ARRL Frequency Chart

[W4XKE]

I tried downloading the new frequency chart from the ARRL web site and got the error, “This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down.” It won’t let my computer access it. I am running Windows 98SE (which I prefer 10:1 over XP) and Acrobat Reader 6.0. The Adobe web page also blocks me from downloading the version 8.0 reader.

When Bill Gates said he was going to stop providing support on ’98, it was understandable that no future updates would be provided. Then I found that he had actually REMOVED all the existing updates too!

I just looked at the option of buying XP Home ($199 + tax) and am actually considering it. Maybe if I could delete the “ALL USERS” and other unwanted directories it would be somewhat useable. (I insist on creating my own directory structure instead of having Bill set me up one of his that starts out 5 folders deep.)

On second thought, I think I’ll keep using my ‘98SE and spend the cash on a new FT-60 and draw out my own frequency chart with a pencil.

[ne3r]

Quote[/b] (W4XKE @ Jan. 25 2007,13:10)]I tried downloading the new frequency chart from the ARRL web site and got the error, “This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down.” #It won’t let my computer access it. #I am running Windows 98SE (which I prefer 10:1 over XP) and Acrobat Reader 6.0. #The Adobe web page also blocks me from downloading the version 8.0 reader.

When Bill Gates said he was going to stop providing support on ’98, it was understandable that no future updates would be provided. #Then I found that he had actually REMOVED all the existing updates too! #

I just looked at the option of buying XP Home ($199 + tax) and am actually considering it. #Maybe if I could delete the “ALL USERS” and other unwanted directories it would be somewhat useable. #(I insist on creating my own directory structure instead of having Bill set me up one of his that starts out 5 folders deep.)

On second thought, I think I’ll keep using my ‘98SE and spend the cash on a new FT-60 and draw out my own frequency chart with a pencil.
LOL -- Why would one prefer an operating 10:1 that can't even open the doucment they want. Seriously, I'm sure it can be opened with 98.

You could always install Linux for free!

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (N3PAQ @ Jan. 25 2007,15:23)]Quote[/b] (W4XKE @ Jan. 25 2007,13:10)]I tried downloading the new frequency chart from the ARRL web site and got the error, “This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down.” It won’t let my computer access it. I am running Windows 98SE (which I prefer 10:1 over XP) and Acrobat Reader 6.0. The Adobe web page also blocks me from downloading the version 8.0 reader.

When Bill Gates said he was going to stop providing support on ’98, it was understandable that no future updates would be provided. Then I found that he had actually REMOVED all the existing updates too!

I just looked at the option of buying XP Home ($199 + tax) and am actually considering it. Maybe if I could delete the “ALL USERS” and other unwanted directories it would be somewhat useable. (I insist on creating my own directory structure instead of having Bill set me up one of his that starts out 5 folders deep.)

On second thought, I think I’ll keep using my ‘98SE and spend the cash on a new FT-60 and draw out my own frequency chart with a pencil.
LOL -- Why would one prefer an operating 10:1 that can't even open the doucment they want. Seriously, I'm sure it can be opened with 98.

You could always install Linux for free!
Who knows? With "Vista" now out, maybe you can get XP for a lot less.

[ab8ro]

Right click and save the file. If you still can't read it then use the text only version.

BTW: It reads just fine in xpdf and kpdf which are free with linux. In case you don't know, linux is also free.

[ab1ga]

Fear not, OM!

The reason the Adobe site won't let you download Reader 8.0 is because it won't run on 98SE; Adobe abandoned that OS along with Microsoft.

You can still get the older security updates from Microsoft. I checked the Download Center for "Windows 98" and most of them are there. I think Windows Update will find the patches and install them too, but not the new Microsoft Update utility.

I have an ancient computer running SE that I use for games and some utilities that just won't run under 2000 or XP. But if you're talking about your only computer, then I do suggest upgrading to XP, because after a certain date MS just stopped fixing security holes in that platform. This leaves you exposed as can be to the nasties out there. What's worse, security product vendors like Symantec have started abandoning 98, so the new antivirus stuff won't be available to you either.

You're also paying quite a bit for the software. You can buy the OEM license and media for Windows XP Home for about $90 at Amazon.com, and the Professional version for about $140 at Newegg. The OEM package contains only a license document and a CD-ROM, no manuals or anything, and often it's just a shrinkwrap package. The catch is you usually have to buy a piece of hardware at the same time. I usually get a new, bigger hard disk or a cheap CD/DVD drive, but some vendors will let you buy the OEM version if you buy a $2 audio cable! This license is intended for system builders, so you also do not get any customer support other than the online support.

BTW, if I were you, I would accept the defaults of the installation process. Setting up your own directory structure will cause you to shed many tears, especially since with an OEM license you can't call anybody.

[AG3Y]

Dale gives good advice, and I am about to purchase XP for this older computer that I use in the ham shack. #

But I don't know what problem you are having there. #I just downloaded the chart with IE6 and had no problem with it at all ! #BTW, I am using Reader 6.0.5 and just printed out my chart hard copy.

Match applications with OS and you will do OK. #But do go and get the XP before they are no longer available. #( Jim, follow your own advice ! )

73 , Jim

[ab9lz]

You guys might want to try one of the Linux flavors on those old boxes, it typically runs quite a bit faster, many are self upgrading over the internet, almost all have MS Office equivalents. There quite a few Ham Apps available for free, and most are pretty good.

73 m.

[KB9YFI]

Don't put XP onto an old Hard Drive. It is a pain to get MS to give you the reactivation codes WHEN it dies and you need to transfer it to another computer or a new hard drive. Hard drives are CHEAP these days. If you are thinking of buying a new computer in the near future do it now. Moving XP from one computer to another is a no-no and the OS will see it. When it loads it looks at the serial numbers of the Hard Drive, the Motherboard and your Processor chip. Like I said before, now is the the time to upgrade your Hard Drive. If you can find a faster processor that is an easy plug-in (most older computers can be upgraded to a faster chip really cheap. I've seen a few that were $5 or $10. It's plug and play. Any ham should be able to drop in a new chip and seat the heat sink. But remember, once you load XP and activate it you are DONE unless you can sweet-talk MS into a reactivation code (you can usually do this once)

OEM copies of XP are under $100 and the program loads itself onto your computer so effortlessly that a 4-year old can do it.

You will wish you did it years ago. As far as Vista is concerned, there are a lot of computers being sold RIGHT NOW that will never be able to run it. XP will be around for a long time. A lot of people can get by with a 1Ghz machine with 500MB or more of memory doing normal stuff online. Unless you are into games or serious graphics programs a newer computer is not necessary. XP runs so much smoother and actually loads and runs faster then 98. I'm using it in a 1999 laptop. Works great as my only computer. Runs all my ham software, even runs Photoshop but it takes a minute to load up at first.

Order an OEM online for $100 and leave that cruddy 98 behind. It used to drive me crazy. I just don't have time. XP is nearly flawless and things just WORK.

[n2nh]

Okay, this is supposed to be a page with all the flavors of Adobe Acrobat. Hopefully the one that works with your system/OS is here.

Good luck. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

* Adobe 31 Flavors * (http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2_allversions.html)

[N5PVL]

I tried several Linux packages to see if recent releases were significantly better than what I saw a few years ago.

Nope, it's still hokey as all getout, a good setup for computer hobbyists or businesses but really unimpressive as a desktop OS.

It's free, but my experience is that it ties up expensive hardware that would be more productive and a lot less trouble with Windows or even DOS.

[N2RJ]

It's a grand conspiracy by arrl to dumb down hamradio and give the bands to winlink.

[KC9ECI]

Did you try Linspire?

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (N5PVL @ Jan. 25 2007,16:44)]I tried several Linux packages to see if recent releases were significantly better than what I saw a few years ago.

Nope, it's still hokey as all getout, a good setup for computer hobbyists or businesses but really unimpressive as a desktop OS.

It's free, but my experience is that it ties up expensive hardware that would be more productive and a lot less trouble with Windows or even DOS.
What exactly were you (and are you) having trouble with?

[n1ydx]

Howdy - Only one suggestion. Buy Win XP Pro if you want best drivers and setups for networking or cable connections. Home is dumbed down in that respect.

Also, got my Win XP Pro at a computer shop with a M$ mouse so it counted as OEM and only paid $99.00 for it.

And in 3 1/2 years M$ techs have given me 2 new activation keys when modifications changed my system too much.

N1YDX - Lee

[W4XKE]

I have 4 computers running here:
(1) 600 MHz (an old Dell) ham computer running Win 98SE
(2) 1.2 GHz (main box) running Win 98SE
(3) 1.6 GHz (Hewlett Packard) running Win XP Home
(4) 200 MHz (a real old Dell) running Linux Redhat 9 (IRLP node 4007)

The main box is the most useful and the most used machine, followed by the 600 M Dell and lastly, the XP machine. We only resort to using the XP machine when forced to by some application that requires it. XP is a real PAIN in the Grass and those of us around here avoid using that one. We have to use XP when we download photos from our digital camera or play with CQ-100. I sure don’t want 2 of them running XP.

The IRLP node runs 24/7 and provides linkup to the other world nodes & reflectors. The Linux on it is a barebones OS. Since the local hams here divided into 2 clubs and hatefully attack each other’s endeavors, the IRLP is a godsend to be able to talk to someone on 2 meters. None of the local hams will talk on the radio for fear their ‘enemies’ will hear something said so it is real quiet. I have a lot of distant ham friends, thanks to the Linux IRLP machine.

Linux as a standard platform would create a lot of restrictions. My neighbor bought a copy of LinSpire and it slowed his 1.5 GHz machine down to a crawl. It acted like a 14.77 MHz machine with the “Turbo” turned OFF!

I have heard about the free Linux downloads for years and I have operated Mandrake, Redhat, SuSE and others but have never seen a free download of any of them. Somebody must know of a web site that I’ve never found.

If I buy an operating system, it is mine to load onto my machine and to reload again and again if I so desire. Bill will sell you XP but it really isn’t yours. You can just use it a few times within his rules. A student in my electronics class got an error on his machine, “This software has been installed the maximum number of times.” It wouldn’t let him run it again. (We play with the computers a lot there.) After several calls to MicroSoft support, they finally said, “Okay,we’ll give you this code to load your operating system again, but it will only work for one more install."

The kid told the MS rep, “Okay, if I can’t use the software that I paid for, then I want my money back. It’s of no use to me if I’m not allowed to install it when I need to.”

[KC9ECI]

I downloaded Linspire, didn't pay anything for it, and it works just fine.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 25 2007,14:36)]OEM copies of XP are under $100 and the program loads itself onto your computer so effortlessly that a 4-year old can do it.
Yup... Just bought a copy for the XYL's new machine from Newegg (http://www.newegg.com) for $89 and change. It comes with some sort of upgrade offer to Vista, but I have a feeling that might involve some additional $$$.

73, Rob

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]Yup... Just bought a copy for the XYL's new machine from Newegg for $89 and change. It comes with some sort of upgrade offer to Vista, but I have a feeling that might involve some additional $$$.
Pro or Home?

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Jan. 25 2007,17:09)]Quote[/b] ]Yup... Just bought a copy for the XYL's new machine from Newegg for $89 and change. It comes with some sort of upgrade offer to Vista, but I have a feeling that might involve some additional $$$.
Pro or Home?
Home... They get $139.99 for an OEM copy of Pro. XYL just needs a loader for World of Warcraft. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73, Rob

[KC9ECI]

I just listened to a podcast of an NPR story today about a guy going through a 12 step program related to his addiction to WoW.

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Jan. 25 2007,17:20)]I just listened to a podcast of an NPR story today about a guy going through a 12 step program related to his addiction to WoW.
I don't doubt it. I'm probably going to regret getting her this new machine. Never played it myself -- I burned out on computer games in the Space Invaders days...

73, Rob

[KC9ECI]

I play now and again. I've got a couple of Star Trek games that I like, and some of the Command and Conquer games that I enjoy. I think the last time I played though was last Noveber when the wife was back home in the UK visiting her family.

[KD8COO]

If you've got a win9x code base machine, PLEASE do us all a favor and keep it off the Internet! It's not a safe OS to have anywhere NEAR the Internet!

I like 98SE, but any machines of mine with it will NOT be on the 'net!

If you just have to have Windows and be on the 'net, use XP... Otherwise give Solaris a try...

[KC9ECI]

Friends don't let friends use Windows?

[N0NB]

For anyone wanting to try a given Linux distribution, many of which feature "live" CD images, head on over to Distrowatch (http://www.distrowatch.com) (you'll also find BSD variants as well). #

The advantage of a live CD is that it can be booted from the CD-ROM and used without installation to the hard drive. #In fact, the live CD's I've tried all will treat your hard drive as a read-only device which allows you to read data from it, but avoids doing damage by writing to it, unless you explicitly mount the device in read-write mode. #When finished, you shut down the machine and eject the CD and your computer will boot as before. #Many of the live CDs include invaluable recovery tools as well. #The grand daddy of them all is KNOPPIX (http://www.knoppix.org/).

Anyone expecting Linux to be a drop-in replacement clone for Windows will be disappointed. #Replacing Windows was never the intent behind Linux and never will be. #It is a fine desktop OS in its own right. #If there isn't application software that you need available for Linux, then use the platform that provides it. #

Each operating system has its own paradigm. #The Linux desktop isn't as tightly bound to the OS as other platforms and while some see this as a bug, many (including myself) see it as a feature. #Some decry the duplication of apps and environments on Linux, but again, other platforms have shown how difficult a "one size fits all" policy is, so we use choice to our advantage. #It may take some time to find that app that you need that you feel comfortable with, but part of the fun is trying all the others first. #Imagine if in ham radio we were stuck with only one manufacturer and then only one model? #Not for me, I love choice.

Where Linux inexplicably lags is in ham software. #Not being much of a developer myself, I can't explain the "why" behind this one very well. #However, most all of available Linux ham software is listed at Radio.Linux.org.au (http://radio.linux.org.au).

Good luck and happy hacking! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[WA3KYY]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Jan. 25 2007,19:12)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Jan. 25 2007,17:09)]Quote[/b] ]Yup... #Just bought a copy for the XYL's new machine from Newegg for $89 and change. #It comes with some sort of upgrade offer to Vista, but I have a feeling that might involve some additional $$$.
Pro or Home?
Home... #They get $139.99 for an OEM copy of Pro. #XYL just needs a loader for World of Warcraft. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73, Rob
I got the OEM version of XP Media Center 2005 for $109. Guess what I was presented with during the install?

Setting up Windows XP Professional!!

Yes, the Media Center edition runs on the XP Pro core. Best thing is, if you do not have any of the Media Center type hardware, you get XP Pro without any of the stuff you don't need. If you do have the multi-media hardware, it supports it out of the box.

The hardest part of the whole install was formatting the 400Gig HD. After that, it went blazingly fast. Once I got the motherboard drivers installed, the wireless connection came up and I received all the security updates and other upgrades in the background. I still need to update Net Framework to 1.1 or later to installed the Media Center 2005 upgrades but that is this evening's project.

Now I have to see if the Vista Upgrade coupon will work. It wants me to provide the receipt from the system builder I bought it from but that's me. However, since I do have a receipt showing all the parts plus the OEM purchase of the OS, I should get it.

73,
Mike WA3KYY

[W4XKE]

Whoa DUDES! I just went to redhat.com and WOW! Whoever said that LINUX was free needs to go and look at the prices! $349 for Linux ES, RedHat Linux Starter Pack $2500.

Twenty Five Hundred Dollars? You’ve gotta be kidding me! It makes Bill’s stuff look like bargain basement prices by comparison! I was almost ready to fork out 50 bux or so for a RedHat disk but I guess that was wishful thinking!

https://www.redhat.com/apps/commerce/

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (N0NB @ Jan. 26 2007,07:01)]Where Linux inexplicably lags is in ham software.
So does Windows. Most ham software is garbage.

73, Rob

[kg4dci]

Quote[/b] (W4XKE @ Jan. 26 2007,08:16)]Whoa DUDES! I just went to redhat.com and WOW! Whoever said that LINUX was free needs to go and look at the prices! $349 for Linux ES, RedHat Linux Starter Pack $2500.

Twenty Five Hundred Dollars? You’ve gotta be kidding me! It makes Bill’s stuff look like bargain basement prices by comparison! I was almost ready to fork out 50 bux or so for a RedHat disk but I guess that was wishful thinking!

https://www.redhat.com/apps/commerce/
You know, as funny as your post is, it's so sad... You'd think people who have a ARS license would be a bit technical...

Anyhow, RedHat ES stands for Enterprise Server, so you're compairing Windows XP, which is a desktop OS, to a Enterprise level Server OS trust me $350 isn't expensive compaired to a similairly priced copy of 2003/Vista Server...

The Proxy Starter Pack is for 10 support licenses... They aren't charging you for the OS, just for phone/email support if you have problems...

The important thing to remember is that with Linux you're NOT buying the software, only a support agreement should you want one.. If you have a copy of RedHat and install it on 500 computers you're allowed to do that, you're just not allowed to call RedHat for free support...

Now, somebody already mentioned this link, but to help you out even more here we go...

Fedora is the 'dev' release that RedHat has used in the past to base their 'Enterprise' product on... You can download it for free here:

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=fedora

Scroll down to Fedora 6, and click the link marked 'Free Download' ISO... it's a few CD's worth you'll have to burn, but it's fairly easy process... If for some reason you find downloading and burning your own CD's too complicated, here is a link where you can BUY a copy...

http://www.thelinuxstore.ca/index.p....id=1202 (http://www.thelinuxstore.ca/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=41_45&products_id=1202)

You're going to need the i386 version in either DVD or CD depending on your machine... $9-$13 plus shipping seems fairly reasonable...

Now, lets say that you don't want to use a 'dev' build, but need the 'enterprise' features of RedHat but are unwilling to buy 1 copy... The guys over at CentOS has taken RedHat Enterprise and made it into a free distro...

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=centos

You'll also be able to download CentOS 4.4 for free, and burn it to disc yourself... or if you look on the right hand side, you'll see a link to 'The Linux Store' and they'll also sell you a copy on disc and ship it to you for $10-$15 plus shipping...

So, Linux is free... You just need to do a little research or ask a few simple questions...

[KI4ITI]

The choice between a commercial OS and a free one is very similar to the choice to buy or homebrew your own ham radio equipment.

If you have time/interest but no money, you go the free/homebrew route. You invest time learning how to make the most of what you have. In the process, you learn a great deal, and eventually find that you're probably not that far away from what a commercial solution could do for you.

If you have no time/interest but lots of money, you pay somebody to deliver your solution to your door, maybe even hook it up for you. You use it, not caring whether it's doing all it can, because it's doing all you want. When it breaks, you throw it out and buy another. The homebrewing guy scrapes it off your curb, amazed at his good fortune. You have many more free evenings for pursuing whatever other interests you may have.

Quote[/b] ]Where Linux inexplicably lags is in ham software. Not being much of a developer myself, I can't explain the "why" behind this one very well.
Depends on what type of ham software you're talking about. If you're into packet, I'd say Linux is hard to beat, given that it supports packet networking natively in its kernel. I run Fedora 6 exclusively on my shack computer. For the few ham-related functions that aren't provided by a Linux application, I have
WINE (http://winehq.com/), which provides a Windows emulation layer and runs Echolink very nicely. I also use the free VMWare Server to run a Windows 2000 virtual machine, just in case I have to have Windows. All this runs very usably on a 450MHz Pentium II with 512MB RAM.

I like using Linux, and I think it provides value that makes it worth learning, but it's not for everybody. Good luck finding a solution that works for you.

73
Josh KI4ITI

[PE1RDW]

Quote[/b] (ki4iti @ Jan. 26 2007,21:03)]For the few ham-related functions that aren't provided by a Linux application, I have
WINE (http://winehq.com/), which provides a Windows emulation layer and runs Echolink very nicely.
For echolink on linux I sugest svxlink (http://svxlink.sourceforge.net/), it comes with repeater controller including simplexlink and voicemailbox, can also be used as simplex parotrepeater.
As a bonus it has a user echolink app too (qtel).

[ky5u]

Notice that the Technicians are "pink" on the color scale. ROFL!

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Jan. 26 2007,11:23)]Quote[/b] (N0NB @ Jan. 26 2007,07:01)]Where Linux inexplicably lags is in ham software.
So does Windows. #Most ham software is garbage.

73, Rob
Not sure what you mean, Rob. DXLabs stuff is quite capable, and Dave makes an incredible job supporting the programs -- all of which are free for downloading.

So far as Linux is concerned, Linspire is a tolerable distro that mimes Windows in all the important GUI ways. I find it to be fairly fast (of course, I am testing it on a 3GHz P4 with a gig of RAM), but the hardware support -- actually, the LACK of hardware support -- is pitiful.

As far as the ham radio software for Linux is concerned, it is a sad joke. A dozen AX25 iterations, one PSK program and a couple of amateurish logging apps is about it. Oh, yeah, a PSK-flavor of WinLink at glacial transfer rates.

Charles is right.

[wb7dmx]

Quote[/b] (W4XKE @ Jan. 25 2007,13:10)]I tried downloading the new frequency chart from the ARRL web site and got the error, “This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down.” #It won’t let my computer access it. #I am running Windows 98SE (which I prefer 10:1 over XP) and Acrobat Reader 6.0. #The Adobe web page also blocks me from downloading the version 8.0 reader.

When Bill Gates said he was going to stop providing support on ’98, it was understandable that no future updates would be provided. #Then I found that he had actually REMOVED all the existing updates too! #

I just looked at the option of buying XP Home ($199 + tax) and am actually considering it. #Maybe if I could delete the “ALL USERS” and other unwanted directories it would be somewhat useable. #(I insist on creating my own directory structure instead of having Bill set me up one of his that starts out 5 folders deep.)

On second thought, I think I’ll keep using my ‘98SE and spend the cash on a new FT-60 and draw out my own frequency chart with a pencil.
I am not sure what your doing wrong.
I just downloaded it and viewed it with acrobat ver, 5.0.

you might want to try it again by right clicking on the file and save it to a folder on your hard drive.
after it is saved, you can then close the internet connection and use windows explorer to view the file at the location where you saved it.

the system I just tested it with is a old w98 system with a cryex 250 mhz cpu, if this old system can do it without any problems, I am sure that your W98 system can also do it with out any problems.

[KD5SHW]

This is simpler than changing your OS:

http://my.lsu.edu/fsands1/ham.jpg

[ke4pjw]

Here is a copy of the Frequency Chart (http://www.groovin.net/Hambands_color.ps) in postscript. Any version Acrobat should be able to open it.

I converted it on my $45 Macintosh Powerbook G3 (Wallstreet) with gratis YellowDog Linux operating system.

[wb7dmx]

Quote[/b] (KD5SHW @ Jan. 26 2007,18:31)]This is simpler than changing your OS:

http://my.lsu.edu/fsands1/ham.jpg
don't know if you noticed that this is out dated come feb 23.

I think he wants to see the new one that is soon comming to a theater near you.

[ab9lz]

Quote[/b] (N0NB @ Jan. 26 2007,07:01)]Where Linux inexplicably lags is in ham software. Not being much of a developer myself, I can't explain the "why" behind this one very well.
Well, because doesn't support that development environment designed for those who question their sexuality... whats it called again hmmm... that's it! "Visual Basic" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[W0LPQ]

PJW Acrobat does not work... I have both 6 and 7.

Bill, W0LPQ/9

[KF0RT]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 26 2007,17:57)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Jan. 26 2007,11:23)]Quote[/b] (N0NB @ Jan. 26 2007,07:01)]Where Linux inexplicably lags is in ham software.
So does Windows. Most ham software is garbage.

73, Rob
Not sure what you mean, Rob. DXLabs stuff is quite capable, and Dave makes an incredible job supporting the programs -- all of which are free for downloading.

So far as Linux is concerned, Linspire is a tolerable distro that mimes Windows in all the important GUI ways. I find it to be fairly fast (of course, I am testing it on a 3GHz P4 with a gig of RAM), but the hardware support -- actually, the LACK of hardware support -- is pitiful.

As far as the ham radio software for Linux is concerned, it is a sad joke. A dozen AX25 iterations, one PSK program and a couple of amateurish logging apps is about it. Oh, yeah, a PSK-flavor of WinLink at glacial transfer rates.

Charles is right.
Here's my take, Albert... I'll preface it a bit by saying that I've been a ham for 37 years and have been putting food on the table for 28+ years as a software developer. I've spent years in the Windows trenches of bloatware and have also written machine-level BIOS code. You can look me up in the USPTO database.

I got out of ham radio in the mid 80's and got back into it just recently -- almost three years ago. Code / no code debates aside, I do love it.

One of the things that interested me when I got back into ham radio was the software. At the very least, I thought I'd find a killer logging program. Something that does it all, and adheres to the standards of professional Windows programmers. After downloading and trying about a dozen of the most popular programs, I gave up.

What I use here is the N3FJP stuff. It's the most bang per buck stuff out there, but in the sense of professional software, it's pretty low on the totem pole. Scott does a great job of support, too.

When I got back in, I thought I'd find some superb software. We're hams, afterall, and were working on this when it was new. What I found was a serious disappointment. Yeah, it works, but there is no adherence to standards, and it ALL feels like it was developed by a Windows 3.1 noob. Seriously, I use MMTTY, and it just works, but the interface is horrid. And what of the N3FJP stuff and it's 1997 interface?

I really don't mean to demean the developers. I know this is done in spare moments. Somehow, I expected more, though. I have yet to see a ham radio program developed to professional standards, or even close. Pick your poison. Sure, it all works, but it all feels like it was written 10 years ago.

73, Rob

[n5iln]

You might want to try the Ubuntu distribution too, if you're looking for a "quick start, full-function" variety. And there are plenty of freeware packages out there to directly support ham radio, including NEC analysis, sound-card digital-mode operations, loggers, satellite tracking...and the list goes on.

Really, what are you giving up by ditching Windows for Linux? Right now: games.

Just my two cents' worth...save up the change for a root beer or something.

[N7VQM]

Quote[/b] (n1ydx @ Jan. 25 2007,16:19)]Howdy - Only one suggestion. Buy Win XP Pro if you want best drivers and setups for networking or cable connections. Home is dumbed down in that respect.
Hardware drivers don't vary between WinXP Home and Pro. Connecting XP Home to the Internet through a broadband connection is the same as XP Pro. You can use the same online-safetly tools in both. Yes, XP Home does lack some things that Pro has like the Security tab in file properties dialogs and Home doesn't allow joining a domain. What percentage of home computer users need their computer to join a domain?

[ke4pjw]

Quote[/b] (W0LPQ @ Jan. 26 2007,12:55)]PJW Acrobat does not work... I have both 6 and 7.

Bill, W0LPQ/9
I dunno. I can open it with Acrobat 6.0 Professional at the office, no problem.

It doesn't get more basic than postscript. You can dump it directly to most printers and it will print.

Sorry I could not be of more help.

[KD8COO]

Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Jan. 26 2007,19:06)][quote=W3MIV,Jan. 26 2007,17:57]When I got back in, I thought I'd find some superb software. #We're hams, afterall, and were working on this when it was new. #What I found was a serious disappointment. #Yeah, it works, but there is no adherence to standards, and it ALL feels like it was developed by a Windows 3.1 noob. #Seriously, I use MMTTY, and it just works, but the interface is horrid. #And what of the N3FJP stuff and it's 1997 interface? #

I really don't mean to demean the developers. #I know this is done in spare moments. #Somehow, I expected more, though. #I have yet to see a ham radio program developed to professional standards, or even close. # Pick your poison. #Sure, it all works, but it all feels like it was written 10 years ago.
Hmmmm...

I quit writing software a few years ago because it seemed to reach the point where "everything was already written". I've always been able to find a free download within minutes of searching that does exactly what I wanted. It's actually been kind of sad because I enjoy programming, but haven't been able to justify the time to "re-invent the wheel" so to speak.

What are you looking for exactly? I'd sure like to find a "need" so I would have a real opportunity to code (software, not Morse ;) ) again! It would be freely available, open source for anyone that wants to play around with it. Probably in Java since I use several different OS' on a daily basis. I've done the typical programmer thing and bounced around between a zillion languages (x86 machine code, up to Java, and nearly every reasonably familiar steps in between (and perhaps a few not so familiar http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )).

[wb7dmx]

I know what the problem is.

your trying to open it over the internet and view it that way, it wont work that way.

right click on the file to save it as :

then it will down load to your system hard drive.
after its downloaded then you can open it with most any old version of acrobat and print it.

you cant use a old w98se the same way you would use xp and the newer versions of acrobat reader.

but it does still work great if done this way..
no need to buy anything.

[W4XKE]

Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ Jan. 26 2007,21:43)]I know what the problem is.

your trying to open it over the internet and view it that way, it wont work that way.

right click on the file to save it as :

then it will down load to your system hard drive.
after its downloaded then you can open it with most any old version of acrobat and print it.

you cant use a old w98se the same way you would use xp and the newer versions of acrobat reader.

but it does still work great if done this way..
no need to buy anything.
Ahh! Magnifico! It works like a new sewing machine! (Just say "right click on the link, not on the picture.")Bobby, you are both a gentleman and a scholar. I take back all those things I said. Thanks, OM. I appreciate you.
Johnny

[wb7dmx]

Quote[/b] (W4XKE @ Jan. 28 2007,17:49)]Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ Jan. 26 2007,21:43)]I know what the problem is.

your trying to open it over the internet and view it that way, it wont work that way.

right click on the file to save it as :

then it will down load to your system hard drive.
after its downloaded then you can open it with most any old version of acrobat and print it.

you cant use a old w98se the same way you would use xp and the newer versions of acrobat reader.

but it does still work great if done this way..
no need to buy anything.
Ahh! #Magnifico! #It works like a new sewing machine! # (Just say "right click on the link, not on the picture.")Bobby, you are both a gentleman and a scholar. #I take back all those things I said. #Thanks, OM. #I appreciate you.
#Johnny
but the file is the link.
you can tell by the name of the file.

this will work with any file on the internet, under any operating system.

[KG4RUL]

Here is a MUCH more easily readable bandplan chart created by KE7HLR:

KE7HLR BANDPLAN (http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/ke7hlr/hfbands/)

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[wb7dmx]

Quote[/b] (KG4RUL @ Jan. 28 2007,20:47)]Here is a MUCH more easily readable bandplan chart created by KE7HLR:

KE7HLR BANDPLAN (http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/ke7hlr/hfbands/)

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
right, but it is no good till the 23rd of Feb, 2007.

[KG4RUL]

Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ Jan. 28 2007,16:57)]Quote[/b] (KG4RUL @ Jan. 28 2007,20:47)]Here is a MUCH more easily readable bandplan chart created by KE7HLR:

KE7HLR BANDPLAN (http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/ke7hlr/hfbands/)

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
right, but it is no good till the 23rd of Feb, 2007.
IF you take a look at the chart, you will realize that only the designations for Technician licenses are not correct until 23 FEB 2007. The rest of the chart is correct as of 15 DEC 2007. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[PE1RDW]

Quote[/b] (KG4RUL @ Jan. 30 2007,16:45)]The rest of the chart is correct as of 15 DEC 2007. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Damn that is a long wait... (sorry I couldn't resist)

[WA9SVD]

It's not necessarily my preferred method, but when I downloaded the "PDF" file, I was able to open it in Win98SE with Acrobat (Reader) 5.0 and print it out with no problem. Apparently, there's a problem (excuse me, an "Undocumented Feature") in some older browsers/Microsoft OpSys's that the ARRL doesn't see fit to support.

Guess you gotta have the latest and greatest PC hardware/software to be in "tune" with the ARRL, nowadaze. (Pun intended.) Radios optional.

[wb7dmx]

its not only arrl, today there is a lot of web sights that will not do well with older systems.
it just the way it is and things keep on changing all the time.
ya just gotta try to keep up with it.

[W4XKE]

Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ Jan. 29 2007,15:57)]it just the way it is and things keep on changing all the time.
ya just gotta try to keep up with it.
I plan to keep up with it. I just got 5 CDs burnt with Redhat Linux, Fedora Core 6 to try to avoid giving Bill any more of my money. We'll see if Fedora will open the Frequency Chart and Band Plan. Johnny

[WA9SVD]

Quote[/b] (wb7dmx @ Jan. 30 2007,14:57)]its not only arrl, today there is a lot of web sights that will not do well with older systems.
it just the way it is and things keep on changing all the time.
ya just gotta try to keep up with it.
That's one way to look at it.

But an alternate view is that web sites that are supposed to be providing a SERVICE to members/viewers should make their site compatible with the widest audience. That's not the new Windoze VISTA machines, but not necessarily as far back as NetScape 3 and 486 machines with 16 MB of memory.
If I go to a website for info, I shouldn't HAVE to have the latest OS and FLASH software to view "whiz-bang" animation that impresses programmers, but does nothing to convey true information. Entertainment (and often self-gratification by programmers to impress their boss) should be second to serving the users, or potential users of the web site. Otherwise, the customers of commercial sites ((yes, even ARRL.com is considered a commercial site) will go elsewhere.

[N0NB]

I've had no problem opening the ARRL's PDF files with either Acrobat 7.0 or using the KDE utilities on Debian.

I'm surprised that no one seems to be trying Debian or its derivatives such as KNOPPIX or Kanotix (both very good, IMO). #Debian is my standard distribution on my T23 Thinkpad and desktop at home. #I do still use Slackware, but only for development of Hamlib as it seems to be most like packages built from source.

Debian will be releasing its next stable version soon (hopefully), 4.0, which is already getting some good reports on the Debian User mailing list from new Debian users.