ARRL Bulletin on Morse Code Elimination

[AA7BQ]

QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 30 ARLB030
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT December 16, 2006
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB030
ARLB030 FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License Classes

In an historic move, the FCC has acted to drop the Morse code
requirement for all Amateur Radio license classes. The Commission
today adopted a Report and Order (R&O) in WT Docket 05-235. In a
break from typical practice, the FCC only issued a public notice at
or about the close of business and not the actual Report and Order,
so some details -- including the effective date of the R&O -- remain
uncertain. The public notice is located at,
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf.

Also today, the FCC also adopted an Order on Reconsideration, in WT
Docket 04-140 -- the "omnibus" proceeding -- agreeing to modify the
Amateur Radio rules in response to an ARRL request to accommodate
automatically controlled narrowband digital stations on 80 meters in
the wake of rule changes that became effective today at 12:01 AM
Eastern Time. The Commission said it will carve out the 3585 to 3600
kHz frequency segment for such operations. Prior to the long-awaited
action on the Morse code issue, Amateur Radio applicants for General
and higher class licenses had to pass a 5 WPM Morse code test to
operate on HF. The Commission said today's R&O eliminates that
requirement for General and Amateur Extra applicants.

"This change eliminates an unnecessary regulatory burden that may
discourage current Amateur Radio operators from advancing their
skills and participating more fully in the benefits of Amateur
Radio," the FCC said. The ARRL had asked the FCC to retain the 5 WPM
for Amateur Extra class applicants only. The FCC proposed earlier to
drop the requirement across the board, however, and it held to that
decision in today's R&O.

Perhaps more important, the FCC's action in WT Docket 05-235 appears
to put all Technician licensees on an equal footing: Once the R&O
goes into effect, holders of Technician class licenses will have
equivalent HF privileges, whether or not they've passed the 5 WPM
Element 1 Morse examination. The FCC said the R&O in the Morse code
docket would eliminate a disparity in the operating privileges for
the Technician and Technician Plus class licensees. Technician
licensees without Element 1 credit (ie, Tech Plus licensees)
currently have operating privileges on all amateur frequencies above
30 MHz.

"With today's elimination of the Morse code exam requirements, the
FCC concluded that the disparity between the operating privileges of
Technician Class licensees and Technician Plus Class licensees
should not be retained," the FCC said in its public notice.
"Therefore, the FCC, in today's action, afforded Technician and
Technician Plus licensees identical operating privileges."

The wholesale elimination of a Morse code requirement for all
license classes ends a longstanding national and international
regulatory tradition in the requirements to gain access to Amateur
Radio frequencies below 30 MHz. The first no-code license in the US
was the Technician ticket, instituted in 1991. The question of
whether or not to drop the Morse requirement altogether has been the
subject of often-heated debate over the past several years, but the
handwriting has been on the wall. A number of countries, including
Canada, no longer require applicants for an Amateur Radio license to
pass a Morse code test to gain HF operating privileges. The list has
been increasing regularly.

The FCC said today's R&O in WT Docket 05-235 comports with revisions
to the international Radio Regulations resulting from the
International Telecommunication Union (ITU) World Radiocommunication
Conference 2003 (WRC-03). At that gathering, delegates agreed to
authorize each country to determine whether or not to require that
applicants demonstrate Morse code proficiency in order to qualify
for an Amateur Radio license with privileges on frequencies below 30
MHz.

Typically, the effective date of an FCC Order is 30 days after it
appears in the Federal Register. That would mean the Morse
requirement and the revised 80-meter segment for automatically
controlled digital stations would likely not go into effect until
late January 2007.

The ARRL will provide any additional information on these important
Part 97 rule revisions as it becomes available.
NNNN
/EX

[wc5b]

Wow, no comments?? Well, its about time for it. I'm tired of the debate, arguments, name calling, and feelings getting hurt. Its time to get it over with and move on. Hope to see you on HF really soon. And for all the Techs, I will keep an ear open on 28.400 more often. Lets roll!

[k3eko]

It was going to happen sooner or later...Just a matter of when.

73

Frank K3EKO

[KW0U]

Imagine the next step will be to change the subbands. Personally I'd like to see 20 phone go down a few kHz. Sure that will get some comments too!

[w4mja]

Well I guess this will put alot on manufactures who only make code learning products out of business. Sure you will have a few people who learn code and use it, but for the most part, there are going to be tons more people to add to the pile ups on HF bands. Too bad they could not keep the code for extra.

[K8WVU]

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[we3y]

For all those who love Morse code please forgive me, while I dance a jig to its demise.

Hooah

[n3ox]

I think it's worth noting that under the new rules, all Technican operators, Element 1 or no, get the Novice/Tech HF privileges, which have, as of Friday, been expanded to General-level on 80m, 40m, 15m, and 10m.

That means there are four very exciting and useful allocations to Technican operators, incoming and existing, and almost all of the spectrum available, and that which is most useful right now in the sunspot cycle, is ****CW ONLY****

The FCC has made a good decision, given that Morse testing was going to go away. The entry level license has substantial incentive to learn and use Morse Code, but Morse won't keep people off of HF anymore.

73, welcome to HF everyone!
Dan

[wa3vjb]

What a disingenuous (deceptive also fits) write up. The group in Newington did not request that the FCC "carve out" any portion of the band to accomodate digital, automated systems that use ham radio for email from the internet.

The ARRL in reality filed a formal challenge against the FCC's decision NOT to provide such a segment within the newly enacted phone band. There was no public spirit of cooperation displayed in the League's document filed at the last minute before the new phone band was enacted on Friday.

The FCC later that day rejected the League's challenge, and Ordered that the remaining reserved space for morse code also be the location for automatic and other digital activity being promoted by the group in Newington. This forces the operators to relocate, in a clear failure for the ARRL whose attorney struggled to argue that they should stay put.

Also,regarding the two Technician Class licenses, it is not at all clear whether the FCC intends to merge them into one class with the HIGHER of the two privileges, or reduce the superior of the two down to the operating areas allowed for no-code, post- 1991 Techs.

It could certainly go either way, if the FCC wishes to provide some incentive to get the remaining Technician licensees into upperclass tickets.

Paul/VJB

[n3ox]

Paul, I read arrl.org directly as of this morning... they revised it on their site.

No-Code Techs will have HF privileges on 80,40,15, and 10 when the R&O goes into effect, general-level CW only on 80,40,15, general-level CW&DATA and .300-.500 Voice on 10m

Dan

[wc5b]

Quote[/b] (w4mja @ Dec. 16 2006,09:59)]Well I guess this will put alot on manufactures who only make code learning products out of business. Sure you will have a few people who learn code and use it, but for the most part, there are going to be tons more people to add to the pile ups on HF bands. Too bad they could not keep the code for extra.
I think they were dieing anyways. (Code practice kits and such) Seems that everyone was turning to technology to send and receive more and more already. Every contest station on the air already was automated. I can barley read code, but in a contest, I am at 32 WPM just like everyone else.

[K8TEK]

Heh, No Code Extra, here I come!!!!!http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[wa3vjb]

Well thanks Dan, that will be good if true. I have read the FCC's announcement from Friday to get the most accurate, and least speculative version of what the agency has said thus far.

FCC's Version Here (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf)

As noted, the people in Newington are doing all they possibly can to avoid being tagged with yet another set of failures and to squirm away from yet another declaration of "loser" in their inside agenda they press against the FCC and against the greater Amateur community.

[K9FV]

>With today’s elimination of the Morse code exam requirements, the FCC concluded that the disparity between the operating privileges of Technician Class licensees and Technician Plus Class licensees should not be retained. Therefore, the FCC, in today’s action, afforded Technician and Technician Plus licensees identical operating privileges>"

Paul, you are correct, in re-reading the above (direct from the FCC pdf file), it just says they will be the same, not "which" will be used. #I "think" it will be the Tech Plus that will be retained, but who knows.

73 de Ken H>

[wc5b]

The League could not get a win in this if they tried. If they supported the change, they would alienate a large segment of there life time members. If they fight it, they would alienate many newcomers and possible new members. You have to feel for them in this one no matter how you feel on this one. Its a no win situation.

Tom

[K9FV]

I have a question: there are many comments on "when will this be effective" - In reading the pdf file itself, at the very top is "FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:"

Then on down in the body it says:
>Today’s Order also revises the operating privileges for Technician Class licensees by eliminating a disparity in the operating privileges for the Technician Class and Technician Plus Class licensees.>

Could that mean "effective as of today?"

Ken H>

[K8WVU]

A lot of Hams are hearing different frequncies than the ones that I have been listing to for a few years.
The nasty,rude people with no respect for other Hams are on the H F bands.
I dont hear these kind of people on the 2 meter band. 73 to all http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif [CODE]

[wa3vjb]

To the point made by WC5B
Quote[/b] ]You have to feel for them in this one no matter how you feel on this one. Its a no win situation.

Tom , I feel contempt for the current leadership in Newington. They are spineless and lost.

There are ways to "win" the reapportionment of boundries on the HF bands, and the FCC has taken careful consideration of public Comments that were filed. The most persuasive Comments did NOT come from people at the ARRL, and that's why the leadership of that group is so bitter.

They have lost the mandate they once held of being the steward for the Amateur Service. More and more people are stepping around them and making proposals that are logical, broad-thinking and progressive. The FCC's analysts see the difference, and they now put the rest of us on an equal level for consideration as anything that might come from the ARRL.

Anyone, including industry outsiders, looking at the ARRL's formal, legal filings with the FCC (they're all on the FCC website) will see a combative, confused attorney who is apparently taking orders from people who don't know how to finesse a federal agency, or are so arrogant as to think their tactics of persuasion are effective.

There needs to be a wholesale change of League leadership and an overhaul of the system that insulates the ARRL from the amateur community if the League is to ever resume its leadership role.

Today's combination of a disconnected system and narrow minded, tired old leadership enables back room, secret deliberations that we are left to react to rather than participate within.

The FCC sees this and will continue to hand the ARRL setbacks if anyone else takes time to come up with better plans or points out why the League is a mistake.

It's regrettable that the ARRL's fortunes have slipped as far as they have (subscriptions have fallen to less than 1 in 5 licensed Amateurs), but when they keep yelling and shaking their fists to no effect, maybe they will realize at least some of criticism out here is valid.

Paul/VJB

[n3ox]

"Could that mean "effective as of today?"

Nah, I'm sure it's like the last one... the R&O hasn't been released, will be released offically on Monday or something, and will be effective 1 month after it's published in the Federal Register.

(No-Code-Techs, is there still time left to ask for an HF rig for Xmas?)

///actually, re-read ARRL site again, seems that the FCC could order it effective immediately, but we at least have to wait until start of business Monday, because the R&O isn't out yet.

[wc5b]

WA3VJB- No offense. but thats what I am not going to miss about this whole thing. I don't understand why we have to resort to name calling. I will be glad to just get it behind us. If there is a lot of people that still feel so strongly that ham radio is doomed, I will be checking ebay regularly for good deals on equipment. I know plenty of great hams that I will enjoy talking to more often now because of this. But lets show a little chivalry and not resort to belittling statements which hurt our hobby more then a cw requirement or easy exams.

[k7unz]

Speaking as a guy who has been CW only for 47 years, I've never understood the uproar over dropping the test requirement.

CW operation is only one of many modes available, and the choice of what mode you want to operate is up to the individual operator. #There was never a requirement to demonstrate your knowledge of the baudot code to operate RTTY or ASCII to do a data mode, and you never had to hiss and buzz a simulated SSTV signal to operate that mode either.....

It's not the end of CW, people who discover it's advantages will still want to use it.

Get a grip guys, and think of it this way. #The ops who prefer phone will still be in the phone sub-bands. #There should be little, to no, effect on the CW ops at all.

Might have been nice to keep it for the Extra, just as a bit of tradition, but that's a moot point now.

Have fun, enjoy the hobby....whichever part of it appeals to you!

73, #Jim/k7unz

[W6PEA]

The first time I read the news release I was confused http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
The more I read it, the more confused I get. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Maybe it's the lack of coffee?

[wa3vjb]

From WC5B
Quote[/b] ]WA3VJB- No offense. but thats what I am not going to miss about this whole thing. I don't understand why we have to resort to name calling.

Tom, no offense taken, for cryin' out loud. Discussions like this are supposed to be taking place in exchanges with "leaders" at the ARRL, before the group in Newington cooks up another questionable scheme and ships it to the FCC for us to find out about and react to.

Most of the people who successfully dispute the stuff coming from the ARRL would have preferred to point out the misguided direction before it reached the FCC. But there is a strong and pervasive mentality at the League that their people know best, regardless of feedback they may happen to elicit.

They will continue to get spanked by the FCC and in the court of public opinion, until they recede to such a marginal level no one will care when they speak, including the FCC.

You mentioned how their group couldn't pull a "win" out of the matter now resolved in the Report and Order enacted Friday. I disagree.

The Life Members you cite are certainly loyal to changes that are the best for the hobby, if such changes are welcomed by the majority of operators. No alienation can take place if that path is the one selected.

Instead, narrow interests dominate the ARRL's agenda, causing alienation and the chagrin among members and those who have decided against subscribing to the League. Worse, their leadership sneaks around cooking up such schemes and obtaining endorsements in a very faulty attempt at establishing some credentials for whatever proposal they cough up.


Paul/VJB

[k8cpa]

I think some brave Amateur Radio Truck Driver, needs to get a good load of cow manure and dump it on the FCC's office's front lawn....

Hmmmm... I know where a good dump truck is.... #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[n0xas]

I'm with UNZ on this one. If you're a CW operator (like me), there is absolutely not one thing that will prevent you from doing just what you've been doing all along. You'll probably hear a few more newbies, slow fists, and horrid sending as time goes by and more people try out HF CW. And how, exactly, could that be construed as a bad thing? More CW ops would be welcome, and everyone improves with practice. Today's shaky, barely-readable 5WPM newbie is next year's rock-solid op. We were all novices (in one form or another) at one time. Work 'em, help 'em out, and let 'em find their way.

If you're a phone op, you only really have to worry about 10 meters - and there's plenty of real estate there. As long as it doesn't decline into that circus known as night time 75M phone (all users of which, I might point out, DID take a code test), it's all good.

If there is a serious influx of new licensees, maybe we'll see some improvement in the product offerings and/or pricing of new gear. Commercial ham radio manufacturers might even find enough business to be able to join the current century and start equipping their rigs with things like USB ports and properly isolated inputs for digital modes. Unfortunately ham radio is far enough into the nerd zone for most of the small segment of the population who have even heard of it, that I don't foresee any real influx of new hams. I'm betting the "rush" will number in the triple or low quadruple digits.

In short, Morse code testing or no Morse code testing, I fail to see how this will negatively impact anyone.

[w5rkl]

It's a sad day for amateur radio in the U.S. with the elimination of the code requirement to obtain an amateur radio license!!! What's going to happen next; elimination of the amateur radio exams all together???

A sad day indeed. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

W5RKL

[w6em]

Quote[/b] (wa3vjb @ Dec. 15 2006,12:21)]It's regrettable that the ARRL's fortunes have slipped as far as they have (subscriptions have fallen to less than 1 in 5 licensed Amateurs), but when they keep yelling and shaking their fists to no effect, maybe they will realize at least some of criticism out here is valid.

Paul/VJB
Paul: I sure hope that they heard a message in all of this. I am pessimistic, though.

What I suspect, on the contrary, is a commercial-collusive alliance that drives ARRL to the money trough, since memberships aren't yielding sufficient financial reward.

Case in point: Their Petition for "Partial" Reconsideration and yesterday's last ditch attempt to steal even more spectrum for their pet ARRLink, wideband internet content goal for the HF bands.

Expending the effort was telling. At least the FCC's response was somewhat subdued and partially logical.

What I find most interesting was all of the "under the table" communication that likely took place to get the "Erratum" issued. The original Order's intent was to define narrowbandwidth for digital modes. Oh, but the ARRL couldn't LIVE without PacTOR III and the open door to the next generation of multicarrier, wide bandwidth digicr*p. The FCC knows this plainly enough.

Its really a shame to see an agency add another narrow bandwidth digital mode, with bandwidth constraint as it should be, yet leave the door wide open, once again via its Erratum, to the exploitation of spectrum by PacTOR N J2D devices that will be capable of consuming upwards of 10kHz of spectrum each.

How ridiculous for the ARRL to even ask for *any* spectrum for autobots, let alone 35kHz. That's 7 percent of the 80Meter band for use by maybe 0.005% of all US amateurs that use the ham bands for internet email service.

ARRL certainly is not listening to the majority of its membership. Nor, does it apparently care to.

73,

[ne0x]

allright, now lets get on with the important business, lets ban cw alltogether so the fone guys can operate everywhere and the ch 19 crowd can now join us in the fun.....ohhhh gaaaaaad, careful what u wish for, u might get it........

[wa3vjb]

Lee, thanks.

Increasingly I believe the FCC is ready to accept individual leadership by concensus, as it already has weaned away from sole reliance on League maneuvers for rulemaking guidance.

The ARRL's people, meantime, have not been responsive to private entreaties, public humiliation, and regulatory defeat. I share your pessimism.

Paul/VJB

[n5ikg]

Well I hope they keep some space exclusive for CW operators but that hope is dwindling.

[n0oh]

It is truly a sad day for amateur radio. I guess it is time to throw away the mic...

[kb1ist]

what about technician's with no code that currently have completed the general theory but have not passed the code yet will they become generals automatically?

[K9FV]

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[KD7ZOS]

Greetings and Merry Christmas to all: Sorry about not being politically correct...:-( ! Question to all much smarter than me, How will this effect techs, who are studying for General? Will we have to do only the written Gen. test? Nothing further needed, just wait for a upgraded license notification, or what please? I already bought myself a HF rig for Christmas, to listen on untill I upgraded! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif 73's Stay Safe and God Bless, Tom KD7ZOS P.S. Happy Holidays to the non Christian Folks!!:-)

[K9FV]

Quote[/b] (KD7ZOS @ Dec. 16 2006,12:18)]Greetings and Merry Christmas to all: #Sorry about not being politically correct...:-( ! #Question to all much smarter than me, How will this effect techs, who are studying for General? #Will we have to do only the written Gen. test? Nothing further needed, just wait for a upgraded license notification, or what please? #I already bought myself a HF rig for Christmas, to listen on untill I upgraded! # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #73's Stay Safe and God Bless, Tom KD7ZOS #P.S. Happy Holidays to the non Christian Folks!!:-)
The current techs studying for upgrade will be required to only pass the General written with no code test - AFTER the new ruling takes affect - which will be sometime between now and the next couple of months.

73 de Ken H.

[kb1ist]

i am a no code tech right now but back in march of this year i passed the general therory test in hopes studying for the code, unfortunatly i havent gotten the code down yet to take the test so i was wondering how that would work would i get the general automaticly without anymore testing or would i have to take a new test thanx 73

[n3ox]

Quote[/b] (kb1ist @ Dec. 16 2006,11:12)]what about technician's with no code that currently have completed the general theory but have not passed the code yet will they become generals automatically?
Yes, I think so. If that's you, congrats!

[wc5b]

To VJB, Paul, I get what your saying for sure. I originally posted the statement before your first edit, and without your context, it was kind of a shot in the dark. Although I agree with the FCC doing this and thats my opinion, I also agree completely with your opinion on the ARRL. How can they ignore there base of Life time members? They cant. And they did the right thing for the majority of the members. All I'm saying is that there is an obvious segment of our hobby that is for the no-code, and may or may not remember there position on this and maybe not invest in a life time membership or not renew next year.

I am not so sure that this is the voice of the minority. Its prob closer to 33% code 33% no code and 33% could give a care less, But one things for sure! Minority voices in a whole are destroying more then just ham radio.

[KD7YMR]

Yes, it was bound to happen. However, the TOTAL elimination of CODE is a shame. . . But when Granny kicks the bucket, one doesn't just prop her up in a corner and lacker her until she's stiff as a board and stops smelling, right? So I guess it really is time to stop beating that dead horse now, huh?

A simple pause to reflect though. . . . How it all started. . . Where all of this came from.

Anyway, if you take things as they are TODAY, Anybody with a few $$ to their name can communicate via radio to anywhere in the world without so much as a thought of a test, let alone licensing. The Brave New World of Cell Phones! No fuss, no muss, and it has a bloody camera built into it! Video and still pictures. Surf the Web. Talk to people around the world without so much as a care of sun spots, coax length or antennas blowing over. . .

If one steps back away from it all and takes a realistic view of how things really are, one can see that Cell Phones to HAM radio is the same thing that VCR's were to Drive-In Theaters; Total obliteration! Our leaders had to do something very drastic just to keep any sort of new interest alive in the dusty ol' art of radio communications, and that's what it is nowadays, simply an "Arcane Art", still viable but not a needful method of communications anymore. . . It's been reduced down to an expensive hobby nowadays. Besides, it never really was 100% reliable with or without morris code anyway, is it?

REGARDLESS, I for one am definitely going to take advantage of the situation! I didn't have the time to practice CODE, but I can read all sorts of books on the run about radio theory, so that puts the upper reaches of licensing into my arena now! The officials were correct in that statement, saying that the elimination of the CW requirement was stifling the advancement of interested folk. . .

Well, I WAS one of them folk! Thanks FCC! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[K8MHZ]

The news was broadcasted over the PA at a hamfest I was at today.

11 people committed suicide right in the gym. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[K1MVP]

Quote[/b] (k7unz @ Dec. 16 2006,10:28)]Speaking as a guy who has been CW only for 47 years, I've never understood the uproar over dropping the test requirement.

CW operation is only one of many modes available, and the choice of what mode you want to operate is up to the individual operator. #There was never a requirement to demonstrate your knowledge of the baudot code to operate RTTY or ASCII to do a data mode, and you never had to hiss and buzz a simulated SSTV signal to operate that mode either.....

It's not the end of CW, people who discover it's advantages will still want to use it.

Get a grip guys, and think of it this way. #The ops who prefer phone will still be in the phone sub-bands. #There should be little, to no, effect on the CW ops at all.

Might have been nice to keep it for the Extra, just as a bit of tradition, but that's a moot point now.

Have fun, enjoy the hobby....whichever part of it appeals to you!

73, #Jim/k7unz
After having been licensed for just over 47 years,--My
perception over the past 20 to 25 years has NOT been
the "promotion" of CW, IMO

With the lowering of the CW requirement, #down to
5wpm, and now the elimination of the requirement
for all classes, and #"compression" of the cw bands,--the "picture" is becoming quite "clear" as to
where this "train" is headed.

# # # # # # # # # # # # # 73, K1MVP

P.S.,--of course CW ops can still "legally operate" in
# # # # the phone bands, if "push comes to shove" --
# # # # forget about qrp, and go "QRO CW", hmmm

[n0jaa]

The NCT CB'ers have finally gotten their way. #The dumbing down of Amateur Radio continues...

I hope Samuel F. B. Morse is turning over in his grave!

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[KD7YMR]

Quote[/b] (n0oh @ Dec. 16 2006,11:10)]It is truly a sad day for amateur radio. I guess it is time to throw away the mic...

Hey, you're getting WAY to drastic. Besides, it's "Throw away the KEY." Not the mike. You need to go Buy a Mic. .. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[W5OQ]

Here we go adding more frequencies for the CB Band. Ham Radio as we know it is down the tube.

I have always believed that to appreciate anything you must work for it. This philosophy has always worked for me.

Needless to say, I am so very disappointed that this has happened!!



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[wc5b]

Ah, there it is! Old faithful! The statement of all statements in the ham world! "Dumbing Down of Ham Radio". Don't worry guys, you will find something else to label and example of it sooner or later. Everything needs a break and that statements turn starts now. HIHI. When you find something new to use it on, let us know.

P.S. Just pullin your chain.

Tom

[N1BHH]

Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Dec. 16 2006,13:49)]The NCT CB'ers have finally gotten their way. The dumbing down of Amateur Radio continues...

I hope Samuel F. B. Morse is turning over in his grave!

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There you go again, calling it the dumbing down. There is only one solution to this whole mess, take a new ham into your home and mentor him. Show him how a well built wire antenna up in the trees can radiate a decent signal to the far reaches of the world. Show them how good clean audio is created, how a solid grounding of the radio contributes to improved audio and signal. Show the rest on amateur radio that you aren't Chicken Little and are not turning your back on what could very well be an outstanding, bright, intelligent amateur radio operator. The new operators when brought under your wing will reflect on you, be it good or bad. It's up to you and me and all the other hams out there to set a good example.

[wc5b]

Throw away a mic?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif I thought this was about preserving code??? So the truth comes out! Its not all about code after all. LOL

[n7vr]

Hi All,
I only have one fear about this.
I hope the lord will give me enough strength and time for all the code students that are about to request inclusion in my classes.

Otherwise, It is just a change.

[k1lwi]

THIS IS VERY SAD DAY IN HAM RADI0 WHAT NEXT DO WAY WITH THE WRITTEN EXAM TOO. WE BE ALL CBER #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #THIS IS CRAZY BUT I A OLD FOOL I GUESS LIC 48 YRS #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[ac5jv]

well it finnally happened ! i feel sorry for the guys like me, ve's that have to figure this out for testing sessions . hope the arrl/vec will get in gear and get us the new info out quickly so we can take care of it . as for my feelings on it ?? with all there is good and bad . but its over now!!!!!!! 73's

[KC7YM]

I've been a ham for 31 years and most of it on cw. Its a sad day to see this come about. What's next, no ticket at all, just like the 11 meter crowd... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

I support KNOW code !!!! ---- KC7YM

[kb1ist]

well guys speaking for the area that i live in [western mass] when they dropped the no code testing for technician's the cbers didn't overwhelm the two meter repeaters here in fact the are less active today than they were ten years ago thanks for listening soon to be general kb1ist

[n5ikg]

I was told by a Coast Guard radio operator in 1998 or so that the CG was no longer teaching or using CW. Now the Feds have nibbled at the CW bands allowing phone more room. Salami tactics, one slice at a time. When no one in the next generation learns CW then they take the band away, one slice at a time. 5 WPM really should not have been that much of a challenge

[w2pl]

I can see chaos starting on the bands now because of confusion, so let me present it in a simple form:

1. None of this takes effect yet. It first has to be published in the Federal Register. It could take several weeks before it is published. Once it is published the effective date of the rule change is THIRTY (30) DAYS later.

2. The FCC PRESS release, says for IMMEDIATE RELEASE... that means the story is immediately released to the press. RELEASE is not synonymous with EFFECTIVE Date. It does not say effective immediately. You can read all about this in Part 97 of the rules if you want more detail.

3. Technician PLUS class licensees will see no change in their operating privileges. You do NOT get General class privileges.

4. NO CODE Technicians will get Technician Plus privileges which, ironically, are MOSTLY CW, so to use most of your new privileges, you will need to learn Morse Code. The NEW privileges are:

80 Mtrs CW ONLY 3.525 - 3.600 MHz (NO Data - means NO RTTY, PACKET, PSK31,etc.)
40 Mtrs CW ONLY 7.025 - 7.125 MHz (NO Data - means NO RTTY, PACKET, PSK31,etc.)
15 Mtrs CW ONLY 21.025-21.200 MHz (NO Data - means NO RTTY, PACKET, PSK31,etc.)

10 Mtrs CW and Data 28.0 -28.3 MHz
10 Mtrs CW & Voice 28.3 - 28.5 MHz (NO IMAGE)

Additionally morse code testing will no longer be required for General, Advanced and Extra classes ONCE the new rules go into effect! Until they do, 5 wpm Morse code testing is still a requirement. Once the new rules take effect you will still need to apply for a license, you do not get privileges beyond the class it states on your license... you if you passed a General written test for example but did not yet pass the code you will not automatically become a General -- you have to apply for it and receive a license that says "GENERAL CLASS" on it before you start operating with those privileges.

I hope this helps to clarify the issue.

73,
Phil

[wc5b]

That was a great post Phil. I hope it does not get overlooked. One thing I might add is in regards to #1, Congress is not in session. So your looking at as FAR off as Feb.15th even. This means, If you have taken General written and your CSCE runs out in FEB, you are right on the bubble I suspect.

[KD7YMR]

Quote[/b] (W5OQ @ Dec. 16 2006,11:59)]Here we go adding more frequencies for the CB Band. Ham Radio as we know it is down the tube.

I have always believed that to appreciate anything you must work for it. This philosophy has always worked for me.

Needless to say, I am so very disappointed that this has happened!!



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Where have you been? Truckers are going out and getting their license so they can Jabber their "CB" on the 10 meter band, just to Get Away from the CB band! They've been doing that for the last 5 years now that I'm aware of. Have you seen any of that "Dumbing Down" in the last 5 years? No?? Humm. . .

People just have to wine about something or another without actually Knowing anything about the issue they're complaining about! They just gripe to hear them selves make noise. Maybe just to make themselves seem important in front of their cronies? Who knows why?!

We all darn well knew this was to happen, so it gives you a chance to complain AGAIN, doesn't it? How about thinking of all the good people this will help? instead of crying in your beer and trying to pull a pity-party or stir up more hate and discontent, why don't you go try and find something to back up your worst worries about it?! Document your concerns and make them real or Shud`dap already! NObody likes a winer!

And that goes for all you winers out there. It's over and done with. Just Stop It Now. It's Over, and guess what?! NOBODY LOST!

[n0oh]

Quote[/b] (abaslon @ Dec. 16 2006,11:48)]Yes, it was bound to happen. However, the TOTAL elimination of CODE is a shame. . . But when Granny kicks the bucket, one doesn't just prop her up in a corner and lacker her until she's stiff as a board and stops smelling, right? So I guess it really is time to stop beating that dead horse now, huh?

A simple pause to reflect though. . . . How it all started. . . Where all of this came from.

Anyway, if you take things as they are TODAY, Anybody with a few $$ to their name can communicate via radio to anywhere in the world without so much as a thought of a test, let alone licensing. The Brave New World of Cell Phones! No fuss, no muss, and it has a bloody camera built into it! Video and still pictures. Surf the Web. Talk to people around the world without so much as a care of sun spots, coax length or antennas blowing over. . .

If one steps back away from it all and takes a realistic view of how things really are, one can see that Cell Phones to HAM radio is the same thing that VCR's were to Drive-In Theaters; Total obliteration! Our leaders had to do something very drastic just to keep any sort of new interest alive in the dusty ol' art of radio communications, and that's what it is nowadays, simply an "Arcane Art", still viable but not a needful method of communications anymore. . . It's been reduced down to an expensive hobby nowadays. Besides, it never really was 100% reliable with or without morris code anyway, is it?

REGARDLESS, I for one am definitely going to take advantage of the situation! I didn't have the time to practice CODE, but I can read all sorts of books on the run about radio theory, so that puts the upper reaches of licensing into my arena now! The officials were correct in that statement, saying that the elimination of the CW requirement was stifling the advancement of interested folk. . .

Well, I WAS one of them folk! Thanks FCC! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
You have got to be kidding! When there is a tornado that knocks down the local cell towers, then see how far your cell phone will get you! When that happens, I can take my FT-920, place it in my vehicle, string a wire, and I will be talking worldwide while you are looking at your cell phone wondering why only the camera works...

[K6FTF]

Quote[/b] (n3ox @ Dec. 16 2006,11:24)]Quote[/b] (kb1ist @ Dec. 16 2006,11:12)]what about technician's with no code that currently have completed the general theory but have not passed the code yet will they become generals automatically?
Yes, I think so. If that's you, congrats!
I passed the element 3 in Oct 2005, and didn't pass element 1 in the year. Given this new development, I wonder if I just need to bring in the proof that I passed, or do I need to pass it again?

[k1lwi]

Quote[/b] (k8cpa @ Dec. 16 2006,10:43)]I think some brave Amateur Radio Truck Driver, needs to get a good load of cow manure and dump it on the FCC's office's front lawn....

Hmmmm... I know where a good dump truck is.... #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
HOW ABOUT THE ARRL TOO http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[wc5b]

Quote[/b] (n0oh @ Dec. 16 2006,12:32)]Quote[/b] (abaslon @ Dec. 16 2006,11:48)]Yes, it was bound to happen. However, the TOTAL elimination of CODE is a shame. . . But when Granny kicks the bucket, one doesn't just prop her up in a corner and lacker her until she's stiff as a board and stops smelling, right? So I guess it really is time to stop beating that dead horse now, huh?

A simple pause to reflect though. . . . How it all started. . . Where all of this came from.

Anyway, if you take things as they are TODAY, Anybody with a few $$ to their name can communicate via radio to anywhere in the world without so much as a thought of a test, let alone licensing. The Brave New World of Cell Phones! No fuss, no muss, and it has a bloody camera built into it! Video and still pictures. Surf the Web. Talk to people around the world without so much as a care of sun spots, coax length or antennas blowing over. . .

If one steps back away from it all and takes a realistic view of how things really are, one can see that Cell Phones to HAM radio is the same thing that VCR's were to Drive-In Theaters; Total obliteration! Our leaders had to do something very drastic just to keep any sort of new interest alive in the dusty ol' art of radio communications, and that's what it is nowadays, simply an "Arcane Art", still viable but not a needful method of communications anymore. . . It's been reduced down to an expensive hobby nowadays. Besides, it never really was 100% reliable with or without morris code anyway, is it?

REGARDLESS, I for one am definitely going to take advantage of the situation! I didn't have the time to practice CODE, but I can read all sorts of books on the run about radio theory, so that puts the upper reaches of licensing into my arena now! The officials were correct in that statement, saying that the elimination of the CW requirement was stifling the advancement of interested folk. . .

Well, I WAS one of them folk! Thanks FCC! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
You have got to be kidding! When there is a tornado that knocks down the local cell towers, then see how far your cell phone will get you! When that happens, I can take my FT-920, place it in my vehicle, string a wire, and I will be talking worldwide while you are looking at your cell phone wondering why only the camera works...
So whats your complaint! Now he will be able to do the same! See, its a good thing!

[KG4FQF]

Droping the code is OK with me. I do have my General class license. I think there should be a line drawn in the HF bands though. For example, the Technician would get a 1/3 part, the General would get a 2/3 part ( Tech and General), and the Extra would get all 3 parts (Tech, General and Extra) of each of the HF bands.

[wc5b]

Quote[/b] (k1lwi @ Dec. 16 2006,12:34)]Quote[/b] (k8cpa @ Dec. 16 2006,10:43)]I think some brave Amateur Radio Truck Driver, needs to get a good load of cow manure and dump it on the FCC's office's front lawn....

Hmmmm... I know where a good dump truck is.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
HOW ABOUT THE ARRL TOO http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
That does not even make since! They are on opposing views on the issue.

[KG4FQF]

Droping the code is OK with me. I do have my General class license. I think there should be a line drawn in the HF bands though. For example, the Technician would get a 1/3 part, the General would get a 2/3 part ( Tech and General), and the Extra would get all 3 parts (Tech, General and Extra) of each of the HF bands.

[wb0m]

It's hard to say what will happen now, or at least when this takes affect. Going no-code was inevitable, with the way the rest of the world has moved, but I was really hoping that at least code would be required for the extra class license. I definitely feel part of the ham radio "charm" has been taken away.

[wc5b]

Quote[/b] (KG4FQF @ Dec. 16 2006,12:40)]Droping the code is OK with me. I do have my General class license. I think there should be a line drawn in the HF bands though. For example, the Technician would get a 1/3 part, the General would get a 2/3 part ( Tech and General), and the Extra would get all 3 parts (Tech, General and Extra) of each of the HF bands.
That has way to much common sense for this group. HIHI Expect to be flamed in the near future. HA

[ke7gkj]

Whats done is done. Im new to ham (july of 06) I thought I was going to have to learn code in order to enjoy the wonderfull world of HF. Apparently now im not going to have to. I can understand people who have been in ham for 40+ years being very angry and upset about this move by the FCC. All that can be done by those people is to mentor new hams and educate them and eventually teach them CW. I for one will probably end up learning it anyways...despite the dropping of it. I just dont see what all the anger and arguing is going to accomplish. Ham radio is a wonderfull hobby and way of life and I fear that the people reading these boards that don't yet have thier ticket and might be studying to get thiers will be hesitant or will just decide that its not worth it. These are just my thoughts...hopefully i wont be persecuted for them

[ke7gkj]

Whats done is done. Im new to ham (july of 06) I thought I was going to have to learn code in order to enjoy the wonderfull world of HF. Apparently now im not going to have to. I can understand people who have been in ham for 40+ years being very angry and upset about this move by the FCC. All that can be done by those people is to mentor new hams and educate them and eventually teach them CW. I for one will probably end up learning it anyways...despite the dropping of it. I just dont see what all the anger and arguing is going to accomplish. Ham radio is a wonderfull hobby and way of life and I fear that the people reading these boards that don't yet have thier ticket and might be studying to get thiers will be hesitant or will just decide that its not worth it. These are just my thoughts...hopefully i wont be persecuted for them

[W0FS]

When you say "nobody lost" i beg to differ. The 80 meter general class CW operator lost 150 khz, from 3600 to 3750. When the cw ops are jammed into 100 khz with the digital signals and 25 khz of that is extra only, it will be a real zoo, especially during cw contests. A lot of contesters have no regard for a frequency being in use.
It would seem if we have spectrum to throw away to make more room for signals that hog 10 khz of the phone band each, there should have been a little more left for the cw and digital ops.
73, Clay WØFS

[ad6qd]

breaker breaker good buddies, 10/4
good luck...:p

[k3zor]

Welcome aboard Techs! It'll be nice to get some more activity on the 10M band. 10M has plenty of space and is an excellent band for DX when the band is open and it's also makes a nice 'local' ragchew band as well. I look forward to hearing a few new voices on soon!

Also, by all means look into upgrading to get on the other HF bands so you can enjoy this hobby to it's fullest. I am sure that the written tests will become much harder since CW is being removed, but I am certain you will find that it is worth it.

73 and Enjoy! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Jim - K3ZOR

[kb1ist]

Quote[/b] (ad6qd @ Dec. 16 2006,12:50)]breaker breaker good buddies, 10/4
good luck...:p
you say that very well a former cber maybe?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[W4CNG]

Now is the time to get in touch with these new folks when they get licensed and Elmer them. #Some will be wanting to join your or my club. #Let them read some, answer their questions, help them build up a functional station (yes it does take some $$$ in varying amounts) and show them how to operate in a proper manner. If you don't, we will hear garbage on the air, Mr Ruffy RF Issues, and all sorts of the issues we hear now and then on the air now. #There isn't any excuse for a bad sounding station (CW or Phone), but there are many excuses not to get it right.

It is time to step up to the plate and help the new Crowd that we all know is coming, just like those who helped us way back when we were wet behind the ears...

Shovel all the negative issues out the door and go forward. #If you don;t, you are likely to get run over by those of us running toward you.

Good Luck to All
Steve W4CNG (operates CW, Phone, and digital modes except Win-Link Pactor)

[ki5f]

My gosh! Everyone thinks that this is the end of amateur radio. It is not the end of amateur radio. Just because they are no longer going to test cw doesn't mean that cw is banned! I believe that cw will be around for many,many years to come. I also do not believe that the bands will start to sound like the chicken band. We must teach them by example, and even teach them directly if we must on how to operate properly. We don't comdemn kids when they can't do algebra. We teach them to do it (or at least try to!). What I am trying to say is, we will be having a whole new crowd on the hf bands coming soon. Welcome them and do not alienate them all because they did not take a cw test.

Don't be chicken little because the sky is not falling!!

-73 and have a wonderful Christmas.

[n0ov]

Well that should boost HF Radio sales over the holidays.

Personally, this is not the end of amateur radio. If they eliminate the license requirement, that will be the end of amateur radio.

Is that the next thing everyone is going to wine about -- taking a written test?

[KD7YMR]

Quote[/b] (n0oh @ Dec. 16 2006,12:32)]Quote[/b] (abaslon @ Dec. 16 2006,11:48)]Yes, it was bound to happen. However, the TOTAL elimination of CODE is a shame. . . But when Granny kicks the bucket, one doesn't just prop her up in a corner and lacker her until she's stiff as a board and stops smelling, right? So I guess it really is time to stop beating that dead horse now, huh?

A simple pause to reflect though. . . . How it all started. . . Where all of this came from.

Anyway, if you take things as they are TODAY, Anybody with a few $$ to their name can communicate via radio to anywhere in the world without so much as a thought of a test, let alone licensing. The Brave New World of Cell Phones! No fuss, no muss, and it has a bloody camera built into it! Video and still pictures. Surf the Web. Talk to people around the world without so much as a care of sun spots, coax length or antennas blowing over. . .

If one steps back away from it all and takes a realistic view of how things really are, one can see that Cell Phones to HAM radio is the same thing that VCR's were to Drive-In Theaters; Total obliteration! Our leaders had to do something very drastic just to keep any sort of new interest alive in the dusty ol' art of radio communications, and that's what it is nowadays, simply an "Arcane Art", still viable but not a needful method of communications anymore. . . It's been reduced down to an expensive hobby nowadays. Besides, it never really was 100% reliable with or without morris code anyway, is it?

REGARDLESS, I for one am definitely going to take advantage of the situation! I didn't have the time to practice CODE, but I can read all sorts of books on the run about radio theory, so that puts the upper reaches of licensing into my arena now! The officials were correct in that statement, saying that the elimination of the CW requirement was stifling the advancement of interested folk. . .

Well, I WAS one of them folk! Thanks FCC! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
You have got to be kidding! When there is a tornado that knocks down the local cell towers, then see how far your cell phone will get you! When that happens, I can take my FT-920, place it in my vehicle, string a wire, and I will be talking worldwide while you are looking at your cell phone wondering why only the camera works...
So, I guess you totally forgot about the Satellite Cells Phone that have been with us for the last 8 years or so? All governmental officials, news agency's, corporate big-wigs and other techno-geeks with a few $$ own one or two.

As I have tried to communicate in Words, (Not CW, and maybe that was my mistake. . .) The world does turn and new ages come to pass as old ones fade away. You are now seeing a new age. HAM Radio is simply an old-time fad, which was once the main stream of communications. It simply isn't that today anymore. Not in the least. No body has the NEED of a high maintenance or high level of technology which HAM systems require. Or the space, Or the expense. . . When something else is available and for a lot less hassles or $$ involved. And now that the CODE requirement is banished, I still strongly believe that you will see little to no immediate adverse results. Instead you will see the slow decay of the past 20 years, slowed still a little bit more by this new ruling, to lengthen out the life left in the art of HAM Radio Communication.

HAM is NOT in Any Way, the only answer as it was in years gone by. It's only an "Arcane Hobby" of Great Expense nowadays. Like collecting old cars. You still can use them, but there are Much better things out there nowadays. Don't misunderstand me, I love my radio too. I simply refuse to be brain-washed with zealots hype of how indispensable and un-replaceable these devices are. HAM is a CHALLENGE. Not the "Standard" or "Accepted" was of doing business any more. Ham operators, once revered, are nowadays looked upon as curiosities or misguided souls, and even in some instances, geeks. Society as well as technology has changed. Period! You can Not argue that.

And finally; Anybody who is still gryping about loosing the CW requirement is, well, out of touch with the real world. Not only that, but if they were going on and on about it over the CB band, like folk do here, they'd be referred to as a "Ratchet-Jaw"! Hawhahahaha! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KD7YMR]

Quote[/b] (W4CNG @ Dec. 16 2006,12:54)]Now is the time to get in touch with these new folks when they get licensed and Elmer them. Some will be wanting to join your or my club. Let them read some, answer their questions, help them build up a functional station (yes it does take some $$$ in varying amounts) and show them how to operate in a proper manner. If you don't, we will hear garbage on the air, Mr Ruffy RF Issues, and all sorts of the issues we hear now and then on the air now. There isn't any excuse for a bad sounding station (CW or Phone), but there are many excuses not to get it right.

It is time to step up to the plate and help the new Crowd that we all know is coming, just like those who helped us way back when we were wet behind the ears...

Shovel all the negative issues out the door and go forward. If you don;t, you are likely to get run over by those of us running toward you.

Good Luck to All
Steve W4CNG (operates CW, Phone, and digital modes except Win-Link Pactor)
Damn!
I Like you . . . Yer' Kewl! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[k9hpc]

Now I am not going to claim to be half as smart as 90% of you are, I am a Tech-no code and I have been trying for a very long time to learn the morse code. I have bought the tapes, the pocket tutor, and various other Morse code devices to assist me in learning Code. Now as to why I haven't obtained my element 1 CSCE is long and distinguished all of which are of my own doing. So I make no excuses, But with the general and extra tests now not requiring the element 1 certification I will be able to talk with my father who lives in IL while I am here in Norfolk, VA serving this wonderful nation that we live in as a Proud and Active Member of the US Navy for the past 14 years of my life. I will be able to do this on bands not previously available to me as a no-code tech on something other than echo-link which might or might not be operating at a given time. Am I happy that this has finally happened absolutely!! Does this mean that I am going to stop working towards my Morse Code CSCE absouletly NOT!! I will still drive myself to learn those pesky dits and dashes. I just hope that if i amtalking on the new bands after this goes into affect that those of us who are the "NEW" General and "extra" Classes will not be ridiculed by the very few "oldtimers" who consider themselves above us because they have the morse code certification.

[k1mbf]

"HOWDY TO ALL YOU CW OPS OUT THERE." MORSE CODE REQUIREMENT OR NOT, WE CAN STILL HAVE FUN WITH OUR CW QSO'S AND ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO LEARN CODE AND JOIN US IN THE FUN. CHECK OUT skccgroup.com, "STRAIGHT KEY CENTURY CLUB" WITH ACTIVITIES AND AWARDS. I'LL BE LISTENING FOR YOU ON THE CW BANDS, 73'S FROM A TENNESSEE BRASS POUNDER, K1MBF...-.-

[KI4MSA]

Quote[/b] (wa3vjb @ Dec. 15 2006,12:06)]What a disingenuous (deceptive also fits) write up. #The group in Newington did not request that the FCC "carve out" any portion of the band to accomodate digital, automated systems that use ham radio for email from the internet.

The ARRL in reality filed a formal challenge against the FCC's decision NOT to provide such a segment within the newly enacted phone band. There was no public spirit of cooperation displayed in the League's document filed at the last minute before the new phone band was enacted on Friday.

The FCC later that day rejected the League's challenge, and Ordered that the remaining reserved space for morse code also be the location for automatic and other digital activity being promoted by the group in Newington. This forces the operators to relocate, in a clear failure for the ARRL whose attorney struggled to argue that they should stay put.

<u>Also,regarding the two Technician Class licenses, it is not at all clear whether the FCC intends to merge them into one class with the HIGHER of the two privileges, or reduce the superior of the two down to the operating areas allowed for no-code, post- 1991 Techs.

It could certainly go either way, if the FCC wishes to provide some incentive to get the remaining Technician licensees into upperclass tickets.</u>

Paul/VJB
I think the FCC has made it PERFECTLY clear as to what will happen with both Technician classes. #Anybody that actually takes the time to read the FCC release will see that once it becomes effective, No-Code Technicians will have the same operating privileges as the Tech Plus.



This NO-CODE Tech says:
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[af2z]

Quote[/b] (K1MVP @ Dec. 16 2006,11:49)]P.S.,--of course CW ops can still "legally operate" in
# # # # the phone bands, if "push comes to shove" --
# # # # forget about qrp, and go "QRO CW", hmmm
QRO? If push comes to shove how about switching mode to SSB, hook up the sidetone to the mic terminals and key it & the PTT with your J38 or bug? That should give a nice fat "CW" signal! With full break-in! Might cut through the QRM pretty well, too.

Like they say, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em...

73,
AF2Z

[n6kzb]

All is well...
The sky is not falling...
Time moves on to keep pace with progress...
Relax, it's over with, and look forward to more HF contacts...
Good timing with approaching solar cycle...

If you like CW, then get it on, all that has happened is this so
called "right of passage", is soon to be a footnote.

Merry Christamas to all..


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[W4CBJ]

This is a terrible development. Without a code-no code dilemma, what in the world are we going to talk about ? 73 Joe W4CBJ

[n7spy]

*walks in*

*reads thread*

Forget it, it's not worth it... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

*walks away*

[N7SEE]

Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Dec. 16 2006,11:49)]The NCT CB'ers have finally gotten their way. #The dumbing down of Amateur Radio continues...

I hope Samuel F. B. Morse is turning over in his grave!

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It’s attitudes like this Einstein exhibits that have driven many a new op off of the airwaves and put amateur radio at risk in the first place. Heck, I wouldn’t run HF even if I could just because I've personally been subjected to these "people of small mind" ever since I got my ticket. I run a clean station and my practices are above reproach, how many "old timers" have you heard on 75M or even 40M who can claim that? I'd bet money that the same people who gripe the loudest about this are the same people who gripe and complain at every club meeting about new equipment, club functions, and community services the hams are asked to help with. My experience has been that they are also the last ones to lift a finger to help.....Personally, I say good riddance to the small minds. It will leave more bandwidth for the people who know what a hobby is and are willing to help a newcomer. How many older folks out there have wives or even widows who draw a SSI check every month? Did every one of them have a job and pay their own fair share into SSI? Heck no! I personally know 20+ people who get a cheque every month and have never paid a dime into it. I work MY butt off everyday to help pay for their retirement. Would it be fair to stop their cheque since they didnt pay enough or even any thing into SSI? I don’t think so. So why is the “CW or die” crowd so quick to belittle the no codeer as a “lazy ect, ect”. “I had to learn code so you should too” just doesn’t fit any better than “I work for a living and your wife didn’t so she shouldn’t get a nickel” mentality. Lets end the arguing and help those that want to learn and start enjoing the hobby for what it is, a HOBBY.

[kg4kww]

One again the people have spoken for the underlings. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[k4eez]

Kool,

now my YL can study the General and enjoy all the HF fun too
It will also let me get a new radio he he he

what mobile HF radio should I get kg4qoz?
any comments?

k4eez

[wy9l]

[B]hello
i just wanted to say i have only been a ham just over 1 /12 years,at first i wanted them to drop the code but then i started getting into code practice & have changed my opinion on it,i think if a person enjoys doing code then by all means keep doing it,but dont deprive the rest of us from talking hf bands,ham radio is supposed to be a fun hobby,it cant be if everyone is complaining about the lower classes getting to upgrade,i have had some hams say they dont want to talk to hams who just get a free ride,i think that is ridiculous.
please keep the hobby going so we all can enjoy it.

[KI4MSA]

Quote[/b] (ac5jv @ Dec. 15 2006,14:06)]well it finnally happened ! i feel sorry for the guys like me, ve's that have to figure this out #for testing sessions . hope the arrl/vec will get in gear and get us the new info out quickly so we can take care of it . as for my feelings on it ?? #with all there is good and bad . but its over now!!!!!!! #73's
If you are a VE, I truely hope that you don't have have someone explain to you what was released, and what will soon happen.

As a NO-CODE Tech, it seems rather simple to me.

This NO-CODE Tech says:
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[KI4OEE]

I have a question? I am a no code tech and I plan on upgrading but since the new order, does this mean i can get on the certain HF bands on all modes or just CW. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[n6ajr]

this is computer/ internet not ham radio

you don't need a license to operate on qrz
who cares what the spoiled children say.


read the valid posts and laugh at the flamers.

help a new ham or a new up graded ham, regardless of their cw status, and things will be ok

CW will still be here, it is a good mode. just the requirement for testing is dropped.

if you don't operat some cw, you give away about half of the band width you are authorized to use.

Most dx works primairly CW


remember there are a zillion modes between ssb and cw for instance, psk 31, psk63, hellschreiber, rtty, amtor, packet, ssTV, ATV, moon bounce, satalites, contesting, low power (qrp), boat anchors, ELF , extremely huigh frequency stuff ( the giga-hurts folks), am, fm, fsk, and so on. so find one you like and go play.

make CW a pride thing, besides being darn handy.

and BTW folks I operate primairly on SSB, and have probably only made 10 or 11 cw contacts this year, but I encourage folks to learn it because it is a great mode.

I remember the same doom and gloom when they started ssb, and again when they went to the 3 license system.

so good bad or indifferent, this is the new truth, and cw will be around for a long time, just not as a requirement for testing. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[n5na]

Quote[/b] (K6FTF @ Dec. 16 2006,14:32)]Quote[/b] (n3ox @ Dec. 16 2006,11:24)]Quote[/b] (kb1ist @ Dec. 16 2006,11:12)]what about technician's with no code that currently have completed the general theory but have not passed the code yet will they become generals automatically?
Yes, I think so. If that's you, congrats!
I passed the element 3 in Oct 2005, and didn't pass element 1 in the year. Given this new development, I wonder if I just need to bring in the proof that I passed, or do I need to pass it again?
Of course, no one knows for sure yet. I've seen speculation posted elsewhere and it makes sense.

If you have a CSCE for element 3 that has been issued within 365 days then you will probably need to go to a VE session with $14 and do a paper upgrade to General. If your CSCE is beyond the 365 day period then you're out of luck and will need to retake element 3.

[n5na]

Quote[/b] (KI4OEE @ Dec. 16 2006,16:02)]I have a question? I am a no code tech and I plan on upgrading but since the new order, does this mean i can get on the certain HF bands on all modes or just CW. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Once the Report & Order goes into effect you'll have privileges wherever there is a T or P on this chart. (http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/Hambands_color.pdf)

Basically, CW only on 80, 40, & 15. CW, RTTY, Data, and SSB on 10m.

[KC8YXA]

Its About Time

[W8ETS]

Now I can be a nocode extra.... Im so happy that stupid old code is finally put in a museum lol My Webpage (http://www.hamdxing.com) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif My CB site (http://cbdxing.com)

[k5adf]

The FCC has finally moved on the proposal to eliminate the code requirement. It has been in the works for well over a year now. Comments to the rule proposal have been collected and weighed by the FCC. Therefore it should not come as a surprise to anyone. Several other countries such as Canada and UK have already eliminated the code requirement. The commercial world has discontinued all use of code. This is the era of digital communications. Digital communication will get through when code will not and it will do it without error. Therefore digital has become the best solution. Several southern state ARES are setting up D-STAR networks in preparation for the next emergency.

Code will not die in the amateur world. There will still be hams using it just as they still use RTTY and AM.

The rules will not go into effect until they are published in the Federal Register and 30 days have passed. The FCC does have the power to order it to take effect before then if it wishes. This probably will not happen.

Incidentally, if you want to really hear the "lids" in action, tune in to the 75M SSB signals any night. But then I forgot that these are our older hams with advanced and extra licenses!

Those who refuse to advance with technology will be left behind.

[k6jjg]

Quote[/b] (wc5b @ Dec. 16 2006,08:51)]Wow, no comments?? Well, its about time for it. I'm tired of the debate, arguments, name calling, and feelings getting hurt. Its time to get it over with and move on. Hope to see you on HF really soon. And for all the Techs, I will keep an ear open on 28.400 more often. Lets roll!
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I am a tech licensee who has passed the written General exam and have been working on the Morse requirements. After all the bellyaching I've been hearing, I was beginning to think I should feel bad for all the existing General Licensees because my license might be upgraded if this all goes through and becomes a reality.

I enjoy this hobby and hope to keep learning it as time goes on. I'm also thankful that it seems I'll be able to use the HF bands soon. I hope I don't get "shunned" on the bands just because I didn't take the morse test, .........yet.

[ke7gkj]

Quote[/b] (w4cbj @ Dec. 16 2006,13:32)]This is a terrible development. Without a code-no code dilemma, what in the world are we going to talk about ? # 73 # Joe #W4CBJ
Now you have to appreciate this guys logical humor lol!!!

[kf4bog]

Greeting's Everyone, As i tech with that did do the 5wpm code before they droped it. Being a person with special need's the book test was easy because i had my dad who is a ham put it on tape for me . I learn thing by ear . When i got word the code was drop i though Wow . This will help more person's with special need's into the world of ham radio . Being a special ed student with a ham radio licence was fun because i could show them what it is like . I miss my high school day alot . But to end this i got my first ham ticket in 1995 as a no-code then in 1996 upgraded to tech Plus. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif . So help that special someone today by teaching him or her the world of ham radio http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[W8ETS]

Quote[/b] (ke7gkj @ Dec. 16 2006,14:39)]Quote[/b] (w4cbj @ Dec. 16 2006,13:32)]This is a terrible development. Without a code-no code dilemma, what in the world are we going to talk about ? # 73 # Joe #W4CBJ
Now you have to appreciate this guys logical humor lol!!!
75m is going to be smoking tonite ......

[KC7YM]

Looks like ARRL has sold us down the river. How many of you are going to keep sending them your $$$$. I can't see where they are doing any good at all.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[k9mhz]

Guys, guys, guys........... if you really can't keep yourself from having some excitement in your life by staying PO'd about something, how about this....

Far and away, a much bigger threat to our hobby than any perceived issue with removing CW from licensing is the BPL issue.

This issue will have a huge impact on the amateur service, making the CW licensing issue look very small.

Put your energies in the BPL fight, rather than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic with this idiotic CW non-issue.

The CBers are NOT coming, but BPL just might.

Best to all,

Brad
N6KYS

[K4QGB]

I just earned my General class last month with code - glad I did.

[KC7YM]

Quote[/b] (k5adf @ Dec. 16 2006,14:26)]The FCC has finally moved on the proposal to eliminate the code requirement. It has been in the works for well over a year now. Comments to the rule proposal have been collected and weighed by the FCC. Therefore it should not come as a surprise to anyone. Several other countries such as Canada and UK have already eliminated the code requirement. The commercial world has discontinued all use of code. This is the era of digital communications. Digital communication will get through when code will not and it will do it without error. Therefore digital has become the best solution. Several southern state ARES are setting up D-STAR networks in preparation for the next emergency.

Code will not die in the amateur world. There will still be hams using it just as they still use RTTY and AM.

The rules will not go into effect until they are published in the Federal Register and 30 days have passed. The FCC does have the power to order it to take effect before then if it wishes. This probably will not happen.

Incidentally, if you want to really hear the "lids" in action, tune in to the 75M SSB signals any night. But then I forgot that these are our older hams with advanced and extra licenses!

Those who refuse to advance with technology will be left behind.
I'm an ADVANCED (31 years now) and not a lid. If you really want to hear "cb'er" talk, listen on a repeater.. That's a preview of what's to come on HF bands sorry to say...
Long live CW..
" CW operators do it with their fingers "

[w6em]

This, folks, is one of those famous "government smoke screens."

Did the ARRL ask in their Petition for the elimination of the CW requirement?

Nope. Don't blame this even on the ARRL.

Frankly, the FCC, in my opinion, did this to *silence* the controversy on what the ARRL DID ask for: A whole lot of spectrum for Pactor III digibots.

Why? Because the FCC SCREWED UP ROYALLY by issuing the "Erratum" to allow the continuance of wide bandwidth digital modes such as PacTOR III on the HF bands.

I won't go into it any more here, but , suffice it say that there were two other Petitions for Reconsideration that have not been acted upon yet. And, again, NONE, including the ARRL's, had anything to do with the elimination of the Morse Code 5 WPM requirement.

The FCC just did this to cover up the HF wideband digital conspiracy.

73,

[n3jbh]

what was this thing for #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[ac3p]

Quote[/b] ]what about technician's with no code that currently have completed the general theory but have not passed the code yet will they become generals automatically?

I doubt it.

Possession of a CSCE does not mean that the FCC knows you have passed an exam. The VE groups do not send that information to the FCC unless an actual license upgrade has been attained.

For instance, under the current rules a Tech passing the General who has not completed the code test has not met all the requirements for a license upgrade. Therefore, that application is not forwarded to the FCC since there is no transaction to take place.

If you have a CSCE for General you would have to return to a test session and file a 605 form requesting the upgrade with the CSCE as proof of passing the General test.

This is what was done in 2000 when the old Tech's were grandfathered to general. They had to show proof of holding an old Tech (Pre-1982) license to get the General privledges.

[ke7gkj]

Quote[/b] (n6kys @ Dec. 16 2006,14:53)]Guys, guys, guys........... if you really can't keep yourself from having some excitement in your life by staying PO'd about something, how about this....

Far and away, a much bigger threat to our hobby than any perceived issue with removing CW from licensing is the BPL issue.

This issue will have a huge impact on the amateur service, making the CW licensing issue look very small.

Put your energies in the BPL fight, rather than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic with this idiotic CW non-issue.

The CBers are NOT coming, but BPL just might.

Best to all,

Brad
N6KYS
I couldn't agree more. whats done is done. no amount of complaining about this is going to build a time machine...lets focus on the bpl issue

[K8MHZ]

Quote[/b] (n3jbh @ Dec. 16 2006,10:12)]what was this thing for #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Give it to me and I will let you know when I figure it out!

[K8MHZ]

I just took (and passed) my extra written today. #In the same room CW testing was taking place.

Did I just witness the last of the code tests?

[wc5b]

Quote[/b] (k6jjg @ Dec. 16 2006,14:36)]Quote[/b] (wc5b @ Dec. 16 2006,08:51)]Wow, no comments?? Well, its about time for it. I'm tired of the debate, arguments, name calling, and feelings getting hurt. Its time to get it over with and move on. Hope to see you on HF really soon. And for all the Techs, I will keep an ear open on 28.400 more often. Lets roll!
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I am a tech licensee who has passed the written General exam and have been working on the Morse requirements. After all the bellyaching I've been hearing, I was beginning to think I should feel bad for all the existing General Licensees because my license might be upgraded if this all goes through and becomes a reality.

I enjoy this hobby and hope to keep learning it as time goes on. I'm also thankful that it seems I'll be able to use the HF bands soon. I hope I don't get "shunned" on the bands just because I didn't take the morse test, .........yet.
Once your on, nobody gives a care. Just operate with ethics just like on any other band. Only online do you get the whining. Don't let it discourage you.

[wa2sam]

Quote[/b] (n3ox @ Dec. 16 2006,10:09)]Paul, I read arrl.org directly as of this morning... they revised it on their site.

No-Code Techs will have HF privileges on 80,40,15, and 10 when the R&O goes into effect, general-level CW only on 80,40,15, general-level CW&DATA and .300-.500 Voice on 10m

Dan
While I am excited about being able to use those portions of the HF spectrum, i'm still going to use learn and use code.

[wc5b]

Quote[/b] (w6em @ Dec. 16 2006,15:04)]This, folks, is one of those famous "government smoke screens."

Did the ARRL ask in their Petition for the elimination of the CW requirement?

Nope. Don't blame this even on the ARRL.

Frankly, the FCC, in my opinion, did this to *silence* the controversy on what the ARRL DID ask for: A whole lot of spectrum for Pactor III digibots.

Why? Because the FCC SCREWED UP ROYALLY by issuing the "Erratum" to allow the continuance of wide bandwidth digital modes such as PacTOR III on the HF bands.

I won't go into it any more here, but , suffice it say that there were two other Petitions for Reconsideration that have not been acted upon yet. And, again, NONE, including the ARRL's, had anything to do with the elimination of the Morse Code 5 WPM requirement.

The FCC just did this to cover up the HF wideband digital conspiracy.

73,
This is so true! Do your research before your rants fellas. I have seen dozens of no-coders post at various pages saying blame it on the ARRL! LOL They filed a petition to stop this and retain it! Your biting the only hand thats feeding you. ROFL. HAHA

[n3ox]

Quote[/b] (wa2sam @ Dec. 16 2006,15:28)]While I am excited about being able to use those portions of the HF spectrum, i'm still going to use learn and use code.
Well, 80,40, and 15 are still going to be CW-only for Technicians... I think it's a clever move by the FCC... give the entry level license lots of nice CW privileges, but don't require them to get code to move up.

It's a good incentive to learn code to have big swaths of HF where you can use CW but nothing else until you upgrade.

10m is CW/DATA/SSB but the other three are purely CW only..

I wonder if they lifted the power restrictions on Novice/Tech when they refarmed... I don't remember seeing anything ... N/T subbands were 200W maximum, but maybe not anymore.

[ke4jp]

HAM radio is evolving. Code had it's day. It was reliable it got through when conditions were tough and it still does and it will in the future. But it is a model T. I didn't see anything that forbids it's use, you CAN still use it if YOU want to. It's time for the new methods of being heard to be supported and just maybe developed even more to their fullest potential. Isn't that what we did over a 100 years ago, research and design. Advance or technology and equipment etc. Just because some don't know code does not mean they are illiterate and don't have fundamental and devloping knowledge of electronics. Maybe, some of them will see the door opening and may add to the pool of researchers to develope our hobby even more.

I am an extra class, have been a HAM for 25+ years, know my code (30 wpm) and loved using it for years. But I don't and haven't used it in a while. But the doctor says I am getting along just fine. I do use the phone bands and I really haven't heard anyone complain that I was crowding the bands by moving up there. I have more of a problem with the General Class op who memorized the questions for the electronics knowledge portion of the test but yet doesn't understand AB amplifiers or deviation on his FM signal than the one who doesn't know code. There are many out there who are electronic guru's that may or may not want to learn code. But those that don't want to know code can contribute to this hobby in means other than dit and dahs over the air waves. Life (daily life) is NOT the same as it was years ago, time is not as plentiful as it was. More time for family or learn code, yah I know just 15 minutes a day is all ya need, I'm giving that time to that 'daddy, I'm confused, help me with my homework'. Or lets throw the ball.....fun with other life forms........

Eventually over time the newness will wear off and those who really want to stay and operate according to the norms of HAM society will out number those that don't.

To all you techs out there I'll be listening for you on HF even if you don't know dit from dah.

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[kg6cek]

I for one am glad it's over. Let's get on with it and welcome all to the HF experience. It's just in time for the new sunspot cycle. Let's rock and roll!

[kb9mwr]

And for those of us who are more excited about experimentation, than rag chewing perhaps they could start considering the Request To Change to Ease Spread Spectrum Operation (http://www2.arrl.org/news/stories/2006/03/20/100/?nc=1)?

That would make me much happier than an automatic upgrade.

[KI4MSA]

Quote[/b] (KC7YM @ Dec. 15 2006,17:00)]Quote[/b] (,Dec. 16 2006 @ 14:26)]
I'm an ADVANCED (31 years now) and not a lid. If you really want to hear "cb'er" talk, listen on a #repeater.. That's a preview of what's to come on HF bands sorry to say...
# # # # # # # # # # # #
I'd like to know what city your repeater is in. #Our local repeaters for Greenville, SC have both courteous, and knowlegeable Amateur Radio Operators, many of which are NO-CODE Technicians.

I have never heard the type of trash talk on our Repeater like what you can find daily on the HF bands.

If YOU are letting that type of trash happen on your local Repeaters, then SHAME ON YOU! #The FCC can't police everything all the time. #YOU have to help them to do so.

This NO-CODE Technician says:
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[N8TW]

Haven't read all the posts, but I would think that any CSCE
would only be good for 1 year from issue, so that when the FCC
action takes effect, then a person holding the CSCE would
have to visit a testing session and apply for an upgrade
within the specified year. After the year is up from the issue
date of the CSCE, then the test would have to be passed
again.
Should be busy at testing sessions giving General and
Extra theory tests.

[W9GRN]

Quote[/b] (W8ETS @ Dec. 16 2006,14:16)]Now I can be a nocode extra.... Im so happy that stupid old code is finally put in a museum lol My Webpage (http://www.hamdxing.com) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif My CB site (http://cbdxing.com)
I like the avatar in your post.It rocks! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[ka8gcq]

Hi all its been along time comming I dont totaly agree but, I agree with n0xas we need to be there to help out the newer hams maybe get some new cw guys.tests or not

[n2pet]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH/ WAAAAAAHHHHHH/ Better call a Whambulance. Get over it!! Life is too short for whining about this subject. Merry Christmas/ Happy Hannukah/ Happy Kwansa. Good health to all in 07' and beyond! Most of all just enjoy the HOBBY.

[KI4OEE]

Quote[/b] (n5na @ Dec. 16 2006,14:11)]Quote[/b] (KI4OEE @ Dec. 16 2006,16:02)]I have a question? I am a no code tech and I plan on upgrading but since the new order, does this mean i can get on the certain HF bands on all modes or just CW. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Once the Report & Order goes into effect you'll have privileges wherever there is a T or P on this chart. (http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/Hambands_color.pdf)

Basically, CW only on 80, 40, & 15. #CW, RTTY, Data, and SSB on 10m.
Thanks for the clarification.

[KC8ZON]

i say we take a world wide patition to bring back code as a requirment ?? how would that be

[w7why]

H'mmm, I wonder how big the ham radio manufacturer's lobby is. This is sure going to be good for them.

[ac3p]

Quote[/b] ] Most of all just enjoy the HOBBY.

Especially on Straight Key Night.

[KB1SF]

Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Dec. 16 2006,11:49)]The NCT CB'ers have finally gotten their way. #The dumbing down of Amateur Radio continues...

I hope Samuel F. B. Morse is turning over in his grave!


To the contrary, I fully expect Mr. Morse is looking down on all of us and smiling because his "Code" will now be learned in the Amateur Service by people who actually WANT to learn it, not because it's still part of a stupid government "requirement" somewhere.

And, unfortunately, like far too many others posting here, it appears you are STILL looking to the FCC's incentive licensing and Morse testing foolishness as your last great hope to keep the dreaded "CB riff-raff" out of Amateur Radio. #

That is, rather than looking at the FCC's tests for the Amateur Service as a series of "learners permits" designed to allow otherwise qualified newcomers INTO our hobby to learn and grow, you and your Luddite compatriots still want everyone to complete a series of ever-more-irrelevant "hazing rituals" like Morse tests and obscure written "achievement tests" over material that few, if any of us will ever need or use, all to keep everyone but "your kind" OUT. #

If you don’t like the way Ham Radio is now evolving, I suggest you write your Congressman, write the FCC to complain, or run for office in the League. #

Or, as an absolute last resort, you can sell your radios and find another exclusive "Country Club" to join...one that will allow you to perpetuate your clearly obvious snobbery in a private setting, rather than in a government-administered radio service funded by public tax dollars.

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF

[KE9KW]

As I see it Dec 15 is a black day for amateur radio with the loss of the code test. The FCC did a great disservice to this great hobby. The next thing it will be back to CB radio.

[kb2wye]

It's a done deal...

[WB9USA]

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[k7dlb]

I for one have been struggling with code for quite some time. I have my General CSC and code was killing me....I am dyslexic and a brutal work schedule really made me think I would watch my CSC expire(May) before I could pass code. I still intend to learn it, but with less pressure and urgency. I think I'll be better for it. After all, as stated in other replies, the phone bands are probably going to pile up and the code segments will be the place to go for peace and quiet!!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KI4MSA]

Quote[/b] (WB9USA @ Dec. 15 2006,18:47)]--. #--- #--- #-.. # # .-. #.. #-.. #-.. #.- #-. #-.-. #.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Well spoken :o)

For those that that don't know code, he said:

Good Riddance

This NO-CODE Technician says:
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[kj3n]

Quote[/b] (n5na @ Dec. 16 2006,16:05)]Quote[/b] (K6FTF @ Dec. 16 2006,14:32)]Quote[/b] (n3ox @ Dec. 16 2006,11:24)]Quote[/b] (kb1ist @ Dec. 16 2006,11:12)]what about technician's with no code that currently have completed the general theory but have not passed the code yet will they become generals automatically?
Yes, I think so. If that's you, congrats!
I passed the element 3 in Oct 2005, and didn't pass element 1 in the year. Given this new development, I wonder if I just need to bring in the proof that I passed, or do I need to pass it again?
Of course, no one knows for sure yet. I've seen speculation posted elsewhere and it makes sense.
How can you say that? His CSCE was dated 10/2005. That's over a year ago. He has to retest, period.

I'm constantly amazed at the lack of rules knowledge and mis-information that goes on here.

[k3jdp]

I wonder how long it will be before we start hearing 10-4 good buddy on the HF bands?

[k5wpn]

[B] http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif the wicked old witch is dead

[KF6VYH]

Quote[/b] (w4mja @ Dec. 16 2006,09:59)]Well I guess this will put alot on manufactures who only make code learning products out of business. Sure you will have a few people who learn code and use it, but for the most part, there are going to be tons more people to add to the pile ups on HF bands. Too bad they could not keep the code for extra.
If they did not see this happening, well that is their problem. Ha!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kc5bye]

Once again you hear the cries of the doom and gloomers. Give me a break! Who really believes that there is going to be a flood of used gear on the market???
Once the smoke clears. The code guys will be tapping away, the PSK and RTTY crew will be having our usual fun, the SSTV guys will be sending their pictures and the SSB guys will be chatting away. We will get new people in the hobby because they want to study and be on the air. The ones who found code as a restriction will be able to either move up the ranks or join the hobby.
I will be glad to talk with them in any mode and welcome them to our hobby.

[KF6VYH]

Quote[/b] (KE9KW @ Dec. 16 2006,16:33)]As I see it Dec 15 is a black day for amateur radio with the loss of the code test. The FCC did a great disservice to this great hobby. The next thing it will be back to CB radio.
May some of the HF Cry Babies aka-CBers need one of these

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (W0FS @ Dec. 15 2006,14:50)]When you say "nobody lost" i beg to differ. The 80 meter general class CW operator lost 150 khz, from 3600 to 3750. When the cw ops are jammed into 100 khz with the digital signals and 25 khz of that is extra only, it will be a real zoo, especially during cw contests. A lot of contesters have no regard for a frequency being in use.
It would seem if we have spectrum to throw away to make more room for signals that hog 10 khz of the phone band each, there should have been a little more left for the cw and digital ops.
73, Clay WØFS
Allot of contesters have no regard for a frequency being in use How can this be ?? They learned CW they passed the lid filter. I thought there was no such thing as a CW op being a lid ???? So CW ops are not god's gift to ham radio??

[k5wpn]

[B] http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif be we hear 10-4 good bubby we it may be while but it would beat the nasty mouths that the older cw use now

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (af2z @ Dec. 15 2006,15:30)]Quote[/b] (K1MVP @ Dec. 16 2006,11:49)]P.S.,--of course CW ops can still "legally operate" in
the phone bands, if "push comes to shove" --
forget about qrp, and go "QRO CW", hmmm
QRO? If push comes to shove how about switching mode to SSB, hook up the sidetone to the mic terminals and key it & the PTT with your J38 or bug? That should give a nice fat "CW" signal! With full break-in! Might cut through the QRM pretty well, too.

Like they say, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em...

73,
AF2Z
That’s a mature attitude. You sound like a spoiled brat, don't get your way so your going to be a ass and try to waste as much spectrum as you can and just a all around LID.

[k5wpn]

:0 and they only way it would turned to "cbers" if us hams quite policeing ourself and I sure dont see that happening any time soon!

[W0JBC]

Let's see .... For all of the people who have been standing in line for their free hot dog ... What new line is in the future http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif It is the American way ... whine and then get sumpin for free ...

How about a waiver to get someone to erect your antenna , install your ( free ) radio, provide a person to show you how to operate said radio ?

Oh, I forgot , get a free utility ( electric ) monthly credit for operation expenses ??

Sounds good to me ...

I'm in line !!

( just a bit of sarcasm )

JB

[w6em]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ Dec. 15 2006,19:46)]Quote[/b] (af2z @ Dec. 15 2006,15:30)]Quote[/b] (K1MVP @ Dec. 16 2006,11:49)]P.S.,--of course CW ops can still "legally operate" in
# # # # the phone bands, if "push comes to shove" --
# # # # forget about qrp, and go "QRO CW", hmmm
QRO? If push comes to shove how about switching mode to SSB, hook up the sidetone to the mic terminals and key it & the PTT with your J38 or bug? That should give a nice fat "CW" signal! With full break-in! Might cut through the QRM pretty well, too.

Like they say, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em...

73,
AF2Z
That’s a mature attitude. You sound like a spoiled brat, don't get your way so your going to be a ass and try to waste as much spectrum as you can and just a all around LID.
Why not buy a Pactor III modem? Blasts away at least 3kHz, and the best part, you can say: "I had the thing set up on PMBO, so I guess it must have just kept trying to connect to someone."

Innocent (of wilfull interference) by ignorance.......

All hail to the HUGE ARRL victory. PacTOR III (and next generations) everywhere!!

You ought to do that, FOG. You could check your email while you're out on the beat. No code required. Just plug and play.

73,

[WA3KYY]

Quote[/b] (kb1ist @ Dec. 16 2006,13:12)]what about technician's with no code that currently have completed the general theory but have not passed the code yet will they become generals automatically?
No, not automatic as in the FCC sending you the license. They know nothing of you having passed Element 3. Only the VEC you took the exam through and you know you have passed.

Once the R&O goes into effect, you will need to file with a VEC for an upgrade and present your certificate of completion for Element 3. They will then submit the paperwork to the FCC. You will be able to use your new privleges immediately after submitting the paperwork and will sign KB1IST/AG until your upgrade appears on the FCC website.

Only if your one year grace period has expired will you need to retest.

73,
Mike WA3KYY

[kd6wky]

It's unfortunate. The dumbing down of amateur radio continues.

[kr4wm]

I asked for some new radio stuff for Christmas. Instead, the FCC chose to put a flaming bag of dog poop on my doorstep, ring the doorbell, and run!!! JEEEEEZZZZ!!!! -KR4WM

[k5mke]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif Hmmmmmmm,

Let's see.... Icom 706MkII-G transceiver, Heathkit SB-220 amplifier,
J-38 key, 40 meter full-wave loop.... Yep, I can do CW.

Respectfully submitted,
73,

Buck/K5-MKE

Joyeux Noel et Bonn Annee de Moi du Luizanne! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (kb1sf @ Dec. 16 2006,18:25)]To the contrary, I fully expect Mr. Morse is looking down on all of us and smiling because his "Code" will now be learned in the Amateur Service by people who actually WANT to learn it, not because it's still part of a stupid government "requirement" somewhere.
That makes no sense.

People who wanted to genuinely learn code learned it anyway.

Others who simply wanted to get on HF (or get a license at all) learned it, and some grew to like it.

I suspect Mr. Morse is turning over his grave (I've been there, it's in Greenwood cemetary in Brooklyn!) because of all of the hate I've seen in this thread and others towards the morse code. I've even heard some of it on air today... Sad.

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Dec. 16 2006,17:34)]I suspect Mr. Morse is turning over his grave (I've been there, it's in Greenwood cemetary in Brooklyn!) because of all of the hate I've seen in this thread and others towards the morse code. I've even heard some of it on air today... Sad.
I'm sure all the hate towards no-coders is helping him turn.

Actually, there's a lot more of that present in the last day's postings than of the other. Amazing amount of bile being spilled by people who have nothing to be angry about.

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ Dec. 16 2006,19:46)]Quote[/b] (af2z @ Dec. 15 2006,15:30)]Quote[/b] (K1MVP @ Dec. 16 2006,11:49)]P.S.,--of course CW ops can still "legally operate" in
the phone bands, if "push comes to shove" --
forget about qrp, and go "QRO CW", hmmm
QRO? If push comes to shove how about switching mode to SSB, hook up the sidetone to the mic terminals and key it & the PTT with your J38 or bug? That should give a nice fat "CW" signal! With full break-in! Might cut through the QRM pretty well, too.

Like they say, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em...

73,
AF2Z
That’s a mature attitude. You sound like a spoiled brat, don't get your way so your going to be a ass and try to waste as much spectrum as you can and just a all around LID.
I could say the same for the SSB/AM audiophile guys who are 3+ kC's wide, when all they really need to communicate is 1.8 kC's or less.

What a bunch of lids polluting the spectrum with their extra-wide signals!

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 16 2006,20:36)]Quote[/b] (AB2MH @ Dec. 16 2006,17:34)]I suspect Mr. Morse is turning over his grave (I've been there, it's in Greenwood cemetary in Brooklyn!) because of all of the hate I've seen in this thread and others towards the morse code. I've even heard some of it on air today... Sad.
I'm sure all the hate towards no-coders is helping him turn.

Actually, there's a lot more of that present in the last day's postings than of the other. Amazing amount of bile being spilled by people who have nothing to be angry about.
I really don't hate no-coders, unless they post annoying things (like some here like to do). And I hate the actions, not the people.

But with