Used gear prices?

[w3mv]

I have been in involved in several pricey hobbies in my life, but I have never seen anything like amateur radio when it comes to the prices of used gear. In most other hobbies, one is lucky to get 60% of retail for an item that is basically in brand new condition (i.e., spotless and in perfect working condition). I have seen well-used radios listed at ten-percent below retail (a few were even ten-percent above retail on eBay). Clearly, some people are foolish/desperate enough to spend "new" money on non-collectable used items.

[WB2WIK]

Yep, you noticed!

[K0RGR]

Yes, and when you find something priced way below average, you really need to look that gift horse in the mouth.

I recently bought a TM-D700A on EBay. I thought I did pretty well getting it for around $400, until I discovered that they had dropped the price of a new one to under $500. The unit arrived with the faceplate covered with some kind of goo that was fortunately washable, and a microphone with a mechanical problem. I'm not as thrilled as I was before. Of course, the first signs of the new TM-D710A arrived the next week.

This is about the limit of what I'd spend on EBay. I don't go to casinos when I can't afford to gamble, and EBay is one big casino.

[N5LRZ]

I have always stated it and will state it again to verify your observation....

Amateur Radio is definately NOT NOT NOT for poor people or for the middle class if one wants to do the thing the right way.

Too bad they do not put that in the license maual. We would probably lose fewer people to the shock of the price of cost of the good equipment.

N5LRZ

[N2RJ]

You guys are referring to ebay.

Go to a hamfest and you can bargain your way down.

I got a TS-440S for $250.

I love that rig.

[N0CID]

N5LRZ's note is well worth reading. It is an important point, as big chunks of money can be involved..

But, backing up to K0RGR's post, it is important for the purchaser to be sober to the fact that used equipment usually comes with no warranties of any kind and usually books, manuals, & assesories fail to be with it. Thirty years ago, I decided to buy only new. I saved and bought my wife and me the rigs we wanted The dealership took care of us if there would be any problems. That is a good feeling.

My nephew just asked me about a used rig. I gave him this information. I added, "please remember that the price you pay, may be the sum you lose."

In the end, the consumer should understand this. Now, conversley, I have a couple of used rigs that I have had for forty years; they are still working fine.

I hope this helps

Regards, n0cid http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[K5RCD]

Quote[/b] (ab3ex @ April 04 2007,14:33)]I have been in involved in several pricey hobbies in my life, but I have never seen anything like amateur radio when it comes to the prices of used gear. #

Evidently you have not been involved in the gun hobby.
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[w3mv]

I was looking for a used Z-11 to use with my FT-817ND, and was amazed to see how high things had gotten on eBay and all of the on-line swap sites lately. It makes absolutely no sense to purchase used gear at near new prices. Heck, I purchased a brand new Vibroplex Square Brass Racer iambic paddle at the Baltimore Hamfest last weekend for less than the used on-line price.

[kn4ds]

Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ April 04 2007,15:28)]I have always stated it and will state it again to verify your observation....

Amateur Radio is definately NOT NOT NOT for poor people or for the middle class if one wants to do the thing the right way.

Too bad they do not put that in the license maual. We would probably lose fewer people to the shock of the price of cost of the good equipment.
Could make it a requirement that potential new hams have to provide their tax returns for the past 3 or 5 years to prove that they have the income necessary to put a station on the air... commercial broadcasters have to prove they have the bucks... so why not amateurs?

What would you consider to be the minimum income level, or verifiable savings level, at which one would then be allowed to be licensed?

[K5FH]

Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ April 04 2007,13:28)]Amateur Radio is definately NOT NOT NOT for poor people or for the middle class if one wants to do the thing the right way.
What is "the right way" to do Amateur Radio?

For some, a used 100W low-end rig and dipoles are fine. #For others, the latest multi-kilobuck DC-to-daylight ricebox, a 2kW amp, and stacked monobanders at 100 ft. are "the right way." #Depends on the individual and his particular wants, needs, and circumstances.

That said, I agree...this isn't a poor man's hobby. #But, then, neither are boats, cars, guns, antiques, stamp collecting, or wenching.

The "right way" is what's right for YOU.

[ka9inv]

Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ April 04 2007,07:28)]I have always stated it and will state it again to verify your observation....

Amateur Radio is definately NOT NOT NOT for poor people or for the middle class if one wants to do the thing the right way.
Define "right."

I guess I had better get my silly broke self out of amateur radio, since there's obviously no place for low-income college students! Is my 100W FT-920 and 40m dipole and home-brewed vertical not enough to be an amateur? If not, then don't work me. Plenty of other CW ops would be glad to have the QSO.

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[kr9d]

Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ April 04 2007,13:28)]Amateur Radio is definately NOT NOT NOT for poor people or for the middle class if one wants to do the thing the right way.
I'm solidly middle class, and I've spent more for a tuba than all but the very most expensive radio on the market--a radio that 99.9% of hams do just fine without.

I know middle-class astronomy buffs who have paid more for a mirror than an Alpha legal-limit amp.

And not-at-all-rich bass fisherman who have more invested in rods and reels than I have in my tubas. They have more invested in their boat than I have in my motorhome restoration project.

For what I've invested in other hobbies, I could set up a station that would be indestinguishable in terms of performance in any practical terms. And, like most folks in the middle class, I live on my paycheck.

Of course, one can define "right" so narrowly that they become the only person who is so.

Rick "not buying it" Denney

[kn4ds]

Just for grins, and to prove a point, I just got on 40m and called CQ... (7.185 or so... jump on and call, let's see if I can pull you out of the QRN this evening)... worked a mobile in IL and a station in PA right quick... from Perry (central), GA.

On my FT-101EE that I paid $150 for (back in January), and I have about $30 in the dipole that's up about 30 feet.

Kind of makes you go "wtf?" to those who claim you gotta have a lot of money to be in the hobby.

Around 100 watts into a cheap wire dipole, and it appears I can make contacts any time. I have less than $200 in the HF station.

[ka9inv]

And as far as I'm concerned, THAT is true ham radio. Anyone with money to throw around can put a beam 200' in the air and put out 1500W and make contacts, but where is the challenge in that?

[kn4ds]

The challenge is to pull anything out of the noise that's 20 over this evening.

[N1VAU]

Quote[/b] (k5rcd @ April 04 2007,14:08)]Evidently you have not been involved in the gun hobby.
Yeah, you got that right!!!

Stop dis'n eBay. How the heck are we supposed to get top $$ for our stuff.
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[kj3n]

I don't know why any of you people waste your time arguing with Ray. He's not going to be convinced you can have fun without spending tens of thousands of dollars in a effort to win very contest on the planet. Winning is everything, you know. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

There are damned few radios out there above $1500 that would make sense for me to buy, given the antennas and land I have to work with. It just doesn't make sense to blow $10K on a radio when all you have are wire antennas. I'd rather blow $10K on the antenna farm, if I had the room and the money.

I've bought several new radios over the years, not one of which was over $1500 dollars and I've had quite a bit of fun in ham radio. Several of the radios I own are used, most costing $500 or less. The first radio I ever owned was a used IC-745 (cost me $700) and that gave me nearly 10 years of fun.

Two loop antennas and 2 wire verticals hanging from trees have netted me every continental U.S. state on 80m, 40m, and nearly all of them on 160m. In the last 6 months I've racked up 92 DXCC entities on 75m phone using nothing more than a shortened, elevated vertical and my large loop antenna (365 feet overall).

The used AL-80B cost me $600 and the used Dentron MT-3000A was under $100. Both major bargains by any measure, but I was in the right place at the right time in those cases. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I'll agree that ham radio might not be for the dirt poor, but middle class incomes should be able to do it.

[N5FOG]

There is no "wrong way to do ham radio".

As with any hobby these days, you have two kinds of people.

You have the average Joe who gets into ham radio to just relax and enjoy them self and take their mind off other things.

And then you have the other type, the "one-uppers" the ones that have to make everything a competition and cannot enjoy the hobby unless they have the best of everything to show off and are always at the top looking down.

In the 15 years I've been in ham radio I've seen quite a few poor hams. I've seen a few poor hams that were disabled and could barely makes ends meet at times but they really enjoyed the hobby and were very happy with just a old used 100watt radio and dipole.

What people like Ray fail to realize is that just because he can’t be happy and enjoy the hobby with old 100 watt radio and a dipole doesn’t mean others can’t.

In the end the only thing that counts is how happy YOU are with the hobby not anyone else.


FOG

[ky5u]

Big mystery. Alot of new HF Amateurs, new prices were already steep, used prices are going to go up. Supply and demand. But as someone said, get thee to a Hamfest. Prices have held low there so far.

[KI4ITV]

Quote[/b] (k5rcd @ April 04 2007,09:08)]Quote[/b] (ab3ex @ April 04 2007,14:33)]I have been in involved in several pricey hobbies in my life, but I have never seen anything like amateur radio when it comes to the prices of used gear.

Evidently you have not been involved in the gun hobby.
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or Sailing...
I could haul my boat bi-annually or buy a new tranciever.
I'll play radio for a while.

[ai4ep]

but can you use that BASS BOAT on a rainy day or in the snow ?

How often will you USE that rifle / shotgun / pistol #?

Sure, the boat or gun is easier to sell used to JOHN DOE TAXPAYER, but I think you will have a lot more fun with a simple set up on amateur radio. #

Plus there is the " stolen / try to sell at a pawnshop " scenerio...you will have a harder time trying to sell a stolen / used amateur rig to a pawn shop, since therer aint that many folks out there looking for them....as compared to attempting to sell a USED / STOLEN #bass boat or a gun of any type.

Guns / boats are not that much of a specialty item like amateur radios.

Also, there aint THAT many folks that can afford to drive a vehicle with a gun rack across the rear window, pulling a bass boat, with an amateur radio under the dash...hard to afford all 3 !!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # # # 2 out of the 3 might be common, but it aint often you see any one rich enough to have all 3 . # # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

aw come on, it wont kill you to smile, or will it ?

[w3mv]

For what it is worth, I am not complaining about the price of new gear. One is paying for the warrantee with new gear. However, when used gear approaches the price of new gear, it tells me that people are being foolish with their money. I have a couple of other expensive hobbies that make amateur radio look cheap by comparison, but no one in those hobbies would pay 90%+ of retail for used late model gear.

[w3dub]

Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ April 04 2007,19:12)]Just for grins, and to prove a point, I just got on 40m and called CQ... (7.185 or so... jump on and call, let's see if I can pull you out of the QRN this evening)... worked a mobile in IL and a station in PA right quick... from Perry (central), GA.
Hey UWL.. lets sked something sometime.. I need Georgia on 40M http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif We can talk to each other on our low-budget stations.. hehe

[k9kjm]

I guess you were into the wrong hobbies from an investment standpoint............
Try collecting quality firearms. #The price goes UP after a few years, NOT down.........
Or how about collecting old U.S. gold and silver coins....
Those prices go UP more than they go down...........

ANY items true value is whatever a willing buyer is willing to pay for it!

Like lots of hobbies, You can spend as much as you like on ham radio! #(OR you can also have lots of fun without spending all that much money IF you buy good used equipment at a reasonable price from a fellow ham!)

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[K8YZK]

It's not just amateur radio. I also like photography, and take a look at used lens or just a good camera body, WOW, but then again who is keeping the prices high, it is us. If someone sell radio x for $xxx price, and others know it then when they sell the same radio they expect the same price. Does it mean it is worth it, no, but with supply and demand, you might get what you think it is worth, not what it is actually worth.

[kn4ds]

Quote[/b] (k9kjm @ April 05 2007,00:57)]Like lots of hobbies, You can spend as much as you like on ham radio! (OR you can also have lots of fun without spending all that much money IF you buy good used equipment at a reasonable price from a fellow ham!)
It helps, especially with the older rigs, if you can repair it yourself.

I'm in the midst of restoring an old FT-101E that'd be CB-ized and given up for dead.

It works now, after a fashion... didn't have the drive it needed, and needs new finals. When finished, I probably won't have $150 in it.

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ April 05 2007,05:34)]Quote[/b] (k9kjm @ April 05 2007,00:57)]Like lots of hobbies, You can spend as much as you like on ham radio! (OR you can also have lots of fun without spending all that much money IF you buy good used equipment at a reasonable price from a fellow ham!)
It helps, especially with the older rigs, if you can repair it yourself.

I'm in the midst of restoring an old FT-101E that'd be CB-ized and given up for dead.

It works now, after a fashion... didn't have the drive it needed, and needs new finals. When finished, I probably won't have $150 in it.
You da man! Great work.

[kn4ds]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ April 05 2007,12:05)]You da man! Great work.
Nah, I'm just a ham... but thanks... I've actually made a 40m contact in Louisiana a few days ago with that rig... it's still got a ways to go, it's pretty deaf, etc... but I enjoy tinkering with it.

[WA7KKP]

Thanks to e-pay, or as some call it, e-greed, prices have shot sky high . . . when there are more dollars then sense after radio gear, that's exactly what you get.

Many years ago, I attended an auction in Stanley, KS. The auctioneer thought ham radio was expensive, until he saw good working gear go for a few dollars each. He specifically commented on how CHEAP he found equipment to be . . .

Oh, forgot to mention I "picked up" a Johnson Desk Kilowatt there. Took four of us to pick it up, and that was without the desk attached.

Gary WA7KKP

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (WA7KKP @ April 06 2007,14:10)]Thanks to e-pay, or as some call it, e-greed, prices have shot sky high . . . when there are more dollars then sense after radio gear, that's exactly what you get.
I still don't understand why people will pay almost new prices for used gear with no warranty on E-Pay.

I'm amazed at the going rate of TL-922 amps on ebay, I've seen several of them go for over 1600$ lately. compaired to the asking price of $900-$1000 on the QRZ ads.

One of the biggest scams people don't know about or realize is happening is the "second chance" scam.

You put in a bid for an item and at the last minute someone puts in a outrageously high bid for the item and you loose the item.

Then a couple of days later you get a second chance offer from the seller claiming the top bidder has refused to pay for the item and they offer it to you for your highest bid.

Another version of the second chance scam is instead of claiming the high bidder didn't pay, will say they have another of the same item.

Most people don't realize the top bid was a shill bid and was done for the purpose of get the most for the item from next highest bidder on a second chance offer.

I've talked to several local hams who think they "lucked out" by getting the second chance deal and where able to get the item for a steal when in all reality they were scammed.


Caveat emptor.


FOG

[KC0OFZ]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ April 07 2007,14:33)]Quote[/b] (WA7KKP @ April 06 2007,14:10)]Thanks to e-pay, or as some call it, e-greed, prices have shot sky high . . . when there are more dollars then sense after radio gear, that's exactly what you get.
I still don't understand why people will pay almost new prices for used gear with no warranty on E-Pay.

I'm amazed at the going rate of TL-922 amps on ebay, I've seen several of them go for over 1600$ lately. compaired to the asking price of $900-$1000 on the QRZ ads.

One of the biggest scams people don't know about or realize is happening is the "second chance" scam.

You put in a bid for an item and at the last minute someone puts in a outrageously high bid for the item and you loose the item.

Then a couple of days later you get a second chance offer from the seller claiming the top bidder has refused to pay for the item and they offer it to you for your highest bid.

Another version of the second chance scam is instead of claiming the high bidder didn't pay, will say they have another of the same item.

Most people don't realize the top bid was a shill bid and was done for the purpose of get the most for the item from next highest bidder on a second chance offer.

I've talked to several local hams who think they "lucked out" by getting the second chance deal and where able to get the item for a steal when in all reality they were scammed.


Caveat emptor.


FOG
That reminds me of when I watched a voice unit for a FT-847 (and others) go for around $129.00. This may or may not sound bad until on would look and a NEW one could be purchased for about $39.99. Oh well, hope they enjoyed that voice unit. Maybe they though it would talk on the air for them. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kb0ltt]

Quote[/b] (w3mv @ April 04 2007,12:33)]I have been in involved in several pricey hobbies in my life, but I have never seen anything like amateur radio when it comes to the prices of used gear. #In most other hobbies, one is lucky to get 60% of retail for an item that is basically in brand new condition (i.e., spotless and in perfect working condition). # I have seen well-used radios listed at ten-percent below retail (a few were even ten-percent above retail on eBay). #Clearly, some people are foolish/desperate enough to spend "new" money on non-collectable used items.
If you think Ham radio is pricy try pricing aircraft. A J3 Piper Cub that may have sold for 2000 bucks 30 yrs ago cant be touched nowdays for less than 10 grand. Unless its a wreck in need of major repairs.

[K4EMQ]

[QUOTE]Amateur Radio is definately NOT NOT NOT for poor people or for the middle class if one wants to do the thing the right way.

Poor people talk on the radio all day and rich people are selling high priced radios on ebay.

[k4kyv]

I see low cost kits advertised in the ham radio rags. I always preferred to build my own out of junk that I scrounged from what someone else didn't want.

A few years ago a local broadcast station GAVE me free of charge a tube type AM broadcast transmitter in return for removing it from their premises. I repaired it, then converted it to operate on 160m. Probably have less than $50 invested in the whole thing.

It's not quite instant gratification, but I have always managed to learn something new with every rig I ever built or converted.

[KB0LPI]

There are always deals to be had, you have to know where to look. Radio can be as expensive or cheap depending on what you want to do.

Icom 7800 and a KW.5 on a 150 ft tower? expensive.


Icom 718 and a dipole? Not too bad.

I have to agree with the used gear prices on Ebay. I've been looking for a 2m mobile unit. I've been looking at Icom units like the IC-25
and IC-28 A/H series and seen them go in the $70-$80 range. Huh? These are 20 year old used radios some with 25W max power.

"Worked last time it was used."

Yeah, My car ran the last time I drove it, but that doesn't mean it runs now.

My new FT-1802M from HRO ($125) should arrive tomorrow. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

EDIT: Now I see W8IM has a 25H for $35 in the for sale section. Now that was the kind of deal I was looking for. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[wg7x]

Another way to look at this is to amortize the price of average Amateur gear over the year(s) that you use it.

I purchased most of my gear over a two year period between 1988-1989. I spent almost $5K all told. I still have all that equipment, which has been in almost daily use. In the intervening years the equipment has held up well in performance and price.

19 years or so is about $.72 a day. Not too bad, especially if you look at the amount of money that I've spent on computers since I started in 1984. Almost $10k in computer hardware alone! (Let's not sully the discussion by talking about the absurd cost of software!)

That works out to almost $1.20 a day over 23 years. The radio is looking better and better, and the computers will continue to be replaced about every five years or so, while the radio gear keeps on working, and working and working...

BTW, just for the discussion, I do still have my original IBM PC in working order... I kept it because I intended to use it for RTTY and PACKET. It still works, and might yet be of use. The other brands... Well lets just be charitable and say that they went by the wayside about every two to five years and leave it at that.

Any one want to buy a used Packard-Bell?

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73 Gary

[K8YZK]

Buyer beware. Yes the prices can be high, but Ham Radio is not the only hobby like this. Take a look at Photography it's the same way.

Also with the change in the yen/dollar can effect the price of used gear. I have a X-brand radio I bought new when the exchange rate was good. The radio was $499, now the same radio new is $599 so if I wanted to sell it would I sell it for less then $499, probably not.

As someone else said, go to a hamfest and deal there, but if you buy a used rig no matter where, hamfest or online, you must think the price is ok, or you would have never bought it.

Kurt

[ai4ep]

...the SELLER does not set the price, the dude with the money sets the price.

& it is only because a few folks keep the prices " jacked up so high " that the rest of us suffer with their greediness.

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[WA7KKP]

Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ April 04 2007,13:28)]Amateur Radio is definately NOT NOT NOT for poor people or for the middle class if one wants to do the thing the right way.
N5LRZ
I beg to differ with you --

Ham radio can be expensive, if you think you HAVE to have that top-of-the-line DC to light transceiver.

Now I have done some good deals, and have purchased ham gear for less than the cost of lunch at a national McFranchise. It all depends on what you want, and how deep your pockets are.

Just don't go by the prices on e-pay/e-greed. There are too many dollars and too little sense out there. Not to mention paying UPS a king's ransom for shipping.

Gary WA7KKP

[W0BKR]

I am amazed at the nit wits that buy IC-7800's or the like when a radio for 2000-3000 will work just as well.

Then again, if you have to have the most current whiz bang radio...then have at it.

If I bought one, which I wouldn't even consider, I would find myself going mobile with it. The XYL would throw me out for being that foolish with money....rightfully so!

[ka0sog]

Just think if you spend enough money on gear you don't have to waste your time learning all that junk about propagation you can just blast right through!

Maybe we ought to start a new mode. #Instead of QRP we could QR$ for guys wno communicate effectively for cheap. #

We could have WAS & WAC for QR$. #Lets take into contesting too! #We could have the QR$ contest weekend where real people operate for points.

[ky5u]

Latest eBay goober is the guy selling an 811H AMP he clams has 4 "500Z" tubes in it and it puts out 2000W. Says it is 2 weeks old.

<A href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Ameritron-AL-811H-Linear-Amp_W0QQitemZ300102173263QQihZ020QQcategoryZ48700Q QssPageNameZWDV
WQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem">Linky Dinky</A>

[k8elr]

Hi,

Try collecting guitars or guns.

Gibson L5 fair condition $3k+.

Martin D-18, $20k and up

Fender Stratocaster (1958) model #$18k

Fender Stratocaster (1952) 25k

Gibson L5 fine condition (1925) $35K

GUNS-

Sharps Hartford 1874 #1 Mid Range $20k

Boss & Co. Best Sidelock Ejector 20 Gauge $60k

I am a lucky guitar and gun collector want to be.
I have just one of them from this list.

Ham Radio is cheap compared to these prices.
But it is interesting, educational and just plain FUN!
It's definately worth what ever it costs you do what you like to do in this hobby.

73

[k4kyv]

Or how about this (http://stereophile.com/tubepoweramps/704wavac/)?

Or this (http://www.alumrocktech.com/amplifier.shtml)? (After viewing the product, click on the prices link (http://www.alumrocktech.com/prices.shtml).)

[kc2irv]

I know the prices on ebay of used gear or gear in need of repair is a bit over the top. I was bidding on an ICOM 751 once with no mic or power cord and the price went to $535! I usaully like to buy broken gear and repair it but on ebay the prices some people drive this stuff up to is just nuts. I am finding the fests are beginning to follow suit as well. May it was the dropping of the code that did it lol.

[KC9GUZ]

Heck i didnt spend a fortune to get on the air. I just bought a used Kenwood TS 830S for $350.00 from a fellow ham and that rig is the best bang for the buck ive spent so far! I love it! I do have a few new items that i bought that were pricey, (to me they were) but its all worth it. Im not afraid to spend some cash on an item as long as i know its quality. But what amazes me is some operators like to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on expensive radios and amps and digital audio processing equipment and some of them actually dont sound all that great on the air. I dont need a $12,000.00 HF rig, $8,000.00 amp 200' tower and a big high dollar fancy tribander to have fun! I have a logbook and a ton of QSL cards(including quite a few from contests) from all over to prove that i can have fun with a fairly reasonable amount of money. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KC9GUZ]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ April 16 2007,10:34)]Latest eBay goober is the guy selling an 811H AMP he clams has 4 "500Z" tubes in it and it puts out 2000W. Says it is 2 weeks old. #

<A href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Ameritron-AL-811H-Linear-Amp_W0QQitemZ300102173263QQihZ020QQcategoryZ48700Q QssPageNameZWDV

WQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem">Linky Dinky</A>
I would like to know what he is smoking.
I have that very same amp and it uses 811A tubes NOT 500z's. What a joke.......

[kl7aj]

You can't judge ham radio prices by E-bay at all. We practically GIVE away used H.F. rigs to new hams....and we still can't get them on the air.

eric

[n9vo]

Quote[/b] (KC9GUZ @ April 16 2007,14:26)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ April 16 2007,10:34)]Latest eBay goober is the guy selling an 811H AMP he clams has 4 "500Z" tubes in it and it puts out 2000W. Says it is 2 weeks old.

<A href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Ameritron-AL-811H-Linear-Amp_W0QQitemZ300102173263QQihZ020QQcategoryZ48700Q QssPageNameZWDV


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I would like to know what he is smoking.
I have that very same amp and it uses 811A tubes NOT 500z's. What a joke.......
I asked and he verified that it had the "z" tubes and that is sure would do the 2000 out, especially on 11 meters!!!! That makes it a sure bargain...... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w0ikz]

I'm gonna laugh all the way to the bank in the morning. I think of all the $$ I saved not buying NEW gear for many years. I have gotten USED gear that's a mess electronically cuz I can fix the dern things to operate like new.. I've donated some to schools and the like, because no one will buy the OLD stuff any more.
Thanks to those of you that have elevated me to the middle class. I now have an identity!
Oh, 3JGU try 72251 southcars net, 12:00/2:00 EST daily.
I may even be there to give you Ga.
73 flip

[w0ikz]

3 JGU,, that's 7.251 Mhz for southcars. Ga stations generally on there