Group: ExxonMobil Paid to Mislead Public

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Quote[/b] ]ExxonMobil Corp. gave $16 million to 43 ideological groups between 1998 and 2005 in a coordinated effort to mislead the public by discrediting the science behind global warming, the Union of Concerned Scientists asserted Wednesday.

The report by the science-based nonprofit advocacy group mirrors similar claims by Britain's leading scientific academy. Last September, The Royal Society wrote the oil company asking it to halt support for groups that "misrepresented the science of climate change."

[G0GQK]

Big money or no big money it isn't going to change anything is it.? There are huge lumps of ice as big as Newfoundland breaking off the coast of Antarctica and the Austrians and Swiss are realising their skiing resorts soon won't be ! Exxon wasting money won't make one iota of difference

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[KE5FRF]

OOOOHH.

Can't let this thread go without comment. Surprised?

I work for a big oil company, the name of which I will not mention in this thread. No, I don't pump gas at a service station, TYVM. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Said oil company has made every effort to engineer breakthrough technologies to help in major oil spills since a particularly big one they happened to be responsible for occured.

Said oil company is not a charity, it is a capitalist venture, so why would we expect them to behave like a charity?
Yet, they spend a pretty big hunk every year on research to make the air we breath cleaner and to cut down on the pollution they help contribute to. In fact, they go above and beyond their legal responsibilities in that regard.

I don't blame THEM for the pollution. They are simply a supplier of a product the world demands. As long as they operate within the law, what is wrong with that?

Now, I'm not going to be all perfume and flowers about this company. They are a business and operate as such. I'm quite certain they make political moves to position themselves in the global economy that may seem arrogant or underhanded. But I have had a very strong impression of this company in my years of service that they operate with integrity and legally. And again, often they surpass the requirements imposed upon them.

This allegation by this "neutral" group...whatever...may or may not be true. However, I think their allegations are pretty vague. How exactly DID they mislead the public? And how is it misleading to discredit the science of global warming when there are credible scientists who offer differing theories?

I mean, if someone came along with a theory that said "all ham radio operators are nerds"...I think its pretty evident that many of us are, but I think I could easily refute the statement by finding some hams that aren't nerdy at all. Ultimately, the statement might largely be true, but what is wrong with questioning it and looking for alternative answers?

It only behooves Exxonmobil to seek alternative explanations if there is credible evidence that altrenatives exhist. It helps to keep their name in good standing with the public. Would we expect them to publicly announce they are "evil" and want the world to be polluted with carcinogens? Hell no, They are doing what is expected of them. Anyone would do the same.

And why is it that liberals think the discussion about global warming is over and done with? Are we claiming that we know everything there is to know and can't learn new facts (or correct prior misconceptions)?

Every issue needs to be analyzed from different angles, it helps to keep one agenda from running amok and leveraging power over others.

I am frankly tired of the media doing everything in its power to ruin a successful company. What is it, jealousy?

[n4sva]

Here is some info on the so-called "Union of Concerned Scientists":

Link (http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/145)

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ Jan. 08 2007,15:24)]I am frankly tired of the media doing everything in its power to ruin a successful company. What is it, jealousy?
Great powers, including big companies need to be held to a higher standard, as malfeasance on their part can be broadly detrimental to human life and health (my moral standard). to that extent, a little media scrutiny is a positive thing if done wit dispassionate accuracy.

Unfortunately, rationally dealing with such issues is often difficult due to rampant leftist hate/suspicion of big business, which is usually followed by a knee-jerk right-wing defense of business behavior that is often quite indefensible.

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Jan. 08 2007,18:43)]Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ Jan. 08 2007,15:24)]I am frankly tired of the media doing everything in its power to ruin a successful company. What is it, jealousy?
Great powers, including big companies need to be held to a higher standard, as malfeasance on their part can be broadly detrimental to human life and health (my moral standard). to that extent, a little media scrutiny is a positive thing if done wit dispassionate accuracy.

Unfortunately, rationally dealing with such issues is often difficult due to rampant leftist hate/suspicion of big business, which is usually followed by a knee-jerk right-wing defense of business behavior that is often quite indefensible.
You're just saying that because you work for those other guys! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K6UEY]

KE5FRF,
Heath,I am not employed by Exxon / Mobil but for my own edification I have listen to speeches and watched televised Interviews of the chairman of the Board #at EXXON.

I was quite surprised at how much I was unaware of, #that #EXXON does over and above what a normal company would be required.

The financial expenditures of the company in exploration of the product to investigating new areas to supply energy to the public.

It opened my eyes to the extent I use exclusively my EXXON credit card to gas up my SUV. I figure it is my little bit that I can do to help them benefit the World.

I hear the general public bad mouthing EXXON and other large oil companies and it saddens me that they could still be so ignorant of the real world.Of course the known bias of the news organizations only help to fan the fire.

If you work for EXXON you can be proud to be part of a company that has the consumer and the country at heart.
And at the same time justify to it's investors and still supply a paycheck that helps boost the economy of the country. # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #We NEED MORE companies like EXXON/ MOBIL.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (n4sva @ Jan. 08 2007,16:25)]Here is some info on the so-called "Union of Concerned Scientists":

Link (http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/145)
Uh.... excuse me... Your link points to a page hosted by "activistcash.com". As it turns out they are a front group for the tobacco lobby and other big business interests. Seems now they have tagged the oil industry to their list. Meanwhile "activistcash.com" keeps their funding sources well hidden. Hmmm... wonder what they're hiding ?? I'd take anything they have to say about global warming with a grain of salt and stick with real science.

Linque (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ActivistCash)

[W2ILP]

Yes the oil companies are businesses and they as all businesses operate to make a profit.

There are various ways that a business...particularly a big business, that can price fix with its few big competitors, can manipulate final prices and thus final profits. There can be ways to control the flow of gas to the pumps of America in such a way as to create what appear to be shortages and thus raise prices. At the same time sufficient gas can be available for all who are willing to pay the price and contribute to the maximum flow of profit. Unfortunately gas for the vehicles of America is not a luxury...for if it was, this game of maximizing profit, in spite of supply or production availability or alleged storage reserve problems could not exist.

In my opinion the oil companies don't need to lobby because they pollute...Nope... In my opinion pollution is not a big problem (I don't blame oil production or tanker delivery for global warming). What the oil companies are doing to keep Americans in the barrel economically is the crime...and it goes far into the history of the creation of OPEC and how the oil prices are established as well as how oil is processed and delivered..These are the economic factors that involve political conspiracies that have given the oil industries windfall profits while the average American pays. Both Federal and State politicians are to blame for not fully investigating the entire oil industry as much as they would investigate the shoe, textile or fur industries if they could get away with such macro economic pranks....which they can't.

w2ilp (Industries Like Profits)...and the big oil industries are the ones who grease the politicians the most.

[K3XR]

Did you say mislead??

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpa....rl=http (http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/01/the_oil_price_weapon.html)

[wa6ccw]

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[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Jan. 20 2007,07:16)]Did you say mislead??

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpa....rl=http (http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/01/the_oil_price_weapon.html)
The very fact that the article you linked to starts with the statement "a number of leftists" says a mouthful right there. I guess it is okay to say "a number of fascists" when referring to conservatives. The reality is that some economists speculated a possible price rebound after the election. of course they had no definite insight into the outcome of the election since any such speculation came before the election. Nor did anyone have any way of predicting a milder than normal winter in areas of high fuel consumption. However, nobody predicted a definate price rebound as the article implies. Of course the article also implies that right wing fascists in all liklihood view anyone with any kind of a college education as being leftists so therefore any educated decision or interpretation be it economical, political or scientific automagically comes from the left. In any event it's fun to play the twist it, mold it, spin it game.

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Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ Jan. 08 2007,16:24)]OOOOHH.

Can't let this thread go without comment. Surprised?

I work for a big oil company, the name of which I will not mention in this thread. No, I don't pump gas at a service station, TYVM. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Are you trying logic again? By the way, I applaud you for your well thought out words in defence of common sense. Most intellectual, non-liberals, will understand and agree with what you said. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[w2amr]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Jan. 08 2007,17:50)]KE5FRF,
Heath,I am not employed by Exxon / Mobil but for my own edification I have listen to speeches and watched televised Interviews of the chairman of the Board #at EXXON.

I was quite surprised at how much I was unaware of, #that #EXXON does over and above what a normal company would be required.

The financial expenditures of the company in exploration of the product to investigating new areas to supply energy to the public.

It opened my eyes to the extent I use exclusively my EXXON credit card to gas up my SUV. I figure it is my little bit that I can do to help them benefit the World.

I hear the general public bad mouthing EXXON and other large oil companies and it saddens me that they could still be so ignorant of the real world.Of course the known bias of the news organizations only help to fan the fire.

If you work for EXXON you can be proud to be part of a company that has the consumer and the country at heart.
And at the same time justify to it's investors and still supply a paycheck that helps boost the economy of the country. # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #We NEED MORE companies like EXXON/ MOBIL.
http://portal.unesco.org/education/en/file_download.php/74f21909d3e28c13a1142d9c488aa6a2Exxon+Valdez+oil+s pill+frame.jpg