The wedding of the century!

[ab8ro]

The <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/27/us/27jesus.html?hp
" target="_blank">new york times is reporting on a documentary</a> which claims that the bones of jesus were contained in a crypt along with those of his wife mary magdalene and their son judah.

Of course this chaps the hide of some christians because, marriage and fornication aside, #it's not particularly compatible with that resurrection thing.

So what do you think? Is this making baby jesus cry? Or is this progress to a better understanding of a significant time in history?

Oh, on the subject of making baby jesus cry, be sure to see Talledega Nights (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/talladega_nights_the_ballad_of_ricky_bobby/) for a three beer knee slapping night of fun with the missus.

[ac3p]

Considering this is being done by the Discovery Channel which also produces detailed documentaries on the private lives of cavemen and dinosaurs, I will take it with a grain of salt.

[WA3KYY]

The majority of serious acrcheologists and historians claim this story is a lot of bunk. #Funeral ossiaries and tombs were strictly used by those of the upper classes and not the middle class or poor. #It was a wealthy merchant, Joseph of Arimathea, who reportedly offered his tomb for Jesus after the crucifixtion. That location is where the Church of the Resurrection now stands according to tradition, a long way from the neighborhood of the tomb in the documentary. #In addition, any such tombs would be in their home towns and we know Jesus was from Nazareth. So any family tomb would have been there and not likely to be in Jerusalem. #Finally, the names Mary, Joseph, Jesus and Judah were very common and there were undoubtably numerous families containing members with those names. #It is very likely that the tomb was that of a wealthy Jerusalem family rather than a poor carpenter's family.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (WA3KYY @ Feb. 26 2007,10:49)]The majority of serious acrcheologists and historians claim this story is a lot of bunk. #
How can we trust what they say? After all, they probably believe in global warming.

I have an idea.

We should each ask baby jesus if the story is true or not and then compare the answers that he gives us.

[w3scm]

Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Feb. 26 2007,11:29)]How can we trust what they say? After all, they probably believe in global warming.

I have an idea.

We should each ask baby jesus if the story is true or not and then compare the answers that he gives us.
A fine troll, or else a pretty clear indication that you have some issues you need to resolve.

BOTTOM LINE: we'll never know.

[K3XR]

Good try for a &quot;Sideshow&quot;.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news....D=54446 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54446)

[K0RGR]

I don't believe we will cancel Easter quite yet.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Feb. 26 2007,13:48)]Good try for a &quot;Sideshow&quot;.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news....D=54446 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54446)
Well, it's certainly entertaining, I'll give it that. But jesus is the all around family entertainer (http://www.videosift.com/video/Rowan-Atkinson-Jesus). However, where is the &quot;expert&quot; evidence that resurrection actually happened?

If it does exist then don't you think worldnetdaily could come up with a better reference than this (http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=1813)?

From the link
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&quot;Cameron, whose claim to fame is a fictionalized account of the sinking of the Titanic, unveiled a documentary claiming a coffin found in Jerusalem 27 years ago once contained the remains of Jesus Christ,&quot; said Rev. Rob Schenck, the president of the National Clergy Council.


I wonder if the good reverend is an archeologist or historian himself?

Oh look, from the good reverend's biographical information which can be found here (http://www.faithandaction.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=18).
Quote[/b] ]
Doctor of Divinity, honoris causae, Atlantic Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church
Master’s Degree in Christian Ministry, Faith Evangelical Lutheran Seminary of Tacoma, WA


Well, but he does have a Ph.D. in Divinity.

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However, he said, &quot;a Hollywood director is the least qualified to render any determination of biblical truth.


Certainly true, I suspect Cameron is making the movie but relying on other experts.

Quote[/b] ] Not only so, but the people Mr. Cameron has partnered with completely lack credibility. One has been discredited by experts as a charlatan


Um, which one, and what about the others, and which experts?

Perhaps someone else has a link to a better source of information. I mean, we clearly need to discredit this blasphemous story that is tantamount to public spitting on the bible, nay, public peeing on the GENUINE tomb of baby jesus.

But, in order to do this, we need a story with references.

Is this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simcha_Jacobovici) the charlatan? #After all, he claims to have found evidence that, if true, would be the first actual physical evidence (http://shopping.discovery.com/product-37753.html) that jesus even existed.

Or maybe it's this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oded_Golan) who seems to be in a bit of a jam (http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=105853) over some forgery business?

Of course, if the church wants us to view it as anything other than historical charlatans, perhaps it should come up with its own physical evidence that jesus actually existed. How hard could that be, after all, they had hundreds of years to get the job done? How hard could it be to reject well documented arguments like these (http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm) and these (http://www.atheists.org/christianity/didjesusexist.html), which suggest that if we believe in jesus we could just as easily believe in hercules?

Some experts in the field claim that the tomb holds no merit
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Amos Kloner, professor at Israel's Bar-Ilan University, who was the archeologist who first revealed the discovery, believes the cave and its contents hold no significance.

Kloner told CTV that the names found on the tombs are common ones at the time.

&quot;These are the most common names among Jews in these centuries,&quot; said Kloner, who published his findings in 1996.

&quot;It's very interesting,&quot; he said of all of the names of Jesus' family being found on ossuaries in the same cave, &quot;but it's not a convincing proof that it's the family of Jesus.&quot; He knows of at least two other ossuaries that bear the name of Jesus, son of Joseph.


But Cameron claims (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070226/jesus_tomb_060226/20070226?hub=TopStories) that his team has calculated the odds of the coincidence

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In the documentary, University of Toronto statistician Andre Feuerverger calculates that the chances of the names being found together are 600 to one.


Now, I'm not a betting man, so I wouldn't gamble on those odds, but they're one heck of a lot better than 1/33,830, the supposed odds of you choosing the right god (http://www.joeuser.com/articleComments.asp?c=1&AID=142842) thus avoiding an eternity of torment.

But, if you've got the soul to spare, then you have pretty good odds of getting a free dvd (http://www.blasphemychallenge.com/) for just a little bit of work.

[K8MHZ]

Even if someone found Jesus' bones that would not disprove resurrection. #His body was not found where they left it, according to scripture. #He decided he needed it for a while and may have perished again, this time leaving the body for discovery on an American network cable TV channel a couple millenia later. #What's so hard to believe about that?

[n9vo]

Quote[/b] (w3scm @ Feb. 27 2007,11:57)]Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Feb. 26 2007,11:29)]How can we trust what they say? After all, they probably believe in global warming.

I have an idea.

We should each ask baby jesus if the story is true or not and then compare the answers that he gives us.
A fine troll, or else a pretty clear indication that you have some issues you need to resolve.

BOTTOM LINE: we'll never know.
This poster specializes in trolls and slam dunk attempts. What does this have to do in any shape manner or form with qrz.com. Come on man, your issues are beginning to show again.

Oh and the bottom line is: On judgement day he will know!!! Only problem is it will be too late!

[W5IEI]

Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Feb. 27 2007,10:29)]Quote[/b] (WA3KYY @ Feb. 26 2007,10:49)]The majority of serious acrcheologists and historians claim this story is a lot of bunk.
How can we trust what they say? After all, they probably believe in global warming.

I have an idea.

We should each ask baby jesus if the story is true or not and then compare the answers that he gives us.
Perhaps you'll get your chance sooner than you'd like.

[KE5FRF]

Yaaawn.

I wonder how many Jesus graves one might find in a border town in Texas? Would that get a show on the Discovery Channel?

This is just aa twice baked potato, as this story was dismissed in the 70s when the grave was discovered. I wonder if Cameron has any financial interest in DVD sales of the DeVinci Code? This isn't surprising, Hollywood is getting to be a pretty boring place when top box office draws are just remakes of old films, in some cases like King Kong the third remake. I had no idea they could do that with documentaries too.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (n9vo @ Feb. 26 2007,20:20)]What does this have to do in any shape manner or form with qrz.com.
You're kidding right? This is rag chew central where baby jesus is a regular topic of conversation.

[AE6IP]

Would y'all mind helping me understand how this jesus guy, whose only documentation is a handful of stories written down more than sixty years after he lived, for which the earliest extent versions come from decades after that, is given such credence over, say, Siddhartha Guatama, who is well documented from sources outside of his followers?

I'll take the fella who didn't want any followers and who said it was all your own issue to deal with over the fella with the sadistic father, kthx.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Feb. 26 2007,23:00)]Would y'all mind helping me understand how this jesus guy, whose only documentation is a handful of stories written down more than sixty years after he lived, for which the earliest extent versions come from decades after that, is given such credence over, say, Siddhartha Guatama, who is well documented from sources outside of his followers?

I'll take the fella who didn't want any followers and who said it was all your own issue to deal with over the fella with the sadistic father, kthx.
Cause jesus has a way cooler name.

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Feb. 28 2007,22:04)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Feb. 26 2007,23:00)]Would y'all mind helping me understand how this jesus guy, whose only documentation is a handful of stories written down more than sixty years after he lived, for which the earliest extent versions come from decades after that, is given such credence over, say, Siddhartha Guatama, who is well documented from sources outside of his followers?

I'll take the fella who didn't want any followers and who said it was all your own issue to deal with over the fella with the sadistic father, kthx.
Cause jesus has a way cooler name.
Cooler than Buddha? No way, man. The world's full of guys named jesus but there's only one buddha.

[wv6z]

“Oh we have PROOF…… we have DNA!!!!” Yeah, right, of course ya do. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (ku4my @ Feb. 28 2007,23:05)]“Oh we have PROOF…… we have DNA!!!!” Yeah, right, of course ya do. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
That was almost as funny as the &quot;Ringo, George, John and Paul&quot; comment, given that George and John are burried in different places.

&quot;Hey, god? you mind if i run this cotton swap around inside your mouth?&quot;

[k5xit]

Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Feb. 26 2007,23:36)]The <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/27/us/27jesus.html?hp
" target="_blank">new york times is reporting on a documentary</a> which claims that the bones of jesus were contained in a crypt along with those of his wife mary magdalene and their son judah.

Of course this chaps the hide of some christians because, marriage and fornication aside, #it's not particularly compatible with that resurrection thing.

So what do you think? Is this making baby jesus cry? Or is this progress to a better understanding of a significant time in history?

Oh, on the subject of making baby jesus cry, be sure to see Talledega Nights (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/talladega_nights_the_ballad_of_ricky_bobby/) for a three beer knee slapping night of fun with the missus.
Sounds like you have just a few problems ole man.