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I though it migh be helpful to address why QRZ's Techs are so grumpy lately? You won your battle for codeless HF access! For the most part it seems you're being welcomed on the air.
It should be no suprise that nobody here has given you INSTANT RESPECT. People who were not in favor of the change are trying to give you the benefit of the doubt on the air, but did you expect people to all of a sudden think the change was the right thing to do? After occupying the minds of many for years, did you expect that the subject would drop?
Why are you still trying to convince people the change was right even after you won?
ai4ep
03-01-2007, 05:54 PM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Yep, the FCC " gave " them every thing they could hope / dream / wish / desire in relation to HF privileges on amateur radio.....so why are they still so grumpy ?
Maybe one of them know and will tell the whole internet world...??
kc7jty
03-01-2007, 06:02 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,10:50)]Why are you still trying to convince people the change was right even after you won?
Why are they still trying to convince people the change was wrong even after they lost?
I'm getting the shakes in anticipation of upgrade day next week. It's so out of my norm of taking it easy and drinking beer it's driving me nuts. Sorry if I'm crazier than I usually am.
KI4NGN
03-01-2007, 06:07 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,10:50)]I though it migh be helpful to address why QRZ's Techs are so grumpy lately? #You won your battle for codeless HF access! #For the most part it seems you're being welcomed on the air. #
It should be no suprise that nobody here has given you INSTANT RESPECT. People who were not in favor of the change are trying to give you the benefit of the doubt on the air, but did you expect people to all of a sudden think the change was the right thing to do? #After occupying the minds of many for years, did you expect that the subject would drop?
Why are you still trying to convince people the change was right even after you won?
Jeez Charlie! You've got me laughing my butt off!
At every opporunity, in almost every thread that I have seen you post in, you insult the techs with words and pictures, and then start a thread asking why they are grumpy???
!!!!
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Mike, Raleigh, NC
K7JEM
03-01-2007, 06:23 PM
Charlie doesn't recognize that.
Most people can only see flaws in others, they can't see flaws in themselves.
The techs are no worse or grumpy than any other subset of hams. If you want people to be grumpy, then they will seem grumpy.
I still see a large subset of posters here who do not realize that they lost, and are still fighting for code!
It's just human nature.
Joe
w8znx
03-01-2007, 06:24 PM
all the years of crying its not fair
no code people
get what they wanted
now some, not all
can't stop crying
some are not crying
worked a fb NCT op on hf the other night
guess where
80 cw
his straight key fist
was flying along at all of 6 wpm
i was his 6th hf cw contact
there is some hope
but it won't be comming from
new age no code op
that
will not quit complaining
turn off the dam computer
get the blank on the air
Mac
K7JBQ
03-01-2007, 06:29 PM
"There is no God, and Mary is his mother."
Ezra Pound
73,
Bill
Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Mar. 01 2007,11:23)]Charlie doesn't recognize that.
Most people can only see flaws in others, they can't see flaws in themselves.
I still see a large subset of posters here who do not realize that they lost, and are still fighting for code!
When I say "you won" why would I not be realizing that we lost? And again with the deflection of the issue...I say there is something amis with Techs, you talk about my "flaws". LOLOL!
What a load, Jose.
K7JBQ
03-01-2007, 06:43 PM
Gentlemen,
This thread is about to be locked down unless the tone of discourse changes dramatically.
73,
Bill, K7JBQ
One of the QRZ.com moderators
Before It gets locked down.
Maybe the instant upgrade resulted in grumpiness. After all we OFs got grumpy since we upgraded. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
kn4ds
03-01-2007, 06:47 PM
Quote[/b] (ac3p @ Mar. 01 2007,13:45)]Before It gets locked down.
Maybe the instant upgrade resulted in grumpiness. After all we OFs got grumpy since we upgraded. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Interesting hypothesis... I think you're on to something! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Charlie and Joe, give it a rest, will you.
Can we talk about ham radio for once instead of the license?
Even if some people think about it as a battle, even (laughably yet sadly) equating it to the civil rights movement, and even if you "won" or "lost" why can't we just put this one to bed?
And here is my take.
Yes, you won. No, I didn't lose. I still have my license, my equipment, skills and experience.
I don't think anyone is "fighting for code" anymore, at least not officially.
I do think there are some attention whores who realize that they're just another ham instead of the focus point.
And I really wish that the ARRL would stop giving the no-coders so much attention. It's counter productive.
You won. Get on the air and enjoy the hobby. But most importantly, get over it.
N5LRZ
03-01-2007, 06:53 PM
Charlie has a very valid point though if you read his intent.
IF the new no coders are going to want instanteous respect from the old timers who have been there for years and earned their status as legends the no coders are going to have to face a few hard facts of life.
Those old grumps/legendaries are not going to change their minds until the new crop has proven in their minds that the new people have earned their respect. And without certain skills (you know what I mean) comparisons are likely to continue to be made and its unlikely that respect will happen.
On the good news side, I guess its good news/well at least for the young blood group, those old cogers are not going to live forever despite what they say/claim and then YOU will move up and become the "Official Old Grouches".
N5LRZ
R Arceneaux
Pending OOG in the wings
Wait a minute. The thread says Technicians.
Those would be the ones who haven't upgraded yet.
I would be grumpy too after waiting all these years for HF to find out all I get are 200 kcs of voice on 10 meters and CW privledges on 80 40 15 and 10 meters.
They should sue NCI for breach of contract. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
ai4ep
03-01-2007, 07:01 PM
QUESTION --- why " lock this thread down " ?
All Charlie will do is start another one....!!
...and if it gets locked down, he will start another one...and another one...
Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ Mar. 01 2007,11:53)]Charlie has a very valid point though if you read his intent.
IF the new no coders are going to want instanteous respect from the old timers who have been there for years and earned their status as legends the no coders are going to have to face a few hard facts of life.
Those old grumps/legendaries are not going to change their minds until the new crop has proven in their minds that the new people have earned their respect. And without certain skills (you know what I mean) comparisons are likely to continue to be made and its unlikely that respect will happen.
On the good news side, I guess its good news/well at least for the young blood group, those old cogers are not going to live forever despite what they say/claim and then YOU will move up and become the "Official Old Grouches".
N5LRZ
R Arceneaux
Pending OOG in the wings
Pretty much hit the nail on the head...
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,05:50)]I though it migh be helpful to address why QRZ's Techs are so grumpy lately? #You won your battle for codeless HF access! #For the most part it seems you're being welcomed on the air. #
Maybe they would get more respect if they stopped calling themselves NO CODE Technicians and use the name the FCC gave them... Technicians!
Scott NĜIU
W0BKR
03-01-2007, 07:09 PM
Man, this does get old...
I wasn't for the change.
The FCC probably didn't read my comments or probably many others' either.
This issue was decided long before comments were filed.
Nothing I can do to change it.
Have to live with it, if there is any good in it regardless.
Nothing one can do except just continue operating and hope for the best in the long run...
If individuals continually whine and flame others that achieved it, then that attitude will undoubtedly show up on the HF. Don't need that and hope that won't happen.
But this sure does get old......
ab8ma
03-01-2007, 07:11 PM
Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Mar. 01 2007,18:02)]I'm getting the shakes in anticipation of upgrade day next week. It's so out of my norm of taking it easy and drinking beer it's driving me nuts. Sorry if I'm crazier than I usually am.
Good luck and best wishes. Afterwards you can relax. Maybe we can meet on the air and have a couple of cold ones.
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,14:01)]Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ Mar. 01 2007,11:53)]Charlie has a very valid point though if you read his intent.
IF the new no coders are going to want instanteous respect from the old timers who have been there for years and earned their status as legends the no coders are going to have to face a few hard facts of life.
Those old grumps/legendaries are not going to change their minds until the new crop has proven in their minds that the new people have earned their respect. And without certain skills (you know what I mean) comparisons are likely to continue to be made and its unlikely that respect will happen.
On the good news side, I guess its good news/well at least for the young blood group, those old cogers are not going to live forever despite what they say/claim and then YOU will move up and become the "Official Old Grouches".
N5LRZ
R Arceneaux
Pending OOG in the wings
Pretty much hit the nail on the head...
Charlie,
I agree with you for the most part.
-HOWEVER-
Continuing to start threads like this is counter productive.
I agree that absolute newcomers who demand respect without proving themselves are crybabies.
Respect is earned not given.
We are beating a dead horse.
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,13:41)]Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Mar. 01 2007,11:23)]Charlie doesn't recognize that.
Most people can only see flaws in others, they can't see flaws in themselves.
I still see a large subset of posters here who do not realize that they lost, and are still fighting for code!
When I say "you won" why would I not be realizing that we lost? And again with the deflection of the issue...I say there is something amis with Techs, you talk about my "flaws". LOLOL!
What a load, Jose.
What did we lose?
Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Mar. 01 2007,13:02)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,10:50)]Why are you still trying to convince people the change was right even after you won?
Why are they still trying to convince people the change was wrong even after they lost?
I'm getting the shakes in anticipation of upgrade day next week. It's so out of my norm of taking it easy and drinking beer it's driving me nuts. Sorry if I'm crazier than I usually am.
Good luck, and hope to work you on air.
KI4NGN
03-01-2007, 07:16 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,12:01)]Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ Mar. 01 2007,11:53)]Charlie has a very valid point though if you read his intent.
IF the new no coders are going to want instanteous respect from the old timers who have been there for years and earned their status as legends the no coders are going to have to face a few hard facts of life. #
Those old grumps/legendaries #are not going to change their minds until the new crop has proven in their minds that the new people have earned their respect. # And without certain skills (you know what I mean) comparisons are likely to continue to be made and its unlikely that respect will happen.
On the good news side, I guess its good news/well at least for the young blood group, those old cogers are not going to live forever despite what they say/claim and then YOU will move up and become the "Official Old Grouches".
N5LRZ
R Arceneaux
Pending OOG in the wings
Pretty much hit the nail on the head...
One last post, then I will join others and not let myself get drawn into this again.
Show me
one
single
post
where a "no coder" has indicated that he is expecting "instant respect"?
KB0LPI
03-01-2007, 07:23 PM
I'm in a fine mood. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I never asked for more permissions, I never asked for code to go away. I started learning code as something new to do. I have no HF equipment, I won't be on 10m anytime soon.
My code learning software says I'm 95% at 5wpm. I think I could have passed Elem. 1, but why bother? Just to say I did? After all I have the same privledges now as if I had.
I'll be judged by my actions on the air, not if I passed Elem 1.
When I do get some HF equipment, I'll be sure my first contact is CW just to freak some people out. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
I'm happy as can be and could care less about code being required one way or another. I'm in no great hurry to upgrade either. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
MH,
I thought my subject here was a fair question. Notice how I referred to Techs as techs, not NCTs. And notice how and why the topic got off track. Which of course is what I suspected would happen. What is so funny is that nobody must have read the messages, they just hit reply and posted. LOL!!
ab8ma
03-01-2007, 07:31 PM
Quote[/b] (KB0LPI @ Mar. 01 2007,19:23)]When I do get some HF equipment, I'll be sure my first contact is CW just to freak some people out. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
I like this guy. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
N8CPA
03-01-2007, 07:56 PM
Quote[/b] (KB0LPI @ Mar. 01 2007,15:23)]When I do get some HF equipment, I'll be sure my first contact is CW just to freak some people out. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Want to make a sked?
ke4pjw
03-01-2007, 08:16 PM
Quote[/b] ]Why are QRZ Technicians so angry?
Maybe the constant berating is getting on their nerves.
I don't see the berating as a motivator to advance in the hobby as some folks seem to think it is. It's the type of thing a high school football coach would use to motivate teenagers. It does not work so well on adults.
K7JEM
03-01-2007, 08:24 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,11:41)]Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Mar. 01 2007,11:23)]Charlie doesn't recognize that.
Most people can only see flaws in others, they can't see flaws in themselves.
I still see a large subset of posters here who do not realize that they lost, and are still fighting for code!
When I say "you won" why would I not be realizing that we lost? And again with the deflection of the issue...I say there is something amis with Techs, you talk about my "flaws". LOLOL!
What a load, Jose.
The first part of the post is referring to the original post above it:Quote[/b] ]At every opporunity, in almost every thread that I have seen you post in, you insult the techs with words and pictures, and then start a thread asking why they are grumpy???
My reply was:
Quote[/b] ]Charlie doesn't recognize that.
Most people can only see flaws in others, they can't see flaws in themselves.
Then I start a new thought process actually dealing with the topic:Quote[/b] ]The techs are no worse or grumpy than any other subset of hams. If you want people to be grumpy, then they will seem grumpy.
I still see a large subset of posters here who do not realize that they lost, and are still fighting for code!
It's just human nature.
I do not suggest that you don't recognize that you've "lost", obviously you do. But there are others on here that are still fighting the code issue. You are smart enough to recognize that, you're just not smart enough to recognize when you are insulting. Or maybe you do recognize that flaw in yourself, and just don't care, after all, this is QRZ, not ham radio.
Joe
Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Mar. 01 2007,13:24)]Or maybe you do recognize that flaw in yourself, and just don't care, after all, this is QRZ, not ham radio.
You are too kind. My "flaws" are many and not limited to tweeking the pointy heads of no coders. But you preempt an honest answer to the question i pose by offering an easy alternative that the already motivationally challenged might find easer to glaum onto as opposed to actually thinking about the issue.
Why the need to continue to "sell" the recent change after their position is won? Guilt? Inferiority? Need to please? Perhaps if you were less verbose, they might get to answer for themselves. Just an idea...
W5HTW
03-01-2007, 08:59 PM
In a way I agree with Charlie. After listening to the whining, moaning and complaining of "change it so I can play, too" I would think no one would expect all that to suddenly, as with the flick of a switch, disappear. We heard it, read it, for years and years. Now it is supposed to go out like a light bulb? Not too likely.
I do think, though, that most of us will still treat any ham on the air as a ham on the air. My gosh, I was certainly new to ham radio one time. I don't remember griping because the test wasn't changed to suit me, but it's been a long time ago. Maybe I did. If so, I didn't do it for 15 years continuously. Maybe 15 minutes? Though the attitude used to be "so that's what I gotta do? I'll do it." That attitude has disappeared from ALL walks of American life. So I don't think I even griped 15 minutes.
But that's all milk under the bridge. Can't go back. "Back" doesn't exist anymore. So if I hear a new ham on the air, he is still a ham, no more, no less. He won't be whining, (I hope) and I won't be either. And I do plan to work a bit more SSB so I can meet some of these new guys and gals.
So far, from what I am hearing, they are doing OK. That suits me.
But 15 years of constant whining and begging, is not going to evaporate overnight. Give it a bit of time.
Ed
KD5SHW
03-01-2007, 09:15 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,12:50)]Why AG4YO still so angry? Dealing with losing...
...fixed
Trolling the troll ftw. #I think someone already suggested desu floods for these threads. #I'm starting to think it is a good idea.
Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Mar. 01 2007,14:16)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,12:01)]Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ Mar. 01 2007,11:53)]Charlie has a very valid point though if you read his intent.
IF the new no coders are going to want instanteous respect from the old timers who have been there for years and earned their status as legends the no coders are going to have to face a few hard facts of life.
Those old grumps/legendaries are not going to change their minds until the new crop has proven in their minds that the new people have earned their respect. And without certain skills (you know what I mean) comparisons are likely to continue to be made and its unlikely that respect will happen.
On the good news side, I guess its good news/well at least for the young blood group, those old cogers are not going to live forever despite what they say/claim and then YOU will move up and become the "Official Old Grouches".
N5LRZ
R Arceneaux
Pending OOG in the wings
Pretty much hit the nail on the head...
One last post, then I will join others and not let myself get drawn into this again.
Show me
one
single
post
where a "no coder" has indicated that he is expecting "instant respect"?
Pick any one at random from KB9YFI. LOL!
N8CPA
03-01-2007, 09:32 PM
Actually, no one won anything. The referees awarded touchdowns to spectators who said they couldn't play the game, or refused to do the calisthenics.
Quote[/b] (KD5SHW @ Mar. 01 2007,14:15)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,12:50)]Why AG4YO still so angry? Dealing with losing...
...fixed
Trolling the troll ftw. I think someone already suggested desu floods for these threads. I'm starting to think it is a good idea.
Suggest you fix the quote here. I did not say this. Nor am I angry about anything. Actually I am having alot of fun.
KA4DPO
03-01-2007, 09:37 PM
Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Mar. 01 2007,16:32)]Actually, no one won anything. #The referees awarded touchdowns to spectators who said they couldn't play the game, or refused to do the calisthenics.
I only have one question; Where the cheerleaders at? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
ab0wr
03-01-2007, 09:48 PM
Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Mar. 01 2007,14:32)]Actually, no one won anything. #The referees awarded touchdowns to spectators who said they couldn't play the game, or refused to do the calisthenics.
ROFL!!! What a picture this invokes!!!
tim ab0wr
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Mar. 01 2007,14:37)]Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Mar. 01 2007,16:32)]Actually, no one won anything. The referees awarded touchdowns to spectators who said they couldn't play the game, or refused to do the calisthenics.
I only have one question; Where the cheerleaders at? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Right here....
W0BKR
03-01-2007, 10:11 PM
Well, I will throw my 2 cents into the toilet here.
The only individuals that should feel any "disrespect" are those that have bitched and whined about taking some time to learn a simple 5 WPM code exam requirement and have kicked and screamed and used the tripe from the NCI camp to justify their unmotivated attitude. Those individuals are far few in my opinion. The rest of the clan are just generic ops, just in a different license class.
Unfortunately, with the flaming and spewing, the categorization may have enveloped more then the handful of truely lazy individuals as one posted referred to them by. I honestly believe, they probably are. Why else complain so adamently about something so trivial as a simple code test at 5 WPM?
Regardless. The rules have been changed. The water has flowed past the damn. The sun has set on that test criteria. Move on.
Bitching and whining either way won't "fix" or make anything better.
To those that upgrade, good for you. To those that continually spew hate filled rhetoric, it will catch up to you I am sure of that. If you carry that attitude onto HF, you will ruffle feather and probably get tarred in the process. You deserve it.
I certainly am not going to keep a database on who was what, when someone upgraded, etc. What is the enjoyment of that?
If however, posts continue to flame one or the other, then you will see more of this on here and possibly on HF. It will happen.
Time to move on.
Kick the deadbeats out of your way and move on.
Period. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
K7JEM
03-01-2007, 10:18 PM
Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Mar. 01 2007,14:32)]Actually, no one won anything. The referees awarded touchdowns to spectators who said they couldn't play the game, or refused to do the calisthenics.
Actually, if your going to compare it to football, the no code side won 66 to 0. And they were more than spectators, I never saw so much weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth as people had about NCI.
Very humorous, to say the least. And it continues. Sore losers, really.
Joe
KA4DPO
03-01-2007, 10:18 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,17:07)]Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Mar. 01 2007,14:37)]Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Mar. 01 2007,16:32)]Actually, no one won anything. #The referees awarded touchdowns to spectators who said they couldn't play the game, or refused to do the calisthenics.
I only have one question; #Where the cheerleaders at? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Right here....
OH Wow! Does that purty thing got a sister?
k0ews
03-01-2007, 10:25 PM
Charlie, I guess I haven't noticed it to the extent that you have, but I don't read too many of the threads either. To me, the code discussion was dead the day that I submitted my comments to the FCC after their R&O. I figured that was about all that I could do, and so I did that, and since then I've tried to look forward.
Some people I'm sure gave me the same amount of disdain when I got my General and Extra all with a whopping 5 w.p.m. code speed. I worked my butt off for the theory, and the code came easy enough for 5 wpm, so that wasn't hard. The ticket, however, is the starting point, and not the ending one. I decided to use CW on the air, and I got hooked. My 2nd Field Day, I could hold my own with the rest of the crew that had been licensed for 40 years. To them, I proved myself on the air, and that was enough.
Bottom line, you prove yourself in ham radio every time that you get on the air. If an operator has impeccable operating skill, a great signal, and I enjoy the chat, I won't care under what conditions he was licensed. That's the way I see it. That's what ham radio should be about.
Yes, there has been whining about the code/no code issue. Charlie, remember, most of it is on the Internet and not on the air. Your title of your thread even says that. Take a hard look at how many /AGs are behaving that way on the air. Give them a chance, and see if they really do need an attitude change. My guess is that they don't.
Let's bury this thing and move forward....now.
k2gsp
03-01-2007, 10:26 PM
Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Feb. 28 2007,15:20)]Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Mar. 01 2007,14:16)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,12:01)]Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ Mar. 01 2007,11:53)]Charlie has a very valid point though if you read his intent.
IF the new no coders are going to want instanteous respect from the old timers who have been there for years and earned their status as legends the no coders are going to have to face a few hard facts of life. #
Those old grumps/legendaries #are not going to change their minds until the new crop has proven in their minds that the new people have earned their respect. # And without certain skills (you know what I mean) comparisons are likely to continue to be made and its unlikely that respect will happen.
On the good news side, I guess its good news/well at least for the young blood group, those old cogers are not going to live forever despite what they say/claim and then YOU will move up and become the "Official Old Grouches".
N5LRZ
R Arceneaux
Pending OOG in the wings
Pretty much hit the nail on the head...
One last post, then I will join others and not let myself get drawn into this again.
Show me
one
single
post
where a "no coder" has indicated that he is expecting "instant respect"?
Pick any one at random from KB9YFI. LOL!
Why don't you go pick one and show everyone, because I haven't seen it. The only time the majority of those No Coders say anything is after they have been attacked by "The Bitter Boys Club." I don't think that's asking for any respect other then what you would give any stranger you don't know. It has nothing to do with the test, just common courtesy.
N8CPA
03-01-2007, 10:52 PM
Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Mar. 01 2007,18:18)]Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Mar. 01 2007,14:32)]Actually, no one won anything. #The referees awarded touchdowns to spectators who said they couldn't play the game, or refused to do the calisthenics.
Actually, if your going to compare it to football, the no code side won 66 to 0. And they were more than spectators, I never saw so much weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth as people had about NCI.
Very humorous, to say the least. And it continues. Sore losers, really.
Joe
It's humorous that you equate a winner who took pains with a sore loser.
kg4yus
03-01-2007, 11:24 PM
Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ Mar. 01 2007,14:53)]...old timers who have been there for years and earned their status as legends
In ones own mind maybe.
I do however have the utmost respect for those who worked hard and learned code.
If an operator refuses to work me because I upgraded to General Class without learning morse than its really no skin off my back, hell I knew it would happen after listening to the numerous hate filled disrespectfull operators in the preceeding weeks.
With that said I have had more fun on the air in the past week on 10 meter and up than I have had in the past 4 years of licensed operation.
kg4yus/ag
KA4DPO
03-01-2007, 11:40 PM
Quote[/b] (kg4yus @ Mar. 01 2007,18:24)]Quote[/b] (N5LRZ @ Mar. 01 2007,14:53)]...old timers who have been there for years and earned their status as legends
In ones own mind maybe.
I do however have the utmost respect for those who worked hard and learned code.
If an operator refuses to work me because I upgraded to General Class without learning morse than its really no skin off my back, hell I knew it would happen after listening to the numerous hate filled disrespectfull operators in the preceeding weeks.
With that said I have had more fun on the air in the past week on 10 meter and up than I have had in the past 4 years of licensed operation.
kg4yus/ag
So has anyone refused to work you?
KG4RUL
03-01-2007, 11:43 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,06:50)]I though it migh be helpful to address why QRZ's Techs are so grumpy lately? You won your battle for codeless HF access! For the most part it seems you're being welcomed on the air.
It should be no suprise that nobody here has given you INSTANT RESPECT. People who were not in favor of the change are trying to give you the benefit of the doubt on the air, but did you expect people to all of a sudden think the change was the right thing to do? After occupying the minds of many for years, did you expect that the subject would drop?
Why are you still trying to convince people the change was right even after you won?
Hey Dude! I don't have to be angry at anyone! I took General and Extra exams and upgraded on the 24th. My world is rosy. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
K7JEM
03-02-2007, 12:01 AM
Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Mar. 01 2007,15:52)]Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Mar. 01 2007,18:18)]
Very humorous, to say the least. And it continues. Sore losers, really.
Joe
It's humorous that you equate a winner who took pains with a sore loser.
No, the winners here are the people who fought for no-code, and the losers are those who fought to retain code testing. It has nothing to do with the level of testing that the person actually took, since many code tested hams were for the dropping of the test, and many non-tested hams were for retaining it.
The humorous part is that some pro-code test hams are still at it, trying to put down the newer hams. Just like a sore loser after the game. They got seriously trounced, yet they are still screaming at the winners.
Whether or not you passed a code test has little to do with the "winner" or "loser" status going on here. Everyone who passes all tests required of him to be a ham is a winner in my book, regardless of the severity of the questions, speed of code test, or if they had to take the test in front of the FCC or from a VE.
Joe
kg4yus
03-02-2007, 12:05 AM
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Mar. 01 2007,19:40)]So has anyone refused to work you?
As of now, no...
Though I did call CQ for nearly an hour on 20 meter today with no response but that may have just been the band, who knows.
I have heard the snide comments after clearing with a station once or twice.
va7aax
03-02-2007, 02:05 AM
sorry wrong post! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
KA4DPO
03-02-2007, 02:28 AM
Quote[/b] (kg4yus @ Mar. 01 2007,19:05)]Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Mar. 01 2007,19:40)]So has anyone refused to work you?
As of now, no...
Though I did call CQ for nearly an hour on 20 meter today with no response but that may have just been the band, who knows.
I have heard the snide comments after clearing with a station once or twice.
The bands were in lousy shape today so probably just no one hearing your CQ. I can't imagine why anyone would make a snyde comment on the air like that but it takes all kinds. I would certainly ignore them.
n7rjd
03-02-2007, 02:34 AM
Quote[/b] (kg4yus @ Mar. 01 2007,10:05)]Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Mar. 01 2007,19:40)]So has anyone refused to work you?
As of now, no...
Though I did call CQ for nearly an hour on 20 meter today with no response but that may have just been the band, who knows.
I have heard the snide comments after clearing with a station once or twice.
Well, if I had been around a radio I would have answered you. Of course you would have had to live without the snide comments at the end.
KI4SQT
03-02-2007, 03:04 AM
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Feb. 28 2007,12:54)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # Yep, the FCC " gave " them every thing they could hope / dream / wish / desire in relation to HF privileges on amateur radio.....so why are they still so grumpy ?
Maybe one of them know and will tell the whole internet world...??
Dismayed, disappointed, disillusioned yes...Angry or grumpy...no.
This is one of the few hobbies that I have ever tried...where the "resident experts" have such a large field sectored off...just for them...And have written so many of their own "unwritten rules" as to preclude any new players from participating in "their game"...As well, I've never participated in a hobby that saw to it that new...and "lesser qualified and licensed" members could be made to feel so damn unwelcome...All because the controlling agency has changed the official rules without their approval...Their exclusive "good ole boy" club has now had the doors swung wide open, now admitting the "token minority"...as it were!
There are...and always have been many reasons that people choose to get into amateur radio...and all of those reasons are not just to converse in CW...as well, the reasons are not always to learn how to build and fix their own equipment...or to reach into the depths of electronic or radio theory... Or... to dedicate their life to being rude, obnoxious...and downright nasty...to those new people that now want to join the ranks in amateur radio...even if their reason is just so they can converse all over the world without having to use code or wade into the depths of electronic and radio theory...Can't you narrow minded people just welcome us into your hobby with open arms, smiles and handshakes as well as friendly advice and help...and to mentor us into being hams that you are not and should not be ashamed of?
Only time will tell!
N4CYA
03-02-2007, 03:12 AM
because it's because of all the upper license classes wont even
give us a chance on the HF side let alone any self respect all we been hearing from people is how bad we operate or whos doing what and how then whining about it. The way I see this dont you guys rebember when everyone started either as a novice or technician? face it we all was there when we all started out in this hobby dont matter if your white, black or indifferent we're all the same. But anyways I dont wont see any letting up on the issue anytime soon some of you guys should think about everyone has someone new to either QSO with and meet. But anyways thats only my 2 cents probaly dont matter what I said. N4CYA
kg4yus
03-02-2007, 03:18 AM
Quote[/b] (KE7DLG @ Mar. 01 2007,22:34)]Well, if I had been around a radio I would have answered you. Of course you would have had to live without the snide comments at the end.
Ahhh it dont bother me. Both times it was another sation not the one I was in contact with. Of course with no identification. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
KI4ITV
03-02-2007, 03:31 AM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,07:25)]MH,
I thought my subject here was a fair question. Notice how I referred to Techs as techs, not NCTs. And notice how and why the topic got off track. Which of course is what I suspected would happen. What is so funny is that nobody must have read the messages, they just hit reply and posted. LOL!!
And from this day forward we shall refer to you only as...
The Master Baiter.
kg4zar
03-02-2007, 03:33 AM
Angry? Not me!
Rarely do I post replies here,even though I log on several times a week to check out the Q&A and a couple of other forums. I've read a few of the "opinnion" threads but never really got into them.
I have to agree with all that made statements about using NCT/Extra Lite and other tags. I am an "Amateur Radio operator" or "Ham". Nothing more and nothing less. It just happens that I hold a Technician class liscense since 3/17/2003. I do the drivetime repeater thing with my friends but I really get into 2m and 6m SSB and work a good bit of 2m simplex FM. Angry? Heck no,I'm very happy with where I'm at. Do I plan on upgrading? Maybe someday. I've passed the General element practice tests for three years now but I haven't experienced everything my Tech ticket offers yet.
I saw the question of respect waved around in several post. Whatever class ticket you hold,wether you passed 5,13 or 20wpm or didn't take a code test at all,you will get my respect by being a curtious and decent operator on the air and running a clean good sounding station.
Enough said!
Larry
n7rjd
03-02-2007, 03:49 AM
Quote[/b] (KI4SQT @ Mar. 01 2007,13:04)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Feb. 28 2007,12:54)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Yep, the FCC " gave " them every thing they could hope / dream / wish / desire in relation to HF privileges on amateur radio.....so why are they still so grumpy ?
Maybe one of them know and will tell the whole internet world...??
Dismayed, disappointed, disillusioned yes...Angry or grumpy...no.
Don't waste your time being any of the above. Fact is you are running into three types:
1 The true OF who can't stand the idea of someone getting away with something they had to do.
2 The pile on type, the one that jumps in so they can belong to something and carries the torch in the absence of others.
3 Those that are just happy to see somebody taking the heat instead of them for a change. These are the ones that will use the current situation to try and gain acceptance where they have long felt left out.
These are the 3 types that seem to be causing the most trouble over this issue. The good news is there are more out there that will not look down on you or treat you differently regardless of when you upgraded or what rules were in effect at the time. This includes a lot who did not and do not agree with the dropping of the code of which I am one. Not agreeing does not mean standing at the ready to take it out on anyone and everyone who benefited from the change.
kn4ds
03-02-2007, 04:03 AM
Sure no time to be angry or anything else negative tonight... too busy dealing with all the tornadoes here.
This is the discussion I had in mind. PEQ, why not take part in the conversation instead of your foolishness? Thanks to JEM for muzzling himself so these folks could say their piece.
k2gsp
03-02-2007, 04:22 AM
Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ Feb. 28 2007,22:03)]Sure no time to be angry or anything else negative tonight... too busy dealing with all the tornadoes here.
Stay safe Dave.
va7aax
03-02-2007, 04:25 AM
Quote[/b] (kg4zar @ Mar. 01 2007,20:33)]Angry? Not me!
#Rarely do I post replies here,even though I log on several times a week to check out the Q&A and a couple of other forums. I've read a few of the "opinnion" threads but never really got into them.
#I have to agree with all that made statements about using NCT/Extra Lite and other #tags. I am an "Amateur Radio operator" or "Ham". Nothing more and nothing less. It just happens that I hold a Technician class liscense since 3/17/2003. I do the drivetime repeater thing with my friends but I really get into 2m and 6m SSB and work a good bit of 2m simplex FM. Angry? Heck no,I'm very happy with where I'm at. Do I plan on upgrading? Maybe someday. I've passed the General element practice tests for three years now but I haven't experienced everything my Tech ticket offers yet.
#I saw the question of respect waved around in several post. Whatever class ticket you hold,wether you passed 5,13 or 20wpm or didn't take a code test at all,you will get my respect by being a curtious and decent operator on the air and running a clean good sounding station.
Enough said!
Larry
i have to say i agree completely
KC0OFZ
03-02-2007, 04:25 AM
Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Mar. 01 2007,17:01)]Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Mar. 01 2007,15:52)]Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Mar. 01 2007,18:18)]
Very humorous, to say the least. And it continues. Sore losers, really.
Joe
It's humorous that you equate a winner who took pains with a sore loser.
No, the winners here are the people who fought for no-code, and the losers are those who fought to retain code testing. It has nothing to do with the level of testing that the person actually took, since many code tested hams were for the dropping of the test, and many non-tested hams were for retaining it.
The humorous part is that some pro-code test hams are still at it, trying to put down the newer hams. Just like a sore loser after the game. They got seriously trounced, yet they are still screaming at the winners.
Whether or not you passed a code test has little to do with the "winner" or "loser" status going on here. Everyone who passes all tests required of him to be a ham is a winner in my book, regardless of the severity of the questions, speed of code test, or if they had to take the test in front of the FCC or from a VE.
Joe
interesting point...
KC0OFZ
03-02-2007, 04:28 AM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,21:07)]This is the discussion I had in mind. #PEQ, why not take part in the conversation instead of your foolishness? #Thanks to JEM for muzzling himself so these folks could say their piece.
PEQ if too full of himself...it will never happen
kn4ds
03-02-2007, 04:30 AM
Quote[/b] (KI4SXC @ Mar. 01 2007,23:22)]Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ Feb. 28 2007,22:03)]Sure no time to be angry or anything else negative tonight... too busy dealing with all the tornadoes here.
Stay safe Dave.
Thanks... that's been the goal.
k0cmh
03-02-2007, 04:31 AM
Look out Joe, I see them.
Rattta tat tat tat.
Wow Joe, that was close. They shot my helmet off. But I have the "50" loaded. We will give them some back.
Blaaaaaaatttttt. Blaaaattttt. There, take that.
Look out Joe. Incoming.
Zeeeeeeeeeoooooooowwww. BOOM.
Dang it Joe, that was a mortor. Almost got us.
Ahhh, Don't worry Jim. I got the artillery boys on the radio. Up 100, right 200, fire for effect.
Woooooooooshhhhh. Booom.
Dang it Joe, that landed almost on top of us.
etc. etc. etc.
kn4ds
03-02-2007, 04:57 AM
I saw a post earlier (might've been this thread, might not, I'm too lazy to go look right now) that struck me as on-target...
For many, we're just starting out on HF, just like the rest of you did at some point. We're meeting the "minimum" qualifications required, and we're going to need the help of those who've gone before us.
For some, we've been around a while... some a real long while. We've just been up on VHF/UHF. Yeah, in some areas, those frequencies are cesspools... I've been fortunate not to have lived in those areas.
But those who have had to deal with the morons on VHF/UHF have had a valid concern about the idiots getting on HF. I've been glad to see very few reports of any such activity.
This evening has been interesting. The Georgia ARES net has held 3975 all evening, due to the weather. Once someone came up and tried to call someone else, net control asked them to QSY and that was the end of that... no troubles at all.
Locally, on 2 meters, we had a bunch of folks come on and talk about what was going on in their area. No formal net, but we did have someone who passed appropriate (none of this "it's raining here") information to the statewide linked 2 meter Skywarn net.
Twice, we had radar indicated tornadoes move through, although after the fact, both storms were confirmed to have actually had touch-downs, albeit before they got here.
Throughout all of this, everybody's been just great... on HF, some info was passed on to the weather service, but on the HF net, more information was disseminated from NWS and EMAs than vice-versa. But not a peep that was out of place.
On VHF, pretty relaxed operation locally, but well-run state-wide linked net. Again, everybody working together to try and pinpoint any problem areas.
Do you know, out of 5 1/2 hours of this, I never once heard anybody ask what the license class was, nor what speed code test, if any, they'd passed. Nobody was angry, nobody was upset.
I think a LOT of times, especially here on the 'net, people speak before they think. I also believe that it's much, much harder to really understand when someone's speaking "tongue-in-cheek" or just teasing. It's a failing of a written medium such as this.
Many things that've been said here and upset people, if they'd been said face to face, would have resulted in a chuckle and everybody'd have another cup of coffee (or whatever). Granted, some of those things wouldn't have been said in person, which is another part of this... bravery behind a keyboard.
I'm not angry at anybody. I'm trying to take a look at comments, and decide if it's just going to make it worse and/or drag it out if I make a smartass response.
We did not take the same road travelled by those who went before us, and now, we cannot. That road's been torn up and hauled off. I can't be mad at folks who believe that road should always have been there, even if they're very vocal about that belief. They have just as much right to it as anyone else has to their own belief that the road was old and potholed and should have been re-routed years ago.
And besides, as I said earlier, if Charlie or whoever wants to rag on me and give me crap, that's fine. At least they're leaving someone else alone!
n7rjd
03-02-2007, 05:10 AM
Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ Mar. 01 2007,14:57)]And besides, as I said earlier, if Charlie or whoever wants to rag on me and give me crap, that's fine. At least they're leaving someone else alone!
I don't know. Some of these guys are world class multitaskers. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
K7JEM
03-02-2007, 06:21 AM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Mar. 01 2007,21:07)]This is the discussion I had in mind. PEQ, why not take part in the conversation instead of your foolishness? Thanks to JEM for muzzling himself so these folks could say their piece.
The package arrived earlier today. Thanks Charlie!
Photo of me wearing gift from YO:
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6982/muzzlewj5.jpg
KD6NIG
03-02-2007, 10:17 AM
I'm angry because I just got my vehicle registration renewal in the mail, which in California isn't cheap.
The code issue went away when the date passed. I went from Technician to Technician. What a change.
Now to go pay this bill. I could care less about code. I care more about this $215 I need to send to the State of California, and I know after I send it no potholes will be filled around here still......
Carry on http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
N5PVL
03-02-2007, 10:19 AM
AG4YO:
Do they have a "full body" version for the whackos down at ARRL HQ?
I'll be glad to chip in if you decide to take up a collection for that, Charlie!
Put me on record as volunteering to show up at ARRL HQ and apply the appliances as necessary. - I'll need some help with the travel and following legal expenses... - I am quite thorough and you know how it goes... If they struggle too much I might have to get a little bit rough, and at least one of them is sure to complain.
- But not until somebody sets them loose again, eh? # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
KC0OFZ
03-02-2007, 10:31 AM
Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Mar. 02 2007,03:17)]I'm angry because I just got my vehicle registration renewal in the mail, which in California isn't cheap.
The code issue went away when the date passed. #I went from Technician to Technician. #What a change.
Now to go pay this bill. #I could care less about code. #I care more about this $215 I need to send to the State of California, and I know after I send it no potholes will be filled around here still......
Carry on http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
damn...I am guessing you do not drive a brand new expensive vehicle either. I had heard that CA really stuck it to a guy when he got his tags for a vehicle.
KC9ECI
03-02-2007, 10:53 AM
A number of posts in this thread have crossed the line.
Tom
One of the QRZ.COM moderators.