Daylight Savings Time

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] ]The estimates are that each extra day of Daylight Saving will save us an energy equivalent to 100,000 barrels of oil a day.

The U.S. won’t be the only country adopting these the new DST dates. Most of Canada’s provinces are following the U.S. lead and will be in sync with US time.

Symmetricomm (http://www.imakenews.com/symmntp/e_article000736824.cfm?x=b8Rvtjm,b5VRhf80)

[ne6ao]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Jan. 24 2007,12:19)]Quote[/b] ]The estimates are that each extra day of Daylight Saving will save us an energy equivalent to 100,000 barrels of oil a day.

The U.S. won’t be the only country adopting these the new DST dates. Most of Canada’s provinces are following the U.S. lead and will be in sync with US time.

Symmetricomm (http://www.imakenews.com/symmntp/e_article000736824.cfm?x=b8Rvtjm,b5VRhf80)
the artical says that there hasnt been a change since 1966,but I distincly remember 73 or 74 we tried it then,does anybody remember this?

[KI4GST]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Jan. 24 2007,14:19)]Quote[/b] ]The estimates are that each extra day of Daylight Saving will save us an energy equivalent to 100,000 barrels of oil a day.

The U.S. won’t be the only country adopting these the new DST dates. Most of Canada’s provinces are following the U.S. lead and will be in sync with US time.

Symmetricomm (http://www.imakenews.com/symmntp/e_article000736824.cfm?x=b8Rvtjm,b5VRhf80)
I will sell you some ocean front property in Arizona and I will throw in the golden gate bridge, if you buy that crack about it is going to save 100,000 barrels of oil a day. There is no way that changing the time of when it gets light or dark out side is going to change how much power people use. Every business and normal person will still have their lights, computers, and everything else on the same amount of time no matter what. So tell me how this going to save. They need to dump the whole time change thing.
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[KD6NIG]

I think a better concept would be to pick one time, and leave it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I go to work in the dark anyways, so it wouldn't matter to me either way. Sometimes I'm here till dark too.

Just switch it back to DST next time, and forget about it after that. I won't miss the ritual of resetting old, manual clocks http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[WS2L]

Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Jan. 24 2007,07:40)]I think a better concept would be to pick one time, and leave it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I go to work in the dark anyways, so it wouldn't matter to me either way. Sometimes I'm here till dark too.

Just switch it back to DST next time, and forget about it after that. I won't miss the ritual of resetting old, manual clocks http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I agree with you 100%

I really dislike the time changes, takes me weeks to get used to so to me it's just a big PIA. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (KI4GST @ Jan. 24 2007,12:36)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Jan. 24 2007,14:19)]Quote[/b] ]The estimates are that each extra day of Daylight Saving will save us an energy equivalent to 100,000 barrels of oil a day.

The U.S. won’t be the only country adopting these the new DST dates. Most of Canada’s provinces are following the U.S. lead and will be in sync with US time.

Symmetricomm (http://www.imakenews.com/symmntp/e_article000736824.cfm?x=b8Rvtjm,b5VRhf80)
I will sell you some ocean front property in Arizona and I will throw in the golden gate bridge, if you buy that crack about it is going to save 100,000 barrels of oil a day. There is no way that changing the time of when it gets light or dark out side is going to change how much power people use. Every business and normal person will still have their lights, computers, and everything else on the same amount of time no matter what. So tell me how this going to save. They need to dump the whole time change thing.
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I would like to at least see a link to a description of the logic, data, and calculations behind that 100,000 barrels a day claim.

In the old days when most people lived on farms, worked outdoors, and burned candles and oil for light I could see DST making a difference. These days most Americans work behind closed doors in buildings where the lights are on 24/7. Most computers are on 24/7. Even in my own home my network is up 24/7. People still drive to work regardless. The same number of cars, buses, trains and planes still run. Even much our present day recreation is indoor based and used electric video games, DVD players, computer related stuff, ham radio, etc. Somehow I don't see the fit between the time shift and the 100,000 barrels. I'm not saying that it ain't true but it seems hard to envision.

The best way I can see to save energy is to use and or implement environmentally friendly devices and procedures. Use lower energy compact fluorescent or led lamps in place of incandescents. Use computers that have certain "green functions" enabled, i.e. peripherals that shut off when not in use, monitors that turn off when idle for an extended time, power saving features, fuel efficient cars, etc.

[K0RGR]

There is a much greater difference in the length of the day up here in the northern tier of states than in the south, so the reasons may be more obvious to us.

In the summertime, it's daylight up here from 4:30 a.m. until almost 10:00 p.m. on the longest day of the year. It doesn't do too much then. But in spring when it would be daylight from 6 to 6, shifting our work day an hour into sunlight does matter.

What we need is a way to make the days longer in the winter, when it's dark from 4:00 p.m. til 7:00 a.m..

Yes, Nixon made DST year-round during our first gas crisis. Too many little kids got killed waiting in the dark for their school busses, so they stopped it. Up here, they wait in the dark, anyway, in the winter.

All I know for sure is that there's a big difference in quality of life in the spring and fall with DST. We have daylight after work when DST is in effect. Personally, I'd be happy to go to work in the dark all the time - that sun wakes me up in the morning, when I'm trying to sleep walk into work. But it's nice to have sunlight when I get off.

[ke7imb]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Jan. 24 2007,04:59)]Quote[/b] (KI4GST @ Jan. 24 2007,12:36)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Jan. 24 2007,14:19)]Quote[/b] ]The estimates are that each extra day of Daylight Saving will save us an energy equivalent to 100,000 barrels of oil a day.

The U.S. won’t be the only country adopting these the new DST dates. Most of Canada’s provinces are following the U.S. lead and will be in sync with US time.

Symmetricomm (http://www.imakenews.com/symmntp/e_article000736824.cfm?x=b8Rvtjm,b5VRhf80)
I will sell you some ocean front property in Arizona and I will throw in the golden gate bridge, if you buy that crack about it is going to save 100,000 barrels of oil a day. There is no way that changing the time of when it gets light or dark out side is going to change how much power people use. Every business and normal person will still have their lights, computers, and everything else on the same amount of time no matter what. #So tell me how this going to save. They need to dump the whole time change thing.
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End of rant.
I would like to at least see a link to a description of the logic, data, and calculations behind that 100,000 barrels a day claim.

In the old days when most people lived on farms, worked outdoors, and burned candles and oil for light I could see DST making a difference. These days most Americans work behind closed doors in buildings where the lights are on 24/7. Most computers are on 24/7. Even in my own home my network is up 24/7. People still drive to work regardless. The same number of cars, buses, trains and planes still run. Even much our present day recreation is indoor based and used electric video games, DVD players, computer related stuff, ham radio, etc. # Somehow I don't see the fit between the time shift and the 100,000 barrels. I'm not saying that it ain't true but it seems hard to envision.

The best way I can see to save energy is to use and or implement environmentally friendly devices and procedures. Use lower energy compact #fluorescent or led lamps in place of incandescents. #Use computers that have certain "green functions" enabled, i.e. peripherals that shut off when not in use, monitors that turn off when idle for an extended time, power saving features, fuel efficient cars, #etc.
So would I like to see the proof on that. I just would like the longer days thats all.

[AC4BB]

It's "Daylight Saving time" there's No (s) on saving'.

[N9XR]

I used to work for Austron who was bought out by Datum, who was later bought out by Symmetricomm.

What can I say? I was not working for the brightest of leaders. There now.

And they are the ones pulling in the big bucks while I work my tail off making somewhat less.

[al2i]

The bright spot in this plan is that with the smaller amount of "standard time", the possibility of just doing away with standard time completely is now more likely.

[ac3p]

Why can't we just use GMT and stop this time twice-a-year time change? If someone wants to have more evening time, just wake up an hour earlier.

[ac4ut]

Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ Jan. 25 2007,00:02)]It's "Daylight Saving time" #there's #No #(s) #on #saving'.
This is the one post in this thread that I can say is absolutely true.
The rest are theory, however I like DST since it I have a stable routine it gives me a more daylight at the end of the day for outdoor activities in the fall and early spring.
Probably not enough reason to have it unless you apply the theory that I am the center of the universe.

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] (ac4ut @ Jan. 25 2007,00:10)]Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ Jan. 25 2007,00:02)]It's "Daylight Saving time" there's No (s) on saving'.
This is the one post in this thread that I can say is absolutely true.
The rest are theory, however I like DST since it I have a stable routine it gives me a more daylight at the end of the day for outdoor activities in the fall and early spring.
Probably not enough reason to have it unless you apply the theory that I am the center of the universe.
Sorry

Daylight Aving Time.

I never worked at Austron. I goofed off most the time.

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (ne6ao @ Jan. 24 2007,14:34)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Jan. 24 2007,12:19)]Quote[/b] ]The estimates are that each extra day of Daylight Saving will save us an energy equivalent to 100,000 barrels of oil a day.

The U.S. won’t be the only country adopting these the new DST dates. Most of Canada’s provinces are following the U.S. lead and will be in sync with US time.

Symmetricomm (http://www.imakenews.com/symmntp/e_article000736824.cfm?x=b8Rvtjm,b5VRhf80)
the artical says that there hasnt been a change since 1966,but I distincly remember 73 or 74 we tried it then,does anybody remember this?
Quote[/b] ]This change in DST marks the first major date change since 1966

Yep, noticed that too. Tricky Dicky did a change so that DST was in effect at least in February. I remember people going to work in the dark here. Heck, I was up in the middle of the night at 5AM going to the radio station.

>S I G H< Once again someone has too much time to think about things...

[N1MLF]

A lot of my work is governed by the tides not the time so it makes no difference to me.
I just wish they'd settle on something & leave it alone.
With this change imagine how many computers are going to be snafued
:rock:

JW

[wz9o]

Al (Gump) Gore invented "Daylight Saving time"

[ab8ma]

Quote[/b] (ne6ao @ Jan. 24 2007,19:34)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Jan. 24 2007,12:19)]Quote[/b] ]The estimates are that each extra day of Daylight Saving will save us an energy equivalent to 100,000 barrels of oil a day.

The U.S. won’t be the only country adopting these the new DST dates. Most of Canada’s provinces are following the U.S. lead and will be in sync with US time.

Symmetricomm (http://www.imakenews.com/symmntp/e_article000736824.cfm?x=b8Rvtjm,b5VRhf80)
the artical says that there hasnt been a change since 1966,but I distincly remember 73 or 74 we tried it then,does anybody remember this?
There was one winter around 1976 when Michigan and Minnesota were both in the same timezone.

[KG4CGC]

The Decider decided it. Now we'll have more time each year than those Godless other countries do.

[k4kyv]

It should be called Daylight Shifting Time. Not a single nanosecond of daylight is "saved."

No matter how we set our clocks, the fact is, we will be getting up an hour earlier every day, and forced to go to bed an hour earlier in the evening to get a full nights sleep. This business of setting the clock ahead 1 hour and pretending it is an hour later than it really is, does not affect the tilt of the earth's axis. By definition, 12 noon is supposed to mean that the sun is approximately directly overhead.

The date of the time shift has gradually been moved up for a number of years. I recall back when the Dayton Hamvention was always held the third weekend of April, that was usually the same weekend of the time shift. Now it's more like the first weekend in April. And next year they want to move it to mid-March, even before equinox!

I recall a study cited last year when congress was talking about energy usage and DST. The number of barrells saved looked impressive until compared to the total amount of oil consumed per day; it actually amounts to a saving of about 0.05%. In late winter and early spring, the days are so short that any reduction in energy usage by turning on the lights an hour later in the evening is offset by the extra hour they are left on in the morning. Any elementary school student should be able to figure that out.

As it is, in the spring, just about the time it is getting to be daylight when you get up in the morning, the damned time shift occurs and you're back to fumbling and stumbling around in the dark to get ready to leave for work. For those of us who like 80 and 160m, it means one less hour of prime operating time in the evening.

Let the early birds who like to rise in the wee hours, set their own alarm clocks to go off before the crack of dawn, and leave the rest of us in peace.

One more example of "feel-good" legislation designed to make it look like members of congress are "doing something," without to make any real accomplishments.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (ac3p @ Jan. 25 2007,05:07)]Why can't we just use GMT and stop this time twice-a-year time change? If someone wants to have more evening time, just wake up an hour earlier.
I hope you are not talking about the character and self-responsibility that develops along with self-esteem and self-confidence when a people are free. We abandoned that a long time ago in favor of the nanny state. Freedom is too much work.