Virgin Birth

[N9XR]

The Story (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2513322,00.html) Quote[/b] ]Genetic tests conducted at the University of Liverpool have proved that all four born to a female called Sungai were conceived by parthenogenesis, a form of asexual reproduction that is known to take place in lizards but never documented in this species before.

[w3bny]

Soooo.. you saying that Jeebus is a lizard? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # LAWL!!



On edit... I was gonna mention Raptor-Jeebus.. but you wouldnt understand... heh.

[K8MHZ]

No, Bunny, No!

Quit pickin' on Jesus.

Apparently you don't watch South Park.

Cool article, I learned a new word.

[K8MHZ]

Now I see the edit...

Bunnehs are so fast!

[N6BOA]

Parthenogenic pregnancies are more common than people realize, yet they rarely make it to term.

(This is NOT to suggest they are common at all, just more so than one would expect).

[KC2ESD]

It Happen to one Female woman about 2006 years ago on the 25th of this month. That man grew up to be disliked and Crucified by sinners of his time. He did not have Red Hair but was disliked like he did.

Rick KC2ESD

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ Dec. 21 2006,20:54)]It Happen to one Female woman about 2006 years ago on the 25th of this month. That man grew up to be disliked and Crucified by sinners of his time. He did not have Red Hair but was disliked like he did.

Rick KC2ESD
Uh, if you read and comprehended the article the process doesn't happen in humans since they don't carry the same kinds of chromosomes. Would be rather difficult unless this female woman was in reality a lizard.

[N6BOA]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 21 2006,21:03)]Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ Dec. 21 2006,20:54)]It Happen to one Female woman about 2006 years ago on the 25th of this month. That man grew up to be disliked and Crucified by sinners of his time. He did not have Red Hair but was disliked like he did.

Rick KC2ESD
Uh, if you read and comprehended #the article the process doesn't happen in humans since they don't carry the same kinds of chromosomes. Would be rather difficult unless this female woman was in reality a #lizard.
Actually, it can happen to humans, and does. A meiotic process (meiosis II) does not take place for whatever reason. However, the pregnancy is very rarely viable so the embryo gets selected out before the woman even knew she was pregnant.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (N6BOA @ Dec. 21 2006,21:01)]Actually, it can happen to humans, and does. A meiotic process (meiosis II) does not take place for whatever reason. However, the pregnancy is very rarely viable so the embryo gets selected out before the woman even knew she was pregnant.
So a guy can get VD from a toilet seat and a gal can get preggers from a "meiotic process". All bases are covered! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[N6BOA]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 21 2006,22:57)]Quote[/b] (N6BOA @ Dec. 21 2006,21:01)]Actually, it can happen to humans, and does. A meiotic process (meiosis II) does not take place for whatever reason. However, the pregnancy is very rarely viable so the embryo gets selected out before the woman even knew she was pregnant.
So a guy can get VD from a toilet seat and a gal can get preggers from a "meiotic process". #All bases are covered! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Ignorance is bliss they say.

Parethenogenesis, however, is fact. C'est la vie, as it were. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Edited to add: Parthenogenesis, however, would not explain the "conception" of Jesus since, when this anomaly happens, the mother contributes two X chromosomes when meiosis II does not take place (of course, she would only contribute one X chromosome when meiosis II does take place, which normally it would). Therefore, all parthenogenic pregnancies result in female embryos (though, again, very rarely viable).

[N6BOA]

Chimerism is another anomaly of biology except heaps more common and only recently described. Cool stuff really.

[ac4ut]

In reference to the birth date of Jesus no one knows for sure.
The date of 12/25 was chosen for celebration for reasons that are debatable.
As far as the virgin birth it is debatable among non-believers.
As far as believers, a miracle can not be explained by means of earthly science.

[w3bny]

Quote[/b] (ac4ut @ Dec. 22 2006,06:12)]In reference to the birth date of Jesus no one knows for sure.
The date of 12/25 was chosen for celebration for reasons that are debatable.
As far as the virgin birth it is debatable among non-believers.
As far as believers, a miracle can not be explained by means of earthly science.
12/25 was chosen because of the pre-gregorian calander the winter equinox was on the 25th. When gregory decided to botch the thing up, it turned out to be the 22 but the whole xmas thing was kept on the 25th to keep the pagans in church. peh! Gimme a bonfire..

[ac4ut]

Quote[/b] (w3bny @ Dec. 22 2006,06:45)]Quote[/b] (ac4ut @ Dec. 22 2006,06:12)]In reference to the birth date of Jesus no one knows for sure.
The date of 12/25 was chosen for celebration for reasons that are debatable.
As far as the virgin birth it is debatable among non-believers.
As far as believers, a miracle can not be explained by means of earthly science.
12/25 was chosen because of the pre-gregorian calander the winter equinox was on the 25th. #When gregory decided to botch the thing up, it turned out to be the 22 but the whole xmas thing was kept on the 25th to keep the pagans in church. #peh! #Gimme a bonfire..
Yes ,but an agreement on the actual DOB is not settled. Some say Jan 8th ,some say August.
I will leave the argument to those that have more theological expertise than I do.
Which could be just about anyone.

[N9XR]

Quote[/b] (N6BOA @ Dec. 21 2006,17:44)]Chimerism is another anomaly of biology except heaps more common and only recently described. Cool stuff really.
Dave seems so blissful. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Thank you for your input to this discussion, Barb. There are many biological anomalies out there.

[WB2WIK]

So many misassumptions...

First of all, this process has occurred with humans and did yield one living male: Jim Morrison, "The Lizard King." http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Next, it's well known the reason Christmas has been selected to be December 25th is because that's the day all the stores are closed. They stay open very late on the 24th in honor of the birth date.

Parenthonegenesis is the creation of a set of parentheses (). I do it all the time like this () () () but lately have experimented with this version [] [] [] [] and this one <> <> <> <> and even this one {} {} {} {}. I like this last one because looking at it reminds me of Mick Jagger's lips on an album cover... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

WB2WIK/6

[n0jaa]

Quote[/b] (ac4ut @ Dec. 22 2006,09:59)]Yes ,but an agreement on the actual DOB is not settled. Some say Jan 8th ,some say August.
I will leave the argument to those that have more theological expertise than I do.
Which could be just about anyone.
No one knows the exact date, but many scholars believe that Jesus was born at some time during the late summer or early autumn. Other scholars have conjectured a possible year of around 4 or 5 BC on the current calendar.

[n2jso]

Quote[/b] (ac4ut @ Dec. 22 2006,08:59)]
Yes ,but an agreement on the actual DOB is not settled. Some say Jan 8th ,some say August.

Do you have any references on the Jan 8th DOB? That would be really cool - Jesus, Elvis and me all having the same birthday!

[N9XR]

I believe I have seen the image of N2JSO on a tortilla in a restaurant in Austin as well.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (N6BOA @ Dec. 21 2006,22:01)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 21 2006,21:03)]Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ Dec. 21 2006,20:54)]It Happen to one Female woman about 2006 years ago on the 25th of this month. That man grew up to be disliked and Crucified by sinners of his time. He did not have Red Hair but was disliked like he did.

Rick KC2ESD
Uh, if you read and comprehended the article the process doesn't happen in humans since they don't carry the same kinds of chromosomes. Would be rather difficult unless this female woman was in reality a lizard.
Actually, it can happen to humans, and does. A meiotic process (meiosis II) does not take place for whatever reason. However, the pregnancy is very rarely viable so the embryo gets selected out before the woman even knew she was pregnant.
Thanks.I stand corrected. So it can happen in humans but most likely won't lead to an actual pregnancy. Interesting.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Dec. 22 2006,06:34)]Quote[/b] (N6BOA @ Dec. 21 2006,17:44)]Chimerism is another anomaly of biology except heaps more common and only recently described. Cool stuff really.
Dave seems so blissful. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Thank you for your input to this discussion, Barb. There are many biological anomalies out there.
I am a bit pieced together from chunks of Conservative and Liberal biology, but I was made -- Mary Shellyed -- that way, not born. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[n2jso]

Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Dec. 22 2006,14:46)]I believe I have seen the image of N2JSO on a tortilla in a restaurant in Austin as well.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Hope the image didn't frighten the children!

[N9XR]

Not too badly. One of my children has to drink his food through a straw, but he seems happy.

[KL1ZB]

Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ Dec. 20 2006,21:54)]It Happen to one Female woman about 2006 years ago on the 25th of this month. That man grew up to be disliked and Crucified by sinners of his time. He did not have Red Hair but was disliked like he did.

Rick KC2ESD
Are you talking about the first FCC Employee?

[W2ILP]

I didn't know if it was a hoax...but virgin birth was supposed to have occurred when a female rabbit had a bunch of female bunnies. The explanation was that the mother rabbit was bisexual and fertilized herself. In other words the whole thing was an inside job. I read about it a long time ago..so I can't be sure it wasn't a hoax...or perhaps the rabbit was artificially fertilized and it was just an example of a test tube birth , which is certainly possible. Biologists say that if this self fertilization process really takes place all of the offspring must be female clones. Since Jesus was a male, I guess we must discount this sort of thing.

I don't like to deny the Christian legend of immaculate birth here ...because that would be irreverent. Besides we can never know for sure because they didn't know about DNA testing at the time. I don't know if the mother of Jesus KNEW who the father of Jesus was. Christians must believe that Jesus came to pass and God only KNEW how. You see the word "KNEW" means different things in some Bibles. Sometimes if a passage said that someone KNEW someone ..it meant that they had sexual relations or they slept together...or they were married...They couldn't use X rated words when they translated from the Hebrew scrolls.
They could only say, "Go, KNOW yourself!"

As an atheist I certainly can deny with good odds that it was in any way possible (in fact it was improbable) for many reasons....but for those who have faith in it I see no harm in believing it is possible.

It is possible for a drop of semen to enter a virgina without there ever being any sexual penetration and this could be the result of ardent foreplay. If all conditions are right this could produce what appears to be a virgin birth...but in this case, there is actually a father involved. If the resulting baby is delivered by a Caesarean procedure, the mother's hyman could remain intact.
Nothing in...nothing out!

Some live bearing reptiles and fish are capable of producing several batches of babies from a single mating. The females apparently store the males sperm. I guess it is all part of survival of the data due to accurately stored back up.

w2ilp (Internal Lizard Propagation)..Some lizards can change color...Some can regrow legs and tails when they are bitten off. Lizards are cold blooded animals. It is a wonder that humans can survive more prolifically than lizards...but maybe that is because we are sexier creatures than lizards...I think. I just learned that there once were 40 ton dinosaurs roaming in Spain. Maybe they didn't need to use sexual reproduction methods or even get pregnant. Maybe they were all females. Maybe their eggs were self fertilized. I guess that they died out because of boredom and the fact that they had no natural friends..

[W1GUH]

Quote[/b] (w3bny @ Dec. 21 2006,07:45)]Quote[/b] (ac4ut @ Dec. 22 2006,06:12)]In reference to the birth date of Jesus no one knows for sure.
The date of 12/25 was chosen for celebration for reasons that are debatable.
As far as the virgin birth it is debatable among non-believers.
As far as believers, a miracle can not be explained by means of earthly science.
12/25 was chosen because of the pre-gregorian calander the winter equinox was on the 25th. #When gregory decided to botch the thing up, it turned out to be the 22 but the whole xmas thing was kept on the 25th to keep the pagans in church. #peh! #Gimme a bonfire..
Wow! Has the Earth's orbit changed. Soooo....they had an equinox in December back then. That'd be cool! he-he.

[k5rna]

Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ Dec. 21 2006,20:54)]It Happen to one Female woman about 2006 years ago on the 25th of this month. That man grew up to be disliked and Crucified by sinners of his time. He did not have Red Hair but was disliked like he did.

Rick KC2ESD
Rick..Please tell us how you know Jesus didn't have red hair.This would make world news as no one else in the world knows what color his hair was.

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (k5rna @ Dec. 22 2006,17:44)]Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ Dec. 21 2006,20:54)]It Happen to one Female woman about 2006 years ago on the 25th of this month. That man grew up to be disliked and Crucified by sinners of his time. He did not have Red Hair but was disliked like he did.

Rick KC2ESD
Rick..Please tell us how you know Jesus didn't have red hair.This would make world news as no one else in the world knows what color his hair was.
Come on, this is an easy one.

Jesus lived before color TV, it was only black & white back then. So, we're pretty sure he was white, but then again, reception was crappy back in those days...he could've been black.

WB2WIK/6

[W2ILP]

Many Christians don't know it but there was another virgin discovered in the new world by Saint Diego (for who San Diego was named). #The Latin American virgin is known as "Our Lady Guadalupe". #I kid you not. #Diego really believed an American Indian virgin was a miracle! #I don't think it was a miracle myself. #I'm sure that there might be many Latin American Indian virgins...especially if you include very young ones....and very ugly ones. # I apologize in advance because I got this information from an agnostic Spanish teacher who never ever went #further south than Tiajanna herself....Her story could be the result of a poor translation....and I want all to know that I respect all Latin- American women without any need for assumptions of miraculous conceptions..

w2ilp (Immaculate Lady Possibility)

[k2vhw]

BLASPHEMY!!! you folks best not stand outdoors in a thunderstorm:p

[W2ILP]

There are those who give presents... not on Christmas but in January after New Years day. This is when baby Jesus is believed to have goten his gifts from the wise men...not when he was born ...but at least eight days later, when he was circumsized, as all Jewish baby boys are. This day is called a Briss in Hebrew and El Dia De Los Reyes in Spanish. I can think of a joke to say here...but I won't.

w2ilp (Infant's Loving Presents)..en enero sobre El Dia del Briss.

[K0HWY]

Twenty years ago, I'd have been shocked and saddened to have read such blasphemy. Today, I'm only saddened. Oh well, carry on.

[KA8NCR]

Quote[/b] (K0HWY @ Dec. 23 2006,02:22)]Twenty years ago, I'd have been shocked and saddened to have read such blasphemy. Today, I'm only saddened. Oh well, carry on.
Then you're really not going to like this:


Why doesn't Jesus eat M&M's?

Because they fall through the holes in his hands.

[W1GUH]

Then there's the young lady that went to the doctor because of symptons of nasua in the morning. #The doctor listened to her and had a battery of tests, including urinalysis, run.

After he got the results, and when she was sitting across his desk in his office, he said that it would be good to inform whoever she had had intimate contact with to be informed.

She replied that she hadn't had any intimate contact.

Upon hearing this, the doctor got up, went to the window, and started searching for something.

When the young lady asked him what he was looking for, he replied,

"Well, the last time this happened a bright star shone in the east."



Or how about...

"You think that hurts? #Imagine having it broken from the inside.

[K0HWY]

Yeah, some really top notch, classy material there.

[W1GUH]

OK, humor aside, there's something that even non-believer have to grant...

(This is a paraphrase of the best part of the Radio City Christmas Spectacular show..)

Whoever or whatever Jesus was (or...whoever dreamed up the concept), the fact is that that one man (or idea) had a message so powerful and good that it has affected the world more than any King, elected official, dictator, army or navy or weapon system ever has. #He has permeated all of our lives to an extant that all our lives would be unimaginably different had he (or the concept) not existed. #And this is a man who was born into poverty, never traveled more than thirty miles from where he was born, and didn't have the mass communication advantages we have today.

You can't argue with that...it's what is.

IMHO, that alone is enough reason to at least be aware of his message.

Merry Chirstmas!

And remember, if there was no Easter, there wouldn't BE a Christmas.

73,

Paul

[KA8DKT]

One form of natural parthenogenesis in humans occurs as dermoid cysts. #These strange anomolies can occur in both male and female humans. #Sometimes these cysts occur in the testicles, interior body cavities, vaginal walls, and the like. #In extreme cases these cysts have been shown to contain early teeth, vertebrae, umbilical cords and such. #None ever reach any kind of maturity, of course, except as cysts that need to be removed.

No miracles here, just malfunctions of nature.

The British medical journal Lancet published at least one article in the '50s concerning some women who apparently had experienced parthenogenesis. #They concluded that it is possible in humans, based on their observations of these women. #Of course, this really is little different than a "natural" form of cloning and the progeny are female...not male. #There were apparently a number of causes including the pH of the fallopian tubes and womb. #High alkylinity seems to be a contributing factor.

Another form of parthenogenesis is artificial cloning. #Human cloning has not yet been successfully performed but when it does happen, no miracle there either, just careful manipulation by other humans.

Parthenogenesis in mammals rarely if ever yields a being that can mature and reproduce.

-gary

[KA8DKT]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Dec. 22 2006,23:56)]There are those who give presents... not on Christmas but in January after New Years day. #This is when baby Jesus is believed to have goten his gifts from the wise men...not when he was born ...but at least eight days later, when he was circumsized, as all Jewish baby boys are. # This day is called a Briss in Hebrew and El Dia De Los Reyes in Spanish. #I can think of a joke to say here...but I won't.

w2ilp (Infant's Loving Presents)..en enero sobre El Dia del Briss.
Ah, you must mean the Bris.

-gary

[W2ILP]

w1guh
I agree that the world might be a lot different if Jesus (or the Biblical stories of Jesus) would have never existed. #If there was no Jesus there would be no Christians and God only knows if the folks who never became Christians would be Jews or Muslims today?

Some historians say that Christianity would not have survived if it had not spread to Rome. #This is because it didn't influence most of the people in the region where it started. #Thus we can't be sure that there were many who were witness to the agony of Christ's crucifiction....until it was rerun in a movie. # If there were satellites and video camcorders at the time of Jesus, would the people of the world see His miracles? #...and even if they could would they believe Him to be God?

Heck Penn and Teller do some tricks that I can't explain...but nobody worships them.

...as he died to make men holy, let us die to make men free...
His truth is marching on.

But is it?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #Jesus didn't free any slaves. # The Union army did that.

Does evidence from Jesus' life prove it makes sense to believe in Him?
I dunno because if I believed in Christ I would be forsaking my Jewish heritage..and vice versa...as a result I believe nothing about any God. #I dunno if there is one God or many but I certainly can't believe in many God just because other people of many faiths might believe in them. #I can't bring myself to believe that all Gods are the same one God. #Thus it makes sense for me to believe in no God...even though I know that an atheist can't be elected president of the U.S.A....even when it might come to pass that a Black Catholic Lesbian might make it.

According to scriptures we are all born in sin. #I was born in The Bronx. # I worked and saved up my money so that I could move out of The Bronx. #Jesus wouldn't save me from the Big Apple...I had to do that myself. # This proves to me that it is not what I believe that counts...Its what I accomplish myself. #There are a lot of people in the world who live in the perpetual dream of salvation and an after life in heaven. #This gives them a reason to avoid sensible work on Earth that might prove productive. #It sometimes gives them prudish prejudices against those who want to be productive. #In my opinion they mistake mental maturity for mercenary materialism. #In my opinion you have to do more than accept Jesus in your lives...you have to accept IRS and FCC regulations.

Respectful Merry Christmas to all and to all their concepts of Gods and visions of saccharine plums....because it is considered politically correct and the American way....and it is brain warming for some...even those who have cold heart by-passes....I think.

Ask not Christ what he can do for man...ask yourself what you can do for women.
(It is believed by some sages that only God knows what women want....but you have to figure it out for yourself. #Originality counts.)

w2ilp (Infant's Life Proving)...it takes sense of smell to know when it is time to make a change.

[KI6FFF]

The only other virgin birth I know about was Anakin Skywalker from Star Wars. His mother was never married nor had a mate.

[W2ILP]

ki6fff

OK on Anakin Skywalker...but don't forget that Grim never mentioned who Rumplestiltskin's father was or if he just happened to be...and even Disney couldn't acount for any possibility of prolific parents for the Seven Dwarfs.

w2ilp (Idolizing Legandary Parents?)...Nah... These characters owe their birth to Indian ink.

[K9QJ]

Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ Dec. 21 2006,21:54)]It Happen to one Female woman about 2006 years ago on the 25th of this month. That man grew up to be disliked and Crucified by sinners of his time. He did not have Red Hair but was disliked like he did.

Rick KC2ESD
Female woman?

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ Dec. 23 2006,15:13)]Why doesn't Jesus eat M&M's?

Because they fall through the holes in his hands.
That joke is based on another false notion, commonly held through the ages, even deceiving Mel Gibson as he made his film Passion of the Christ. Death by crucifixion was far more gruesome than what is pictured in most of the well-known paintings by European artists from the middle ages. When a person was crucified, the nails were never driven through the palm of the hand. The structure of the hand would not be strong enough to support the weight of the body, at the angle of the outstretched arms. The nail would have simply ripped through the thin tissue between the finger bones.

Instead, it was likely to have been a much more painful process. A large nail, about the size of a railway spike, was driven through the wrist, to lodge between the two major bones in the forearm. In that space is also a large nerve - the same one that passes by the elbow, that we sometimes call the "funnybone" because it is so sensitive to shock when it is accidentally struck. When the nail went through the wrist in between those bones, it literally crushed that nerve, something that would cause excruciating pain. In fact, that word "excruciating" means "exiting from the cross," referring to the undescribable agony of crucifixion.

[ei5ja]

Quote[/b] (WB2WIK @ Dec. 22 2006,11:33)]So many misassumptions...

First of all, this process has occurred with humans and did yield one living male: Jim Morrison, "The Lizard King." http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Next, it's well known the reason Christmas has been selected to be December 25th is because that's the day all the stores are closed. # They stay open very late on the 24th in honor of the birth date.

Parenthonegenesis is the creation of a set of parentheses (). #I do it all the time like this () () () but lately have experimented with this version [] [] [] [] and this one <> <> <> <> and even this one {} {} {} {}. #I like this last one because looking at it reminds me of Mick Jagger's lips on an album cover... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

WB2WIK/6
Witty. Thanks for the giggle om.
73 Ed http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[AG3Y]

Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ Dec. 26 2006,05:17)]Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ Dec. 23 2006,15:13)]Why doesn't Jesus eat M&M's?

Because they fall through the holes in his hands.
That joke is based on another false notion, commonly held through the ages, even deceiving Mel Gibson as he made his film Passion of the Christ. Death by crucifixion was far more gruesome than what is pictured in most of the well-known paintings by European artists from the middle ages. When a person was crucified, the nails were never driven through the palm of the hand. The structure of the hand would not be strong enough to support the weight of the body, at the angle of the outstretched arms. The nail would have simply ripped through the thin tissue between the finger bones.

Instead, it was likely to have been a much more painful process. A large nail, about the size of a railway spike, was driven through the wrist, to lodge between the two major bones in the forearm. In that space is also a large nerve - the same one that passes by the elbow, that we sometimes call the "funnybone" because it is so sensitive to shock when it is accidentally struck. When the nail went through the wrist in between those bones, it literally crushed that nerve, something that would cause excruciating pain. In fact, that word "excruciating" means "exiting from the cross," referring to the undescribable agony of crucifixion.
KYV a sincere "Thank you ! " for that reminder !

73, and Merry Christmas , Jim

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ Dec. 26 2006,01:17)]A large nail, about the size of a #railway spike, was driven through the wrist, to lodge between the two major bones in the forearm. #In that space is also a large nerve - the same one that passes by the elbow, that we sometimes call the "funnybone" because it is so sensitive to shock when it is accidentally struck. #When the nail went through the wrist in between those bones, it literally crushed that nerve, something that would cause excruciating pain. #In fact, that word "excruciating" means "exiting from the cross," referring to the undescribable agony of crucifixion.
To think the Romans lined the Via Appia highway with 6,000 crucifixions.