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W3MIV
03-28-2007, 08:12 PM
Babs Boxer is the perfect spokesperson to assure the defeat. Again.
ERA -- It's baaaaa-aaaaaaacccccccckkkkk! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17822543/)
Of course, this is nothing but a renewed effort to support those few whacko liberal organizations that support the Liberal Left Thigh of the Demokrats.
Can some ridiculous measure in support of worse teachers from the NEA be far behind? Johnny is already so stupid he can't figure simple arithmetic without an electronic calculator (and the briefest foray into these threads clearly proves the worth of English grammar and spelling in this modern age of the Ueber NEA), but any appeal to reason or reality will be jettisoned on the altar of political pay-back.
Can't wait to hear the speeches from great paragons of women's rights like Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank. Or some of the grand pronouncements from giant intellects like Ms Boxer. Perhaps we shall hear from Liberal Lights of the magnitude of Grand Wizard Byrd (if he manages not to drool on his shirt front) and Legal Literati of the Edwards ilk.
Promises to be fun. Beware those unintended consequences. They often bite like hell.
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W4MAJ
03-28-2007, 08:25 PM
Why is legislation like this necessary in the first place? I can not think of a single instance -- in the civilian sector -- where men and women are not already equal. Perhaps some of you who are wiser than am I can enlighten me.
Is the idea to integrate women onto male dominated sports teams like the NFL or NBA? Again, I'm confused.
W3MIV
03-28-2007, 08:33 PM
Quote[/b] (W4MAJ @ Mar. 28 2007,15:25)]Why is legislation like this necessary in the first place? I can not think of a single instance -- in the civilian sector -- where men and women are not already equal. Perhaps some of you who are wiser than am I can enlighten me.
Is the idea to integrate women onto male dominated sports teams like the NFL or NBA? Again, I'm confused.
The point is wholly political. It has no merit in actual law.
K0RGR
03-28-2007, 08:38 PM
I think the ERA is a thing whose time has come and gone. I don't see any blatant discrimination against women, and this is where I part company with a lot of liberals.
A disparity in the average pay of male and female executives is not going to be fixed by an ERA. It's going to be fixed eventually by more women moving into the top positions, which will certainly happen.
Indeed, there are currently far more females in our colleges than men. The trend is for dominance by the females.
Conditions have changed radically since the ERA was first introduced. The only reason we would want to enact it would be to create another cinder in the eye of the Islamic fundamentalists and others who still treat their women as property.
W3MIV
03-28-2007, 09:33 PM
Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Mar. 28 2007,15:38)]A disparity in the average pay of male and female executives is not going to be fixed by an ERA. It's going to be fixed eventually by more women moving into the top positions, which will certainly happen.
It is happening -- has been happening for more than a decade. The only thing that holds women back is their own inhibitions.
I know a great many women who own and run their own businesses and are very successful. Also a number who are top-selling sales"men" for major corporations working the in computer/networking industry and one who is a top-ranked broker in California.
You say ERA to any of them and they roll their eyes and smile. It is all political eye-wash and done to garner votes from the kinds of people who could not qualify for those kinds of positions if the had guns!
Politics.
Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Mar. 28 2007,12:12)]Babs Boxer is the perfect spokesperson to assure the defeat. Again.
ERA -- It's baaaaa-aaaaaaacccccccckkkkk! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17822543/)
Of course, this is nothing but a renewed effort to support those few whacko liberal organizations that support the Liberal Left Thigh of the Demokrats.
Can some ridiculous measure in support of worse teachers from the NEA be far behind? Johnny is already so stupid he can't figure simple arithmetic without an electronic calculator (and the briefest foray into these threads clearly proves the worth of English grammar and spelling in this modern age of the Ueber NEA), but any appeal to reason or reality will be jettisoned on the altar of political pay-back.
Can't wait to hear the speeches from great paragons of women's rights like Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank. Or some of the grand pronouncements from giant intellects like Ms Boxer. Perhaps we shall hear from Liberal Lights of the magnitude of Grand Wizard Byrd (if he manages not to drool on his shirt front) and Legal Literati of the Edwards ilk.
Promises to be fun. Beware those unintended consequences. They often bite like hell.
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Quote[/b] ]Quote (W3MIV @ Mar. 28 2007,07:54)
Quote (n9xr @ Mar. 28 2007,10:09)
I am sorry that MIV refuses to accept the truth.
The truth is that it is all unsubstantiated allegation unless and until these allegations are PROVEN beyond doubt.
As to Gonzales, I could not possibly care less about him or any other member of this administration.
If there is any fanaticism evident in this thread, it is not on my head. You guys must do nothing all day long but search for new things to post. THAT is what really is sad here.
Get a life.
Take your own advice, MIV, the next time you think about posting your unsubstantiated right wing garbage (complete with juvenile insults) about Nancy Pelosi aor other Democrats.
You seem to fancy yourself as some sort of intellectual. You're nothing but another right wing ideologue, a face in the dwindling crowd.
Your hypocrisy is off the scale...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Right on cue. You are shameless...
n0jaa
03-28-2007, 09:40 PM
Barbara Boxer is really a man.
ka5piu
03-28-2007, 11:00 PM
Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Mar. 28 2007,13:38)]The only reason we would want to enact it would be to create another cinder in the eye of the Islamic fundamentalists and others who still treat their women as property.
Hello.
Like that makes a lot of sense.
Let me see, A law that applies only to the US is somehow going to upset people in an Islamic country?
W3MIV
03-28-2007, 11:08 PM
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ Mar. 28 2007,16:37)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Mar. 28 2007,12:12)]Babs Boxer is the perfect spokesperson to assure the defeat. Again.
ERA -- It's baaaaa-aaaaaaacccccccckkkkk! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17822543/)
Of course, this is nothing but a renewed effort to support those few whacko liberal organizations that support the Liberal Left Thigh of the Demokrats.
Can some ridiculous measure in support of worse teachers from the NEA be far behind? Johnny is already so stupid he can't figure simple arithmetic without an electronic calculator (and the briefest foray into these threads clearly proves the worth of English grammar and spelling in this modern age of the Ueber NEA), but any appeal to reason or reality will be jettisoned on the altar of political pay-back.
Can't wait to hear the speeches from great paragons of women's rights like Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank. Or some of the grand pronouncements from giant intellects like Ms Boxer. Perhaps we shall hear from Liberal Lights of the magnitude of Grand Wizard Byrd (if he manages not to drool on his shirt front) and Legal Literati of the Edwards ilk.
Promises to be fun. Beware those unintended consequences. They often bite like hell.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Quote[/b] ]Quote (W3MIV @ Mar. 28 2007,07:54)
Quote (n9xr @ Mar. 28 2007,10:09)
I am sorry that MIV refuses to accept the truth.
The truth is that it is all unsubstantiated allegation unless and until these allegations are PROVEN beyond doubt.
As to Gonzales, I could not possibly care less about him or any other member of this administration.
If there is any fanaticism evident in this thread, it is not on my head. You guys must do nothing all day long but search for new things to post. THAT is what really is sad here.
Get a life.
Take your own advice, MIV, the next time you think about posting your unsubstantiated right wing garbage (complete with juvenile insults) about Nancy Pelosi aor other Democrats.
You seem to fancy yourself as some sort of intellectual. You're nothing but another right wing ideologue, a face in the dwindling crowd.
Your hypocrisy is off the scale...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Right on cue. You are shameless...
Nice post. Next time, try one that makes some sense.
n2ize
03-28-2007, 11:33 PM
I like this thread. A bunch of conservative MEN determine whether an equality amendment is in the best interests of women. Yet of course beyond personal feelings, bias, assumptions and smatterings of silly "liberal wacko's" commentary there is no reference to the rationale for WHY this amendment is deemed nessesary. The recent thread on "abortion" that appeared on this board a short time ago might provide some rationale as to why some women's rights advocates see a need for a renewed ERA effort...HINT HINT... Then there is the issue of pay, in many positions women are still paid considerably less than their male counterparts. There still exist many notable difference between men and women when it comes to issues of social security, pensions, etc.
Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Mar. 28 2007,15:08)]Quote[/b] (nx6d @ Mar. 28 2007,16:37)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Mar. 28 2007,12:12)]Babs Boxer is the perfect spokesperson to assure the defeat. Again.
ERA -- It's baaaaa-aaaaaaacccccccckkkkk! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17822543/)
Of course, this is nothing but a renewed effort to support those few whacko liberal organizations that support the Liberal Left Thigh of the Demokrats.
Can some ridiculous measure in support of worse teachers from the NEA be far behind? Johnny is already so stupid he can't figure simple arithmetic without an electronic calculator (and the briefest foray into these threads clearly proves the worth of English grammar and spelling in this modern age of the Ueber NEA), but any appeal to reason or reality will be jettisoned on the altar of political pay-back.
Can't wait to hear the speeches from great paragons of women's rights like Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank. Or some of the grand pronouncements from giant intellects like Ms Boxer. Perhaps we shall hear from Liberal Lights of the magnitude of Grand Wizard Byrd (if he manages not to drool on his shirt front) and Legal Literati of the Edwards ilk.
Promises to be fun. Beware those unintended consequences. They often bite like hell.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Quote[/b] ]Quote (W3MIV @ Mar. 28 2007,07:54)
Quote (n9xr @ Mar. 28 2007,10:09)
I am sorry that MIV refuses to accept the truth.
The truth is that it is all unsubstantiated allegation unless and until these allegations are PROVEN beyond doubt.
As to Gonzales, I could not possibly care less about him or any other member of this administration.
If there is any fanaticism evident in this thread, it is not on my head. You guys must do nothing all day long but search for new things to post. THAT is what really is sad here.
Get a life.
Take your own advice, MIV, the next time you think about posting your unsubstantiated right wing garbage (complete with juvenile insults) about Nancy Pelosi aor other Democrats.
You seem to fancy yourself as some sort of intellectual. You're nothing but another right wing ideologue, a face in the dwindling crowd.
Your hypocrisy is off the scale...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Right on cue. You are shameless...
Nice post. Next time, try one that makes some sense.
It makes complete sense, despite your feeble attempt to frame it otherwise.
Explain to me how you can rant about someone pointing out the flaws in YOUR sacred cows, using phrases like "get a life" and "you spend all day looking for this stuff", then you turn around and make a similiar post differing only in which political ox is being gored.
Spare me the "my posts have substance'' garbage. Most of your political posts come hot off the right wing talk show airwaves. Anyone who results to stupid insults of public firgures has absolutely no credibility.
Your faux George Will schtick got old a long time ago...
Arrogance without portfolio, station.
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ Mar. 28 2007,12:44)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Mar. 28 2007,15:08)]Quote[/b] (nx6d @ Mar. 28 2007,16:37)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Mar. 28 2007,12:12)]Babs Boxer is the perfect spokesperson to assure the defeat. Again.
ERA -- It's baaaaa-aaaaaaacccccccckkkkk! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17822543/)
Of course, this is nothing but a renewed effort to support those few whacko liberal organizations that support the Liberal Left Thigh of the Demokrats.
Can some ridiculous measure in support of worse teachers from the NEA be far behind? Johnny is already so stupid he can't figure simple arithmetic without an electronic calculator (and the briefest foray into these threads clearly proves the worth of English grammar and spelling in this modern age of the Ueber NEA), but any appeal to reason or reality will be jettisoned on the altar of political pay-back.
Can't wait to hear the speeches from great paragons of women's rights like Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank. Or some of the grand pronouncements from giant intellects like Ms Boxer. Perhaps we shall hear from Liberal Lights of the magnitude of Grand Wizard Byrd (if he manages not to drool on his shirt front) and Legal Literati of the Edwards ilk.
Promises to be fun. Beware those unintended consequences. They often bite like hell.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Quote[/b] ]Quote (W3MIV @ Mar. 28 2007,07:54)
Quote (n9xr @ Mar. 28 2007,10:09)
I am sorry that MIV refuses to accept the truth.
The truth is that it is all unsubstantiated allegation unless and until these allegations are PROVEN beyond doubt.
As to Gonzales, I could not possibly care less about him or any other member of this administration.
If there is any fanaticism evident in this thread, it is not on my head. You guys must do nothing all day long but search for new things to post. THAT is what really is sad here.
Get a life.
Take your own advice, MIV, the next time you think about posting your unsubstantiated right wing garbage (complete with juvenile insults) about Nancy Pelosi aor other Democrats.
You seem to fancy yourself as some sort of intellectual. You're nothing but another right wing ideologue, a face in the dwindling crowd.
Your hypocrisy is off the scale...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Right on cue. You are shameless...
Nice post. Next time, try one that makes some sense.
It makes complete sense, despite your feeble attempt to frame it otherwise.
Explain to me how you can rant about someone pointing out the flaws in YOUR sacred cows, using phrases like "get a life" and "you spend all day looking for this stuff", then you turn around and make a similiar post differing only in which political ox is being gored.
Spare me the "my posts have substance'' garbage. Most of your political posts come hot off the right wing talk show airwaves. #Anyone who results to stupid insults of public firgures has absolutely no credibility.
Your faux George Will schtick got old a long time ago...
Arrogance without portfolio, station.
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Dave,
Anyone who resorts to stupid insults of public figures has absolutely no credibility. (edited for proper syntax).
With that one statement, you have basically said most left leaning posters on this site (including yourself) have no credibilty with the continual bashing and insults of the Bush administration. Or are you saying your insults are intelligent?
Turn the mic around, station. #You're talking into the back.
K2WH
KW4MW
03-29-2007, 12:56 AM
Good 'Ol Dave SSDD http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Mar. 28 2007,16:46)]
Quote[/b] ]With that one statement, you have basically said most left leaning posters on this site (including yourself) have no credibilty with the continual bashing and insults of the Bush administration. Or are you saying your insults are intelligent?
You show me where I have done anything close to MIV's rantings. You won't be able too, because they aren't there. The closest I get is "right wing lunatic", but that's about it.
If you're trying to use the usual right wing tactic of "both sides do it too", you're off track, unless you consider "neo-con" a mortal insult, the garbage from the right wing of this board flows at a much higher rate. You yourself accuse anyone of being a "liberal" if they have the audacity to disagree with you. It's a knee-jerk response and is frequently wrong. I can think of two instances where you've called some pretty conservative people "liberals".
That's what happens when you listen to too much talk radio (yes, you do!) The slime starts oozing out of your pores...
Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA
Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ Mar. 28 2007,16:56)]Good 'Ol Dave # #SSDD # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Good old Mike.
Another useless comment...
WA5KRP
03-29-2007, 01:03 AM
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WA5KRP
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KW4MW
03-29-2007, 01:41 AM
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ Mar. 28 2007,21:03)]Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ Mar. 28 2007,16:56)]Good 'Ol Dave # #SSDD # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Good old Mike.
Another useless comment...
You're a Hoot Dave - thankfully one of a kind # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
KI4PEQ
03-29-2007, 03:53 AM
Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Mar. 28 2007,15:40)]Barbara Boxer is really a man.
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/IMAGES/ADVG/383.jpg
'She's a MAN, baby!"
"Well, if she is a woman, she does look like she's been beaten with an ugly stick!"
Oh yes, the Feminazis, who had no time for the Clinton abused women, are trying to make a come back. #The Hanoi Jane Fonda types that had a face lift, and wish they could have other parts lifted. #
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....pf.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/28/AR2007032802065_pf.html)
Quote[/b] ]Then there is the issue of pay, in many positions women are still paid considerably less than their male counterparts. There still exist many notable difference between men and women when it comes to issues of social security, pensions, etc.
From an economics perspective and in the spirit of maximizing shareholder wealth, then shouldn't women employees be preferred?
If you pay a male $X per year and a female doing the "same job" makes $0.85X...then that $0.15X drops right to the bottom line.
Fire all the men, make more profits!!!!
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Mar. 29 2007,13:32)]Oh yes, the Feminazis, who had no time for the Clinton abused women, are trying to make a come back. #The Hanoi Jane Fonda types that had a face lift, and wish they could have other parts lifted. #
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....pf.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/28/AR2007032802065_pf.html)
If that were the case, isn't the converse true for WIC programs?
k4kyv
03-29-2007, 07:59 PM
Quote[/b] (W4MAJ @ Mar. 28 2007,20:25)]Why is legislation like this necessary in the first place? I can not think of a single instance -- in the civilian sector -- where men and women are not already equal.
You may recall one recent US Supreme Court decision that ruled in a California case that when two consenting minors (male and female, both under the legal age of consent) are caught having a sexual relationship, it is legal for state law to automatically prosecute the male and not the female, as a sex offender.
n2ize
03-29-2007, 08:06 PM
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Mar. 29 2007,08:32)]Oh yes, the Feminazis, who had no time for the Clinton abused women, are trying to make a come back. #The Hanoi Jane Fonda types that had a face lift, and wish they could have other parts lifted. #
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....pf.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/28/AR2007032802065_pf.html)
You make the perfect case for why women in America need an ERA.
kc7mrq
03-29-2007, 08:21 PM
I heard a corporate head discussing this ERA and is wishing for its success. His rational is it will give him the lawful right and LOWER all wages to an equal level.
Makes me wonder if the successful implementation of ERA is just going to backfire.
n2ize
03-29-2007, 09:11 PM
Quote[/b] (kc7mrq @ Mar. 29 2007,13:21)]I heard a corporate head discussing this ERA and is wishing for its success. His rational is it will give him the lawful right and LOWER all wages to an equal level.
Makes me wonder if the successful implementation of ERA is just going to backfire.
Corporate heads generally think in terms of lowering costs. It depends on how it is implemented but I wouldn;t be surprised if some corporate tries to use it as an excuse to pay everyone less. Whether that excuse will fly remains to be seen.
n4sva
03-29-2007, 10:10 PM
Looks like the NOW people want a sexless society. What's next, all unisex public restrooms?
NOW wants to wear da pants. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/28/AR2007032802065_pf.html)
n2ize
03-29-2007, 10:21 PM
Quote[/b] (n4sva @ Mar. 29 2007,15:10)]Looks like the NOW people want a sexless society. What's next, all unisex public restrooms?
NOW wants to wear da pants. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/28/AR2007032802065_pf.html)
Unisex bathrooms may not be a bad idea but most of the people I know who would object to the idea are women. Beyond that so what if women want equal access to the program. Give them the access. It's no big deal. Instead change it to a "parenting" orientation and grant access to both.
The FemiNazis are really cranking it up since the LEFTIST and STALINISTS took over Congress.
http://newsbusters.org/node/11736
Sixties radicals, FemiNazis, and DEMS, perfect together.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/will/321797,CST-EDT-geo01.articleprint
KI6DCB
04-04-2007, 06:28 AM
Once upon a time there was an America in which people could engage in #political discourse without resorting to calling one another names. #Of course, this was a time when most of the citizens believed that The United States of America was a great and noble experiment which would ultimately be a beacon of good to the rest of the world. #There was no doubt among the various parties that America was, indeed, a good place -- by "good" I mean ethical and fair. #There were, of course, disagreements about how to #manage and govern the goodness that was America; but there was no doubt that America was the standard by which all others would judge themselves.
Sometime during my life (I am 54 years old.) this all changed. #The people competing for political office ceased to see themselves as public servants and began to regard those they would [should] serve as somehow of lower status than the elected class. #Today we can hear them speak of "...the American people..." as contrasted with FDR's "...we [have nothing to fear]..." #The critters in D.C. no longer talk or think of "we" because they believe themselves to be of a higher class than the rest of us.
This supercilious attitude has trickled down to us, the governed, causing us to resort immediately to ad hominem attacks against any and all who would dare to disagree with any statement we might make, no matter how outlandish or ill-informed. #There is too much of this acrimony on this board, but it is a good indicator of the lack of decency and courtesy that has invaded our once-great society. #I do fear that America, though once a great and marvelous thing, is doomed.
n2ize
04-04-2007, 07:46 AM
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Mar. 31 2007,13:40)]The FemiNazis are really cranking it up since the LEFTIST and STALINISTS took over Congress.
http://newsbusters.org/node/11736
Sixties radicals, FemiNazis, and DEMS, perfect together.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/will/321797,CST-EDT-geo01.articleprint
Quote[/b] ]
The FemiNazis are really cranking it up since the LEFTIST and STALINISTS took over Congress.
Quote[/b] ]
Sixties radicals, FemiNazis, and DEMS, perfect together.
Wow, somebody has a mixed up view of reality. Looks like an overdose of too many ultra right wing blogs, neocon propaganda, and altered logic.
Logic 101: Women are the equal of men, if the government protects them from the men.
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Quote[/b] (W4MAJ @ Mar. 28 2007,12:25)]Is the idea to integrate women onto male dominated sports teams like the NFL or NBA? Again, I'm confused.
I think all sports teams should have a balance of male and female players. Lay off half of the men immediately so they can go get real jobs, and put women in their place. I am frankly bored with most spectator sports anyway.