Alabama Ham Protest Home Owners Assoc. [Archive]

kg4rpe

01-05-2007, 04:20 PM

Wayne Spires (KF4BJT), a Wetumpka, AL ham is now sitting perched a top his 68 foot radio tower behind his house in protest of a judges ruling forcing him to become a part of a homeowners association. He says that 20 years ago when he bought the property located along the river that it was listed as unrestricted. He has been atop the tower for about three or four days and says he will not come down until his next court date which is scheduled for Feb. 5th.

The nationaly syndicated radio team Rick and Bubba out of WZZK 104.7 in Birmingham, AL interviewed Mr. Spires, his wife, and a daughter live by phone this morning. They also talked yesterday by phone to the sheriff who said as long as Mr. Spires does not try to hurt himself or somebody else his department will not interfere. William "Bubba" Bussey (KJ4JJ) the co-host of Rick and Bubba, explained on yesterday's show the importance ham radio can play in a time of emergency and the importance for good towers for hams to own and use. (Bubba is a very active ham and promotes it often on their program.)

His family as well as other neighbors, friends, and hams all are sending their support to him.

Montgomerry Advertiser Report (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070104/NEWS01/701040334)

WSFA TV 12 Report (http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=5883357&nav=0RdM)

kf4vgx

01-07-2007, 09:07 PM

We admire people we have never met ,in situations like this.

We hear you Wayne . But please be careful.

At 61 years of age. Be safe .
Lets hope this stance ends quickly .

wa3vjb

01-07-2007, 09:18 PM

I thought this was perhaps a ruling that would have made the guy take down his tower. Nope. Has nothing to do with ham radio.

Instead it appears he owes $1500 as part of an agreement he made in the neighborhood where they all pay for their own road work, not the county or other local government.

There might be a sub-plot, according to bloggers, where a rich guy has bought several lots and now "calls the shots" as to these assessments by holding more votes than single-lot owners.

Blog details FWIW (https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=30941191&postID=8111848969718150602)

KC2PFV

01-07-2007, 10:32 PM

Sounds like a wacko to me. I hope he moves around, blood clots can form in a few hours if you don't move and are in a weird position such as on a tower.

w0nbp

01-07-2007, 11:27 PM

Whatever happened to 'personal freedom', 'justice for all' and all the other phrases I was taught in class in high schhool? I would bet that if the 'real' reason were brought to light it would be some individual who has an agenda against Wayne. I certainly hope he has a good attorney and I, for one, will be rooting for his winning this one. Don't know if I would climb my tower in protest, but more power to him...

de W0NBP
Bill

W7ASA

01-07-2007, 11:48 PM

In northern Idaho, we'd have considered it more fun to put the judge at the top of the tower until he changes his mind. This being January - we'd expect a speedy ruling.

RadioRay ..._ ._

wa6itf

01-07-2007, 11:54 PM

Sorry to burst your collective bubbles, but our reporter David Black, KB4KCH, spoke to Robert W. Spires, KF4BJT, and he is NOT the tower-sitting protester. He told David that there are only two families named Spires in that city, and he is not the one involved.

Actually, it is now beginning to look as if the protester is not a ham and is likely sitting on a tower used for television reception. Out in the hinterlands, having a 70' or even a 120' high tower with a TV antenna atop it is not unuual.

The other possibilities: CB antenna support or a volunteer in a service lile fire or police. But at the moment, the chance that this Wayne Spires is a ham seems exceedingly slim.

de
Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF
ARNewsline, Inc.
http://www.arnewsline.org
Since 1976 - The Leading Provider Of Hobby Communications News

n9vo

01-08-2007, 01:40 AM

KI4ITV

01-08-2007, 02:14 AM

Quote[/b] (wa6itf @ Jan. 07 2007,11:54)]Sorry to burst your collective bubbles, but our reporter David Black, KB4KCH, spoke to Robert W. Spires, KF4BJT, and he is NOT the tower-sitting protester. He told David that there are only two families named Spires in that city, and he is not the one involved.

Actually, it is now beginning to look as if the protester is not a ham and is likely sitting on a tower used for television reception. Out in the hinterlands, having a 70' or even a 120' high tower with a TV antenna atop it is not unuual.

The other possibilities: CB antenna support or a volunteer in a service lile fire or police. But at the moment, the chance that this Wayne Spires is a ham seems exceedingly slim.

de
Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF
ARNewsline, Inc.
http://www.arnewsline.org
Since 1976 - The Leading Provider Of Hobby Communications News
Note to self:
Don't do anything that may be remotely embarrasing to the in crowd, or they may write you off.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

kf6snj

01-08-2007, 02:37 AM

Doing an FCC ULS search gave these results:

WPTV745 Spires, Dewayne A 0005953005 ZA Active 12/27/2011

Incidentally, this guy lives in NH. Somehow I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the guy sitting atop his is CBer.

n4sva

01-08-2007, 02:41 AM

KI4PEQ

01-08-2007, 03:03 AM

Quote[/b] (KC2PFV @ Jan. 07 2007,16:32)]Sounds like a wacko to me. I hope he moves around, blood clots can form in a few hours if you don't move and are in a weird position such as on a tower.
About your signature line...since when do amateurs "broadcast"?

Operating a station would be a more accurate description.

No offense is intended, but I know that I won't be the only one who will notice.

VE3HBD

01-08-2007, 04:40 AM

Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 07 2007,20:03)]About your signature line...since when do amateurs "broadcast"?

Operating a station would be a more accurate description.

No offense is intended, but I know that I won't be the only one who will notice.
Oh, come on........

Must we as hams struggle to find an argument everywhere?

No wonder this hobby is dying.

K4HSM

01-08-2007, 05:39 AM

One photo from his FLICKR photo album (http://www.flickr.com/photos/waynespires/349312843/)

Looks like a Moonraker IV CB antenna.

Rest of the album (http://www.flickr.com/photos/waynespires/)

Video of story, last one on list. (http://www.wsfa.com/Global/Category.asp?C=1190)

Judging by the look of that antenna, it's seen better days

ke7gal

01-08-2007, 07:36 AM

I'll gladly give this man my money. Someone should setup a donation acount for this man so we can help him keep his tower.

ke7gal

01-08-2007, 07:43 AM

Quote[/b] (VE3HBD @ Jan. 07 2007,13:40)]Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 07 2007,20:03)]About your signature line...since when do amateurs "broadcast"?

Operating a station would be a more accurate description.

No offense is intended, but I know that I won't be the only one who will notice.
Oh, come on........

Must we as hams struggle to find an argument everywhere?

No wonder this hobby is dying.
Coming from a man that uses the logo of a white supremsists cult for his avatar. Now that is classic.

N8UZE

01-08-2007, 03:11 PM

His protest has nothing to do with radio or towers. He just happened to use this method of protesting. He is protesting fees for road building.

KC0W

01-08-2007, 03:53 PM

Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 08 2007,07:36)]I'll gladly give this man my money. #Someone should setup a donation acount for this man so we can help him keep his tower.
Now we have people wanting to send him money "so we can help him keep his tower".

There is NO WAY that you could have read the link with a comment like that.

Tom kcØw

kc7gnm

01-08-2007, 04:35 PM

Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 08 2007,03:43)]Quote[/b] (VE3HBD @ Jan. 07 2007,13:40)]Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 07 2007,20:03)]About your signature line...since when do amateurs "broadcast"?

Operating a station would be a more accurate description.

No offense is intended, but I know that I won't be the only one who will notice.
Oh, come on........

Must we as hams struggle to find an argument everywhere?

No wonder this hobby is dying.
Coming from a man that uses the logo of a white supremsists cult for his avatar. #Now that is classic.
Hard to consider it a white supremist cult when there are lots of blacks in the masons. I bet you were denied membership, weren't you.

KF7CG

01-08-2007, 04:36 PM

One thing to look at here.

If he owes money for road work that is one thing. Judgement to pay for his share of road work!

If he is not part of HOA, why unless signed documents otherwise should he be ordered to give up control of his property?

If he becomes part of HOA, doesn't he lose control of whether or not he can have a tower, and doesn't the property now become less desirable for Hams?

Lastly, precedent. If a judge can order someone into an HOA because of one reason or another, can a judge not order others into an HOA because of the "financial" impact of a tower and then let the HOA ban the tower?

Even though it appears that this is not directly Ham connected, the precedents that could be set are disturbing. Remember any HOA that doesn't have a rule against something today might have one tomorrow, if the right people have their way.

KF7CG

n1dvj

01-08-2007, 04:44 PM

Well, it may not be correct, but one of the stories I read on this indicates he DID join the homeowners association. The report was he joined it for $15 when the developement was 'new' and didn't require maintainence. Now that things are older and streets need fixed, the 'assessment' is up to $1500. Or at least that's what he's in arrearage to the association, and they went to court. The news story I read said there were 4 homeowners involved, not just one, and the court ruled against the homeowners and for the association.

I didn't see ANYTHING in the reports that indicated this was a 'tower' issue, other than that the guy is protesting by sitting on his tower.

Yeah, I'd love to be able to tell my 'city' to stuff my taxes too! Personally, I don't think he has a prayer of winning.

KD5NCO

01-08-2007, 05:12 PM

Sounds to me that a LOT of folks out there have no clue how Home Owners Associations (HOA) are formed, who they apply to, and what can and can not be imposed. This is an important part of being a home owner. Especially to folks who own property and do NOT want to be in a HOA.

Each state has a slightly different way HOAs can be formed but ALL states have some nasty habits; Many allow HOAs to have MORE authority over property owners then the state or county has. Many states do NOT require the same standards for managment of a HOA that a city or county government must adhere to by US or State Constitution.

The one post above about the rich guy that bought a few lots and has more votes and thus can control the "Roberts Rules" HOA proceedings is getting close.

A Judge making an ORDER to a home owner who refuses to comply suggests that the home owner failed to comply and the HOA sought judgment

HOAs and CC&Rs are not always, but MOST of the time an abdication of Elected and Appointed State, County, and City official's responsibilities.

If you live in an area with NO CC&R or HOA's you need to pay close attention #to any attempt by your neighbors to form these.

Rational HOAs do exist but they are rare. Usually one gets started for all the right reasons... dollar costs are kept reasonable and everybody is happy. However, eventually the management and maintenance of a HOA become a chore and the natural LEADER is some busy body who wants the POWER.

Frequently new ideas are presented, some discussion and debate may occur and then a vote is cast. Many many owners subject to a HOA will neglect to attend these meetings.

There are lots of folks wake up every morning to find that they are no longer in compliance with some "New Rule" or default in the new "Dues"...then the fight is on, sadly way too late.

I have lived under too many of these communistic aberrations of public good and refuse to ever be subjugated to my neighbors whims any more. Every two years or so there is an attempt in my rural subdivision to form a HOA... not too hard for me to get the notion killed...It just involves communication with my neighbors all the horror stories I can relate from years of first hand experience.

VE3HBD

01-08-2007, 05:17 PM

Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 08 2007,00:43)]Coming from a man that uses the logo of a white supremsists cult for his avatar. Now that is classic.
That's a new one. Methinks your tinfoil hat is a little too tight, my friend.

N2MMM

01-08-2007, 07:29 PM

nf0a

01-08-2007, 08:22 PM

Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 08 2007,00:43)]Quote[/b] (VE3HBD @ Jan. 07 2007,13:40)]Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 07 2007,20:03)]About your signature line...since when do amateurs "broadcast"?

Operating a station would be a more accurate description.

No offense is intended, but I know that I won't be the only one who will notice.
Oh, come on........

Must we as hams struggle to find an argument everywhere?

No wonder this hobby is dying.
Coming from a man that uses the logo of a white supremsists cult for his avatar. #Now that is classic.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif White Supremecist symbol? How quaint and misinformed. Please take a vacation somewhere where you can take "medication" in ease like , maybe, Jamaica (ganja).... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

N4AUD

01-08-2007, 08:56 PM

Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 08 2007,03:43)]Quote[/b] (VE3HBD @ Jan. 07 2007,13:40)]Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 07 2007,20:03)]About your signature line...since when do amateurs "broadcast"?

Operating a station would be a more accurate description.

No offense is intended, but I know that I won't be the only one who will notice.
Oh, come on........

Must we as hams struggle to find an argument everywhere?

No wonder this hobby is dying.
Coming from a man that uses the logo of a white supremsists cult for his avatar. Now that is classic.
You do not know what you are talking about, either from ignorance or misinformation. Not only that, but you've just insulted a good percentage of the members of this board. I suggest staying away from the conspiracy theory websites where this type of garbage information is spread.

I've been a Freemason for 24 years, BTW.

KI4RXM

01-08-2007, 09:40 PM

Just as an update on this topic:

John Spires has now come down from his tower, having been atop it for one week, to the hour, through driving rain and storms that have been in our local area recently.

As for the case, according to Spires when he was interviewd by the Montgomery Advertiser, the secretary of Circuit Court Judge John Bush has stated that "he's still doing some research (on the case)".

Also, this Mr. Spires, according to the Montgomery Advertiser, is a ham, as the tower is actually topped with a "ham radio antenna" and was raised by him with his son's (and I imagine a few other people's) help. Just from some reading I did on the subject in the newspaper...

n3aiu

01-08-2007, 11:05 PM

Posted: "Hard to consider it a white supremist cult when there are lots of blacks in the masons. I bet you were denied membership, weren't you."

Yikes! #Next we'll be talking about Henry Kissinger and Queen Elizabeth pulling the strings of world leaders and financial markets from their secret base in the Andes.

73, Nick N3AIU/DL1NE

ve6wtf

01-08-2007, 11:30 PM

Quote[/b] ]I'll gladly give this man my money. Someone should setup a donation acount for this man so we can help him keep his tower.

YOU ARE VERY MISTAKEN
He is not up there to save his tower!
He is up there because he lost in court and wants out of the home owners association!

Please read the article before you open your mouth http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

kg4rpe

01-09-2007, 12:41 AM

Quote[/b] (wa6itf @ Jan. 07 2007,16:54)]Sorry to burst your collective bubbles, but our reporter David Black, KB4KCH, spoke to Robert W. Spires, KF4BJT, and he is NOT the tower-sitting protester. #He told David that there are only two families named Spires in that city, and he is not the one involved. #

Actually, it is now beginning to look as if the protester is not a ham and is likely sitting on a tower used for television reception. #Out in the hinterlands, having a 70' or even a 120' high tower with a TV antenna atop it is not unuual.

The other possibilities: #CB antenna support or a volunteer in a service lile fire or police. #But at the moment, the chance that this Wayne Spires is a ham seems exceedingly slim.

de
Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF
ARNewsline, Inc.
http://www.arnewsline.org
Since 1976 - The Leading Provider Of Hobby Communications News
I am the one that posted the original story and my information about him being a ham came from radio news reports from several stations all across north Alabama. I also got it from the news papers who stated he was sitting atop of his ham radio tower. If I have the information wrong I do appologize but are you sure he is not a ham just because you talked to one man by the same name.

I will have to say that I never heard Rick and Bubba, who I first heard report it, say for definate that he was a ham. It was the other news outlets.

I do praise Bill "Bubba" Bussey for once again taking the opportunity on their morning radio show to promote this great hobby. It is certainly good to have someone in the national spotlight who shares his enthusiasm with his audiance when he can.

Montgomery Advertiser link which refers to his ham tower (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007701060328)

Tim kg4rpe

WA5BEN

01-09-2007, 01:16 AM

Quote[/b] (VE3HBD @ Jan. 08 2007,10:17)]Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 08 2007,00:43)]Coming from a man that uses the logo of a white supremsists cult for his avatar. Now that is classic.
That's a new one. Methinks your tinfoil hat is a little too tight, my friend.
I don't think the tens of thousands of children who have been treated at Shriners Hospitals would find anything "white" or "supremist" about the Masons. Children of every race and creed are accepted every day, and afforded the best care available in the world. Their families are housed and fed, in many cases.

... and when they leave, they don't owe a dime.

n1ea

01-09-2007, 01:27 AM

Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 07 2007,20:03)]About your signature line...since when do amateurs "broadcast"?

Operating a station would be a more accurate description.

No offense is intended, but I know that I won't be the only one who will notice.
Broadcast - from the agricultural use applied later to radio communications means to transmit (carry across or outward) in a broad range of coverage, not confined to certain direction.

Most amateur transmissions are broadcast rather than point-to-point.

That is one use of the word.

CQ (originally it was the Q signal "QST" - a general call to all stations is exactly a broadcast.

73

David N1EA

N7YA

01-09-2007, 04:09 AM

Quote[/b] (n3aiu @ Jan. 08 2007,16:05)]Posted: "Hard to consider it a white supremist cult when there are lots of blacks in the masons. I bet you were denied membership, weren't you."

Yikes! #Next we'll be talking about Henry Kissinger and Queen Elizabeth pulling the strings of world leaders and financial markets from their secret base in the Andes.

73, Nick N3AIU/DL1NE
Thats ridiculous!! Everyone knows the secret bases are underwater in the Gulf of Mexico...sheesh!

...and in response to another post, when did the Freemasons start burning crosses or goosestepping? I think i missed something. The Davinci code was a MOVIE!! So was The Abyss...not to be taken seriously. tinfoil hats indeed!

derka derka...

73...Adam, N7YA

VE3HBD

01-09-2007, 04:41 AM

Quote[/b] (ve6wtf @ Jan. 08 2007,16:30)]Please read the article before you open your mouth http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
...and please learn about the principles of common courtesy and politeness before opening yours.

And everyone - just ignore the comments about the Masonic brotherhood being a white supremacist front. The original poster is either a troll or horribly uninformed about the world's oldest and most benevolent fraternal organizations.

It seems that this thread is bringing the worst out in our fair hobby - from argumentitive OM to conspiracy theorist trolls to kids with vulgar vanity callsigns who equate rude comments to sound, reasoned discussion. A sad snapshot on our great hobby.

kb2vxa

01-09-2007, 05:19 AM

The gang over on Hamsexy seems to be hard pressed keeping up with this thread. So far they only have the OF squabble and the Masonic White Supremacist Order covered.

"The Davinci code was a MOVIE!!"

Oh geez, another DaVinci Code/no DaVinci Code debate.

"So was The Abyss...not to be taken seriously."

I've got to go take Abyss and I'm taking it seriously before I wet my pants.

n8zzf

01-09-2007, 05:24 AM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif does he come down to go to bathroom and eat dinner?? and what about severe storms, isure wouldn't want to be in that on the tower!!! # #hope he comes to his senses and waits inside his home for a trial...and beats the court at this because no one protested his tower till association tried #to take over and i would want to call a lawyer on variance law of time when he got permission to put it up if any.... good luck to you and i hope you win against them money hungry developers.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

kg4rpe

01-09-2007, 06:26 AM

He came down either Sunday evening or Monday morning. He did ride out a few storms before coming down. He also talked to the judges clerk before coming down and the clerk promised him the judge is researching the matter.

Tim - kg4rpe

K6MOP

01-09-2007, 07:54 AM

You should contact Hannity and Combs on Fox news Channel - They are pubicizing Imminent Domain abuse cases

wa4gch

01-09-2007, 10:58 AM

Quote[/b] (VE3HBD @ Jan. 08 2007,10:17)]Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 08 2007,00:43)]Coming from a man that uses the logo of a white supremsists cult for his avatar. #Now that is classic.
That's a new one. Methinks your tinfoil hat is a little too tight, my friend.
Boy that's news to me I thought the white supermsists logo was a donky ...... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

ke7gal

01-09-2007, 11:08 AM

Sorry folks, Freemasons are infact white supremesists. Next time you all can do your homework. Its nothing more than scientology for old people.

ke7gal

01-09-2007, 11:15 AM

However i do take back what i said, the guy is infact just an old dumb coot.

Spires, in his prepared statement said: "I feel my Lord Jesus Christ - my Savior - has been leading me to this; to cleanse my body and bring me into a closer relationship to him. ... I am asking him to help me work through the financial problems I will have to face concerning legal fees."

ummmmm.. yea.... the mind is infact the first thing to go in this case.

n3aiu

01-09-2007, 12:09 PM

Posted by KE7GAL: "Hard to consider it a white supremist cult when there are lots of blacks in the masons. I bet you were denied membership, weren't you."

Posted by N3AIU: "Yikes! Next we'll be talking about Henry Kissinger and Queen Elizabeth pulling the strings of world leaders and financial markets from their secret base in the Andes."

Posted by N7YA: "Thats ridiculous!! Everyone knows the secret bases are underwater in the Gulf of Mexico...sheesh!"

There's more than one secret base in the Gulf of Mexico? I thought that Britney Spears stole the only one from Al Gore. Man, I gotta keep up to date ...

73, Nick N3AIU/DL1NE

KC9IND

01-09-2007, 01:48 PM

well well well welllllllllllll.

w6em

01-09-2007, 02:11 PM

Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 08 2007,06:08)]Sorry folks, Freemasons are infact white supremesists. #Next time you all can do your homework. #Its nothing more than scientology for old people.
Look, Ben, I don't know what your source of information is, but, by everything I've read or experienced, you are way off the mark.

As WA5BEN earlier said, the Shriners provide hospital care to children of all ethnicities free of charge. Is that something a white supremecist organization would do?

I went to the Birmingham hamfest this last year. It was held at the Zamora Masonic Temple. Certainly no sign of white supremecism there. All hams of all ethinicities were welcomed.

If what you claim is correct, why would they allow people of all ethnicities to use their facility?

Suggest you take your disdain for the Masonic Order someplace else.

Besides, you're way off topic here and didn't even spell supremecist correctly. Perhaps your 'sources' are some weird, wacko threads. Google anything on the Web and chances are, it will show up.......

BTW, I'm not a Mason nor is anyone in my family.

73,

kc4kmg

01-09-2007, 03:43 PM

I bet if it was a cell towe$$$$ they would accept it witk open arms:D
Yeah...come in in, put it up!

kc7gnm

01-09-2007, 03:52 PM

Quote[/b] (n4aud @ Jan. 08 2007,16:56)]Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 08 2007,03:43)]Quote[/b] (VE3HBD @ Jan. 07 2007,13:40)]Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 07 2007,20:03)]About your signature line...since when do amateurs "broadcast"?

Operating a station would be a more accurate description.

No offense is intended, but I know that I won't be the only one who will notice.
Oh, come on........

Must we as hams struggle to find an argument everywhere?

No wonder this hobby is dying.
Coming from a man that uses the logo of a white supremsists cult for his avatar. #Now that is classic.
You do not know what you are talking about, either from ignorance or misinformation. #Not only that, but you've just insulted a good percentage of the members of this board. #I suggest staying away from the conspiracy theory websites where this type of garbage information is spread.

I've been a Freemason for 24 years, BTW.
I just petetioned to join the Free Masons. My Father in Law is the Master of the lodge I am petitioning to join.

kc7gnm

01-09-2007, 03:57 PM

Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 09 2007,07:08)]Sorry folks, Freemasons are infact white supremesists. #Next time you all can do your homework. #Its nothing more than scientology for old people.
ke7gal,

You are an idiot. Maybe you should actually read about the masons before listening to the left propaganda. You guys will take the words of some kooks and think it is the god honest truth. You have watched way too many movies and live in a fantasy world. Grow up and do some research on your own instead of listening to folks that have no clue what they are talking about in the left media.

kc7gnm

01-09-2007, 04:01 PM

Quote[/b] (w6em @ Jan. 09 2007,10:11)]Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 08 2007,06:08)]Sorry folks, Freemasons are infact white supremesists. #Next time you all can do your homework. #Its nothing more than scientology for old people.
Look, Ben, I don't know what your source of information is, but, by everything I've read or experienced, you are way off the mark.
#
As WA5BEN earlier said, the Shriners provide hospital care to children of all ethnicities free of charge. #Is that something a white supremecist organization would do?

I went to the Birmingham hamfest this last year. #It was held at the Zamora Masonic Temple. #Certainly no sign of white supremecism there. #All hams of all ethinicities were welcomed.

If what you claim is correct, why would they allow people of all ethnicities to use their facility?

Suggest you take your disdain for the Masonic Order someplace else.

Besides, you're way off topic here and didn't even spell supremecist correctly. #Perhaps your 'sources' are some weird, wacko threads. #Google anything on the Web and chances are, it will show up.......

BTW, I'm not a Mason nor is anyone in my family.

73,
As a matter of fact I was first licenced at the Sabar Temple in Tucson, Arizona back in 1993. They gave free tests and did not charge a dime to take them. Also my best friend was with me and he was a black man. They did not turn him away either. Would a white supremist group do that? His call is KC7GNL if you want to look him up.

wa4gch

01-09-2007, 04:21 PM

Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 09 2007,04:08)]Sorry folks, Freemasons are infact white supremesists. #Next time you all can do your homework. #Its nothing more than scientology for old people.
You DON'T know scientology .... I live a few miles south of the Ft Harrison hotell in Clearwater fl and have to drive by them all the time.

To each there own but no old person I know would go for that .......

N2RJ

01-09-2007, 05:01 PM

Quote[/b] (kc4kmg @ Jan. 09 2007,10:43)]I bet if it was a cell towe$$$$ they would accept it witk open arms:D
Yeah...come in in, put it up!
No they wouldn't. Cell towers are very much hated, and even the towns restrict them heavily.

People are under the impression that cell towers give them cancer.

kb7dsd

01-09-2007, 05:25 PM

Looks like Fred has some other folks to BAN from QRZ, from what I read here ke7auw's posts were mild compared to this hostility.

VE3HBD

01-09-2007, 06:21 PM

Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 09 2007,04:08)]Sorry folks, Freemasons are infact white supremesists. Next time you all can do your homework. Its nothing more than scientology for old people.
Just ignore him, people. He's just a troll. He's offering no proof to his claims - I can't believe that anyone half-intelligent enough to get his ham ticket would be dumb enough to believe his rhetoric.... Life must be tough in his world.

I'm one of the few people on here who can speak with authority on this subject - myself and my fellow masons on here know the truth, and the mindless rantings of paranoid conspiracy nuts like this guy are par for the course when you're a mason. My lodge was built next to an empty plot of land, which eventually was bought and built on by an evangelical church. We welcomed them to the neighbourhood with open arms, and purchased a large and expensive bible as a 'welcome to the neighbourhood' gift.

Unfortunately, we didn't know that the congregation was anti-Mason, and our gift was flatly refused. A very tall and strong fence was soon erected (by the church) separating our property from theirs. Furthermore, often times we find anti-masonic literature and those ridiculous "Curse of Baphomet" Jack Chick comics tucked under our cars windshield wipers. We put up with anti-masonic nonsense all the time, so we're well used to it...!!

Certainly not all Evangelical churches are anti-mason, but there are quite a few out there. I've got the Chick tracts to prove it http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

As for the masons being white supremacist.... I'd love to invite this person to one of our lodge meetings, where he'll see whites, blacks, Jews, Chinese, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and Buddhists all meeting under the same roof, calling each other 'brother'. Masonry is about common brotherhood aside from cultural, societal and economic differences. All those things mean nothing in the lodge room when you 'meet on the level'. Our past master is a practicing Jew - I'm sure he would have noticed if we were 'white supremacist'. We just initiated our third Sikh member. I'm sure he wouldn't be wiling to join any organization that would, at the base, deem him unwelcome.

And I'm not even going to bring up Prince Hall Masons.

Too many people just don't understand, and would prefer to shoot off learned rhetoric without learning the truth. Besides, I as a rule don't pay attention to people who allege racism without even taking the time to learn how to spell "supremacist"... or "Scientology"..... or "In fact"...

w1yw

01-09-2007, 06:48 PM

Here's another Mason. Never saw any racism. Ever.

73,
Chip W1YW

KG4PNC

01-09-2007, 06:53 PM

Gotta ask is the mason's and the shriners an org that believes tha Jesus is the son of God? or is the org just a org like a social org ? like the moose lions etc? i knowe my granmother belonged to the order of the rainbow?

w1yw

01-09-2007, 07:02 PM

Quote[/b] (WA5BEN @ Jan. 08 2007,18:16)]Quote[/b] (VE3HBD @ Jan. 08 2007,10:17)]Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 08 2007,00:43)]Coming from a man that uses the logo of a white supremsists cult for his avatar. #Now that is classic.
That's a new one. Methinks your tinfoil hat is a little too tight, my friend.
I don't think the tens of thousands of children who have been treated at Shriners Hospitals would find anything "white" or "supremist" about the Masons. #Children of every race and creed are accepted every day, and afforded the best care available in the world. #Their families are housed and fed, in many cases.

... and when they leave, they don't owe a dime.
Years before I joined the lodge, I lived across from the Shriner Burns Center in Boston. (Shriners are a group of Freemasons with requirements predicated on philanthropy).I lived in an apartment that looked down into the backyard of the burns center. You could see the loving care these young folks got; you could see how the parents were brought in and cheered up too. That made a very strong impression on me.

So if your impression of a Freemason is someone who drives around in a mini-car in a parade with a funny Fez, well, look again. And please: the supremicist stuff is bull.

73,
Chip W1YW

w1yw

01-09-2007, 07:03 PM

Quote[/b] (KG4PNC @ Jan. 09 2007,11:53)]Gotta ask is the mason's and the shriners an org that believes tha Jesus is the son of God? or is the org just a org like a social org ? like the moose lions etc? i knowe my granmother belonged to the order of the rainbow?
We're getting too far afield. But in a nutshell, the requirements include a belief in God.

73,
Chip W1YW

K4JF

01-09-2007, 10:11 PM

Quote[/b] (w1yw @ Jan. 08 2007,13:03)]Quote[/b] (KG4PNC @ Jan. 09 2007,11:53)]Gotta ask is the mason's and the shriners an org that believes tha Jesus is the son of God? or is the org just a org like a social org ? like the moose lions etc? i knowe my granmother belonged to the order of the rainbow?
We're getting too far afield. But in a nutshell, the requirements include a belief in God.

73,
Chip W1YW
Correct, Bro. Chip. #And the particular details and practices of that belief are left to the individual member and his church. #We are all brothers and sons of God. #Athiests need not apply. #

Cult? #Ridiculous, as it is not a religion (we are specifically instructed to put our church before the Lodge). #White supremacist? #When all are welcome? #Ludicrous!

Jim, #32°, P.M.
a Mason since 1967

kb3ojg

01-09-2007, 11:49 PM

Quote[/b] (VE3HBD @ Jan. 07 2007,21:40)]Must we as hams struggle to find an argument everywhere?

No wonder this hobby is dying.
No, the hobby isn't "dying" -- both sides are wrong on that score. There may be less idiotic "ragchew" crapola on the repeaters (which is a good thing, actually, because most of it was garbage anyway), but the reason there's less "ragchew" there is because the mindless drivel has all moved to Internet-based chat boards. Pasternak and the folks over at AR NEWSLINE are the ones demonstrating that ham radio is most assuredly NOT dead, dying, or even in a bad way. What WILL make it be in a bad way is:

1. The spread of excessive confidence in the 'mainstream' communications infrastructure. (Is there any other KIND of confidence in it??)

2. Internal squabbling over license-requirements, etc. (Hint: the FCC admits openly that 'licenses' are completely irrelevant in an emergency situation, seeing as they explicitly state that any frequency/mode is admissable in an emergency situation. Licensing -- like most(all?) other government functions, is little more than a highly-organized shakedown, and a way to create busy work for the beaurocrat-class.

The other thing that WILL "kill ham radio" is our continuing to view ourselves as so exalted in comparison to "chiekcnebanders", FRS, etc, just because we jumped through some Governmentally-imposed licensing hoops. Instead of (for example) just giggling about how funny "chickenbanders" are, there needs to be more explicit interaction between ham clubs and the local CB 'scene" in their area, as well as between RACES/ARES, REACT, and even "neighborhood watch" organizations. The way to drum up interest in ham radio is to demonstrate -- and keep demonstrating -- that we're not just a bunch of whackjobs who get special frequency privileges from the FCC so we can "ragchew" and/or do contesting.

The issue here is NOT whether this Wayne guy is a ham or not -- the issue is whether somebody is being shoved around by a "homowners association" (which is essentially nothing but legalized fraud anyway.) Private property has been effectively GONE in this culture for at least fifty years -- between eminent-domain 'law' and the deliberately-created fiction that those with mortgaged properties "own" their homes -- rather than admitting that they're just RENTING from the bank for thirty years or more.

But hey, we can all feel secure here -- especially if he's "just" a CB'er, or it's "just" a TV antenna.

Come on, people -- wake up.

kb3ojg

01-10-2007, 12:11 AM

Oh, almost forgot about the (off-topic?) thing K7gal said about Freemasonry: You're an imbecile. My heroin-using loser of a half-brother was/is -- regrettably -- involved with/knows people from various "White power" organizations. Sadly enough, he's subjected me to huge amounts of that sort of blather, and I even read some of there 'literature' (mostly just to shut him up.) Upshot here is that "White power" organizations are pretty much all very aggressively ANTI-mason (just like the aforementioned Fundamentalist churches the other guy mentioned.) Freemasonry is portrayed by these people as a front-organization for ZOG (the "Zionist Occupation Government"), and White Power folks are aggressively anti-mason, as I said earlier.

Additionally, comparing Freemasonry to Scientology is sloppy at best. L. Ron Hubbard based some aspects of the "Church of Scientology" on various "secret societies", to be sure -- but any attempt to conflate the two is at least somewhat rediculous.

Ciao, Y'all -- hope yer having the happiest of New Years! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

w1yw

01-10-2007, 01:15 AM

It would be more accurate to say it is a society with secrets.

But the secrets are benign and certainly have everyone's best interests in mind. There's no 'power trip'. Closer to a 'responsibility trip'.

I look at it this way: when things fall apart, someone has to have the network of trust to keep it together.

It certainly is NOT a religion.

73,
Chip W1YW

kd4thi

01-10-2007, 02:20 AM

Iwould like to applaud Mr.Spires for wut he is doing.
Weather hes a ham or not he is deffending his rights as a citezen (strange way to do it but what ever works)As for the folks that seem to hate CB'ers remember alot of us started on cb an alot of us still use cb .
kd4thi Rodney Barry Montgomery alabama

VE3OIJ

01-10-2007, 03:05 AM

Quote[/b] (w1yw @ Jan. 09 2007,12:03)]Quote[/b] (KG4PNC @ Jan. 09 2007,11:53)]Gotta ask is the mason's and the shriners an org that believes tha Jesus is the son of God? or is the org just a org like a social org ? like the moose lions etc? i knowe my granmother belonged to the order of the rainbow?
We're getting too far afield. But in a nutshell, the requirements include a belief in God.
That's why I turned them down when I was invited.

I like all the work that the masons do, and my grandfather was a mason, but I can't accept a belief in magic / gods / whatever, so I was unable to join.

However, I do know that although belief in a superior power is a requirements, I've never seen a mason proseletyzing, or being racist.

N7YA

01-10-2007, 08:09 AM

Quote[/b] (kb2vxa @ Jan. 08 2007,22:19)]The gang over on Hamsexy seems to be hard pressed keeping up with this thread. So far they only have the OF squabble and the Masonic White Supremacist Order covered.

"The Davinci code was a MOVIE!!"

Oh geez, another DaVinci Code/no DaVinci Code debate.

"So was The Abyss...not to be taken seriously."

I've got to go take Abyss and I'm taking it seriously before I wet my pants.
OOPS!! you're right!! I should never mention the word "C**E" here....its a nasty word.

And taking Abyss should only be taken seriously if you are warm in bed and dreaming of a toilet and somehow convince yourself in your dream that its ok to take Abyss...bad news. (not that its happened to me, of course....but i was a kid once). Otherwise, taking Abyss is pretty routine.

And i thought that Hamsexy was a dirty word here...i dont know, im just a simple ham radio operator, i cant keep up with all this squabbling stuff....guys sitting on towers, and i dont want to be around when HE has to take Abyss!! 60 or 70 feet up or whatever it was..."say Earl, the rain sure looks funny today"..."yup, funny looking rain...warm too".

>ack<

73...Adam, N7YA

relax everyone, have a laugh....or die frowning, your choice, but we will ALL die one day and tower restrictions and code debates will matter a lot....oh wait, no it wont.

N7YA

01-10-2007, 08:15 AM

Quote[/b] (wa4gch @ Jan. 09 2007,03:58)]Quote[/b] (VE3HBD @ Jan. 08 2007,10:17)]Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 08 2007,00:43)]Coming from a man that uses the logo of a white supremsists cult for his avatar. #Now that is classic.
That's a new one. Methinks your tinfoil hat is a little too tight, my friend.
Boy that's news to me I thought the white supermsists logo was a donky ...... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
yeah, a lot of people think its an Elephant too, doesnt matter to me, im a libertarian.

w3wn

01-10-2007, 01:17 PM

Quote[/b] (kc9ind @ Jan. 09 2007,09:48)]well well well welllllllllllll.
Deep subjects.

But what do they have to do with a 61 year old ham staying atop his tower in protest of a judge's decision to force him and 3 other homeowners to involuntarily join a Home Owner's Association?

k5mke

01-10-2007, 02:47 PM

Hi All,

Some 35 years ago when we bought into this neighborhood, there was a Homeowner's Association. #It was headed buy the father of a Jr. High friend of mine. #Mr. Sharrah came around, introduced himself, welcomed us and told us about the association and it's newsletter. #There was an annual get-together for a pot-luck and a get aquainted and that was about it. #No "fees", no "bullying", just friendly neighbors who watched out for each other's property's when folks were gone and looked out after the elderly.

Sadly, I learned that my friend, Larry, had been killed in 'Nam. #True to his word, Mr. Sharrah hand delivered the Association's letter every month, until his death in 1976. #It was at this point, the Association fell apart, the older folks either sold out and moved or were put into nursing homes. #This lead to slumlords decending on the area and it quicky went NORTH http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

My suggestion to the question of HOA's or Restricted Deed's would be to purchase some land, away from the 'norm', yet having city services and incorporate your land as a one-owner HOA and make up your OWN rules, LOL!

I just wished I had bought 160 acres out in the country now, instead of the double lot (60'x245') and powerlines on BOTH sides in city, LOL!

Oh well, hindsight is always 20/20.

Respectfully,
73,

Buck/K5-MKE

K4JF

01-10-2007, 02:49 PM

Quote[/b] (VE3OIJ @ Jan. 08 2007,21:05)]Quote[/b] (w1yw @ Jan. 09 2007,12:03)]
We're getting too far afield. But in a nutshell, the requirements include a belief in God.
That's why I turned them down when I was invited.
If you were invited, somebody erred. One of the basic principles is that no one is invited, you have to seek it on your own.

k5mke

01-10-2007, 03:11 PM

There are two things that should never be discussed, at anytime, any where, any hobby and that is RELIGION #& POLITICS, and that's all I'm going to say on those two subjects.

Rather than condem folks for their differences, why can't we just CELIBRATE #all of us being Unique & Special, no matter what. #I certainly am an individual and glad that others aren't just like me, hehehehe. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif #If everyone was like me or I like everyone else, then I lose my Specialness, nes pas?

Respectfully submitted,
73,
Buck/K5-MKE

Half Shanty-poor Irish & half Coonass Cajun French...I'm either a Lepri-coon #OR A good excuse to be a drunk, LOL!

01-10-2007, 03:16 PM

Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Jan. 10 2007,07:49)]Quote[/b] (VE3OIJ @ Jan. 08 2007,21:05)]Quote[/b] (w1yw @ Jan. 09 2007,12:03)]
We're getting too far afield. But in a nutshell, the requirements include a belief in God.
That's why I turned them down when I was invited.
If you were invited, somebody erred. #One of the basic principles is that no one is invited, you have to seek it on your own.
I was about to make this same point...

" 2 B 1 ASK 1 "

73, Mike

w4lgh

01-10-2007, 03:25 PM

~"Whatever happened to 'personal freedom', 'justice for all' and all the other phrases I was taught in class in high schhool? "~

The same thing that happened to prayer, saying the National Anthem, and in God we Trust in our schools. Whether you believe in God or NOT, is NOT the question. These were all building blocks that set our Nation ahead. They were the foundation for everything the USA stands for. Now these blocks are being ripped out from beneith us. If you rip the blocks of your homes foundation out, your HOUSE will fall in. Same with the country! Things have gone to hell in a basket.

The minority has become the majority, and every little thing has become a BFD! Illeagle aliens getting social security and other govt bene's. I bet if the same amount of money was spent rounding up all the illeagle aliens, and others on expired visa's that has been spent on the war in IRAQ, we would have cured many of our major problems! Our represenitivies don't give a damn about US, only their own agenda, but we keep electing them. So's who's fault is it? We still haven't rounded up the some 14,000 IRAQ's that are still in this country on expired visa's, over 5 years after 911!!

People better wake up and smell the roses soon, its almost to late to make a change. Tax time is coming on us soon, be sure and PAY your taxes in FULL, as 5 million illeagle aliens need your support! Even that statement has become a joke, and everyone laughs at it, but its true.

Don't we have bigger things in this country to straighen out, besides whether a person joins or doesn't join a HOA? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif #

Leave the man alone, he hasn't hurt anyone and his joining the HOA or NOT will not effect it!..spend you time fighting the bigger issues!

73 de W4LGH - Alan http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

n1dvj

01-10-2007, 04:10 PM

Quote[/b] (w3wn @ Jan. 10 2007,06:17)]But what do they have to do with a 61 year old ham staying atop his tower in protest of a judge's decision to force him and 3 other homeowners to involuntarily join a Home Owner's Association?
I heard it's not a question of forcing him to join, but rather a question of if he is a member and can be forced to pay his assessment.

From what I read, there was a landowners association that he DID join (previously reported as the homeowners association). That somehow mutated into the Homeowners association and the association is claiming he is a member in default.

It's not as clear-cut as either side would have you believe.

K4JF

01-10-2007, 06:29 PM

Quote[/b] (k5mke @ Jan. 09 2007,09:11)]There are two things that should never be discussed, at anytime, any where, any hobby and that is RELIGION #& POLITICS, and that's all I'm going to say on those two subjects.
OK. (But since we were discussing neither, what is the problem?)

AE6IP

01-10-2007, 08:20 PM

Quote[/b] (w3wn @ Jan. 10 2007,05:17)]Quote[/b] (kc9ind @ Jan. 09 2007,09:48)]well well well welllllllllllll.
Deep subjects.

But what do they have to do with a 61 year old ham staying atop his tower in protest of a judge's decision to force him and 3 other homeowners to involuntarily join a Home Owner's Association?
I'm still waiting for someone to post the judge's actual decision.

Does anyone know what the judge really ruled in this case?

KI4RXM

01-10-2007, 09:45 PM

From what I read, he was initially ordered by the judge to pony up the money.

Since then, he was up the tower for a week, and came down [I suspect because of the storm that allegedly produced two tornados in our area] because he said that he'd talked to somebody at the judge's office who told him that the case and his appeal to the ruling were being looked at closely and considered by the judge. As far as I've heard, there hasn't yet been a final decision on the matter.

KI4PEQ

01-10-2007, 11:56 PM

Quote[/b] (n1ea @ Jan. 08 2007,19:27)]Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 07 2007,20:03)]About your signature line...since when do amateurs "broadcast"?

Operating a station would be a more accurate description.

No offense is intended, but I know that I won't be the only one who will notice.
Broadcast - from the agricultural use applied later to radio communications means to transmit (carry across or outward) in a broad range of coverage, not confined to certain direction.

Most amateur transmissions are broadcast rather than point-to-point. #

That is one use of the word.

CQ (originally it was the Q signal "QST" - a general call to all stations is exactly a broadcast.

73

David N1EA
Not that the ARRL is the final arbiter of all things amateur,

However, if you pull out any study guide or training manual they publish, you will see that somewhere in the publication, they define broadcasting in the generally accepted sense, that is a radio emission that is aimed at the public at large. W1AW QST transmissions and bulletin station transmissions are aimed at a specific group, that is radio amateurs. Calling CQ is again aimed at fellow amateurs. But getting on the amateur frequencies and doing your own version of talk radio such as the guy who calls himself "Radio Canada" is "broadcasting" in the generally accepted sense.

Also look up Part 97.113b. which begins with the phrase "an amateur station shall not engage in any form of broadcasting".

Calling normal amateur activities "broadcasting" is stretching the definition a bit much.

KI4PEQ

01-11-2007, 12:02 AM

Quote[/b] (w4lgh @ Jan. 10 2007,09:25)]People better wake up and smell the roses soon, its almost to late to make a change. Tax time is coming on us soon, be sure and PAY your taxes in FULL, as 5 million illeagle aliens need your support! Even that statement has become a joke, and everyone laughs at it, but its true.
As an animal lover, I certainly will be most happy to pay the taxes I owe to ensure that those sick birds that are a symbol of our nation will be brought back to health. I was distressed to hear about those ill eagles.

Illegal aliens need to be dealt with in the same manner that every other country in the world deals with the problem. Find them, gather them, deport them.

And for the Freemasons and Shriners in the group, you will always have my grateful thanks. My mom and dad married young and were dirt poor when I was born with several medical problems, one of which if untreated would have left me unable to walk. The Shriners took on my case and brought me back to health, and it didn't cost my folks one dime. Those terrific people stand tallest when they bend down to help a crippled or sick child. I'm approaching the half century mark in part due to their caring and generosity. THANKS!

KI4PEQ

01-11-2007, 12:10 AM

Quote[/b] (k5mke @ Jan. 10 2007,09:11)]There are two things that should never be discussed, at anytime, any where, any hobby and that is RELIGION #& POLITICS, and that's all I'm going to say on those two subjects.

Rather than condem folks for their differences, why can't we just CELIBRATE #all of us being Unique & Special, no matter what. #I certainly am an individual and glad that others aren't just like me, hehehehe. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif #If everyone was like me or I like everyone else, then I lose my Specialness, nes pas?

Respectfully submitted,
73,
Buck/K5-MKE

Half Shanty-poor Irish & half Coonass Cajun French...I'm either a Lepri-coon #OR A good excuse to be a drunk, LOL!
When I was stationed in Turkey, I shared a room with a young man from Louisiana. The Air Force being a bit less traditional and hidebound than the other services, we had considerable leeway in decorating our personal space. Above the door of our dorm room, my roomie placed a pictogram of the back end of a raccoon and a picture of two dice.

It was always an attention getter. When visitors would ask what the meaning of the pictogram was, my Louisiana friend would reply:

"Man, can't you read? That says Coonass Paradise plain as the nose on my face!" #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Now back to our present argument already in progress...http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/bowl/jpgs/argument.jpg

W1YB

01-11-2007, 12:47 AM

Quote[/b] (W7ASA @ Jan. 07 2007,16:48)]In northern Idaho, we'd have considered it more fun to put the judge at the top of the tower until he changes his mind. This being #January - we'd expect a speedy ruling.

RadioRay ..._ ._
Hey RR,

You back in Idaho? #What happened to the chowder?

We missed you att the FSB Reunion!

Take care, Old Friend!

Johnne

K4JF

01-11-2007, 06:46 AM

Quote[/b] (n1ea @ Jan. 07 2007,19:27)]Broadcast - from the agricultural use applied later to radio communications means to transmit (carry across or outward) in a broad range of coverage, not confined to certain direction.

Most amateur transmissions are broadcast rather than point-to-point. #

That is one use of the word.

CQ (originally it was the Q signal "QST" - a general call to all stations is exactly a broadcast.

73

David N1EA
Nope:

1. #Broadcast, both in the agricultural and radio sense, is to scatter, or spread to several undefined points.
2. #Broadcasting is illegal in Amateur Radio, specifically stated so in Part 97.
3. #The overwhelming majority of Amateur operations ARE point-to-point. #(It's called a QSO.)
4. #CQ and QST are two different things, and always have been.
# # #CQ: calling any ham - singular (one ham with which to have a point-to-point two-way conversation)
# # #QST: calling all hams - plural - as to give specific ham related information, or to convene a net. #No reply is expected when it is a bulletin transmission (which is a specific exception to otherwise prohibited broadcasting). Not a broadcast, because it is specific only to licensed operators, not the general public.

# # # # # # # (big difference)

w7act

01-11-2007, 08:23 AM

Quote[/b] (ke7gal @ Jan. 07 2007,16:43)]Quote[/b] (VE3HBD @ Jan. 07 2007,13:40)]Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 07 2007,20:03)]About your signature line...since when do amateurs "broadcast"?

Operating a station would be a more accurate description.

No offense is intended, but I know that I won't be the only one who will notice.
Oh, come on........

Must we as hams struggle to find an argument everywhere?

No wonder this hobby is dying.
Coming from a man that uses the logo of a white supremsists cult for his avatar. Now that is classic.
My , My, My........

KE7GAL must be a member of the "Knights of Columbus" as that sounds like something that would come out of that organization.

If the Masonic Organization is a White Supremists Organization then many of our founding fathers are White Supremists. It's my understanding the Knights of Columbus is the Catholic answer to the Masonic Order, as according to Catholic Doctrine it is against the teachings of the church to belong to a Secret Order so the Catholics segregated their selves from Masonry not the other way around as it is my understanding that to qualify to be a good Mason you have to be of good moral character and have belief in god.

And yes over the years as a Senior Demolay I have been asked by several Masons why I had not joined the order, but they have not asked me directly to join the Masons, although the have told me that if I ever decided to join the Masons they would be happy sponser me.

w3wn

01-11-2007, 02:01 PM

Quote[/b] (n1ea @ Jan. 08 2007,21:27)]Broadcast - from the agricultural use applied later to radio communications means to transmit (carry across or outward) in a broad range of coverage, not confined to certain direction.

Most amateur transmissions are broadcast rather than point-to-point. #

That is one use of the word.

CQ (originally it was the Q signal "QST" - a general call to all stations is exactly a broadcast.

73

David N1EA
A one way transmission is not neccesarily a broadcast.

A CQ is a one way transmission... a call to an unspecified party or parties. Specifically, it is a call to other amateurs to answer -- but not a transmission specifically crafted to be received by the general public.

A broadcast is a one way transmission intended for reception by the general public. A news transmission (including bulletins and code practice) is a broadcast.

Yes, anyone with a receiver can receive a CQ or similar one-way transmission, but the INTENT of a CQ is not to be received by anyone other than interested amateurs.

73

KC9AHH

01-11-2007, 04:11 PM

Well if the neighbors want him down,nothing that sling shot won't do to help the matter,or a bad lighting storm.

N7YA

01-11-2007, 10:45 PM

Quote[/b] (KC9AHH @ Jan. 11 2007,09:11)]Well if the neighbors want him down,nothing that sling shot won't do to help the matter,or a bad #lighting storm.
Apparently it WAS a storm that made him return to the ground....and reality.

People who chain themselves to gates and bridges, or sit on top of towers or things of that nature rarely realize that it while it brings press, it looks bad for the cause, it looks desperate and not well thought out.

I will agree that a slingshot would have done the trick, it works with pigeons....besides, it would be funny.

73...Adam, N7YA

N5USN

01-12-2007, 02:03 AM

I have not looked at this site for a while due to all the bickering that goes on. So here we are again bickering about some lame OFF TOPIC crap. Why don't you fellas meet in a parking lot and just beat the hell out of each other and leave Ham Radio alone. Now go back to your racial bickering.

Have a fine Navy day!

Ka0sab

01-12-2007, 02:39 AM

Quote[/b] (kg4rpe @ Jan. 05 2007,09:20)]Wayne Spires (KF4BJT), a Wetumpka, AL ham is now sitting perched a top his 68 foot radio tower behind his house in protest of a judges ruling forcing him to become a part of a homeowners association. He says that 20 years ago when he bought the property located along the river that it was listed as unrestricted. He has been atop the tower for about three or four days and says he will not come down until his next court date which is scheduled for Feb. 5th.

The nationaly syndicated radio team Rick and Bubba out of WZZK 104.7 in Birmingham, AL interviewed Mr. Spires, his wife, and a daughter live by phone this morning. They also talked yesterday by phone to the sheriff who said as long as Mr. Spires does not try to hurt himself or somebody else his department will not interfere. William "Bubba" Bussey (KJ4JJ) the co-host of Rick and Bubba, explained on yesterday's show the importance ham radio can play in a time of emergency and the importance for good towers for hams to own and use. (Bubba is a very active ham and promotes it often on their program.)

His family as well as other neighbors, friends, and hams all are sending their support to him.

Montgomerry Advertiser Report (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070104/NEWS01/701040334)

WSFA TV 12 Report (http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=5883357&nav=0RdM)
How many of us Hams are ready to take a drive and help support him with wide coverage news???

kb1gck

01-12-2007, 02:31 PM

I think the Association paid off the good old boy judge. Is this the type of thing that happens in a FREE country? I don't think you can win fighting city hall, I think he should consider moving to a house with it's OWN real estate where this could NEVER happen. He might say "why should I?" I am a realist and I think it's the cheapest way (save the legal fees) to get your tower up there for good. Besides he should do ok with the sale.

kf4npm

01-12-2007, 06:30 PM

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif viva la vida!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

kd5vjn

01-12-2007, 09:26 PM

hang in there man.

kd5vjn

01-12-2007, 09:29 PM

ease up on the mason thing. like w7act im also a demolay. unless you have done your research dont knock anything you dont know about.

WL7LZ

01-13-2007, 04:30 AM

White Sup group,
I have no idea where you came up with that, but I will be more than happy to help you understand more about Masonic.

SHRINERS TOO...
Shriners Hospitals! Giving FREE healthcare to children.

There are also Black Masonic as well. My lodge has many nationalities as well as ethnic groups.

Masonic lodges give over a million dollars a day to charitable organizations, not to mention the Shriners Hospitals.

All Shriners are Masons, but not all Masons are Shriners.

As far as the gentleman staying on his tower, well, I wouldnt do it. When I was in Alaska, I put up antennas near Nenana, and man that was cold. Actually froze my gloves to the tower. (they came down during the thaw).

Remember, its a hobby everyone, enjoy it.

Mark
WL7LZ

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WL7LZ

01-13-2007, 04:32 AM

"it is my understanding that to qualify to be a good Mason #you have to be of good moral character and have belief in god. "

CORRECT. W7ACT (ASK12B1)
Mark WL7LZ
Master Mason and Shriner

w1vet

01-13-2007, 03:17 PM

Quote[/b] (n1dvj @ Jan. 08 2007,04:44)]Well, it may not be correct, but one of the stories I read on this indicates he DID join the homeowners association. #The report was he joined it for $15 when the developement was 'new' and didn't require maintainence. #Now that things are older and streets need fixed, the 'assessment' is up to $1500. #Or at least that's what he's in arrearage to the association, and they went to court. #The news story I read said there were 4 homeowners involved, not just one, and the court ruled against the homeowners and for the association.

I didn't see ANYTHING in the reports that indicated this was a 'tower' issue, other than that the guy is protesting by sitting on his tower.

Yeah, I'd love to be able to tell my 'city' to stuff my taxes too! #Personally, I don't think he has a prayer of winning.
Read again He joined the "Landowner" not the Homeowners ACC. They made him join the Homeowners ACC. Landowners paid $15 a year and there was no restictions as a Homeowners you pay more and live by there rules. so if the person next to you don't like that U.S. flag youfly they make you take it down...

K4JF

01-14-2007, 04:23 AM

Quote[/b] (WL7LZ @ Jan. 11 2007,22:30)]All Shriners are Masons, but not all Masons are Shriners.
Mark
WL7LZ
Not quite, Mark. #Not all Shriners are Masons. #That requirement was removed a few years ago (and was quite controversial in this area). #

"Most" would be appropriate.

K4JF

01-14-2007, 04:38 PM

Quote[/b] (kd5vjn @ Jan. 11 2007,15:29)]ease up on the mason thing. like w7act im also a demolay. unless you have done your research dont knock anything you dont know about.
Good comments, Chris. And I would add, make sure of the veracity of your "research". There are a lot of "facts" on the internet that simply are not true, especially about that Order.

By the way, I'm delighted to share the bands with you, even though, to some, I'm an OF who doesn't know anything simply because I do happen to know how to use a key. :o)

K4JF

01-14-2007, 04:40 PM

Quote[/b] (w1vet @ Jan. 12 2007,09:17)]..... so if the person next to you don't like that U.S. flag you fly they make you take it down...
Well, at least they can't do that any more. Federal law against it, you know.

n1dvj

01-15-2007, 11:34 AM

Quote[/b] (w1vet @ Jan. 13 2007,08:17)]Quote[/b] (n1dvj @ Jan. 08 2007,04:44)]Well, it may not be correct, but one of the stories I read on this indicates he DID join the homeowners association. #The report was he joined it for $15 when the developement was 'new' and didn't require maintainence. #Now that things are older and streets need fixed, the 'assessment' is up to $1500. #Or at least that's what he's in arrearage to the association, and they went to court. #The news story I read said there were 4 homeowners involved, not just one, and the court ruled against the homeowners and for the association.

I didn't see ANYTHING in the reports that indicated this was a 'tower' issue, other than that the guy is protesting by sitting on his tower.

Yeah, I'd love to be able to tell my 'city' to stuff my taxes too! #Personally, I don't think he has a prayer of winning.
Read again He joined the "Landowner" not the Homeowners ACC. They made him join the Homeowners ACC. Landowners paid $15 a year and there was no restictions as a Homeowners you pay more and live by there rules. so if the person next to you don't like that U.S. flag youfly they make you take it down...
That is correct. The 'legal' question is did he join the homeowners association. One news report implied that it was ruled he DID join because the 'landowner' association 'became' the 'homeowners' association. I guess his stand is that he didn't join the organization when it mutated or changed, but I have seen nothing other than really brief references to how that happened.

This actually makes sense since some of his early rant is based on 'not signing anything'. I guess the key will be did he make any payments at all, even by mistake, to the new organization (in the case he looses) or in the other direction did he sign a membership agreement (in the case he wins).

It's not always clear to consumers when and what they can do when organizations 'change'. Credit cards, for example. My bank in Texas had a fixed 3% with no fee. (Years ago when they were stupid!) They couldn't get out of it, so they 'sold' my cards to a group in Delaware that had a $50/yr fee and 21%. I sent them a certified letter of refusal, and that I considered the old agreement in effect. The new bank finally backed down, but on the next annual cycle they sent me a certified letter that any use of the card after receipt of the notice was considered acceptance of the new terms. But it was actually good for me, I had used the cards to move from Texas to the Northeast and had run both of them close to the max with paying the movers and getting into the new house. I was going to pay them both off with the company moving reimbursement check, but it was worthwhile to pay it off minimally every month at 3% (and just get 'local' bank cards anyway) when inflation was much more than that... Besides, credit card interest was still deductable on interest back then.

k9vm

01-17-2007, 05:51 AM

WHAT EVER HAPPEND TO PRB-1?

n1dvj

01-17-2007, 11:53 AM

Quote[/b] (k9vm @ Jan. 16 2007,22:51)]WHAT EVER HAPPEND TO PRB-1?
Boy, are YOU not in the real world!!!!

K7ZZY

01-17-2007, 04:20 PM

Quote[/b] (kb1gck @ Jan. 12 2007,06:31)]I think the Association paid off the good old boy judge. #Is this the type of thing that happens in a FREE country?
YES, is the answer to THAT question.

<span style='color:red'>The U$A isn't a democracy,
IT'S AN AUCTION!</span>

P.S. Just out of curiosity, what do the Shriners, the
Masons or the Loyal Order of Buffalos have to do with
a thread entitled "Alabama Ham Protest Home Owners Assoc"?

k0cmh

01-17-2007, 04:38 PM

Obviously grossly misinformed. #I'm a mason and proud of it. #The entertainment business has had a heyday lately, making all kinds of flase inuendos about the masons. #I guess that is where the statement came from.

A simple fact most often (or conviently) overlooked is the Shriner's Hospitals tht are all over the country. #To be a Shriner, one must first be a mason. #Shriner's put tons of money into, and work their rear-ends off, #those hositals so that they can operate. #They ask for no moneies from the patients they treat. #They make no restrictions at all on who can be a patient, other than their medical needs. #Visit a Shriner's hospital and you will see every nationality, race, creed, etc. in those beds. #Now tell me it is a supremist organization.

Get informed before you make rash statements like that.

How the heck did this post get attached to this thread? #I was posting to a diferent thread and have no idea how it got put here. #More wonders of the age of the computer. #So, never mind.

re-edit: Yes it does belong to this thread. I just didn't realize that I was on the last page of posts. It appeared a different thread at the end of the string. I stand by what I said here.

kg4fmx

01-18-2007, 05:30 PM

there is a issue here for all to take concern of developement.the laws of constuionan the amenmants of past laws should be followed by the people of the town concern with proconstruction of it laws and amenda laws at the present time of his or her instelation of a tower of ham radios, tv towers, or eccertracit towers. the towns and citys sude complie with the codes and local laws own construction compliances of towers. as a ham we should be worried that all off the people who want to tell you how an what to do with your tower will change it to there way of thinking. the hams and the goverment are tring to promote public entrest into ham radio. if this person is a cber why would his restriction be any diferent from ours. we all came from amatures so is this to say if we don't like you or what kind of tower that they have isn't this sending the rong message to all future hams. if his tower is in conplince with the town an the fcc laws why should a person of any nature be able to cause so much desturbents over a tower of any kind if there is no law to that effect. if this person went by the goverment and local laws then there is a issure that should be looked at very carefully. each community should have code enforesment rules to follow and if the party is with in conpliance there should be no problems. thanks for your time an efferts remmenberwe have people ever day trying to change the laws to sute ther needs. i hope that all will be resolved an hope that we see him in our ham community. cj lee http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

kg4fmx

01-18-2007, 05:59 PM

IF THIS IS TRUE WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT THE DET OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION AN THE FACT THAT HE OR SHE ENTERED INTO AGREEMENT WITH THE ASSIOATION THEN THESE SHOULD HAVE NOT BEEN A ISSUE ABOUT HAM RADIOS. YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT HO AN OTHER LAWS PRODUCED BY ASSIOATION THAT CONTROL PEOPLES LIVES AN THERE LAND USE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE PARTY SHOULD AWAYS LOOK AT WHEN BUYING. SO WITH THAT I THINK THAT ONLY THINGS PRETAINING TO HAM RADIO SHOULD BE EXERSIZED OWN THE NETWORK NOT THINGS OF ANOTHER NATURE. THANKS C.J.LEE http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

KC9ACX

01-19-2007, 04:37 PM

I am glad we still have people who stand up for what is right. They seem to so few of us left anymore

ac7dx

01-24-2007, 08:07 PM

Whats so difficult to understand? If HOA has a cc&r that says no antennas....it means no antennas. Sat antennas may be okay if FCC OTARD rules are followed to the letter.
I am in an HOA and I have a Sat dish, but I installed it with the FCC blessing. Pissed off the HOA, but law is law.
In the majority of HOA, you DO NOT own the land. you own the inside structure and area not known as "Common area" only. Live with it or buy somewhere else.
I park my mobile in the driveway, run 800 watts and talk to who I want.
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