A headline today doubts Vitamins A, C and E pills

[W2ILP]

A headline today says that scientists say that Vitamins A, C and E have not prolonged the lives of some old folks who they are monitoring. #Other people who took placebo pills instead of the vitamins lived longer. # The scientists offered no theory as to why the people who didn't take the vitamins lived longer.

I am always skeptical about scientific conclusions that are based on limited samples...but I was always skeptical about vitamins A, C and E and believed that they could only be useful antioxidants when eaten as natural food rather than in pill form. #So here is a case where my opinion has at least been proved to some extent. #It is a shame that I did not post my opinion before this news report was published. #I'm making up for it by my skeptical anti-GW catastrophe opinion.

The report said nothing about B vitamins. #I only take folic acid pills which are a type of B vitamin. #I believe that B vitamins may be good for nerves and brains but I could be wrong.

w2ilp (Ignoring Longevity Pills)

Two bees had a fight. #One took vitamins....The Vitamin B one.
---cause unknown--

[WF7A]

I don't take stock in vitamins and supplements that are supposed to make us live longer since our bodies will either metabolize or dispose of the vitamins it really needs or has no use for--everything else...feh!

I am convinced, however, that a key factor in living longer--aside from good hereditary genes and exercise--is attitude. People who are naturally happy, enjoy life, and have a positive attitude do live longer; those, like me, who have nothing but stress in their lives 24/7, well...we don't. :S

[AC0H]

This can't be.
Scientists and the scientific method are never wrong, according to some in another thread.

[k5xit]

Hells' Bells, ILP you know if it was on the printed page it is true!! You are some kind of engineer are you not? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[n0jaa]

Maybe they will extend life and maybe they won't, but regardless, Vitamin C is still a good thing to take daily for its antioxidant value. It is especially useful for people, like me, with Lymphedema, or some other form of edema. And unlike Vitamins A, D and E, you can take as much C as you want, as it is water soluble (meaning your body will use only what it needs and eliminate the rest).

[G0GQK]

It has been proved a number of times that people who shove these pills down are wasting their money. If you eat a good balanced diet of fish and meat etc. the body doesn't need all these extra vitamins. However if your diet is mostly beer and 'dogs, the tablets still won't be any good for you you'll just get obese, diabetes, high blood pressure and have a heart attack. But don't worry about it, just keep learnin' the code !

G0GQK http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Feb. 28 2007,05:51)]This can't be.
Scientists and the scientific method are never wrong, according to some in another thread.
I think you are making a big mistake. If you are referring to the global warming thread nobody said that scientists are not wrong. What has been said is that the anthropogenic climate theory is the best fit logical explaination that fits the data that has been onserved and measured. Until someone else comes along with a different theory that provides a more logically concise and fits the observed data the theory holds. This far nobody has which is why the anthropogenic theory is accepted by the majority of the worlds climatlogists. The same holds true for any theory in science. Scientists don't have the luxury of absolute proofs as mathematicians often do. In science it is always possible that one theory may be altered, changes or rejected in favor of a new one. But for that to happen a new theory must provide a better explaination of the observed data. The scientific method in and of itself can't be wrong because the very method allows for this type of openness and "self correction".

[n2ize]

Regarding the study concerning the benefits of taking A, D and E suppliments does anyone have a link to the actual study ? Sometimes an actual reading of the actual study before making comment could be quite helpful. I would ask:

1) Who performed this study ?
2) What was the sample upon which the data was collected, i.e. who were these people ?
3) What was the intended goal of the study ? i,e, what precisely were they trying to show ?
4) Where can one obtain a copy of the study to read and thus be better informed ?

I heard a rumour that the study involved cancer patients in hospitals. If so it may be rather difficult to extrapolate the results on this research to the general populous and otherwise healthy individuals. For example, lets hypothetically say higher doses of these vitamins reduces the probability of cancer in otherwise healthy individuals. Then that would imply that they do have life extending properties in the sense that fewer people become sick to begin with and thus live longer.

[kc7jty]

Every single thing that at one time was the cat's meow will be shown to be of no value, then come into it's own once again.
It's all based on faith. If you believe in something enough it will benefit you even though it can't.

Kinda like W. He was the greatest, then the worst, next year he might be back on top and in the sunshine of his own love?

[W2ILP]

I'll type something in this thread to bring it to the top of the list. #Apparently few read it because a thread on the same subject, called "Killer Vitamins" got started.

I know that the moderators would have a hard time if they had the task of combining threads that are on the same subject and sorting out stiff that is off subject and putting it into threads where it is relative to the subject. #I guess you could only do that kind of thing if you had Google like software. #Maybe nobody should originate threads here and it would be best if the moderators determined what the topic of a post is and put it under a thread title that they devise, if one has not already been started. # Maybe some posts belong in more than one thread...while others might be dead threaded into a dead end...but that would be seen as censorship by posters. #There is thus no easy answer. #Oh...What wondrous threads we weave...when first we practice to deceive.

To stay on topic...Stay healthy...Live long...Don't take your vitamin pills...except maybe B Vitamins...I think...

Don't believe what advertisers say about their pills. #There was once a brand of pills called, Carter's Little Liver Pills. #It was taken off the shelves because: - It wasn't made with liver. It didn't cure liver problems...and it had nothing to do with Jimmy Carter so it wasn't even made with peanuts.

w2ilp (Imitation Liver Pills)...weren't even a real Carter's Liver Pill product...but they worked just as well...I think.

[W2ILP]

When I was in high school a friend of mine became a health nut and a Vitamin addict. At that time there was a famous diet expert who had a regular program on WOR Radio in New York. The Vitamin expert was Professor Carlton Fredricks. Dr. Fredricks advertised a brand of vitamins which was supposed to be superior to all others and he preached about not eating white sugar, or white bread and many things that most of us ate, which weren't his sponsors. He even advertised vitamins that he said he fed to his pet dog. Dr. Fredricks often invited old people who used vitamins to testafy on his program. In at least one case such a witness didn't show up for a live interview because he had died before he could. Still my friend was so impressed with Fredericks that he dragged me to the radio studio where the show originated and got Carlton to autograph his pill bottle. I didn't buy any vitamins that Frederics advertised myself, at the time because they were too expensive and I was saving up for some 807 tubes.. but I did take Brewer's Yeast tablets for a while...I dunno if they did much good...but I wanted to take at least some advice from Fredericks because I figured that he must know something and I didn't want to offend my friend by saying that I had no faith in any of the advice of Fredericks. All kinds of people called Fredericks for advice on what to eat and what pills to take ...so I thought at thaught, at that time, that he must be a real genius and all of the products in most grocery stores were being made by murderers who wanted to kill us with their synthesized foods. Later in life I realized that if the foods we ate diddn't kill us the vitamins we took instead of the foods would probably kill us quicker...because they are more concentrated. Life is a constant process of oxydation. As we age we get more burned out. Neither food nor vitamins can reverse that process..It only casn add fuel to it....I think.

w2ilp (Inevitable Life Process)...No yogurt culture known to man can slow it.