Reconciliation

[KB1OBH]

Hello all.
I have held off getting into this type of discussion because I don’t yet feel I have enough experience to have valid opinions on major issues, so I will pose a question instead. I am a NCT and I hoped to upgrade before the rule change, but that is not going to happen, so now I am concerned. I am very interested in CW and am doing well learning, and I got into the hobby because of the technical aspect. My concern is that it appears I may not be welcomed on HF. I don’t want to run anybody out, I WANT to talk to the more experienced operators. So my question is this; if when you run me through QRZ and my upgrade shows after 2/23/07 are you going to be less inclined to QSO or think less of me as an operator. Be honest, I can handle it.

[KB1OBH]

Ya so I was going to write about something else so the title doesn't really match. This is why my teachers always told me to proofread. Oh, well.

[K7JEM]

Honestly, 99% of the people won't care. There might be 1% that have an issue, but I think that is even high.

People are scared on both sides. Some oldtimers are convinced that the newbies are going to ruin the hobby. Some newbies are afraid like you.

All in all, nothing will change. If you learn and practice good operating procedure, you will be welcomed. Virtually no-one is going to check your license date, or make an issue of it, unless you are creating havoc, or breaking the rules.

Only a total loser would not communicate with you because you didn't pass the code test. Even those here that are opposed to the code test being dropped have said they will communicate with the newcomers. Some only operate CW, so you may not run into them anyway, unless you try that mode.

In all honesty, I think if you get on CW after 2/23, you may actually get more respect. Here is someone that learned code without being forced to, and without an "incentive". How refreshing!

Joe

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (KB1OBH @ Jan. 28 2007,22:40)]if when you run me through QRZ and my upgrade shows after 2/23/07 are you going to be less inclined to QSO or think less of me as an operator. Be honest, I can handle it.
OK then. Here is how we see it. The No Code ham is on the left, and the CW Op is on the right.

http://www.davemcgraw.com/Images/nctvsmorse.jpg

Other than that, you will be welcomed and respected on the bands. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[WA9SVD]

If I look up a call while I'm on the air with a person, it's because I'd like to know where they are located; I care little when or how they were licensed. Their on-air attitude and how they conduct themselves in relation to other operators is all I care about, not whether they're Novice, NCT, Extra, or anything in between.
If they act civil and respectful of others, that should be all that matters to anyone. There's more than enough OF's that have been licensed since the days of T. rex that have poor attitudes, and are disprespectful of other operators to make up for the newcomers. Don't dwell on the fact that you're a newcomer, just join in the adventure of Amateur Radio, no matter what mode you use. And you'll be welcomed. Anyone who acts differently isn't living up to the Amateur spirit and doesn't deserve an Amateur license.

[wb7dmx]

man, I sure would not want to look like the man on the right.
maybe some where in between the two.

ok, I am a old fart, and a old timer too.
I don't like changes, but the world is constantly changing and I can't do anything about that, so I try to go along with the crowd.

I enjoy talking to other hams on the radio, thats what I do, I could care less what class liceness they have or how they got it.
it really don't matter to me.

I work mostly cw in the novice band on 40, or sometimes phone in the extra band.

a lot of 2 meter ssb and some local repeaters.
starting to play with qrp stuff.

I am retired and have nothing better to do than play on my work bench building stuff and learning pic assembly programming and pic controllers.

it would be enjoyable to talk to you on the air some day.
as with anyone else on qrz.

[wd0ct]

You guys really need to quit this obsessing.

If someone won't talk with you because of an upgrade date you wouldn't want to hear what they had to say anyway.

Learn code or don't learn code. It makes not one bit of difference to anyone with a few functioning brain cells.

[KI4PEQ]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Jan. 29 2007,01:01)]Quote[/b] (KB1OBH @ Jan. 28 2007,22:40)]if when you run me through QRZ and my upgrade shows after 2/23/07 are you going to be less inclined to QSO or think less of me as an operator. #Be honest, I can handle it.
OK then. #Here is how we see it. #The No Code ham is on the left, and the CW Op is on the right.

http://www.davemcgraw.com/Images/nctvsmorse.jpg

Other than that, you will be welcomed and respected on the bands. # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
So, you are saying that those who possess the CW skills of an amateur god are also steroid abusers? Interesting... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[n6hcm]

Quote[/b] (KB1OBH @ Jan. 28 2007,23:40)]I am very interested in CW and am doing well learning, and I got into the hobby because of the technical aspect. My concern is that it appears I may not be welcomed on HF.
anyone who matters won't care. you'll do slow cw and the people who are inclined to help will help.

[N8CPA]

Real hams won't give you any trouble on air. You'll do fine. Even if you don't make General before the date, get onto 40M and try computer assisted CW with your new Tech privileges.

[ab9lz]

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Jan. 29 2007,03:01)]Real hams won't give you any trouble on air. You'll do fine. Even if you don't make General before the date, get onto 40M and try computer assisted CW with your new Tech privileges.
To heck with the computer, grab a straight key and give it a whirl.

Fumbling through your first HF qso using morse code has been a ham rite of passage since day one, nobody on the air is going to care if you passed a test or not.

Besides, everyone knows that pumping brass will make you look like the guy on the right.

73 Mark.

[PE1RDW]

Quote[/b] (ab9lz @ Jan. 29 2007,12:19)]Besides, everyone knows that pumping brass will make you look like the guy on the right.
Damn my key must be broken, it moves so light it takes more then 100 years of back to back CW contesting to look like that. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

(Before you get your hopes up, I use a CW key as a PTT for the local FM nets)

[ky5u]

On the air, I talk to any amateur who calls me or answers my CQ. The only time I would look someone up like you suggest is if they were being a real butthead on the air. So don't be a butthead. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[WS2L]

I wouldn't worry about it at all, as long as you follow the rules & regs no one will give you any trouble. Just remember that all ham's no matter how long they are licensed is that there was a day when we all made our very first QSO.

[N2RJ]

Talk to DX hams, they probably won't care.

That's the reason many NCT's are jumping for joy that they get freebie HF - they can now work DX on HF.

[WA9SVD]

Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Jan. 29 2007,07:49)]Talk to DX hams, they probably won't care.

That's the reason many NCT's are jumping for joy that they get freebie HF - they can now work DX on HF.
Don't give the wrong impression.

NCT's can't (or won't be able to) just hop onto just ANY HF band. They WILL have phone privileges on 28.300-28.500 MHz, and the Novice CW frequencies. But they will have to WORK for DX, just like the rest of us, until the Solar Cycle picks up again.

(A good reason for Techs to upgrade to General, at least; then they WILL have access to [at least big portions] of ALL the HF bands. Legally.)

[n1ydx]

Personally guy, I could care less. That's not in the negative way. I work mostly CW so if you're slow, I'll work you regardless. When I do work SSB I don't check vitals either. The operator speaks for themself, I don't have to look anything up.

Welcome and have fun

N1YDX - Lee

[WA2ZDY]

Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ Jan. 29 2007,11:20)]They WILL have phone privileges on 28.300-28.500 MHz, and the Novice CW frequencies. #But they will have to WORK for DX, just like the rest of us, until the Solar Cycle picks up again.
Novices and Tech pluses have General CW privileges on 80, 40, 15 and 10 as will NC Techs after 23 Feb.

It's a shame there will be little interest in this. 100w and a dipole will work DX on 40CW EVERY night of the year and on 80 most winter nights.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 29 2007,00:39)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Jan. 29 2007,01:01)]Quote[/b] (KB1OBH @ Jan. 28 2007,22:40)]if when you run me through QRZ and my upgrade shows after 2/23/07 are you going to be less inclined to QSO or think less of me as an operator. Be honest, I can handle it.
OK then. Here is how we see it. The No Code ham is on the left, and the CW Op is on the right.

http://www.davemcgraw.com/Images/nctvsmorse.jpg

Other than that, you will be welcomed and respected on the bands. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
So, you are saying that those who possess the CW skills of an amateur god are also steroid abusers? Interesting... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Well not really, but some sort of a tragic mistake or shortage occurred when you were in the humor line.

[k8pg]

Hello John:

# # # # Welcome to HF,dont worry about your speed just get on the air and have fun we have all been there and done the 1st QSO jitter,Iam a so called OT and 99% cw opr but that wont stop me from helping new amateur or a contact with you because your a slow cw opr Ill just QRS for you and we will have conversation,Take Heart
and Enjoy The King Of all Hobbies hope to wk u sn-73
GL/DX
DE K8PG Paul cw lives http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[W5HTW]

It's about attitude. JEM said it pretty well. A few others have, too.

Here's where I draw the line. If I remember a call sign as one of the ones whining and moaning on QRZ or other internet forums, I have to admit I am probably going to go the other direction. But that's really pretty much a minority. I think any one of us could name quickly about five such call signs belonging to the true whiners, and the rest would be simply those who were discussing the issues.

Your upgrade date is not going to mean squat to me. What matters is whether or not I have you on my mental list of long-term whiners. You aren't, and probably 98 percent of the folks here on QRZ are not on that list.

It is also about attitude once you are on the air. We can all tell stories of people on two meters who were reminded of operating courtesy or protocols by an old timer and responded with a "up yours" approach. They go into my memory bank!

The ones who are willing to learn, are willing to do it the "ham" way, not the CB way, who are willing to be courteous, and to learn, will not draw my ire, and I am betting they won't draw the ire of most old timers.

The way I see it, there are very few hams, relatively speaking, who took a part if the so called dumbing down of amateur radio. Most of that dumbing down is simply because amateur radio is just another victim of society, not of specific individuals. It is the life we have chosen.

I don't plan to take it out on anyone. So don't let your upgrade date be a problem. Not to you, not to anyone. Let your attitude be the decision maker.

Ed

[N8CPA]

Quote[/b] (ab9lz @ Jan. 29 2007,06:19)]Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Jan. 29 2007,03:01)]Real hams won't give you any trouble on air. #You'll do fine. #Even if you don't make General before the date, get onto 40M and try computer assisted CW with your new Tech privileges.
To heck with the computer, grab a straight key and give it a whirl.

Fumbling through your first HF qso using morse code has been a ham rite of passage since day one, nobody on the air is going to care if you passed a test or not.

Besides, everyone knows that pumping brass will make you look like the guy on the right.

73 Mark.
Of course, the straight key would be the ideal scenario for a first HF contact, but if he doesn't know code by that time, he can still use the computer for training wheels.

Of course, we should also warn that too much reliance on a monitor for reading CW will make you go blind. #And too much keyboard to send Morse will make your palms hairy.

#http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[KB1OBH]

First off the pic from al2i is funny, but I wish he'd ask before he used me for that pic on the right. #I started the thread after getting depressed while reading all the posts on the news forum following the ARRL letter post. #Now I feel better, If you need me I'll be practicing my CW and reading my General study guide. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif. #On a side note I will be starting my HF life in CW because a Ham friend is letting me have a code rig for a price that is hard to refuse, so I will be hanging out on the 10M Novice code band as soon as I can (after 2/23 of course).
John

[K3UD]

It will be interesting to see what happens. I sometimes hang out in the old Novice CW bands and have some nice QSO's there. These are slow code areas and it can be as slow as you want. I will gear it down to any speed. I hope to see some of the new General and Extra class and the Technicians with HF at least try the code and hope to work them when they show up. I will also be looking for phone contacts from the same groups on 10 meters.

When the code test was dropped to 5WPM I did not see any animosity on the bands aimed at those who took a slower speed than was in effect prior to the rule change. I never heard anyone being critical of those who just took a 5WPM test.

On the other hand, When the NCT was introduced in 1991 there was enough animosity towards them that QST ran some articles and at least 2 editorials about how hams need to welcome the newcomers help them along. They were not welcome by some people on many 2 meter repeaters and it was a bad time for a while. Eventually this subsided but I think it caused a number of NCTs to say the heck with it and go inactive.

I understand that there are some plans for 'band warming parties' aimed at getting everyone together on various frequency segments. I wish the ARRL would sanction something like this but time is getting a bit short.

So who really knows what will happen. I will be in the slow code areas of the bands and on 10 meter phone.

I hope to work a lot of you.

73
George
K3UD

[w7act]

KB1OBH

Don't be afraid of whether you will be accepted on HF or not. I hold a Tech License like yourself and have passed the Element III requirement earlier this month so becoming a NCG is a done deal after 2/23.

Yes it is discouraging to listen to some of the posts you read by some of the individuals on both sides of the issue in these forums, but it is also gratifying to get out into your local ham community and have your peers walk up to you and congratulate you on the passing of your written test and having them say to you they are looking forward to talking to you on the bands code or no code.

I had a couple of local VE 's approach me last weekend and congratulate me and welcome me to HF Bands and told me not to worry that they were trying to set up a VE Session for the 2/23 or 2/24 so that I could get the paperwork in order for the General upgrade and so that others can be tested for the upgrade.

So don't be discouraged by the naysayers on these Forums as they are not the norm. Look at it this way they don't represent ham radio and they are the ones doing the greatest harm to the Armature Radio Service through their actions and comments.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (K3UD @ Jan. 29 2007,10:16)]So who really knows what will happen. I will be in the slow code areas of the bands and on 10 meter phone.

I hope to work a lot of you.
I was hoping my daughter could get more DX QSOs going in the old tech+ CW areas of the bands, so if the newcomers show up there, that would be great!

[n0nwo]

Quote[/b] (KB1OBH @ Jan. 29 2007,00:40)]Hello all.
I have held off getting into this type of discussion because I don’t yet feel I have enough experience to have valid opinions on major issues, so I will pose a question instead. #I am a NCT and I hoped to upgrade before the rule change, but that is not going to happen, so now I am concerned. #I am very interested in CW and am doing well learning, and I got into the hobby because of the technical aspect. #My concern is that it appears I may not be welcomed on HF. #I don’t want to run anybody out, I WANT to talk to the more experienced operators. #So my question is this; #if when you run me through QRZ and my upgrade shows after 2/23/07 are you going to be less inclined to QSO or think less of me as an operator. #Be honest, I can handle it.
Some will give you crap but most of us will welcome you with open arms, a kiss on the cheek, or a kiss on the mouth if you prefer (with or without toung, your choice).

Don't be afraid to ask questions on the air, and at first, spend a bit of time listening. Hope to see ya around the dial.

Minton

[ac3p]

I will talk to anyone with a valid license in the bands they are licensed for.

I don't look up calls on QRZ until after the QSO is complete and that is only for the address to go on the QSL card.

[KI4NNL]

Its sad when the flame war threads stay at the top, but the thread about working together for the hobby is dropping off the recent thread pages like a rock, and many of the posts were attempts to bring the thread war into this thread too.

I am convinced of one thing though, this forum sure is filled with childish people who do nothing but strengthen the ham radio stereotype of young nerds with no social skills, or grumpy old men with no social skills.

The debate rages on while the issue is dead, please please get on with your lives! This is such a pathetic display of immature attitudes that its no wonder that ham radio is such a small fraction of the population. Are you guys this way about every decision? How in the world do you manage to move on in real life when something good/bad happens. Do you spend weeks or months whining or gloating because something happened? I hope not, but if you do, I feel sorry for those around you. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

The attitude shown on both sides of this debate show a lack of ability to deal with things in such a way as to put your hobby/avocation/service into perspective. Your all getting hung up on one decision by some government agency and letting that dictate your ability to enjoy a hobby, its really sad.

Sorry I haven't posted much lately, but for the most part this board has become nothing but a childish, and rather pathetic, flame fest. If I wanted to take part in this sort of thing I would go to some of the nerdy star trek boards and argue about klingons vs. romulans or some such. Or argue some politics, or heck, just start yelling at a brick wall (about as useful). You folks persist in yelling at the glacier telling it to stop or to hurry up. Pointless no matter what your telling it to do.

Have fun with your turf war folks, there is a lot about radio to learn and if I were you, I wouldn't spend too much wasted time here if you want to enjoy it.

[wb7dmx]

I must agree with you.
all this crap is making qrz a very
boreing place to come to and look for help on anything.

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ Jan. 30 2007,07:33)]I must agree with you.
all this crap is making qrz a very
boreing place to come to and look for help on anything.
Why would anyone look in "Talk and Opinions" for help?

Perhaps this is the cause of the problem you're having ...

Might I suggest:

Quote[/b] ]"Questions and Answers"
Ask 1000's of hams your question...
Found under "Open Forums". #It currently has 21,390 topic listed.

[NN4RH]

Quote[/b] ]"Gooble gobble, gooble gobble, we accept you, we accept you, one of us, one of us!"

[wb7dmx]

Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Jan. 30 2007,05:35)]Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ Jan. 30 2007,07:33)]I must agree with you.
all this crap is making qrz a very
boreing place to come to and look for help on anything.
Why would anyone look in "Talk and Opinions" for help?

Perhaps this is the cause of the problem you're having ...

Might I suggest:

Quote[/b] ]"Questions and Answers"
Ask 1000's of hams your question...
Found under "Open Forums". #It currently has 21,390 topic listed.
I did not state any forum at all.
this entire web sight is starting to look like ?
never mind.

[KI4NNL]

This all has led me to wonder if this is even a ham radio forum anymore. #I did a quick and dirty post count total of the thread showing up in my new posts listing. These are total posts in the thread, so it shows the postings on a subject currently being posted too.

710 non radio (mostly political posts) #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #
450 code/no code debate posts #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
90 technical or practical radio posts ( that included some of the for sale posts, so thats really sad.)

OK, talk and opinion and ragchew don't have to be radio, but thats a pretty telling set of numbers.
Also I left out the posts in word association game, that would throw it even worse. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I am guilty too, maybe its time to actually talk about ham radio on the ham radio forum??

[AG3Y]

I've got a good suggestion for everyone. #Instead of complaining about how the web site looks, how about posting some positive and uplifting information about ham radio !

Who did you work that you really enjoyed? #Who should we be looking for on the bands and in the forums that will really give a positive contribution to ham radio? #What interesting gadget or project did you find or are you working on that others might be interested in too ?

I just greatly improved an old Ham-Key iambic keyer by judiciously filing away some excess plastic and lubricating some bearings. #Interested in doing the same? #

Something like that, instead of carping away endlessly about the code/nocode situation would do so much more for ham radio!

Think about it! # This forum only reflects the attitudes of those who contribute to it.


Hey! I just saw a French station on SSTV !

73, Jim

[KB1OBH]

Oh boy, I see my thread is starting to shift. #Oh well. #I am glad to hear that for the most part my fears were unjustified. #I have had some great local support from far more experienced hams than I pulling me toward HF K1BNH, N1WBD and my first QSL card from K1JEK. #I am glad to know that there are many more out there. #For those of you who insist on using the Quote button as a WMD than have fun. #But I am working on a master's degree and with 5 years of college and about 3000 pages of essays and papers behind me I still mispell and write stuff that comes out wrong, so nit picking details of others posts accomplishes very little. #As far as the quality of QRZ and it's forums, if you come up with a better one let me know, but I think these guys do great. #Anyway, off the soap box and into class. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[KI4NNL]

I like the forum, so don't mistake me on that. #Its just sad that it sometimes becomes rather obsessed with certain issues. The forum though itself I have no issues with.

Sorry to contribute to the hijacking of the thread.

[KI4PEQ]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Jan. 29 2007,11:06)]Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 29 2007,00:39)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Jan. 29 2007,01:01)]Quote[/b] (KB1OBH @ Jan. 28 2007,22:40)]if when you run me through QRZ and my upgrade shows after 2/23/07 are you going to be less inclined to QSO or think less of me as an operator. #Be honest, I can handle it.
OK then. #Here is how we see it. #The No Code ham is on the left, and the CW Op is on the right.

http://www.davemcgraw.com/Images/nctvsmorse.jpg

Other than that, you will be welcomed and respected on the bands. # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
So, you are saying that those who possess the CW skills of an amateur god are also steroid abusers? Interesting... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Well not really, but some sort of a tragic mistake or shortage occurred when you were in the humor line.
Right back at ya...in spades!

[KI4PEQ]

Quote[/b] (KI4NNL @ Jan. 30 2007,09:46)]This all has led me to wonder if this is even a ham radio forum anymore. #I did a quick and dirty post count total of the thread showing up in my new posts listing. These are total posts in the thread, so it shows the postings on a subject currently being posted too.

710 non radio (mostly political posts) #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #
450 code/no code debate posts #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
90 technical or practical radio posts ( that included some of the for sale posts, so thats really sad.)

OK, talk and opinion and ragchew don't have to be radio, but thats a pretty telling set of numbers.
Also I left out the posts in word association game, that would throw it even worse. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I am guilty too, maybe its time to actually talk about ham radio on the ham radio forum??
You forgot the Interactive Story posts! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif As for all insults all the time, the hard core fanatics that post such missives have so little else left, why deprive them of one of the few pleasures they enjoy. Real amateurs are on the radio, not on the internet forums hurling insults at those new to the service or those who do not share their view on what amateur radio operators should be.

[w5acv]

Welcome to HF! I am a 13wpm General. Times change, as does the law. I think of you as another ham, fellow human being, friend. No problems here.

[W0LC]

Quote[/b] (KB1OBH @ Jan. 28 2007,23:40)]Hello all.
I have held off getting into this type of discussion because I don’t yet feel I have enough experience to have valid opinions on major issues, so I will pose a question instead. #I am a NCT and I hoped to upgrade before the rule change, but that is not going to happen, so now I am concerned. #I am very interested in CW and am doing well learning, and I got into the hobby because of the technical aspect. #My concern is that it appears I may not be welcomed on HF. #I don’t want to run anybody out, I WANT to talk to the more experienced operators. #So my question is this; #if when you run me through QRZ and my upgrade shows after 2/23/07 are you going to be less inclined to QSO or think less of me as an operator. #Be honest, I can handle it.
How is anyone going to know if you were an NCT or not? I think you have been listening to too many of the NCT whiners that have been posting on here about that issue. Most ops don't care what class you are when you are on the air, as long as you operate correctly. If you use CB jargon, I am sure many will avoid you. If you act like an ass like some do on here in their postings, then you will have a following of a sort you probably don't want.

I wouldn't put much into the fact you were once an NCT and then get instantly upgraded by the FCC. Only they know what class license you were prior and no one unless they are the oddball, will bother to look up the history.

Some of the whiners on here will probably take their sick attitudes onto HF eventually, and they will complain when others QRM them because of their mouthing. There are individuals that don't care for it and will more then likely QRM them. I avoid those crowds and I recommend you do the same.

Bad apples we have in the ranks from Novice to Extra. Passing a CW test was never a filter for that. Good behavior and manners is what is needed.

Don't be in a "fog" about upgrading. Just operate legally and properly and no one will care or know the difference.

[K3VR]

No one will care as long as you learn and respect the traditions and don't act like a know-it-all if you're really wet behind the ears.

1. Don't talk over the DX
2. Maintain 3kHz spacing
3. Don't ragchew in the window
4. Pay attention to the edges of your privileges
5. Throw away the D-104 and Roger Beep if you have one
6. The correct term is 73
7. Etc.

Listen more than you talk at first. Don't go to 80 meters and think ham radio is supposed to be that way. Don't listen to 14.275 for at least a year. Remembering those things will help.

[W0LC]

Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ Jan. 30 2007,05:47)]Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Jan. 30 2007,05:35)]Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ Jan. 30 2007,07:33)]I must agree with you.
all this crap is making qrz a very
boreing place to come to and look for help on anything.
Why would anyone look in "Talk and Opinions" for help?

Perhaps this is the cause of the problem you're having ...

Might I suggest:

Quote[/b] ]"Questions and Answers"
Ask 1000's of hams your question...
Found under "Open Forums". #It currently has 21,390 topic listed.
I did not state any forum at all.
this entire web sight is starting to look like ?
never mind.
Then why click on www.qrz.com?

[kn4ds]

Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ Jan. 30 2007,10:46)]Hey! I just saw a French station on SSTV !
Now that's cool.

I wanted to ask you for your opinion on the best way to get started with SSTV. There being so little activity here on VHF/UHF other than FM phone, there's not a lot of opportunity to try the mode.

I'd like to, and with the upgrade opportunity coming up, I'll have the chance to, do some SSTV.

Is there a website that you like that contains more than just a list of programs? I'm interested more in the operating procedures, etc, than which program is best... I can find those easily enough and decide for myself which program I like best.

[k6jpd]

Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ Feb. 02 2007,07:40)]Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ Jan. 30 2007,10:46)]Hey! #I just saw a French station on SSTV !
Now that's cool.

I wanted to ask you for your opinion on the best way to get started with SSTV. #There being so little activity here on VHF/UHF other than FM phone, there's not a lot of opportunity to try the mode.

I'd like to, and with the upgrade opportunity coming up, I'll have the chance to, do some SSTV. #

Is there a website that you like that contains more than just a list of programs? #I'm interested more in the operating procedures, etc, than which program is best... I can find those easily enough and decide for myself which program I like best.
heres a good place to start: http://mmhamsoft.amateur-radio.ca/mmsstv/primer.htm

i recommend the "micky mouse" program (mmsstv) good, basic program and the price is right too. enjoy

[K0HWY]

Quote[/b] (KB1OBH @ Jan. 29 2007,01:40)]So my question is this; #if when you run me through QRZ and my upgrade shows after 2/23/07 are you going to be less inclined to QSO or think less of me as an operator. #Be honest, I can handle it.
No.

You seem to have a positive attitude and that's what's going to win your respect. You're not whining about what you have to do to get your ticket. You're not jumping up and down like a prarie fairy proclaiming no code victory. You ARE exhibiting a desire to be respected and fit in. You'll have little if any problems with your concern. Good luck, and hope to catch you on the air sometime.

[kf4vgx]

Good luck to you my young friend http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif .

Find the things you enjoy in this hobby,
friendship is sure to follow.

Be strong and proud.
Ignore the negativities.


You'll be just fine !

with respect , KF4VGX

[KE5FRF]

My bottom line. I welcome everyone. I'm not an OT, but I really take pride in this hobby. I think the magic of radio is just as fun today as it was 50 years ago...in some ways more so because so many people have forgotten about it. Being a ham is still a unique and prideful thing to be. If you do as Ed says, and strive to become a "ham" rather than striving to change amateur radio into something it isn't, you'll be accepted. This doesn't mean you can't try new and untraditional things, it just means you have to respect the old traditions as well. I think it is an honorable thing for any new ham to learn CW, even if there is no regulation mandating it. By learning CW, you become a ham in the traditional sense. That's just the way it is.

I look forward to talking to you some day...but don't bother looking for me on the phone bands. Don't take this wrong, but there isn't much excitement for me in blathering into a microphone. Maybe that will change sometime, but I doubt it.

[kn4ds]

Quote[/b] (k6jpd @ Feb. 02 2007,10:45)]heres a good place to start: http://mmhamsoft.amateur-radio.ca/mmsstv/primer.htm

i recommend the "micky mouse" program (mmsstv) good, basic program and the price is right too. enjoy
That page was EXCELLENT!

Thank you, exactly what I had in mind.

[kn4ds]

And so I've seen my first SSTV. Can't transmit it yet (legally, or from a hardware stand point), but thanks to K6JPD, I can sure see it.

Thanks again for the help!

[k0cmh]

I wonder how many of these "no code" haters operate some of the newer, digital modes. Maybe my first question in my CW QSOs will be "hve u wrked digital?". If the answer is no, then I won't talk with them.

Of course I will not do this, but it makes about as much sense as those who won't talk with no code upgrades.

My first love is CW, but we have to face facts, CW is only a PART of radio, not all of radio. In fact, CW is an obsolete mode that is truely a HOBBY now. If you don't believe me, just watch a PSK-31 transmission print across the screen when you cannot actually pick it out of the noise with your ears.

Well, If I hear you calling on CW after Feb 23rd, I will answer you, as will tons of others.

[N3WRH]

Well i cannot get into a test till the 25th of Feb so i am a NCT with general CSCE credit good till, also my wife is a NCT and we plan to get on the CW bands that day with our 706 before we upgrade