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w2amr
12-22-2006, 10:03 AM
Excellent article
link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16316712/site/newsweek/)
I am amazed at how the cowboy-in-chief continues to get dumber and dumberer.
K0RGR
12-22-2006, 03:17 PM
We're approaching a point where we can't do ANYTHING without appearing to lose the war. And yes, losing the war would be a real problem.
I found the information about the 'secret negotiations with Iran' very interesting. If true, Mr. Booosh has torpedoed our best chance for success, already.
w0aew
12-22-2006, 03:40 PM
Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Dec. 22 2006,08:17)]If true, Mr. Booosh has torpedoed our best chance for success, already.
The man's stupidity and arrogance are truly astonishing yet they are exceeded by the foolishness and gullibility of his apologists. These people have managed to guarantee the success of Democratic victories for decades to come. GWB has surpassed Hoover.
G0GQK
12-22-2006, 10:27 PM
I couldn't open the link but I gather that Mr president has opened discussions with the government of Iran.
For many, many, years the British government refused to speak to the IRA. The killings, the bombings, the terrorism in the UK continued.
Until..........somebody decided it was about time the two sides started to talk. The talking has continued for a long time. The IRA and the British government have now decided the best way of resolving the problems of sectarianism is to meet and to talk and discuss.
You are probably unaware that there are children of both the Protestant and Catholic communities in Ulster who have never met #children of the other religion, and who regarded them as sired by the Devil himself.
This my friends is how many of the people in the Middle east regard Americans. They are brainwashed into believing that all Americans are sired by the Devil. It wouldn't change things if you gave them all a $ million.
The only way is to talk, take the heat away.
The Irish now are more peaceful and more relaxed in each others company than they have been for centuries.
Peace and goodwill to all men,
G0GQK
W2ILP
12-23-2006, 04:28 AM
Stop saying that the US lost the War in Iraq. #We did not lose the war...We only lost the occupation. #There is a big difference. #We won because we captured Saddam Hussein, killed his sons and scrambled his political Barth party. #We lost the occupation because we could not set up a puppet government that could control Iraq. #That is not anything we need to be blamed for. The US didn't need to invade Iraq to begin with...but since we did make that dumb mistake we are even dumnber to believe that we can determine when victory is won in occuped #Iraq. # What is the definition of Victory in Iraq?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #How many Muslims can we expect to convert?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif? # Can we expect to change their ciulture or erase their hatred of the US and Israel?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif # We should bring the troops home as soon as possible and declare a victory when we return our victorious troops to the victorious US without rebuilding Iraq matrialistically, socially, politically or religiously...After all victory means that it is the victor who should enjoy the spoils of war. If we spoiled Iraq it is us that should enjoy it and in doing so... claim a victory today.
W2ILP (I Like Peace)...but prefer to let others make war ...with each other...if need be....but not with us. # If we were able to stop terrorists from terrorizing other terrorists...than they would have more time to terrorize the U.S. # Getting out of Iraq and letting Iraqis be free to fight a Civil War is the best policy. # With a little luck the Iraq Civil War could last until the oil wells run dry centuries from now. # In my humble opinion that would be ultra victorious.
n4sva
12-23-2006, 04:37 AM
Being that our Generals are the ones asking for increased troops strength in Iraq. it's amazing that a far left hack from Newsweek like Christopher Dickey proclaims to know more about military strategy in Iraq than our military commanders do.
Quote[/b] (n4sva @ Dec. 22 2006,21:37)]Being that our Generals are the ones asking for increased troops strength in Iraq. it's amazing that a far left hack from Newsweek like Christopher Dickey proclaims to know more about military strategy in Iraq than our military commanders do.
And we all know how well the war is going.
W2ILP
12-23-2006, 04:44 AM
Yeah... A general is asking for increased troop strength in Iraq...BUT he himself is soon going to retire and stay home.
This reminds me of a Gilbert and Sullivan operetta but I won't sing it here.
w2ilp (I Loath Procrasticators)...who say as Jimmy Durante said...
Didja ever get the feeling that you wanted to go?...
BUT also got the feeling that you wanted to stay?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Ya gota go this away... that away... and scataway!
Cos that the onlyway you can getaway thataway!
n2ize
12-23-2006, 04:50 AM
Quote[/b] (n4sva @ Dec. 22 2006,21:37)]Being that our Generals are the ones asking for increased troops strength in Iraq. it's amazing that a far left hack from Newsweek like Christopher Dickey proclaims to know more about military strategy in Iraq than our military commanders do.
It doesn't take much for a war hungry president to tell his top generals that we are going to remain in Iraq and in turn have them request more troops. The same thing happened over and over during Vietnam. Meanwhile the people have spoken against the war, numerous study groups have reported and concluded that we are not accomplishing anything and we should get out. But like the steadfast tin soldier, the president stands stiff and chants the mantras "We're winnin", "we're stayin the course" over and over, like a computer that runs only one program that cannot be changed. Meanwhile people die in a war that should never have happened and the steadfast administration stays the course. Wonder what this war will have cost America by the time it is finally over. Whenever that may be.
n4sva
12-23-2006, 04:56 AM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 22 2006,21:50)]Quote[/b] (n4sva @ Dec. 22 2006,21:37)]Being that our Generals are the ones asking for increased troops strength in Iraq. it's amazing that a far left hack from Newsweek like Christopher Dickey proclaims to know more about military strategy in Iraq than our military commanders do.
It doesn't take much for a war hungry president to tell his top generals that we are going to remain in Iraq and in turn have them request more troops. The same thing happened over and over during Vietnam. Meanwhile the people have spoken against the war, numerous study groups have reported and concluded that we are not accomplishing anything and we should get out. But like the steadfast tin soldier, the president stands stiff and chants the mantras "We're winnin", "we're stayin the course" over and over, like a computer that runs only one program that cannot be changed. Meanwhile people die in a war that should never have happened and the steadfast administration stays the course. Wonder what this war will have cost America by the time it is finally over. Whenever that may be.
Perhaps Saddam still in power still possessing WMDs (before he moved them to Syria) would be more to your liking?
Quote[/b] (n4sva @ Dec. 22 2006,21:56)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 22 2006,21:50)]Quote[/b] (n4sva @ Dec. 22 2006,21:37)]Being that our Generals are the ones asking for increased troops strength in Iraq. it's amazing that a far left hack from Newsweek like Christopher Dickey proclaims to know more about military strategy in Iraq than our military commanders do.
It doesn't take much for a war hungry president to tell his top generals that we are going to remain in Iraq #and in turn have them request more troops. The same thing happened over and over during Vietnam. Meanwhile the people have spoken against the war, numerous study groups have reported and concluded #that we are not accomplishing anything and we should get out. But like the steadfast tin soldier, the president stands stiff #and chants the mantras "We're winnin", "we're stayin the course" over and over, like a computer that runs only one program that cannot be changed. Meanwhile people die in a war that should never have happened and the steadfast administration stays the course. Wonder what this war will have cost America by the time it is finally over. Whenever that may be.
Perhaps Saddam still in power still possessing WMDs (before he moved them to Syria) would be more to your liking?
If it were true.
n2ize
12-23-2006, 05:03 AM
Quote[/b] (K1OU @ Dec. 22 2006,21:58)]Quote[/b] (n4sva @ Dec. 22 2006,21:56)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 22 2006,21:50)]Quote[/b] (n4sva @ Dec. 22 2006,21:37)]Being that our Generals are the ones asking for increased troops strength in Iraq. it's amazing that a far left hack from Newsweek like Christopher Dickey proclaims to know more about military strategy in Iraq than our military commanders do.
It doesn't take much for a war hungry president to tell his top generals that we are going to remain in Iraq and in turn have them request more troops. The same thing happened over and over during Vietnam. Meanwhile the people have spoken against the war, numerous study groups have reported and concluded that we are not accomplishing anything and we should get out. But like the steadfast tin soldier, the president stands stiff and chants the mantras "We're winnin", "we're stayin the course" over and over, like a computer that runs only one program that cannot be changed. Meanwhile people die in a war that should never have happened and the steadfast administration stays the course. Wonder what this war will have cost America by the time it is finally over. Whenever that may be.
Perhaps Saddam still in power still possessing WMDs (before he moved them to Syria) would be more to your liking?
If it were true.
It doesn't have to be true. They only have to believe it is true.
wa4brl
12-23-2006, 06:04 AM
We don't have to win the war. We only have to believe we are winning the war.
w2amr
12-23-2006, 09:42 AM
Quote[/b] (wa4brl @ Dec. 22 2006,23:04)]We don't have to win the war. #We only have to believe we are winning the war.
I agree. Let's claim victory and leave.
w2amr
12-23-2006, 09:54 AM
Quote[/b] (n4sva @ Dec. 22 2006,21:37)]Being that our Generals are the ones asking for increased troops strength in Iraq. it's amazing that a far left hack from Newsweek like Christopher Dickey proclaims to know more about military strategy in Iraq than our military commanders do.
Judging from how the war is going, he probably does.
KA8NCR
12-23-2006, 03:33 PM
The real problem is that we've done to Iraq what fundamentalists have done to Iran. When fundamentalists took over Iran, the intellectuals and the most valuable portions of the society all fled -- some to the United States (like Anousheh Ansari (http://www.anoushehansari.com/about.php)).
Under the misconception of fighting terrorism caused by fundamentalist Islam, or under the cynical guise of doing so (there's a difference, if you're open minded you'll understand it), we've gone and made it easier for fundamentalists to inflict damage.
It's a huge mess and the only cure is to divide the country up into three chunks and let the Sunnis create a state, the Shias their own and the Kurds their own state (Turkey will love us for this one).
It just wasn't Bush and Cheney that are to blame for the war. Congress went along, drinking the same vitriolic Kool-Aid. The state governments could have sent messages to the federal government opposing the war -- we all went along. Maybe we were lied to, maybe Bush is just an incompetent ninny.
If I were Bush, I'd start making damned sure that the United States remains as a superpower. I'd start to shore-up the finances, get control of the dollar and find some energy independence because the war is going to cause this country a serious fall from grace. And once we're pushed over as a superpower, I wouldn't be surprised if a few other nations are able to bring war crimes charges against Bush and Cheney. If we're just a shadow of our former selves, I'm sure a threat against the dollar will cause the current government to round-up the suspects to avoid unruly and hungry citizens from marching on Washington.
Interesting prospect.
W2ILP
12-25-2006, 08:29 PM
There is no military strategy in Iraq. #Iraq is not a chess game. #We don't know who our enemies are. #We don't know who our friends are. #We don't know Arabic. #We don't know if we can trust translators, Iraqi police, Iraqi soldiers, Iraqi taxi drivers #or anti-Iraqi militias. #We don't know if we can pay Iraqis to be our friends. #We don't know which Iraqis are willing to sacrifice their own lives for their religious convictions. #We don't know a Sunni from a Swami or a Sumerian. #We don't know a sheeite from a KKK pillow case. What this all means is that even a super computer programmed to play and beat a chess master would be of little help. #Chess pieces can't change colors. #It also means that American soldiers are unable to separate innocent Iraqi civilians who are applying for jobs from terrorists that want to murder them for wanting to work for the Yankee dollar. . #I kid you not. # I say get out of Iraq because if we stay there long enough we may have to fight another generation of Iraqis...and the new generation will have been born to hate us even more.
We need to let Iraq evolve. #We can not be its intelligent designer because we aren't allowed into any of Iraq's mosques and can't answer questions of higher authorities who aren't so sure themselves which mountain Mohammad spoke to Allah on or if he was really a Kurdish hill billy.
It is not politically correct for the US to get politically involved with a religious war...Nor is it religiously correct for the US to get religiously involved with a political war. #It can not be a religious victory..That would be politically incorrect. #It can not be a political victory. #That would not be a religiously acceptable. #We are just going to settle for victory over the tyranny of Saddam Hussein
and realize that where his tyranny ended... lawlessness began!
GWB didn't want to wait for inspectors to be sure about WMDs to be sure that we should invade Iraq but now he wants to wait before we declare victory. # I say #quick to go in must be followed by quicker to get out.
w2ilp (Intelligence:- #Leave Posthaste)
ka5piu
12-25-2006, 10:00 PM
Quote[/b] (G0GQK @ Dec. 22 2006,15:27)]This my friends is how many of the people in the Middle east regard Americans. They are brainwashed into believing that all Americans are sired by the Devil. It wouldn't change things if you gave them all a $ million.
The only way is to talk, take the heat away.
The Irish now are more peaceful and more relaxed in each others company than they have been for centuries.
Peace and goodwill to all men,
G0GQK
Hello.
What we need is a meeting of all Muslims of all walks of life to get together in one place.
If we could get them to dress alike and act alike we would have it made.
Wait!? there is such a place!
It is called the Hajj.
This is in Saudi Arabia.