Contests

[k7wxo]

Hi All,

This is my first post here. I can usually hit Google and find what I'm looking for but can't seem to find this.

I'm listening to the contesting going on now, but I can't seem to find what the extra part after the signal report is. I saw another post here that mentioned it was a power level, which makes sense other than this one: "59 oh". If "59 k" and "59 1k" are running a kilowatt, what is the oh?

I did also read through the ARRL documents for contests and couldn't find it there.

Thanks in advance!

Bryan, K7WXO/AG

edit: sorry, this should have been in Q&A, had 2 tabs open in Firefox, clicked the wrong one and posted without looking :\

[KD7UFF]

Here is a good web site to let you know #R-S-T System (http://www.radiowavz.com/html/r-s-t_system.htm)
Hope that helps you.
73,Dan/KD7UFF

[k7wxo]

Thanks for replying. That site is helpful, however it doesn't discuss the extra information that I've heard after the RST.. I understand the RST, but I dont get the "1k" "k" "oh" being said afterwards.

Thanks and 73!

Bryan, K7WXO/AG

[kn4ds]

As I understand it, that's an indication of the power level.

[ne3r]

That is part of the contest exchange for the ARRL DX Contest. DX stations give call, Signal Report, & Power level. K 1K Kilowatt, hear some 100's 200's & 500's in there too.

73
Joe
N3PAQ

[k7wxo]

Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ Mar. 02 2007,21:02)]As I understand it, that's an indication of the power level.
Thanks Dave, that helps confirm it. Would you happen to know what "oh" means?

Thanks!

Bryan, K7WXO/AG

[KE5FRF]

Also, remember that on phone, it isn't actually an RST report. RST reports are only given on CW, where TONE is of relevance. The only info that is given on phone is readability and signal strength.

[kd7msc]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ Mar. 02 2007,13:14)]Also, remember that on phone, it isn't actually an RST report. RST reports are only given on CW, where TONE is of relevance. The only info that is given on phone is readability and signal strength.
And it seems like everyone is 5/9. Your 5 x 9 Call again. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[kn4ds]

Quote[/b] (k7wxo @ Mar. 02 2007,23:14)]Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ Mar. 02 2007,21:02)]As I understand it, that's an indication of the power level.
Thanks Dave, that helps confirm it. Would you happen to know what "oh" means?

Thanks!

Bryan, K7WXO/AG
Sorry, I don't know what "oh" means, but I wonder if you might've missed part of it... <shrug>

[n5na]

US/VE stations give signal report and state. "oh" is Ohio.

DX stations give signal report and power.

US/VE only work DX. DX only works US/VE. No US/VE to US/VE contacts.

[kn4ds]

Quote[/b] (n5na @ Mar. 02 2007,23:24)]US/VE stations give signal report and state. "oh" is Ohio.

DX stations give signal report and power.

US/VE only work DX. DX only works US/VE. No US/VE to US/VE contacts.
Thank you... I've learned more tonight!

[k7wxo]

Quote[/b] (n5na @ Mar. 02 2007,21:24)]US/VE stations give signal report and state. "oh" is Ohio.

DX stations give signal report and power.

US/VE only work DX. DX only works US/VE. No US/VE to US/VE contacts.
n5na:

Thank you! I thought I heard a couple answering that way, and didn't hear any other states, so it was throwing me off. Thank you for educating me http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Thank you everyone as well for the help.

73,

Bryan, K7WXO/AG

P.S. if anyone happens to know where this information is online (arrl rules, etc) I would love to know.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[wg7x]

Bryan:

http://www.arrl.org/contests/rules/2007/intldx.html

Hope that helped!

73 Gary WG7X

[k7wxo]

Quote[/b] (wg7x @ Mar. 03 2007,00:34)]Bryan:

http://www.arrl.org/contests/rules/2007/intldx.html

Hope that helped!

73 Gary WG7X
Well for crying out loud... I can't believe I missed that. I guess I just wasn't paying enough attention (I've got the flu, is that good enough reason?). Thank you Gary for pointing that out to me http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

73,

Bryan, K7WXO/AG (and slightly embarassed!)

[cu2jt]

Quote[/b] (N3PAQ @ Mar. 02 2007,21:13)]That is part of the contest exchange for the ARRL DX Contest. DX stations give call, Signal Report, & Power level. K 1K Kilowatt, hear some 100's 200's & 500's in there too.

73
Joe
N3PAQ
Many of the "K" stations are lying. They are most likely running more than a KW.

[M0MJH]

Yeah, but I think they might get in trouble if they say "XXxXX you are 5 9 3KW" LOL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KC7UP]

I worked a few "100" stations that out done the kw stations.
Curt

[k7mh]

Quote[/b] ]Many of the "K" stations are lying. They are most likely running more than a KW.

Us K, W, etc. guys do not give a power level in the contest this weekend. We give the state we are in. Only the DX gives power level.

You can SAY you are running anything you want (i.e. the 3 kw comment) in all reality, but it will only cause confusion in the exchange and if the exchange is too goofy I just wouldn't log you. It also might be an issue with the category you enter in and you could get DQ'd just for not keeping within good operating practices. It is somewhat the same with giving REAL signal reports which no one cares about getting anyway. It also simplifies logging. This was especially true before computer logging came about, at least it was for me.

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (kd7msc @ Mar. 03 2007,04:16)][quote=KE5FRF,Mar. 02 2007,13:14]...everyone is 5/9. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
You're 5-9 in Ohio. Your QTH again?

...Still didn't get it. Ur QTH?

...Sorry. try one more time.

...OK QSL. Got it that time. You're 5-9 Ohio. Oh-high-oh. Five nine in Ohio.

... QSL. 73. QRZ contest?...

[KN7T]

I would definitely be in favor of scrapping the useless "59" exchange for something a bit more meaningful. I'm partial to S/Ns - at least you have to actually copy that.

[ka0gkt]

The SWLs often use SINPO
Signal Level
Interference
Noise
Propigation
Overall merit

Really great for a writen QSL request, however, for on-the-air report the old RST system, as subjective and ill-used as it is, probably is best for CW QSOs

Perhaps for Phone contacts we should dispense with the signal level and just give a Quality report as in "You're Q-5 here in Tucson, Old Man".

As for giving signal to noise ratios, most Amateurs don't have the equipment to provide that kind of report. If by S/Ns you mean S-numbers, all meters aren't created equal. I remember a particular KWM-2 which had a very Scotch S-meter.

The IARU Region 1 agreed on a standard for S Meter calibration for HF and VHF/UHF transceivers in 1981. They defined S9 to be equivalent to an input level of 50 microvolts for the HF bands at the receiver's antenna input, typically at 50 ohms impedance and 5 microvolts for the VHF/UHF bands. According to the guideline, each S-unit corresponds to a difference of 6 decibels (dB), equivalent to a voltage ratio of two, or power ratio of four. Thus, a signal strength of S8 corresponds to approximately 25 microvolts on HF. Signals stronger than S9 are given with an additional dB rating, thus "S9 + 20dB".

S meters ma be calibrated in absolute terms, but in practice can only provide a relative measure of signal strength based on the receiver's AGC voltage. Furthermore, the correlation between an Amateur's qualitative impression of signal strength and the actual strength of the received signal is often poor, because the receiver's AGC holds the audio output fairly constant despite changes in input signal strength; so, 20 over 9 on your new Kenwood isn't necessarily going to be 20 over 9 on your neighbor's Icom or on my old Collins.

73 DE KAØGKT/7

--Steve