New CB and Amateur rules?

[ka5piu]

Hello.

As everybody is fully aware, there is this battle with CB vs Amateur radio, and it has been going on since the start of 11 meters, or so it would seem.
Now, the question is, what about a transition, from CB to Amateur radio.
This would be from license free to Tech and above, fully channelized.
This would be the second band that is channelized, after 60 meters.
The advantage to the FCC would be support from the Amateur community.
The Amateur community would get a chance to work with now users of radio.
Perhaps a 50 watt limit, general and above get full legal limit, but on a secondary basis.
This would be something like the FRS/GMRS thing.
In England it is this way.
Primary is the Ministry of Defense.
MoD allows 11 meters to 100 watts, all modes, to select members of the Air Cadets and members of the military
The US has an equal rule under the NTIA for the Civil Air Patrol with 26.62 MHz being almost worldwide.
27.375 MHz was quite popular prior to the expansion of CB from 23 channels to the current 40 Channels.
The current FCC rules now allow the CAP to use any frequency in the Citizens Band in a shared basis.
So, why not allow this para-military activity to extend to the Amateur community?
And, what is called freeband is in fact government frequencies.

[K1VSK]

Have you ever listened to the American 11m band? The very LAST thing we need to do, especially now, is to facilitate their entry into our ranks. How much easier can it be to obtain an American ham license than it is now?

[ka5piu]

Quote[/b] (K1VSK @ Mar. 02 2007,17:57)]Have you ever listened to the American 11m band? The very LAST thing we need to do, especially now, is to facilitate their entry into our ranks. How much easier can it be to obtain an American ham license than it is now?
Hello.

I was thinking more on the lines of Amateurs on 11 meters.
And, getting an anateur license, like anything, is easy if one puts his mind to it.

[wd0ct]

You must be bored out of your mind.

[N4AUD]

All I can say is

NO

[W5HTW]

Well, I agree. The new amateur radio is an excellent begining point for those wishing to advance to CB.


Go for it!

Ed

[K1VSK]

Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ Mar. 02 2007,18:02)]Quote[/b] (K1VSK @ Mar. 02 2007,17:57)]Have you ever listened to the American 11m band? The very LAST thing we need to do, especially now, is to facilitate their entry into our ranks. How much easier can it be to obtain an American ham license than it is now?
Hello.

I was thinking more on the lines of Amateurs on 11 meters.
And, getting an anateur license, like anything, is easy if one puts his mind to it.
anyone can go on 11M NOW (not that most would). What's new here?

[ka5piu]

Hello.

I think that some OF is out there reading this and now needs to clean the screen, keyboard, and seat!
You do not need a troll-0-meter but a spew-0-meter! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ai4ep]

Ya know, if I really, really wanted to take a giant step backwards, I would get myself a CB rig, and listen and talk to those folks.

It would be decent ( FUN ) entertainment, listening to all the lies and mis-truths spoken on a dialy basis about such topics as

swr
bad & good rigs
echo mike adjustments
amplifiers
"swing"

just to name a few

those folks sure spend a lot of money just to talk just a few ( 10 - 50 ) miles locally.

I mean, look how far amateurs can talk ( under lousy conditions ) on 75 meters compared to the same wattage on cb channels, and for a lot less money...plus friendlier folks at both ends of the communication system, cause we all know that a lot of cb operators wont / cant talk to any one that is not " in the red " on their signal meter...yet over half of the folks I talk to dont even measure a "5" on the s-meter.

I just cant see myself taking a giant step backward to try messing with CB again...30+ years was about 29 too many.

c b = constantly buying
cb = consistently broke
cb = cry babies

[ky5u]

Told you that AR would turn into CB II after the code change. Starting here on QRZ with all the CB posts...

[K4KWH]

Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ Mar. 02 2007,17:43)]The US has an equal rule under the NTIA for the Civil Air Patrol with 26.62 MHz being almost worldwide.
27.375 MHz was quite popular prior to the expansion of CB from 23 channels to the current 40 Channels.
The current FCC rules now allow the CAP to use any frequency in the Citizens Band in a shared basis.
So, why not allow this para-military activity to extend to the Amateur community?
And, what is called freeband is in fact government frequencies.
CAP is NOT under FCC. #And it doesn't USE CB frequencies and is basically told not to. There is no need as there are frequencies thru out the HF bands that mirror Amateur and MARS. It doesn't use FRS or MURS, either as it is assigned similar equipment for local incident use and these are on military frequencies.

But FCC doesn't "allow" CAP to do anything as it operates under USAF Frequency Management and NTIA. ANY equipment it uses must pass strict NTIA guidelines and, where Amateur equipment used to suffice, few ham rigs will meet these standards. #And CB frequencies aren't IN their radios, and if *I* were a commander in an Communications support operation, I would forbid it. I shudder to think of the ramications of having hobby communications going on during a Homeland Security mission. Ergo, hobby and professional communications are not compatible, particularly in life or death situations. #Best kept separate.

And, finally, CAP communications is NOT a "hobby" service, nor is it a function unto itself. It is a support function that serves at the behest of commanders attempting to prosecute USAF missions. One example is,
CAP serves as targets for USAF fighter pilots to train over sensitive areas and allows the pilots to achieve proficiency in intercepting "bogies" that stray into restricted airspace or those who might want to do harm to our country. And, of course, a number of other volunteer Missions for America.


So, in a nutshell. #NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

73

[KM5FL]

To paraphrase all those who posted before me:
Not just NO!!!, but H-E-picket fences NO!!!!!!!!!!


KM5FL

[ka3trx]

I tried CB once but gave it up. #Couldn't follow proper radio procedure. #Was never able to say "negatory" without cracking up. #"Swing" is ok, especially Benny Goodman.

[ka5piu]

Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ Mar. 02 2007,21:46)]Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ Mar. 02 2007,17:43)]The US has an equal rule under the NTIA for the Civil Air Patrol with 26.62 MHz being almost worldwide.
27.375 MHz was quite popular prior to the expansion of CB from 23 channels to the current 40 Channels.
The current FCC rules now allow the CAP to use any frequency in the Citizens Band in a shared basis.
So, why not allow this para-military activity to extend to the Amateur community?
And, what is called freeband is in fact government frequencies.
CAP is NOT under FCC. #And it doesn't USE CB frequencies and is basically told not to. There is no need as there are frequencies thru out the HF bands that mirror Amateur and MARS. It doesn't use FRS or MURS, either as it is assigned similar equipment for local incident use and these are on military frequencies.

But FCC doesn't "allow" CAP to do anything as it operates under USAF Frequency Management and NTIA. ANY equipment it uses must pass strict NTIA guidelines and, where Amateur equipment used to suffice, few ham rigs will meet these standards. #And CB frequencies aren't IN their radios, and if *I* were a commander in an Communications support operation, I would forbid it. I shudder to think of the ramications of having hobby communications going on during a Homeland Security mission. Ergo, hobby and professional communications are not compatible, particularly in life or death situations. #Best kept separate.

And, finally, CAP communications is NOT a "hobby" service, nor is it a function unto itself. It is a support function that serves at the behest of commanders attempting to prosecute USAF missions. One example is,
CAP serves as targets for USAF fighter pilots to train over sensitive areas and allows the pilots to achieve proficiency in intercepting "bogies" that stray into restricted airspace or those who might want to do harm to our country. And, of course, a number of other volunteer Missions for America.


So, in a nutshell. #NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

73
Hello.

This was written as a joke.
The first line is " the US has an equal rule under NTIA"
What I am referring to is the first section of the communications act of 1934.
And, I think of CAP as a service, nothing new there.
I think of a T-41 as a flying target.
Not something to shoot at, but a political target.
The other part, I ment GMRS, as in GMRS, not the intersquad radios.
CAP has always had requirements for crystal control, no VFO.
The new rules have a lot of nice equipment becoming surplus, including the Motorola Syncom and Syncom II.
And, for the record, a Syncom II is a glorified spectra.
But, getting back to CB radio, This was intended to poke fun at every radio service I am involved in.
Including CB radio.
And I still think that the EFJohnson P25 radios are overexcited CB radios. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w5ljm]

Nope!

[w5ljm]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[KD6NIG]

Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Mar. 02 2007,19:59)]http://members.cox.net/richardray/Trollmeter.jpg

This is another thread that busts the meter!
Dang, now you gotta wear goggles on the zed, or you'll get glass and mercury in your eyes!

[N5FOG]

Of the choices of no, no and no I think I will pick uhhhh NO

BAD IDEA


FOG

[va7aax]

Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Mar. 02 2007,19:26)]Well, I agree. #The new amateur radio is an excellent begining point for those wishing to advance to CB.


Go for it!

Ed
why in the world would a ham want to ''advance'' to cb? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w5ljm]

Would be more like being demoted.

[K4KWH]

We've spent 50 years as hams being "demoted" (or diluted). What's different now?:rock: #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

73, 74, 75---whatever!

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Mar. 03 2007,09:35)]Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Mar. 02 2007,19:59)]http://members.cox.net/richardray/Trollmeter.jpg

This is another thread that busts the meter!
Dang, now you gotta wear goggles on the zed, or you'll get glass and mercury in your eyes!
Or alcohol!

(red=alcohol, silver=mercury).

[kg6top]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Mar. 02 2007,20:13)]Ya know, if I really, really wanted to take a giant step backwards, I would get myself a CB rig, and listen and talk to those folks.

It would be decent ( FUN ) entertainment, listening to all the lies and mis-truths spoken on a dialy basis about #such topics as

swr
bad & good rigs
echo mike adjustments
amplifiers
"swing"

just to name a few

those folks sure spend a lot of money just to talk just a few #( 10 - 50 ) miles locally.

I mean, look how far amateurs can talk ( under lousy conditions ) on 75 meters compared to the same wattage on cb channels, and for a lot less money...plus friendlier folks at both ends of the communication system, cause we all know that a lot of cb operators wont / cant talk to any one that is not #" in the red " on their signal meter...yet over half of the folks I talk to dont even measure a "5" on the s-meter.

I just cant see myself taking a giant step backward to try messing with CB again...30+ years was about 29 too many.

c b = constantly buying
cb = consistently broke
cb = cry babies
Hey everyone,
You all should hear the insane stories I hear about people and their CBs. I drive a truck for a living and I thought I heard them all until the other day... I was talking to another driver at a truck stop resturant and he was telling me how about 15 years ago you could shut down a Schnieder truck by keying a CB. He said that you needed to key the mic on a combination of different freqs. How silly is that? I dont really call them lies, they're more like CB fish stories. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

You forgot one... CB = Childrens Band!!!

[ka5piu]

Quote[/b] (kg6top @ Mar. 03 2007,11:47)]Hey everyone,
# You all should hear the insane stories I hear about people and their CBs. I drive a truck for a living and I thought I heard them all until the other day... I was talking to another driver at a truck stop resturant and he was telling me how about 15 years ago you could shut down a Schnieder truck by keying a CB. He said that you needed to key the mic on a combination of different freqs. How silly is that? I dont really call them lies, they're more like CB fish stories. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Hello.

Ages ago, one of the larger carriers had this remote driver idle control.
This was on 27.145 MHz
In order to shut down the truck, and it had to be on idle, one simply had to transmit on this channel for a few seconds.
If, for some reason, the truck was placed in operation, the truck would go out of the range of this unit and than shut down.
The current system works in much the same way but is more satellite based.
The one thing I did like about the old system was that if a message came across the qualcomm the combo' key and pager would beep.
So, one could be in the truckstop doing whatever and know a dispatch was sent.
This was called HiJax.

[K1VSK]

I give up. I'll send you a quarter so you can call someone who cares.

[W5IEI]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ Mar. 03 2007,08:22)]Of the choices of no, no and no I think I will pick uhhhh NO

BAD IDEA


FOG
Why was it okay with you in the past,but not now?

[NN4RH]

Maybe there should be a ham calling channel on CB. How about Channel 37?

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (NN4RH @ Mar. 03 2007,15:18)]Maybe there should be a ham calling channel on CB. How about Channel 37?
Nah, any channel will work. Just yell "Here, Piggie, here, Piggie."

[w5ljm]

CQ Sooooooieee

[ka5piu]

Hello.

You people have it all wrong!
What you do is yell FREE COFFEE AND DONUTS!!!
Than stand back and watch the herd stampede in!

[ky5u]

Hogwash!

[ai4ep]

Well, it has been a full week of N C G and N C E on the hf bands, and the amatuer bands havent went to ( insert word here ) , or gone to the CB style operators.

There is room for all of us and a few dozen more on the HF frequencies.....welcome to the new comers, and all the old farts, too.

Aint that what you got the radio for, to have fun ?? !!

[kb2vxa]

KISS with few words.

"You must be bored out of your mind."

Using a Black & Decker to clean ear wax will do it.

[W0JBC]

I have mentioned PIU's threads before ....

He has worked over the globe yet, still comes up with a trolling thread ...

If I remember correctly, he was a novice for over 15 years ... Now is a General ... Heck , if you are not retarded, everyone can be a General these days....

Read some of his earlier posts .. say 2 years ago ...

Same old stuff .... Indeed a troller ...

Do yourself , and him , a favor ...

Ignore ....

I told everyone a Loooong time ago that this guy is a CB'er.....

Also a SUPER TROLLER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now you will believe me ! What a CHUMP .....


JB