember us as those impossible old farts who just couldn't work with the changes. Faced with your mortality, is that what you want as YOUR HAM epitaph?

I think that we're doing the hobby just as much of an injustice by taking on this pi%% poor attitude, if not more than the injustice done by stripping away the code requirement. What we have to do now is take the lemons, and make lemon meringue pie! Why don't you help us come up with THAT kind of a solution!
One more thing, pumpkin,

What is with the 'if'? I did not ask you, you blithering idiot and I do no need or want to ask you. You really are stupid.

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 07 2007,00:36)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 08 2007,00:54)]Its funny how Mike calls himself a "old elmer" yet he seems to have such a distaste and hate for the new hams.

How can someone with that much hate towards his students be an effective teacher?


FOG
I have given my life to stop gestapo threats: We have seen YOUR uniform. You will stop here!
Stop gestapo threats http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Mikey I think you need to get back on your medication and seek professional help because you have seriously flipped your wig.


FOG

[N0CID]

Quote[/b] (KG6QHK @ April 08 2007,01:40)]Hmm. Well, I went and read Mike's bio page, and it reads like Sybil during PMS. This guy goes from gracious to back-biter in 0.05 seconds! Okay Mike, you have this coming;

Quote[/b] ]
Learning, growing, and sharing -- overcoming obsticles -- is what is what I inherited from Ham Radio.


Bovine Scatology, based upon what I've seen from you here;
Quote[/b] ]
Well Idiot,

You have posted nothing. It equals what is certainly in your head. Just once in your life, something should follow (sorry, that was too much of a challenge, yes)....

Quote[/b] ]
NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF.


You sir, are a hipocrite. You hold out one hand in friendship, saying that you gain all these positive, life-lessons from amateur radio, but then with the other hand, you sink the knife deep into the flesh. What happened to you that made you that way? Who pi^%ed in your Wheaties? What, you think that just because we don't have to take a code test now, that we don't have anything to give to the hobby or the HAM community at large!?

I will have you know sir, that I am active in SkyWarn, TWO of the local clubs, am learning Morse, will soon be taking CERTS training, and mentoring high school students in amateur radio as well. This is ON TOP of having a full-time job, a family of FIVE, and extended family issues that keep me going between two cities, 35 miles apart. So when you point that all-knowing, hyper-critical finger at us out here, you'd better be darned cognizant of the fact that there are three more pointing back in your direction!

Quote[/b] ]
"You see a lot, Doctor. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? Come on, why don't you look at yourself and describe what you see. Or maybe you're afraid..."

(Clarise Starling, from "Silence of The Lambs")

Well draft dodger, if you could read, you wold understand. Whoever is reading to you should provide you with a bit more information.

[N0CID]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 08 2007,01:41)]Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 07 2007,00:36)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 08 2007,00:54)]Its funny how Mike calls himself a "old elmer" yet he seems to have such a distaste and hate for the new hams.

How can someone with that much hate towards his students be an effective teacher?


FOG
I have given my life to stop gestapo threats: We have seen YOUR uniform. You will stop here!
Stop gestapo threats http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Mikey I think you need to get back on your medication and seek professional help because I think you have flipped your wig.


FOG
Evidently, you are not able to understand. My sympaties, to someone...

[KE5FRF]

No worries. There are a ton of CW ops on HF who will work you no matter what testing requirments you upgraded by. I am one of them so see you on the bands!

Just don't expect me to use a PTT.

[N0CID]

Quote[/b] (KG6QHK @ April 08 2007,01:40)]Hmm. Well, I went and read Mike's bio page, and it reads like Sybil during PMS. This guy goes from gracious to back-biter in 0.05 seconds! Okay Mike, you have this coming;

Quote[/b] ]
Learning, growing, and sharing -- overcoming obsticles -- is what is what I inherited from Ham Radio.


Bovine Scatology, based upon what I've seen from you here;
Quote[/b] ]
Well Idiot,

You have posted nothing. It equals what is certainly in your head. Just once in your life, something should follow (sorry, that was too much of a challenge, yes)....

Quote[/b] ]
NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF.


You sir, are a hipocrite. You hold out one hand in friendship, saying that you gain all these positive, life-lessons from amateur radio, but then with the other hand, you sink the knife deep into the flesh. What happened to you that made you that way? Who pi^%ed in your Wheaties? What, you think that just because we don't have to take a code test now, that we don't have anything to give to the hobby or the HAM community at large!?

I will have you know sir, that I am active in SkyWarn, TWO of the local clubs, am learning Morse, will soon be taking CERTS training, and mentoring high school students in amateur radio as well. This is ON TOP of having a full-time job, a family of FIVE, and extended family issues that keep me going between two cities, 35 miles apart. So when you point that all-knowing, hyper-critical finger at us out here, you'd better be darned cognizant of the fact that there are three more pointing back in your direction!

Quote[/b] ]
"You see a lot, Doctor. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? Come on, why don't you look at yourself and describe what you see. Or maybe you're afraid..."

(Clarise Starling, from "Silence of The Lambs")

Oh, i forgot, idiot.... YOU have NO ground to stand-on; therefore, that, which you may spew, has NO value. That includes, you and your ilk. Can you not read? No, you can not!

What an idiot!

[N0CID]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 08 2007,01:44)]No worries. There are a ton of CW ops on HF who will work you no matter what testing requirments you upgraded by. I am one of them so see you on the bands!

Just don't expect me to use a PTT.
Too many words. At my age, there is atrophy. Thank you for the indulgence. Oh no! a big word again. sri

PS Not a 'whatever.'

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 08 2007,00:51)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 08 2007,01:44)]No worries. There are a ton of CW ops on HF who will work you no matter what testing requirments you upgraded by. I am one of them so see you on the bands!

Just don't expect me to use a PTT.
Too many words. #At my age, there is atrophy. #Thank you for the indulgence. # Oh no! a big word again. #sri

PS #Not a 'whatever.'
Go take your Prozac.

[kd7msc]

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q203/gothamknight1/delano_cc_toilet.jpg[/IMG]

Time to flush this crap http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 07 2007,00:52)]Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 08 2007,00:51)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ April 08 2007,01:44)]No worries. There are a ton of CW ops on HF who will work you no matter what testing requirments you upgraded by. I am one of them so see you on the bands!

Just don't expect me to use a PTT.
Too many words. At my age, there is atrophy. Thank you for the indulgence. Oh no! a big word again. sri

PS Not a 'whatever.'
Go take your Prozac.
And to think Heath you were trying to be nice to. I hate to think what he would have said to if you had been mean to him LOL


FOG

[N0CID]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 08 2007,01:41)]Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 07 2007,00:36)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 08 2007,00:54)]Its funny how Mike calls himself a "old elmer" yet he seems to have such a distaste and hate for the new hams.

How can someone with that much hate towards his students be an effective teacher?


FOG
I have given my life to stop gestapo threats: We have seen YOUR uniform. You will stop here!
Stop gestapo threats http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Mikey I think you need to get back on your medication and seek professional help because you have seriously flipped your wig.


FOG
I do want to impart one thing here to yYOU (just what all here present have voted you) #######. I AM what you are not, and can never be, an old, old, Elmer. It is late and I must QRT, and those around me at this moment, who laugh at you wile I make these useless entries. The 13 yr old (Gerneral, since 11), just told grandpa to go to bed; he already knows your kind. More I shall not say.

[N0CID]

Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 08 2007,01:58)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 08 2007,01:41)]Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 07 2007,00:36)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 08 2007,00:54)]Its funny how Mike calls himself a "old elmer" yet he seems to have such a distaste and hate for the new hams.

How can someone with that much hate towards his students be an effective teacher?


FOG
I have given my life to stop gestapo threats: We have seen YOUR uniform. You will stop here!
Stop gestapo threats http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Mikey I think you need to get back on your medication and seek professional help because you have seriously flipped your wig.


FOG
I do want to impart one thing here to yYOU (just what all here present have voted you) #######. I AM what you are not, and can never be, an old, old, Elmer. It is late and I must QRT, and those around me at this moment, who laugh at you wile I make these useless entries. The 13 yr old (Gerneral, since 11), just told grandpa to go to bed; he already knows your kind. More I shall not say.
O.K. they want to know where your armband is---

Good bye

[KG6QHK]

Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 07 2007,22:43)]Quote[/b] (KG6QHK @ April 08 2007,01:40)]Hmm. Well, I went and read Mike's bio page, and it reads like Sybil during PMS. This guy goes from gracious to back-biter in 0.05 seconds! Okay Mike, you have this coming;

Quote[/b] ]
Learning, growing, and sharing -- overcoming obsticles -- is what is what I inherited from Ham Radio.


Bovine Scatology, based upon what I've seen from you here;
Quote[/b] ]
Well Idiot,

You have posted nothing. #It equals what is certainly in your head. #Just once in your life, something should follow (sorry, that was too much of a challenge, yes)....

Quote[/b] ]
NO-CODE Generals/Extras, et al, are NOT REAL HAMS. For those folks, please don't bother working me on HF.


You sir, are a hipocrite. You hold out one hand in friendship, saying that you gain all these positive, life-lessons from amateur radio, but then with the other hand, you sink the knife deep into the flesh. What happened to you that made you that way? Who pi^%ed in your Wheaties? What, you think that just because we don't have to take a code test now, that we don't have anything to give to the hobby or the HAM community at large!?

I will have you know sir, that I am active in SkyWarn, TWO of the local clubs, am learning Morse, will soon be taking CERTS training, and mentoring high school students in amateur radio as well. This is ON TOP of having a full-time job, a family of FIVE, and extended family issues that keep me going between two cities, 35 miles apart. So when you point that all-knowing, hyper-critical finger at us out here, you'd better be darned cognizant of the fact that there are three more pointing back in your direction!

Quote[/b] ]
"You see a lot, Doctor. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? Come on, why don't you look at yourself and describe what you see. Or maybe you're afraid..."

(Clarise Starling, from "Silence of The Lambs")

Well draft dodger, if you could read, you wold understand. #Whoever is reading to you should provide you with a bit more information.
DRAFT DODGER!? You are an UBER-lid! I NEVER shirked my responsibility to my country, and YOU have NO RIGHT IN HELL OR HIGH WATER to call me a "Draft Dodger"!

I will have you know, "my sweet", that I served my country faithfully and without reservation for SIX YEARS in the United States Army. I have seen more in those six years than you will EVER see in your lifetime. I have spit more sand, eaten more blood, fired more rounds downrange, and done more for the greater good than you are capable of conceiving!

Choose your words more carefully next time, Michael. You can call me an idiot if you feel the need. You can call me any name in the book. But you may NOT call my service to my country into question. You have no right to do so, you do not know what is on my DD-214, and I don't recall seeing you at ANY of my duty stations. In short, GET A CLUE.

[kd7msc]

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[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 08 2007,00:58)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 08 2007,01:41)]Quote[/b] (N0CID @ April 07 2007,00:36)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 08 2007,00:54)]Its funny how Mike calls himself a "old elmer" yet he seems to have such a distaste and hate for the new hams.

How can someone with that much hate towards his students be an effective teacher?


FOG
I have given my life to stop gestapo threats: # We have seen YOUR uniform. #You will stop here!
Stop gestapo threats http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Mikey I think you need to get back on your medication and seek professional help because you have seriously flipped your wig.


FOG
I do want to impart one thing here to yYOU (just what all here present have voted you) #######. #I AM what #you are not, and can never be, an old, old, Elmer. #It is late and I must QRT, and those around me at this moment, who laugh at you wile I make these useless entries. #The 13 yr old (Gerneral, since 11), just told grandpa to go to bed; he already knows your kind. #More I shall not say.
Are you teaching your grandchildren to be crap-stirrers too? No wonder the younger generation is in the shape its in. Geesh.

Look man, I am in agreement with you on CW. Hell, I gave FOG a hard time on this thread. But they have also got a point. What good does it do to say, "I won't work you on HF because you didn't pass a code test"?...That's really assinine. Are you a CW op or not? Seems like if you are a real CW op, you probably won't run into these guys anyway. And if you DO run into them on CW, what's the problem? If they are working CW, seems like they ARE trying to be "real hams"!!! Why would you hold something against someone when the rules are the rules? The FCC made this decision, not them.

At any rate, more power to you. You are a big boy and can work whomever you please. I'm sure thats no sweat for these guys. Plenty of TRUE Elmers out there who'll encourage them and Elmer them without a chip on their shoulder.

BTW, I hate chips on shoulders. No-code chip or code chip, its all the same, the same silly, ignorant tripe. Meet us sane folks in the middle somewhere and enjoy ham radio, all of "yuz guyz" with the ridiculous chips.

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] ]N0CID: Do the right thing upon returning to the kennel and bight mama on the leg.
I love these self-proclaimed geniuses.

Bight? Oh, "bite". I got it.

Besides that, which I just couldn't resist pointing out after watching you repeatedly call folks here "idiot", I have to say that you take the cake, win the award, etc. Without a doubt, none even close, your are the most hateful amateur radio operator towards new hams that I've ever stumbled across.

From this 20 wpm extra class operator, allow me to publicly request that if you ever hear my callsign on the air, please do not respond. I can see no reason whatsoever I would want to work you in any mode, on any band, ever.

And have a nice day, if that's even possible.

[ki4ned]

Quote[/b] ]Well Idiot,

You have posted nothing. #It equals what is certainly in your head. #Just once in your life, something should follow (sorry, that was too much of a challenge, yes). #At least when Pseudo-philosophic blah, blah is involved. #The representation is precisely what has been the academic level of this forum.

Do the right thing upon returning to the kennel and bight mama on the leg.

Not nice on this side #...


are you related to kkkaroll, by any chance?

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (ki4ned @ April 08 2007,06:19)]Quote[/b] ]Well Idiot,

You have posted nothing. It equals what is certainly in your head. Just once in your life, something should follow (sorry, that was too much of a challenge, yes). At least when Pseudo-philosophic blah, blah is involved. The representation is precisely what has been the academic level of this forum.

Do the right thing upon returning to the kennel and bight mama on the leg.

Not nice on this side ...


are you related to kkkaroll, by any chance?
Call: KI4NED Class: No Code General
Call: KG6QHK Class: Technician
Call: KD7MSC Class : No Code Extra

Let me be clear about whay I mean by this. As new HF residents and potential HF residents, the "side" you need to take with regard to issues concerning things like the snipes against Mr. Madera and your vocality against older amateurs is "NO SIDE". You should remain neutral until you understand the real issues involved.

I understand the need to rush out to win friends and be accepted, but truthfully being on either side in some of these things is something that might follow you around for some time to come and turn out to be more embarrasing than not taking sides.

Believe me that as an Amateur involved in some of the more interesting aspects of AR off the air, my bulldog mouth has gotten me into more trouble than it is really worth sometimes. Probably this is another example. At any rate, I make this suggestion for your consideration.

Good luck with whatever you choose.

[KG6QHK]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ April 08 2007,09:44)]Quote[/b] (ki4ned @ April 08 2007,06:19)]Quote[/b] ]Well Idiot,

You have posted nothing. #It equals what is certainly in your head. #Just once in your life, something should follow (sorry, that was too much of a challenge, yes). #At least when Pseudo-philosophic blah, blah is involved. #The representation is precisely what has been the academic level of this forum.

Do the right thing upon returning to the kennel and bight mama on the leg.

Not nice on this side #...


are you related to kkkaroll, by any chance?
Call: KI4NED #Class: No Code General
Call: KG6QHK Class: Technician
Call: KD7MSC Class : No Code Extra

Let me be clear about whay I mean by this. #As new HF residents and potential HF residents, the "side" you need to take with regard to issues concerning things like the snipes against Mr. Madera #and your vocality against older amateurs is "NO SIDE". #You should remain neutral until you understand the real issues involved.

I understand the need to rush out to win friends and be accepted, but truthfully being on either side in some of these things is something that might follow you around for some time to come and turn out to be more embarrasing than not taking sides.

Believe me that as an Amateur involved in some of the more interesting aspects of AR off the air, my bulldog mouth has gotten me into more trouble than it is really worth sometimes. #Probably this is another example. #At any rate, I make this suggestion for your consideration. #

Good luck with whatever you choose.
Let me be VERY clear in what I'm about to say, Charles. It is, has been, and always will be my individual right to take the side I believe is the right one. A man with no convictions is hardly a man at all...

In the Karol Madera issue, that goes WAY beyond amateur radio its self. If you have ever heard the pedantic psycho-babbling hate speech that comes from this man's station, you might feel the same way.

You might feel otherwise, but Michael was WAY out of line to call my military service into question like he did. Again, it's my right to defend what I have accomplished in life, not just in this HOBBY.

Code, no-code identifications will do you NO good in making friends on this side of the timeline. If I work you CW in the near future, what the BLUE HE&^ does it matter what some website says!? What counts is that we LEARNED the code, are active in the hobby, and having fun.

[KB1GYQ]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ April 08 2007,12:44)]Quote[/b] (ki4ned @ April 08 2007,06:19)]Quote[/b] ]Well Idiot,

You have posted nothing. It equals what is certainly in your head. Just once in your life, something should follow (sorry, that was too much of a challenge, yes). At least when Pseudo-philosophic blah, blah is involved. The representation is precisely what has been the academic level of this forum.

Do the right thing upon returning to the kennel and bight mama on the leg.

Not nice on this side ...


are you related to kkkaroll, by any chance?
Call: KI4NED Class: No Code General
Call: KG6QHK Class: Technician
Call: KD7MSC Class : No Code Extra

Let me be clear about whay I mean by this. As new HF residents and potential HF residents, the "side" you need to take with regard to issues concerning things like the snipes against Mr. Madera and your vocality against older amateurs is "NO SIDE". You should remain neutral until you understand the real issues involved.

I understand the need to rush out to win friends and be accepted, but truthfully being on either side in some of these things is something that might follow you around for some time to come and turn out to be more embarrasing than not taking sides.

Believe me that as an Amateur involved in some of the more interesting aspects of AR off the air, my bulldog mouth has gotten me into more trouble than it is really worth sometimes. Probably this is another example. At any rate, I make this suggestion for your consideration.

Good luck with whatever you choose.
Given that the FCC's database did not distinguish between "tech" and "tech-plus" for the last year or so of the code requirement, it is not possible to tell if someone is a "no code general" or "no code extra" (whatever that is intended to mean), unless the individual themselves has stated that they never passed the code test.

[KG6QHK]

Quote[/b] (KB1GYQ @ April 08 2007,18:00)]Given that the FCC's database did not distinguish between "tech" and "tech-plus" for the last year or so of the code requirement, it is not possible to tell if someone is a "no code general" or "no code extra" (whatever that is intended to mean), unless the individual themselves has stated that they never passed the code test.
Well, as I understand it, there IS a website that keeps track of that kind of thing...

If you ask me, it doesn't matter. Had this guy simply asked me what my license class is / was, I would gladly share that. To reiterate, for all those that are in doubt;

Yes, I am a Technician. Yes, I will soon be upgrading, but not before = YES, I am learning the code. Not because I have to, but because I WANT to. Personally, I think that says more for a person than doing it the other way, because it displays a level of "gumption" if you will, in that the determination to learn it is left to the individual. Yes, I intend to use good operating procedures, such as zero-beating, proper CW terminology, and doing as much with QRP as possible.

I ALSO want to get into kit building. I find that I'm starting to agree with KE5FRF and the others, about being just an "appliance operator" versus a genuine amateur radio enthusiast. Back when I was a kid, I took apart my toys to find out what made 'em tick. I lost that curiosity somewhere along the way, and it's high time I regained it. Amateur radio is one of the BEST opportunities to rekindle that magic!

[DL3WV]

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[DL3WV]

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[N8CPA]

Quote[/b] (DL3WV @ April 09 2007,01:55)]---
Versteh' ich nicht.

[ki4ned]

Quote[/b] ]Call: KI4NED #Class: No Code General
Call: KG6QHK Class: Technician
Call: KD7MSC Class : No Code Extra

these guys dont have an offending bio...



Quote[/b] ]Let me be clear about whay I mean by this. #As new HF residents and potential HF residents, the "side" you need to take with regard to issues concerning things like the snipes against Mr. Madera #and your vocality against older amateurs is "NO SIDE". #You should remain neutral until you understand the real issues involved

so basicly you tell me to shut up when "grown ups" are talking? dont get me wrong, i always respect guys, that have a better knowledge than me..

Quote[/b] ]Believe me that as an Amateur involved in some of the more interesting aspects of AR off the air, my bulldog mouth has gotten me into more trouble than it is really worth sometimes. #Probably this is another example

it probably is....

at least im free to say what i dont like, and i do it. get a spine, man

73

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (KG6QHK @ April 08 2007,13:56)]Let me be VERY clear in what I'm about to say, Charles. It is, has been, and always will be my individual right to take the side I believe is the right one. A man with no convictions is hardly a man at all...
I merely gave you a suggestion. You may rightly or not have an issue with Mandera, but when you join the activity of those who thrive from the attention gained from their activity against him, you're not on a winning team either. If your "manliness" requires this kind of participation, then Mandera is the least of your problems.

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (ki4ned @ April 09 2007,09:18)]at least im free to say what i dont like, and i do it. get a spine, man
Yep, always been my problem. No spine. ROFL!

[ki4ned]

Quote[/b] ]Yep, always been my problem. No spine. ROFL!


lol, take it easy.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[KG6QHK]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ April 09 2007,09:45)]Quote[/b] (KG6QHK @ April 08 2007,13:56)]Let me be VERY clear in what I'm about to say, Charles. It is, has been, and always will be my individual right to take the side I believe is the right one. A man with no convictions is hardly a man at all...
I merely gave you a suggestion. You may rightly or not have an issue with Mandera, but when you join the activity of those who thrive from the attention gained from their activity against him, you're not on a winning team either. #If your "manliness" requires this kind of participation, then Mandera is the least of your problems.
Oh, for criminy sake, Chuck! Okay, let me CLARIFY:

A PERSON (man OR woman) without convictions is merely floating along through life...

I'm merely making an observation when it comes to Karol. The TRUE issue is with the hate speech and divisiveness, not just from KM. I would say that you are dead wrong about being on the winning team. If I take the moral high-ground, I consider myself a winner from the git-go. Doesn&#