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ETA: "Will it STILL broadcast code practice...."
After the new report and order goes into effect? #And, if so, why, since it seems that CW is no longer needed; talk about "Cloud Warming"...... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Call the ARRL and ask them. Another troll.
Anyway so we can get some use out of this thread, I want to wish everyone on QRZ a Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays or whatever the PC term is for what you do. I am going back to Pensacola for a couple days and also to visit with my AM buddies down there.
Best wishes to you all!
ab8ma
12-21-2006, 04:27 PM
Why wouldn't they? CW is still a valuable skill to know. Nobody was born with that knowledge. Practice is as important as always.
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 21 2006,12:24)].........Another troll.
Let's not get personal here, I resemble that remark.
It's a valid question, maybe not tomorrow but at some point in the future it will.
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They aren't going to broadcast any more code practice because no one uses code anymore.
VE9SY
12-21-2006, 05:40 PM
Just because the FCC has decided it is no longer nessasary to test for it doesn't mean you will stop hearing it. There are plenty of people that will still use and want to learn this method of comunication. Here in Canada RAC still promotes it. They even have an award system to encourage people to use it.
With all the CW contests on the air people will learn it so they can participte. Those that have no intrest will stick to the voice portion on the bands
Plenty of people (including me) listen to the broadcasts to better our CW skills.
Quote[/b] ] And, if so, why, since it seems that CW is no longer needed; talk about "Cloud Warming"...... #
It may not be needed to get a license but that doesn't mean nobody uses it.
You're not advocating the banishment of the mode and "refarming" of the sub bands are you?
K0HWY
12-21-2006, 05:47 PM
Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Dec. 21 2006,12:27)]They aren't going to broadcast any more code practice because no one uses code anymore.
Yup, you heard it here first. Maybe now that he has the answer he's looking for, he'll go on paTROLL someplace else. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
If they stop the on-air code practice, I will be very disappointed. For me, It may be the straw that breaks the camels back, as far as the ARRL goes.
WB8MKV
12-21-2006, 06:15 PM
They aren't going to broadcast any more code practice because no one uses code anymore..............What do you mean no one uses code anymore ?, there are tons of us who are 100% code...
K0HWY
12-21-2006, 06:19 PM
Quote[/b] (WB8MKV @ Dec. 21 2006,13:15)]They aren't going to broadcast any more code practice because no one uses code anymore..............What do you mean no one uses code anymore ?, there are tons of us who are 100% code...
Easy OM... it was sarcasm... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
W5HTW
12-21-2006, 06:25 PM
While there are many of us who use CW just about exclusively, I think the ARRL is more interested in the future of internet-via-ham radio. It seems likely they will continue code practice sessions for a short while, but the ARRL has to cater to the majority and that majority will very soon be hams who know no code at all. Lots of us who do know it will remain, but the ARRL will go where the money goes, and that will be with the no code licensees/upgrades.
So my prediction would be they will stop code practice a few months (if not sooner) after the new rules actually go into effect. Perhaps they will have Winlink practice?
It seems likely they will 'go with the flow' (which is the path of least resistance, clearly) and stop CW bulletins as well.
Sure, one could ask them, but I think the answer would depend upon who did the asking. If an OF with CW skills asked, the ARRL would probably say no, they have no plans to discontinue CW bulletins/practice. If a NCT, NCG, or NCE asks, I think the answer might be something like "Yes, as soon as we write up our new schedules."
It probably also depends upon who at the ARRL you ask. Some don't appear to have any idea of what the ARRL is doing, plans to do, or even has done. So getting a reliable answer could be impossible for a while. Kick back and wait.
Ed
Quote[/b] (WB8MKV @ Dec. 21 2006,13:15)]They aren't going to broadcast any more code practice because no one uses code anymore..............What do you mean no one uses code anymore ?, there are tons of us who are 100% code...
Yeah, including me... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
(well not 100% code, but I use code off and on, and also participate in CW contests)
Quote[/b] (AB3BK @ Dec. 21 2006,12:51)]If they stop the on-air code practice, I will be very disappointed. For me, It may be the straw that breaks the camels back, as far as the ARRL goes.
They're not going to stop it.
Why?
The speeds they've had for practice are well in excess of what is required for the 5WPM exam.
It costs them very little and take very little effort to send out the code practice.
They recently did all of that antenna work. Do you think they're going to waste their effort?
And finally... their targets were NOT only those who were practicing for element 1. People who were practicing for element 1 mostly used other methods anyway.
Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Dec. 21 2006,14:25)]While there are many of us who use CW just about exclusively, I think the ARRL is more interested in the future of internet-via-ham radio. #It seems likely they will continue code practice sessions for a short while, but the ARRL has to cater to the majority and that majority will very soon be hams who know no code at all........ # #
Ed
Well, I'm not alone, there's at least one other forward thinking person around here.
wb7dmx
12-21-2006, 07:18 PM
Quote[/b] (KB8ANN @ Dec. 21 2006,11:58)]Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Dec. 21 2006,14:25)]While there are many of us who use CW just about exclusively, I think the ARRL is more interested in the future of internet-via-ham radio. #It seems likely they will continue code practice sessions for a short while, but the ARRL has to cater to the majority and that majority will very soon be hams who know no code at all........ # #
Ed
Well, I'm not alone, there's at least one other forward thinking person around here.
I believe that the only purpose of the W1AW radio station to be on the air is for the code practice sessions.
if they were to stop that operation, then it would no longer be of any use, and would no longer need any support to keep it on the air, or even to be a member of that organization any more.
W1AW code practice has been a great help for many hams over the many years.
I always listen to it every chance I get.
and I love the monthly proficiency run, it has helped me get my code speed up over the years.
In my mind, it seems that there is a crying need for some group ( like S.P.A.R. for example ) to set up a proficiency award for people who can prove they can copy 10,15,20 and higher CW rates. It might not make that much difference to others, but if an operator sees some sort of certificate hanging on the wall indicating that he/she has reached a certain plateau, it just might spur him/her on to be a better operator !
Kinda like the "1st Class Operator" award of several years ago. Anybody remember that certificate?
73, and Merry Christmas. Jim
As far as I know you can still get Code Profiency certiciates from the ARRL with endorsements even though the current exam is 5 wpm.
My wife has one for 25 wpm. I have one for 20 wpm. She was always better at copying than me. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
K0HWY
12-21-2006, 07:35 PM
Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ Dec. 21 2006,14:25)]In my mind, it seems that there is a crying need for some group ( like S.P.A.R. for example ) to set up a proficiency award for people who can prove they can copy 10,15,20 and higher CW rates. It might not make that much difference to others, but if an operator sees some sort of certificate hanging on the wall indicating that he/she has reached a certain plateau, it just might spur him/her on to be a better operator !
Kinda like the "1st Class Operator" award of several years ago. Anybody remember that certificate?
73, and Merry Christmas. Jim
That would be fine. Maybe it's not a government recognized accomplishment, but as you said, it would be a great personal motivator.
Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ Dec. 21 2006,07:25)]In my mind, it seems that there is a crying need for some group ( like S.P.A.R. for example ) to set up a proficiency award for people who can prove they can copy 10,15,20 and higher CW rates.
I think YOU might be the only one crying for this. I already have over ten thousand "proficiency awards" that prove I can copy Morse code at 30, 40, 50 WPM and higher. Its called my LOGBOOK!
As Ozzie Smith, Retired Shortstop for the World Champion St. Louis Cardinals once said, "It ain't bragging if you can really do it!"
Happy Holidays!
Scott NĜIU
K0RGR
12-21-2006, 08:28 PM
Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ Dec. 21 2006,12:25)]In my mind, it seems that there is a crying need for some group ( like S.P.A.R. for example ) to set up a proficiency award for people who can prove they can copy 10,15,20 and higher CW rates. It might not make that much difference to others, but if an operator sees some sort of certificate hanging on the wall indicating that he/she has reached a certain plateau, it just might spur him/her on to be a better operator !
Kinda like the "1st Class Operator" award of several years ago. Anybody remember that certificate?
73, and Merry Christmas. Jim
ARRL already has just such a program - it goes up to 40 WPM.
I think they may want to establish a new certificate for 5 WPM - the current certificates start at 10.
The new question should be "Have you got your '40'?".
The ARRL Code Proficiency award is tougher than the actual exams. There aren't any 10 question tests. You have to send in your actual copy.
N8CPA
12-21-2006, 08:44 PM
Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ Dec. 21 2006,15:25)]In my mind, it seems that there is a crying need for some group ( like S.P.A.R. for example ) to set up a proficiency award for people who can prove they can copy 10,15,20 and higher CW rates. #It might not make that much difference to others, but if an operator sees some sort of certificate hanging on the wall indicating that he/she has reached a certain plateau, it just might spur him/her on to be a better operator !
Kinda like the "1st Class Operator" award of several years ago. #Anybody remember that certificate?
73, and Merry Christmas. #Jim
I think another good program would be a kind of "guard"
program. A schedule of hams to call CQ N/T on the allocations, so that those who do get interested can get
2-way practice.
ab8ma
12-21-2006, 08:54 PM
Look at the title to Fred's thread, and do some word manipulation.
"ARRL Bulletin on Morse Code Elimination "
"ARRL on Morse Code Bulletin Elimination "
VA3GRV
12-21-2006, 11:07 PM
Quote[/b] (KB8ANN @ Dec. 21 2006,09:15)]ETA: "Will it STILL broadcast code practice...."
After the new report and order goes into effect? #And, if so, why, since it seems that CW is no longer needed; talk about "Cloud Warming"...... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I must say this is the best one ever!! LOLOL
HIHIHI http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
N4AUD
12-21-2006, 11:20 PM
I hope they keep it going, and has been said it is very easy for them to do it. I see no reason to quit, and since CW is a mode that requires skill (unlike the other digital modes) on air code practice is a valuable service. Removal of a code test doesn't mean it's going away as a communications mode.
And BTW, I keep seeing comments about code vs. digital modes. Morse code IS a digital mode, but you don't have to have a computer involved. There seems to be some confusion about this.
And speaking of the digital modes, W1AW STILL broadcasts teleprinter bulletins using 100-baud AMTOR, FEC Mode B, 110-baud ASCII (as time allows). You "newbies" will have to look that one up in the history books to learn about that mode!
Scott NĜIU
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Dec. 21 2006,13:42)]Quote[/b] ] And, if so, why, since it seems that CW is no longer needed; talk about "Cloud Warming"...... #
It may not be needed to get a license but that doesn't mean nobody uses it.
You're not advocating the banishment of the mode and "refarming" of the sub bands are you?
Nope, not at all, I'm one of those "Know-Code" guys and I am not advocating the abandonment of W1AW and code practice broadcast, just the opposite.
While listening to code practice, the thought struck me that long term, the future of CW was the same as some obscure native Indian dialects; extinction because of lack of instruction and use.
Sure, CW will always be around as a mode but, it will truly become a digital mode; sent from keyboards and decoded with the help of microchips.
It's just logical, if code isn't a requirement, why broadcast practice for it; "Qualifying Runs" for what? #Somewhere in the future there will be a challenge made to end support of code completely, will there be enough OF's around to face this battle?
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KC0OFZ
12-22-2006, 02:26 AM
Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Dec. 21 2006,11:25)]While there are many of us who use CW just about exclusively, I think the ARRL is more interested in the future of internet-via-ham radio. #It seems likely they will continue code practice sessions for a short while, but the ARRL has to cater to the majority and that majority will very soon be hams who know no code at all. #Lots of us who do know it will remain, but the ARRL will go where the money goes, and that will be with the no code licensees/upgrades. #
So my prediction would be they will stop code practice a few months (if not sooner) after the new rules actually go into effect. #Perhaps they will have Winlink practice? #
It seems likely they will 'go with the flow' (which is the path of least resistance, clearly) #and stop CW bulletins as well. #
Sure, one could ask them, but I think the answer would depend upon who did the asking. #If an OF with CW skills asked, the ARRL would probably say no, they have no plans to discontinue CW bulletins/practice. #If a NCT, NCG, or NCE asks, I think the answer might be something like "Yes, as soon as we write up our new schedules." #
It probably also depends upon who at the ARRL you ask. #Some don't appear to have any idea of what the ARRL is doing, plans to do, or even has done. #So getting a reliable answer could be impossible for a while. #Kick back and wait. #
Ed
This is the route the league WILL most likely take. Pander to those who want CW removed and eliminated and gone. If the league is still transmitting CW at the end of '07 it will be amazing. The sell-out has gone this far...why stop now.
Quote[/b] (KC0OFZ @ Dec. 21 2006,19:26)]This is the route the league WILL most likely take. #Pander to those who want CW removed and eliminated and gone. #If the league is still transmitting CW at the end of '07 it will be amazing. #The sell-out has gone this far...why stop now.
You're probably right. #The future of ham radio is digital modes and Internet as far as the League is concerned simply because the 'Net is Amateur Radio's biggest competitor for new blood. #Which would explain the League's love affair with WinLink and Echolink.
We've all heard the argument: "Who needs ham radio? #You don't need a license for a computer." #To which I reply, "Yeah...so far."
Ham tickets are going to become just another version of the restricted radiotelephone permit the way things seem to be headed.
I hate to see it but there is little or nothing we can do to stop it.
In response to an email I sent W1AW, Joe Carcia, NJ1Q, answered:
Quote[/b] ]
Hi Rob,
At this point in time, we see no reason to discontinue sending Morse
code practice and bulletins or Qualifying Runs.
Although the FCC has dropped the Morse code requirement for the license,
it doesn't mean there's no longer support for Morse code! Thankfully,
amateurs are still able to use it (and practice it, too.)
Thank you for writing!
73 es Happy Holidays!
Joseph Carcia, NJ1Q
W1AW Station Manager
W1AW ListServer Admin.
DXAC(I) & CAC(I) Lists Admin.
DX-CHECK (I) & VUAC (I) Lists Admin.
ARRL Museum
email: nj1q@arrl.org
Phone: (860) 594-0208
Fax: (860) 594-0299
http://www.arrl.org/w1aw.html
Rob,
NV5E
N5PVL
12-22-2006, 09:15 AM
I think the ARRL should discontinue the CW practice transmissions because they do not deserve the honor.
PE1RDW
12-22-2006, 09:32 AM
Quote[/b] (N5PVL @ Dec. 22 2006,11:15)]I think the ARRL should discontinue the CW practice transmissions because they do not deserve the honor.
Anyone can put up practice and bullitain transmitions. if you think you can do it then go ahead and do it.
Even if it is just once a month any activety in any mode is welcome. (civiliced and lawfull offcourse)
N5PVL
12-22-2006, 09:57 AM
I have done practice transmissions over the local VHF repeater, using the EchoStation announcement/repeater controller software and a program I once had that converted text files into morse code audio. - I'd play five minutes of 5wpm Farnsworth code, then another audio file where I carefully read out the text so everybody could check their copy. If I remember correctly, it took less than nine minutes to send the two audio files. ( repeater timeout )
N8CPA
12-22-2006, 12:03 PM
Quote[/b] (n0iu @ Dec. 21 2006,19:31)]And speaking of the digital modes, W1AW STILL broadcasts teleprinter bulletins using 100-baud AMTOR, FEC Mode B, 110-baud ASCII (as time allows). You "newbies" will have to look that one up in the history books to learn about that mode!
Scott NĜIU
Not only that, but Morse is still used by such entities
as NMN, WLO, WCC, etc. as markers for their SITOR (AMTOR-ARQ) channels. And AMTOR is still the format for NAVTEX.
The pattern of the League's rule making petitions seems to indicate a desire to make Amateur radio a mirror of marine services, anyway. Since Morse and classic digital modes are still being used in those allocations, I think the League will continue to transmit CW bulletins, at least. And I think ceasing CW practice sessions might drive even life members out of the club. Let's hope they think so, at least.
AA0CX
12-22-2006, 12:53 PM
Quote[/b] (WB8MKV @ Dec. 21 2006,11:15)]They aren't going to broadcast any more code practice because no one uses code anymore..............What do you mean no one uses code anymore ?, there are tons of us who are 100% code...
Yup. Me too. Nothing against the other modes, but I'm a CW kind of guy. I still check my copy against W1AW. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Quote[/b] (AA0CX @ Dec. 22 2006,07:53)]Quote[/b] (WB8MKV @ Dec. 21 2006,11:15)]They aren't going to broadcast any more code practice because no one uses code anymore..............What do you mean no one uses code anymore ?, there are tons of us who are 100% code...
Yup. Me too. Nothing against the other modes, but I'm a CW kind of guy. I still check my copy against W1AW. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I was only joking... Jeez!
kc4ylv
12-22-2006, 11:31 PM
Quote[/b] ]In my mind, it seems that there is a crying need for some group ( like S.P.A.R. for example ) to set up a proficiency award for people who can prove they can copy 10,15,20 and higher CW rates. It might not make that much difference to others, but if an operator sees some sort of certificate hanging on the wall indicating that he/she has reached a certain plateau, it just might spur him/her on to be a better operator !
Yeah, right. If anything it'll spur him on to be a lazy operator. "I've got the 40wpm on my wall, now respect mah authoritah!"
Quote[/b] (kc4ylv @ Dec. 22 2006,18:31)]Quote[/b] ]In my mind, it seems that there is a crying need for some group ( like S.P.A.R. for example ) to set up a proficiency award for people who can prove they can copy 10,15,20 and higher CW rates. It might not make that much difference to others, but if an operator sees some sort of certificate hanging on the wall indicating that he/she has reached a certain plateau, it just might spur him/her on to be a better operator !
Yeah, right. If anything it'll spur him on to be a lazy operator. "I've got the 40wpm on my wall, now respect mah authoritah!"
So I take it when you finally do get on HF, that you won't be interested in DXCC, WAS or other awards either.
kd4mxe
12-26-2006, 04:19 AM
Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Dec. 21 2006,10:27)]They aren't going to broadcast any more code practice because no one uses code anymore.
( well thats funny I have read where some say the Bands are full of it , now give everybody the true facts here if its gone and nobody is useing it then the fcc done a good job of getting it out of the way , Bill kd4mxe http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] (kd4mxe @ Dec. 25 2006,23:19)]Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Dec. 21 2006,10:27)]They aren't going to broadcast any more code practice because no one uses code anymore.
( well thats funny I have read where some say the Bands are full of it , now give everybody the true facts here if its gone and nobody is useing it then the fcc done a good job of getting it out of the way , Bill kd4mxe http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Please, get over yourself. I was only being sarcastic.
The bands are full of CW operation in the CW only sub-bands for several reasons, two of the big ones being that the band is "open" longer with CW and some of the rare DX only rears its head on CW.
CW will not be gone from the bands in the near future. Since it is a digital mode it beats the pants off of antiquated analog modes such as SSB and AM phone which is why quite a lot of people use it.
They said they will stop the CW broadcasts, and replace them with broadcasts in Braille. If you have a tube rig, you can flip it over and run your fingers around the tube sockets and read the bulletins.
PE1RDW
12-28-2006, 09:35 AM
My experiance (from observation) is that the tops of the tubes work far better.
WA2ZDY
12-28-2006, 01:32 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 28 2006,03:06)]They said they will stop the CW broadcasts, and replace them with broadcasts in Braille. If you have a tube rig, you can flip it over and run your fingers around the tube sockets and read the bulletins.
Charlie, you're getting as good as Ed!
PE1RDW says:
Quote[/b] ]Anyone can put up practice and bullitain transmitions. if you think you can do it then go ahead and do it.
Even if it is just once a month any activety in any mode is welcome. (civiliced and lawfull offcourse)
Yes, just be sure you aren't using the Bible as your text!
Actually I was thinking along these lines when Jim mentioned SPAR doing a proficiency award thing. If ARRL ever does stop sending practice, there's no reason one group or another (SPAR comes to mind) couldn't take over. To a lesser degree of course, but a text file could be circulated to specific hams who could run a session each via computer. If I had antennas it wouldn't be a skin off my behind to let my PC send a 30 minute text file while I watch the Flyers lose another game.
Just a thought on the subject.
N0CID
12-28-2006, 07:44 PM
Howdy Folks
Broadcasting?
W1AW does not broadcsat.
In cursive terms, these sessions are trasmissions intended for the amateur radio community. Amatuer radio operators have an intended audiance there; per the rules and regulations. This is very abrigde; but I think all will understand.
As for the League, I am not very pleased with the League as of this writing.
Regards to all
N0CID
12-28-2006, 07:58 PM
Quote[/b] (KB8ANN @ Dec. 21 2006,22:13)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Dec. 21 2006,13:42)]Quote[/b] ] And, if so, why, since it seems that CW is no longer needed; talk about "Cloud Warming"...... #
It may not be needed to get a license but that doesn't mean nobody uses it.
You're not advocating the banishment of the mode and "refarming" of the sub bands are you?
Nope, not at all, I'm one of those "Know-Code" guys and I am not advocating the abandonment of W1AW and code practice broadcast, just the opposite.
While listening to code practice, the thought struck me that long term, the future of CW was the same as some obscure native Indian dialects; extinction because of lack of instruction and use.
Sure, CW will always be around as a mode but, it will truly become a digital mode; sent from keyboards and decoded with the help of microchips.
It's just logical, if code isn't a requirement, why broadcast practice for it; "Qualifying Runs" for what? #Somewhere in the future there will be a challenge made to end support of code completely, will there be enough OF's around to face this battle?
.
KB8ANN,
I am confused, you write that "No Code Hams are Lazy" on all of your enries using written Morse resprentations. Bur you state you are a NCE(?). #I am baffled. #If this were to be the case, then if might follow, in regard to the employment of the work "broadcast" in your opening post on this thread.
Please straighten me out, if I am not correct or there is a misunderstanding.
Thank you...
w8cbc
12-28-2006, 08:42 PM
I was actually following the 18WPM bulletin last night - just listening, not trying to "copy". That was a pleasant surprise. I'll try the next qualifying run and see how well I do. I already have the 10 WPM certificate so here's hoping for some stickers.
KC0OFZ
01-01-2007, 12:11 AM
Quote[/b] (NV5E @ Dec. 21 2006,22:42)]In response to an email I sent W1AW, Joe Carcia, NJ1Q, answered:
Quote[/b] ]
Hi Rob,
At this point in time, we see no reason to discontinue sending Morse
code practice and bulletins or Qualifying Runs.
Although the FCC has dropped the Morse code requirement for the license,
it doesn't mean there's no longer support for Morse code! #Thankfully,
amateurs are still able to use it (and practice it, too.)
Thank you for writing!
73 es Happy Holidays!
Joseph Carcia, NJ1Q
W1AW Station Manager
W1AW ListServer Admin.
DXAC(I) & CAC(I) Lists Admin.
DX-CHECK (I) & VUAC (I) Lists Admin.
ARRL Museum
email: nj1q@arrl.org
Phone: (860) 594-0208
Fax: # (860) 594-0299
http://www.arrl.org/w1aw.html
Rob,
NV5E
"at this point", but just watch, the league will sellout and will change their feelings very soon. The league has no interest in CW nor interest in supporting those who do the mode. They have sold out this far and will not stop anytime soon.
This letter is nothing but a lie, plain and simple