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W0JBC
01-25-2007, 10:13 AM
This not a trolling question .. Period ....
What do I get for free ??
I have been waiting in line ...
What do OT hams get ??
New jockey's , hot dogs , maybe a T-shirt http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I'm ready for the gov to give something away to the one's who held on for years for the freebies.....
Of course .. flames .... just for working for my ticket ...
Seriously, what do we get ... for free http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif??
JB
KI4NGN
01-25-2007, 10:49 AM
A SINGLE requirement has been eliminated, so please enlighten me... who's getting something for free?
W0JBC
01-25-2007, 11:36 AM
When you don't have to do something someone else had to do for the same end, that is free..
JB
Quote[/b] ]I'm ready for the US Government to give something away to the one's who held on for years for the freebies.....
Of course .. # flames #.... #just for working for my ticket ...
I can understand how this question could be seen as another troll posting.
Free? #You have to be kidding. #FCC still collects that $14 when you walk in, right?
Better hope that you get some $$ from your earlier Social Secuirty deducations. #
I still don't know how "W" credit card mania ($600 billion for Iraq war alone and moving toward $ 1 trillion .... and wanted more tax cuts) math works (or can be justified outside of the ideology talkers). #Sounds like Government wants free credit!
w9gb
KB9YFI
01-25-2007, 01:38 PM
What do you get for free?
Let's see...
-The survival of the ARS.
-Someone to QSO with on HF as the OF's are dying off left and right.
-Something to bitch about because you really wouldn't be happy if you couldn't bitch about SOMETHING.
-Maybe some new HF radios and other equipment put on the market to serve a new population of HF ops. Eventually prices will go down as quality and features go up.
-The opportunity to look down on a whole new class of operator and feel smug and superior knowing you had to do something hard that they never will be required to do.
-A shiny red rubber ball. Come on over and I'll give it you personally. I hope it fits.
Quote[/b] (w9gb @ Jan. 24 2007,23:44)]FCC still collects that $14 when you walk in, right?
WRONG!!
An amateur radio license is totally, completely, entirely, 100% FREE!. The only cost payable to the FCC associated with a license is a "regulatory fee" of $20.80 for a vanity callsign. As long as you keep a sequentially issued callsign, you will never pay them a penny.
(But if you fail to ID every 10 minutes, you could face a fine of $10,000 and possible jail time!)
The FCC gets $0.00 of the money you paid the examination team. Some VEC's (Volunteer Examination Coordinators - like the ARRL and W5YI) allow the team to keep a portion of the money for offset their expenses, but most of it goes the the VEC.
Scott NĜIU
nm5tf
01-25-2007, 02:08 PM
Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 25 2007,00:38)]What do you get for free?
Let's see...
-The survival of the ARS.
-Someone to QSO with on HF as the OF's are dying off left and right.
-Something to bitch about because you really wouldn't be happy if you couldn't bitch about SOMETHING.
-Maybe some new HF radios and other equipment put on the market to serve a new population of HF ops. Eventually prices will go down as quality and features go up.
-The opportunity to look down on a whole new class of operator and feel smug and superior knowing you had to do something hard that they never will be required to do.
-A shiny red rubber ball. Come on over and I'll give it you personally. I hope it fits.
"What do you get for free?"
bad advice....especially here http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
"Someone to QSO with on HF as the OF's are dying off left and right."
thank gawd I'm free...free at last http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
"A shiny red rubber ball. Come on over and I'll give it you personally. I hope it fits."
only if it's a happy-face gag ball http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 25 2007,08:38)]What do you get for free?
Let's see... #
-The survival of the ARS.
-Someone to QSO with on HF as the OF's are dying off left and right.
Nice try, but the ARS is surviving quite well, and last I checked I had lots of people to QSO with, even at the bottom of the sunspot cycle.
Quote[/b] ]
-Maybe some new HF radios and other equipment put on the market to serve a new population of HF ops. Eventually prices will go down as quality and features go up.
Because G-d forbid new hams actually design and build their own equipment...
W5DXP
01-25-2007, 02:13 PM
Quote[/b] (W0JBC @ Jan. 25 2007,05:36)]When you don't have to do something someone else had to do for the same end, that is free..
If others paid the full sticker price and I receive a newly available $2500 rebate on my new GMC pickup, it is free? It sure didn't feel free. :-)
KB9YFI
01-25-2007, 02:20 PM
Buying an american-made vehicle is its own punishment. There is no "free" involved until you are rid of it free and clear.
You get to sharpen your skills by helping new folks.
Hopefully you get the feeling that radio is better off because you were part of it.
K7KBN
01-25-2007, 03:34 PM
"Helping new folks"?
Most of the new folks head for the vanity calls. When I see an Extra-class call sign, I have to believe that this person already knows not only the basics, but a lot of the advanced stuff as well. What sort of help could I possibly offer?
W3MIV
01-25-2007, 03:43 PM
Quote[/b] (W0JBC @ Jan. 25 2007,06:13)]This not a trolling question .. Period ....
It is a troll, purely and simply. And a tiresome one to boot.
Please burn your license and take up some other hobby.
And, of course, 73
WA2ZDY
01-25-2007, 03:54 PM
Quote[/b] (k7kbn @ Jan. 25 2007,10:34)]"Helping new folks"?
Most of the new folks head for the vanity calls. #When I see an Extra-class call sign, I have to believe that this person already knows not only the basics, but a lot of the advanced stuff as well. #What sort of help could I possibly offer?
Especially when they tell you they already know much more than any OF could ever know.
As for having new ops to work, if they can copy my sending, I'll be happy to enjoy.
Oh wait, not liking SSB or keyboard modes doesn't make me an elitist does it?
KB9YFI
01-25-2007, 04:14 PM
Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ Jan. 25 2007,10:54)]Oh wait, not liking SSB or keyboard modes doesn't make me an elitist does it?
No, I think the word you are looking for is "Luddite."
ab1ga
01-25-2007, 04:27 PM
Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 25 2007,11:14)]Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ Jan. 25 2007,10:54)]Oh wait, not liking SSB or keyboard modes doesn't make me an elitist does it?
No, #I think the word you are looking for is "Luddite."
Perhaps with a small "l", or the prefix "neo-"
KB9YFI
01-25-2007, 04:35 PM
Perhaps you are right Morpheus.
"Poppies... for sleep!"
KI4NGN
01-25-2007, 04:36 PM
Quote[/b] (W0JBC @ Jan. 25 2007,04:36)]When you don't have to do something someone else had to do for the same end, that is free..
JB
Someone finances a car, has to make a down payment.
Another finances a car, doesn't have to make a down payment.
Using your reasoning, the second one got his car for free?
Such nonsense.
Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ Jan. 25 2007,10:54)]Oh wait, not liking SSB or keyboard modes doesn't make me an elitist does it?
Nah. Just a stubborn OF. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
w7act
01-25-2007, 04:56 PM
Quote[/b] (W0JBC @ Jan. 24 2007,19:13)]What do I get for free ??
I have been waiting in line ...
What do OT hams get ??
New jockey's , hot dogs , maybe a T-shirt http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I'm ready for the gov to give something away to the one's who held on for years for the freebies.....
Of course .. flames .... just for working for my ticket ...
Seriously, what do we get ... for free http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif??
JB
Oh, you will get a whole bunch of new Generals on February 23 to QSO with at no cost to you. Some of us will come down converse with you on CW and some of us won't.
Some of us might even come in as Extras on or about that date.
See ya on the Bands......
Now let me say this to all you non-whining Old Timers, "Thank You" for your support and the Elmmering you have given me and others over the years. If it wasn't for your kind offering of help over the years in the do and don'ts of Ham Radio many of us would not have progressed in the Hobby. So my hats off to you all and now that Element 1 is in it's death troughs and many of us will upgrade doesn't mean we won't need your help. I'm sure many of us will still be calling on you for continued support and the tapping of your knowledge.
Again "Thank You....."
So newbies won't have to do Element 1 and you did. That's too bad. But then, the OF's had to pass a 13 or 20 wpm test. Did you ? Some of them had to do their test at the FCC offices. Did you ?
On the other hand, OF exams were different - if you go back far enough, they didn't have to answer questions on digital models (other than CW). Or on solid state circuitry. Did that make their tests easier or harder ?
All this brouhaha about Element 1 is a canard. To be an extra you have to work hard to pass Element 4. That takes a lot of commitment that a CB-type probably won't display. The same can go for Element 3.
We could argue long and hard about the rights and wrongs of dropping Element 1. This isn't the place for it. But the short answer to your original question is you already got a pass compared with the OF's.
Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 25 2007,09:14)]Quote[/b] (WA2ZDY @ Jan. 25 2007,10:54)]Oh wait, not liking SSB or keyboard modes doesn't make me an elitist does it?
No, I think the word you are looking for is "Luddite."
Hey, you wouldn't per chance be a libertarian would you?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
KB9YFI
01-25-2007, 05:10 PM
Good call. I'm about as libertarian as they get. I'm pro-freedom on everything.
n0xas
01-25-2007, 05:32 PM
Quote[/b] (W0JBC @ Jan. 25 2007,04:13)]This not a trolling question .. Period ....
Baloney. It's as tiresome a troll as they come. Get a life - they're free.
w6vps
01-25-2007, 05:43 PM
Like it or not the rules have changed...suck it up and
move on or move out. There's still much that is wonderful and just plain fun in amateur radio. If the changes have spolied the hobby for you just leave and find something else to enjoy. Or perhaps you just like to complain.
Paul/W6VPS
Quote[/b] (k7kbn @ Jan. 25 2007,08:34)]"Helping new folks"?
Most of the new folks head for the vanity calls. When I see an Extra-class call sign, I have to believe that this person already knows not only the basics, but a lot of the advanced stuff as well. What sort of help could I possibly offer?
Extra callsigns have not been any indication of knowledge for many years now. Nothing different. Published question pools put an end to that. Many new H.F. operators get into Dxing. Why would they want to keep a long call?
KI4PEQ
02-09-2007, 11:08 AM
Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 25 2007,07:38)]What do you get for free?
Let's see... #
-A shiny red rubber ball. #Come on over and I'll give it you personally. #I hope it fits.
Whether it fits will depend solely upon the orifice chosen.
If the amount of complaining is proportionate to the size of one's alimentary canal, you better have a freaking dodge ball!
Quote[/b] (k7kbn @ Jan. 25 2007,03:34)]"Helping new folks"?
Most of the new folks head for the vanity calls. When I see an Extra-class call sign, I have to believe that this person already knows not only the basics, but a lot of the advanced stuff as well. What sort of help could I possibly offer?
I have my Extra Class ticket, do not have any equipment or experience. Just because I am an Extra certainly does not mean that I do not appreciate info on equipment, operating, and tips and pit-falls.
I am a 65 year OF, finally got into the hobby, and really enjoy the great info I pick up on this site, I have never checked to see what class the info is from. Good info is good info.
Hams are like donuts, all sizes, all flavors, but all good!
Charlie Dant N9VZ
KD6NIG
02-09-2007, 05:39 PM
What do you get?
You get the fact that they could have, instead of dropping the code, made mandatory retesting occur for every renewal every 10 years.
I know of a few people personally who would be relearning code because they haven't used it since they learned it to get their upgraded licence http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
And personally, if such a retest requirement were ever submitted, I'd be all for it. People talk about dumbing down. Nothing that will keep people from forgetting than having to retest to keep the licence every 5-10 years http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Quote[/b] (n9vz @ Feb. 09 2007,09:23)]Hams are like donuts, all sizes, all flavors, but all good!
And, in many cases, just as round. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
kf6rdn
02-10-2007, 01:05 AM
"Troll" would be insulting trolls.
This is more of a jackass.
Not "What's better for the ARS", but "Waaaaaaaa, I did it, why don't they!"
wb7dmx
02-10-2007, 02:45 AM
I have found that in this life time there is NOTHING that is free, sooner or later, your going to pay for it.
K7JBQ
02-11-2007, 02:07 AM
Any topic that begins "this is not trolling" usually is.
Trolling really doesn't belong in Q&A, so I moved it.
73,
Bill
KC0OFZ
02-11-2007, 03:55 AM
It is so refreshing to see the anti-CW crowd proclaiming how they are going to save amateur radio. We are so lucky to have all of their great knowledge and effort. They will be the saving grace to us all, just ask them. They have all of the answers.
KB0LPI
02-11-2007, 05:28 AM
Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 25 2007,07:20)]Buying an american-made vehicle is its own punishment. There is no "free" involved until you are rid of it free and clear.
Funny that all the foreign car dealerships have service departments the same size as the US makes, and are just as full. Just remember that's not "sludge" in your Toyota, it's "Gel"
As far as what I get free later this month? .5 MHz over 3 bands for a mode I can't operate in competently yet, and .2Mhz in a band for a mode I could, but don't have a radio for any of it.
I can't wait.
kn4ds
02-11-2007, 05:32 AM
Quote[/b] (KC0OFZ @ Feb. 10 2007,22:55)]It is so refreshing to see the anti-CW crowd proclaiming how they are going to save amateur radio. We are so lucky to have all of their great knowledge and effort. They will be the saving grace to us all, just ask them. They have all of the answers.
And we're all thrilled to death to see your sarcasm...
How 'bout giving folks a chance to prove themselves, rather than painting with such a broad brush?
Most of us know that we don't know the first thing about operating on HF, but some of us are spending time listening, trying to note how we need to be on the air.
We will make mistakes... I'd hope that the folks like you that have the experience can help show us the ropes. Or you can treat us like morons and force us to go away... that's gonna be one hard row to hoe, though, I'd think.
ad4mg
02-11-2007, 06:31 PM
How long does it take ECI's thread-lock to set?
wb7dmx
02-11-2007, 06:35 PM
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Feb. 11 2007,11:31)]How long does it take ECI's thread-lock to set?
the lable on the container dosent say ?
loc-tight non hardening usally takes about 60 s
wb4old
02-11-2007, 11:48 PM
Dave , WOW we agree on something! Will wonders never end?
wb4old
02-12-2007, 01:36 AM
Oh well a small laps of honesty had to be deleted. good job
N3ATS
02-12-2007, 03:06 AM
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W1JRM
02-12-2007, 04:06 AM
well, I am not for nor agenst the Elem 1 drop. However I am for the Hobby. Ever since I was a boy I grew up around the hobby. My grandfather (SK) KQ4IV Started it in my family, who passed it to my Dad N1BOF, who influnanced my interest in eletronics and technoligy. Now if we look back in time when my grandfather started it was mostly AM and CW. Then as years went by SSB and FM worked it was into the Hobby. And I can not qoute but I am sure those where modes at that time that were looked at as not real Amatuer Radio. History of Ham Radio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio#History) Now Times have changed, and in doing so, so has the hobby. Look at PSK31 for instance who would have thought that you could use your computer to pick up a week signal and turn it into a good form of communication. I personally have tried to learn CW time and time again. But the tapes and classes just did me no justice. I am a hands on type person. I have to learn it by trial and error. And that is what I plan on doing. Just cause the FCC said I do not need to test on it anymore does not mean I don't still want to learn it. I want to learn it regaurdless of the requirment. It is just now I have the means to dial up HF goto a CW freq, get a cw cheat sheat and start sending cq cq cq very slow but steady, make a contact and hope that they understand my cw is slow but over time it will get better. and that is my thoughts on this.
73's to all, and for the elmers who have helped me and others who have inspired new modes and other advancment in the hobby I thank you and look foward to the next great leap the hobby takes.
James Markwith
Quote[/b] ]Free? #You have to be kidding. #FCC still collects that $14 when you walk in, right?
That $14 goes to the VEC not the FCC. It defrays the cost of putting on a test session.
In our case $8 pays the ARRL for the testing materials and $6 goes for renting space to hold the test session.
The license is free but the putting on the test and processing the documents costs money.