ARRL Bulletin on Morse Code Elimination

[n0nwo]

I've been wondering what we could argue about now that code is gone, and here it is...

Quote[/b] ]In this unprecedented move the FCC believes this will not hurt amateur radio but
allow all individuals to receive an amateur radio license without having to
demonstrate any skills with the exception of being able to use a pair of scissors
to cut out their operating permit from the breakfast cereal box.


The great boxtop bebate begins. Why do we have to use scissors and cut on the dotted lines. Cant we just rip it off? What if I am not string enough to open the stinkin' box? What if I can't afford corn flakes, can I get a box at food shelf? Why do we need those stinkin' boxtops anyway?

It ain't fair I tell ya, it just ain't fair!!! It's too hard http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Minton

[W4TDX]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif #I would bet that Yaesu, Kenwood and Icom are quite happy about the FCC dropping the code requirement. #More radios sold, more dollars made...

Bet they fly around in black helicopters...

[kd5sdi]

Quote[/b] (n0nwo @ Dec. 18 2006,20:02)]I've been wondering what we could argue about now that code is gone, and here it is...
How about maybe we don't argue about anything? Maybe we should just talk to each other and enjoy the bands. Hmm?

[ab9ba]

I passed both my tests, tech and general mid-May, but never pursued the code, does anyone think there is any chance the order finalization could take that long? #Thanx, Dave[B]

[n1dvj]

Quote[/b] (w9ord @ Dec. 18 2006,17:17)]I passed both my tests, tech and general mid-May, but never pursued the code, does anyone think there is any chance the order finalization could take that long? #Thanx, Dave[B]
I would guess it will take less than 15 days to have the change formally posted. So, with the required 30 days after posting, I would suspect the first week of Febuary. I would REAL surprised if it took the whole 15 days. I'll lay odds it's posted later this week.

Mike

[KD8CCX]

Let's just say for arguements sake that the FCC decided that everyone who would like to get (or keep) their general/extra is going to have to pass a digital test. A portion of the testing dedicated only to digital. As a HAM who is interested in this mode, I would welcome the requirement.

I am a technician, and I am learning the code. I was not learning it because of the requirement. In fact, after listening to everyone who harbors themselves in the HF bands, I am even less likely to want to frequent there. I have had a few Elmers tell me they don't go up on HF much because of the vulger and rude people there, and now I see why. I am learning the code because it is a tradition that goes along with an amazing hobby.

For a bunch of intelligent and technical people, we sure do seem to see doom and gloom in a change that is going to be good for the hobby. Hopefully, we will all learn to get along and bring new amateurs into the hobby.

73's
KD8CCX
Adam

[ab9ba]

Quote[/b] (n1dvj @ Dec. 18 2006,17:20)]Quote[/b] (w9ord @ Dec. 18 2006,17:17)]I passed both my tests, tech and general mid-May, but never pursued the code, does anyone think there is any chance the order finalization could take that long? #Thanx, Dave[B]
I would guess it will take less than 15 days to have the change formally posted. #So, with the required 30 days after posting, I would suspect the first week of Febuary. #I would REAL surprised if it took the whole 15 days. #I'll lay odds it's posted later this week.

Mike
Thanx Mike!

[KB1SF]

It would seem that while all the crusty, Morse-testing-forever curmudgeons have been breathlessly predicting the end of Morse on our bands (if not the end of Amateur Radio itself), it would seem the FCC, by its actions, has done just the oppose.

That is, once the changes are in effect, ALL Technician licensees -- whether or not they have passed a Morse code examination -- will have "Tech Plus" operating privileges.

This means "no code" Tech will have all of their current VHF/UHF and above frequencies and also will have access to the Novice/Technician Plus frequencies on HF, with a power limit of 200W PEP for Technician operators. These frequencies include:

3525-3600 kHz CW only
7025-7125 kHz CW only
21,025-21,200 kHz CW only
28,000-28,300 kHz CW, RTTY and Data
28,300-28,500 kHz CW, SSB

Translation: #In order to have access to all these "new" HF frequencies, no-code Techs are now GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN MORSE!

Isn't that what "incentive licensing" was supposed to be all about?

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF

[kc8ycz]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Dec. 18 2006,13:14)]Quote[/b] (w8rxx @ Dec. 18 2006,10:01)]I guess there is no longer a reason to belong to ARRL as they have no input with the FCC. Why pay the dues to an organization that dropped the ball? I can't imagine no code for even the Extra class. Come on, 5 WPM everyone can do, if they have the desire. Why not do away with testing all togther? Think of the paperwork it would save.

73,

W8RXX
same old crapola. If you favor the FCC decision on Morse you also:
want ALL testing to stop
want to say 10-4 on all the phone bands
want to rob your local bank
want to rape all the babies in your neighborhood
want to find Osama Bin Laden and kiss him
etc, etc, etc.
Thats just wrong, why would you even say something like that. And to think you are an amateur radio operator.

[kc8ycz]

Quote[/b] (N5AQ @ Dec. 18 2006,16:43)]I just received this email - is there any truth to it?

Washington D.C.-

It was announced today that Kellogg's and the Federal Communications Commission
have signed a pact to issue Amateur Radio Licenses on specially marked boxes of
Corn Flakes.

In this unprecedented move the FCC believes this will not hurt amateur radio but
allow all individuals to receive an amateur radio license without having to
demonstrate any skills with the exception of being able to use a pair of scissors
to cut out their operating permit from the breakfast cereal box.

Kellogg's spokesperson commented that they were proud to have been selected by the
government to be the issuer of licenses for amateur radio in the US and hope to
soon make an agreement with other cereal loving countries. They also expect that
will be issuing certificates of achievement for DXCF for confirmed contacts with
100 corn flakers.

I think this is just great! Now we can talk to all the CB operators and get a little spice into our otherwise dull conversations. Maybe next we could combine the Ham radio license with social security cards and that would make it even better. I don't see how this could hurt amateur radio at all. All you CW operators just get a life!
I heard that Cracker Jacks was going to give them as the new prize.

[n6kzb]

Quote[/b] (dl6maa @ Dec. 18 2006,15:40)]Quote[/b] (w6em @ Dec. 18 2006,15:05)]
Quote[/b] ]
W6EM:
I'm not spreading lies, only trying to call attention to the multitudes who keep claiming that PacTOR III, aka 2K80J2D, is a narrow bandwidth digital mode. #IT IS NOT.
2.8kHz is NOT narrow bandwidth.

I quit the case. Discussing with a guy who still claims that P3 had a bandwidth of 2.8 kHz - after all detailed information I gave - is really a waste of time. You are not interested in facts but only in your cheap propaganda.

Peter, DL6MAA
Peter, let it go, you can never provide facts to him, and have them accepted.

He is only interested in pontificating and ensuring he has the last word.
Facts only work on one who is willing to listen with an open mind.

He can “file” all day long; his credibility and inaccuracy will cause much laughter.

There are thousand of us who appreciate the fine effort you have done to advance
digital communications in amateur radio. The countless emergency messages sent,
and the feeling of comfort to many who depend on your protocol.

Continue the fine work, and with Pactor 3 back where it needs to be, thanks to recent rulings, it matters little what he does.

Adios and Merry Christmas.


http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[K1MVP]

Quote[/b] (kd5sdi @ Dec. 18 2006,17:02)]Just the day I was hoping to see, now I can get on the bands and learn code because I want to not because I have to before I can even try to get on the bands.
Will someone "explain" something to me?--I must be
"missing something" here.

If all the NCT`s, NCG`s and NCE`s are going to have
"cw privleges" down in the CW portion,--just how would
this work?--If they do not even know any cw, just how
are they going to "converse" with each other?

This ought to be quite a "site to behold",--It would be
like attempting to speak French in France, without
even a basic understanding of French,--again a "site to
behold".
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # 73, K1MVP

[KD8CCX]

Quote[/b] (kc8ycz @ Dec. 18 2006,17:34)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Dec. 18 2006,13:14)]Quote[/b] (w8rxx @ Dec. 18 2006,10:01)]I guess there is no longer a reason to belong to ARRL as they have no input with the FCC. Why pay the dues to an organization that dropped the ball? I can't imagine no code for even the Extra class. Come on, 5 WPM everyone can do, if they have the desire. Why not do away with testing all togther? #Think of the paperwork it would save.

73,

W8RXX
same old crapola. If you favor the FCC decision on Morse you also:
# # #want ALL testing to stop
# # #want to say 10-4 on all the phone bands
# # #want to rob your local bank
# # #want to rape all the babies in your neighborhood
# # #want to find Osama Bin Laden and kiss him
# # # etc, etc, etc.
Thats just wrong, why would you even say something like that. #And to think you are an amateur radio operator.
I completely agree Reggie... I have been shocked at the poor behavior and vulger language from those who fear that the HF bands are going to go to the CBer's... From what I am seeing, 11 meters is probably a lot cleaner than 40 meters.

73's
KD8CCX
Adam

[kf6nbf]

Everyone seems to be missing the big limiting factor. A Tech will only be able to use phone on 10 meters. That's it. Sure they're now allowed to use CW on other bands, but it they can do that, they may as well take the test.

[k8uv]

I am a W5YI and ARRL VE. #I guess I can forget about CW testing? #I imagine the General and Extra exam's will be heating up soon? #You cannot imagine how excited we VE's got when someone passed a code test. #You could see them beam from top to bottom, always without exception. #As a young man taking my novice test and the 5wpm exam, I don't even remember waklking home...I think I skipped the whole way. #Oh well, time changes everything and I still will be there to help with the testing and encourage the new hams. #Our club still calls the beginner ham a Novice. #Novice class anyone? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KC8VWM]

Quote[/b] (K1MVP @ Dec. 18 2006,18:01)]If all the NCT`s, NCG`s and NCE`s are going to have
"cw privleges" down in the CW portion,--just how would
this work?--If they do not even know any cw, just how
are they going to "converse" with each other?

This ought to be quite a "site to behold",--It would be
like attempting to speak French in France, without
even a basic understanding of French,--again a "site to
behold".
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # 73, K1MVP
This is commonly called being thrown into the deep end so you can learn to swim.

I have no problem with that concept whatsoever.

They should have done that years ago so more techs had a "real" place to practice and use CW with others?

Let's face it. The VHF bands was just not the place to learn, practice and use CW to any significant extent. It was a rare exception.

So we eventually adapted other ways to learn this without involving any RF at all but let me ask you this,

How is learning CW using software, the internet and your PC somehow equated to the idea of learning and using CW on amateur radio?

Did you use software on a PC to learn to drive your car?

Improving your CW skills should be done on the bands with other people using amateur radio frequencies. That's the way it was originally intended before they eliminated the Novice license.

After all, learning French is much better by simply just travelling to France and by immersing yourself in it's culture.

73

[n0zoa]

Quote[/b] (kb1sf @ Dec. 18 2006,17:25)]It would seem that while all the crusty, Morse-testing-forever curmudgeons have been breathlessly predicting the end of Morse on our bands (if not the end of Amateur Radio itself), it would seem the FCC, by its actions, has done just the oppose.

That is, once the changes are in effect, ALL Technician licensees -- whether or not they have passed a Morse code examination -- will have "Tech Plus" operating privileges.

This means "no code" Tech will have all of their current VHF/UHF and above frequencies and also will have access to the Novice/Technician Plus frequencies on HF, with a power limit of 200W PEP for Technician operators. These frequencies include:

3525-3600 kHz CW only
7025-7125 kHz CW only
21,025-21,200 kHz CW only
28,000-28,300 kHz CW, RTTY and Data
28,300-28,500 kHz CW, SSB

Translation: #In order to have access to all these "new" HF frequencies, no-code Techs are now GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN MORSE!

Isn't that what "incentive licensing" was supposed to be all about?

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
you sir are wrong all we have to do is go pass the extra written and we can operate anywhere or whatever mode we choose without even listening to a dit or a dah. i for one am going to practice my code on those bands we can be on anyway and no one can say that i cant use those frequencies just because i am not proficient in cw. and meanwhile i am going to study for the extra test

[ww5rm]

Quote[/b] (KS4K @ Dec. 18 2006,04:12)]Well heres the thing I hate that the code is no longer part of at least the Extra exam. But the real problem started along time ago. Before I got on the 80m band I had a high opinion of all Hams. Then I heard the trash that every knows about. It all started I'm sure with the little words the H's and the D's then escalated to the other stuff. I'm embarassed to encourage my fellow hams to upgrade as it is. Or even worse when my Pastor would come over and ask about the hobby and want to see a demo. It was usually at night and I would either stay above 3900 or switch to 2 meters. It's even to the point you cant attend field day for the drunks and cussers. I know I know "I just drink a couple beers I dont get drunk" well I wouldnt want my child (when I have one) to see that. What kind of influence is that. People dont care anymore no matter what it is. Wonder how long it will be before somebody starts a Church where the preacher cusses from the pulpit, probably already out there after all some of them already play rock music. The other problem out there is the read and memorize crowd. You know I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to the hobby, but if a major event wiped out my house I could put the pieces back together and get back on the air and get help. Some (not all) of the new hams today when you QSO with them on 2 meters, if you start talking about ham radio they get quiet or it's a one sided conversation. Heres an idea, Gordon West has a excellent study book, but while your memorizing questions why dont you read the explanations and actually learn something. I made my first antenna out of a coat hanger. I also buy my coax and connectors seperate and put them together my self, seems like something simple that every ham should know but how many cant even do that. (not direceted at the blind or disabled) One more thing take pride in your call sign no matter what it is. Use it at least every 10min as required and dont say "for ID purposes". That is implied when you give it and it makes it sound like you wouldnt use it otherwise. Oh and heres one I use to be quilty of myself, it's 73 not 73's or best wishes not best wisheses.
The gates above are very narrow but the gates below are so very wide. What you speak of is the truth but the unbelievers don't want to hear the truth. They can't handle the truth and think it is all insane to worry about such minor things as what is right from wrong. You can see this in almost every post that is commenting on another post. But here is what I suggest we give Extra & Adavance class the same priviliages. Such as CW 7000-7100 Cw & Phone 7100-7300. Then CW 14,000-14,100 CW & Phone 14,100-14,350. Then CW 21,000-21,100 CW & Phone 21,100-21,450. And as for General give CW 7025-7100 CW & Phone 7150-7300. Then CW 14,025-14,100 CW & Phone 14,200-14,350. Then CW 21,025-21,100 CW & Phone 21,250-21,450. Novice and Tech Plus CW 7025-7100 and CW 21,025-21,100. Then leave 10 & 80 Meters just the way they set it on the 15th. All those in favor say "I".......Those apposed?

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KS4K @ Dec. 18 2006,11:49)][quote=KI4JCE,Dec. 18 2006,10:41][QUOTE=Quote ] (kg8ru @ Dec. 17 2006,02:50)
A SAD day for "old school" HF operators. A HAPPY day for for those who hung around long enough, to get something for nothing. Yes, the able bodied welfare recipients of the radio freqeuncy spectrum. So go buy your books and memorize the answers, and be sure not miss out on your free meal.


#
Well said my friend, no code license was intended to get people intrested now its the standard. I like that phrase "able bodied welfare recipients of the radio freqeuncy spectrum" guess thats the way it is everywhere thats why the Democrats got control of the House and Senate in the last election. #People are to sorry to earn there ticket.
I din't say that.

[n0zoa]

Quote[/b] (kf6nbf @ Dec. 18 2006,18:18)]Everyone seems to be missing the big limiting factor. A Tech will only be able to use phone on 10 meters. That's it. Sure they're now allowed to use CW on other bands, but it they can do that, they may as well take the test.
no sir you are wrong we will have CW privs as do the tech+s and we will be able to operate there weather you or any one else like it or not.

[wa7qzr]

Quote[/b] (kb1sf @ Dec. 18 2006,17:25)]It would seem that while all the crusty, Morse-testing-forever curmudgeons have been breathlessly predicting the end of Morse on our bands (if not the end of Amateur Radio itself), it would seem the FCC, by its actions, has done just the oppose.

That is, once the changes are in effect, ALL Technician licensees -- whether or not they have passed a Morse code examination -- will have "Tech Plus" operating privileges.

This means "no code" Tech will have all of their current VHF/UHF and above frequencies and also will have access to the Novice/Technician Plus frequencies on HF, with a power limit of 200W PEP for Technician operators. These frequencies include:

3525-3600 kHz CW only
7025-7125 kHz CW only
21,025-21,200 kHz CW only
28,000-28,300 kHz CW, RTTY and Data
28,300-28,500 kHz CW, SSB

Translation: #In order to have access to all these "new" HF frequencies, no-code Techs are now GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN MORSE!

Isn't that what "incentive licensing" was supposed to be all about?

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF

Keith noticed what all the Type-A, obsessive-compulsive "brass pounders" seemed to have missed.

Is it possible that too many Hams have become too attached to government edicts and regulations for their own good?

Fear not you guys. With the exception of MARS operations, I like the world above 50mHz. Besides, only fools go where they know they aren't welcome.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KG7FS @ Dec. 18 2006,18:31)]I am a W5YI and ARRL VE. #I guess I can forget about CW testing? #I imagine the General and Extra exam's will be heating up soon? #You cannot imagine how excited we VE's got when someone passed a code test. #You could see them beam from top to bottom, always without exception. #As a young man taking my novice test and the 5wpm exam, I don't even remember waklking home...I think I skipped the whole way. #Oh well, time changes everything and I still will be there to help with the testing and encourage the new hams. #Our club still calls the beginner ham a Novice. #Novice class anyone? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Are you another ruined by the FCC decision?

[n9iur]

Well All.
Im very suprised, yet Very happy not to see all the complaining I expected over this decision.
I have had my ticket for almost 20 years now.but refused to upgrade past my current privlage class, because I felt the code was being forced on me, and it's not a mode I realy had intrest in. I don't know if this will bring in any more new Hams, but I don't see how it will hurt my hobby at all, but I my self am planning on upgrading now, so I guess it will be a good thing for me.
Anyway, just want to say Thanx for keeping the yelling out of this decision, we all have likes and dislikes in this hobby, and one mode is no better then another, when we all use them to comunicate with eachother.
Happy Holidays

[ww5rm]

Quote[/b] (kb1sf @ Dec. 18 2006,11:25)]It would seem that while all the crusty, Morse-testing-forever curmudgeons have been breathlessly predicting the end of Morse on our bands (if not the end of Amateur Radio itself), it would seem the FCC, by its actions, has done just the oppose.

That is, once the changes are in effect, ALL Technician licensees -- whether or not they have passed a Morse code examination -- will have "Tech Plus" operating privileges.

This means "no code" Tech will have all of their current VHF/UHF and above frequencies and also will have access to the Novice/Technician Plus frequencies on HF, with a power limit of 200W PEP for Technician operators. These frequencies include:

3525-3600 kHz CW only
7025-7125 kHz CW only
21,025-21,200 kHz CW only
28,000-28,300 kHz CW, RTTY and Data
28,300-28,500 kHz CW, SSB

Translation: #In order to have access to all these "new" HF frequencies, no-code Techs are now GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN MORSE!

Isn't that what "incentive licensing" was supposed to be all about?

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
Sir they will have the access to these frequencies by passing the written exam but to use them they will have to learn the code is maybe a better wording for this. So to fully utilize all frequencies on HF yes they still will have to lear the code esentially.

[K1MVP]

Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Dec. 18 2006,18:31)]This is commonly called being thrown into the deep end so you can learn to swim.

I have no problem with that concept whatsoever.

They should have done that years ago so more techs had a "real" place to practice and use CW.
Let's face it. The VHF bands is not the place to learn, practice and use CW.

How is learning CW on your PC using software somehow equated to being closely associated with amateur radio?

Improving your CW skills should be done on the bands with other people using amateur radio frequencies. That's the way it was originally intended before they eliminated the Novice license.

After all, learning French is much better by simply just travelling to France and by immersing yourself in it's culture.

73
You forget one thing,--sir, back when we had the "novice"
ticket,--THERE WAS a REQUIREMENT to know 5wpm
BEFORE one got on the air.

And THEN and only THEN could you get on and "converse"
with other "novices" in the NOVICE portion of the band
only, and in that process, a novice built up his/her speed
and "graduated" to like 13 to 20 wpm AND THEN obtained
their General or Extra, to be able to converse with the
"high speed" cw ops.

A "slow" or "inept" operator NEVER would wander into
the General or Extra portion of the band,--as he would
"get clobbered",--by the high speed op.

Do realize how "agonizing" it is for an experienced
CW operator to slow down to 5 wpm, or even less?

It`s like asking an experienced driver on a 75 mph
interstate to slow down for a guy who can barely do
10 mph,--(It just ain`t going to work).

As a matter of fact,--the experienced cw operator(or driver) will get "ticked off" and probably run the "slow
poker" off the road.

# # # # # # # # # # # # #73, K1MVP

P.S, as far a "immersing yourself" in the "culture",
# # # ya might also find it "overwhelming" rather than
# # # "fun".

[wb4ulv]

Breaker breaker Pig Pen this is the Rubber Duck you got a copy........drop down to 3.898 good buddy.

[ww5rm]

Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 18 2006,13:02)]Quote[/b] (kb1sf @ Dec. 18 2006,11:25)]It would seem that while all the crusty, Morse-testing-forever curmudgeons have been breathlessly predicting the end of Morse on our bands (if not the end of Amateur Radio itself), it would seem the FCC, by its actions, has done just the oppose.

That is, once the changes are in effect, ALL Technician licensees -- whether or not they have passed a Morse code examination -- will have "Tech Plus" operating privileges.

This means "no code" Tech will have all of their current VHF/UHF and above frequencies and also will have access to the Novice/Technician Plus frequencies on HF, with a power limit of 200W PEP for Technician operators. These frequencies include:

3525-3600 kHz CW only
7025-7125 kHz CW only
21,025-21,200 kHz CW only
28,000-28,300 kHz CW, RTTY and Data
28,300-28,500 kHz CW, SSB

Translation: #In order to have access to all these "new" HF frequencies, no-code Techs are now GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN MORSE!

Isn't that what "incentive licensing" was supposed to be all about?

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
Sir they will have the access to these frequencies by passing the written exam but to use them they will have to learn the code is maybe a better wording for this. So to fully utilize all frequencies on HF yes they still will have to lear the code esentially.
Yes they will still have to learn the code to access all HF frequencies. I had a type-o so i wanted to fix it.

[ww5rm]

Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 18 2006,12:44)]Quote[/b] (KS4K @ Dec. 18 2006,04:12)]Well heres the thing I hate that the code is no longer part of at least the Extra exam. But the real problem started along time ago. Before I got on the 80m band I had a high opinion of all Hams. Then I heard the trash that every knows about. It all started I'm sure with the little words the H's and the D's then escalated to the other stuff. I'm embarassed to encourage my fellow hams to upgrade as it is. Or even worse when my Pastor would come over and ask about the hobby and want to see a demo. It was usually at night and I would either stay above 3900 or switch to 2 meters. It's even to the point you cant attend field day for the drunks and cussers. I know I know "I just drink a couple beers I dont get drunk" well I wouldnt want my child (when I have one) to see that. What kind of influence is that. People dont care anymore no matter what it is. Wonder how long it will be before somebody starts a Church where the preacher cusses from the pulpit, probably already out there after all some of them already play rock music. The other problem out there is the read and memorize crowd. You know I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to the hobby, but if a major event wiped out my house I could put the pieces back together and get back on the air and get help. Some (not all) of the new hams today when you QSO with them on 2 meters, if you start talking about ham radio they get quiet or it's a one sided conversation. Heres an idea, Gordon West has a excellent study book, but while your memorizing questions why dont you read the explanations and actually learn something. I made my first antenna out of a coat hanger. I also buy my coax and connectors seperate and put them together my self, seems like something simple that every ham should know but how many cant even do that. (not direceted at the blind or disabled) One more thing take pride in your call sign no matter what it is. Use it at least every 10min as required and dont say "for ID purposes". That is implied when you give it and it makes it sound like you wouldnt use it otherwise. Oh and heres one I use to be quilty of myself, it's 73 not 73's or best wishes not best wisheses.
The gates above are very narrow but the gates below are so very wide. What you speak of is the truth but the unbelievers don't want to hear the truth. They can't handle the truth and think it is all insane to worry about such minor things as what is right from wrong. You can see this in almost every post that is commenting on another post. But here is what I suggest we give Extra & Advance class the same priviliages. Such as ......
CW 7000-7100 CW & Phone 7100-7300. Then
CW 14,000-14,100 CW & Phone 14,100-14,350. Then
CW 21,000-21,100 CW & Phone 21,100-21,450.
And as for General give .....
CW 7025-7100 CW & Phone 7150-7300. Then
CW 14,025-14,100 CW & Phone 14,200-14,350. Then
CW 21,025-21,100 CW & Phone 21,250-21,450.
Novice and Tech Plus
CW 7025-7100 and CW 21,025-21,100.
Then leave 10 & 80 Meters just the way they set it on the 15th. All those in favor say "I".......Those apposed?
Dern type-o everywhere. Had to fix them.

[n0zoa]

Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 18 2006,19:02)]Quote[/b] (kb1sf @ Dec. 18 2006,11:25)]It would seem that while all the crusty, Morse-testing-forever curmudgeons have been breathlessly predicting the end of Morse on our bands (if not the end of Amateur Radio itself), it would seem the FCC, by its actions, has done just the oppose.

That is, once the changes are in effect, ALL Technician licensees -- whether or not they have passed a Morse code examination -- will have "Tech Plus" operating privileges.

This means "no code" Tech will have all of their current VHF/UHF and above frequencies and also will have access to the Novice/Technician Plus frequencies on HF, with a power limit of 200W PEP for Technician operators. These frequencies include:

3525-3600 kHz CW only
7025-7125 kHz CW only
21,025-21,200 kHz CW only
28,000-28,300 kHz CW, RTTY and Data
28,300-28,500 kHz CW, SSB

Translation: #In order to have access to all these "new" HF frequencies, no-code Techs are now GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN MORSE!

Isn't that what "incentive licensing" was supposed to be all about?

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
Sir they will have the access to these frequencies by passing the written exam but to use them they will have to learn the code is maybe a better wording for this. So to fully utilize all frequencies on HF yes they still will have to lear the code esentially.
not if they dont want to use the CW portions and i dont think from what i hear on HF band code vs voice i think the voice portions have CW beat . but it will probably get more active because i am still learning the code and i intend on using those frequencies to polish up on it

[ww5rm]

Quote[/b] (n0zoa @ Dec. 18 2006,13:18)]Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 18 2006,19:02)]Quote[/b] (kb1sf @ Dec. 18 2006,11:25)]It would seem that while all the crusty, Morse-testing-forever curmudgeons have been breathlessly predicting the end of Morse on our bands (if not the end of Amateur Radio itself), it would seem the FCC, by its actions, has done just the oppose.

That is, once the changes are in effect, ALL Technician licensees -- whether or not they have passed a Morse code examination -- will have "Tech Plus" operating privileges.

This means "no code" Tech will have all of their current VHF/UHF and above frequencies and also will have access to the Novice/Technician Plus frequencies on HF, with a power limit of 200W PEP for Technician operators. These frequencies include:

3525-3600 kHz CW only
7025-7125 kHz CW only
21,025-21,200 kHz CW only
28,000-28,300 kHz CW, RTTY and Data
28,300-28,500 kHz CW, SSB

Translation: #In order to have access to all these "new" HF frequencies, no-code Techs are now GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN MORSE!

Isn't that what "incentive licensing" was supposed to be all about?

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
Sir they will have the access to these frequencies by passing the written exam but to use them they will have to learn the code is maybe a better wording for this. So to fully utilize all frequencies on HF yes they still will have to lear the code esentially.
not if they dont want to use the CW poertions and i dont think from what i hear on HF band code vs voice i think the code portions have CW beat . but it will pprobablty get more active because i am still learning the code and i intend on using those frequencies to polish up on it
Sir I must say if look at what was posted you will see what I mean. But what you mean by your post I have no clue. Do you not know that CW is continous wave and is used for code? You contradict what you say. For a Ham to use prviliages on a CW portion of any band they will have to learn the code to be able to utilize it. Dang it........ this is even worse than I thought.

[KC8VWM]

Quote[/b] (K1MVP @ Dec. 18 2006,19:03)]Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Dec. 18 2006,18:31)]This is commonly called being thrown into the deep end so you can learn to swim.

I have no problem with that concept whatsoever.

They should have done that years ago so more techs had a "real" place to practice and use CW.
Let's face it. The VHF bands is not the place to learn, practice and use CW.

How is learning CW on your PC using software somehow equated to being closely associated with amateur radio?

Improving your CW skills should be done on the bands with other people using amateur radio frequencies. That's the way it was originally intended before they eliminated the Novice license.

After all, learning French is much better by simply just traveling to France and by immersing yourself in it's culture.

73
You forget one thing,--sir, back when we had the "novice"
ticket,--THERE WAS a REQUIREMENT to know 5wpm
BEFORE one got on the air.

And THEN and only THEN could you get on and "converse"
with other "novices" in the NOVICE portion of the band
only, and in that process, a novice built up his/her speed
and "graduated" to like 13 to 20 wpm AND THEN obtained
their General or Extra, to be able to converse with the
"high speed" cw ops.

A "slow" or "inept" operator NEVER would wander into
the General or Extra portion of the band,--as he would
"get clobbered",--by the high speed op.

Do realize how "agonizing" it is for an experienced
CW operator to slow down to 5 wpm, or even less?

It`s like asking an experienced driver on a 75 mph
interstate to slow down for a guy who can barely do
10 mph,--(It just ain`t going to work).

As a matter of fact,--the experienced cw operator(or driver) will get "ticked off" and probably run the "slow
poker" off the road.

# # # # # # # # # # # # #73, K1MVP

P.S, as far a "immersing yourself" in the "culture",
# # # ya might also find it "overwhelming" rather than
# # # "fun".
No, I didn't forget anything.

The idea is that Novices were able to use CW with one another and build up their speed over time.

Yes, I fully realize they needed to pass a code test in order to use CW on HF.

In the case of the modern day Technician, they had to "fail" the CW test in order to use the Tech Plus CW segment on HF. #If they don't know any CW, #they simply won't use it at all. But I suspect they WILL become curious. After all it's no secret that CW gets through when other modes don't. They will "want" to learn it from sheer necessity.

See where this is going?

Techs that didn't make the grade or pass element 1 and had given up in the past probably do know "some CW" under thier belt. I bet they probably know enough to get their feet wet and hopefully they will improve their skills (with your help) over time.

That is if they are provided with the "incentive" to do so. The concept of providing them with an HF band to do this activity "is" in fact that incentive.

VHF is not an incentive and many Techs quickly loose interest because no one else is around using CW on the VHF band.

New Techs will now be replacing the old nervous Novice making their very first CW contact on HF for the first time. Does anyone remember the feeling of doing that for the very first time? Well, guess what.. that magic has now returned to visit the CW portion of the bands today in 2006.

Does anyone else find that fact exciting?

Novice was an opportunity. I was never fortunate enough to have experienced that opportunity myself. By the time I got into this mess in 2003, No code Tech was in and Novice was out. My first experience was on a local repeater. It would have been nice if my first experience was behind a CW key.

Maybe, it's really not too late to save CW after all. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see CW begin to surge in popularity and become a dominate mode on the HF bands once again.

di dit

Warmest holiday wishes.

[ah6gi]

Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Dec. 18 2006,18:31)]This is commonly called being thrown into the deep end so you can learn to swim.

I have no problem with that concept whatsoever.

They should have done that years ago so more techs had a "real" place to practice and use CW with others?
Absolutely right. HF CW is more fun than folks can imagine.

Sure, some folk will come up on 40 CW and send almost unreadable code. So what. They'll learn and have a great time doing it. Month by month, they'll get better and some, not all, will become die-hard CW fans.

It's like deciding to run marathons, ski, or anything else. It's the challenge and seeing yourself get better and better.

de ah6gi/4

[ki4lgs]

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After reading all of the posts here so far concerning the FCC decision to drop the CW requirement I'd just like to add my two cents. As a 33 year veteran CB'er I have heard it all over the air. About 12 years ago I decided that I wanted to get my amateur license and began to study for the Technician Class exam. During my studies, I acquired a 10 meter rig and began monitoring, after 3 or 4 weeks of monitoring 10 meters I decided that I in fact had no interest in being a part of the trash that I had heard, sold the 10 meter rig and dropped my studies. A year and a half ago I decided to go ahead and get my license anyway. I have thoroughly enjoyed my Tech privileges since then and have every intention of upgrading with or without CW. I just wish that ALL of you could and would be honest about your amateur practice, because the FACT OF THE MATTER is this; there are at least 75 percent of the people that are screaming so loudly against the elimination of the code requirement who only learned CW to advance their license class and have NEVER used CW since taking the test. They never had any intentions of using CW on the air except to pass that specific requirement and never will use it. I, for one, have GREAT respect for those who do practice CW on a daily basis! I’ve been trying to learn the code for the purpose of advancement only, since that is the only interest I have in the code. With the change in the rules, I no longer have to learn a form of communication that I have no interest in and have absolutely no intention of using. This does not mean that CW is dead yet, it just means that the few people who still use this artful form of communication will not have the opportunity to communicate with those of us who choose other forms of radio communication unless they take a step UP into our realm. Quite frankly, it’s their loss, I’m sorry that I’ll miss them ON THE AIR. #Technician class and Tech w/code now have the same privileges, a small section of 10 meter phone privileges and CW privileges on 15, 40 and 80 meters, if they want to make use of the expanded privileges this change has afforded them they have to learn the code anyway!

Oh, by the way, 10-4!

[kb3afz]

Well this topic has been one of interest for a long time, then it kind of Died off, and now the BIG WORD is out and everyone is less fired up now than before. Maybe the FCC and the ARRL planned it that way. Well gentlemen, I am for it, and against it. I waited on this change for a while then I just decided to go and pass my 5WPM, and my written. I also was very glad I learned Morse Code. On the same note, I am glad the FCC is making this decision to drop it, as I see quite a few people who do not want to learn Code, that would like the chance to advance to general or higher. I, however, do not understand why the FCC would give Techs and Tech +'s the same HF privelege. All you get is a tiny portion of Phone on 10 meter as a Tech Plus. If an Ameture doesn't have an interest in CODE then why give him priveleges he will not use.?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Oh well, our Government is going to run things their way, no matter what we say or do, so all we can really do is take it as it comes, and be happy with what we got, and what we have done in the past. The times are changing, and quite a few of you out there, from what i ahve read here, cannot or don't want to accept change. We are just going to ahve to suck this one up my fellow Hams, and move on. Remember this. We have a VFO, and a Power switch. If it gets horrible, then move or take a break. Being a New General, I have noticed, there is quite a bit of room on HF to have a QSO. If the phone portions get to plugged up, then move to the Code portion. After all the new one's from here on out will be "No Code Generals" If they don't know Code, or even want to know it, then they will move away themselves. Rest easy my friends, and move on with pride, knowing what you have, what you've done, and who you are.

KB3AFZ
rwkeith1@verizon.net
www.supergiftonline.com

[n0zoa]

Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 18 2006,19:24)]Quote[/b] (n0zoa @ Dec. 18 2006,13:18)]Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 18 2006,19:02)]Quote[/b] (kb1sf @ Dec. 18 2006,11:25)]It would seem that while all the crusty, Morse-testing-forever curmudgeons have been breathlessly predicting the end of Morse on our bands (if not the end of Amateur Radio itself), it would seem the FCC, by its actions, has done just the oppose.

That is, once the changes are in effect, ALL Technician licensees -- whether or not they have passed a Morse code examination -- will have "Tech Plus" operating privileges.

This means "no code" Tech will have all of their current VHF/UHF and above frequencies and also will have access to the Novice/Technician Plus frequencies on HF, with a power limit of 200W PEP for Technician operators. These frequencies include:

3525-3600 kHz CW only
7025-7125 kHz CW only
21,025-21,200 kHz CW only
28,000-28,300 kHz CW, RTTY and Data
28,300-28,500 kHz CW, SSB

Translation: #In order to have access to all these "new" HF frequencies, no-code Techs are now GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN MORSE!

Isn't that what "incentive licensing" was supposed to be all about?

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
Sir they will have the access to these frequencies by passing the written exam but to use them they will have to learn the code is maybe a better wording for this. So to fully utilize all frequencies on HF yes they still will have to lear the code esentially.
not if they dont want to use the CW poertions and i dont think from what i hear on HF band code vs voice i think the code portions have CW beat . but it will pprobablty get more active because i am still learning the code and i intend on using those frequencies to polish up on it
Sir I must say if look at what was posted you will see what I mean. But what you mean by your post I have no clue. Do you not know that CW is continous wave and #is used for code? You contradict what you say. For a Ham to use prviliages on a CW portion of any band they will have to learn the code to be able to utilize it. Dang it........ this is even worse than I thought.
what i mentfor my post to say is that weather any one likes itor not us NCT soon to be techs will be "utilizing" these frequencies to practice on instead of using the local repeaters(that is a mountain top repeator that ties up a repeator that gets about a 100 mile radius coverage) to hold code practice nets like they do here in colorado. And i hope those of you that are "pros" at CW have enough patience for the ones that dont know CW that good to learn it so the CW doesnt die off.

[kc7jty]

and I was hoping the new proposal would eliminate having to listen to all the constant "I'm gonna learn Morse code" types.

[KC8VWM]

Quote[/b] (kb3afz @ Dec. 18 2006,19:38)]#If an Ameture doesn't have an interest in CODE then why give him priveleges he will not use.?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif #
See the curiousity is even arousing you right now isn't it?

Imagine a newly minted Tech asking themselves that very same question? Will their continued curiosity tell them not to ever#use it?

I bet the CW key will be hooked up and running before they ever figure out there was a question in the first place.

The answer can only be found by using the mode. It's like a mysterious mountain summit you never climbed.

Why is it there? How can I get to the top?

Only one way to find out...

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (K1MVP @ Dec. 17 2006,20:03)]Do realize how "agonizing" it is for an experienced
CW operator to slow down to 5 wpm, or even less?

It`s like asking an experienced driver on a 75 mph
interstate to slow down for a guy who can barely do
10 mph,--(It just ain`t going to work).

As a matter of fact,--the experienced cw operator(or driver) will get "ticked off" and probably run the "slow
poker" off the road.

# # # # # # # # # # # # #73, K1MVP

P.S, as far a "immersing yourself" in the "culture",
# # # ya might also find it "overwhelming" rather than
# # # "fun".
Balderdash! I strongly disagree! Getting into high 20s over 30 years ago (as a Novice), I have always enjoyed slowing down for the new op. Later I would purposely go into the Novice bands just to have the thrill of being "my first QSO" for somebody.

I have never met a ham who wouldn't QRS for someone who was really trying.

[WA0LYK]

Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Dec. 18 2006,16:58)]In my other hobbies, (sailing and old cars) those who have a special skill are held in respect and asked for their help by those of us (me included) with lesser skills. In this hobby, those with more skills are attacked for having the skills and called "elitist". I find that very strange.
Yeah, isn't it ironic to read all the posts about how testing for a skill to obtain a license is wrong then to read that knowing morse code doesn't mean you are a better operator than someone who is no code.

Somehow I always thought having more skills than someone else made you a more skillful operator! Usually this is translated into "better".

It sounds like the folks who don't want to learn code are in many cases jealous of those who know code and are trying to rationalize the fact that having an additional skill is unimportant. In other words, not only is code not necessary for obtaining a license, it doesn't make you a more skillful operator either.

Ultimately, the argument falls apart from a lack of coherence.

Jim
WA0LYK

[w6em]

Quote[/b] (dl6maa @ Dec. 17 2006,17:40)]Quote[/b] (w6em @ Dec. 18 2006,15:05)]
Quote[/b] ]
W6EM:
I'm not spreading lies, only trying to call attention to the multitudes who keep claiming that PacTOR III, aka 2K80J2D, is a narrow bandwidth digital mode. #IT IS NOT.
2.8kHz is NOT narrow bandwidth.

I quit the case. Discussing with a guy who still claims that P3 had a bandwidth of 2.8 kHz - after all detailed information I gave - is really a waste of time. You are not interested in facts but only in your cheap propaganda.

Peter, DL6MAA
Peter: #Here's something I ran across in the FCC's Maritime regulations.

47CFR§80.205 Bandwidths.

(a) An emission designator shows the necessary bandwidth for each class of emission of a station except that in ship earth stations it shows the occupied or necessary bandwidth, whichever is greater. The following table gives the class of emission and corresponding emission designator and authorized bandwidth:
--------------------------------------------------------------------
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #Authorized
Class of emission # # # # # # # #Emission # # # #bandwidth
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #designator # # # # (kHz)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
J2D \14\.................... # # # # 2K80J2D # # # # # # 3.0


Now, if the FCC assumes an authorized bandwidth of 3 kHz for J2D modes, then, by their own tables, they must certainly know that its not narrow-bandwidth.

As I've said over and over, this is about properly wording regulations to reflect what is intended.

Even if your J2D mode, Pactor III, just happens to be at times only 2kHz wide, well, that's within the constraints. #However, no such constraint as is listed above, exists in Part 97.3{c}2. #The door is wide open to literally any bandwidth desired.

If I were to get my ITU jargon correct, something like 500H0J2D should be what we're talking about for autobots on HF amateur frequencies. #Not something 2, 2.4, 2.8, or even up to 3kHz wide, as the FCC says above in the maritime bands.

By leaving off the bandwidth designator, and with only the archaic "300 Baud symbol rate" maximum, the door is wide open for broadband ARRLink™.

[ww5rm]

Quote[/b] (n0zoa @ Dec. 18 2006,13:55)]Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 18 2006,19:24)]Quote[/b] (n0zoa @ Dec. 18 2006,13:18)]Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 18 2006,19:02)]Quote[/b] (kb1sf @ Dec. 18 2006,11:25)]It would seem that while all the crusty, Morse-testing-forever curmudgeons have been breathlessly predicting the end of Morse on our bands (if not the end of Amateur Radio itself), it would seem the FCC, by its actions, has done just the oppose.

That is, once the changes are in effect, ALL Technician licensees -- whether or not they have passed a Morse code examination -- will have "Tech Plus" operating privileges.

This means "no code" Tech will have all of their current VHF/UHF and above frequencies and also will have access to the Novice/Technician Plus frequencies on HF, with a power limit of 200W PEP for Technician operators. These frequencies include:

3525-3600 kHz CW only
7025-7125 kHz CW only
21,025-21,200 kHz CW only
28,000-28,300 kHz CW, RTTY and Data
28,300-28,500 kHz CW, SSB

Translation: #In order to have access to all these "new" HF frequencies, no-code Techs are now GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN MORSE!

Isn't that what "incentive licensing" was supposed to be all about?

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
Sir they will have the access to these frequencies by passing the written exam but to use them they will have to learn the code is maybe a better wording for this. So to fully utilize all frequencies on HF yes they still will have to lear the code esentially.
not if they dont want to use the CW poertions and i dont think from what i hear on HF band code vs voice i think the code portions have CW beat . but it will pprobablty get more active because i am still learning the code and i intend on using those frequencies to polish up on it
Sir I must say if look at what was posted you will see what I mean. But what you mean by your post I have no clue. Do you not know that CW is continous wave and #is used for code? You contradict what you say. For a Ham to use prviliages on a CW portion of any band they will have to learn the code to be able to utilize it. Dang it........ this is even worse than I thought.
what i mentfor my post to say is that weather any one likes itor not us NCT soon to be techs will be "utilizing" these frequencies to practice on instead of using the local repeaters(that is a mountain top repeator that ties up a repeator that gets about a 100 mile radius coverage) to hold code practice nets like they do here in colorado. And i hope those of you that are "pros" at CW have enough patience for the ones that dont know CW that good to learn it so the CW doesnt die off.
Oh ok I got you now. But why don't they move off the repeater and conduct the code practice on a Simplex frequency instead of tying up the repeater with such lengthy practice?

[n0zoa]

Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 18 2006,20:14)]Quote[/b] (n0zoa @ Dec. 18 2006,13:55)]Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 18 2006,19:24)]Quote[/b] (n0zoa @ Dec. 18 2006,13:18)]Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 18 2006,19:02)]Quote[/b] (kb1sf @ Dec. 18 2006,11:25)]It would seem that while all the crusty, Morse-testing-forever curmudgeons have been breathlessly predicting the end of Morse on our bands (if not the end of Amateur Radio itself), it would seem the FCC, by its actions, has done just the oppose.

That is, once the changes are in effect, ALL Technician licensees -- whether or not they have passed a Morse code examination -- will have "Tech Plus" operating privileges.

This means "no code" Tech will have all of their current VHF/UHF and above frequencies and also will have access to the Novice/Technician Plus frequencies on HF, with a power limit of 200W PEP for Technician operators. These frequencies include:

3525-3600 kHz CW only
7025-7125 kHz CW only
21,025-21,200 kHz CW only
28,000-28,300 kHz CW, RTTY and Data
28,300-28,500 kHz CW, SSB

Translation: #In order to have access to all these "new" HF frequencies, no-code Techs are now GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN MORSE!

Isn't that what "incentive licensing" was supposed to be all about?

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
Sir they will have the access to these frequencies by passing the written exam but to use them they will have to learn the code is maybe a better wording for this. So to fully utilize all frequencies on HF yes they still will have to lear the code esentially.
not if they dont want to use the CW poertions and i dont think from what i hear on HF band code vs voice i think the code portions have CW beat . but it will pprobablty get more active because i am still learning the code and i intend on using those frequencies to polish up on it
Sir I must say if look at what was posted you will see what I mean. But what you mean by your post I have no clue. Do you not know that CW is continous wave and #is used for code? You contradict what you say. For a Ham to use prviliages on a CW portion of any band they will have to learn the code to be able to utilize it. Dang it........ this is even worse than I thought.
what i mentfor my post to say is that weather any one likes itor not us NCT soon to be techs will be "utilizing" these frequencies to practice on instead of using the local repeaters(that is a mountain top repeator that ties up a repeator that gets about a 100 mile radius coverage) to hold code practice nets like they do here in colorado. And i hope those of you that are "pros" at CW have enough patience for the ones that dont know CW that good to learn it so the CW doesnt die off.
Oh ok I got you now. But why don't they move off the repeater and conduct the code practice on a Simplex frequency instead of tying up the repeater with such lengthy practice?
probably so everyone can copy iy clearly. Although one time the guy sending it was up in estes park in a valley and i live about 4o or so miles out on the planes and i swiched over to reverse and i was able to just barely make out the CW but when the net was over i was not able to hear his voice. so that prooved to me that CW is a essential part of radio and communication that comes through when voice will not even on VHF FM mode and that is why i am still going to learn CW even though i dont have to.

[w6em]

Quote[/b] (n6kzb @ Dec. 17 2006,19:56)]There are thousand of us who appreciate the fine effort you have done to advance digital communications in amateur radio. The countless emergency messages sent,
and the feeling of comfort to many who depend on your protocol.

Continue the fine work, and with Pactor 3 back where it needs to be, thanks to recent rulings, it matters little what he does.

Adios and Merry Christmas.


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Dios Mio. You have a modem in your XE2 shack photo, probably another in San Diego, and you're fishing for a discount on a 3rd one?

At roughly $1300 each, well, good luck..... What an investment.

73,

[AC0BU]

for the most part, the people i've heard complaining the loudest about the code drop are older hams who NEVER operate cw. It's the old " I had to do it, so it's only fair that you have to do it.
# I for one, don't think it'll turn into the cb band. I've bought I don't know how many tech prep books to give to cb friends to get them started.... not one has made the leap.

#on the current amateur radio operator front... we once had a local older ham who at field day complained endlessly about there not being a cw station set up to use ...when one was set up for him, he said " Well, I'm not operating it... it's been too long for me since I operated "

# I for one, love cw, and had to pass the test, but try every day to get better. but you'll not hear me complain about the drop...if this move by the FCC gets alot of enthusiasm going about ham radio and accidently kills off the worst curmudgens via stress...great

[KC8VWM]

Quote[/b] (ki4lgs @ Dec. 18 2006,19:37)]Technician class and Tech w/code now have the same privileges, a small section of 10 meter phone privileges and CW privileges on 15, 40 and 80 meters, if they want to make use of the expanded privileges this change has afforded them they have to learn the code anyway!
Exactly! They have to learn to use CW anyways.

They will learn CW not because they have to as a licensing requirement in this case but rather because they want to learn it in order to use their privileges already afforded to them.

That is not a "giveaway" per se, it's a challenging and fun incentive to actually hook up the spoons to the radio equipment and start using the mode to practice and use the skill and to become proficient at it over a period of time.

Isn't that really the original goal we originally intended to achieve in the first place?

As Kramer would say, "Not that's there's anything wrong with that..."

73

[n0zoa]

Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Dec. 18 2006,20:08)]Quote[/b] (K1MVP @ Dec. 17 2006,20:03)]Do realize how "agonizing" it is for an experienced
CW operator to slow down to 5 wpm, or even less?

It`s like asking an experienced driver on a 75 mph
interstate to slow down for a guy who can barely do
10 mph,--(It just ain`t going to work).

As a matter of fact,--the experienced cw operator(or driver) will get "ticked off" and probably run the "slow
poker" off the road.

# # # # # # # # # # # # #73, K1MVP

P.S, as far a "immersing yourself" in the "culture",
# # # ya might also find it "overwhelming" rather than
# # # "fun".
Balderdash! #I strongly disagree! #Getting into high 20s over 30 years ago (as a Novice), I have always enjoyed slowing down for the new op. #Later I would purposely go into the Novice bands just to have the thrill of being "my first QSO" for somebody. #

I have never met a ham who wouldn't QRS for someone who was really trying.
and after all isnt it a part of the amateurs code "to be patient in sending" if i am not mistaken but from the venom i see being spewed on these threads the amateur ethics code has been thrown out the window and forgoten

[n0zoa]

http://www.collinsclubs.com/carc/amatcode.htm words for all amateur radio ops should live by and most of these OFs that are complaining must have forgotten them

[ww5rm]

Quote[/b] (n0zoa @ Dec. 18 2006,14:21)]Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 18 2006,20:14)]Quote[/b] (n0zoa @ Dec. 18 2006,13:55)]Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 18 2006,19:24)]Quote[/b] (n0zoa @ Dec. 18 2006,13:18)]Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 18 2006,19:02)]Quote[/b] (kb1sf @ Dec. 18 2006,11:25)]It would seem that while all the crusty, Morse-testing-forever curmudgeons have been breathlessly predicting the end of Morse on our bands (if not the end of Amateur Radio itself), it would seem the FCC, by its actions, has done just the oppose.

That is, once the changes are in effect, ALL Technician licensees -- whether or not they have passed a Morse code examination -- will have "Tech Plus" operating privileges.

This means "no code" Tech will have all of their current VHF/UHF and above frequencies and also will have access to the Novice/Technician Plus frequencies on HF, with a power limit of 200W PEP for Technician operators. These frequencies include:

3525-3600 kHz CW only
7025-7125 kHz CW only
21,025-21,200 kHz CW only
28,000-28,300 kHz CW, RTTY and Data
28,300-28,500 kHz CW, SSB

Translation: #In order to have access to all these "new" HF frequencies, no-code Techs are now GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN MORSE!

Isn't that what "incentive licensing" was supposed to be all about?

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
Sir they will have the access to these frequencies by passing the written exam but to use them they will have to learn the code is maybe a better wording for this. So to fully utilize all frequencies on HF yes they still will have to lear the code esentially.
not if they dont want to use the CW poertions and i dont think from what i hear on HF band code vs voice i think the code portions have CW beat . but it will pprobablty get more active because i am still learning the code and i intend on using those frequencies to polish up on it
Sir I must say if look at what was posted you will see what I mean. But what you mean by your post I have no clue. Do you not know that CW is continous wave and #is used for code? You contradict what you say. For a Ham to use prviliages on a CW portion of any band they will have to learn the code to be able to utilize it. Dang it........ this is even worse than I thought.
what i mentfor my post to say is that weather any one likes itor not us NCT soon to be techs will be "utilizing" these frequencies to practice on instead of using the local repeaters(that is a mountain top repeator that ties up a repeator that gets about a 100 mile radius coverage) to hold code practice nets like they do here in colorado. And i hope those of you that are "pros" at CW have enough patience for the ones that dont know CW that good to learn it so the CW doesnt die off.
Oh ok I got you now. But why don't they move off the repeater and conduct the code practice on a Simplex frequency instead of tying up the repeater with such lengthy practice?
probably so everyone can copy iy clearly. Although one time the guy sending it was up in estes park in a valley and i live about 4o or so miles out on the planes and i swiched over to reverse and i was able to just barely make out the CW but when the net was over i was not able to hear his voice. so that prooved to me that CW is a essential part of radio and communication that comes through when voice will not even on VHF FM mode and that is why i am still going to learn CW even though i dont have to.
Absolutely when the voice drops out 9 times out of 10 the code will continue to hold up and bust right through to make the QSO. And on rare occasion that will take place just to maintain the QSO.

[KI4MSA]

Quote[/b] (K1MVP @ Dec. 17 2006,20:01)]Quote[/b] (kd5sdi @ Dec. 18 2006,17:02)]Just the day I was hoping to see, now I can get on the bands and learn code because I want to not because I have to before I can even try to get on the bands.
Will someone "explain" something to me?--I must be
"missing something" here.

If all the NCT`s, NCG`s and NCE`s are going to have
"cw privleges" down in the CW portion,--just how would
this work?--If they do not even know any cw, just how
are they going to "converse" with each other?

This ought to be quite a "site to behold",--It would be
like attempting to speak French in France, without
even a basic understanding of French,--again a "site to
behold".
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # 73, K1MVP
Ummm, I'm guessing that unless they are using a computer to send and receive code, that they will NOT be using it.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.


This NO-CODE Technician Says:
... . . # -.-- .- # --- -. # .... ..-. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K1MVP]

Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Dec. 18 2006,20:08)]Quote[/b] (K1MVP @ Dec. 17 2006,20:03)]Do realize how "agonizing" it is for an experienced
CW operator to slow down to 5 wpm, or even less?

It`s like asking an experienced driver on a 75 mph
interstate to slow down for a guy who can barely do
10 mph,--(It just ain`t going to work).

As a matter of fact,--the experienced cw operator(or driver) will get "ticked off" and probably run the "slow
poker" off the road.

# # # # # # # # # # # # #73, K1MVP

P.S, as far a "immersing yourself" in the "culture",
# # # ya might also find it "overwhelming" rather than
# # # "fun".
Balderdash! #I strongly disagree! #Getting into high 20s over 30 years ago (as a Novice), I have always enjoyed slowing down for the new op. #Later I would purposely go into the Novice bands just to have the thrill of being "my first QSO" for somebody. #

I have never met a ham who wouldn't QRS for someone who was really trying.
SIR,
YOU have a "right" to your "opinion" and "experience".
When we had the REAL novice bands,--years ago,
when the novice bands were utilized by novices.--IT
WAS much more common for an experienced op to come
down into the novice band to help the beginner.

In today`s world,--of HR, who is the "novice",--A NCT
a NCG, or a NCE?--hard to say nowadays, with the
"new" so-called "license requirements".


As far as "slow cw op" going into the extra cw portion,--many are "fast", and either will not or prefer not to slow down,--es THATS been my experience.

73, MVP

[WA0LYK]

I read all the promises about upgrading so folks can TALK on HF as if this is an end to itself. I suspect most are quickly going to tire of talking on HF. If there are hundreds of thousands of techs who are just waiting upgrade in order to talk on HF it seems funny to me that all this talking isn't taking place on their current bands. 2m should be full of folks on repeaters and simplex just talking! Talking there isn't any different than on HF.

Now I know there are folks who will talk to themselves if no one else is around and they just love the sound of their voice. However, thankfully these folks are few and far between and won't have THAT much of an impact.

Since we are at a sunspot minimum, let me tell the tech boys and girls wanting to upgrade that it will be YEARS before a 100 watt station with a simple dipole will let you TALK at will on the higher HF bands. This leaves the lower bands. Antennas for these frequencies are a whole lot more complicated to hang and find space for than a simple old J-pole or even multi-element beam for 2m. They are ugly and must be up pretty high. No simple 5/8's wavelength vertical with some radials on a painters pole here. You will also need to deal with RFI in phones, garage door openers, ethernet lans, home theaters, wi-fi routers, etc. and not just in your home but your neighbor's too.

I've got a sneaking suspicion that many of those who never learned morse code will also have problems doing the work involved in setting up an HF station that will be multi-banded and put out signals that are sufficient to allow them to TALK whenever and wherever they wish without causing RFI.

It is ironic that overcoming many of these issues with CW/Morse Code is pretty easy to do. You can run low power and have a good receiver and communicate all over the world.

I guess we'll see how many are satisfied with simple talking and stay with it versus those who just think the grass is always greener somewhere else and become dissatisfied with HF too.

Jim
WA0LYk

[n0zoa]

Quote[/b] (WA0LYK @ Dec. 18 2006,20:57)]I read all the promises about upgrading so folks can TALK on HF as if this is an end to itself. #I suspect most are quickly going to tire of talking on HF. #If there are #hundreds of thousands of techs who are just waiting upgrade in order to talk on HF it seems funny to me that all this talking isn't taking place on their current bands. #2m should be full of folks on repeaters and simplex just talking! #Talking there isn't any different than on HF. #

Now I know there are folks who will talk to themselves if no one else is around and they just love the sound of their voice. #However, thankfully these folks are few and far between and won't have THAT much of an impact.

Since we are at a sunspot minimum, let me tell the tech boys and girls wanting to upgrade that it will be YEARS before a 100 watt station with a simple dipole will let you TALK at will on the higher HF bands. #This leaves the lower bands. #Antennas for these frequencies are a whole lot more complicated to hang and find space for than a simple old J-pole or even multi-element beam for 2m. #They are ugly and must be up pretty high. #No simple 5/8's wavelength vertical with some radials on a painters pole here. #You will also need to deal with RFI in phones, garage door openers, ethernet lans, home theaters, wi-fi routers, etc. and not just in your home but your neighbor's too.

I've got a sneaking suspicion that many of those who never learned morse code will also have problems doing the work involved in setting up an HF station that will be multi-banded and put out signals that are sufficient to allow them to TALK whenever and wherever they wish without causing RFI. #

It is ironic that overcoming many of these issues with CW/Morse Code is pretty easy to do. #You can run low power and have a good receiver and communicate all over the world. #

I guess we'll see how many are satisfied with simple talking and stay with it versus those who just think the grass is always greener somewhere else and become dissatisfied with HF too.

Jim
WA0LYk
rumor has it that the sunspot cycle is due to start up again around january i think i saw, and its supose to be even bigger than the one that happened in the late 70s. they say it may even disrupt VHF and UHF communications

[VA6SZ]

To those of you on both sides of this (silly) debate...
GET A LIFE!!

Is this really a ground shattering or earth breaking development? Does this really mean that the sun won't rise tomorrow? Is Ham Radio really that important to you that you become so passionate as to forget that there maybe more important things that should be dominating your thoughts...?

WOW, a lot of these comments sound like a teenager who's just gotten his first car and nothing, NOTHING, is more important to him. Including family, friends, school, job, etc., etc.. I just hope, like that young adult... some time in the future, everyone will see just how silly this debate HAD become.

I can't believe that even I posted a comment on here. In Canada, the sky hasn't fallen. In fact, the numbers are now starting to decline after the initial spike. Now that's worrying. If the hobby is going to continue and possibly grow, a little more thought should be put into these debates rather than the constant bickering between sides. This battle has fractured this hobby. I hope it's not irreversable.

So...GET A LIFE! Start enjoying the hobby. Hey, here's a thought...turn on your radio and turn off the computer. Cool!! Actually participate in the hobby. (Not the arguing.)

de Andrew VA6SZ/VA6TTT

[KB9ZTF]

with all the love from the older hams and the welcome mat in place i think i will stay on 6 and 2 meters where i can enjoy the band and the real radio you older hams can have your hf bands and when you die off and no ones out there #the fcc can sell them off for all i care just dont touch the 6 or 2 meter band don,t know why but i never see the no code hate on the 6 meter band just a lot of real hams and the ones that are out on 6 that have a gen adv or extra are willing to mentor the lesser ones nct don,t see that on hf so why would i want to spend time on the hf with all the hate and i like cw i#can and have used it time from time but now that i can go and use it on the hf i think ill pass maybe if the hams on the hf were like the hams on 6 and 2 the hf would be more user friendy at any rate fcc dis dosent efect me one way or another

[WD8AQS]

Quote[/b] (n0zoa @ Dec. 18 2006,21:05)]Jim
WA0LYk
rumor has it that the sunspot cycle is due to start up again around january i think i saw, and its supose to be even bigger than the one that happened in the late 70s. they say it may even disrupt VHF and UHF communications[/quote]
That late 70's cycle was the best I have ever seen, 10 and 15 were open to DX almost 24/7. I can remember CW/SSB contacts with mobiles in Europe on the 15m novice band. Was nothing to QSO ZL's & JA's with 2 watts from MI. It was a blast. If this next cycle is as good or better then we are in for some fun. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KD5GHV]

Quote[/b] (ke7gkj @ Dec. 16 2006,12:45)]Whats done is done. Im new to ham (july of 06) I thought I was going to have to learn code in order to enjoy the wonderfull world of HF. Apparently now im not going to have to. I can understand people who have been in ham for 40+ years being very angry and upset about this move by the FCC. All that can be done by those people is to mentor new hams and educate them and eventually teach them CW. I for one will probably end up learning it anyways...despite the dropping of it. I just dont see what all the anger and arguing is going to accomplish. Ham radio is a wonderfull hobby and way of life and I fear that the people reading these boards that don't yet have thier ticket and might be studying to get thiers will be hesitant or will just decide that its not worth it. These are just my thoughts...hopefully i wont be persecuted for them
Funny you post this. I am a Tech and studying the code. A young man across the street, (19 yrs old), had been hearing the code as I have been studying for the test. He asked the other day about the "funny noises" he had been hearing and I explained all this to him, the best I could, (different elements, license types and requirements, ect). He was interested enough he got this website and a few others from me, and began to read. Well, this morning I saw him and he was asking about the code requirment being dropped. I explained this to him and handed him a study book I borrowed from a friend who just recently got his tech. He brought the book back this afternoon and told me, "No Thanks." He said he had been reading all this on the web, and said it was too much controversy for him. He is attending a community college and studying, of all things, electronics. He told me he also talked to a guy in another class about ham radio, and found out this guy was a general class. I told him that is the man you can probably get all your answers from with alot more knowledge than me. He laughed and said, "That guy told me with all this junk going on about the code-no code issue that it just wasn't worth it, that he had passed his general test, along with the code, and then threw away his key." I told him that things would settle down and all would be okay, but he again told me he had enough controversy in everyday life and did not need anymore, especially with something that is suppose to be a hobby.Young man got me to thinking...

[wb6dgn]

The "instant gratification" crowd gets a Christmas present!

[n0yhh]

I have been stuck as a Tech for 13 years since I got my ticket because of the tinnitus and hearing loss in both ears from 20 years Army Service. I have been waiting for this day for a very long time. To those who say this is the end of Ham radio is BUNK. This is supposed to be a hobby, a very serious hobby yes. Most CBers I knew wouldn't go into Ham radio because they would have to give up their "freedom" of cursing and talking trash. Dropping the code gives me a chance once I pass the General exam to expand my hobby to the fullest. Look, there has always been "good" and "bad" operators, this change allows more "good operators" to venture into the world. So to the FCC, thank you, to the skeptics, be listening for me.

[WW2E]

N1BHH wrote that the FCC dropped the morse code requirement for licensees in the maritime radio service <span style='color:red'>"long before the U.S. amateur radio service did this. In fact the only radio service I know of that retains the morse requirement is the amateur radio service."</span>

Wrong.

The FCC still issues the Second Class Radiotelegraph Operator's License, which requires a high-speed morse code exam. It is one of the primary credentials for radio officers aboard large commercial vessels. And like anything really good, it takes a ton of hard work to earn. Only 22 of these licenses were granted last year.

Why post in detail on something you apparently know very little about?

Phil WW2E
FCC General Radiotelephone Operator's License
FCC Global Maritime Distress and Safety System Operator
and Maintainer's License
FCC Ship Radar Endorsement
FCC Second Class Radiotelegraph Operator's License

[K7JEM]

Quote[/b] (KB5DPE @ Dec. 18 2006,22:01)]The "instant gratification" crowd gets a Christmas present!
ALL US hams got a Christmas present.

Some will just enjoy it more than others.

If you don't enjoy it, try not to ruin it for the rest of us. You will never build yourself up by tearing down another person. Do not become bitter and disillusioned over a stupid code test.

Joe

[wb6dgn]

Andrew VA6SZ/VA6TTT ,

Why would a canadian feel compelled to comment on this USA, FCC proposal? #Especially in such a condescending manner. #You had your chance to comment when canada enacted their regulations, now leave US to deal with our issues. #A year or two from now it will ALL be forgotten. #Hams are the most opinionated, egocentric individuals I've ever encountered, but it's all bluster and hot air. #It goes away quickly. #As for any lasting damage, see the above!
Tom KB5DPE

[n0zoa]

Quote[/b] (n0yhh @ Dec. 18 2006,22:09)]I have been stuck as a Tech for 13 years since I got my ticket because of the tinnitus and hearing loss in both ears from 20 years Army Service. I have been waiting for this day for a very long time. To those who say this is the end of Ham radio is BUNK. This is supposed to be a hobby, a very serious hobby yes. Most CBers I knew wouldn't go into Ham radio because they would have to give up their "freedom" of cursing and talking trash. Dropping the code gives me a chance once I pass the General exam to expand my hobby to the fullest. Look, there has always been "good" and "bad" operators, this change allows more "good operators" to venture into the world. So to the FCC, thank you, to the skeptics, be listening for me.
you forgot to mention the anonymity of the CB. no one has a call lettter so they cant be identified and the FCC called on them for whatever. most CBers will not have anything to do with ham radio because they cant use anonymous "handles" i dont even like it when some hams ask me what my "handle" is and i tell them i dont have a 'handle" i have a name.

[KE7CSV]

Quote[/b] (WA0LYK @ Dec. 18 2006,20:57)]I read all the promises about upgrading so folks can TALK on HF as if this is an end to itself. #I suspect most are quickly going to tire of talking on HF. #If there are #hundreds of thousands of techs who are just waiting upgrade in order to talk on HF it seems funny to me that all this talking isn't taking place on their current bands. #2m should be full of folks on repeaters and simplex just talking! #Talking there isn't any different than on HF. #

Now I know there are folks who will talk to themselves if no one else is around and they just love the sound of their voice. #However, thankfully these folks are few and far between and won't have THAT much of an impact.

Since we are at a sunspot minimum, let me tell the tech boys and girls wanting to upgrade that it will be YEARS before a 100 watt station with a simple dipole will let you TALK at will on the higher HF bands. #This leaves the lower bands. #Antennas for these frequencies are a whole lot more complicated to hang and find space for than a simple old J-pole or even multi-element beam for 2m. #They are ugly and must be up pretty high. #No simple 5/8's wavelength vertical with some radials on a painters pole here. #You will also need to deal with RFI in phones, garage door openers, ethernet lans, home theaters, wi-fi routers, etc. and not just in your home but your neighbor's too.

I've got a sneaking suspicion that many of those who never learned morse code will also have problems doing the work involved in setting up an HF station that will be multi-banded and put out signals that are sufficient to allow them to TALK whenever and wherever they wish without causing RFI. #

It is ironic that overcoming many of these issues with CW/Morse Code is pretty easy to do. #You can run low power and have a good receiver and communicate all over the world. #

I guess we'll see how many are satisfied with simple talking and stay with it versus those who just think the grass is always greener somewhere else and become dissatisfied with HF too.

Jim
WA0LYk
Way to be outgoing and welcome new people into HAM radio.....

I first wanted to be a HAM when I was 12. I idolized the HAMs that I had seen at community events. I am shocked and disappointed as I continually read such blatantly rude posts on this website. Where are the HAMs that I idolized in my youth (not that long ago I'd like to point out)? If we as HAMs continue this piss-poor attitude towards new operators, the youngsters will no longer idolize us and HAM radio will no longer be a unique and interesting thing.

[N0ZWC]

Well, isnt' this interesting? Just look at all the refreshing activity this has created. It just might prove that computers really is another facet of HAM RADIO. I really would like to stick around and read some more of this...uh http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?.. whatever. I had better go, I have to study for an upgrade.

[KD8BZY]

Some of these posts are really sad to me. Over and over its like well, "now I can get on the air and learn what I don't have to learn before earning it first." Like that's a good thing!!! Hey, I'd like to get a doctor of medicine license too and be able to learn as I go instead of earning it up front. This new generation seems to want everything without working for it. Human nature is we appreciate those things we work for and earn and appreciate less those things not having to earn. I began in a mid era Ham radio fraternity and was QRT for many years until recently. I see a big difference now and see a bigger difference coming in near Ham radio future. This decision to do away with CW skill (5 WPM is nothing!!) is very bad. Say as you please newbies but CW is the foundation of Ham radio. If you don't know that you don't know much at all about what you want to get into. CW is where it all started and CW is VERY strong and NOT AT ALL obsolete.

Roger - KD8BZY
-------------------

[N0NCO]

Quote[/b] (n0zoa @ Dec. 18 2006,21:05)]Quote[/b] (WA0LYK @ Dec. 18 2006,20:57)]2m should be full of folks on repeaters and simplex just talking! Talking there isn't any different than on HF.

Since we are at a sunspot minimum, let me tell the tech boys and girls wanting to upgrade that it will be YEARS before a 100 watt station with a simple dipole will let you TALK at will on the higher HF bands. This leaves the lower bands. Antennas for these frequencies are a whole lot more complicated to hang and find space for than a simple old J-pole or even multi-element beam for 2m. They are ugly and must be up pretty high. No simple 5/8's wavelength vertical with some radials on a painters pole here. You will also need to deal with RFI in phones, garage door openers, ethernet lans, home theaters, wi-fi routers, etc. and not just in your home but your neighbor's too.

I've got a sneaking suspicion that many of those who never learned morse code will also have problems doing the work involved in setting up an HF station that will be multi-banded and put out signals that are sufficient to allow them to TALK whenever and wherever they wish without causing RFI.

It is ironic that overcoming many of these issues with CW/Morse Code is pretty easy to do. You can run low power and have a good receiver and communicate all over the world.

I guess we'll see how many are satisfied with simple talking and stay with it versus those who just think the grass is always greener somewhere else and become dissatisfied with HF too.

Jim
WA0LYk

WA0LYK,

Hmmm...

Sounds like you're just a trifle mis-informed about those of us who haven't passed a code test.

For the record, I'm on 2 & 6 meter SSB every day. We have a great 2 meter SSB net every Sunday, with 30 or more local check-ins, not even counting the deep-fringe & DX guys. I've yet to hear a bad operator on 2 meter SSB around here.

I'll have no problem operating on any HF band I choose to operate on. I think antennas are fun to design & tune. Grounding systems are fun, too. I try to always build a low-inductance single-point ground. I look forward to designing & erecting efficient, high-gain antennas for the new bands. I consider RFI as a fun challenge to solve - I've done it professionally for years. Low bands or high bands - I know how to properly design a station that can run high power while minimizing RFI. And, I also know how to solve the RFI issues if & when they do arise. As far as power goes, I can build a legal-limit amplifier & operate it safely, and cleanly. I already run a home-brew half-kW Pentode cavity-tuned tube amp on 2 meters, that I power with a home-brew 2.3 kV, 1-amp HV supply. I only fire it up when necessary to complete the contact.

Also, I'm confident that if I run into a problem I can't solve, there will be a fellow Ham I can learn from. After all, that's one of the core functions of a hobby or fraternity - helping each other!

Code is cool - if you enjoy it. If you do - great. Use it, and teach it to everyone willing to learn it. If you don't - that's just fine, as well. End of story, in my book. I can design a station that can run voice modes at most any legal power level without creating any RFI problems that I can't solve. So, I will be enjoying HF, even though we are at the bottom of the cycle.

But....those who don't have the experience & the knowledge will be relying on us to show them the ropes. Just like somebody did for us. I'll be there - will you?

Hope to meet up with you on the bands someday!

73....

N0NCO

[kx7n]

Quote[/b] (n2pet @ Dec. 16 2006,15:54)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH/ WAAAAAAHHHHHH/ Better call a Whambulance. Get over it!! Life is too short for whining about this subject. Merry Christmas/ Happy Hannukah/ Happy Kwansa. Good health to all in 07' and beyond! Most of all just enjoy the HOBBY.
Spoken like the minority that wanted the code requirement to go away! You will probably never know a proud moment in your miserable existance, like walking out of a 20 wpm test knowing you aced it!
I have been licensed for 27 years now and surely don't appreciate the changes for the whinning mass minority. Those with a college degree had to learn a second language, it was no more difficult that that, trust me!
The ARRL surely didn't do this hobby any favors and will lose my membership renewal next month, as I can see better places to put that money, like the tiolet!

[W3HR]

Humm... 5 wpm was "no code"!
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[N2MMM]

Quote[/b] (KE7CSV @ Dec. 18 2006,23:59)]Quote[/b] (WA0LYK @ Dec. 18 2006,20:57)]I read all the promises about upgrading so folks can TALK on HF as if this is an end to itself. #I suspect most are quickly going to tire of talking on HF. #If there are #hundreds of thousands of techs who are just waiting upgrade in order to talk on HF it seems funny to me that all this talking isn't taking place on their current bands. #2m should be full of folks on repeaters and simplex just talking! #Talking there isn't any different than on HF. #

Now I know there are folks who will talk to themselves if no one else is around and they just love the sound of their voice. #However, thankfully these folks are few and far between and won't have THAT much of an impact.

Since we are at a sunspot minimum, let me tell the tech boys and girls wanting to upgrade that it will be YEARS before a 100 watt station with a simple dipole will let you TALK at will on the higher HF bands. #This leaves the lower bands. #Antennas for these frequencies are a whole lot more complicated to hang and find space for than a simple old J-pole or even multi-element beam for 2m. #They are ugly and must be up pretty high. #No simple 5/8's wavelength vertical with some radials on a painters pole here. #You will also need to deal with RFI in phones, garage door openers, ethernet lans, home theaters, wi-fi routers, etc. and not just in your home but your neighbor's too.

I've got a sneaking suspicion that many of those who never learned morse code will also have problems doing the work involved in setting up an HF station that will be multi-banded and put out signals that are sufficient to allow them to TALK whenever and wherever they wish without causing RFI. #

It is ironic that overcoming many of these issues with CW/Morse Code is pretty easy to do. #You can run low power and have a good receiver and communicate all over the world. #

I guess we'll see how many are satisfied with simple talking and stay with it versus those who just think the grass is always greener somewhere else and become dissatisfied with HF too.

Jim
WA0LYk
Way to be outgoing and welcome new people into HAM radio.....

I first wanted to be a HAM when I was 12. #I idolized the HAMs that I had seen at community events. #I am shocked and disappointed as I continually read such blatantly rude posts on this website. Where are the HAMs that I idolized in my youth (not that long ago I'd like to point out)? If we as HAMs continue this piss-poor attitude towards new operators, the youngsters will no longer idolize us and HAM radio will no longer be a unique and interesting thing.
What's the problem with his post. Fact is, HF +IS+ a whole 'nother ball game. I know that I will need a 50' tower with a 40 meter inverted "V" antenna which will take up my entire side yard. This is the same setup my elmers both have and I am coming into this with eyes wide open. You aren't going to take a few feet of wire and load it up on 40m. As for the code, I just have to go down and take the test before it goes away, since I have practiced and gained proficency in the code. This R&O just gave me the kick in the butt I needed to go to the VE session. but overall, I'm glad that the code test is going away. But know this: You are going to need the help of a elmer who is experienced in HF operation.

[n9lya]

I believe it is not CODE that makes the ham.. It’s the Basting and pineapples, whoops wrong ham... lol But their human-relations skills.. It takes a great person to be a great ham and a bad person to be a bad ham.. I know both examples of Hams unfortunately and a few in-between...


What catagory are you in....


73 Jerry N9LYA http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[WA0LYK]

Quote[/b] (KE7CSV @ Dec. 18 2006,23:59)]Way to be outgoing and welcome new people into HAM radio.....

I first wanted to be a HAM when I was 12. I idolized the HAMs that I had seen at community events. I am shocked and disappointed as I continually read such blatantly rude posts on this website. Where are the HAMs that I idolized in my youth (not that long ago I'd like to point out)? If we as HAMs continue this piss-poor attitude towards new operators, the youngsters will no longer idolize us and HAM radio will no longer be a unique and interesting thing.
Hey, I'm sorry a few words that let you know how it is makes you feel unwelcome. Everything I've ever done worthwhile was usually started by receiving a "talk" at the beginning about how hard it is to do things right. I remember the first motor I rebuilt. The little talk I got from my father went in one ear and out the other. It was going to be sooooo easy. Yeah right. I remember the talk I received from an expert marksman about all the prep work required just to shoot 25 rounds accurately at a target. At least I knew how many hours were going to be spent weighing bullets, miking cases, turning and trimming cases, weighing powder, and RECORDING each and every detail for every shell and every shot.

Perhaps down deep you think an elmer is going to do the work for you. Please don't expect that, it is unfair to the elmer. An elmer is an advisor, the work is up to you. If you've got the gumption to research antennas, the will to figure out how to hang and tune a multiband antenna, and the discipline to live with the radiation pattern you get, then more power to you! You will be a real ham.

A little 'down to earth' discussion to reduce expectations at the start usually prevents a lot of dissatisfaction somewhere down the road. The comments that a lot of techs have made along the lines of "great, now I can get on HF and talk" just tells me how uninformed they are about the difficulties. A little straight talk might sound unwelcoming to you but it will also remove some unreasonable expectations. That's part of what an elmer is for, to bring you back to earth!

Jim
WA0LYK

[k4uva]

I've been a no code tech since '92. In 2005, I began contesting on VHF/UHF. Some of the same guys I contested with (Extras) asked me to join them for some of the HF phone contests. After the first time, I knew I wanted to learn code and upgrade. Unfortunately, I have a learning disability and have struggled with the code for a year now.

I plan on upgrading soon but I also plan to stick with the code, because in my opinion, and in the opinion of the guys who've elmered me long the way, every great contester needs to be able to tx and rx code.

Another thing I've learned is there's nothing wrong with being a no code tech. I'm in my second year of contesting with with stations that finish in the top 5 consistently. I'm glad those guys have taken time to teach me. That's what ham radio is about to me.

Happy Holidays!

[W3HR]

Quote[/b] ]I believe it is not CODE that makes the ham..... It takes a great person to be a great ham and a bad person to be a bad ham.... What catagory are you in.... #
Indeed. #

However, code was a requirement. #As such, it was mandatory to acquire that skill; regardless of the opinions of those who didn't want to place forth the effort to do so.

So, it's probably more appropriate to say certain hams have a spirit of abiding by the rules, while others also lobby to change rules they don't like. #That's life.

Abolishing the code requirement is not going to wildly increase our ranks; the no-code tech license proved that. #If you buy into the notion that code is outdated... then you should follow that to its logical conclusion: I submit that amateur radio is outdated. #With the Internet and cell phones readily accessible to the masses for a purchase price, why would anyone bother learning a bunch of questions and answers?

Bring on the NO TEST license!

[WA0LYK]

Quote[/b] (N0NCO @ Dec. 19 2006,02:48)]WA0LYK,

Hmmm...

Sounds like you're just a trifle mis-informed about those of us who haven't passed a code test.

For the record, I'm on 2 & 6 meter SSB every day. We have a great 2 meter SSB net every Sunday, with 30 or more local check-ins, not even counting the deep-fringe & DX guys. I've yet to hear a bad operator on 2 meter SSB around here.

I'll have no problem operating on any HF band I choose to operate on. I think antennas are fun to design & tune. Grounding systems are fun, too. I try to always build a low-inductance single-point ground. I look forward to designing & erecting efficient, high-gain antennas for the new bands. I consider RFI as a fun challenge to solve - I've done it professionally for years. Low bands or high bands - I know how to properly design a station that can run high power while minimizing RFI. And, I also know how to solve the RFI issues if & when they do arise. As far as power goes, I can build a legal-limit amplifier & operate it safely, and cleanly. I already run a home-brew half-kW Pentode cavity-tuned tube amp on 2 meters, that I power with a home-brew 2.3 kV, 1-amp HV supply. I only fire it up when necessary to complete the contact.

Also, I'm confident that if I run into a problem I can't solve, there will be a fellow Ham I can learn from. After all, that's one of the core functions of a hobby or fraternity - helping each other!

Code is cool - if you enjoy it. If you do - great. Use it, and teach it to everyone willing to learn it. If you don't - that's just fine, as well. End of story, in my book. I can design a station that can run voice modes at most any legal power level without creating any RFI problems that I can't solve. So, I will be enjoying HF, even though we are at the bottom of the cycle.

But....those who don't have the experience & the knowledge will be relying on us to show them the ropes. Just like somebody did for us. I'll be there - will you?

Hope to meet up with you on the bands someday!

73....

N0NCO
Sounds like you are on top of the game! That's great. At least you don't have unreasonable expectations about how easy it's going to be to have a good HF station. I'm afraid many of the current tech's aren't the same.

As I said in an earlier post, a little down to earth discussion hurts no one, especially those who have reasonable expectations to begin with.

I've done my share of helping new hams. However, over the years it seems more and more have an 'attitude'. They don't even know what they don't know yet seem to resent the fact that they need help. I think many of them are computer experts and are frustrated that HF systems are not just plug and play. They don't want to believe that you can't just go out and buy an antenna and throw it up in the air with skyhooks then plug it into the radio. How many newbies have responded to you "that the advertising says a vertical will work fine, and look it doesn't even need radials"?

Jim
WA0LYK

[WA3KYY]

Quote[/b] (WW2E @ Dec. 19 2006,00:09)]Wrong.

The FCC still issues the Second Class Radiotelegraph Operator's License, which requires a high-speed morse code exam. It is one of the primary credentials for radio officers aboard large commercial vessels. And like anything really good, it takes a ton of hard work to earn. Only 22 of these licenses were granted last year.
While what you post is true Phil, how many commercial sailing vessels require a Radio Officer to sail these days? How many commercial vessels even have a CW equipped radio room? Which countries still maintain a radio watch on the maritime CW frequencies?

The license may be available but it is not necessary for the average commercial sailing vessel any more.

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (n0zoa @ Dec. 17 2006,23:41)]i dont even like it when some hams ask me what my "handle" is and i tell them i dont have a 'handle" i have a name.
Actually, that's a term they "borrowed" from hams. And it means "name".

[w6em]

Quote[/b] (WA3KYY @ Dec. 18 2006,09:18)]Quote[/b] (WW2E @ Dec. 19 2006,00:09)]Wrong.

The FCC still issues the Second Class Radiotelegraph Operator's License, which requires a high-speed morse code exam. It is one of the primary credentials for radio officers aboard large commercial vessels. And like anything really good, it takes a ton of hard work to earn. Only 22 of these licenses were granted last year.
While what you post is true Phil, how many commercial sailing vessels require a Radio Officer to sail these days? #How many commercial vessels even have a CW equipped radio room? #Which countries still maintain a radio watch on the maritime CW frequencies?

The license may be available but it is not necessary for the average commercial sailing vessel any more.
The same can be said, too, for the old requirements that radio and tv station and mobile Part 90 two way shop techs had to have General Radiotelephone Operator Licenses.

Not so, today. Only marine radios and I think aviation.

So, why is the GROL license even still around? Is there any other 'standard test' of competency in telecomm maintenance and operations knowledge to match what was expected to obtain the license? I doubt it. And, it costs the employer or potential employer NOTHING to require same of prospective employees.

The license(s) are nice assets to have. I'd sure like to have a 2nd Class Radiotelegraph. I have heard that the exams are given by a VE or some contract arrangement.
Heck, I'm 60, and it sure would be fun to sit in a radio room on a voyage for a few weeks. In clear sailing conditions only, though.....

73,

[w6em]

Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Dec. 18 2006,09:33)]Quote[/b] (n0zoa @ Dec. 17 2006,23:41)]i dont even like it when some hams ask me what my "handle" is and i tell them i dont have a 'handle" i have a name.
Actually, that's a term they "borrowed" from hams. #And it means "name".
Thanks, JF, I needed that. I still even use the term on the local repeaters. Sometimes there's a bit of a reaction. :-)

[k8uv]

W6EM : Regarding who can give a 2nd Class Radiotelegraph test. I know W5YI has a section of VE's appointed just for that purpose. W5YI supplies all the paper work and exam documents. I have that certification but since being a VE for the last 16 years I have been approached or asked to perform a commerical test. I still am active as a ham VE and very much enjoy it.

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (N2MMM @ Dec. 18 2006,06:29)]You aren't going to take a few feet of wire and load it up on 40m.
Why not? I did... and got WAS with it and 40 watts.

And I'd love to help other do it. Novice was the most fun I ever had with ham radio.

[K4JF]

Quote[/b] (w6em @ Dec. 18 2006,08:39)]Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Dec. 18 2006,09:33)]Quote[/b] (n0zoa @ Dec. 17 2006,23:41)]i dont even like it when some hams ask me what my "handle" is and i tell them i dont have a 'handle" i have a name.
Actually, that's a term they "borrowed" from hams. #And it means "name".
Thanks, JF, I needed that. #I still even use the term on the local repeaters. #Sometimes there's a bit of a reaction. #:-)
You're welcome, Lee. Actually, back in the 60s when I used CB, when they asked my handle I always said "Jim". It's the fake handle used to hide lawlessness that is the problem.

[K2WH]

Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Dec. 19 2006,03:46)]Quote[/b] (w6em @ Dec. 18 2006,08:39)]Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Dec. 18 2006,09:33)]Quote[/b] (n0zoa @ Dec. 17 2006,23:41)]i dont even like it when some hams ask me what my "handle" is and i tell them i dont have a 'handle" i have a name.
Actually, that's a term they "borrowed" from hams. #And it means "name".
Thanks, JF, I needed that. #I still even use the term on the local repeaters. #Sometimes there's a bit of a reaction. #:-)
You're welcome, Lee. #Actually, back in the 60s when I used CB, when they asked my handle I always said "Jim". #It's the fake handle used to hide lawlessness that is the problem.
Absolutely right. I have never used the word "Handle" and never will. I say the same thing, when asked for my handle, I say "My name is Bill".

K2WH

[k5co]

I have no intention to ever renew my ARRL membership. We have been sold out so that ARRL can sell more advertising and magazines because they expect a lot of new hams. Wait until they discover that a no code ham is not a ham and won't be able to read their (dull) magazine. Do they think they can sell books to CB'ers? What we will now see is CB expanding to all of the ham bands and just watch it spiral out of control over the next few years. The FCC can't inforce CB and it won't have any control over the new "hams' either.

[wb9eck]

The FCC actually did something. Where's my calendar? I have to write this down. The FCC did something.

[k5keg]

Have no fear...it will all come out on wash day. I have no beef with anyone; there are plenty of modes/bands to play on. #I'll just carry on as usual.

73's to all....no coders.....know coders.....we're all hams, and should act like it. #Ken

[k5keg]

Have no fear...it will all come out on wash day. I have no beef with anyone; there are plenty of modes/bands to play on. I'll just carry on as usual.

73's to all....no coders.....know coders.....we're all hams, and should act like it. Ken

[K7JEM]

Quote[/b] (k5co @ Dec. 19 2006,08:07)]I have no intention to ever renew my ARRL membership. We have been sold out so that ARRL can sell more advertising and magazines because they expect a lot of new hams. Wait until they discover that a no code ham is not a ham and won't be able to read their (dull) magazine. Do they think they can sell books to CB'ers? What we will now see is CB expanding to all of the ham bands and just watch it spiral out of control over the next few years. The FCC can't inforce CB and it won't have any control over the new "hams' either.
Why would anyone think that a code test will make someone a better reader? This boggles the mind. More FUD.

Joe

[AA8X]

Quote[/b] (K4JF @ Dec. 18 2006,14:20)]Quote[/b] (k3roj @ Dec. 17 2006,15:13)]Many amateur radio operators are now going to boycott the ARRL including myself. #Losing morse code will be the death of amateur radio ........
And why? #ARRL tried to keep it, at least for Extra, which is what I and a majority of the members they polled said.

Why would you be down on an organization that did what its members requested?
What do you expect, the FCC, like the U. S. Customs and Border Protection agencies are worthless bureaucracies.

[w0vu]

Quote[/b] (WA0LYK @ Dec. 17 2006,21:57)]I read all the promises about upgrad