Qrz banning?

[Kg4LMU]

Why bother calling this forum talk and opinions when the moderators ban certain members for stating there opinion. Regardless what the opinion is or who it involves,isnt this the right of the member to flame someone or some subject that bother's one personal perspective. Why do certain hams feel there some sort of political correctness that must be shown at all times? Why does this bother certain moderators of this site weather the statement's by certain banned members be true or false its there personal opinion! The anti american infleunce of this group and other's like it have really made people (hams) take a double take at the ham community in general! I just dont understand why you would profile certain people and discrimanate against them because they feel a certain way towards a certain subject or person! Its almost unbeleivable that this is happening on one of the biggest and best site's for hams to get information yet people are leaving for the basic fact that FREEDOM OF SPEECH is being infringed on a web site of all places. Give me a break its this thin skinned pholosofy thats causing the SOME of the problems within our community and for a new ham to watch its pathetic. I think the owners of this site should take a closer look at its discrimanating moderators more so than the the people they have been banning! Just one hams 2 cents and opinion. Will I be banned for such subject matter guess will see?

[K6UEY]

When you combine The Cyber World and the World of CB
the resultant is obvious,totally irrevalent to Ham Radio.... # # # # #73, # #ORV

[N7CPC]

Because some "talk and opinions" stink. #Some decorum need be maintained in polite society. #I've seen no one banned from QRZ for language etc that is acceptable on the bands. #That in itself should tell you something.

Don't like rules here? #Hope to not be subjected to you on the air.

73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Ok, I tried to finish reading the origonal post.......

THIS time I will let someone else explane freedom of speach does not include an audience! Nope, not me, not this time. I ain't gonna ask this boob where he sees anti American anything here.

Think I'll just go take my pills now and see whats going on on seventy five meters................ http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W5ATX]

KG4LMU:

I like to read the opinions of other folks. #When they're WAY off base, it gives me something to chuckle about. #I'm also an amateur sociologist. #I get to see what makes folks tick. #But that's neither here nor there on qrz.com. #The bottom line is qrz.com is not subject to the first amendment. #qrz.com is privately owned. #That's right, one man owns it. #He pays for the web space, he pays for the bandwidth, he is paying cash from his own pocket for you to make your posts and to read mine. #That means he can decide what he wants posted. #And if he doesn't like what someone has posted, or he doesn't like someone visiting his site, he has the right to give 'em the boot. #

Imagine if someone started putting billboards on your house, saying things you don't like. #Does the first amendment mean you can't take action? #Of course not. #It's YOUR house. #The first amendment applies to the government. #The government cannot tell you what you can and cannot say, with several public safety related exceptions. #

And now I'm going to say something I've never said on here in all the posts I've made. #Today it just hit me though. #I am NOT the spelling checker here. #But you know, all these posts with awful spelling and worse grammar would be a whole lot more effective and credible if they were a little better.

I have spent my entire adult life raising my children, and the one thing I try to make them understand is first impressions make a whole lot of difference. #Be it in school, at work, on a job application, or here on qrz.com, those whose work is the neatest, best looking, and looks like the most care was put into it, are going to be the winners. #Too many times in my job I've seen poorly written reports, most notably poor spelling, result in unfavourable action against the writer - because the higher-ups didn't care what the report said once the report was seen to be poorly done. # Is it right? #I don't think so, but again, it's all about credibility.

[WB2RJR]

“Regardless what the opinion is or who it involves,isnt this the right of the member to flame someone or some subject that bother's one personal perspective.” KG4LMU

In a word, No.

"Congress shall make no law...." Now do you see something in there about me? In my house, on my property I decide what proper conduct is and if you do not agree you will be removed. What would be unamerican is to tell me I can't do this. There is no law stating that I must suffer fools. The gov't may be required to do so but the rest of us are not.

N7CPC has it right....“Because some "talk and opinions" stink. Some decorum need be maintained in polite society. I've seen no one banned from QRZ for language etc that is acceptable on the bands. That in itself should tell you something.” N7CPC

This site is privately owned, where exactly do you get the right to tell the owner what to do? Please give the exact law giving you this right, or is it that you just have some commie idea that this site belongs to the masses.

“yet people are leaving for the basic fact that FREEDOM OF SPEECH is being infringed on a web site of all places.” KG4LMU

LMU, please don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

73, Marty K7RKR

[n0xas]

Where's the problem with wanting to maintain a polite society when voicing or listening to someone's opinions? #You should be able to make your opinions known without causing undue disruption. #Certain guidelines for posting here were established by the owner of the site and the moderators. #If you don't abide by those rules, you're kicked off. #Actually, you get warned first -- several times. #

It's not that difficult to figure out. #The First Amendment simply says you can't be thrown in jail for voicing or printing your opinions, it doesn't guarantee that everyone on the planet will listen to them, no matter how you express them. #

73,
Dale

[N7CPC]

Marty, Marty, Marty...........Was that a door I heard http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Couldn't have said it better myself.

73 de Craig........N7CPC http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[AC7UX]

Number one. Learn to spell. # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # Number two. what is the name of your friend that got banned?Number three. your panties are in a bunch. un-bunch them. # #Number four. nobody cares about your opinion. Learn it, live it. The guy that owns this site, sets the rules. My web site has a forum and I have chose not to ban people. It`s crazy and people need to wear asbestos, but that is MY choice? I ride hog`s and talk on the radio. i go from one extreme to another, hell raising with my bro`s and shooting the breeze with some guy in europe or north africa on the radio. If you want to see what can happen with no banning, then go to my site, look up my call here on QRZ then go to my homepage listed.( i know, shameless plug.) Fred set the rules here. It`s like being invited into his house. If you don`t use coasters for your drinks,you pee on the rim of the toilet and kick his dog He`ll give you the boot. same here. by the way, that chip on your shoulder isn`t getting you any dates. Lose it! by the way Orv good to see ya posting. I`ll try to get ahold of you this weekend on 383Ø,( lots of lighting here at night with the monsoons so the tower don`t get cranked up, I got ahold of Art, but He said you wasn`t on the radio yet.) talk to ya then OM.

[KB9YFI]

This is the "talk and opinions" forum. You can talk all you want and throw out all kinds of crazy opinions. Look at my posts. I admit I am a radical rabble-rouser. I have not been banned.

If you want to make personal attacks at other members and use profanity and cursing and threats then you have stepped outside the realm of "talk and opinion" and into a brawl or at the very least _Jerry Springer_.

Look at those who get banned. Read their posts. You will see a pattern. Converse in a grown-up manner and debate a subject without getting personal, childish or threatening and you will have no trouble. It's really very simple. Looking at the number of people who do get banned it seems that they are the ones who are simple and just not able to understand how to act like adults.

Jim

[K9STH]

For LMU:

As one of the moderators of QRZ.com, I can say that the views of those who have been answering you pretty much "hit the nail on the head". I definitely do not personally agree with a lot of what is posted on this particular forum. However, so long as the posts stay away from personal attacks, profanity, and similar, I have no problems with what is posted.

If people behave in rational, adult manners, then Fred Lloyd (owner of QRZ.com) will not "ban" a user. However, if someone "goes off the deep end", and ignores several warnings from me (or other QRZ.com moderators), then he/she is a candidate for banning. But, as long as people behave themselves, they do not have any fear of being banned.

Glen, K9STH
one of the QRZ.com moderators

[AB6ND]

It's called Good Taste.
AB6ND

[ka1kjz]

Lemme guess. those of you that dont like the policies here are the same ones who sit on some repeater all night complaining how poorly run it is.

If you dont like it, put up your own website. A real one, hosted by you, with a server you own, with software you paid good money for. Not some collection of spam and virus filled "free" services you find all over the web.

Remember, you are a guest in this "house". If I was a guest in YOUR house, and started swearing at your wife and kids... I'd imagine I'd be shown the business end of your boot and get real familiar with the sidewalk out front.

[WB2GOF]

Or go post on Wally's Wailing, Whining Wall or other such low-life site (Sorry Wally).

[Kg4LMU]

[B]Wow! Did this subject ruffle some feathers its good to see that some of you are paying attention know that I have got your attention. The whole point is this why bother with dealing with the sort of people you have pointed out. Why not just restrict posting to members and have all members be ham certified? Why do you fall prey to the antics of a certain community or person's and there complacent veiws of some of the topics that were being discussed in the forums. The lack of self control within the moderators and others to lower themselves to these OTHER type of people just gets them the satisfaction there looking for. And as for way off base this is a subject that cannot be ingored as we hams have a responsabilty to no only new and up coming hams but to also the community at large the lack of proffesionalism shown by some is a discredit to all of us. So to the point why bother dealing with outside influences if you can ban them from the site the point is you should have never gave them access in the first place so whos mistake is it?

[KB9YFI]

The real reason is $$$$$. That's not a bad thing. It is a fact of life. This site with all the goodies costs money to run. The site has a good server that is now reasonably fast for the bandwidth it is using and good software for this forum. It also has a lot of memory space filled with all sorts of valuable information. In order to keep such a site up in a free-market economy (read: not government supported) then the owner needs to bring in at least as much revenue as it is costing him with advertising or the site will soon be gone. This is not a Socialist country and Socialism just doesn't work in the Internet. Unless he is independently wealthy and a really generous guy he needs some income to offset his expenses and time (=money) or he would be a fool. In order to attract advertisers the site owner must show that he has a sufficient number of hits to the site and repeat regulars (the kind who buy ham gear and electronic do-dads) to get the kind of money and long-term advertisers that makes it worth it to run a site.

Getting hit counts up and keeping them up takes a very talented kind of balancing skill that might not be apparent on the surface. If he lets things get out of control then all of the regulars will leave. Even if the hit count stays high it may degenerate into the kind of site that is anathema to what he was trying to accomplish in the first place. If he doesn't let enough people into the discussions and restricts the free flow too much then things will get boring, stale and numbers will eventually, if not almost immediately, drop off.

One way to raise money for a website, where only hams are welcome and membership is limited, is to CHARGE for membership. Such schemes are not always successful (usually not and even when they are the price keeps going up and up and up) and many end up in failure after some time. I, for one, would not spend money on something like that and would move to the inevitable free alternative site as would many others. A fee site would be a mistake. What we have here at QRZ is a proven time-tested policy that has made the site into a long-term survivor on the Internet. Why would the owner change things now with success in his back pocket? He won't change things until there is a problem. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." If, as an individual, you don't like it here then leave. If enough people leave then QRZ might fold. I don't think that is going to happen as long as the owners keep on with the policy they have now. Time will be the test- it has been so far . It's the owners decision to run the site the way he wants. I just happen to believe he is doing it correctly and so do enough people that the site is still here after all these years.

Jim - KB9YFI

[W5ATX]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kg4LMU @ Aug. 03 2002,13:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[B]Why not just restrict posting to members and have all members be ham certified?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
is ham certified by the USDA? #Wait, I'm certified by . . . . hmmmmmmm come to think of it, I'm NOT certified. #Not even utility grade. #Geez, what do I do now? #

Oh the shame the shame, I shall hang my head . . . .

[KB1GYQ]

Ham is not kosher, call it &quot;Amateur Radio&quot;... least we offend people. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KC9CFB]

Oh, you're certified all right, ATX...

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif CeRtIfIaBlY iNsAnE!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

I just had to throw that in... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Calling me or my WAILING WALL names is your problem. I have no problem nor does the WALL.

[W5ATX]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KC9CFB @ Aug. 03 2002,21:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh, you're certified all right, ATX...

:p CeRtIfIaBlY iNsAnE!! #:p

I just had to throw that in... #;)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Thank you Andrea, I'm glad SOMEONE has figured it out. #Folks, she's 13 and has my number already! #Amazing, huh? #So you see, I DO have an excuse. #And here I thought it was just that I was uncertified ham. #Would that be foreign, domestic, or virginia cured? #Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[KB9YFI]

Is there a difference between insane and senile? #Perhaps they look the same from behind a computer monitor. #Time keeps on ticking and doing its damage on the community. #I bet ham radio will be a lot different when Andrea is an adult and unrecognizable when she reaches middle-age. #There are exciting times ahead for those of us who will still be around 40 years from now. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Jim - KB9YFI

[W0BKR]

Talk and opinions are one thing.

Elitests, name callers, non conformists to the rules (Part 97) are another.
When you mix internet anonymous posts (those without calls), with the usual nut cases that think the world evolves around them and add in the individuals that think &quot;this is how it's done, and it shouldn't be any other way&quot;, you get alot of tripe on here that no one wants to read. You need a sanity filter.

I prefer a reasonable discussion without the jibes, jabs, pokes, etc., that to me, reflects an impotent male amateur. If one needs to feel good about themselves by posting stupid remarks and condemnations against others, or someone's post, that, I can read on a bathroom wall.

I don't want to read it here. QRZ.com is a cut well above that. For those individuals that can't stand an honest statement, post, fact, etc., why not join the bunch(es) that hang out on 75 and 20 that always have their calls posted in the FCC enforcement logs. At least you will get the attention you deserve. Hi.

If one has to editorialize someone's post to feel like a man, I choose to ignore that stupidity, like the clown that flips off everyone on the highway. Then again, look who it comes from. Hi. I appreciate kindergarten stupidity being &quot;filtered&quot; off QRZ.Com.

Thanks moderators!

[KB9YFI]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (W0BKR @ Aug. 08 2002,07<!--emo&amp;http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Talk and opinions are one thing. #

Elitests, name callers, non conformists to the rules (Part 97) are another.
When you mix internet anonymous posts (those without calls), with the usual nut cases that think the world evolves around them and add in the individuals that think &quot;this is how it's done, and it shouldn't be any other way&quot;, you get alot of tripe on here that no one wants to read. #You need a sanity filter.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I guess you don't fall in that group by telling everyone else what is OK and NOT-OK to post. #That doesn't make you an elitist. #No... #

You claim to want someone else to do the filtering for you. #I prefer to do my own filtering. #The best filter in the world is the human brain. #I can make my own decisions on what is right and what is tripe. #I am not intellectually lazy enough to expect someone else to do that for me. #Others may have another opinion. #That's why we call it &quot;Talk and Opinions&quot; #NOT &quot;The Official ARRL Party Propaganda Page.&quot; #

If you don't like this then why even come into this forum? #I just don't understand why people think this way but I do see plenty of examples of the mindset everyday. #I feel sorry for such people but respect their right to their opinion even though I feel that it is pathetic and sad. #Apparently some amateurs lack the fortitude to reciprocate this right and demand that their opinions should be aired while all others need to be suppressed. #This is truly a marginalizing philosophy and needs to be kept in check in a Free Society while at the same time allowing people to think that way because it is their right. #

This is the reason for this forum. Talk and opinions. #It may be #your opinion to censor and silence some opinions but actually capitalizing on that idea would be wrong. #We all need the opportunity to speak our minds and express our opinions even if they run counter to yours. #That's called Freedom. #So far the moderators here have respected it as long as people are not abusive. #If you can't live with that then perhaps you should find another place to spend your time online.

Jim - KB9YFI

[K2WH]

This is off the subject, but I have to say it. The spelling and grammar on many of these posts is terrible. Seems that the winers and complainers are the worst of the lot.

Please, go back to school or learn to read.

K2WH

[KB9YFI]

Actually, #upon re-reading the posts in this thread, the spelling and grammar is remarkably good for a change. #As for whiners and complainers it sounds like K2WH is doing a fair share of it in only 4 sentences. #At least for a whiner and complainer his is brief and succinct. #But perhaps he should have said, &quot;go back to school and learn to WRITE&quot; instead of, &quot;go back to school or learn to read.&quot; #Maybe he should take his own advice.

Jim - KB9YFI

[W0BKR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K2WH @ Aug. 08 2002,07:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is off the subject, but I have to say it. #The spelling and grammar on many of these posts is terrible. #Seems that the winers and complainers are the worst of the lot.

Please, go back to school or learn to read.

K2WH[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Speaking of spelling. #Hi.

Reminds me, I need to go guy some cheese!

Snce this isn't my site, I don't mandate or dictate what anyone should post. However, I realize there are individuals that love to bash, flame, etc., and I don't feel this is the place for it. #It doesn't give me a rise. #Sorry! If you feel so inclined to do so, have at it. You won't see my finger pop up.


I am glad that QRZ has moderators that keep things even keel. #There needs to be a &quot;sanity&quot; check by someone out there. ##Perhaps they could spell check for those concerned about missssspelllled words now and then. #Hi.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[WB2GOF]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K2WH @ Aug. 08 2002,10:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Seems that the winers and complainers are the worst of the lot.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
And learn to spell. &quot;Whiners.&quot; Those who live in glass houses.....dress in basement!

[KB1GYQ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WB2GOF @ Aug. 08 2002,11:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K2WH @ Aug. 08 2002,10:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Seems that the winers and complainers are the worst of the lot.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
And learn to spell. #&quot;Whiners.&quot; #Those who live in glass houses.....dress in basement![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
http://www.spellingsociety.org/pubs/leaflets/whyeng.shtml

Go have some real fun with it....


( http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/spell/ has links to many more attempts to fix the problem. )

[WB2GOF]

Okay. Let's awl spel foneticalee. Dumbing down the Inglish langwaj. Lets pas a law to infors it. Over-legislayt owr Yunited States. I'm awl faw it!

[KB9YFI]

The most dangerous and evil phrase in the English language:

&quot;There ought to be a law.....&quot;


Jim - KB9YFI

[KB1GYQ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WB2GOF @ Aug. 08 2002,13:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Okay. #Let's awl spel foneticalee. #Dumbing down the Inglish langwaj. #Lets pas a law to infors it. #Over-legislayt owr Yunited States. #I'm awl faw it![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hey, the push to simplify English spelling has been going since circa 1908! It's nothing new, and has nothing to do with &quot;dumbing down&quot;. There were even books printed in some of these schemes in the early to mid 1900's!

[WA6CAW]

A &quot;winer&quot; is a person who drinks some, maybe each day.

Or maybe a lot each day.........

That is how you can tell if they can spell........had too much to drink, therfore they are a &quot;winer&quot;.

[KB1GYQ]

Ahha!

When you drink too much, you will pass out, and since one cannot sin while unconscience, being soused all the time will assure ones place in heaven. I think I will start a new religion!

[WA6CAW]

Too late,

There are a bunch of followers down town , sitting in the alley, I saw them yesterday!

[WB2GOF]

What about &quot;Potter's Field&quot;? Is that somewhere people go to smoke them funny little cigarettes?

[N7CPC]

GOF's Bogarting again!

[KC9CEW]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB1GYQ @ Aug. 08 2002,11:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ahha!

When you drink too much, you will pass out, and since one cannot sin while unconscience, being soused all the time will assure ones place in heaven. #I think I will start a new religion![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Hey it worked for L.ron Hubbard,and what's wrong with a cocktail every now and then.

[AC7UX]

few love to hear the sin they love to act.....SHAKESPEARE......

[KB9YFI]

&quot;I'll drink to that!&quot; Darren from &quot;Bewitched&quot;

[KB1GYQ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KB9YFI @ Aug. 10 2002,10:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">&quot;I'll drink to that!&quot; #Darren from &quot;Bewitched&quot;[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I hope uncle Arthur doesn't show up unannounced.