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KA4DPO
12-21-2006, 03:25 AM
Been listening on the lower end of 40 and 75 since the new rules went into effect. I expected to hear a lot of activity but the downword migration is slow. I wonder if it's just habit?
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Dec. 20 2006,22:25)]Been listening on the lower end of 40 and 75 since the new rules went into effect. I expected to hear a lot of activity but the downword migration is slow. I wonder if it's just habit?
What makes you think any of these people will "give up" the frequency they've been on since Moses was in diapers? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I wouldn't be surprised to find that the VFOs on their rigs won't turn. They haven't moved them in decades so they're probably rusted in place.
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W0UZR
12-21-2006, 04:33 AM
I was expecting some nets to claim frequencies down there already.
I suppose that people and nets have been on certain frequencies for so long now, that they will go down below 225 to find more room when they can't find a clear frequency and that's about the only thing those frequencies will be used for.
Let them stay where they are. People have been griping for years that there is no place on the 75 meter band to "call CQ" and get a call back or worse yet, NOT have someone complaining that "you're on MY frequency!". Now, at least for a while, maybe there WILL BE a usable place ! ! !
73, Jim ( still sticking to my digital modes )
ka3tqg
12-21-2006, 01:42 PM
Better start useing that 150 Khz before someone takes up residence and claims it as "theirs"...lol..:D
Remember, CW is allowed on all parts of all HF bands. OTOH, Phone is only allowed on the Phone portions. Technically, there is nothing wrong with them operating there and the 'first check if frequency is occupied' rule takes precedence. So, if operating Phone, check first to see if the frequency is being used. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
A few nights ago I heard a groups of ops carping about the recent '...occupation...' of their favorite 75M General-segment phone frequency by (you guessed it) Generals. Subsequently, these chaps were down around 3740 staking out new territory. Where those 'Generals' could not go, of course.
Reminded me of a bunch of tomcats.
K0RGR
12-21-2006, 03:32 PM
Last night, 80 was pretty incredible.
I heard at least two different CW traffic nets operating below 3.600, and it sounded like they had quite a few check-ins.
There was also a lot of just plain old ragchewing and a little DXing going on down there. I didn't hear much digital stuff last night, but the night before it was very busy for PSK31.
The amazing thing to me was what was above 3.600 - there was a QSO every few Khz. all the way up to 4.000. I started out hearing a group on 3603, and a few hours later, the band was packed. I didn't observe any real QRM, but the band was packed.
Now, I live too close to the auroral zone, and I have a low dipole and a high noise level, but I could hear all of this. I wonder what somebody with better circumstances could hear?
I wonder if the neighbors will complain if I put up two 75 footers on my 1/4 acre lot?
n0nwo
12-21-2006, 03:44 PM
last night I heard lots of traffic from 3.600 and up on phone. I even heard one net last night in the new phone band. I did also hear several cw nets and ragchew QSO above 3.600 shareing the band with phone ops and no one seemed to mind. I hope this trend continues. Lots of activity on cw and digital below 3.600 as well, long into the night.
Sooo... from what I can hear, the original post on this thread could not be more false.
Minton
K9STH
12-21-2006, 04:19 PM
NH:
You forgot about the 60 meter band where CW is NOT allowed!
Glen, K9STH
KC0UUP
12-21-2006, 04:33 PM
Quote[/b] ]Let them stay where they are. People have been griping for years that there is no place on the 75 meter band to "call CQ" and get a call back or worse yet, NOT have someone complaining that "you're on MY frequency!". Now, at least for a while, maybe there WILL BE a usable place ! ! !
Quote[/b] ]Better start useing that 150 Khz before someone takes up residence and claims it as "theirs"...lol..:D
Is this really a problem? I have only listened on HF a few times (due to a crappy antenna) but I have not heard anyone claiming a frequency as theirs. I mean, do they really crash in on anyone that tried to use that frequency even if it seemed free at the time?
Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 21 2006,12:19)]NH:
You forgot about the 60 meter band where CW is NOT allowed!
Glen, K9STH
Awww, Glen, we all know that 60 meters is NOT a conventional ham band, and doesn't "play by the rules" in any stretch of the imagination !
73, Jim
Quote[/b] (KC0UUP @ Dec. 21 2006,12:33)]Quote[/b] ]Let them stay where they are. People have been griping for years that there is no place on the 75 meter band to "call CQ" and get a call back or worse yet, NOT have someone complaining that "you're on MY frequency!". Now, at least for a while, maybe there WILL BE a usable place ! ! !
Quote[/b] ]Better start useing that 150 Khz before someone takes up residence and claims it as "theirs"...lol..:D
Is this really a problem? I have only listened on HF a few times (due to a crappy antenna) but I have not heard anyone claiming a frequency as theirs. I mean, do they really crash in on anyone that tried to use that frequency even if it seemed free at the time?
"I have only listened on HF a few times (due to a crappy antenna)"
Well, I would say that that is your problem! If you listen some more, you are bound to hear that situation come up. Even as I type this, I am listening to several SSTVers trying to transmit on the same frequency at the same time. There are some operators that will sit on one frequency for hours at a time, and if they are there, you might as well turn off the rig and get out the cards, as try to join in on the session! This example comes from a different band, and different operators, but "stepping on others toes" seems to be gaining in popularity everywhere, and is a very bad sign for the future of the avocation !
73, Jim
KC0UUP
12-21-2006, 05:01 PM
Quote[/b] ]Well, I would say that that is your problem! If you listen some more, you are bound to hear that situation come up. Even as I type this, I am listening to several SSTVers trying to transmit on the same frequency at the same time. There are some operators that will sit on one frequency for hours at a time, and if they are there, you might as well turn off the rig and get out the cards, as try to join in on the session! This example comes from a different band, and different operators, but "stepping on others toes" seems to be gaining in popularity everywhere, and is a very bad sign for the future of the avocation !
Ok, I think that I understand a little better. At first I thought that you were saying that even if they were not activly using that frequency that they still would not allow anyone else to use it.
As far as the antenna goes, I really want to build my own but for some reason I am really bad at it. I think that I am going to pay up for a cheaper prebuilt antenna and keep trying to build a good one myself.
Quote[/b] (KC0UUP @ Dec. 21 2006,11:33)]Quote[/b] ]Let them stay where they are. #People have been griping for years that there is no place on the 75 meter band to "call CQ" and get a call back or worse yet, NOT have someone complaining that "you're on MY frequency!". #Now, at least for a while, maybe there WILL BE a usable place ! ! !
Quote[/b] ]Better start useing that 150 Khz before someone takes up residence and claims it as "theirs"...lol..:D
Is this really a problem? #I have only listened on HF a few times (due to a crappy antenna) but I have not heard anyone claiming a frequency as theirs.
Then you truly have a crappy antenna. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Quote[/b] ] I mean, do they really crash in on anyone that tried to use that frequency even if it seemed free at the time?
There have been many instances in the past where a person will listen to a dead frequency for over 30 minutes, ask if the frequency is in use, only to be told that it is in use. This same person will listen again for 30 minutes (not hearing anything), ask if the frequency is in use, and be told that it is. These are "frequency squatters" who attempt to hold a frequency for a net, or their own little clique, even if the group isn't going to meet until 3 hours later.
Then we have the instances where there is an on-going QSO that gets interrupted by some jackass NCS that announces that the frequency *MUST* be cleared for the upcoming net. They don't ask, they tell, and they'll give you no end of grief if you don't obey.
As Riley has pointed out, all amateur frequencies are shared. If the frequency you and Billy-Bob have been using for the past 30 years is occupied, you don't have any "right" to barge in and try to bully someone off the frequency. You can *ask* to have the frequency, but they are under no obligation to do so.
kl7aj
12-21-2006, 05:25 PM
Quote[/b] (n3jja @ Dec. 20 2006,21:16)]Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Dec. 20 2006,22:25)]Been listening on the lower end of 40 and 75 since the new rules went into effect. #I expected to hear a lot of activity but the downword migration is slow. #I wonder if it's just habit?
What makes you think any of these people will "give up" the frequency they've been on since Moses was in diapers? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I wouldn't be surprised to find that the VFOs on their rigs won't turn. They haven't moved them in decades so they're probably rusted in place.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Refer to my thread a few months ago about "ether ruts". The problem is deeper than corrosion in the vfo gear train. These nets have existed so long that there are actually grooves worn in the ether itself! If they moved off frequency it would take a while for the wavelength to get "polished" enough to work properly. This is a proven scientific phenomenon.
Eric
w8znx
12-21-2006, 06:00 PM
Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ Dec. 21 2006,09:40)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 21 2006,12:19)]NH:
You forgot about the 60 meter band where CW is NOT allowed!
Glen, K9STH
Awww, Glen, we all know that 60 meters is NOT a conventional ham band, and doesn't "play by the rules" in any stretch of the imagination !
73, Jim
60 meters is not a real ham band
it's some kind of strange aberration
Mac
KA4DPO
12-21-2006, 07:26 PM
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ Dec. 21 2006,10:25)]Quote[/b] (n3jja @ Dec. 20 2006,21:16)]Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Dec. 20 2006,22:25)]Been listening on the lower end of 40 and 75 since the new rules went into effect. #I expected to hear a lot of activity but the downword migration is slow. #I wonder if it's just habit?
What makes you think any of these people will "give up" the frequency they've been on since Moses was in diapers? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
I wouldn't be surprised to find that the VFOs on their rigs won't turn. They haven't moved them in decades so they're probably rusted in place.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Refer to my thread a few months ago about "ether ruts". #The problem is deeper than corrosion in the vfo gear train. #These nets have existed so long that there are actually grooves worn in the ether itself! #If they moved off frequency it would take a while for the wavelength to get "polished" enough to work properly. #This is a proven scientific phenomenon.
Eric
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