View Full Version : Hey "No Code Generals" What are you going to run?
k7duv
01-26-2007, 10:34 PM
I am using a Kenwood TS 850SAT into a DBX 286a , DBX 215, DOD d-12 processor and a Nady mic. For a Antenna, I am using a 80meter loop @ 55ft.
w2amr
01-26-2007, 11:33 PM
Quote[/b] (k7duv @ Jan. 26 2007,15:34)]I am using a Kenwood TS 850SAT into a DBX 286a , DBX 215, DOD d-12 processor and a Nady mic. For a Antenna, I am using a 80meter loop @ 55ft.
Golf clap.
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KG4CGC
01-26-2007, 11:50 PM
I'm going to convert and old President/Uniden to cover 80/40!
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w4rot
01-27-2007, 12:01 AM
Quote[/b] ]I am using a 80meter loop @ 55ft.
You'll like that..mine is a delta fed with 95ohm...sweet.
lovealoop,NC
rot
KI4PEQ
01-27-2007, 02:03 AM
I'm going to run the same Yaesu FT-100D I've had since I first got my ticket. Running a random wire for HF, along with an MFJ-1775 mini dipole on a rotator for 40, 20, 10, 2, and 70cm. Still have my Tran vertical 2 meter omni for working the local repeater. I'm going to try my hand at homebrewing some other band specific antennas this year as time permits.
What, you were expecting a CB rig with a linear and a beeper mic? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
K9STH
01-27-2007, 04:21 AM
Topic moved to the more appropriate forum.
Glen, K9STH
One of the QRZ.com moderators
kn4ds
01-27-2007, 04:22 AM
I'll run a Yaesu FT-101EE into an MFJ-948 tuner that has a 40m half-wave dipole attached.
kc4ylv
01-27-2007, 04:46 AM
8 rack spaces of Behringer odds and ends into an IC-735, haha.
My FM simplex audio is GLORIOUS. Hopefully the 735 won't let me down.
(not a NCG but thought i'd throw in)
kn4ds
01-27-2007, 04:51 AM
Quote[/b] (kc4ylv @ Jan. 26 2007,23:46)]8 rack spaces of Behringer odds and ends into an IC-735, haha.
My FM simplex audio is GLORIOUS. Hopefully the 735 won't let me down.
(not a NCG but thought i'd throw in)
If you're not running an Optimod, you ain't... umm.. you just ain't doin' it right.
Or at least an Aphex Compellor.
N3ATS
01-27-2007, 05:44 AM
The following post is made in jest only and is not to be taken seriously. Reader discretion is advised. Any relation to actually people, dead or alive, is purely coincidental....
My HAM radio setup.
Galaxy 99 "10 meter" radio. R249 and TR32 removed. All knobs to the right. Just enough echo to give my audio that full sound. It really does sound good no matter what the hamsters say. My cousin is a real radio tech, and he even has one of those precision screwdriver sets.
I might do that cool NPC/RC mod where I key a 1 watt carrier and swing to 20 watts on AM. It don't mean a thing if you ain't got that swing, aight?
My cousin always says those ozsillascope guys are stupid cause you ain't talking to a ozsillascope you're talkin' to people, and people know how a real radio is supposed to sound.
Astatic 575-M6 power mic, run just under full open with the tone control at full high end. Somebody said that they will work like one of those Bearinjer thingys if you change out one of the capacitors with a varistor. Of course Jimmy has one of those Workman mics with the 5 tone roger beep in it, and he likes it. This way when there is a skip pileup everyone will know who I am cause of my beep-boop-BEEP-BOOP-beep....
This will drive a DaveMade class C "4-pill" (4 x 2SC2879) pushing 600 BiRD watts. Gotta love da' Gold! It's a DaveMade world! You guys should come down to CB channel 6 if'n you want to hear a real radio.
My antenna is gonna be either a Monkey Made or one of those Starguns. You know those Starguns are really a mobile beam! If'n I get my birthday check from Gramma, I might co faze two of those Money Mades. All you need is a "T" off the back of you radio. Duh!
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I am running an HTX-202 on a Radio Shack 3 amp power supply and feeding a 1/4 wave home brew vertical. I have just received the mods to make it 100W HF/6m/2m/440/220 all mode and will be working on that tomorrow. Oh, I also have a Sprint cell phone and a Sony cordless phone in the house and run XM when I am mobile.
kn4ds
01-27-2007, 05:49 AM
Quote[/b] (ku4my @ Jan. 27 2007,00:46)]I am running an HTX-202 on a Radio Shack 3 amp power supply and feeding a 1/4 wave home brew vertical. I have just received the mods to make it 100W HF/6m/2m/440/220 all mode and will be working on that tomorrow. Oh, I also have a Sprint cell phone and a Sony cordless phone in the house and run XM when I am mobile.
Which just shows what you know... real hams run Sirius mobile.
I agree with Sprint for cell... that's what real hams use.
Please forward the mods to blow up the finals in the 202... er.. I mean... to make it do 100w on HF.
kn4ds
01-27-2007, 05:54 AM
Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Jan. 27 2007,00:44)]The following post is made in jest only and is not to be taken seriously. Reader discretion is advised. Any relation to actually people, dead or alive, is purely coincidental....
My HAM radio setup.
Galaxy 99 "10 meter" radio. R249 and TR32 removed. All knobs to the right. Just enough echo to give my audio that full sound. It really does sound good no matter what the hamsters say. My cousin is a real radio tech, and he even has one of those precision screwdriver sets.
I might do that cool NPC/RC mod where I key a 1 watt carrier and swing to 20 watts on AM. It don't mean a thing if you ain't got that swing, aight?
My cousin always says those ozsillascope guys are stupid cause you ain't talking to a ozsillascope you're talkin' to people, and people know how a real radio is supposed to sound.
Astatic 575-M6 power mic, run just under full open with the tone control at full high end. Somebody said that they will work like one of those Bearinjer thingys if you change out one of the capacitors with a varistor. Of course Jimmy has one of those Workman mics with the 5 tone roger beep in it, and he likes it. This way when there is a skip pileup everyone will know who I am cause of my beep-boop-BEEP-BOOP-beep....
This will drive a DaveMade class C "4-pill" (4 x 2SC2879) pushing 600 BiRD watts. Gotta love da' Gold! It's a DaveMade world! You guys should come down to CB channel 6 if'n you want to hear a real radio.
My antenna is gonna be either a Monkey Made or one of those Starguns. You know those Starguns are really a mobile beam! If'n I get my birthday check from Gramma, I might co faze two of those Money Mades. All you need is a "T" off the back of you radio. Duh!
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You don't know anything... keep trying.
Everybody that's actually knowledgeable about this stuff knows that the roger beep has to sound like NASA in 1969.
And everybody knows that bird watts are just hooey... you have to have a real wattmeter from the fine folks at Radios R Us.
I feel sorry for ya, man, with your underpowered lin-ee-yer and inadequate metering.
Get with the program!
n9zxk
01-27-2007, 05:55 AM
I will be using a few of my older radios. They are a Yaesu Ft 101E, a Yeasu FT 102 and a Yeasu FT 767. I also have a mfj 969c ant tuner so i can tune my Mosley TA 33m tri bander. I also have a few more toys to work with. Like a heath kit sb 200 that has been all rebuilt. Im not going to use it much if at all. I do need a good wire ant. I dont have much room for a long one. Not to sure what i am going to do yet. Anyone have any ideals....
Quote[/b] (n9zxk @ Jan. 25 2007,23:55)]I will be using a few of my older radios. They are a Yaesu Ft 101E, a Yeasu FT 102 and a Yeasu FT 767. I also have a mfj 969c ant tuner so i can tune my Mosley TA 33m tri bander. I also have a few more toys to work with. Like a heath kit sb 200 that has been all rebuilt. Im not going to use it much if at all. #I do need a good wire ant. I dont have much room for a long one. Not to sure what i am going to do yet. Anyone have any ideals....
Yep, I do. Have fun! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
KB9YFI
01-27-2007, 11:14 AM
Quote[/b] (ku4my @ Jan. 27 2007,00:46)]I am running an HTX-202 on a Radio Shack 3 amp power supply and feeding a 1/4 wave home brew vertical. I have just received the mods to make it 100W HF/6m/2m/440/220 all mode and will be working on that tomorrow.
Oh, that mod is nothing -just a keypad combo at power-up. Don't tell anyone.
KG4RUL
01-27-2007, 12:14 PM
Mobile:
FT-100D
Comet GP-5 for VHF/UHF
Lil Tarheel II with simple turns counter for HF/6M
Base:
TS-2000X
MixW RigExpert for Digital Modes
Force 12 Flagpole Antenna
RadioWavz G5RV Lite
M2 2M Eggbeater w/Radial Kit
M2 70CM Eggbeater w/Radial Kit
MFJ 6M 3 Elem Beam on Alliance UT-100 Rotator
M2 23CM Yagi - Pair phased for RHCP
Barbeque Dish 2.4Ghz
M2 6M Horiz Loop
My XYL thinks that - when she passes the General - she has 'license' (so to speak) to commandeer my 7-lines.
Which ignores the fact that she has her own complete FT901DM setup ...
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N5FOG
01-27-2007, 12:34 PM
Radio setup here at the house is a Kenwood TS-570, an Ameritron AL-82 and a Hustler 5-BTV mounted on my boat dock that extends about 15' out into saltwater. The mobile is a Icom-706MIIG with a AH-4 auto tuner and a 102" whip
Can't wait to see how well that saltwater ground plane makes the 5-BTV perform.
Eric KC5FOG
KI4POT
01-27-2007, 02:52 PM
Until I take Element 3, I'm sticking with my VX-7R. After I pass the exam, I'm going to get either a FT-817ND or FT-857D. I'm fascinated by QRP and would operate as much "off the grid" as mobile or fixed. I think it would be a blast to set up a camp station using a modest battery and some solar panels. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif That's much easier with the 817 than 857.
Chris
KA4DPO
01-27-2007, 04:44 PM
I have a FT-101B and 12 pill lineear that I ran on CB an freebanded with a lot. For my antena I will uze a bunch of wire with a balun and a tuner. Sombudy told me I needed a low pass on my lineear but I dont think so it works just fine and puts out a lot of pounds.
I'm mighty surprised no one said they were going to use a G5RV.
While not a NCG or a NCE, I am going to start out at my new home QTH with a dipole for 20 and 40/15 and a loop for 80. Lots of trees on the 6 acre lot so I'll have lots of places to put up the antennas.
Rig is the new 756 ProIII I got for x-mas, and I have a 746 and 7000 for backup. I have a Kenwood TS-440S as a third backup. The other 7000 will go in a second vehicle we'll be purchasing before fall this year.
Tower is going up this year or next, but most likely this year. I've already made sure there's no HOA, and no restrictive CC&R's prohibiting antennas and the like. The attorney made sure of that.
ai4ep
01-27-2007, 04:53 PM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif gee, some of these posts just provided me with some great ideas !! ;)
KA4DPO
01-27-2007, 05:22 PM
PS, I aint gettin no license, I dont need one on CB an I sure as heck dont need one for this stuff. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
kc7jty
01-27-2007, 05:23 PM
my trusty 23 channel Kraco.
w7act
01-27-2007, 06:10 PM
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/W7ACT/BSBAG.jpg
What a bunch of BS kindly place in Bag and dispose the contents.
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N5FOG
01-27-2007, 06:17 PM
Quote[/b] (w7act @ Jan. 26 2007,13:10)]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/W7ACT/BSBAG.jpg
What a bunch of BS kindly place in Bag and dispose the contents.
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Your truly a piece of work, we are having a good discussion about radio gear and you want to be an ass.
REALITY CHECK, you lost, code is dead, get over it. Are we going to have to deal with old timers like you bitching and crying for the next 10 years because you all didn't get your way.
Hopeful Medicare can get you a private nurse to change your diapers since you’re so full of crap.
ERIC KC5FOG
ki4pap
01-27-2007, 06:48 PM
Here's what i am going to run:
My nice Yaesu 301 line. complete with remote vfo, speaker power supply, and the matching antenna tuner. I have a Shure 526t desk mic. I also have an Icom v8000 for my 2 meter base and an Alinco dj-v17 handheld.
Check out the pic and thanks for looking!
k4kyv
01-27-2007, 07:18 PM
Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ Jan. 27 2007,05:54)]And everybody knows that bird watts are just hooey... you have to have a real wattmeter ...
Get a REAL wattmeter. Thermocouple rf ammeter into known resistive load.
Nobody's planning to BUILD anything from stratch?
N5FOG
01-27-2007, 07:44 PM
Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ Jan. 26 2007,14:18)]Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ Jan. 27 2007,05:54)]And everybody knows that bird watts are just hooey... you have to have a real wattmeter ...
Get a REAL wattmeter. Thermocouple rf ammeter into known resistive load.
Nobody's planning to BUILD anything from stratch?
Built from Stratch?? Whats a Stratch ? I've built several repeaters from old mastr IIs and Micors but never built anything out of a "stratch" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Eric KC5FOG
kf6rdn
01-27-2007, 08:08 PM
Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Jan. 27 2007,04:20)]My XYL thinks that - when she passes the General - she has 'license' (so to speak) to commandeer my 7-lines.
Which ignores the fact that she has her own complete FT901DM setup ...
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She DOES have a license for that.
I think it's called a MARRIAGE license!! HAhaha!
RIP
heh
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W5HTW
01-28-2007, 12:59 AM
Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ Jan. 27 2007,11:17)]Are we going to have to deal with old timers like you bitching and crying for the next 10 years because you all didn't get your way.
Why not? We had to listen for 16 years to the newbies griping and moaning they "couldn't" learn even basic code. "Change it for me so I can play, too!"
Yep, it's your turn to listen!! Gotcha ears on?
Ed
W0JBC
01-28-2007, 02:35 AM
I agree with Ed ....
Since everthing is a " free" for all , on AIR practices will tell if you really " pass " ..
There will be many reality checks like really quick ...
We all will witness this new transition ....
Whether for good or bad ....
A word to the wise though, leave your bad ATTITUDES outta the mix ....
You will see ....
I've been a ham for a while ... Many times if a group you wish to get into a conversation , if you break in without anything to add, you WILL be ignored ( rejected ).....
Better tighten up your belts ....
They don't owe you anything ... Ya better be CIVIL ...... Samefully, some 20 and 75 meter frequencies excluded ....
JB ....
WCA
GL
k7duv
01-28-2007, 05:14 AM
I home brew most all of my antennas, my tuner is home brew, and I built my tower. I do however use a "store bought" radio, and power supply, mic, processors and coax. I have kept my amplifiers running through out the years and rebuilt power supply's ect. Never built an amp from the ground up but you never know...maybe someday. I have just as much fun building and experimenting as I do anything else. I love the art of radio.. There are a few folks that around that have lost the art , tooo bad. I feel sorry for the old (and young) prunes, they have truly lost the Art of radio..and don't even realize it.
73s
N5FOG
01-28-2007, 05:44 AM
Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Jan. 26 2007,19:59)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ Jan. 27 2007,11:17)]Are we going to have to deal with old timers like you bitching and crying for the next 10 years because you all didn't get your way.
Why not? We had to listen for 16 years to the newbies griping and moaning they "couldn't" learn even basic code. "Change it for me so I can play, too!"
Yep, it's your turn to listen!! Gotcha ears on?
Ed
Ed there is a word for people like you its "hypocrite".
The reason I say this is because the whole time the code debate was going on, people like you have been saying the no-coders are acting like spoiled little children who want things their way and don't care about ham radio.
Well Ed you need to look in the mirror. Since things didn't go your way on the code issue, you’re engaging in the behavior that you and your camp constantly criticized and berated the no-coders for? Your actions have proved it’s not about the protection of ham radio or lowering of standards or anything noble like that. All its about is getting your way and if you can’t have ham radio the way you want it then your going to try your hardest to destroy it for everyone.
Just look at the actions of you and your fellow OT’s, “lets do away will all testing” or “I would rather see BPL destroy ham radio than to share it with a bunch of no-coders”.
If you had true character and integrity you would just accept the rules change and continue on in ham radio. But your nothing but a sore loser and are going to try to ruin for everyone.
Eric KC5FOG
kd7msc
01-28-2007, 06:27 AM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Jan. 27 2007,15:25)]LOL!
I loved that movie!! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
I had a partner we nick named Farva
kn4ds
01-28-2007, 06:27 AM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Jan. 28 2007,01:25)]LOL!
Y'know, if I was that upset over something, I'd just walk away.
But it's good to see you beating yourself and everybody else up over the whole no-code thing... I admire a man who's so into self-flagellation.
Me, I'd just walk away from anything that pissed me off so badly.
kd7gwd
01-28-2007, 07:10 AM
If I can keep making practice time , I am going to run whichever hand me down radio my father in law gives me for knowing code . He promised me an all mode HF rig if I can pass the test they used to give ( my wife and inlaws are VE's ) . He and I haven't been this civil since I played Eddie Haskill to get his daughter . Nothing in life is greater than family http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Until then , when I do have time , I have been participating in local nets and such ( joined a local club recently too ) on either my :
Icom IC-22S on a homemade antenna at home .An Alinco DR-130 on a cheap whip antenna in my pickup . A Yaesu FT-7800R with a Diamond NMO dual band antenna in my Blazer . Or , on an Alinco DJ-190 with a modified amp in an old Heathkit case through a cut down old utility company magnet mount in my wifes Impala .
W0JBC
01-28-2007, 08:09 AM
Good luck Dave ...
Attitude and all ...
See you on HF .....
JB
W0JBC
01-28-2007, 08:36 AM
And.....KC5FOG .....
You have No respect for anyone ...
You don't listen, read, or know .....
You will have problems ( or already have problems ) when you dump your trash on HF ..
Ed tells the truth .... I'm telling you the truth ...
Xanax is your best hope ...
I do realize that this is a forum ... You can say whatever you would like ....
Being a jerk ( of course ) is the best way to influence people....
You have my vote ...
JB
N5FOG
01-28-2007, 07:47 PM
Quote[/b] (W0JBC @ Jan. 27 2007,03:36)]And.....KC5FOG .....
You have No respect for anyone ...
You don't listen, read, or know .....
You will have problems ( or already have problems ) when you dump your trash on HF ..
Ed tells the truth .... I'm telling you the truth ...
Xanax is your best hope ...
I do realize that this is a forum ... You can say whatever you would like ....
Being a jerk ( of course ) is the best way to influence people....
You have my vote ...
JB
Actually JB I won't be "taking my trash" to the air waves as so many of the old timers are promising they are going to do.
When I'm on the air I treat everyone with the same respect I wish to be treated with, unless they teat me differently. I don't know about you and your fellow OT's but I look at QRZ as a sounding board for all of us to vent our frustrations so we keep it off the air.
If both sides of this debate truly care about ham radio then we will all agree to keep our "trash" off the air and on QRZ. So if it will keep you from taking this to the airwaves, you’re welcome to call me anything you want.
Eric KC5FOG
Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ Jan. 27 2007,23:27)]Me, I'd just walk away from anything that pissed me off so badly.
Who said I am pi$$ed? For example, your being a butthead on QRZ would not make me angry, but your being a butthead on the air would. I know the poor no coders have a reality identification issue, but QRZ is not Ham Radio.
The test is gone. Now, Mr. No Coder, dazzle us. Show us all that removal of the test was a really good move. And I really hope you succeed.
kc7jty
01-28-2007, 08:21 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Jan. 28 2007,13:03)]The test is gone. #Now, Mr. No Coder, dazzle us. #Show us all that removal of the test was a really good move. #And I really hope you succeed.
are you kidding!!?? We are going to REDEFINE the hobby.
Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 28 2007,13:21)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Jan. 28 2007,13:03)]The test is gone. Now, Mr. No Coder, dazzle us. Show us all that removal of the test was a really good move. And I really hope you succeed.
are you kidding!!?? We are going to REDEFINE the hobby.
ROFLMAO! Like the low-life saying that something is "Bad" really means it is very, very good?
N0NCO
01-28-2007, 08:41 PM
My station(s):
Fixed station (temporary):
Exciter 1: Yaesu FT-897D w/MD-100 mic.
160-10m operation: ~200' horizontal loop @ 25' AGL, fed by an SGC 230 Smartuner mounted @ the antenna feedpoint. Feedline: Belden 9914 coax
LPF: Barker & Williamson FL-10/1500
Power: 100W
VHF/UHF operation: Cubex Kingbee III tri-band quad @ 30' AGL - 4 elements on 6m, 8 elements on 2m & 70cm. Feedline: Andrew 1/2" Heliax feeding a Dow-Key Microwave relay, which feeds the three driven elements via Belden 9913F7 jumpers.
Power:
6m: 100W
2m: ~350W (homebrew tube cavity amp)
70cm: 20W
Exciter 2: Yaesu FT 8800
Antenna: Icom AH-7000 discone
Power: 50W/35W
Mobile 1:
Exciter: Yaesu FT-857D
HF-6m operation:
HF-6m antenna: SGC 237 Smartuner feeding an SGC 303 whip.
Power: 100W
2m/70cm operation:
Antenna: Diamond SG7900NMO
Power:
2m: 170W (RF Concepts 2-317 solid-state "brick")
70cm: 20W
Mobile 2:
Exciter: Yaesu FT-8800
Antenna: Diamond SG7900NMO
Power:
2m: 170W (RF Concepts 2-317 solid-state "brick")
70cm: 35W
73...
Joel - N0NCO
KI4MHA
01-28-2007, 08:59 PM
Hey AB2MH…. What’s wrong with my G5RV antenna? I’ve worked a lot of stations with it so far on 10, 15, 17, 20, 40, and 80 meters. It’s a Van Gorden, 102’ dipole with 31' feeder of 300 ohm transmission line to a transformer and then coax into the shack.
It was quick and easy to put up, and I was on the air right after I passed the code and General written test….
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Mike
KI4MHA
sorry that was 31' not 31"
wa4brl
01-28-2007, 09:03 PM
What kind of key?
I wonder how many NCT's noticed that as of Feb. 23'd, they'll receive great HF priveleges without even upgrading?
3.525 - 3.600 MHz
7.025 - 7.125 MHz
21.025 - 21.200 MHz
28.100 - 28.300 MHz
CW only.
You don't need to take a General written test. #You don't even need to take the code test. #Just learn the code -- in your own time, for your own reasons -- and you're on HF.
Don't worry about speed. # We'll all slow down as necessary to help you out.
Welcome to HF!
(edited to correct spelling)
Quote[/b] (KI4MHA @ Jan. 28 2007,15:59)]Hey AB2MH…. What’s wrong with my G5RV antenna? I’ve worked a lot of stations with it so far on 10, 15, 17, 20, 40, and 80 meters. It’s a Van Gorden, 102’ dipole with 31' feeder of 300 ohm transmission line to a transformer and then coax into the shack.
It was quick and easy to put up, and I was on the air right after I passed the code and General written test….
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Mike
KI4MHA
sorry that was 31' not 31"
Good for you.
My main beef with a G5RV is that it's a compromise antenna that seems to be worshipped by many for no good reason other than it allows you to be lazy and put up two pieces of wire and a feedline and "make contacts."
If you have the space and ability for something better, you should be putting up something better.
KI4MHA
01-28-2007, 10:28 PM
AB2MH
A G5RV is a compromise antenna? Worshipped by many for no good reason? It allows one to be lazy and put up two pieces of wire and a feedline and "make contacts"?
Maybe you didn't put the one you had up right. You did own one and use it right? I do not think it's the best antenna by far, but I'm not going to put it down, or someone for using one, the way you want to. It's a wire antenna none of them are that "hard" to put up. Some may take a little more time to tune, but that's about it. And "make contacts", that's what it's about, right? Talk to the guy or gal across town, across the state, across the US, and around the world. All with my G5RV. Works for me. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
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KC9JNZ
01-28-2007, 10:28 PM
I'll be using a DX-70T and MFJ-1941E tuner into some homebrew di-poles: powered by golf cart batteries charged from my 45w solar panel. Data modes mostly: MixW/DigiPan for RTTY and BPSK31 on 7.07 and 14.070. I soldered my data rig from a kit (Buxom?). I output the audio into a small Behringer mixer to clean up the tone before audio enters computer.
wb7dmx
01-28-2007, 10:48 PM
anything can work for a antenna,
heck I can remember having several roundtable contacts using a benton harbor lunch-box, a 2'er, and using a simple #51 light bulb for the antenna.
w7act
01-28-2007, 11:36 PM
KC5FOG
Who says I lost. I didn't lose if you will look at the QRZ or FCC Data base you'll find that they both show that I hold a Tech License, but come 2/23 or a date soon after when I can find a VE Session, I'll be one of the new no code generals as all I have to do is present the certificate for Element III to the VE's for submitting the paperwork and I wish to thank you for calling me an old timer as I resemble that remark.
So let's just stuff all the BS into the BS Bag on both sides of the question and get on with life and just enjoy this thing we call Ham Radio. It's not a code/no code thing any more, because of some of the statements made on both sides of the issue I can see the animosity going on on both sides.
For your information as to what I'll be running after Feb 23:
[U]Base
Icom IC-746 w/built in auto tuner through a MFJ-969 Roller Tuner to a G5RV with a 40 mtr Lazy H waiting in the wings
2005 F-150 ExtCab 4x4
Icom IC-7000 w/LDG AT-7000 Auto tuner to either Ham Sicks or Hustler Antenna's
Wife's XL-7
Icom IC-706MKII into either an AH-4 or AT-180 Tuner to matching Antenna as in F-150.
If I am running either a remote or demo station I have the ability to run any of the above radios with either an 88 ft Random wire or a Marconni T(SP) through the AH-4 Tuner.
WA8IHW
01-28-2007, 11:53 PM
Quote[/b] (k7duv @ Jan. 25 2007,16:34)]I am using a Kenwood TS 850SAT into a DBX 286a , DBX 215, DOD d-12 processor and a Nady mic. For a Antenna, I am using a 80meter loop @ 55ft.
The same FT 857 and G5RV ive had for years for SWL, i doubt ill be on anyways dont have the time
w7lpn
01-29-2007, 12:42 AM
FT-857D w/ Z-100 and a 75 meter ham-stick In the Dodge quad-cab 4X4, IC-730, windom wire dipole, or 200 ft long wire and a BIG helium balloon, homebrew Ten-Tec tuner, 300 ohm flat feed line at the shack. The Balloon is without a dought the funnest antenna.
w7lpn
01-29-2007, 12:43 AM
Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ Jan. 28 2007,15:48)]anything can work for a antenna,
heck I can remember having several roundtable contacts using a benton harbor lunch-box, a 2'er, and using a simple #51 light bulb for the antenna.
I had a 1/2" copper tubing horizontal above my metal roof as a gama match. It worked great. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Quote[/b] (KI4MHA @ Jan. 28 2007,17:28)]AB2MH
A G5RV is a compromise antenna? Worshipped by many for no good reason? It allows one to be lazy and put up two pieces of wire and a feedline and "make contacts"?
Maybe you didn't put the one you had up right. You did own one and use it right? I do not think it's the best antenna by far, but I'm not going to put it down, or someone for using one, the way you want to. It's a wire antenna none of them are that "hard" to put up. Some may take a little more time to tune, but that's about it. And "make contacts", that's what it's about, right? Talk to the guy or gal across town, across the state, across the US, and around the world. All with my G5RV. Works for me. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif (just for the fun of it)
I've used one in field day and such.
Rest assured it was set up properly.
I've had much better luck with 1/2 wave dipoles, loops and vertical antennas.
A G5RV is a compromise antenna. To think otherwise would be fooling yourself.
You absolutely need to use the G5RV with a tuner. When using the tuner, where does that extra SWR go? Ask yourself that question and you will see why you really need to think beyond the G5RV.
I'm not making any of this up, btw. The G5RV was my dream antenna at one time. Thankfully I was elmered away from it!
"Making contacts" isn't a measure of efficiency of any antenna. I could put up a wet noodle and "make contacts" that doesn't mean that I'm making the most of the space and materials I have available.
KI4MHA
01-29-2007, 01:33 AM
:rock:
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Mike
AE6IP
01-29-2007, 01:46 AM
Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Jan. 28 2007,16:52)][quote=KI4MHA,Jan. 28 2007,17:28]
A G5RV is a compromise antenna. To think otherwise would be fooling yourself.
All antennas are compromises. G5RV is just more of a compromise than most.
The least compromise multiband antenna would be a MonstIR that you could tilt as well as rotate and vary the height of.
Now that is a wet dream antenna. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
k7duv
01-29-2007, 05:45 AM
I have worked with a few types of wire antennas and found the G5RV was okay. I had worse but hey at that time I had a city lot and had limited space. Now I live on 6 acres with lots of room to play. I just built a loop for 40meters and am using my MFJ 941d Tuner on my Icom 706mkIIg (Flaming pile of crap) in the Bedroom. So far nice little antenna. Now I just have to 86 that junky radio..
BTW... the new 80meter loop for my main station is sweet!
The radio below is advertized on eBay as "Amateur Radio". but the label on the mike says "World's most reliable CB". I have the feeling that this brand radio will be the largest one used by Techs on 10M. Don't forget to shorten your CB antenna or use a tuner when using your Ranger on 10M or you won't get out too far.
WA2ZDY
01-29-2007, 04:33 PM
To those of you who will be on HF, welcome and I'm with YO and HTW: please prove all the naysayers are wrong.
FOG, I hope your attitude on the air is good because that antenna out on the dock is going to work very well. If I had that kind of location I'd just put up as tall a vertical radiator as possible and feed it at the bottom with an autotuner, then run the coax and control cable back to the shack.
MHA, the G5RV is quite a compromise but you're right, it works. You improve it by getting rid of the coax and running the balanced feedline all the way to a tuner in the shack. Feeding a mismatched antenna with coax is always best avoided.
Anyone thinking of a G5RV should know a better antenna is just as little work with fewer materials. And no need to buy it when you can make it much more economically.
Good luck to all.
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Jan. 29 2007,05:13)]The radio below is advertized on eBay as "Amateur Radio". but the label on the mike says "World's most reliable CB". I have the feeling that this brand radio will be the largest one used by Techs on 10M. Don't forget to shorten your CB antenna or use a tuner when using your Ranger on 10M or you won't get out too far.
And please turn the d....d Roger-Beeps, Echoes and other such noise toys OFF.
KD5NCO
01-29-2007, 05:29 PM
Central Texas, 2.5 acres surrounded on three sides by 2 and 3 phase distribution lines over very poor rocky soil
Home brew base loaded 80m vertical and a Hustler BTV5 with extensive DC and RF ground networks (24 buried radials under each vert), AR2b Ringo for 2m and several Quagi variants, 3 home made, coax fed, dipoles up 35'~45' for 160, 80, and 40 meters. We are interested in installing a large scale horizontal loop or a beverage as a receive antenna. #We have a steel 40' tower that is 25 years old and has Over the Air, Sat TV, and WiBand Internet antennas on it. #On the ground waiting for spring erection are 80 feet of Galvanized tower sections my son found on a neighbors ranch that were free for the hauling. #
Station Transceivers are Yaesu FT920 and Icom IC746Pro and Drake TR4. We have an Ameritron AL-572 amp and ATR-30 tuner on the way that my wife ordered for my Xmas gift (interesting that they were ordered early Dec but Ameritron Factory is just building them up this week)
Mobiles are; Yaesu FT100, Kenwood TN-271, and an Icom IC-2800 that WE have a camera jacked into for trailer hitch view (the Icom can display a video source input). We have a solid-state home-brew 300 watt amp for the HF FT100 mobile rig feeding Ham-stick single band Antennas. #The 2M/70Cm rigs are feeding center of roof Comet Brand ground plane verticals. No... We do NOT have a porcupine antenna farm on one vehicle! #We have an F-350 Larger scale RV hauler with the FT100 and the IC2800 and a Nissan Xterra with the Kenwood 2meter rig.
We home brewed the entire sound card and rig control interconnects for the two modern rigs to the computers. #Thanks QRZ and eham for a decent start point for ideas and resources. #Same with the station primary and back up DC power supply system. #
Station and LAN power is 240/120VAC and bank distributed 13.6VDC it 95A capability. The “radio” room houses the family LAN servers, phone, TV distribution, and property surveillance networks and is full of line conditioners and commercial UPSs. #Chasing EMI/RFI/TVI has a special meaning for me. #We designed a bank of 6Vdc deep cycle batteries being recharged by a 60 Amp RV intelligent charger and modest solar array and controller. #Out here in the "sticks" we have power outages ranging from several seconds to several days depending on Ice or Thunder storm severity. #Starting research on wind power and leaning toward home brew as the commercial offerings are more expansive then the break even point of using rural co-op power.
My wife and I have tinkered with this station for the last 7 years while we (my wife is also retired Army) are working 50-60 hours per week working for the Army as DA Civilians supporting all the post 9/11 military effort. #We have been to both of the Theaters of Operations several times as active duty and now civilians. We both intend to be good examples of former Technicians that are neither lazy, dumb, or gimme gimme whiners. #
Special thanks to my friend and Elmer Randy W4LEF who spends an extraordinary amount of time guiding, chiding, and teaching us and helping test and adjust this station.
I can assure all that there are well worn copys of Title 47 CFR parts 15, 24, 95, and 97 right here. #This station or it's control operators should never recieve any notice from an OO or FCC enforcment.
KC8OZJ
01-30-2007, 02:41 AM
Quote[/b] (wa4brl @ Jan. 28 2007,14:03)]What kind of key?
I wonder how many NCT's noticed that as of Feb. 23'd, they'll receive great HF priveleges without even upgrading?
3.525 - 3.600 MHz
7.025 - 7.125 MHz
21.025 - 21.200 MHz
28.100 - 28.300 MHz
CW only.
You don't need to take a General written test. #You don't even need to take the code test. #Just learn the code -- in your own time, for your own reasons -- and you're on HF.
Don't worry about speed. # We'll all slow down as necessary to help you out.
Welcome to HF!
(edited to correct spelling)
As a NCT, I am sure I am dumb at amateur radio, but I thought that I also have SSB privileges on 28.300 to 28.500 on 10 Meters.
UHmmm?
N4CYA
01-30-2007, 04:15 AM
Once I take the test for general license and pass I'll be use'ing my Icom 706mkiig
PE1RDW
01-30-2007, 01:48 PM
Quote[/b] (KC8OZJ @ Jan. 30 2007,04:41)]Quote[/b] (wa4brl @ Jan. 28 2007,14:03)]What kind of key?
I wonder how many NCT's noticed that as of Feb. 23'd, they'll receive great HF priveleges without even upgrading?
3.525 - 3.600 MHz
7.025 - 7.125 MHz
21.025 - 21.200 MHz
28.100 - 28.300 MHz
CW only.
You don't need to take a General written test. #You don't even need to take the code test. #Just learn the code -- in your own time, for your own reasons -- and you're on HF.
Don't worry about speed. # We'll all slow down as necessary to help you out.
Welcome to HF!
(edited to correct spelling)
As a NCT, I am sure I am dumb at amateur radio, but I thought that I also have SSB privileges on 28.300 to 28.500 on 10 Meters.
UHmmm?
You do but the generals and extras want to keep it a secret so you try CW first http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
It's probably an oversight, also remember that on 28.100 to 28.300 you are not limited to just CW, you can do data modes as wel (just stay clear of 28.200, transmitting on beacon bands will result in some fast elmering).
kg6top
01-30-2007, 01:53 PM
I'll be running an IC-7000 with whatever I can build for an antenna
KA4DPO
01-30-2007, 02:05 PM
NCO, a BT5V with a good radial system is an excellent DX antenna. I do know that soil conductivity in your area is lousy but with lots of radials it shouldn't matter. Sounds like you have a nice antenna farm.
For the newly minted folks out there who want to work all bands, one of the best all band antennas for 10 through 80 meters is a 102 ft flat top with 300 or 450 ohm ladder line feed and a balanced tuner.
If you don't have room for 102 feet make it just long enough to fit in the space you have available. It will still work but may not load on some bands. Almost anything can work as an antenna but there are always compromises.
Quote[/b] (KC8OZJ @ Jan. 29 2007,21:41)]Quote[/b] (wa4brl @ Jan. 28 2007,14:03)]What kind of key?
I wonder how many NCT's noticed that as of Feb. 23'd, they'll receive great HF priveleges without even upgrading?
3.525 - 3.600 MHz
7.025 - 7.125 MHz
21.025 - 21.200 MHz
28.100 - 28.300 MHz
CW only.
You don't need to take a General written test. You don't even need to take the code test. Just learn the code -- in your own time, for your own reasons -- and you're on HF.
Don't worry about speed. We'll all slow down as necessary to help you out.
Welcome to HF!
(edited to correct spelling)
As a NCT, I am sure I am dumb at amateur radio, but I thought that I also have SSB privileges on 28.300 to 28.500 on 10 Meters.
UHmmm?
Yes you do, but you have far more CW privileges than you do SSB.
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Jan. 30 2007,07:05)]NCO, a BT5V with a good radial system is an excellent DX antenna.
I've had a 5BTV up for years. Base is ~35ft above ground; 4 radials per band.
Pros:
Works very well. I don't have to run an amplifier very often to break pileups.
Fairly wide bandwidth on 10/15/20
Cons:
No WARC coverage, though I can get a decent match on 12 via tuner
Bandwidth is a little narrow on 75M (or 80M, depending on which resonator you're using)
Is somewhat 'noisy' - being that it's series-fed, the antenna tends to pick up more power-line noise and rain static than, say, my shunt-fed Yagis.
The noise problem could possibly be cured with the addition of a suitable RF choke between the antenna's feedpoint and ground. As far as the WARC bands go - DX Engineering makes an add-on for 17M. I've got enough spare parts to build another, and am planning to construct a 60/30/17/12M version. This calls for a trap re-design; yet another project ...
It's a great antenna, all things considered. Radials are the key to making this one work properly.
kc7jty
01-31-2007, 02:55 AM
I have a TS440SAT & a TS450S but they both only work on the chicken band.
w0wls
01-31-2007, 03:34 AM
I'll be running a Kenwood TS-440SAT with either my MC-60A or one of the many other mics I have. I've got a Shure 55S that I've restored that I'd like to try just for fun. My antennas will consist of a 80m dipole for use on 80 and 40 and I'll be using a loop for 20m. I have a converted Solarcon IMAX 2000 that I will be using when 10m goes active again.
For QRP I've built a Tuna Tin 2 and a Small Wonders Labs Rockmite
KI4PEQ
02-02-2007, 05:26 AM
Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ Jan. 26 2007,22:51)]Quote[/b] (kc4ylv @ Jan. 26 2007,23:46)]8 rack spaces of Behringer odds and ends into an IC-735, haha.
My FM simplex audio is GLORIOUS. Hopefully the 735 won't let me down.
(not a NCG but thought i'd throw in)
If you're not running an Optimod, you ain't... umm.. you just ain't doin' it right.
Or at least an Aphex Compellor.
Someone who has been at a radio station, I see.
I've never really been a fan of overly processed audio. I prefer some dynamic range, not audio that has been pumped and massaged into a compressed blob, just so the station sounds 'louder'.
kn4ds
02-02-2007, 05:32 AM
Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Feb. 02 2007,00:26)]Someone who has been at a radio station, I see.
Umm... a time or two over 18 years in the business...
Quote[/b] ]I've never really been a fan of overly processed audio. I prefer some dynamic range, not audio that has been pumped and massaged into a compressed blob, just so the station sounds 'louder'.
I prefer to maintain the entire dynamic range, but program directors tend to not understand such esoteric distinctions.
KG6WOD
02-02-2007, 05:53 AM
Quote[/b] ]You don't know anything... keep trying.
Everybody that's actually knowledgeable about this stuff knows that the roger beep has to sound like NASA in 1969.
And everybody knows that bird watts are just hooey... you have to have a real wattmeter from the fine folks at Radios R Us.
I feel sorry for ya, man, with your underpowered lin-ee-yer and inadequate metering.
Get with the program!
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Dave, KE4UWL
EM82dm
Apparently you don't understand that he wrote that as a JOKE. Or didn't you read the first sentence?
w5acv
02-02-2007, 05:55 AM
Welcome all you new Generals to the hobby! Hope you have lots of fun and get that rare dx contact. Couple nice stations, sounds like!