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Why are the stars on the Republican logo upside down as the satanic pentagrams? What is the purpose of not following the star design that the founders of this nation ordained if they are to use these symbols and not make it into an abomination? Why not inscribe the number 6 inside each star?
Does anyone know why? Inquiring minds want to know.
k4uug
03-29-2007, 02:09 AM
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Why are the stars on the Republican logo upside down as the satanic pentagrams? #What is the purpose of not following the star design that the founders of this nation ordained if they are to use these symbols and not make it into an abomination? #Why not inscribe the number 6 inside each star? #
Does anyone know why? #Inquiring minds want to know.
YEA AND ELVIS IS ALIVE !
I think I found a way to fix the stars...
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Why are the stars on the Republican logo upside down as the satanic pentagrams? What is the purpose of not following the star design that the founders of this nation ordained if they are to use these symbols and not make it into an abomination? Why not inscribe the number 6 inside each star?
Does anyone know why? Inquiring minds want to know.
YEA AND ELVIS IS ALIVE !
Elvis IS alive, OM.
http://www.8notes.com/wiki/images/ElvisCostello2.jpg
K8MHZ
03-29-2007, 03:09 AM
It has something to do with the hand sign they all use.
We should all be really freaked out by this.
k0pvw
03-29-2007, 03:10 AM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Mar. 28 2007,19:16)]I think I found a way to fix the stars...
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Not being a true Republican, I laugh at this, most would consider me a RINO(Republican In Name Only). I tend to favor the middle of the road, I think the Republican party is too far right and the Democrats are too far left. But I cant seem to find a good party in between them. Look at it this way Republicans tax and give it to thier friends, and the Democrats just tax and spend it! Rob
K8MHZ
03-29-2007, 03:12 AM
From About.com...
Quote[/b] ]Point up, or Point Down?
A "point down" pentacle is nothing new- nor is it necessarily Satanic when it appears as such. Historical depictions of the pentagram were as likely to be points down as point up- a distinction between one or the other was rarely made by the ancients. Even today, one must not assume a point down pentagram is Satanic, as it is just likely to be Masonic, Wiccan, or simply upside-down. Some inexperienced Wiccans will occasionally claim that a point down pentacle is Satanic, but such a symbol has at times represented the Wiccan horned God, and is still today an emblem of the Second Degree initiation in Gardnerian Wicca.
See, nothing to worry about. It's just Wiccan.
Quote[/b] (kb0pvw @ Mar. 28 2007,14:10)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Mar. 28 2007,19:16)]I think I found a way to fix the stars...
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Not being a true Republican, I laugh at this, most would consider me a RINO(Republican In Name Only). I tend to favor the middle of the road, I think the Republican party is too far right and the Democrats are too far left. But I cant seem to find a good party in between them. Look at it this way Republicans tax and give it to thier friends, and the Democrats just tax and spend it! Rob
Yeah. That is how we exited deficit spending about 10 years ago; by taxing little and spending less.
KB1KIX
03-29-2007, 04:35 AM
Elvis is not only alive... he's got the toe!
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Jonathan
KG4CGC
03-29-2007, 07:08 AM
Quote[/b] (KB1KIX @ Mar. 28 2007,23:35)]Elvis is not only alive... he's got the toe!
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Jonathan
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KG4CGC
03-29-2007, 07:50 AM
fully
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Thaanhk ewe. Thaanhk ewe and Bring 'em on.
kk7ue
03-30-2007, 04:08 AM
In all fairness (you guys on the left scream up fairness all the time), whats up with the democrat logo? While theres nothing neo about my conservativism either, Ive always wondered why the democrats chose a donkey/jackass as its logo. Seriously, whats up with that.
anyway
I always thought perhaps the democrats were a little more honest with their logo. At least you knew up front what they were all about......bray bray bray, give it all away # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
hey hey ho ho, the asses gotta go
hey hey ho ho, the asses gotta go
Quote[/b] (KB1KIX @ Mar. 28 2007,20:35)]Elvis is not only alive... he's got the toe!
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Jonathan
I didn't know John Belushi had reincarnated...
N5NPO
03-30-2007, 11:49 AM
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Why are the stars on the Republican logo upside down as the satanic pentagrams? #What is the purpose of not following the star design that the founders of this nation ordained if they are to use these symbols and not make it into an abomination? #Why not inscribe the number 6 inside each star? #
Does anyone know why? #Inquiring minds want to know.
This is the Haliburton approved logo. Any other questions?
K9STH
03-30-2007, 04:55 PM
XR:
If you check your history you will find that the 5-pointed star was not specified by the "founding fathers". It was not until after the American Civil war that "Old Glory" was "standardized" with 5-pointed stars. There is the "story" about Betsy Ross in that she changed the design that was prescribed by Congress which was to use 6-pointed stars because she had problems making the star and someone showed her how to fold cloth and make a 5-pointed star with a single cut of the scissors. Now the 6-pointed star that was prescribed by Congress was NOT the "Star of David" which is two equalateral triangles and NOT a solid star. Go to http://www.usflag.org/history/historicflags.html for some examples of flags with other than 5 points.
During the American Revolution and every war from that period until after the Civil War there were flags with 5, 6, and 8 pointed stars in general use, even a few with 4. Also, white stars were not prescribed until well after the Civil War. Prior to that many flags had silver and gold stars on them instead of white stars.
Also, the "in line" positioning of the stars was not prescribed until well after the Civil War. Of course everyone knows the "Betsy Ross" flag with the 13 stars in a circle. However, other patterns were often used including ovals, diamonds, half-circles, as well as the "in line" types.
Until after the Civil War the 5-pointed stars were often in the same position as in the Republican symbol, that is with the center point going down instead of up. Also, they were common at other angles. There were numerous flags used by the Union and Confederate forces that had the stars "upside down" as well as at all sorts of angles.
For several decades during the mid nineteenth century the "official" flags of the United States of America were almost square, not the rectangular (usually 3 X 5 ratio) of the earlier years and of today. The "official" size of the American flag was 6 feet on the "staff" and 6 feet 6 inches on the "fly". However, many flags still held to the rectangular 3 X 5 ratio.
The Confederate Battle Flag was officially 4 feet square. The Confederate naval jack, which used the same basic design (blue cross of St. Andrew on red background with white stars) was the 3 X 5 ratio rectangle. Also, the "Stars & Bars", also known as the Confederate "First National" (see http://www.usflag.org/history/confederatestarsandbars.html for examples of the various Confederate flags) was the 3 X 5 ratio.
There are photos of many flags from both the Union and Confederacy in the 3-volume set entitled "Illustrated History of the Civil War - Echoes of Glory series" published by Time-Life Books. In those volumes you will find all sorts of examples of star placement and stars with different number of "points".
Basically, your "question" as to why the Republican symbol uses pentagrams in a "satanic" mode and your comment that this is not what was prescribed by the "founding fathers" is nothing more than a "swipe" at the Republican Party. The positioning of the stars has been such by many flags used during the history of the United States of America.
Glen, K9STH
KC2KFC
03-30-2007, 06:28 PM
Quote[/b] ] The now-famous Democratic donkey was first associated with Democrat Andrew Jackson's 1828 presidential campaign. His opponents called him a jackass (a donkey), and Jackson decided to use the image of the strong-willed animal on his campaign posters. Later, cartoonist Thomas Nast used the Democratic donkey in newspaper cartoons and made the symbol famous.
Quote[/b] ] Nast invented another famous symbol—the Republican elephant. In a cartoon that appeared in Harper's Weekly in 1874, Nast drew a donkey clothed in lion's skin, scaring away all the animals at the zoo. One of those animals, the elephant, was labeled “The Republican Vote.” That's all it took for the elephant to become associated with the Republican Party.
Factmonster (http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0881985.html)
kg4kww
03-30-2007, 06:36 PM
That is DISGUSTING!!!!!
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I have never seen a row of totally upside down stars used to represent this nation or subset of this nations respected individuals. Quote[/b] ]Basically, your "question" as to why the Republican symbol uses pentagrams in a "satanic" mode and your comment that this is not what was prescribed by the "founding fathers" is nothing more than a "swipe" at the Republican Party. The positioning of the stars has been such by many flags used during the history of the United States of America.
Provide the picture of the flag that uses the row of upside down stars, please.
The 5 pointed star was what appears to me what was on the flag in 1777 when Congress voted on it. A picture is worth a thousand words.
Am I taking a "swipe" at the Republican Party? No. I asked a simple question. 3XR get on and blasts actual people who think for themselves without asking questions about what they are thinking. I, who really want to know if light can be shed on this subject, am asking if there is someone who knows what the story is. You have not provided the history for this star arrangement on the Republican logo. You point to numerous distractions and deny that the founders even knew what a star looked like.
But, Mr. Moderator, if we are not supposed to ask questions on this site, please let me know now.
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Honestly, now. If I had to pick one, I feel that the lower logo is more visually appealing. But that is just my opinion.
Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Mar. 30 2007,08:55)]
Quote[/b] ]Basically, your "question" as to why the Republican symbol uses pentagrams in a "satanic" mode and your comment that this is not what was prescribed by the "founding fathers" is nothing more than a "swipe" at the Republican Party. The positioning of the stars has been such by many flags used during the history of the United States of America.
So what if it is a "swipe against the Republican party'? That's no worse than some of the other rhetoric that gets tossed around on this forum.
I think you're being a LITTLE too sensitive...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ Mar. 30 2007,07:24)]So what if it is a "swipe against the Republican party'? That's no worse than some of the other rhetoric that gets tossed around on this forum.
I think you're being a LITTLE too sensitive...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
I would really like to know if questions are banned on the Zed.
Sensitivity has nothing to do with it.
Glen did not seem to show up in his moderator hat, but rather, wearing a barrel full of naked facts. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
K9STH
03-30-2007, 09:41 PM
6D:
Nope, I'm not being sensitive, just pointing out some facts about the stars on the flag.
XR:
Go to http://k9sth.com/uploads/Rev_flags_composite_1.JPG for a few scans from the "Echoes of Glory" volumes showing the "upside down" stars. These are just examples of many in the books and many more flags that were used in the Civil War. Note that in these examples the stars are gold. On the same page are several examples of Revolutionary War flags with other than 5 pointed stars.
Go to http://k9sth.com/uploads/Rev_flags_composite_2.JPG for more examples of Revolutionary War flags with other than 5 pointed stars.
Also go to http://www.fotw.us/flags/us-1777.html#alliance for examples of Revolutionary War flags with other than 5 pointed stars and examples of those with "upside down" stars.
Glen, K9STH
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Honestly, now. If I had to pick one, I feel that the lower logo is more visually appealing. But that is just my opinion.
Well, in light that as we grew up as a country, and flags were standardized to where they are today (stars points up), it would follow that the standard GOP symbol would at least attempt to follow suit. Especially when downward pointing 5 pointed stars have been associated with evil in modern society. This is a connotation they should be aware of, but, whatever they do, then that's entirely up to them.
BTW, I am somewhat familiar with the history of the US flag, yet have never seen one with all the stars points down. There may have been one, but I've never seen it.
KC2KFC
03-30-2007, 10:16 PM
When are the troops coming home?
Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Mar. 30 2007,09:16)]When are the troops coming home?
Wait until the satanic rituals of the Republican party are completed with the human sacrificing and all, then they return home. It is pretty easy.
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KC2KFC
03-30-2007, 11:02 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Mar. 30 2007,15:40)]Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Mar. 30 2007,09:16)]When are the troops coming home?
Wait until the satanic rituals of the Republican party are completed with the human sacrificing and all, then they return home. #It is pretty easy.
http://www.diosa.net/art-net/Heroes-Return.JPG
So Jerry, the truth comes out. You think the stars signify satanism and therefore you believe all Republicans are satan's minions?
Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Mar. 30 2007,18:16)]When are the troops coming home?
When the Congressional bill goes through. That all depends on Georgie at this stage.
KC2KFC
03-30-2007, 11:09 PM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Mar. 30 2007,16:06)]Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Mar. 30 2007,18:16)]When are the troops coming home?
When the Congressional bill goes through. #That all depends on Georgie at this stage.
Will it be March 30, 2008 or August 30, 2008?
Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Mar. 30 2007,19:09)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Mar. 30 2007,16:06)]Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Mar. 30 2007,18:16)]When are the troops coming home?
When the Congressional bill goes through. That all depends on Georgie at this stage.
Will it be March 30, 2008 or August 30, 2008?
Apparently the earliest that we can expect is Jan. 21, 2009, since George is making sure the military will not get their monies by keeping his veto promise.
KC2KFC
03-30-2007, 11:12 PM
I don't think congress will let that happen.
Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Mar. 30 2007,19:12)]I don't think congress will let that happen.
I'm glad you think they have to votes to over-ride George's veto. I don't share that sentiment. I think George vetoes and the troops come out as soon as the money runs out, thanks to his grandstanding by not acknowledging Congresses rather persuasive powers and right to control the purse strings.
KC2KFC
03-30-2007, 11:17 PM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Mar. 30 2007,16:15)]Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Mar. 30 2007,19:12)]I don't think congress will let that happen.
I'm glad you think they have to votes to over-ride George's veto. #I don't share that sentiment. #I think George vetoes and the troops come out as soon as the money runs out, thanks to his grandstanding by not acknowledging Congresses rather persuasive powers and right to control the purse strings.
Here's the way I see it. Bush is not running for President again so he has nothing to lose with a veto. Members of congress have to run for reelection. I don't think they can override the veto, but they'll be sure to fund the troops.
Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Mar. 30 2007,19:17)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Mar. 30 2007,16:15)]Quote[/b] (KC2KFC @ Mar. 30 2007,19:12)]I don't think congress will let that happen.
I'm glad you think they have to votes to over-ride George's veto. I don't share that sentiment. I think George vetoes and the troops come out as soon as the money runs out, thanks to his grandstanding by not acknowledging Congresses rather persuasive powers and right to control the purse strings.
Here's the way I see it. Bush is not running for President again so he has nothing to lose with a veto. Members of congress have to run for reelection. I don't think they can override the veto, but they'll be sure to fund the troops.
Could be. Bush will only go lower in the polls if he vetoes (America really doesn't like the war). Congress could call his bluff and summarily end the war by stopping all the funding immediately. That would give them time to come home.
We will see. I think they give the funding too, but I don't see it without Bush declaring this a war - which means he has to go to Congress to get the war voted on. How can they vote for funding for a war that is undeclared? This could be interesting.
K9STH
03-31-2007, 12:30 AM
NH:
I had a lengthy list of Internet links with photos of actual flags from the Civil War with upside down stars. Unfortunately, my computer locked up and I lost all of them! Among them was the main flag flown at Fort Sumter.
I would suggest that you look at the links that I provided in my earlier post or get a copy of the "Echoes of Glory" volumes wherein there are all sorts of examples of Civil War "upside down" stars flags. Most libraries have copies of this 3-volume series. Also, "Echoes of Glory" is "the bible" for information on equipment, flags, weapons, etc., for Civil War re-enactors and many of those persons have personal copies.
I did look in several volumes that I have with actual photographs of the Civil War (volumes devoted to hundreds of photographs). However, in those photos where a flag was shown it was blurred by movement in the wind (remember that during that time the subjects had to remain very still for up to a minute, or more). But, I do have a separate photograph in my collection of President Lincoln in General McClellen's tent which was taken on 4 October 1862 after the Battle of Antietam (by Photographer Mathew B. Brady) which shows a flag draped over a table. Those stars are definitely "upside down".
For many years the "official" flags for the United States military actually had gold stars instead of white stars. From what I have read (including a couple of articles on the Internet) this was because most flags were made from silk and had the stars painted on them. Although silver paint would more closely approximate white the silver paint from that era (which had real silver in it) actually turned black over time and therefore the flags would have black stars on them. Gold paint does not tarnish (again paint back then often had real gold in it, at least the quality of paint used on official flags) and was therefore specified for use on national flags.
I have a reproduction flag from the Civil War era that is the 6 foot by 6 foot 6 inches that has gold painted stars. That flag also has the stars in a diamond shape rather than oval or parallel lines as do the majority of flags. I also have a 3 X 5 foot Civil War reproduction national flag that I purchased at the Kennesaw Mountain National Military Park that has the stars in two concentric circles with an additional 4 stars, one in each corner of the blue field.
Again, definitely not all flags from the Revolutionary War through a couple of decades after the Civil War had upside down stars and not all flags had them "right side up". From what I can find out about 50 percent of the flags had them "right side up", about 40 percent had them "upside down", and about 10 percent had them "every which way".
During the Revolutionary War over half of the flags had stars with more than 5 points (mostly 6 points but also 4 and 8 were used). By the time of the Civil War the vast majority of flags had stars with 5 points. However, there were still a number of flags with 6 points in use by both the Union and Confederacy (and a very few with even 8 points).
Glen, K9STH
Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Mar. 30 2007,20:30)]NH:
I had a lengthy list of Internet links with photos of actual flags from the Civil War with upside down stars. Unfortunately, my computer locked up and I lost all of them! Among them was the main flag flown at Fort Sumter.
I would suggest that you look at the links that I provided in my earlier post or get a copy of the "Echoes of Glory" volumes wherein there are all sorts of examples of Civil War "upside down" stars flags. Most libraries have copies of this 3-volume series. Also, "Echoes of Glory" is "the bible" for information on equipment, flags, weapons, etc., for Civil War re-enactors and many of those persons have personal copies.
I did look in several volumes that I have with actual photographs of the Civil War (volumes devoted to hundreds of photographs). However, in those photos where a flag was shown it was blurred by movement in the wind (remember that during that time the subjects had to remain very still for up to a minute, or more). But, I do have a separate photograph in my collection of President Lincoln in General McClellen's tent which was taken on 4 October 1862 after the Battle of Antietam (by Photographer Mathew B. Brady) which shows a flag draped over a table. Those stars are definitely "upside down".
For many years the "official" flags for the United States military actually had gold stars instead of white stars. From what I have read (including a couple of articles on the Internet) this was because most flags were made from silk and had the stars painted on them. Although silver paint would more closely approximate white the silver paint from that era (which had real silver in it) actually turned black over time and therefore the flags would have black stars on them. Gold paint does not tarnish (again paint back then often had real gold in it, at least the quality of paint used on official flags) and was therefore specified for use on national flags.
I have a reproduction flag from the Civil War era that is the 6 foot by 6 foot 6 inches that has gold painted stars. That flag also has the stars in a diamond shape rather than oval or parallel lines as do the majority of flags. I also have a 3 X 5 foot Civil War reproduction national flag that I purchased at the Kennesaw Mountain National Military Park that has the stars in two concentric circles with an additional 4 stars, one in each corner of the blue field.
Again, definitely not all flags from the Revolutionary War through a couple of decades after the Civil War had upside down flags and not all flags had them "right side up". From what I can find out about 50 percent of the flags had them "right side up", about 40 percent had them "upside down", and about 10 percent had them "every which way".
During the Revolutionary War over half of the flags had stars with more than 5 points (mostly 6 points but also 4 and 8 were used). By the time of the Civil War the vast majority of flags had stars with 5 points. However, there were still a number of flags with 6 points in use by both the Union and Confederacy (and a very few with even 8 points).
Glen, K9STH
I'm familiar with the 6 pointed stars - I own a Bennington Flag. And I really like circular star patterns in the field that some flags have, they're an interesting part of our past. There's a great selection of Civil War flags at Grant's Tomb, many I'd never seen before. I'd really like to see the upside-down stars. That would really be interesting - although I got to admit, I doubt I'd fly one of those. I'll try to Google it.
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K9STH
03-31-2007, 01:08 AM
The 15 star Fort McHenry flag has most of its stars upside down!
Take a look at
http://realtyvan.com/flag.html
for a photo of the original. Now most "modern" reproductions have the stars right side up, but not in the original.
Glen, K9STH
K6UEY
03-31-2007, 01:13 AM
It is interesting how you guys blame Bush for vetoing the Bill that Congress specially taylored so he would veto it.
He told Congress if the bill contained a date to with draw so as to inform the enemy he would veto it. That's EXACTLY what they did.I don't think the public is as stupid as you guys think they are.If Congress does not submit a new Bill it might be the last Bill they work on.
The public supports the troops,it is only the power hungry Democrats who are willing to sacrifise the lives of the troops to prove a point. The public is SICK and TIRED of the Bushbashing and the Democratic party putting this nation in danger just so they can regain power.
He may have his down side but there is one thing the World has discovered about GWB. When he warns he will do some thing ,you had better step aside or you will get run over,because by GOD or any other way it will get done !!
k4kyv
03-31-2007, 02:28 AM
Usually I'm not given to liking or disliking words as such... it takes a sentence to get on my nerves. Yet other people often talk about how it makes their skin crawl to hear they in the singular, such as Tell each student THEY can leave when THEY finish the test. Others have a problem with irregardless, and so on.
Well, these days there is a word that gives me a little dose of annoyance at least once a day. It's troops – specifically, the use of that word as a stand-in for soldiers, Marines, airmen and sailors.
Our national conversation about this war would be more honest if the usage of troops when one means soldiers were considered clumsy, and even rude.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9163122
Hi Orv,
I am sorry to disagree with you.
The public is Tired of Bush and his total disregard for the sentiments of America and the Law. He acts as if he is above the law. It also should be noted that this current administration is considered to be the most Corrupt of any in Modern History. His administaration is also labeled as "OUT OF TOUCH" with America.
The troops want to come Home, America wants the troops to come home and the Iraqis want us to go home.
What more does Bush need for reasons ??
Time to cut our losses and go home !!
One thing I have learned about GWB is, If he doesn't have a reason to show you for what he has done or is about to do, He will make one up, such as WMD, yellow cake.. etc.. etc..
Now, It has been shown so many times that GWB and his Political Cronies ( Rove for one) will Lie, cheat and steal to get their way. Time to put a stop to these jackels and perhaps put them all in jail for treason. Bush needs to be Impeached at the very least !
Gordon
Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Mar. 30 2007,21:13)]It is interesting how you guys blame Bush for vetoing the Bill that Congress specially taylored so he would veto it.
He told Congress if the bill contained a date to with draw so as to inform the enemy he would veto it. That's EXACTLY what they did.I don't think the public is as stupid as you guys think they are.If Congress does not submit a new Bill it might be the last Bill they work on.
The public supports the troops,it is only the power hungry Democrats who are willing to sacrifise the lives of the troops to prove a point. The public is SICK and TIRED of the Bushbashing and the Democratic party putting this nation in danger just so they can regain power.
He may have his down side but there is one thing the World has discovered about GWB. When he warns he will do some thing ,you had better step aside or you will get run over,because by GOD or any other way it will get done !!
It really is amazing how many on the right think that we live in a Monarchy. As president, Bush is limited in power due to system of checks and balances as deliniated in the Constitution. Bush can say whatever he wants, he less power over Congress than the voters do. He can NOT tell Congress what they're job is. Heck, he barely knows what HIS job is. And the voters, America, have made it clear they do not like this war. They do not want Bush in charge of it. They have put the Democrats in power in BOTH houses of Congress to deal with this. Democrats are doing what America put them in Congress for.
Orv, why are you having trouble with the idea that we live in a Democracy and that America has decided?? And if Bush vetoes this, contrary to his partisian rhetoric, it will be Bush and not Congress that will be endangering our troops by delaying funding. Especially since America has already said that this is what they want.
Being a socialist, I'm glad that there is at least SOME red in the flag!
w2amr
03-31-2007, 08:48 PM
Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Mar. 30 2007,18:13)]It is interesting how you guys blame Bush for vetoing the Bill that Congress specially taylored so he would veto it.
He told Congress if the bill contained a date to with draw so as to inform the enemy he would veto it. That's EXACTLY what they did.I don't think the public is as stupid as you guys think they are.If Congress does not submit a new Bill it might be the last Bill they work on.
The public supports the troops,it is only the power hungry Democrats who are willing to sacrifise the lives of the troops to prove a point. The public is SICK and TIRED of the Bushbashing and the Democratic party putting this nation in danger just so they can regain power.
Bush's numbers are in the 30's and the Cons just got their asses kicked in the last election. The Dems are in the process of exposing the most corrupt administration in the history of our country, and the voters are loving it. Dream on .