Questions The Democrats Won't Ask Or Answer

[kg6amw]

Does victory in Iraq matter? Why must American fighting forces remain indefinitely in a country that has never known democratic governance and a region that has been at war for what seems centuries? It appears the Iraqis are not interested in domestic tranquility and therefore the United States should not waste another dime or drop of American blood to quell the violence… All of these platitudes are wonderful sound bites for US politicians and graduates of journalism schools but they fall far short of considering the true importance of success in Iraq, or more critically the consequences of US failure either by true defeat or the more likely defeat being engineered by Democrats, craven Republicans and the mainstream media who unwittingly, or perhaps with full knowledge, are doing exactly what the enemy hopes they will do when they react this way. By so doing they vindicate bin Laden’s assessment of America’s endurance for a long war. #Let’s assume that the anti-war left and the American legacy media have their way and America cuts and runs as is it did in Vietnam. Forget about the devastation this will cause the morale of American fighting men and women who will once again have been sold out by politicians. Look at the likely consequences IN Iraq and around the region. What nations in the region have serious interests in Iraq? Turkey, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. What nations have interests in the region generally? What types of interests are they - survival, vital, major or peripheral? ... Hugh Hewitt

[K0RGR]

Iraq didn't become vital to our interests until the man in the White House decided to distort intelligence reports to justify an invasion.

But, now, we broke it, we bought it. We have to help to stabilize Iraq for humanitarian reasons, if nothing else. Otherwise, America will never be trusted again. Why would anybody rely on us now?

The American people should not be cheerful about it, either. The people responsible for this mess should be punished, and their followers in both parties discredited.
They have set this country back 100 years.

The U.S. may dominate the world militarily, but we must know now that we can't impose our will on anybody without their cooperation.

Before 'W', we were citizens in the leading country on Earth, moving toward global citizenship. Now, we are subjects of an imperial power. Until we get a leader who understands diplomacy, we will remain so.

[n4sva]

The above poster is absolutely correct. We should try Roosevelt's isolationism that we used in the mid to late 1930s. It was sure effective in preserving World peace.

[kg6amw]

Quote[/b] (n4sva @ Jan. 24 2007,12:45)]The above poster is absolutely correct. We should try Roosevelt's isolationism that we used in the mid to late 1930s. It was sure effective in preserving World peace.
How do we become isolationists when our economy is so important to the world? Do we give up markets and industries to accomplish this?

[n4sva]

Quote[/b] (kg6amw @ Jan. 24 2007,14:38)]Quote[/b] (n4sva @ Jan. 24 2007,12:45)]The above poster is absolutely correct. We should try Roosevelt's isolationism that we used in the mid to late 1930s. It was sure effective in preserving World peace.
How do we become isolationists when our economy is so important to the world? Do we give up markets and industries to accomplish this?
I was being sarcastic.

[wa6ccw]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Jan. 25 2007,02:28)]Before 'W', we were citizens in the leading country on Earth, moving toward global citizenship.
And therein lies the rub with the above poster and those like him...

"One World" government, anyone?

No thanks.

[k5xit]

Quote[/b] (kg6amw @ Jan. 24 2007,12:02)]Does victory in Iraq matter? Why must American fighting forces remain indefinitely in a country that has never known democratic governance and a region that has been at war for what seems centuries? It appears the Iraqis are not interested in domestic tranquility and therefore the United States should not waste another dime or drop of American blood to quell the violence… All of these platitudes are wonderful sound bites for US politicians and graduates of journalism schools but they fall far short of considering the true importance of success in Iraq, or more critically the consequences of US failure either by true defeat or the more likely defeat being engineered by Democrats, craven Republicans and the mainstream media who unwittingly, or perhaps with full knowledge, are doing exactly what the enemy hopes they will do when they react this way. By so doing they vindicate bin Laden’s assessment of America’s endurance for a long war. #Let’s assume that the anti-war left and the American legacy media have their way and America cuts and runs as is it did in Vietnam. Forget about the devastation this will cause the morale of American fighting men and women who will once again have been sold out by politicians. Look at the likely consequences IN Iraq and around the region. What nations in the region have serious interests in Iraq? Turkey, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. What nations have interests in the region generally? What types of interests are they - survival, vital, major or peripheral? ... Hugh Hewitt
There are many supposedly intelligent people that think "it will be Ok just to pull out of Iraq and it wil have no adverse effect for us" Of course they also think the UN will "save the world". You are absolutely correct!

[K2WH]

Quote[/b] (k5xit @ Jan. 24 2007,13:02)]Quote[/b] (kg6amw @ Jan. 24 2007,12:02)]Does victory in Iraq matter? Why must American fighting forces remain indefinitely in a country that has never known democratic governance and a region that has been at war for what seems centuries? It appears the Iraqis are not interested in domestic tranquility and therefore the United States should not waste another dime or drop of American blood to quell the violence… All of these platitudes are wonderful sound bites for US politicians and graduates of journalism schools but they fall far short of considering the true importance of success in Iraq, or more critically the consequences of US failure either by true defeat or the more likely defeat being engineered by Democrats, craven Republicans and the mainstream media who unwittingly, or perhaps with full knowledge, are doing exactly what the enemy hopes they will do when they react this way. By so doing they vindicate bin Laden’s assessment of America’s endurance for a long war. #Let’s assume that the anti-war left and the American legacy media have their way and America cuts and runs as is it did in Vietnam. Forget about the devastation this will cause the morale of American fighting men and women who will once again have been sold out by politicians. Look at the likely consequences IN Iraq and around the region. What nations in the region have serious interests in Iraq? Turkey, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. What nations have interests in the region generally? What types of interests are they - survival, vital, major or peripheral? ... Hugh Hewitt
There are #many supposedly intelligent people that think "it will be Ok just to pull out of Iraq and it wil have no adverse effect for us" #Of course they also think the UN will "save the world". #You are absolutely correct!
Agreed. #This war was deliberately torpedoed simply for political advantage by the democratic party and limp wristed republicans who refused or were afraid to use the power they had. #This latest resolution, just passed, is nothing more than a slap in the face of your President and the rest of the world is watching.

I have said it before, if democrats and republicans had worked together, supported this President (whether they liked him or not), we probably would have been out of Iraq by now. #I believe the only reason this war has gone the way it has, is simply because the dissenters in this country, the whiners and the cowards did nothing but encourage the enemy to continue fighting on. #It is undeniable, that an enemy would not stand a chance if this countries politicians had put their bickering and power positioning on hold, the enemy would have been defeated by now.

But, the enemy knew we would get to this point and Bin Laden was right. #He is a hero to the Muslim community.

How does it feel that Bin Laden is more highly respected than Bush? #How does it feel, that Bin Laden has made a mockery of this country? #How does it feel that we have done this to ourselves, denied a victory because selfish people just wanted a cushy chair in the congress and got it by killing this effort and are indirectly responsible for the deaths of American soldiers.

Bush handled this badly but, he had no, NO support for it either by his fellow countrymen who offered no help, no clear pathway just roadblocks. Now we have what we have. Welcome to the new world.

K2WH

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (kg6amw @ Jan. 24 2007,19:02)]Look at the likely consequences IN Iraq and around the region. What nations in the region have serious interests in Iraq? Turkey, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. What nations have interests in the region generally? What types of interests are they - survival, vital, major or peripheral? ...
Then, why should WE be the ones spending OUR money and blood, while letting all those other nations with "serious interests" off the hook?

No doubt the world is better off with Saddam out of power, with no possibility of returning. But why is it OUR place to police the region? How many troops has Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and other nations with &quot;interests&quot;, including continental Europe, sent in to risk life and limb? How much crippling debt have those other nations taken on to assure &quot;<s>democracy</s> stability&quot; in Iraq?

And this even goes for our close ally, the United Kingdom. Compare the ratio of British troop numbers and war expenditures to the UK population and GDP, with the ratio of US troop numbers and our war expenditures to our population and GDP.

No wonder the French, Germans and Russians are privately laughing their arses off, saying &quot;we told you so.&quot;

[WF7A]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Jan. 24 2007,04:28)]But, now, we broke it, we bought it. We have to help to stabilize Iraq for humanitarian reasons, if nothing else. Otherwise, America will never be trusted again.
The Arabs have a saying, &quot;A guest should not arrive uninvited, nor should he leave uninvited.&quot;

Yup, we broke it so now it's up to us to make amends by &quot;fixing&quot; things...the only problem is nobody wants our help or us around to do that. :S

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (kg6amw @ Jan. 24 2007,12:02)]What nations in the region have serious interests in Iraq? Turkey, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Jordan.
It absolutely amazes me you failed to mention Israel. It is one of the major reasons we're there in Iraq.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Jan. 24 2007,17:34)]How does it feel that Bin Laden is more highly respected than Bush? #How does it feel, that Bin Laden has made a mockery of this country? #
it's called just desserts.

Oh...and by the way: When that pimple @ss W says &quot;it's of the utmost importance we do not fail in Iraq&quot; he is absolutely correct. Problem is he already has failed.

[kk7ue]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 24 2007,20:33)]It absolutely amazes me you failed to mention Israel. It is one of the major reasons we're there in Iraq.
Didnt take long for that to come up, did it? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (kk7ue @ Jan. 24 2007,20:43)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 24 2007,20:33)]It absolutely amazes me you failed to mention Israel. It is one of the major reasons we're there in Iraq.
Didnt take long for that to come up, did it? # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
That's how it is when you are anti-semitic.

[kk7ue]

wow that must suck

[n2nh]

What does 'success' have to do with the Democrats? This is Bush's war. It always has been. At one time, not too long ago, the Generals needed the troops. He fired them. Now, he admits to not committing enough troops when the Generals say they won't make a difference. So, he fires them. He says he'll listen to the Generals then when he asks them, if he gets an answer he doesn't want to hear, he fires them.

Yep. Dismal Failure. Does success matter? Ask the Decider - it's been his war all along. But don't expect an honest answer.

[KE4FES]

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[KE4FES]

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[W8EFA]

Quote[/b] ]I have said it before, if democrats and republicans had worked together, supported this President (whether they liked him or not), we probably would have been out of Iraq by now. #I believe the only reason this war has gone the way it has, is simply because the dissenters in this country, the whiners and the cowards did nothing but encourage the enemy to continue fighting on. #It is undeniable, that an enemy would not stand a chance if this countries politicians had put their bickering and power positioning on hold, the enemy would have been defeated by now.

That is the dumbest, most unaware, unrealistic, #most moronic paragraph I think I have ever read. #For most people I would laugh and say you can't truly believe that, but sadly in your case I know you believe #this ridiculous scenario you have made up in your own mind.

It is sad that you don't know that Shiites are killing Sunnis and it has not a darn thing to do with dissension in the US. You don't have a clue!

[KE4FES]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif CLINTON , lied about his sex affair and the Republican Congress wanted to impeach him.[no one died] . Bush lied to start his war, thousands have died, his Republican Congress has never suggested impeaching him, [nor has the Democrats] ! Bush continues to lie but he's still in charge. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
that's equality ? of course it is possible that the VP
MIGHT BE WORSE, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
Our worse enemies are in our Executive Branch , a rotten self serving political bunch . Worse we have ever had.

charlie

[w8jas]

it is time to pack up the C5A's, head west and let the Islamic extremists have thier way and put the entire Middle East back into the 6th Century but this time, with world destroying weapons.

The only problem is that they will not stop at the high water mark, they will want to convert us to the 6th Century too.

[KE4FES]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # about posts referring to wars in Iraq for a long time. They have been warring since #&quot;CREATION&quot; #read the early books in the BIBLES . Even GOD commanded they kill each other, EVEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN. Where have you people been ? Asleep , had a hang over Sunday mornings ? Heard of MOSES , DAVID &amp; OTHERS ? GUESS NOT ! IRAQ, is a &quot; recent name&quot; in history .

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charlie

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Jan. 25 2007,00:34)]But, the enemy knew we would get to this point and Bin Laden was right. He is a hero to the Muslim community.
Perhaps we should be grateful to him. Remember, his rag-tag outfit took down the Soviet Union.

[K6UEY]

I am amazed at the intelligence displayed on QRZ, some have never attended High School yet they make noise like they have graduated from the War College.
Next war fire all the generals ,just come to QRZ to plan the strategy....................... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Outside of Congress Never have so many displayed so little,trying to influence the Nation!!

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Jan. 24 2007,23:52)]I am amazed at the intelligence displayed on QRZ, some have never attended High School yet they make noise like they have graduated from the War College.
Next war fire all the generals ,just come to QRZ to plan the strategy....................... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Outside of Congress Never have so many displayed so little,trying to influence the Nation!!
Bush does a good enough job of firing generals. Especially when they don't tell hi what he wants to hear.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Jan. 24 2007,17:34)]Quote[/b] (k5xit @ Jan. 24 2007,13:02)]Quote[/b] (kg6amw @ Jan. 24 2007,12:02)]Does victory in Iraq matter? Why must American fighting forces remain indefinitely in a country that has never known democratic governance and a region that has been at war for what seems centuries? It appears the Iraqis are not interested in domestic tranquility and therefore the United States should not waste another dime or drop of American blood to quell the violence… All of these platitudes are wonderful sound bites for US politicians and graduates of journalism schools but they fall far short of considering the true importance of success in Iraq, or more critically the consequences of US failure either by true defeat or the more likely defeat being engineered by Democrats, craven Republicans and the mainstream media who unwittingly, or perhaps with full knowledge, are doing exactly what the enemy hopes they will do when they react this way. By so doing they vindicate bin Laden’s assessment of America’s endurance for a long war. Let’s assume that the anti-war left and the American legacy media have their way and America cuts and runs as is it did in Vietnam. Forget about the devastation this will cause the morale of American fighting men and women who will once again have been sold out by politicians. Look at the likely consequences IN Iraq and around the region. What nations in the region have serious interests in Iraq? Turkey, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. What nations have interests in the region generally? What types of interests are they - survival, vital, major or peripheral? ... Hugh Hewitt
There are many supposedly intelligent people that think &quot;it will be Ok just to pull out of Iraq and it wil have no adverse effect for us&quot; Of course they also think the UN will &quot;save the world&quot;. You are absolutely correct!
Agreed. This war was deliberately torpedoed simply for political advantage by the democratic party and limp wristed republicans who refused or were afraid to use the power they had. This latest resolution, just passed, is nothing more than a slap in the face of your President and the rest of the world is watching.

I have said it before, if democrats and republicans had worked together, supported this President (whether they liked him or not), we probably would have been out of Iraq by now. I believe the only reason this war has gone the way it has, is simply because the dissenters in this country, the whiners and the cowards did nothing but encourage the enemy to continue fighting on. It is undeniable, that an enemy would not stand a chance if this countries politicians had put their bickering and power positioning on hold, the enemy would have been defeated by now.

But, the enemy knew we would get to this point and Bin Laden was right. He is a hero to the Muslim community.

How does it feel that Bin Laden is more highly respected than Bush? How does it feel, that Bin Laden has made a mockery of this country? How does it feel that we have done this to ourselves, denied a victory because selfish people just wanted a cushy chair in the congress and got it by killing this effort and are indirectly responsible for the deaths of American soldiers.

Bush handled this badly but, he had no, NO support for it either by his fellow countrymen who offered no help, no clear pathway just roadblocks. Now we have what we have. Welcome to the new world.

K2WH
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have said it before, if democrats and republicans had worked together, supported this President (whether they liked him or not), we probably would have been out of Iraq by now.


They did support him. And Americans continued to die. And lots more Iraquis died. Then the reality came out that the excuses and reasons the administration gave for this war were all phony. Yet Americans continue to die. Now people are not buying it anymore. It's getting hard to sell to republicans let alone anyone else.

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I believe the only reason this war has gone the way it has, is simply because the dissenters in this country, the whiners and the cowards did nothing but encourage the enemy to continue fighting on. It is undeniable, that an enemy would not stand a chance if this countries politicians had put their bickering and power positioning on hold, the enemy would have been defeated by now.


The only reason this war went the way it did is because it was started to begin with. Now we are caught between a civil war between two rival religious factions who hate each other, both who hate us, and the administration is still trying to convince Americans that it's worth sending your kids over there to get shot at and run into roadside bombs.

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How does it feel that Bin Laden is more highly respected than Bush? How does it feel, that Bin Laden has made a mockery of this country? How does it feel that we have done this to ourselves, denied a victory because selfish people just wanted a cushy chair in the congress and got it by killing this effort and are indirectly responsible for the deaths of American soldiers.


In all liklihood bin Laden was always more respected among his followers, Beyond his followers I don;t think anyone has much respect for him. The victory would have been to have captured bin laden and brought him to justice for his role in the attacks on the US. But instead the administration lied their way into a &quot;war&quot; in Iraq. The people who are selfish are the ones who perpetrated this war. The people who were selfish during Vietnam were the ones who perpetrated and accelerated that unjust and unessesary war.

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Bush handled this badly but, he had no, NO support for it either by his fellow countrymen who offered no help, no clear pathway just roadblocks. Now we have what we have. Welcome to the new world.


He had plenty of support.

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Jan. 25 2007,03:43)]Quote[/b] ]
Bush handled this badly but, he had no, NO support for it either by his fellow countrymen who offered no help, no clear pathway just roadblocks. Now we have what we have. Welcome to the new world.


He had plenty of support.
All the support a rubber stamp Congress could give. Why not just ask, &quot;Who Coulda Forseen?&quot;

New Year. Same KoolAid.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (kk7ue @ Jan. 24 2007,20:56)]wow # that must suck
Shouldn't you be watching the puppet show with the kitty cat and the bunny rabbit? There is a hidden, politically correct, mind wash message in it for you from the masters of disguise.

Letting them do the thinking for you is what really sucks.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Jan. 24 2007,23:52)]I am amazed at the intelligence displayed on QRZ, some have never attended High School yet they make noise like they have graduated from the War College.
Next war fire all the generals ,just come to QRZ to plan the strategy....................... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Outside of Congress Never have so many displayed so little,trying to influence the Nation!!
Did you get the call right? Sounds like a W0PEE post to me.

[W2ILP]

It takes two sides to make a war. #The wrong side and the wronger side. #All wars are inhumane and the possibility of using modern weapons of mass destruction in wars is horrifying. #Therefore everything possible must be done to prevent wars by diplomatic means. #The large death tolls of WW1 and even WW2, when we count those humans killed on all sides is staggering...but future wars could be worse. #This leaves little choice but political isolationism of all nations. #Which means no more nation building...no more spreading of democracy or capitalism or imperialism or religions by force or by threat. #No more taking of others' lands or unethically exploiting of outhers' resorces or human labor and above all...no more elected leaders who talk to God and believe that they are ominipodent.

w2ilp (I Live Presently)...I hope that every American can live a normal lifespan in the future and nobody loses their medicare or social security payments... so that our nation can afford to bomb other nations with our taxpayer money or pay back what it borrowed from economically competing nations without interest.

[K2WH]

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Jan. 24 2007,17:35)]Quote[/b] ]I have said it before, if democrats and republicans had worked together, supported this President (whether they liked him or not), we probably would have been out of Iraq by now. #I believe the only reason this war has gone the way it has, is simply because the dissenters in this country, the whiners and the cowards did nothing but encourage the enemy to continue fighting on. #It is undeniable, that an enemy would not stand a chance if this countries politicians had put their bickering and power positioning on hold, the enemy would have been defeated by now.

That is the dumbest, most unaware, unrealistic, #most moronic paragraph I think I have ever read. #For most people I would laugh and say you can't truly believe that, but sadly in your case I know you believe #this ridiculous scenario you have made up in your own mind.

It is sad that you don't know that Shiites are killing Sunnis and it has not a darn thing to do with dissension in the US. #You don't have a clue!
And its a pity you cant read what I wrote. I said we are still in this war because of the lack of support from home and the complete politization of the war. I don't care what the ####es and shotes are doing to each other.

I said the lack of home support is causing our extended stay in Iraq and has emboldened our enemy (whomever it is), to fight harder to get us out sooner. Even a moron can understand that. Do you understand now?

K2WH

[KB9YFI]

Q: Just exactly where in Iraq is Osama bin Laden hiding?

You've got me why the Demoncrats haven't asked this of the Republicrooks.

[kc7jty]

Binny is holed up at W's ranch in Crawford, TX.

They probably know he is in Pakistan but figure he wouldn't be worth the squabble that would start if they went in after him.

[kk7ue]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 25 2007,09:21)]Quote[/b] (kk7ue @ Jan. 24 2007,20:56)]wow # that must suck
Shouldn't you be watching the puppet show with the kitty cat and the bunny rabbit? There is a hidden, politically correct, #mind wash message in it for you from the masters of disguise.

Letting them do the thinking for you is what really sucks.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif who is them, the Israelis?

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (kk7ue @ Jan. 26 2007,19:42)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 25 2007,09:21)]Quote[/b] (kk7ue @ Jan. 24 2007,20:56)]wow # that must suck
Shouldn't you be watching the puppet show with the kitty cat and the bunny rabbit? There is a hidden, politically correct, #mind wash message in it for you from the masters of disguise.

Letting them do the thinking for you is what really sucks.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #who is them, the Israelis?
We can't go there Nellie. Too many here can't handle the truth.

Just keep thinking you are going to heaven and your support of the modern day state of Israel is the cause of it, and all will be well (in your own mind).

Read my signature line.

[KB9YFI]

So, there ARE peckerwoods in the ARS. I guess the world is infested with them so I shouldn't be surprised.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 27 2007,09:58)]So, there ARE peckerwoods in the ARS. #I guess the world is infested with them so I shouldn't be surprised.
Could you be just a wee bit more specific?

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 27 2007,09:58)]So, there ARE peckerwoods in the ARS. #
Were your ancestors treated poorly by slave owners or something?

[KB9YFI]

No, I don't know anyone that was around in the mid-19th century.

But I have talked to quite a few people who were treated very poorly by the authorities in Europe in the 1940's.

These same peckerwoods deny that ever happened too. If you want to align yourself with that crowd, just go ahead. We shall know the tree by its fruit.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 29 2007,10:35)]No, I don't know anyone that was around in the mid-19th century.

But I have talked to quite a few people who were treated very poorly by the authorities in Europe in the 1940's. #

These same peckerwoods deny that ever happened too. #If you want to align yourself with that crowd, just go ahead. #We shall know the tree by its fruit.
Thanks for your reply.

I thought perhaps the thread came upon a berm that was impassable but you have clarified the situation for me.

Now I am having difficulty with your use of the word &quot;too&quot;, but it's OK. I know enough now to let it all pass.

Tell me....how are your heroes: George W Bush, Diane Ibbotson, and the propaganda masters of political correctness doing?
Must be nice to have every little thing layed out in front of you in black and white, by those most capable of such a difficult task, so you never have to think.

[KB9YFI]

You presume way too much. I'm not a conservative, nor am I &quot;politically correct.&quot; And as far as W is I'm concerned, we should Impeach, Indite, convict, and hand over to the Hague for further PROCESSING

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 29 2007,11:47)]You presume way too much. #I'm not a conservative, nor am I &quot;politically correct.&quot; #And as far as W is I'm concerned, we should Impeach, Indite, convict, and hand over to the Hague for further PROCESSING
Bless you my son. May you find everlasting salvation and happiness in the bossom of the Lord.

If I was to attend one of those anti-war rallies I'd want to carry a sign that says:
DUMP ISRAEL

[KC4HGH]

Quote[/b] (wa6ccw @ Jan. 24 2007,16:12)]Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Jan. 25 2007,02:28)]Before 'W', we were citizens in the leading country on Earth, moving toward global citizenship.
And therein lies the rub with the above poster and those like him...

&quot;One World&quot; government, anyone?

No thanks.
Many, many of us say the same thing: &quot;No thanks!&quot;

I like living in a sovereign republic with borders; both the form of government and the borders need to be strengthened &amp; enforced.

[KB9YFI]

Im against aid to Israel too. Against aiding all other countries. If you want to send money to Israel, or even Iran -go ahead. But we should not be spending tax money from US citizens on it.

Israel should be able to fend for itself the way it sees fit. If I were them I'd nuke a 50-mile stretch of no-man's land from the boarder and fill it with tank traps, booby traps, scorpions, mines -and anything bigger than a scorpion that moves in there gets automatic sattelite-guided artillery dropped on it.

But hey, it's their country. I don't live there. None of my business -just an idea.

Neither should we be be involved with the UN in any way. One world government is an awful idea. The comment I said above was a bit tongue in cheek. W shouldn't be sent to a UN court any more than any other US citizen -even if it is Funny as all get-out to think about it.

I think Micheal Bolton with the big eyebrows has the right Idea about the UN. Raze the building and send them all packing. Free lunch is over.

[wa8rti]

To N4SVA: you need to look into FDR and isolationism of the 1930's #He was not really an isolationist but America was and one of the foremost spokesmen for the 'America First' movement was Charles A. Lindburgh. #There was a great disillusionment over the failure of WW1 to really #be the war to end all wars and the vast majority of Americans wanted no part in doing anything on the world scene. Had England, France, and America stopped Hitler when he invaded the Rhineland, there never would have been a WW2. #There may be lessons to be learned from that time in history, but that FDR was an isolationist and that that was a cause of WW2 is not one of them.

[KB9YFI]

HAHA

Talking about getting things on box-tops. What cereal box did you mail in to get your History degree?

Mine came from the UW Madison History Department after 6 years of study. I did my Thesis on the Spanish Civil War

FDR's Isolationism did NOT lay the groundwork for the power vacuum that led rise to Hitler's supporters (note that I did NOT say led to Hitler's control -he was merely a product of popular sentiment. If you could build a time machine and go back and kill baby Hitler it would not have changed much -someone else would have been their leader)

The Foundations of WW2 were poured while the Kaiser still fought and while US imperialism was getting it's first taste of the kill.

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 29 2007,14:24)]I think Micheal Bolton with the big eyebrows has the right Idea about the UN. Raze the building and send them all packing. Free lunch is over.
Hahahahahaha.

It's JOHN Bolton.


Hahahahaha.

[KB9YFI]

You can't BE that dense can you?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

It's a FREAKING JOKE Go back and READ IT AGAIN.

It doesn't get any better than when he sings, When a man loves a woman

Christ.

[KD6NIG]

Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 29 2007,12:24)]Im against aid to Israel too. #Against aiding all other countries. #If you want to send money to Israel, or even Iran -go ahead. #But we should not be spending tax money from US citizens on it.

Israel should be able to fend for itself the way it sees fit. #If I were them I'd nuke a 50-mile stretch of no-man's land from the boarder and fill it with tank traps, booby traps, scorpions, mines -and anything bigger than a scorpion that moves in there gets automatic sattelite-guided artillery dropped on it.

But hey, it's their country. #I don't live there. #None of my business -just an idea.

Neither should we be be involved with the UN in any way. #One world government is an awful idea. #The comment I said above was a bit tongue in cheek. #W shouldn't be sent to a UN court any more than any other US citizen -even if it is Funny as all get-out to think about it.

I think Micheal Bolton with the big eyebrows has the right Idea about the UN. #Raze the building and send them all packing. #Free lunch is over.
I'm against aiding others until we take care of our own properly. In cases of disaster we should assist, but only within our means.

We're building a major deficit due to this conflict, but in this case we're funding OUR military and OUR citizens in said military.

I think part of the reason people don't help themselves in many cases anymore is because we help them. Helping them to be self-sufficent and setting a deadline for aid to end would probably benefit everyone in the long run.

This world savior stuff, though noble, needs to stop. We need to take care of ourselves first, then help people with what we have left. The average person, though willing to help, likely wouldn't overextend themselves to the extent we do to help people. If we do help people, then people we don't help complain, and many times even the people we do help complain about something too.

Yeah its cruel, and its bound to draw me ridicule-but if we can help everyone else, we should be able to help ourselves. I don't know about you, but when I hear about shelters needing donations to get people in from the cold when we had our recent freeze here, I wonder why they need donations. We should be able to help our own in those kind of situations.

So the democrats will have to be creative. They need to fund our own people over there for their well being, BUT they also have to fufill the obligation of &quot;we'll bring them back home.&quot; It will be an interesting connundrum.

But once they do, I think we seriously need to look at some of the places we send money and the reasons why that money is better spent elsewhere instead of helping our own citizens here at home.

I'm not counting on it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Jan. 29 2007,13:17)]Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 29 2007,14:24)]I think Micheal Bolton with the big eyebrows has the right Idea about the UN. #Raze the building and send them all packing. #Free lunch is over.
Hahahahahaha.

It's JOHN Bolton.


Hahahahaha.
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[KB9YFI]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 29 2007,21:38)]Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Jan. 29 2007,13:17)]Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 29 2007,14:24)]I think Micheal Bolton with the big eyebrows has the right Idea about the UN. Raze the building and send them all packing. Free lunch is over.
Hahahahahaha.

It's JOHN Bolton.


Hahahahaha.
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For a guy who believes there is a Jewish conspiracy hidden deep below the surface in the Loony Tunes cartoons, you sure can't read between the lines of an &quot;Office Space&quot; Joke on Ambassador Bolton very well...

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 30 2007,07:03)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 29 2007,21:38)]Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Jan. 29 2007,13:17)]Quote[/b] (KB9YFI @ Jan. 29 2007,14:24)]I think Micheal Bolton with the big eyebrows has the right Idea about the UN. #Raze the building and send them all packing. #Free lunch is over.
Hahahahahaha.

It's JOHN Bolton.


Hahahahaha.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
For a guy who believes there is a Jewish conspiracy hidden deep below the surface in the Loony Tunes cartoons, you sure can't read between the lines of an &quot;Office Space&quot; Joke on Ambassador Bolton very well...
I'm not getting my material from the Loony Tunes.
......and I love the use of the word conspiracy by you American Jew apologists.

[W2ILP]

The U.S. does not realize the religious cohesion of all Muslims...even #those who kill each other. #All of them agree that the U.S. is a nation of infidels, since it includes Christians and Jews. #In every Muslim nation there are rebels who are against the U.S. and Israel, since they feel threatened by the U.S. and Israel now more than ever because of what we have tried to do in Iraq.
All of the Muslim nations have rebel groups that are anti-American and anti-Israel, even when their national leaders are prospering by the oil trade. #Thus there is instability and our invasion of Iraq has made it worse and in my humble opinion expanding military force in Iraq will make it even more disastrous...because Iran and other nations will join in creating wars of various sub groups and all will be against the U.S....even those we train and pay. #We need not pay Iraqis to kill each other...They seem to volunteer to do just that themselves...and this confuses us because we can't tell who we should arm and who we should imprison. # In my opinion this would be the best time to leave Iraq...before we get forced to fight Iran as well.

I think that if the U.S. was ever invaded by a super power, Canada and Mexico would join us in fighting back. I can't understand those who think that the neighbors of Iraq won't be fighting us ...especially if it ever looks like we might win...They don't want a democratic Iraq for a neighbor anymore than Canada or Mexico would welcome Muslims who want to educate Americans in their ways and culture.

w2ilp (Isolationists Like Peace)...Lets face it the U.S. can no longer control the world...even by threatening with nuclear bombs.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Jan. 30 2007,21:39)]They don't want a democratic Iraq for a neighbor anymore than Canada or Mexico would welcome Muslims who want to educate Americans in their ways and culture.
isn't it amazing how the standard issue American dolt has absolutely no hope of ever grasping this?

They only know that we are the good guys.
Lets go all you PATRIOTS, support your government's putting their fingers into everyone elses pie world wide, then cry foul when they respond negatively to it.
duh