Something we can all agree on.

[KC0VWU]

Although I am usually against the death penalty, there are cases which scream for it and in my mind this is one of them.

Quote[/b] ]ST. PAUL, Minnesota (AP) -- A 17-year-old girl who spent weeks looking for her missing dog unwrapped a box left on her doorstep and found the pet's severed head inside, authorities said.

CNN link (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/15/dog.head.ap/index.html)

Now I know the bastard who did this didn't kill a human but anyone who is capable of this kind of cruelty needs to be exterminated.

[KE5FRF]

Wow.

I totally agree with you, OM. That is a sick puppy right there. But I find it a little strange that a dead dog would be the straw that rocked your world, angered you to the core, and changed your life's philosophy. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ Mar. 14 2007,17:01)]Wow.

I totally agree with you, OM. That is a sick puppy right there. But I find it a little strange that a dead dog would be the straw that rocked your world, angered you to the core, and changed your life's philosophy. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
It's not the dog, it is the fact that someone put its head in a box and gave it to the girl.

[WD8OQX]

Look at it THIS way... Just how much did this traumatize that girl? Then ask yourself what should be done...

[W5IEI]

Is this a trick?
I find it doubtful that you have anything but"I hate Bush"in your heart.

[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ Mar. 14 2007,17:05)]Is this a trick?
I find it doubtful that you have anything but"I hate Bush"in your heart.
No trick, I'm dead serious.

[ae4fa]

Quote[/b] ]Although I am usually against the death penalty
Interesting.

In my work I've hired quite a number of folks who had reservations about the death penalty, or were outright against it. But the same folks - to a person - supported it after just a couple of years exposure to the depraved inhumanity that is rife in our society.

There's nothing like getting up close and personal with the incident and the aftermath to change an abstract opinion.

[al2i]

If the dog bit one of my kids and was still allowed to run free, I could off it without remorse.

[K5FH]

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 15 2007,15:06)]Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ Mar. 14 2007,17:05)]Is this a trick?
I find it doubtful that you have anything but"I hate Bush"in your heart.
No trick, I'm dead serious.
Let's see...you're normally against the death penalty for someone like a serial killer or a rapist/murderer, but you would execute someone for decapitating a dog and using it to traumatize someone?

Figures.

[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Mar. 14 2007,17:19)]If the dog bit one of my kids and was still allowed to run free, I could off it without remorse.
Could you then cut off its head, gift wrap it, and give it to a 17 year old girl? Somehow I doubt it. And there is no evidence that this dog was out biting people anyway.

[tjtaylor]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Mar. 15 2007,09:19)]If the dog bit one of my kids and was still allowed to run free, I could off it without remorse.
that's different.

youre protecting your famiy.

this was just blatent hatefullness.

[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (K5FH @ Mar. 14 2007,17:21)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 15 2007,15:06)]Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ Mar. 14 2007,17:05)]Is this a trick?
I find it doubtful that you have anything but"I hate Bush"in your heart.
No trick, I'm dead serious.
Let's see...you're normally against the death penalty for someone like a serial killer or a rapist/murderer, but you would execute someone for decapitating a dog and using it to traumatize someone?

Figures.
I'm mostly against the death penalty because I have *0* faith in our so-called "justice" system. I think once you are accused of something you are likely to be convicted of it whether or not you are guilty. That is why I have a problem with it.

[K7JEM]

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 15 2007,15:24)]Quote[/b] (K5FH @ Mar. 14 2007,17:21)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 15 2007,15:06)]Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ Mar. 14 2007,17:05)]Is this a trick?
I find it doubtful that you have anything but"I hate Bush"in your heart.
No trick, I'm dead serious.
Let's see...you're normally against the death penalty for someone like a serial killer or a rapist/murderer, but you would execute someone for decapitating a dog and using it to traumatize someone?

Figures.
I'm mostly against the death penalty because I have *0* faith in our so-called "justice" system. I think once you are accused of something you are likely to be convicted of it whether or not you are guilty. That is why I have a problem with it.
But you would have this guy executed?

At most, the sentence might be a year or two with a fine. Realistically, some kind of plea deal with little or no jail time, maybe some restitution.

But you want him dead.

I don't get it.

Joe

[WF7A]

Interesting how you all think it was a male who did the dastardly deed...

[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Mar. 14 2007,17:28)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 15 2007,15:24)]Quote[/b] (K5FH @ Mar. 14 2007,17:21)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 15 2007,15:06)]Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ Mar. 14 2007,17:05)]Is this a trick?
I find it doubtful that you have anything but"I hate Bush"in your heart.
No trick, I'm dead serious.
Let's see...you're normally against the death penalty for someone like a serial killer or a rapist/murderer, but you would execute someone for decapitating a dog and using it to traumatize someone?

Figures.
I'm mostly against the death penalty because I have *0* faith in our so-called "justice" system. I think once you are accused of something you are likely to be convicted of it whether or not you are guilty. That is why I have a problem with it.
But you would have this guy executed?

At most, the sentence might be a year or two with a fine. Realistically, some kind of plea deal with little or no jail time, maybe some restitution.

But you want him dead.

I don't get it.

Joe
I can't explain it either it is just how I feel about it.

[n2ize]

I think it's disgraceful that hhe sent her the head. What is she going to do with the head ? Not much good eating. Whoever did it kept the good meat for himself. Pretty selfish.

[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (WF7A @ Mar. 14 2007,17:29)]Interesting how you all think it was a male who did the dastardly deed...
In my initial post I was going to use "he/she" but it seemed awkward and "he" is usually appropriate to use if you are just guessing.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 15 2007,14:21)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Mar. 14 2007,17:19)]If the dog bit one of my kids and was still allowed to run free, I could off it without remorse.
Could you then cut off its head, gift wrap it, and give it to a 17 year old girl? Somehow I doubt it. And there is no evidence that this dog was out biting people anyway.
I would not leave the severed head in a Valentine box under any circumstance I can think of.

The candy was a real scary touch.

I wonder who hated her and what she did to create the hate?

[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Mar. 14 2007,17:31)]I think it's disgraceful that hhe sent her the head. What is she going to do with the head ? Not much good eating. Whoever did it kept the good meat for himself. Pretty selfish.
I never figured that you of all people would joke about something like this. It really isn't funny. Imagine how that girl felt when she opened the box.

[K5FH]

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 15 2007,15:24)]I'm mostly against the death penalty because I have *0* faith in our so-called "justice" system. #I think once you are accused of something you are likely to be convicted of it whether or not you are guilty. #That is why I have a problem with it.
The so-called "justice" system sometimes gets it right, too. #Unless your name is O.J. Simpson, that is.

But you sound like you have more faith in vigilante justice. #What kind of attitude is that for a knee-jerk Bush-hating liberal to have?#http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

There's a lot of truth to the old joke that a conservative is a liberal who got mugged last week.

Lock up the perpetrator of this sick crime for most of his miserable life, yes, but string him up? #That's a little much, isn't it?

[k4kyv]

When there was an arsonist running loose in our community a few years ago, I asked a friend of mine who is a detective with the local sheriff's department what would happen if I came home one evening, and caught the arsonist red-handed after he had just finished emptying a can of gasoline onto the side of my house and had a lit cigarette lighter in position ready to torch it, and I shot him because that would have been the only way I could have possibly saved my house from destruction.

His reply was that I would probably be arrested and charged with murder or attempted murder, since in the eye of the law, the destruction of "property" does not justify the taking of a human life.

He said the only way I could get away with it would be to convince the jury that I had a reason to believe there was someone inside the house whose life would have been in danger. In that case, it would be self-defence.

I don't think a dog would be worth any more than my house.

I suspect there are more than a few 17 years-olds out there who would open that box, and when they saw what was inside, exclaim, "Cool!"

[kl7aj]

Rope's too nice. Cut his head off slowly with a dull chainsaw...and send it to his kids.

Eric

[al2i]

I have never been attracted to the lynch mob mentality, but then I watched a lot of Gunsmoke episodes in the 60's.

[kd7msc]

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 15 2007,07:32)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Mar. 14 2007,17:31)]I think it's disgraceful that hhe sent her the head. What is she going to do with the head ? Not much good eating. Whoever did it kept the good meat for himself. Pretty selfish.
I never figured that you of all people would joke about something like this. It really isn't funny. Imagine how that girl felt when she opened the box.
I dont get you at all. You think this is sick but you dont care that people are losing there heads in Iraq. WTF! You want this person hanged for this. What if this person commited rape or murder. Would you want them hanged as well. You want us to imagine how she felt when she opened the box. Why dont you imagine how she would feel if she was raped or if she saw her Dads head cut off on TV. Yes this was sick and twisted, but there is much worse.

I think it was a girl that did this deed. The victim probably slept with the other girls boyfriend.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (kd7msc @ Mar. 15 2007,14:43)]I think it was a girl that did this deed. The victim probably slept with the other girls boyfriend.
Maybe the dog talked?

Quote[/b] ]"I felt empty," Crystal told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis. "I couldn't talk to anyone. He was my dog. It was just me and him. ... I told him everything and he never shared any of my secrets."

[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (K5FH @ Mar. 14 2007,17:34)]Lock up the perpetrator of this sick crime for most of his miserable life, yes, but string him up? That's a little much, isn't it?
What else do you do with a guy who thinks it is a good idea to cut the head off a kid's dog and give it to her as a gift? Prison? Can someone like that be rehabilitated? Does a person like that even have a soul? Or a heart? Is the person's mind hopelessly diseased or is he just plain rotten?

And normally I would defend someone who is mentally ill because if you aren't thinking right then that is a factor in how you behave. But this... I don't know... this seems so evil.

[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (kd7msc @ Mar. 14 2007,17:43)]You think this is sick but you dont care that people are losing there heads in Iraq.
I would ask you to please put up a link to the post where I said I don't care about people getting killed in Iraq except that it doesn't exist because I've never said that. Not once. Ever. Get your facts straight.

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]What else do you do with a guy who thinks it is a good idea to cut the head off a kid's dog and give it to her as a gift? Prison? Can someone like that be rehabilitated? Does a person like that even have a soul? Or a heart? Is the person's mind hopelessly diseased or is he just plain rotten?
Can someone who's killed, hacked and slashed his or her way to infamy be rehabilitated also? Too many people think so.

You will notice that the killer of Jessica Lundsford got the death penalty, yet there are states in this country who steadfastly refuse to enact "Jessica's Law".

[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Mar. 14 2007,17:55)]Quote[/b] ]What else do you do with a guy who thinks it is a good idea to cut the head off a kid's dog and give it to her as a gift? Prison? Can someone like that be rehabilitated? Does a person like that even have a soul? Or a heart? Is the person's mind hopelessly diseased or is he just plain rotten?
Can someone who's killed, hacked and slashed his or her way to infamy be rehabilitated also? Too many people think so.

You will notice that the killer of Jessica Lundsford got the death penalty, yet there are states in this country who steadfastly refuse to enact "Jessica's Law".
I think that guy has it coming too. Too bad he'll probably die of natural causes before his date with the needle.

[N4AUD]

I worked a case once where a guy stole his ex's pet bird, a cockatoo I think it was, and decapitated it and left the head on her porch. Scared the you-know-what out of her, not just because he cut it's head off but because he'd gotten into her house.

I met the guy and I have no doubt he would have cut her head off if he'd gotten the chance. Don't know about the person terrorizing the girl, but it's not a good sign.

Sometimes people start with fantasies, move on to animals and end up with humans.

[W5IEI]

See what happens when you wander off from your usual "I Hate Bush"pap?
Let this be a lesson to you son,Stay with what you know,nothing.

[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ Mar. 14 2007,18:48)]See what happens when you wander off from your usual "I Hate Bush"pap?
Let this be a lesson to you son,Stay with what you know,nothing.
If you are trying to be funny or sarcastic you have failed miserably, just like your glorious leader.

[K8MHZ]

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 15 2007,11:53)]Quote[/b] (W5IEI @ Mar. 14 2007,18:48)]See what happens when you wander off from your usual "I Hate Bush"pap?
Let this be a lesson to you son,Stay with what you know,nothing.
If you are trying to be funny or sarcastic you have failed miserably, just like your glorious leader.
Touche!

[wv6z]

Can you feel the love here guys? I can, I can feel it, can you? Golly gee this is cozy.

[kg4kww]

I would like to see the scum bag that killed this dog get the chair.

[KC0VWU]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Mar. 14 2007,23:56)]I would like to see the scum bag that killed this dog get the chair.
Because he killed the dog or because of what he did with the head? I think what he did to the girl is worse but that is just me.

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (ku4my @ Mar. 15 2007,20:53)]Can you feel the love here guys? I can, I can feel it, can you? Golly gee this is cozy.
Kumbaya my lord....

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Quote[/b] ]Because he killed the dog or because of what he did with the head? I think what he did to the girl is worse but that is just me.

Yes because he gave the girl a little head.

[WF7A]

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ Mar. 15 2007,14:06)]Yes because he gave the girl a little head.
Don't go there, guys—that's Moderator bait!

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (WF7A @ Mar. 15 2007,21:24)]Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ Mar. 15 2007,14:06)]Yes because he gave the girl a little head. ^doggy
Don't go there, guys—that's Moderator bait!
Nahhhhh!

[ka5piu]

Hello.

I am noted for my sarcastic remarks but even I have limits.
Most people who kill and torture children start with animals.
Do I think that this person should be executed? no.
What I do feel is that anyone who can do something like this, and to a small child, needs to be watched, this is well above the level of prank.
Depending on how the animal died, there could be animal crualty charges.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 14 2007,16:32)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Mar. 14 2007,17:31)]I think it's disgraceful that hhe sent her the head. What is she going to do with the head ? Not much good eating. Whoever did it kept the good meat for himself. Pretty selfish.
I never figured that you of all people would joke about something like this. It really isn't funny. Imagine how that girl felt when she opened the box.
And I can't believe that anyone would suggest that a human being be killed over such an incident.

It's amazing to me that the city is involving the homicide squad because of the "terroristic" qualities. That word is being used to justify excessive police action at every turn. This is a minor crime that involves two, or three acts.

1) killing a dog

2) malicious #harassment

3) theft, or vandalism

It does not involve murder. It is patently absurd to me that we can claim that any animal killing is a crime when the meat industry raises animals in abusive environments with the express intent of killing them for profit.

It's just a dog. Moreover, it's not clear whether the person who delivered the animal killed the dog. It is possible that the dog was hit by a car and someone who knew her found it and thought it would be funny/mean to deliver the head.

The only punishment that #a criminal court should levy on the perpetrator is community service and #counseling. Whoever did it obviously has anger issues, but until you can show that there's anything more than juvenile revenge at work, you can't claim any greater crime.

[KC0VWU]

You libs are all alike.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 15 2007,15:32)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Mar. 14 2007,17:31)]I think it's disgraceful that hhe sent her the head. What is she going to do with the head ? Not much good eating. Whoever did it kept the good meat for himself. Pretty selfish.
I never figured that you of all people would joke about something like this. It really isn't funny. Imagine how that girl felt when she opened the box.
To me an animal is food. When I see an animal I see meat on my dinner plate. It doesn;t matter if it's steer, deer, lamb, sheep, dog, cat, bat, rat, fish, foul, etc. I see an animal and I get an appetite. I apologize for my insensitivity. I judge all critters by their food value.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Mar. 15 2007,15:55)]
It depends. Serial killers, roaming killers, i.e those who kill for no apparent reason other than to satisfy some bizzare psychological urge, are indeed sick. This does not mean that they should get off easy or at all.
I say lock em up for life. Here in New York Son of Sam (David Berkowitz) is locked up for life. He will never be released. Winston Mosely, the man who ruthlessly murdered Kitty Genovese (and at least one or two other women) back in 1964 is in jail for life despite his cries for parole. He will remain in jail for the rest of his life.

The reason I don't like the death penalty is because there is too great a chance of killing an innocent person. I say keep em locked up for life.

Too expensive ?? Nope. Costs more just to execute a person. Of course we can cut prison costs substantially by changing the stupid drug laws and stop locking people away for petty noviolent drug crimes like marijuana possession or having a few of bags of dope. Instead of locking up people for stupid non violent drug crimes lets go after the real predators, the ones who stalk, murder, kill. They are the ones who belong in jail. Not some guy smoking a joint in his own home or some guy out copping a fix.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ Mar. 15 2007,16:40)]When there was an arsonist running loose in our community a few years ago, I asked a friend of mine who is a detective with the local sheriff's department what would happen if I came home one evening, and caught the arsonist red-handed after he had just finished emptying a can of gasoline onto the side of my house and had a lit cigarette lighter in position ready to torch it, and I shot him because that would have been the only way I could have possibly saved my house from destruction.
In Colorado, you're allowed to use deadly force to stop arson. This is the ONLY property crime where deadly force is allowed.

73, Rob

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 15 2007,18:45)]Quote[/b] (K5FH @ Mar. 14 2007,17:34)]Lock up the perpetrator of this sick crime for most of his miserable life, yes, but string him up? That's a little much, isn't it?
What else do you do with a guy who thinks it is a good idea to cut the head off a kid's dog and give it to her as a gift? Prison? Can someone like that be rehabilitated? Does a person like that even have a soul? Or a heart? Is the person's mind hopelessly diseased or is he just plain rotten?

And normally I would defend someone who is mentally ill because if you aren't thinking right then that is a factor in how you behave. But this... I don't know... this seems so evil.
That's because it is. It is a well known fact that people who kill animals are more likely to kill people later on. Stopping this person now is a very good idea.

While I understand your sentiments and basically agree, I doubt if society would allow the death penalty in this case.

[N5NPO]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Mar. 16 2007,03:01)]
It depends. Serial killers, roaming killers, i.e those who kill for no apparent reason other than to satisfy some bizzare psychological urge, are indeed sick. This does not mean that they should get off easy or at all.
I say lock em up for life. Here in New York Son of Sam (David Berkowitz) is locked up for life. He will never be #released. #Winston Mosely, the man who ruthlessly murdered Kitty Genovese (and at least one or two other women) back in 1964 is in jail for life despite his cries for parole. He will remain in jail for the rest of his life.

The reason I don't like the death penalty is because there is too great a chance of killing an innocent person. I say keep em locked up for life.

Too expensive ?? Nope. Costs more just to execute a person. Of course we can cut prison costs substantially by changing the stupid drug laws and stop locking people away for petty noviolent drug crimes like marijuana possession or having a few of bags of dope. #Instead of locking up people for stupid non violent drug crimes lets go after the real predators, the ones who stalk, murder, kill. They are the ones who belong in jail. Not some guy smoking a joint in his own home or some guy out copping a fix.
Hey 'IZE, for the most part I agree with you on this post.
I however wonder how you feel about the death penalty if the murderer is caught on unaltered tape commiting the crime and with credibal eye witnesses?
I think some people cannot be re-habilitated and society should be protected from them.
Especially people like the guy in Florida who kidnapped and raped the 9 yr old girl. I do not care if he didn't have a puppy or a bicycle when he was a child or is "retatrded", why pay for him to be locked up or worry about him excaping and doing it again to another little girl. I for one am not willing to risk another child to that creep!
thanks

[K9QJ]

It's a good thing she didn't own a horse. She might have gotten a visit from Luca Brazzi !!

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Mar. 16 2007,06:19)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 15 2007,18:45)]Quote[/b] (K5FH @ Mar. 14 2007,17:34)]Lock up the perpetrator of this sick crime for most of his miserable life, yes, but string him up? That's a little much, isn't it?
What else do you do with a guy who thinks it is a good idea to cut the head off a kid's dog and give it to her as a gift? Prison? Can someone like that be rehabilitated? Does a person like that even have a soul? Or a heart? Is the person's mind hopelessly diseased or is he just plain rotten?

And normally I would defend someone who is mentally ill because if you aren't thinking right then that is a factor in how you behave. But this... I don't know... this seems so evil.
That's because it is. It is a well known fact that people who kill animals are more likely to kill people later on. Stopping this person now is a very good idea.

While I understand your sentiments and basically agree, I doubt if society would allow the death penalty in this case.
Exactly.

Been proven time and again that anybody who abuses an animal can, and more than likely will in their lifetime, abuse humans.

A lot of people have the misguided opinion that the penal system is first and foremost about "rehabilitation". It's not, it's about punishment. It's about separating the criminal from society. Some criminals do finally "get it", do rehabilitate and rejoin society. Going by the recidivism rate most don't.

If you think being forced by society to live in an 8x10 cell with 3 squares a day, free medical care, cable TV, etc... for the rest of one miserable life, is acceptable punishment for someone who's a serial rapist or serial murderer, that has proven by their actions the total disdain they have for the rest of us, you are part of the problem.

[kk7ue]

Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 16 2007,00:08)]You libs are all alike.
Yes, you are. Im glad you have reckoned that in your mind. Now, time to move on to more hate bush tirades that you are so well known for.

BTW, that was a horrible thing to do to a doggie.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Mar. 16 2007,04:33)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Mar. 16 2007,03:01)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Mar. 15 2007,15:55)]
It depends. Serial killers, roaming killers, i.e those who kill for no apparent reason other than to satisfy some bizzare psychological urge, are indeed sick. This does not mean that they should get off easy or at all.
I say lock em up for life. Here in New York Son of Sam (David Berkowitz) is locked up for life. He will never be #released. #Winston Mosely, the man who ruthlessly murdered Kitty Genovese (and at least one or two other women) back in 1964 is in jail for life despite his cries for parole. He will remain in jail for the rest of his life.

The reason I don't like the death penalty is because there is too great a chance of killing an innocent person. I say keep em locked up for life.

Too expensive ?? Nope. Costs more just to execute a person. Of course we can cut prison costs substantially by changing the stupid drug laws and stop locking people away for petty noviolent drug crimes like marijuana possession or having a few of bags of dope. #Instead of locking up people for stupid non violent drug crimes lets go after the real predators, the ones who stalk, murder, kill. They are the ones who belong in jail. Not some guy smoking a joint in his own home or some guy out copping a fix.
Hey 'IZE, for the most part I agree with you on this post.
I however wonder how you feel about the death penalty if the murderer is caught on unaltered tape commiting the crime and with credibal eye witnesses?
I think some people cannot be re-habilitated and society should be protected from them.
Especially people like the guy in Florida who kidnapped and raped the 9 yr old girl. I do not care if he didn't have a puppy or a bicycle when he was a child or is "retatrded", why pay for him to be locked up or worry about him excaping and doing it again to another little girl. I for one am not willing to risk another child to that creep!
thanks
Lock em up for life. The vast majority don't get caught on film. For the rare one that does I don't think we need to make a special exception. Lock em up for life. Put em right in with David Berkowitz, Charles Manson, Joel Rifkin and the rest of their ilk who decided at some point that killing was the thing to do. Lock em up and throw away the key. #If a day ever comes where we do find they didn't really do it we can always make a new key and let em out. #Otherwise they stay in.

Far as the cost goes I already addressed that. I belive if you check the stats you'll find executions cost more than imprisonment. And again, we can offset that by stopping the the stupid lockups for petty drug offenses. As far as these guys escaping and going out to do it again, I think that is unlikely. It's ain't easy to bust out of a tight max security prison. Manson, Mosely, Berkowitz, and countless others have been in for a long time and they ain't figured a way to bust out yet.

[WF7A]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Mar. 15 2007,19:01)]...He will remain in jail for the rest of his life.

Too expensive ?? Nope...
I could never figure that out: why is it more expensive to house prisoners for life than executing them?

I'll tell you what's really sad: people who treat their pets better than other people. One example: my brother once dated a woman who loved her two dogs more than anything and spoiled them rotten. After a time, the relationship was getting serious and there was talk between she and he of living together. My brother, like me, hates dogs, so he brought up that fact and said that if they were to live together the dogs would have to go; she said no, then dumped him.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Mar. 15 2007,08:47)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Mar. 16 2007,06:19)]Quote[/b] (KC0VWU @ Mar. 15 2007,18:45)]Quote[/b] (K5FH @ Mar. 14 2007,17:34)]Lock up the perpetrator of this sick crime for most of his miserable life, yes, but string him up? #That's a little much, isn't it?
What else do you do with a guy who thinks it is a good idea to cut the head off a kid's dog and give it to her as a gift? Prison? Can someone like that be rehabilitated? Does a person like that even have a soul? Or a heart? #Is the person's mind hopelessly diseased or is he just plain rotten?

And normally I would defend someone who is mentally ill because if you aren't thinking right then that is a factor in how you behave. #But this... I don't know... this seems so evil.
That's because it is. #It is a well known fact that people who kill animals are more likely to kill people later on. #Stopping this person now is a very good idea.

While I understand your sentiments and basically agree, I doubt if society would allow the death penalty in this case.
Exactly.

Been proven time and again that anybody who abuses an animal can, and more than likely will in their lifetime, abuse humans.
So what?

Let's suppose the bs you just pulled out of your butt is true. So what? Since when is predisposition to kill people a crime?


You charge people with crimes they have committed.

You charge people with crimes they provably intend to commit when that intent is itself a crime.

You DO NOT charge people with crimes they MIGHT commit.



My undergraduate university required people to take a class in U.S. government. I thought the requirement was absurd as that is high school material. Given the quality of understanding displayed in this thread, however, perhaps it isn't such a bad idea after all.