List Of Hams Who Swore They'd Sell Out

[W2BBQ]

Let's not let this little part of the package slip by http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif How about all those pro-code mongers who swore they'd tear up their tickets and sell out if the code was dropped? You know who you are and we know who you are and they know who you are. Even it knows who you are.

So line up chucks, jot down yer name and be sure to mark all your QRZ For Sale Forum items with: "Code Dropping Sellout Sale, I'm stackin' 'em deep and sellin' 'em cheap 'cause I'm hog-tied ticked off"








I'm needing another HF+++ rig in a few weeks anyway http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[k6az]

How long are you (and others) going to rub it in on this and other boards?

I stayed out of the debate, and honestly I didn't care if phone was opened up to no code. However, this continued gloating and rubbing it in is going to backfire if you and the others keep it up.

[W2BBQ]

Well you didn't say a damn word the whole time (years) the pro-coders were wailing on the techies....but now, after 2 days, you're all fed up with a little bit of happy gloating by the winning team? Well that's entirely sane and reasonable.

Well you're a spoiled sport and should be sent off to bed tonight without any dessert.

The gloating and rubbing will backfire? Dude, you've been hanging out with the pit chicks too long. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K0HWY]

Although I am a proud pro-coder, I never said anything about selling out but I'm really glad you're interested in buying my stuff. For the price you're going to pay, I should be able to do some really cool upgrading. Thanks for the offer!

[k6az]

I've said plenty about treating newbies with disrespect, I suggest using the search engine on this board.

Keep the animosity going, be my guest.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (w2bbq @ Dec. 17 2006,17:08)]Well you didn't say a damn word the whole time (years) the pro-coders were wailing on the techies....but now, after 2 days, you're all fed up with a little bit of happy gloating by the winning team? Well that's entirely sane and reasonable.

Well you're a spoiled sport and should be sent off to bed tonight without any dessert.

The gloating and rubbing will backfire? Dude, you've been hanging out with the pit chicks too long. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
LMAO! "hanging out with the pit chicks", that's too much!

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]Although I am a proud pro-coder, I never said anything about selling out but I'm really glad you're interested in buying my stuff. For the price you're going to pay, I should be able to do some really cool upgrading. Thanks for the offer!
Ditto.
What's an Orion II / Titan III package going for these days?
Pretty expensive K2/100.

[K6UEY]

W2BBQ,
I guess you must have been taking a break when they gave out the word,they all gave their gear to the Salvation Army to be sold as scrap electronics, they made some remark to the effect that no lazy NCT was going to get their gear,so they gave it away.
Next time stick around and pay attention !!

[KC0OFZ]

Quote[/b] (w2bbq @ Dec. 18 2006,15:48)]Let's not let this little part of the package slip by http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #How about all those pro-code mongers who swore they'd tear up their tickets and sell out if the code was dropped? You know who you are and we know who you are and they know who you are. Even it knows who you are.

So line up chucks, jot down yer name and be sure to mark all your QRZ For Sale Forum items with: "Code Dropping Sellout Sale, I'm stackin' 'em deep and sellin' 'em cheap 'cause I'm hog-tied ticked off"








I'm needing another HF+++ rig in a few weeks anyway http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Need another freebie handout?

[ai4ep]

Why such negativity in response to such a great event ( removal of morse code requirement ) ?

If folks wish to sell their equipment, isnt that their own business ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[w4hwd]

This site has become nothing but whining, pissing contests and queries such as "can I load my 2M vertical on 160?" type stupidity. No wonder most of those with brains abandoned this place long ago and the few that remain are leaving on a daily basis.

No worries about HF going to pot due to the recent deletion of the CW requirement...you NCT's and those of you who argue with them won't be on HF; you'll continue to spend all your free time on this board wasting bandwidth.

[ai4ep]

hwd --- and here you are, posting right in the middle of it all. You did good. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[wd0ct]

Yep, I told several on the big log jam on the home page to put a price on their stuff. Guess what, they just want to whine not sell.

typical comment: " I will let this 950 sit and ROT."

Put a price on it or keep bitching about offers to buy your junk.

***My email is good on this site. Quote your price.***

BTW gloating by the winning team is just what a bunch of you OFs deserve!

[ai4ep]

0ct --- you might try selling them some CHEESE to go with their whine.

...make all the $$ you can !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w4hwd]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Dec. 18 2006,19:16)]hwd --- and here you are, posting right in the middle of it all. #You did good. # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Well, just so you know, that was the first post I've thrown into this stupid debate and this one here will be the last...go ahead and continue to do whatever it is you do around here, you know, dispensing your wisdom and all.

[ab8ro]

I've noticed that some of the "losers" in this debate think that they have to eat their entire slice of crow pie without condiments. This is not true. You may have up to two packets of ketchup per serving. So, cmon, step up and get it before it gets cold.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[n0cki]

Well my 2 cents worth. Who cares one way or the other, if you want to use it go ahead and if not don't. I have not used it in 20 years. I will leave the hobby when I get bored with it and not untill then.

Robert

[N2RJ]

I have an Icom 7000 I'm selling for $11,500. Stock.

Any buyers?

[k8pg]

NO CODERS STILL WHINING-YOU MAY THINK YOU WON,BUT I THINK YOU ALL LOST A GREAT DEAL.

Paul -K8PG CW STILL LIVES AND ALWAYS WILL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ;)
CU NOT ON 7.022 AT 30 TO 70 WPM-GOOD DAY!

[k8pg]

I HAVE A BAG OF DEER DUNG TO SELL YOU:p

[K0HWY]

Quote[/b] (k8pg @ Dec. 19 2006,00:31)]NO CODERS STILL WHINING-YOU MAY THINK YOU WON,BUT I THINK YOU ALL LOST A GREAT DEAL.

# # # #Paul -K8PG CW STILL LIVES AND ALWAYS WILL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ;)
# # # # # #CU NOT ON 7.022 AT 30 TO 70 WPM-GOOD DAY!
The no coders aren't the only ones you'll be avoiding if you don't QRS OM ... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[w4clm]

Quote[/b] (k8pg @ Dec. 18 2006,22:31)]NO CODERS STILL WHINING-YOU MAY THINK YOU WON,BUT I THINK YOU ALL LOST A GREAT DEAL.

# # # #Paul -K8PG CW STILL LIVES AND ALWAYS WILL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ;)
# # # # # #CU NOT ON 7.022 AT 30 TO 70 WPM-GOOD DAY!
Well said Paul. Along with any respect the license may have held and their dignity.

[w7lpn]

That sounded a little like, "Neener, Neener, Neener" from grade school days. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[ac3p]

Quote[/b] ]NO CODERS STILL WHINING-YOU MAY THINK YOU WON,BUT I THINK YOU ALL LOST A GREAT DEAL.

Paul -K8PG CW STILL LIVES AND ALWAYS WILL ;)
CU NOT ON 7.022 AT 30 TO 70 WPM-GOOD DAY!

Paul, would you consider QRS to 20 wpm for us slow guys? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[n2nh]

I'm sure glad I bought all those HF radios cheep. Now that demand will be high, I'll wait until the market crests and make a bundle. Then just sit back and know that my efforts have aided in so many new Hams to get on the air. And fatten the pigskin wallet. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (k8pg @ Dec. 18 2006,21:31)]CU NOT ON 7.022 AT 30 TO 70 WPM-GOOD DAY!
I wish you would stop taunting these people. I do not want them on CW, but I am sure that with all of the CW comments that they will have the computer and the rigblaster pro all set for CW as soon as the FCC lets them try to ruin HF DX.

I can only operate comfortably at about 18 words per minute, and I do not relish having NCE's clogging the bands and trying to make the rare DX QSOs with their computers set for 70wpm.

[KI4NGN]

Uh, by the way, NCTs are not going to HF phone. They still have to pass element 3 (and then they won't be NCTs) for that privilege. Or did I miss another change?

[K0HWY]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 19 2006,08:56)]I can only operate comfortably at about 18 words per minute,
OK, we're getting closer now. QRS a little more and I might be able to hang with you. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[nz3m]

Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Dec. 18 2006,08:10)]Uh, by the way, NCTs are not going to HF phone. They still have to pass element 3 (and then they won't be NCTs) for that privilege. Or did I miss another change?
NCG's, NCE's ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[K0RGR]

I suggest we just call them "Amateurs".

As for the no-coders rubbing it in - yeah, guys, it's starting to get a little thick around here. Can't you be more civilized than they were to you?

I was a 'mugwump' on this argument. That's a bird with it's mug on one side of the fence, and its wump on the other.
I wish they'd have kept it for Extra but I am otherwise pretty much excited about the change.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Dec. 18 2006,12:13)]I suggest we just call them "Amateurs".

As for the no-coders rubbing it in - yeah, guys, it's starting to get a little thick around here. Can't you be more civilized than they were to you?
We are being more civilized that they were.

[n4sva]

I've been hearing about some VE's that will quit doing testing because of this issue.

[ac4ut]

As I have stated before I never took sides on the issue but I do have one warning for no coders.
If you here some strange tone on the lower parts of the band it is code using amateurs and they are talking about you.
I would tell you what they are saying, but ....nah, you'll figure it out. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[wa8rti]

Quote[/b] (w2bbq @ Dec. 18 2006,18:08)]you're all fed up with a little bit of happy gloating by the winning team? .
The winning team-I don't think so-amateur radio is the poorer for the lowing of standards-no code for even an #extra license and tests that only test how well you can memorize answers and not one bit of testing of any real technical knowledge.

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (wa8rti @ Dec. 19 2006,11:33)]Quote[/b] (w2bbq @ Dec. 18 2006,18:08)]you're all fed up with a little bit of happy gloating by the winning team? .
The winning team-I don't think so-amateur radio is the poorer for the lowing of standards-no code for even an extra license and tests that only test how well you can memorize answers and not one bit of testing of any real technical knowledge.
What technical knowledge did the code test show?

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (n4sva @ Dec. 18 2006,12:18)]I've been hearing about some VE's that will quit doing testing because of this issue.
Say goodbye to them for me.

[KI4NGN]

Quote[/b] (wa8rti @ Dec. 19 2006,11:33)]Quote[/b] (w2bbq @ Dec. 18 2006,18:08)]you're all fed up with a little bit of happy gloating by the winning team? .
The winning team-I don't think so-amateur radio is the poorer for the lowing of standards-no code for even an #extra license and tests that only test how well you can memorize answers and not one bit of testing of any real technical knowledge.
Quote[/b] ]14. Based on our review of the record in the proceeding and on consideration of the various
comments on this issue, we believe that because the international requirement for telegraphy proficiency
has been eliminated, we should treat Morse code telegraphy as we do other communications techniques.
In this connection, we note that our Rules do not require individuals to pass a practical examination to
demonstrate some degree of proficiency in non-telegraphy communications techniques. Rather,
individuals demonstrate knowledge of other communication techniques and technical qualifications by
passing written examinations composed of questions that prove that the examinee possesses the
operational and technical qualifications required for the privileges authorized by the operator license.41
We believe, therefore, that written examinations are sufficient to determine whether a person is qualified
to be issued an amateur radio operator license. Accordingly, we conclude that the public interest will best
be served by eliminating the telegraphy examination requirement as a separate examination requirement
in the amateur service. To achieve this result, we will amend Section 97.501 of our Rules to eliminate the
requirement that an individual demonstrate five wpm proficiency in telegraphy in order to qualify for a
General or Amateur Extra Class operator license.

As I've said a dozen times, they eliminated a skill test for one mode of operating. Note the explicit statement regarding treating telegraphy as they do all other non-telegraphy techniques.

I would love for anyone to explain to me how this makes amateur radio poorer.

Mike

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif I just wish that those folks that do NOT like what the FCC did last Friday would quit beating around the buch ( no presidential pun intended ) and let all the rest of us know just how they really DO feel ( without the cursing ).............................or maybe THAT is what I have already been hearing ?? !!

I see in print more negative remarks than I hear " on-the-air" .

I sit and listen to 75 meters & 20 meters, and 99% of the words that I have heard have been great and nice ( of course a few belches thrown every now & then )...so it leads me to think that folks would prefer to be NEGATIVE here on the internet, than anomymously "on-the-air"...which in itself is sort of strange, for the following reasons...which really do not make any sense----------

* folks who say they hate such an idea here on the computer always have their call sign identifying who is saying what.

* folks who say they hate such an idea "on-the-air" CAN have a certain degree of being anonymous...unless some one recognises their voice...or they give a fake call sign ( maybe yours ? ) for ID .

So , in conclusion ( he finally got to the good part ), most of the folks who do not like what the FCC did last Friday usually are griping and complaining about SOMETHING any way, so...what else is new ?

* simple & to the point *

------------
73 to all...even YOU. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[N8EPE]

[QUOTE]I HAVE A BAG OF DEER DUNG TO SELL YOU:p

I knew it! Only a Yooper would have a bag of deer dung handy. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

(I've been known to frequent the Munising area from time to time, Paul)

couldn't resist

Doug - N8EPE

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Dec. 18 2006,12:42)]Quote[/b] (wa8rti @ Dec. 19 2006,11:33)]Quote[/b] (w2bbq @ Dec. 18 2006,18:08)]you're all fed up with a little bit of happy gloating by the winning team? .
The winning team-I don't think so-amateur radio is the poorer for the lowing of standards-no code for even an #extra license and tests that only test how well you can memorize answers and not one bit of testing of any real technical knowledge.
Quote[/b] ]14. Based on our review of the record in the proceeding and on consideration of the various
comments on this issue, we believe that because the international requirement for telegraphy proficiency
has been eliminated, we should treat Morse code telegraphy as we do other communications techniques.
In this connection, we note that our Rules do not require individuals to pass a practical examination to
demonstrate some degree of proficiency in non-telegraphy communications techniques. Rather,
individuals demonstrate knowledge of other communication techniques and technical qualifications by
passing written examinations composed of questions that prove that the examinee possesses the
operational and technical qualifications required for the privileges authorized by the operator license.41
We believe, therefore, that written examinations are sufficient to determine whether a person is qualified
to be issued an amateur radio operator license. Accordingly, we conclude that the public interest will best
be served by eliminating the telegraphy examination requirement as a separate examination requirement
in the amateur service. To achieve this result, we will amend Section 97.501 of our Rules to eliminate the
requirement that an individual demonstrate five wpm proficiency in telegraphy in order to qualify for a
General or Amateur Extra Class operator license.

As I've said a dozen times, they eliminated a skill test for one mode of operating. Note the explicit statement regarding treating telegraphy as they do all other non-telegraphy techniques.

I would love for anyone to explain to me how this makes amateur radio poorer.

Mike
They're just being sore losers Mike. Most of them were in denial about what the course of events would be. It was predictiable and reasonable to anyone who observed things unfold with an open eye. Now that they've lost they'll try any sort of manipulation of the facts to convince others that they didn't, in fact, lose.

The FCC points out, and it's pretty easy to see, that there have always been bad operators in amateur radio. In the past they all had to pass a code exam, so the code test did not filter them out.

[KI4NGN]

I don't know. You're probably right that some are just poor losers, but I think many genuinely believe that this is going to somehow be detrimental to ham radio.

The FCC apparently agrees that it was just a skill test, that it did not work as a filter and/or motivator, which are just the arguments that you and I have been saying for a while.

As with all else, time will tell.

I'm looking forward to those new generals and extras showing up on HF... a tranfusion of new blood. Yes, some of the blood may be tainted, but that was always the case with or without the test because it was not a blood test! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Mike

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]The FCC points out, and it's pretty easy to see, that there have always been bad operators in amateur radio. In the past they all had to pass a code exam, so the code test did not filter them out.
No but it's a pretty good motivation filter.
Do you think all those bad operators started their HF careers as bad operators? Of course they didn't but one thing they did do was prove they were motivated enough to pass the CW test. They wanted HF bad enough to put in the work neccesary to pass a test element for a mode they never intended to use.

As opposed to...........................

BTW, how much of that bad behavior you hear on the bands happens on the CW portions? Oh..... that's right.....you can't tell me.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Dec. 18 2006,13:31)]Quote[/b] ]The FCC points out, and it's pretty easy to see, that there have always been bad operators in amateur radio. In the past they all had to pass a code exam, so the code test did not filter them out.
No but it's a pretty good motivation filter.
Do you think all those bad operators started their HF careers as bad operators? Of course they didn't but one thing they did do was prove they were motivated enough to pass the CW test. They wanted HF bad enough to put in the work neccesary to pass a test element for a mode they never intended to use.

As opposed to...........................

BTW, how much of that bad behavior you hear on the bands happens on the CW portions? Oh..... that's right.....you can't tell me.
Uh, I have no problem using the CW portions of the bands.

But all you've done is reword the same argument. The FCC points out for you that, no matter what you call it, the morse test has not acted as a filter for bad operators.

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]But all you've done is reword the same argument. The FCC points out for you that, no matter what you call it, the morse test has not acted as a filter for bad operators.
That's what they said.
I said it was a darn effective filter for unmotivated slackers. I have no idea what caused the bad operators to go bad or when they went bad. They did prove they wanted HF privi's enough to earn them.

It OK, go ahead and gloat.
I'll be down in the CW portions of the bands.
The vast majority of the unmotivated slackers will be on SSB. You can deal with them.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Dec. 18 2006,13:49)]Quote[/b] ]But all you've done is reword the same argument. The FCC points out for you that, no matter what you call it, the morse test has not acted as a filter for bad operators.
That's what they said.
I said it was a darn effective filter for unmotivated slackers. I have no idea what caused the bad operators to go bad or when they went bad. They did prove they wanted HF privi's enough to earn them.
Right, you've expressed your opinion on that at least twice now. What we do know is that there have been operators cited by the FCC on HF for many years. Since they had to pass a morse test to operate there, then we can conclude that the morse exam has failed to prevent bad operators from entering the amateur ranks.

That's all that's important. The FCC doesn't care how motivated people are, only that they operate within the rules.

Quote[/b] ]
It OK, go ahead and gloat.


As I told walt, I don't need your permission.

[n0nwo]

In some ways, this will make it easier for some folks to learn code. #Now we can get on the phone bands with them, switch to cw and do a little practice, if they don't get something they can switch back to ssb and say what was that? we go back to ssb explain it, and switch back to cw and try again. If the guy is sending poorly, you switch to ssb and say hold it a minute, explain and demonstrate what they are doing wrong and try again.

We have done a little of this on 10 meter here #at night when the band is shut down with tech plusses that needed a little work, and it helps alot.

Minton

[KD5SHW]

Quote[/b] (w2bbq @ Dec. 18 2006,18:08)]Well you didn't say a damn word the whole time (years) the pro-coders were wailing on the techies....but now, after 2 days, you're all fed up with a little bit of happy gloating by the winning team? Well that's entirely sane and reasonable.

Well you're a spoiled sport and should be sent off to bed tonight without any dessert.

The gloating and rubbing will backfire? Dude, you've been hanging out with the pit chicks too long. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I think what he's trying to say is when you make posts like this you raise some people's blood pressure. If you keep it up they'll have a stroke. Didn't you hear about that mass suicide at the hamfest when this announcement was made of the PA?

I think people overestimate the in rush of people to amateur radio with the drop of the morse code requirement. I was in an IRC room when I saw the announcement. Paraphrasing:

kd5shw:Hey guys you should all get into amateur radio now that they don't require morse code.
everyone else:Why?
kd5shw:Talk around the world, experiment with radio,...
everyone else:We're already talking around the world right now. This is IRC. <_<
kd5shw:>_>

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]Since they had to pass a morse test to operate there, then we can conclude that the morse exam has failed to prevent bad operators from entering the amateur ranks.

That's all that's important. The FCC doesn't care how motivated people are, only that they operate within the rules.

IF that's true, what part of the CWless testing environment is going to guarantee they operate within the rules? The "so easy my cat can pass" theory tests?
The answer, NONE!
So, if nothing we do with the testing environment will keep all of the riff raff out why eliminate the one thing that kept most of the unmotivated riff raff out?

Simple, the FCC caved in to the incessant crying of the unmotivated riff raff.

Wait, here it comes, I love this one.

It's just a hobby!

[n0nwo]

Quote[/b] ]So, if nothing we do with the testing environment will keep all of the riff raff ...

There never was anything in the testing to keep the riff raff out After all, I got in and I passed the 20wpm http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Minton

[KD5SHW]

I think people forget that morse code was required because of international treaty. No other reason. Nope it wasn't included because of some over sentimental notion that it would be a special language that all amateur radio operators would have in common. Nope it wasn't included to keep the "riff raff" out. International agreements only. The international agreement no longer applies so the requirement has been dropped.

Any addition to that is just BS. The code requirement or its drop had nothing to do with half the things people say it did.

[AC0H]

Quote[/b] ]The international agreement no longer applies so the requirement has been dropped.

It was optional and I'll bet some country's don't drop it.

[KD5SHW]

Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Dec. 19 2006,15:43)]Quote[/b] ]The international agreement no longer applies so the requirement has been dropped.

It was optional and I'll bet some country's don't drop it.
Contemplating a move? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Now that would be weird. When some people lose an election in this country they always say "I'm moving to Canada." It would be weird if all the 20wpm decided to say "I'm moving to [insert country that hangs on to the requirement] ."

[KD6NIG]

Quote[/b] (KD5SHW @ Dec. 19 2006,13:48)]Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Dec. 19 2006,15:43)]Quote[/b] ]The international agreement no longer applies so the requirement has been dropped.

It was optional and I'll bet some country's don't drop it.
Contemplating a move? # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Now that would be weird. #When some people lose an election in this country they always say "I'm moving to Canada." #It would be weird if all the 20wpm decided to say "I'm moving to [insert country that hangs on to the requirement] ."
It would be even weirder if they actually did it. By moving they'd have to chastise from afar. They aren't going anywhere http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[k3jdp]

All this talk about the NCT's rushing out to buy HF gear has me befuddled. I know a lot of NCT's who bought HF radios a long time ago. I don't know why, because they said they didn't want to tackle the code. Well, I guess they can use their toys now.

[w8znx]

Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Dec. 19 2006,11:42)]I would love for anyone to explain to me how this makes amateur radio poorer.

Mike
you and most no code people
will never understand

its all about
Tradition

till few years ago
every ham op that ever was
since the first Amateur
lashed up a receiver and transmitter

had one thing in common with
every other ham in the world

it was the universal ham language

many new ops
will not share in this common bond
it's their loss

think of it like when

Catholic Church ended the Latin Mass

sure it's easier to follow the Mass in English
but something grand and wonderfull is gone

ham that does not know morse code
will be like a Catholic prest
that does not know how to say the
Latin Mass

no code people won a hand full of dust

Mac

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (w8znx @ Dec. 18 2006,15:15)]think of it like when

Catholic Church ended the Latin Mass
thank god! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Dec. 19 2006,16:20)]Quote[/b] (w8znx @ Dec. 18 2006,15:15)]think of it like when

Catholic Church ended the Latin Mass
thank god! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Unless you think they might bring back the code, maybe. They're bringing the Latin mass back. Some churches never stopped saying them.
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[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Dec. 19 2006,09:10)]Uh, by the way, NCTs are not going to HF phone. They still have to pass element 3 (and then they won't be NCTs) for that privilege. Or did I miss another change?
There is a small SSB Phone segment on 10M that NCT's will get. All of 200 kHz wide, 28.300 to 28.500 MHz. It's about 1/2 the size of the CB'ers band. I could be wrong, but IMHO I think it's going to be very, very busy there when this goes through. If there are any nets there, now would be a good time to look for greener (quieter) pastures. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Dec. 19 2006,17:11)]Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Dec. 19 2006,09:10)]Uh, by the way, NCTs are not going to HF phone. They still have to pass element 3 (and then they won't be NCTs) for that privilege. Or did I miss another change?
There is a small SSB Phone segment on 10M that NCT's will get. All of 200 kHz wide, 28.300 to 28.500 MHz. It's about 1/2 the size of the CB'ers band. I could be wrong, but IMHO I think it's going to be very, very busy there when this goes through. If there are any nets there, now would be a good time to look for greener (quieter) pastures. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Busy? There's still the issue of propagation.

Haven't been hearing much on 10 at all.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Dec. 18 2006,15:50)]Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Dec. 19 2006,16:20)]Quote[/b] (w8znx @ Dec. 18 2006,15:15)]think of it like when

Catholic Church ended the Latin Mass
thank god! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Unless you think they might bring back the code, maybe. #They're bringing the Latin mass back. #Some churches never stopped saying them.
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To tell you the truth, I couldn't care less. It just seemed like the right response.

[KC9ECI]

Quote[/b] (kg4iqb @ Dec. 19 2006,16:01)]All this talk about the NCT's rushing out to buy HF gear has me befuddled. I know a lot of NCT's who bought HF radios a long time ago. I don't know why, because they said they didn't want to tackle the code. Well, I guess they can use their toys now.
Once upon a time, I too was a NCT. I bought an Icom 703 at least a month before i took my code test. I was fun to just listen. I still spend far more time listening than transmitting.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Dec. 18 2006,16:26)]Quote[/b] (kg4iqb @ Dec. 19 2006,16:01)]All this talk about the NCT's rushing out to buy HF gear has me befuddled. I know a lot of NCT's who bought HF radios a long time ago. I don't know why, because they said they didn't want to tackle the code. Well, I guess they can use their toys now.
Once upon a time, I too was a NCT. #I bought an Icom 703 at least a month before i took my code test. #I was fun to just listen. #I still spend far more time listening than transmitting.
Not that it matters, but now that you mention it, I've never held a no-code amateur license.

[N0NCO]

Quote[/b] (n0nwo @ Dec. 19 2006,13:26)]In some ways, this will make it easier for some folks to learn code. Now we can get on the phone bands with them, switch to cw and do a little practice, if they don't get something they can switch back to ssb and say what was that? we go back to ssb explain it, and switch back to cw and try again. If the guy is sending poorly, you switch to ssb and say hold it a minute, explain and demonstrate what they are doing wrong and try again.

We have done a little of this on 10 meter here at night when the band is shut down with tech plusses that needed a little work, and it helps alot.

Minton
Minton,

What a great idea! Hopefully, many more groups will adopt this method of providing constructive reinforcement. Cheers!

73...

Joel - N0NCO

[KC9ECI]

Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Dec. 19 2006,17:29)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Dec. 18 2006,16:26)]Quote[/b] (kg4iqb @ Dec. 19 2006,16:01)]All this talk about the NCT's rushing out to buy HF gear has me befuddled. I know a lot of NCT's who bought HF radios a long time ago. I don't know why, because they said they didn't want to tackle the code. Well, I guess they can use their toys now.
Once upon a time, I too was a NCT. #I bought an Icom 703 at least a month before i took my code test. #I was fun to just listen. #I still spend far more time listening than transmitting.
Not that it matters, but now that you mention it, I've never held a no-code amateur license.
I'll be sure to stick a cookie in your Christmas card for that.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Dec. 18 2006,16:34)]Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Dec. 19 2006,17:29)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Dec. 18 2006,16:26)]Quote[/b] (kg4iqb @ Dec. 19 2006,16:01)]All this talk about the NCT's rushing out to buy HF gear has me befuddled. I know a lot of NCT's who bought HF radios a long time ago. I don't know why, because they said they didn't want to tackle the code. Well, I guess they can use their toys now.
Once upon a time, I too was a NCT. #I bought an Icom 703 at least a month before i took my code test. #I was fun to just listen. #I still spend far more time listening than transmitting.
Not that it matters, but now that you mention it, I've never held a no-code amateur license.
I'll be sure to stick a cookie in your Christmas card for that.
I like oatmeal raisin.

thanks

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[KC9ECI]

Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Dec. 19 2006,17:49)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Dec. 18 2006,16:34)]Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Dec. 19 2006,17:29)]Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Dec. 18 2006,16:26)]Quote[/b] (kg4iqb @ Dec. 19 2006,16:01)]All this talk about the NCT's rushing out to buy HF gear has me befuddled. I know a lot of NCT's who bought HF radios a long time ago. I don't know why, because they said they didn't want to tackle the code. Well, I guess they can use their toys now.
Once upon a time, I too was a NCT. #I bought an Icom 703 at least a month before i took my code test. #I was fun to just listen. #I still spend far more time listening than transmitting.
Not that it matters, but now that you mention it, I've never held a no-code amateur license.
I'll be sure to stick a cookie in your Christmas card for that.
I like oatmeal raisin.

thanks

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It's doable. The wife is going shopping tonight so the munchkin and I are making cookies. I hadn't decided what kind yet, but now that you mention it, I'm fairly certain we have all the fixings for oatmeal raisin.

[KC9JIQ]

Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Dec. 19 2006,15:23)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Dec. 19 2006,17:11)]Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Dec. 19 2006,09:10)]Uh, by the way, NCTs are not going to HF phone. They still have to pass element 3 (and then they won't be NCTs) for that privilege. Or did I miss another change?
There is a small SSB Phone segment on 10M that NCT's will get. All of 200 kHz wide, 28.300 to 28.500 MHz. It's about 1/2 the size of the CB'ers band. I could be wrong, but IMHO I think it's going to be very, very busy there when this goes through. If there are any nets there, now would be a good time to look for greener (quieter) pastures. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Busy? There's still the issue of propagation.

Haven't been hearing much on 10 at all.
How do you know the band is propagating if nobody is on?

This will be great, all the NCT's will "flock" to the CB band, uhh, 10 meters! (expect that Tech slot to be very crowded and qrm everywhere! band conditions pending ofcourse!)

Ten should work like 11meters(channel six) on propagation. Is there a power limit for NCT's on the NCT 10 meter section?

And I do agree, CW was somthing we all had in common, it is sad. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[KI4NGN]

Quote[/b] (w8znx @ Dec. 19 2006,14:15)]Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Dec. 19 2006,11:42)]I would love for anyone to explain to me how this makes amateur radio poorer.

Mike
you and most no code people
will never understand

its all about # # # #
Tradition

till few years ago
every ham op that ever was
since the first Amateur
lashed up a receiver and transmitter

had one thing in common with
every other ham in the world

it was the universal ham language

many new ops
will not share in this common bond
it's their loss

think of it like when

Catholic Church ended the Latin Mass

sure it's easier to follow the Mass in English
but something grand and wonderfull is gone

ham that does not know morse code
will be like a Catholic prest
that does not know how to say the
Latin Mass

no code people won a hand full of dust

Mac
Mac, I understand about tradition all too well; traditions in work, traditions in school, traditions in politics, tradition in neighborhoods, traditions in cities, etc, etc.

I also understand that much of the fight against removing the test was about just that, tradition.

Tradition is just one word for saying "that's the way we've always done it."

And often the resistance to discarding a tradition is just a resistance to change. "We don't want to stop doing this because that's they way we've always done it."

You don't seem to be able to accept that there are people like me who love ham radio and think that we're better off without that particular "tradition".

Change is inevitable and this one is a done deal. We've always had a skill test for only one of many modes of communication in order to operate on HF, and now we're not going to have it.

What all ham ops had in common to get a license was a code skill test and the written exams, but ham radio is more than just getting the license. That is only the first step. The hobby is about radio communications and experimentation, and that is the common ground of ham radio.

I'll bet there are many, many ops on HF now who if all of a sudden had to sit down and copy 5 wpm... would fail. Why? Because all they did was bring their skill up to whatever the requirement was at the time, get their license, and then never use that mode again.

You and others think the results of the change will be negative. Myself and others think the change will be positive.

Time will tell.

Mike

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Dec. 19 2006,17:23)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Dec. 19 2006,17:11)]Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Dec. 19 2006,09:10)]Uh, by the way, NCTs are not going to HF phone. They still have to pass element 3 (and then they won't be NCTs) for that privilege. Or did I miss another change?
There is a small SSB Phone segment on 10M that NCT's will get. All of 200 kHz wide, 28.300 to 28.500 MHz. It's about 1/2 the size of the CB'ers band. I could be wrong, but IMHO I think it's going to be very, very busy there when this goes through. If there are any nets there, now would be a good time to look for greener (quieter) pastures. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Busy? There's still the issue of propagation.

Haven't been hearing much on 10 at all.
You're right it is dead now. OTOH, most NCTs haven't really had to study HF propagation for their exams, unless they've taken that upon themselves. And there are a lot of Hams that use 10M for local nets and local communications (at least here) when the cycle tanks. Not too different from their bretheren just down the band.
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[wa8rti]

Quote[/b] (wd0ct @ Dec. 19 2006,13:37)]What technical knowledge did the code test show?
Nothing-do you understand that the comment regarded a two part test a) the ability to receive code and b) a test that measured some degree of technical knowledge not memorization skill. The FCC and the "I can't do that but I want a license" whiners continue the drive to turn amateur radio into a glorified CB service.

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Dec. 19 2006,18:09)]Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Dec. 19 2006,15:23)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Dec. 19 2006,17:11)]Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Dec. 19 2006,09:10)]Uh, by the way, NCTs are not going to HF phone. They still have to pass element 3 (and then they won't be NCTs) for that privilege. Or did I miss another change?
There is a small SSB Phone segment on 10M that NCT's will get. All of 200 kHz wide, 28.300 to 28.500 MHz. It's about 1/2 the size of the CB'ers band. I could be wrong, but IMHO I think it's going to be very, very busy there when this goes through. If there are any nets there, now would be a good time to look for greener (quieter) pastures. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Busy? There's still the issue of propagation.

Haven't been hearing much on 10 at all.
How do you know the band is propagating if nobody is on?

This will be great, all the NCT's will "flock" to the CB band, uhh, 10 meters! (expect that Tech slot to be very crowded and qrm everywhere! band conditions pending ofcourse!)

Ten should work like 11meters(channel six) on propagation. Is there a power limit for NCT's on the NCT 10 meter section?
Yes, maximum power for Technicians and Novices is 200 Watts on all their HF band allocations. Still, this is a lot more than the old JA power limit for their entry license years ago. As a SW listener, I can still remember the QRM that caused, but who knows. Maybe this will be different.

[K1OU]

Quote[/b] (K6UEY @ Dec. 18 2006,16:46)]W2BBQ,
I guess you must have been taking a break when they gave out the word,they all gave their gear to the Salvation Army to be sold as scrap electronics, they made some remark to the effect that no lazy NCT was going to get their gear,so they gave it away.
Next time stick around and pay attention !!
Orv, why do you hate America so much?

[K3UD]

As far as 10 meter propagation is concerned you can always listen for the beacons that are always there. If you don't hear any beacons the band is probably dead.

Also,
I wonder if we will see the resurrection of local nets on 10 meter SSB.

73
George
K3UD

[KI4NGN]

Quote[/b] (wa8rti @ Dec. 20 2006,05:08)]Quote[/b] (wd0ct @ Dec. 19 2006,13:37)]What technical knowledge did the code test show?
Nothing-do you understand that the comment regarded a two part test a) the ability to receive code and b) a test that measured some degree of technical knowledge not memorization skill. The FCC and the "I can't do that but I want a license" whiners continue the drive to turn amateur radio into a glorified CB service.
Knowledge is acquired two ways: memorization and experience.

How did you "learn" Ohm's law? You memorized it! Then you applied it...experience.

Many assume that because the question pools are published that everyone is just going to memorize the questions and answers. I believe that is a faulty assumption. Will some do that? Yes, I think so...but I think for most people it's probably easier to read some theory, grasp a concept, and memorize a formula than it would be to memorize 500 or 1000 questions and answers.

Are the tests too easy? That depends on your perspective. I'll be the first to admit that the element 4 exam that I took last month was not near as technically difficult as the general class exam that I took in 1968. However in 1968 there was not much more to focus on than the technical theory besides the rules and regs. There were no RFE concerns, digital logic, dozens of different types of solid-state device types, DSP, Smith charts, EZNEC, etc, etc. The technical aspects of our chosen hobby are magnitudes broader than they have ever been. That's a lot of ground to cover. There has to be some tradeoff between depth and breadth.

I personally wish that the question pool was not published, but at the same time I have recently come to understand why it must be. The exam process has been turned over to amateurs themselves, and volunteers at that. Who validates the exams? Invalid questions/answers have been found in the pool and addressed. Had the pools not been published, those questions would not have been discovered, or at least not as quickly, and those invalid questions could have been the difference between pass and fail for some candidates.

Some are looking for the best, and others expecting the worst, that may come of this. I'm excited about the best to come.

Glorified CB? Listened to some of the QSOs on 75 meters and other bands? They ALL took that test.

Mike

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Dec. 19 2006,18:09)]Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Dec. 19 2006,15:23)]
Busy? There's still the issue of propagation.

Haven't been hearing much on 10 at all.
How do you know the band is propagating if nobody is on?
Beacons.

[N5PVL]

K1OU asks:
Quote[/b] ]
Orv, why do you hate America so much?


It's the fashionable thing these days with democrats, socialists, islamo-fascists, college professors and the French.

Maybe he's one ( or more ) of those.

[ai4ep]

I aint seen a real increase in items on ebay that was amateur radio related items in past 2 days....nor here at this site.

Mebbe that is good news.

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Dec. 20 2006,06:58)]Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Dec. 19 2006,17:23)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Dec. 19 2006,17:11)]Quote[/b] (KI4NGN @ Dec. 19 2006,09:10)]Uh, by the way, NCTs are not going to HF phone. They still have to pass element 3 (and then they won't be NCTs) for that privilege. Or did I miss another change?
There is a small SSB Phone segment on 10M that NCT's will get. All of 200 kHz wide, 28.300 to 28.500 MHz. It's about 1/2 the size of the CB'ers band. I could be wrong, but IMHO I think it's going to be very, very busy there when this goes through. If there are any nets there, now would be a good time to look for greener (quieter) pastures. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Busy? There's still the issue of propagation.

Haven't been hearing much on 10 at all.
You're right it is dead now. OTOH, most NCTs haven't really had to study HF propagation for their exams, unless they've taken that upon themselves. And there are a lot of Hams that use 10M for local nets and local communications (at least here) when the cycle tanks. Not too different from their bretheren just down the band.
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Yeah, but to me without long range communications, there's no point in going on HF.

Repeaters and VHF/UHF already cover local comms. Sorry to say but I don't see the point in using 10m for local comms.

[W0LC]

And one wonders why this debate continues?

With some of the stupid comments and attacks, trolls and baiting that goes one, inane comments with no obvious rational thought process, I don't see this reconciling now, or on the air when the other shoe drops.
Don't be surprised if some of you find this cr*p on SSB and the bands become a sesspool from time to time and you wonder why.

With these mentalities behind the microphone, anything goes.

Glad my radio(s) have "OFF" switches...

Sure hope I am proven wrong, but I doubt it.
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[KC0UUP]

Quote[/b] ]All this talk about the NCT's rushing out to buy HF gear has me befuddled. I know a lot of NCT's who bought HF radios a long time ago. I don't know why, because they said they didn't want to tackle the code. Well, I guess they can use their toys now.

I bought one a few months ago because I wanted to get on 6m. #Instead of just getting a 6m radio I got an Icom 706 because I knew that eventually I was going to upgrade. #For me it was actually trying to save a bit of money. #I didnt have to buy a cheaper radio now for 6m and then buy another one for HF later.


Edited before the flames start:

No, I did not intend to wait until the code requirement was dropped, so please dont start with the bashing.

[ka5piu]

Hello.

The Novice class could always use HF, and 220, and 1.2GHz, and 2.4GHz.
The tech was limited to 50MHz and above.
So, why not NoviTech, it even sounds right.
Or, one could just take the general and be done with it.
Extra? extra what? extra light?
So, I see the new tech as being able to use converted or super CB radios, things that are really cheap and easy.