Morse Code Eliminated by FCC

[AA7BQ]

FCC MODIFIES AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE RULES,
ELIMINATING MORSE CODE EXAM REQUIREMENTS AND
ADDRESSING ARRL PETITION FOR RECONSIDERATION

Washington, D.C. – Today, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) adopted a Report and Order and Order on Reconsideration (Order) that modifies the rules for the Amateur Radio Service by revising the examination requirements for obtaining a General Class or Amateur Extra Class amateur radio operator license and revising the operating privileges for Technician Class licensees. In addition, the Order resolves a petition filed by the American Radio Relay League, Inc. (ARRL) for partial reconsideration of an FCC Order on amateur service rules released on October 10, 2006.

The current amateur service operator license structure contains three classes of amateur radio operator licenses: Technician Class, General Class, and Amateur Extra Class. General Class and Amateur Extra Class licensees are permitted to operate in Amateur bands below 30 MHz, while the introductory Technician Class licensees are only permitted to operate in bands above 30 MHz. Prior to today’s action, the FCC, in accordance with international radio regulations, required applicants for General Class and Amateur Extra Class operator licenses to pass a five words-per-minute Morse code examination.

Today’s Order eliminates that requirement for General and Amateur Extra licensees. This change reflects revisions to international radio regulations made at the International Telecommunication Union’s 2003 World Radio Conference (WRC-03), which authorized each country to determine whether to require that individuals demonstrate Morse code proficiency in order to qualify for an amateur radio license with transmitting privileges on frequencies below 30 MHz. This change eliminates an unnecessary regulatory burden that may discourage current amateur radio operators from advancing their skills and participating more fully in the benefits of amateur radio.

Today’s Order also revises the operating privileges for Technician Class licensees by eliminating a disparity in the operating privileges for the Technician Class and Technician Plus Class licensees. Technician Class licensees are authorized operating privileges on all amateur frequencies above 30 MHz. The Technician Plus Class license, which is an operator license class that existed prior the FCC’s simplification of the amateur license structure in 1999 and was grandfathered after that time, authorized operating privileges on all amateur frequencies above 30 MHz, as well as frequency segments in four HF bands (below 30 MHz) after the successful completion of a Morse code examination. With today’s elimination of the Morse code exam requirements, the FCC concluded that the disparity between the operating privileges of Technician Class licensees and Technician Plus Class licensees should not be retained. Therefore, the FCC, in today’s action, afforded Technician and Technician Plus licensees identical operating privileges.

Finally, today’s Order resolved a petition filed by the ARRL for partial reconsideration of an FCC Order released on October 10, 2006 (FCC 06-149). In this Order, the FCC authorized amateur stations to transmit voice communications on additional frequencies in certain amateur service bands, including the 75 meter (m) band, which is authorized only for certain wideband voice and image communications. The ARRL argued that the 75 m band should not have been expanded below 3635 kHz, in order to protect automatically controlled digital stations operating in the 3620-3635 kHz portion of the 80 m band. The FCC concluded that these stations can be protected by providing alternate spectrum in the 3585-3600 kHz frequency segment.

Action by the Commission on December 15, 2006, by Report and Order and Order on Reconsideration. Chairman Martin and Commissioners Copps, Adelstein, Tate, and McDowell.

For additional information, contact William Cross at (202) 418-0691 or William.Cross@fcc.gov.
WT Docket Nos. 04-140 and 05-235.
– FCC –

News and other information about the Federal Communications Commission
is available at www.fcc.gov.

[KE5FRF]

Me first!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[kd6fyk]

Finally,common sense shall rule.
Our NCT,15 year wait is almost over.

[n5ntg]

My "extra" wife, Pat AD5BR, #who heads one of the local club's VE teams found this about 3 hours ago. I've been happily sharing it with the various email lists (if nobody beat me to it) and posted to a couple of web sites that I have control over. #

I predict that starting around the end of January or in February, the VE Teams around the USA better stock up on CSCE and General License testing materials. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I also predict that radio manufacturers will be having a sale on HF rigs in near future, if stock holds up, or there will be a rise in the cost and scarcity in supply of such.

But look at the bright side... This ought to make us a larger pool of hams to pull from during emergencies when we need HF operators, if we train them properly.

Remember: It's not the class of license an Amateur holds, it's the class of the Amateur who holds the license that matters.

We just need to work on improving the class of Amateurs...

'73 de Lee N5NTG
Webmaster for SanAntonioHams.org (http://www.SanAntonioHams.org)

[n8fq]

This is gonna be good. Flame on!
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[AL2O]

et tu brute,seen this years ago. gl,73,art

[kd5scf]

Quote[/b] (n8fq @ Dec. 15 2006,23:53)]This is gonna be good. Flame on!
http://www.geniusdv.com/weblog/archives/day_flame.gif
In the words of an old Budweiser commercial...True...True

[w4hlk]

Are they saying what I think they are? Code is no longer a part of the test? I can see HF going the way of other bands. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[kb8mcz]

HERE COMES THE CHICKEN BAND!!!!

[NI5W]

We all knew it was coming sooner or later....sigh...goes to show that amateurs are not listened to at all. 5 wpm is slow.. and a lil code never hurt anyone. Besides, comes through better during bad band conditions

[KE5FRF]

Get ready for the LONGEST MESSAGE THREAD IN QRZ.COM HISTORY.

Fred, are your servers up to the task?

Oh, yes, that's right, you upgraded them a few months back.

You are one smart fellow!

[W1LWT]

YES Its about time. We dont drive Model T's any more yes the radio world will improve. Better greater than ever. And new stuff comeing to the market. Alrighty than. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KL7FZ]

The saddest day in the history of Amateur radio. All that is left now is petition the FCC to change the name to "Citizen's Band Radio Service" and put 11 meters back in the allocations.
For over 45 years I was proud to say I was an Amateur Radio Operator. Now I am almost ashamed to tell anyone I am a part of it.
Very sad. And my new amp just came in the mail today.
Maybe I'll just take out the tubes and plant flowers in
the holes.
73
KL7FZ

[ka2pborick]

Breaker Breaker 19.....Im gonna go get me one of them there ham radio sets good buddy!!!!No more of that there Morse code stuff.All I gotta do is memorize a few questions and I can be worldwide ..no doubt!!!!

[n0doz]

WooHoo! Finally!
Thank you to all who helped the FCC decide to move into the 21st century.

[K7JEM]

What a bunch of whiners! And Charlie thought the no-coders were bad. He's going to have a field day with these guys.

Joe

[ny1t]

Licenses will be next. Not that I have any problem with the removal of the code requirement, I just think it should be replaced with some other skill. But with the teaching the test, there is no reason to have a test.
I work at a place that requires a GROL. I know people with their GROL that don't know what Ohms law is. One guy missed the test by one question and wanted to sue the examiner because of how he interpreted their rules, he should have passed. Galen

[n4fz]

Quote[/b] (W1LWT @ Dec. 15 2006,23:10)]YES Its about time. We dont drive Model T's any more yes the radio world will improve. Better greater than ever. And new stuff comeing to the market. Alrighty than. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
[/QUOTE] Yeah, and they are called "Cell phones" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KB4YKJ]

Here comes all the crying and tear jerking about the demise of ham radio. I lived through the crying when code dropped from 13wpm to 5, then I lived through the crying when the first no code license arrived and surprise, surprise we have survived and so has ham radio. Morse code has been holding back many qualified operators. Some literally cannot comprehend it, others refused to study for something they would never use. I took 5wpm in 1971, then took 13wpm in 1973, then took 5wpm in 1986 to get another license since I let my first one lapse past the grace period. Except for the 3 times I used code to pass a test I have never used code while operating on a radio because I had no desire to.

I do wish they had kept it in force for the Extra license but that is all in the past now. Next we see who acts like the new no code licensees are inferior.

[w5tlv]

Well, it seems that it's all getting back to the way it used to be afterall.. Years of band and privilege changes and nothing has really changed. Since the tech amateur now has the same operating privileges as the tech plus amateur, why not finish the job and merge the advanced class operators with the extra class operators http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?? This will complete the cycle !!! Advanced class amateurs have earned an upgrade too.

W5TLV

[ke6oud]

Ok, now somebody clue me in here....
I've passed my written General 2 months ago & am 3/4 way thru on doing my 5 wpm code. Am I now just wasting my time trying to do the CW test? Do I need to re-do a new General written? Should I just start studying for my extra? I'm confused now.....
I did want to pass the 5 wpm just so no one can whine my ticket was handed to me. And besides, what if someday I get in a bad accident & not able to speak or write to communicate but can tap out CW?

73, Charlie KE6OUD
(Merry Christmas to all!)

[kd6fyk]

Such optimisim!!!!!!!

Now the crybabies come out.

Cant you get over change?

[ky5u]

Come on guys, the fat lady has sung....

[KB4YKJ]

Quote[/b] (ke6oud @ Dec. 15 2006,23:19)]Ok, now somebody clue me in here....
I've passed my written General 2 months ago & am 3/4 way thru on doing my 5 wpm code. Am I now just wasting my time trying to do the CW test? Do I need to re-do a new General written? Should I just start studying for my extra? I'm confused now.....
I did want to pass the 5 wpm just so no one can whine my ticket was handed to me. And besides, what if someday I get in a bad accident & not able to speak or write to communicate but can tap out CW?

73, Charlie KE6OUD
(Merry Christmas to all!)
You are now a full fledged General as soon as it is published in the federal register which normally 30 days. If you wish to learn it for the personal satisfaction you can because there are still bands alloted to code. All of the no code Techs just become equal to tech plus and can now talk 28.300-28.500 legally. Enjoy.

[w4hlk]

This is inconceivable. How could they just sneak this in under the radar? I know there are a lot of people out there that that will make great hams, but they have just opened up Pandora’s box. How can they do this? It’s like taking down the gate. The gate was flimsy and could be easy over run, but it was a gate. This we knew was coming but they sneaked it in the dark of night under the reveling few that made general and were proud of it. Now the legions come to undermine the miniscule efforts of the few that did try 5Wpm. So here we stand at the end of amateur radio. In the years coming they will say “It’s out of control we should give the frequency to the commercial services.”


How could they do this to us???
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[N7YA]

Steve! NO!! #Give it to me, i still like ham radio...I think we'll be fine. i only hear nastiness from old extras and advanced people on SSB for the last 25 years of my hobby experience...so i usually hang out on CW and rarely hear any nastiness there.

CW is not going away, nothing will change, i dont believe its the agenda of new hams to take a test to destroy ham radio...i just dont think it will be the end of the world. People in general will change as human beings and become less considerate and courteous, its people...not a hobby.

I agree with the earlier post...get ready for a LOOOOONG thread of emotional outpouring.

I think the last 15 years of this debate has hurt us more than the subject itself...we look like a bunch of whiny sissies arguing about something that wont harm us physically or financially...its a hobby, a hobby i love, but its still just a hobby. #aaah, you guys dont care, let the brutal attacks and hatred continue.

Anyway, nice to see you, Steve.

73...Adam, N7YA

[ka2pborick]

So what happens now if a hurricane hits some little country somewhere and the only ham on the island is sending distress signals in CW???
This is typical of modern day America .We are becoming lazier and dumber.We lower our standards until everyone can pass or becomes equal.Its the same of our school systems and our youth sports programs .Everyone who participates gets a trophy even if your kid sucks!!!The poor fools who have talent or put in the extra effort are brought down to the lazy loads level!Socialism at its best!!!

[kd5scf]

10 meter band is gonna get busy...lol! And testing locations are going to have to find a few more chairs!

Time to break out those titanium umbrellas...the sky is falling...bigtime!

[k9ekg]

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 15 2006,23:11)]The saddest day in the history of Amateur radio. All that is left now is petition the FCC to change the name to "Citizen's Band Radio Service" and put 11 meters back in the allocations.
For over 45 years I was proud to say I was an Amateur Radio Operator. Now I am almost ashamed to tell anyone I am a part of it.
Very sad. And my new amp just came in the mail today.
Maybe I'll just take out the tubes and plant flowers in #
the holes.
73
KL7FZ
OH BOO HOO! Get over yourself....

[k0cba]

5 wpm WAS NO CODE!!
But it looks like whinning, crying, yelling "gimme, gimme, gimme" has finally paid off. # #The no gumption pus heads 1, ham radio 0.

[N7YA]

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 15 2006,23:11)]The saddest day in the history of Amateur radio. All that is left now is petition the FCC to change the name to "Citizen's Band Radio Service" and put 11 meters back in the allocations.
For over 45 years I was proud to say I was an Amateur Radio Operator. Now I am almost ashamed to tell anyone I am a part of it.
Very sad. And my new amp just came in the mail today.
Maybe I'll just take out the tubes and plant flowers in #
the holes.
73
KL7FZ
Ok, maybe it would help if i had actually hit the "quote" button so you guys know what im saying....

[K7JEM]

Quote[/b] (KB4YKJ @ Dec. 15 2006,23:21)]Quote[/b] (ke6oud @ Dec. 15 2006,23:19)]Ok, now somebody clue me in here....
I've passed my written General 2 months ago & am 3/4 way thru on doing my 5 wpm code. Am I now just wasting my time trying to do the CW test? Do I need to re-do a new General written? Should I just start studying for my extra? I'm confused now.....
I did want to pass the 5 wpm just so no one can whine my ticket was handed to me. And besides, what if someday I get in a bad accident & not able to speak or write to communicate but can tap out CW?

73, Charlie KE6OUD
(Merry Christmas to all!)
You are now a full fledged General. All of the no code Techs just become equal to tech plus and can now talk 28.300-28.500 legally. Enjoy.
Not quite.

The rules won't take effect for maybe 60 days. If you really want to pass the code, do it now. You will be one of the last "code tested" amateurs in the US.

If you don't want to take the code, wait until the new rules kick in. Then take your CSCE to a VE session, and turn it in for a general ticket.

You WILL NOT automatically become a general. You have to make the move AFTER the rule change, or take the code test between now and then.

Either way, good luck.

Joe

[N7TGB]

Quote[/b] (KB4YKJ @ Dec. 15 2006,22:21)]Quote[/b] (ke6oud @ Dec. 15 2006,23:19)]Ok, now somebody clue me in here....
I've passed my written General 2 months ago & am 3/4 way thru on doing my 5 wpm code. Am I now just wasting my time trying to do the CW test? Do I need to re-do a new General written? Should I just start studying for my extra? I'm confused now.....
I did want to pass the 5 wpm just so no one can whine my ticket was handed to me. And besides, what if someday I get in a bad accident & not able to speak or write to communicate but can tap out CW?

73, Charlie #KE6OUD
(Merry Christmas to all!)
You are now a full fledged General. #All of the no code Techs just become equal to tech plus and can now talk 28.300-28.500 legally. #Enjoy.

You still have to wait 30 days after it is published in the federal register.

RIchard, N7TGB

[KC8ZON]

Well i don't think its gonna be as bad as a few of you are makeing it out to be they still have to take a test to get there which is gonna be harder than what we took with the code ,,,, plus you can still cw your hearts away and they can't talk to you ...... either way you all knew it was gonna happen when the rest of the world ditched it as a requirment i myself think they shoulda kept it for the extra class but i'm not them ..... the should have kept it due to it being part of history as well as other reasons but oh well life is all about changes so heres one for ya ....73's see ya all on the cw portion of the bands de kc8zon:D

[kd6fyk]

If one does not like the rule change maybe they should leave the hobby and the forum.

[kb9tmp]

Quote[/b] (ke6oud @ Dec. 16 2006,01:19)](SNIP)
I did want to pass the 5 wpm just so no one can whine my ticket was handed to me. And besides, what if someday I get in a bad accident & not able to speak or write to communicate but can tap out CW?

73, Charlie KE6OUD
(Merry Christmas to all!)
Charlie
If you ask around I'm sure some of the OF's in your area would be more than happy to give you an 'unofficial' code test. If you lived around here, I would be more than willing to help you out.

[AK6E]

I think that in the end this is best for amature radio. Think of all the people out there that have electronics background and work on repeater systems and and have not been able to work the HF bands. Those type of individuals are needed in amature radio. We will see if this brings more people into ham radio. My opinion is that with the technology changes such as computers, cell phones etc..we are not going to see as many people join the ranks of ham radio as all of you think. I think it is still an issue of wanting to do this hobby, not because code was blocking the way of interest. I enjoy operating higher speed cw on HF and guys like me will always be out there to qso with but i also understand its not everybodys cup of tea. As a VE examineer i think that the extra class license ( only ) should have remained with a cw code requirment of at least five wpm to have an acknoledge of achievement. Moral of the story is do what interest you in ham radio and have fun with it.
Steve AK6E

[KC8ZON]

oh and another thing if i was you all who are studing CW continue on cause there will be alot of us still useing it and if you learn it you can talk to us too and not be lost and if you passed your gen written and workin on your code part still do it wether its needed or not you can still take it no need to put in time and effort to learn what ya got to just throw it away .... knowledge is power

[KC2ESD]

OMG I'm in shock. I'm out of Wine now I'm hitting the Beer. This news came out of the blue with out a warning.
Rick KC2ESD

[N5UV]

This is not inconceivable at all...in fact, it's about time this happened. #So what, a bunch of new hams can get on HF...HF has been losing activity over the last 10 years, kept alive only by contests on the weekend and net activities. #I used to be able to get on 15m at ANY time of the day back in the early 90s and work just about anyone on the band...not so much this last solar peak. #Hell, there used to be a time where there was NO room on 75m voice above 3750 Kcs...now, even before they opened up SSB to 3600 Kcs, I could find an open spot for calling CQ.

We need fresh meat on the bands, and it's better to do it now when the solar cycle is at a minimum. #Ham radio survived the Technician class changes, "dumbing down" of the test, and lowering of code speed...and it will certainly survive this change too.

Go ahead and make your barbarians-at-the-gates comments now, we've heard it all before...but you might as well have one more, last good cry over this while you can...I won't

[YB2TJV]

Even it's not related direct to me, but I'm vy sad to hear this.
The question is "WHY"?

[N7TGB]

Quote[/b] (N7YA @ Dec. 15 2006,22:25)]Steve! NO!! #Give it to me, i still like ham radio...I think we'll be fine. i only hear nastiness from old extras and advanced people on SSB for the last 25 years of my hobby experience...so i usually hang out on CW and rarely hear any nastiness there.

CW is not going away, nothing will change, i dont believe its the agenda of new hams to take a test to destroy ham radio...i just dont think it will be the end of the world. People in general will change as human beings and become less considerate and courteous, its people...not a hobby.

I agree with the earlier post...get ready for a LOOOOONG thread of emotional outpouring.

I think the last 15 years of this debate has hurt us more than the subject itself...we look like a bunch of whiny sissies arguing about something that wont harm us physically or financially...its a hobby, a hobby i love, but its still just a hobby. #aaah, you guys dont care, let the brutal attacks and hatred continue.

Anyway, nice to see you, Steve.

73...Adam, N7YA

My feeling is that with the increased number of Hams on HF, there will be more use of code, not less.

Richard, N7TGB

[k8cpa]

This is truly a sad day in Amateur Radio. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

This Kenwood 950 can sit and ROT for all I care. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Truly, Truly Sad. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

73 DE K8CPA

-Chuck

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (YC2TJV @ Dec. 16 2006,01:41)]Even it's not related direct to me, but I'm vy sad to hear this.
The question is "WHY"?
Hello YC station!

Well, as a member of the international amateur radio community, you must be aware that the international regulations changed recently, and the FCC in the US is just following suit. It is purely a REGULATORY decision. It frees up resources within our government and cuts down on paperwork.

That is the black and white no nonsense reason, like it or not.

[k4wde]

Alrighty now! I've been waiting for years for this. Now you guys have lost your best thing. What you argue for. Like we lost our favorite enemy: the USSR. Look what we have now, a bunch of whining terrorists. Bah, who wants em. Not worthy of our sword.

Now........ what I've really been waiting for...............

WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU ALL GOING TO ARGUE ABOUT?

********RIP: Code/No-code 2007*******

I'll lay odds right now, within the week, that NCT in it's victory throes will become.............


Wait for it...........................


Longer................................


a little longer.....................


just a little longer.......................


NTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(N)o (T)est at (A)ll

May the bird of Paradise fly up the arse of the next one
who starts a code/no-code thread!

[ke6oud]

Quote[/b] (KB4YKJ @ Dec. 15 2006,23:21)]You are now a full fledged General. #All of the no code Techs just become equal to tech plus and can now talk 28.300-28.500 legally. #Enjoy.
So, in other words.....
All HF bands in the General Class section of 10-160 meters?
Kinda a pity...I had mixed feelings about losing the morse requirement but then again, who am I to say.
Thanks for the info Ron & 73...
Charlie #KE6OUD

[K7JEM]

Quote[/b] (ke6oud @ Dec. 15 2006,23:53)]Quote[/b] (KB4YKJ @ Dec. 15 2006,23:21)]You are now a full fledged General. All of the no code Techs just become equal to tech plus and can now talk 28.300-28.500 legally. Enjoy.
So, in other words.....
All HF bands in the General Class section of 10-160 meters?
Kinda a pity...I had mixed feelings about losing the morse requirement but then again, who am I to say.
Thanks for the info Ron & 73...
Charlie KE6OUD
You'll be a general when you have a license that says "general" on it, or at least have turned in your paperwork, and waited for the rule change.

You will have no additional privileges before then.

Joe

[KB4YKJ]

Quote[/b] (N7TGB @ Dec. 15 2006,23:32)]Quote[/b] (KB4YKJ @ Dec. 15 2006,22:21)]Quote[/b] (ke6oud @ Dec. 15 2006,23:19)]Ok, now somebody clue me in here....
I've passed my written General 2 months ago & am 3/4 way thru on doing my 5 wpm code. Am I now just wasting my time trying to do the CW test? Do I need to re-do a new General written? Should I just start studying for my extra? I'm confused now.....
I did want to pass the 5 wpm just so no one can whine my ticket was handed to me. And besides, what if someday I get in a bad accident & not able to speak or write to communicate but can tap out CW?

73, Charlie KE6OUD
(Merry Christmas to all!)
You are now a full fledged General. All of the no code Techs just become equal to tech plus and can now talk 28.300-28.500 legally. Enjoy.

You still have to wait 30 days after it is published in the federal register.

RIchard, N7TGB
I put that in. Didn't read the final product before I hit submit

[ke6oud]

Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Dec. 15 2006,23:56)]Quote[/b] (ke6oud @ Dec. 15 2006,23:53)]Quote[/b] (KB4YKJ @ Dec. 15 2006,23:21)]You are now a full fledged General. #All of the no code Techs just become equal to tech plus and can now talk 28.300-28.500 legally. #Enjoy.
So, in other words.....
All HF bands in the General Class section of 10-160 meters?
Kinda a pity...I had mixed feelings about losing the morse requirement but then again, who am I to say.
Thanks for the info Ron & 73...
Charlie #KE6OUD
You'll be a general when you have a license that says "general" on it, or at least have turned in your paperwork, and waited for the rule change.

You will have no additional privileges before then.

Joe
Ok, I've got it now & thanks for the help from Bill & the others to clarify on this...I'll just keep on it & hope to pass before the rule changes...

73, Charlie #KE6OUD

[ai0u]

What did you expect after the cw portion was opened up for phone use?

[kc0kbc]

Quote[/b] ]My feeling is that with the increased number of Hams on HF, there will be more use of code, not less.

Richard, N7TGB

My feelings exactly. Everyone who feels this is the death of Amateur Radio offends me, because it makes the assumption that every new ham (like me) is a CB'er, an idiot, a dolt who knows nothing about the service and has no respect for its traditions. Have a little faith, people.

I'm a new no-code Tech, as of mid-September. I had set myself a goal to become a General - or at least to get the Element 1 passed - before this happened. Due to a death in the family halfway across the country, my schedule got pushed out. But the point is, I'm afraid now that me and others like me will forever be considered "CB'ers Lite" because of our status at this point in time.

I'm as disappointed in this decision as anyone, and I can assure you I will persue code proficiency (at a whole lot higher than 5wpm) regardless. I've talked personally with other Techs in my area who feel the same way. Just today I enrolled in a 10-week class starting in January to begin the process of becoming code proficient. The primary reason I chose this particular class is that it will be taught by a guy who has been a ham since they invented dirt; this may be the best opportunity I ever have to learn from someone who has done it all. Those plans will not change after today.

While I disagree with the decision, it isn't the automatic death of Amateur radio. It all depends on the new folks coming into the activity, and how everyone continues to portray the tradition, importance, and especially the technical merits of code. I have the utmost respect for the traditions of Amateur, the hurdles you more seasoned Amateurs had to overcome, and the astonishing amount of technical knowledge you posess. I only ask that us new guys be given the chance to prove that we aren't all a bunch of CB'ers, and that many of us have a strong interest in helping to hand your stories down to future generations.

Please, don't put folks like me in a position where we have to apologize for the rest of our lives because we only recently came into your avocation.

73,
Mike, KC0KBC

[KB4YKJ]

Quote[/b] (ke6oud @ Dec. 15 2006,23:53)]Quote[/b] (KB4YKJ @ Dec. 15 2006,23:21)]You are now a full fledged General. All of the no code Techs just become equal to tech plus and can now talk 28.300-28.500 legally. Enjoy.
So, in other words.....
All HF bands in the General Class section of 10-160 meters?
Kinda a pity...I had mixed feelings about losing the morse requirement but then again, who am I to say.
Thanks for the info Ron & 73...
Charlie KE6OUD
You do have to wait 30 days for it to be published in the federal register. I thought I put that in, hit submit and forgot about it. Nothing happens till it hits that register. I would continue learning the code if you have gone this far just for the satisfaction of knowing you didn't waste your time.

[kf4nni]

I Just worked my @#$ off for the last 2 months to get my 5wpm and my general today and they go off and do this not to sound ungratfull Im glad I got it but it could have saves me alot of grief on this thing if i knew this was going to happen this quick http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[kc0kbc]

KF4NNI, I envy you - I'd give anything to have passed the test today! Your effort was well worth it!

73,
Mike, KC0KBC

[KI6ADA]

Well first of all am I excited?? YYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

Check all my earlier posts and I predicated Santa would bring me a present.

I will gladly stand in line at the next VEC session with my $14 Bucks.

Merry Christmas to those of us who practiced lots of patience!

73, KI6ADA or Kilo India Six Alpha Delta Alpha!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KC8VWM]

Recaps:

"Prior to today’s action, the FCC, in accordance with international radio regulations, required applicants for General Class and Amateur Extra Class operator licenses to pass a five words-per-minute Morse code examination. #Today’s Order eliminates that requirement for General and Amateur Extra licensees."

"Today’s Order eliminates that requirement (CW) for General and Amateur Extra licensees. "

"The FCC, in today’s action, afforded Technician and Technician Plus licensees identical operating privileges." #

"Today’s Order resolved a petition filed by the ARRL for partial reconsideration of an FCC Order released on October 10, 2006 (FCC 06-149). "

Seems they got quite a bit done.


Where in the FCC order released today does it say anything about it not taking effect for 30 days as one post suggested?

This is going to have to be the very first thing that's clarified otherwise this recent R&O release will surely create additional confusion.

The ARRL or other newswothy entity (FRED are you reading this?) needs to clarify the "When and Where" details very clearly in a news release as soon as possible before chaos surrounding this fact occurs.

Of course, there will be many questions such as if you have a general written does that now make you a general if the code test no longer exists? .... Or then again does it still exist? What if I went to a VE tommorow to do a CW test, is it still a requirement?

According to this R&O the answer seems to be "NO"

Let me Quote:

"Today’s Order eliminates that requirement (CW) for General and Amateur Extra licensees. "

So.... does this quote mean today or at a later time ??

73 Charles - KC8VWM

[N5DUX]

I guess all the NCT "hold-outs" can stop holding their breath finally.
http://www.n5dux.com/macros/old_timer-angry.jpg

(Just wanting to get in on this otherwise "historic" thread. It's bound to be one of the longest.)

As a new VE, I too would like some clarification. Tomorrow we have our 2nd testing session in our area. I'm sure January's testing session will be full of upgrades.

[n7zsd]

To all those who think this is the end of Amateur Radio as we know it:

I passed the 5wpm requirement because it was needed to get me on HF. #No big deal. #But I hardly ever use CW. #Don't get me wrong, CW is a cool mode, it's just not my thing. #Those who enjoy CW will continue to use CW, and I respect them for their skill and dedication. #If and when a NCT wants to join in a CW QSO, he will have to learn CW to do so. #Dropping the code requirement is NOT going to destroy ham radio. #In fact, I feel we can use some new blood. #In case some people haven't noticed, the younger generation of hams are some sharp guys and gals. #I think they will have alot to offer to the hobby. #Some of the worst behavior I have ever heard on the radio was on 75 meters...by two Extra Class ticket holders no less. #So don't sit there and tell me that NCT's are going to ruin the hobby...that is a load of crap and we all know it! #As a good friend of mine said.."Perhaps instead of 5 wpm morse code, we should test on proficiency with digital modes, but that would be forcing one aspect of Amateur Radio down everybody's throat. #Hmmm..." http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[N7YA]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 15 2006,23:21)]Come on guys, the fat lady has sung....
Whoa! he looks pregnant...

[KC8VWM]

I am going to miss all the Code / No Code debates we used to have...
What are we going to argue about? (Shrug) ..That's all I know.

[wu5e]

WELL WELL, The day has arrived, now stop whining! pick up the mike or the key and have fun and don't worry about it. Oh if you have the old rigs, you might want to shine them up be cause there are many many techs now that will wanting to buy a radios. OH what if the YL got you a HT for Christmas! You going to take it back? hehehehe.

Jim
WU5E
YI9E

IN IRAQ, CW,PACTOR,PSK31, SSB

[K7JEM]

Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Dec. 16 2006,00:25)]Recaps:

"Prior to today’s action, the FCC, in accordance with international radio regulations, required applicants for General Class and Amateur Extra Class operator licenses to pass a five words-per-minute Morse code examination. Today’s Order eliminates that requirement for General and Amateur Extra licensees."

"Today’s Order eliminates that requirement (CW) for General and Amateur Extra licensees. "

"The FCC, in today’s action, afforded Technician and Technician Plus licensees identical operating privileges."

"Today’s Order resolved a petition filed by the ARRL for partial reconsideration of an FCC Order released on October 10, 2006 (FCC 06-149). "

Seems they got quite a bit done.


Where in the FCC order released today does it say anything about it not taking effect for 30 days as one post suggested?

This is going to have to be the very first thing that's clarified otherwise this recent R&O release will surely create additional confusion.

The ARRL or other newswothy entity needs to clarify the "When and Where" details very clearly in a news release as soon as possible before chaos surrounding this fact occurs.

Of course, there will be many questions such as if you have a general written does that now make you a general if the code test no longer exists? .... Or then again does it still exist? What if I went to a VE tommorow to do a CW test, is it still a requirement?

According to this R&O the answer seems to be "NO"

Let me Quote:

"Today’s Order eliminates that requirement (CW) for General and Amateur Extra licensees. "

So.... does this quote mean today or at a later time ??

73 Charles - KC8VWM
All rule changes are done by R&O (unless emergency). The R&O has to be published in the federal register. That is the official publication of the new rules. Right now, it's just unofficial, but real.

The rule becomes law 30 days AFTER the publication date. Since it may take 3 to 5 weeks to get it published, this is likely to be about 50-70 days from now.

No-one become a new license class until they have done the paperwork for an upgrade. The fact that you have passed the general written doesn't make you a general. Currently, the code is still required. After the R&O becomes law, then you can take that CSCE to a VE, do the paperwork for general, and become one officially.

Techs will automatically get tech+ privs on the day this becomes law, no upgrade necessary. Everyone else will have to take the test, and/or file the paperwork. The code test will still be the law until then.

Joe

[w3wn]

Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Dec. 16 2006,03:25)]<clip>

Where in the FCC order released today does it say anything about it not taking effect for 30 days as one post suggested?

This is going to have to be the very first thing that's clarified otherwise this recent R&O release will surely create additional confusion.

The ARRL or other newswothy entity needs to clarify the "When and Where" details very clearly in a news release as soon as possible before chaos surrounding this fact occurs.

<clip>
Nothing needs clarified.

Federal rules require that changes like this must be published in the Federal Register. They take effect 30 days after the date it is published in the Register.

We just went through this with the Phone Band expansion... it didn't take effect until 30 days after the date published...

And isn't it interesting that this decision is released on the very same day that the expansion took place?

73

[N5DUX]

Aha, thanks for clearing that up. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[ki4ies]

I'ts funny how people who are well trained, exp. hams complain about something that should have happened many years ago. I am a technician and proud of it. My ticket was not handed to me and I did earn it. I did this with a brain injury. No, I can't remember enough of cw to pass it and furthermore I have no intention of using it. For those who do, I'm happy for you. I will say that if you don't like how ham radio is evolving then maybe ignore us? Would that be in the best intrest of making the hobby better? Instead of complaining and crying about how this will be CB, I have a novel Idea. Why not help a ham?Whine and cry all you want but it will take all of us to band together and help each other. Simply put, instead of complaining about things why not help another ham i.e. me or others like me who do have a learning disability but in some eyes I'm not good enough or too lazy or some other excuse. Guess what? I AM a ham and proud of it. Go ahead, make all the jokes you want about ham radio but I'll be looking forward to making contact with you in the near future! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KC8VWM]

Thanks Ron & Joe.

I think these will be the questions in a lot of peoples minds.

73 & Best Wishes For The Holidays

[N7YA]

Quote[/b] (kc0kbc @ Dec. 16 2006,00:11)]But the point is, I'm afraid now that me and others like me will forever be considered "CB'ers Lite" because of our status at this point in time.

Please, don't put folks like me in a position where we have to apologize for the rest of our lives because we only recently came into your avocation.

73,
Mike, KC0KBC
Ok, how about this, Mike...get on the air, enjoy your new hobby, have fun and...im serious about this...disregard ANYONE who tries to put you down for being less of a ham, so to speak. you wouldnt put up with it in the workplace, or in your household or from someone on the street...why on earth would you put up with it in a hobby? It makes no difference if its to your face or on a screen or coming through headphones, disrespect is still disrespect...only people with unresolved issues exude disrespect, regardless of the subject...at that point, a ham radio license class is just an excuse for a disrespectful person to billboard their own failed sense of happiness.

Make NO apologies, Mike. I would love to hear you on CW, keep working on it and you will find me there ready to talk to you. That goes for ALL new no-code hams...if you act like a CB jerk, trust me, we'll let you know, and hopefully the FCC will make more moves to let you know too. but i simply dont have the right to label you anything if you havent DONE anything wrong except be interested in ham radio. not a crime last time i checked.

Win or lose...thank god this sorry, dark chapter of our history has drawn to a close. hopefully it will simmer down soon and we can get back to hamming.

73...Adam, N7YA

[KB4YKJ]

Quote[/b] (ki4ies @ Dec. 16 2006,00:43)]I'ts funny how people who are well trained, exp. hams complain about something that should have happened many years ago. I am a technician and proud of it. My ticket was not handed to me and I did earn it. I did this with a brain injury. No, I can't remember enough of cw to pass it and furthermore I have no intention of using it. For those who do, I'm happy for you. I will say that if you don't like how ham radio is evolving then maybe ignore us? Would that be in the best intrest of making the hobby better? Instead of complaining and crying about how this will be CB, I have a novel Idea. Why not help a ham?Whine and cry all you want but it will take all of us to band together and help each other. Simply put, instead of complaining about things why not help another ham i.e. me or others like me who do have a learning disability but in some eyes I'm not good enough or too lazy or some other excuse. Guess what? I AM a ham and proud of it. Go ahead, make all the jokes you want about ham radio but I'll be looking forward to making contact with you in the near future! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Do not feel alone and do not become discouraged at any point. Ignore what some say because they are so normal they forget there are genuine disabilities. I had a blood clot disolved from my brain and had a minor stroke. All side effects of agent orange exposure. It took me a year and a half to pass my general written. If I did not have the 5wpm from my novice license I would not be a general today. I too heard the stories how I wasn't dedicated and I would be the reason for the downfall of the hobby.

Always remember the class does not make the operator. The operator makes the class. I'm sure you will do well.

[wu5e]

Quote[/b] (w3wn @ Dec. 16 2006,00:41)]Quote[/b] (kc8vwm @ Dec. 16 2006,03:25)]<clip>

Where in the FCC order released today does it say anything about it not taking effect for 30 days as one post suggested?

This is going to have to be the very first thing that's clarified otherwise this recent R&O release will surely create additional confusion.

The ARRL or other newswothy entity needs to clarify the "When and Where" details very clearly in a news release as soon as possible before chaos surrounding this fact occurs.

<clip>
Nothing needs clarified.

Federal rules require that changes like this must be published in the Federal Register. # They take effect 30 days after the date it is published in the Register.

We just went through this with the Phone Band expansion... it didn't take effect until 30 days after the date published...

And isn't it interesting that this decision is released on the very same day that the expansion took place?

73
that 30 days allows HRO, AES to get there act together and make a good sale ad , oh tax refunds checks will be coming out, oh man! maybe someone will write a manual how operate on HF. I think every Extra or Advance operators should take the Tech under #his or her arm and show them how to be a good radio operator so we don't make fools out of our selves on HF.

DX all the way!

Jim
wu5e

[KE7GGV]

I think it is great...and I feel that HAM will not become CB...you can't please everyone....and just because it is dropped for requirement...it seems like the world had ended....and all heck will break loose....yes you need to be a skilled operator and know your stuff....I do not think knowing CW...makes you a better operator...there is a time and a place for CW....and no one is stopping the use of CW on the air....or forcing anyone to stop....it is just a step of progress and one less pain...and there are those who have tried really hard to fit into someones standard...of what "a HAM operator"is and should be because of CW...

Hate what I say...that is your right...and if you are ashamed of being a Ham Operator...then get out of it...no one is forcing you....now that is my opinion...and it is my thought...you do not have to take it at face value...but....but again just because it is dropped for a requirement..the world has ended...and who says you have to stop using it....it is a choice....but I would suggest to those...read the book.."Who moved my Cheese".....google it...yes people whine....and with ANY change you will get flack.... someone once told me...."what kind of cheese would you like with your Whine"....

Oh yes..I welcome any E MAIL...pro or con...to

ke7ggvham@yahoo.com


Just my 5 cents worth...thank you for your time....THX DE KE7GGV/AAR0AJ...73 to all....

[kw6am]

What abunch of lazy retards. Ohh tthe code is so hard to learn I have to actually study and use my brain... A SAD DAY for the amateur radio community. All you non code backers DROP DEAD!

[W1SK]

Quote[/b] (W1LWT @ Dec. 15 2006,23:10)]YES Its about time. We dont drive Model T's any more yes the radio world will improve. Better greater than ever. And new stuff comeing to the market. Alrighty than. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Lee, you have been a great friend for so long, please dont take this the wrong way.

This is the United States of America, we NEED to hold our amateur radio operators to a high standard here. I was hoping that the FCC would find a replacement for our code test, unfortunately they just eliminated it, which is a really bad idea.

I hope this gets fixed real soon.


73,
Joe

[ON6KE]

Guys, stop whining, business goes on, us the elite will keep rattling the keys.

[KB5DRJ]

I'm not sure what I feel about this. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

My favorite mode of operation has always been CW. Took an elective class "Introduction to Radio and Electronics" as a freshman in high school. The final exam was the written and code test. I passed the first try and got my ticket KA9LBM. Those were fun days! My teacher, Allan Johnson AA7CS prior WB9FMU, was a great instructor and I learned a lot about the hobby. I think it only took a week or so to learn the code and the rest of the year to learn the theory for the novice test. I logged hundreds of QSOs from the school station on CW on a Heathkit HW-16 and a few crystals.

I think my challenge would be to go ahead and learn the code anyways and try some CW QSOs - they are lots of fun. Listen in on some QSOs and you'll soon be copying solid. CW is one of the best modes during poor band conditions.

Above all have fun. Be courteous. Use minimum required power. Get at least on thing with tubes in it! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I do not feel that knowing CW makes one a better operator - just a more skilled operator. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

David KB5DRJ

[WB6YAM]

There goes the neighborhood Ugh! Bands. Here come the LIDS!!

CW, like Rock-n-Roll will live forever.

73 & be carefull out there!


WB6YAM
(13wpm General and dam proud of it)

[KE7GGV]

who would think that someone would be so violent and wishing us to drop dead...mmmmmm..LOL.....so I guess no one can be a smart as you...and learn the code...but no matter how hard you try....and learn...I guess some have the knack....some dont...well...I guess.."us retards"...should try harder....again with change....the whole word has stopped...

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (kw6am @ Dec. 15 2006,03:00)]What abunch of lazy retards. Ohh tthe code is so hard to learn I have to actually study and use my brain... A SAD DAY for the amateur radio community. All you non code backers DROP DEAD!

I guess code isn't the filter people claim it is, it let someone with a mindset like you on HF.


Eric Kc5Fog

[kc0kbc]

Quote[/b] ]Ok, how about this, Mike...get on the air, enjoy your new hobby, have fun... Make NO apologies, Mike. I would love to hear you on CW, keep working on it and you will find me there ready to talk to you.
73...Adam, N7YA

Thank you, Adam, and in due course I'd consider it a privilege to make contact with you... via code, of course! I look forward to it...

Quote[/b] ]What abunch of lazy retards. Ohh tthe code is so hard to learn I have to actually study and use my brain... A SAD DAY for the amateur radio community. All you non code backers DROP DEAD!

... the defense rests.

[KE7GGV]

So tell me are the other countries... stupid and retards..for dropping their requirements for HF....yea it tooks us a while to be with the other countires....But I betcha..that those operators in those countires are more understanding and not telling the no-coders...in your words...DROP DEAD....wow....hate to meet you in a dark alley.....LOL....and I am sure they are a bit more encouraging to those new at HAM...

[KL7WP]

Let’s not jump to conclusion in thinking that Technician Class licensees will have limited voice privileges below 30 Mhz. Look at the wording in the FCC press release. The first sentence reads as follows, “Today’s Order also revises the operating privileges for Technician Class licensees by eliminating a disparity in the operating privileges for the Technician Class and Technician Plus Class licensees.” But the next sentence reads “Technician Class licensees are authorized operating privileges on all amateur frequencies above 30 MHz.” There is no mention of frequencies below 30 MHz.

In saying that “the FCC, in today’s action, afforded Technician and Technician Plus licensees identical operating privileges”, the interpretation should be that the Tech Plus is loosing HF privileges.

It’s just too bad that the FCC chose to release the statement, without any further clarification, late on a Friday. In the least it shows a lack of courtesy to the Amatuer community, at worse it smacks of political sleaze.

And really, what is so hard about learning about 40 sound patterns? As the saying goes, “When all else fails – Amateur Radio”, but within Amateur Radio the saying should be, “When all else fails – CW”.

Further, why all the extra space for the 80/75 meter SSB crowd? When demonstrating ham radio to anyone, I make it a point to avoid those frequencies so as to avoid any risk of embarrassment to our hobby and loosing a potential new Amatuer.

The FCC did nothing to enhance the digital modes which is really the bright spot in our future and can be used to attract more young persons.

Tnx es 73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[KC8VWM]

I am looking forward to using CW on HF.
No, I am not pretending to be perfect at CW. I mostly use it for long haul VHF DX contacts at this point in time.

Hopefully, I can improve my fist and do a little more than mere quick DX exchanges on VHF.

Enjoy the holidays.

Charles de KC8VWM

...Or should that read:

--... ...-- -.. . -.-. .... .- .-. .-.. . ... -.- -.-. ---.. ...- .-- -- . -- ---.. ----.

[n7zsd]

Quote[/b] (kw6am @ Dec. 16 2006,01:00)]What abunch of lazy retards. Ohh tthe code is so hard to learn I have to actually study and use my brain... A SAD DAY for the amateur radio community. All you non code backers DROP DEAD!
Now, would you like to have a QSO with a guy with this attitude? #Makes you wonder why some people don't pursue the hobby further, doesn't it? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

I just got told to "drop dead" because I feel that dropping Morse code will not be the end of ham radio. #This type of behavior is what will ruin the hobby my friend, not the Morse code issue.

To the QRZ moderators:
Grab a pot of coffee boys, it's going to be a long night! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ke6oud]

Quote[/b] (kw6am @ Dec. 16 2006,01:00)]What abunch of lazy retards. Ohh tthe code is so hard to learn I have to actually study and use my brain... A SAD DAY for the amateur radio community. All you non code backers DROP DEAD!
You sir, need to get a life!
As for retards, they are human too! Don't you think there is enough hate in this world without you adding something to the pot. Are you so special that the world revolves around you? My baby sister was born retarded and I take real offence to your comments.

[N5FOG]

All I can say is congratulations to my fellow no-code operators who helped fight this battle. Can't wait to see all of you giving the old timers a run for their money in those contests and chasing that rare DX.

I truly wish I could see the looks on each and every one of those old timers faces who said this would never happen when they read the news.

I look forward to seeing all of my fellow no-code ops down on HF very soon.


Eric Kc5Fog (soon to be EXTRA Fog)

And who said Christmas miracles never happen

[ki4ies]

Quote[/b] (kw6am @ Dec. 16 2006,01:00)]What abunch of lazy retards. Ohh tthe code is so hard to learn I have to actually study and use my brain... A SAD DAY for the amateur radio community. All you non code backers DROP DEAD!
So this is how a true ham radio operator talks? I don't think so and It seems to me that statements exactly like that one are extremely unprofessional. It's not the rule changes which will bring the demise of ham radio but the inability to accept this is how it is and the constant bickering with name calling. This is imature and something which is wrong. A retard? Like I said in my original post, find something else to do or help another young ham get his ticket however I guess it's much easier to sit around and call people retards. Once again,I do have a brain injury and I'm not the only one out here with a disability. Statements and attitudes like that is what will end ham radio not dropping the cw. If you don't want to accept it then ignore us but I will be there! I hope to work you on the air one day http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KE7GGV]

I agree...I hate to have a QSO with that person...really...and be beaten over the head with a CW KEY...LOL...but again that is their right to say that...who knows...I might use CW...sometime...I never said...I will not use CW....again and time and a place for it...that is cool....but to the point of telling me to drop dead..that worries me....really....I do not think I would be a lesser operator..just because the FCC dropped the requirement...again who is stopping people from using CW...no one is pointing a gun at them...it is just a change...and yes the world is round..LOL....again my thought...ok...then make the test harder...but wait.....mmmm...no one is perfect...

[KE7HLR]

Quote[/b] (ka2pborick @ Dec. 15 2006,15:25)]So what happens now if a hurricane hits some little country somewhere and the only ham on the island is sending distress signals in CW???
Oh, come on...The DMV doesn't test you on a manual transmission to get a driver's license, yet there are still plenty of people out there who know how to drive a stick-shift.

Likewise, CW isn't going away, and new folks who want to use it will still take the time to learn it...

73 de Dan, KE7HLR

[vk3aof]

About time ..welcome to the rest of the world. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KE7GGV]

I am highly offended as well for the use of retards...my sister was born...not at full mental capacity....so my question is....if your child was born a certain way....would you have the guts...to treat them like that...wow....and wishing a person to drop dead...my goodness...that is really harsh and hateful....wow...that blows my mind...so am I in that area...just because...I am disabled...myself......

[KE7GGV]

So some who are really good operators..have a learning curve...and have a hard time...are you perfect...come on...

[n0klu]

The Fall of the Morse Code God! With a simple stroke of the pen the FCC dropped the requirement.
Now let’s see how many turn in their tickets or sell their equipment on eBay as promised.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[w5wht]

Some of us have struggled for years trying to hear the code and I for one are one of them people that have a hard time with the code. Personally I think it's a blessing that they decided to do this.:cool:

[KE7GGV]

Quote[/b] (n0klu @ Dec. 16 2006,01:43)]The Fall of the Morse Code God! With a simple stroke of the pen the FCC dropped the requirement.
Now let’s see how many turn in their tickets or sell their equipment on eBay as promised.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
that is right....LOL....

[w4lrs]

So much for the days of getting the good deal on the no code HF rig..............

[KL7FZ]

Quote[/b] (kw6am @ Dec. 16 2006,01:00)]What abunch of lazy retards. Ohh tthe code is so hard to learn I have to actually study and use my brain... A SAD DAY for the amateur radio community. All you non code backers DROP DEAD!
I second this!

The lazy, no good, know-nothing, do-nothings are soon to inherit Amateur Radio because of a few brainless FCC lawyers that know nothing about radio, communication, history, or tradition. This promoted and spurred on by the ARRL sellouts.
Licensed now for 45 years, I have seen the slide. If you have not been around that long you cannot speak to this! You do not, can not know, what it is like now compared to what it was. #

So what you will inherit, after dreaming about being a ham, all the time while waiting for the code to be dropped and the tests to be dumbed down, will not be Amateur Radio after all. It will a LOT less. Your loss. Your fault.

You may have the license BUT YOU WILL NEVER BE REAL AMATEUR RADIO OPERATORS AS SEEN BY HISTORY. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE LESS!! YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED. STUCK IN A CB RADIO HELL WITH THE REST OF THE DUMMIES!
And I am laughing. I was there when it was Amateur radio. I was privileged to be there when it was real radio. You lose. You missed it! Too late!

As the man said "DROP DEAD!"

KL7FZ

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 15 2006,03:49)]Quote[/b] (kw6am @ Dec. 16 2006,01:00)]What abunch of lazy retards. Ohh tthe code is so hard to learn I have to actually study and use my brain... A SAD DAY for the amateur radio community. All you non code backers DROP DEAD!
I second this!

The lazy, no good, know-nothing, do-nothings are soon to inherit Amateur Radio because of a few brainless FCC lawyers that know nothing about radio, communication, history, or tradition. This promoted and spurred on by the ARRL sellouts.
Licensed now for 45 years, I have seen the slide. If you have not been around that long you cannot speak to this! You do not, can not know, what it is like now compared to what it was.

So what you will inherit, after dreaming about being a ham, all the time while waiting for the code to be dropped and the tests to be dumbed down, will not be Amateur Radio after all. It will a LOT less. Your loss. Your fault.

You may have the license BUT YOU WILL NEVER BE REAL AMATEUR RADIO OPERATORS AS SEEN BY HISTORY. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE LESS!! YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED. STUCK IN A CB RADIO HELL WITH THE REST OF THE DUMMIES!
And I am laughing. I was there when it was Amateur radio. I was privileged to be there when it was real radio. You lose. You missed it! Too late!

As the man said "DROP DEAD!"

KL7FZ
Such a articulate gentleman. HF will not go down hill, If you look at the local 2 meter repeaters with the no-codes vs 75 meters the conduct on 2 meters is much much more civilized and professional. Heck if anything sounds like 11 meters its HF. If the tests are too easy make them harder, more theory or some practical electronics test. But making a ham learn a new language that has nothing to do with being a technicaly sound radio operator is not a sound practice.

Eric Kc5Fog

[KE7GGV]

well ok...tell us how you really feel...boy...talk about frustrated...my goodnes...who says..they are dumbing down the test....well....so make them harder...well some countries..test them on how to properly run a HF station...not CW...like in South Africa...they dropped the CW/HF requirement...but I do not think they are stupid...it just shows how well...they can run a HF set up...and they test them on that....dude take some advice...."get some action"...careful do not have a stroke...it is a change...not the inquistion.....

[kc0kbc]

KL7FZ, instead of going on like a bitter, hateful old man, who will not be remembered for anything other than that, why don't you take a new ham under your wing and teach him? You, your experiences, and your love of the craft would live on in him. Alas, you won't see it that way. What a waste.

Makes me think perhaps I should just stick with 2M/70cm. I've yet to run into anyone there who doesn't display at all times the professionalism I expect out of amateur operators. That's a lot more than I can say for some of the HF folks responding to this decision.

[kc2qdr]

Today's is a Great Day for all Hams, both New and Old.
Very Special Thanks to: The FCC and ARRL...
Catch you on HF soon...
-George-
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KE7GGV]

oh yes...what do you say to those handicapped....who have the no-code tech..are they lazy???...would they be the same...on HF...or visually impaired...or who cannot write...or back then...some did not have to take the 5 WPM test...becasue of some circumstances....are they retarded or lazy....well...I guess...we will all drop dead...I will be honest just because I am disabled...and with a mental disease and disability....and cannot grasp CW yet...and yet I passed the test..mmm...gee I guess..I am a lousy operator...just because I chose not to use CW now...

[KE7GGV]

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 16 2006,01:49)]Quote[/b] (kw6am @ Dec. 16 2006,01:00)]What abunch of lazy retards. Ohh tthe code is so hard to learn I have to actually study and use my brain... A SAD DAY for the amateur radio community. All you non code backers DROP DEAD!
I second this!

The lazy, no good, know-nothing, do-nothings are soon to inherit Amateur Radio because of a few brainless FCC lawyers that know nothing about radio, communication, history, or tradition. This promoted and spurred on by the ARRL sellouts.
Licensed now for 45 years, I have seen the slide. If you have not been around that long you cannot speak to this! You do not, can not know, what it is like now compared to what it was. #

So what you will inherit, after dreaming about being a ham, all the time while waiting for the code to be dropped and the tests to be dumbed down, will not be Amateur Radio after all. It will a LOT less. Your loss. Your fault.

You may have the license BUT YOU WILL NEVER BE REAL AMATEUR RADIO OPERATORS AS SEEN BY HISTORY. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE LESS!! YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED. STUCK IN A CB RADIO HELL WITH THE REST OF THE DUMMIES!
And I am laughing. I was there when it was Amateur radio. I was privileged to be there when it was real radio. You lose. You missed it! Too late!

As the man said "DROP DEAD!"

KL7FZ
If you cannot stand the heat...get out of the kitchen..wow what hate you have....or just turn in your license...LOL....get some action....relax....you are really pent up....

[ke6oud]

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 16 2006,01:49)]Quote[/b] (kw6am @ Dec. 16 2006,01:00)]What abunch of lazy retards. Ohh tthe code is so hard to learn I have to actually study and use my brain... A SAD DAY for the amateur radio community. All you non code backers DROP DEAD!
I second this!

The lazy, no good, know-nothing, do-nothings are soon to inherit Amateur Radio because of a few brainless FCC lawyers that know nothing about radio, communication, history, or tradition. This promoted and spurred on by the ARRL sellouts.
Licensed now for 45 years, I have seen the slide. If you have not been around that long you cannot speak to this! You do not, can not know, what it is like now compared to what it was. #

So what you will inherit, after dreaming about being a ham, all the time while waiting for the code to be dropped and the tests to be dumbed down, will not be Amateur Radio after all. It will a LOT less. Your loss. Your fault.

You may have the license BUT YOU WILL NEVER BE REAL AMATEUR RADIO OPERATORS AS SEEN BY HISTORY. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE LESS!! YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED. STUCK IN A CB RADIO HELL WITH THE REST OF THE DUMMIES!
And I am laughing. I was there when it was Amateur radio. I was privileged to be there when it was real radio. You lose. You missed it! Too late!

As the man said "DROP DEAD!"

KL7FZ
Gerald, (KE7GGV) just read into the rantings of this guy then let it go.
Do you really want to work HF with him on phone or CW? Pity, There is a whole lot of great Hams out there doing what good Hams do. Read my past posts & the help that was offered to me from guys that want to Elmer me clear over here on the West coast. I'm fortunate enough that in my travels, I'll be able to meet with these guys someday & have lunch with them.
As for Mr. perfect here, let it go. I refuse to have a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed....73

[w4don]

New World Order continues on schedule.
BT
The FCC has once again reacted and set the stage to eliminate all but one amateur radio license. # It will be called the "Diversity Amateur Radio License" and the term "class" will be eliminated. #This will make everyone equal.

Next the FCC will eliminate mode subbands and authorize all modes of operation anywhere within a band. #Later the FCC will grant the CB'ers station and operating privileges to all the diverse amateur radio bands to eliminate crowding on 11-meters.# This will be called "hamnesty".

All of these forth coming changes will continue to provide the ARRL more "quanity" ($$$$$$$$) and amateur radio less "quality". #Finally the FCC will no longer require an examination and license. # In the end the FCC will no longer enforce Part 97 of its R&R's because it won't have the manpower and funds.
AR

[KE7GGV]

Quote[/b] (ke6oud @ Dec. 16 2006,02:06)]Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 16 2006,01:49)]Quote[/b] (kw6am @ Dec. 16 2006,01:00)]What abunch of lazy retards. Ohh tthe code is so hard to learn I have to actually study and use my brain... A SAD DAY for the amateur radio community. All you non code backers DROP DEAD!
I second this!

The lazy, no good, know-nothing, do-nothings are soon to inherit Amateur Radio because of a few brainless FCC lawyers that know nothing about radio, communication, history, or tradition. This promoted and spurred on by the ARRL sellouts.
Licensed now for 45 years, I have seen the slide. If you have not been around that long you cannot speak to this! You do not, can not know, what it is like now compared to what it was. #

So what you will inherit, after dreaming about being a ham, all the time while waiting for the code to be dropped and the tests to be dumbed down, will not be Amateur Radio after all. It will a LOT less. Your loss. Your fault.

You may have the license BUT YOU WILL NEVER BE REAL AMATEUR RADIO OPERATORS AS SEEN BY HISTORY. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE LESS!! YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED. STUCK IN A CB RADIO HELL WITH THE REST OF THE DUMMIES!
And I am laughing. I was there when it was Amateur radio. I was privileged to be there when it was real radio. You lose. You missed it! Too late!

As the man said "DROP DEAD!"

KL7FZ
Gerald, (KE7GGV) just read into the rantings of this guy then let it go.
Do you really want to work HF with him on phone or CW? Pity, There is a whole lot of great Hams out there doing what good Hams do. Read my past posts & the help that was offered to me from guys that want to Elmer me clear over here on the West coast. I'm fortunate enough that in my travels, I'll be able to meet with these guys someday & have lunch with them.
As for Mr. perfect here, let it go. I refuse to have a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed....73
I think that is great...have fun...and good for you....

[ki4ies]

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 16 2006,01:49)]Quote[/b] (kw6am @ Dec. 16 2006,01:00)]What abunch of lazy retards. Ohh tthe code is so hard to learn I have to actually study and use my brain... A SAD DAY for the amateur radio community. All you non code backers DROP DEAD!
I second this!

The lazy, no good, know-nothing, do-nothings are soon to inherit Amateur Radio because of a few brainless FCC lawyers that know nothing about radio, communication, history, or tradition. This promoted and spurred on by the ARRL sellouts.
Licensed now for 45 years, I have seen the slide. If you have not been around that long you cannot speak to this! You do not, can not know, what it is like now compared to what it was. #

So what you will inherit, after dreaming about being a ham, all the time while waiting for the code to be dropped and the tests to be dumbed down, will not be Amateur Radio after all. It will a LOT less. Your loss. Your fault.

You may have the license BUT YOU WILL NEVER BE REAL AMATEUR RADIO OPERATORS AS SEEN BY HISTORY. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE LESS!! YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED. STUCK IN A CB RADIO HELL WITH THE REST OF THE DUMMIES!
And I am laughing. I was there when it was Amateur radio. I was privileged to be there when it was real radio. You lose. You missed it! Too late!

As the man said "DROP DEAD!"

KL7FZ
Hey, believe what you want to but you know something, last time I checked, It's 2007. You are right on one thing though,I'm not history. I am tomorrow. I am proud to live in an era where people choose to accept and not dwell on yesterday. I said it, I'll say it again; people who spend time calling people retards have no sense of now and tomorrow. It's extremely imature and rotally uncalled for. No professional ham would stoop to a level of a common CBer and that, sir, should be your band. I am very offended at being called a retard however I consider the source and let it go as I study for general which I may or may not get but will try with a smile on my face and I hope to work you in the near future. Name calling and degrading someone is not ham radio. I don't care if you can send 100 words a min. It is immature and well below how a true ham should act. I have no intention of using cw, I don't like hearing it and it should not be the deciding factor in how far I can go in this hobby/service. As far as history, Sir, I do not want to be part of the past, I want to be part of the future. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KL7FZ]

Quote[/b] (KE7GGV @ Dec. 16 2006,02:00)]oh yes...what do you say to those handicapped....who have the no-code tech..are they lazy???...would they be the same...on HF...or visually impaired...or who cannot write...or back then...some did not have to take the 5 WPM test...becasue of some circumstances....are they retarded or lazy....well...I guess...we will all drop dead...I will be honest just because I am disabled...and with a mental disease and disability....and cannot grasp CW yet...and yet I passed the test..mmm...gee I guess..I am a lousy operator...just because I chose not to use CW now...
Sorry Dude. I have seen a lot of people with all sorts of severe handicaps overcome the code tests. And more. It is overcoming the handicap that is the true sucess. Not sitting around saying "I am so pitiful, I have a handicap" and waiting for someone to give you something like most of the no-code promoters.
I was there when it was REAL HAM RADIO. You were not! Don't fool yourself into believing that what you are seeing now and will be seeing will be the real Amateur Radio. YOU LOSE!
#I was there when ham radio was building and developing new gear and operating new bands and seeing communication firsts.
I was there. I participated. I learned. I enjoyed.
#I was there when it was EXCITING. When it was MAGIC!
YOU LOSE! YOU WILL NEVER KNOW!

Continue on with your shooting skip and how to build dipoles buddies.

#I was there when it was FUN. I was there when it took effort that was satisfying and rewarding.

# I WON. YOU LOST! YOU HAVE JUST NOT REALISED IT YET!!

#CB ON GOOD BUDDY!

You just shot yourself in the foot!

HA!
KL7FZ

[N0TTW]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ Dec. 15 2006,03:29)]Can't wait to see all of you giving the old timers a run for their money in those contests and chasing that rare DX.


Too bad some of the rare DX out in HF is CW only. Besides, HF is old hat unless you go way too the bottom of the bands (VLF)

Oh well... I'm going to take a wait and see attitude. Bad enough to have certain LIDS on the band now, I just hope it doesn't get worse.

Chris

[n0zoa]

wooo hoo now i get to use the rest of the bandss on my ft-817 to see how it sounds on HF. people have said it sounds great on vhf/uhf. but i think im still going to study and learn the code so i can use that part of bands if i have to

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (w4don @ Dec. 15 2006,04:09)]New World Order continues on schedule.
BT
The FCC has once again reacted and set the stage to eliminate all but one amateur radio license. It will be called the "Diversity Amateur Radio License" and the term "class" will be eliminated. This will make everyone equal.

Next the FCC will eliminate mode subbands and authorize all modes of operation anywhere within a band. Later the FCC will grant the CB'ers station and operating privileges to all the diverse amateur radio bands to eliminate crowding on 11-meters. This will be called "hamesty".

All of these forth coming changes will continue to provide the ARRL more "quanity" ($$$$$$$$) and amateur radio less "quality". Finally the FCC will no longer require an examination and license. In the end the FCC will no longer enforce Part 97 of its R&R's because it won't have the manpower and funds. AR
That’s nothing but a 100% pure steaming nugget of bull####. That’s all you old timers can do is try to throw "scare tactics" about the end of ham radio. Look what happened with the no-code, everyone said 2 meters would turn to CB, well it didn't. So keep on serving up your steaming nuggets of crap, because guess what, no one is buying it including the FCC.

And as far as that rare DX being CW only, I've worked plenty of weak signal CW on 6 meter sideband with the computer. DSP can do amazing things these days.

See ya on 75

Eric KC5FOG

I guess Santa decided to let the FCC give us our christmas present this year http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KE7GGV]

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 16 2006,02:15)]Quote[/b] (KE7GGV @ Dec. 16 2006,02:00)]oh yes...what do you say to those handicapped....who have the no-code tech..are they lazy???...would they be the same...on HF...or visually impaired...or who cannot write...or back then...some did not have to take the 5 WPM test...becasue of some circumstances....are they retarded or lazy....well...I guess...we will all drop dead...I will be honest just because I am disabled...and with a mental disease and disability....and cannot grasp CW yet...and yet I passed the test..mmm...gee I guess..I am a lousy operator...just because I chose not to use CW now...
Sorry Dude. I have seen a lot of people with all sorts of severe handicaps overcome the code tests. And more. It is overcoming the handicap that is the true sucess. Not sitting around saying "I am so pitiful, I have a handicap" and waiting for someone to give you something like most of the no-code promoters.
I was there when it was REAL HAM RADIO. You were not! Don't fool yourself into believing that what you are seeing now and will be seeing will be the real Amateur Radio. YOU LOSE!
#I was there when ham radio was building and developing new gear and operating new bands and seeing communication firsts.
I was there. I participated. I learned. I enjoyed.
#I was there when it was EXCITING. When it was MAGIC!
YOU LOSE! YOU WILL NEVER KNOW!

Continue on with your shooting skip and how to build dipoles buddies.

#I was there when it was FUN. I was there when it took effort that was satisfying and rewarding.

# I WON. YOU LOST! YOU HAVE JUST NOT REALISED IT YET!!

#CB ON GOOD BUDDY!

HA!
KL7FZ
Wow...you are right...poor me...waiting for a handout....you guessed...it right..mmmmm..wow I feel better now..I guess..I will just eat worms...ok you won...

[KE7GGV]

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 16 2006,02:15)]Quote[/b] (KE7GGV @ Dec. 16 2006,02:00)]oh yes...what do you say to those handicapped....who have the no-code tech..are they lazy???...would they be the same...on HF...or visually impaired...or who cannot write...or back then...some did not have to take the 5 WPM test...becasue of some circumstances....are they retarded or lazy....well...I guess...we will all drop dead...I will be honest just because I am disabled...and with a mental disease and disability....and cannot grasp CW yet...and yet I passed the test..mmm...gee I guess..I am a lousy operator...just because I chose not to use CW now...
Sorry Dude. I have seen a lot of people with all sorts of severe handicaps overcome the code tests. And more. It is overcoming the handicap that is the true sucess. Not sitting around saying "I am so pitiful, I have a handicap" and waiting for someone to give you something like most of the no-code promoters.
I was there when it was REAL HAM RADIO. You were not! Don't fool yourself into believing that what you are seeing now and will be seeing will be the real Amateur Radio. YOU LOSE!
#I was there when ham radio was building and developing new gear and operating new bands and seeing communication firsts.
I was there. I participated. I learned. I enjoyed.
#I was there when it was EXCITING. When it was MAGIC!
YOU LOSE! YOU WILL NEVER KNOW!

Continue on with your shooting skip and how to build dipoles buddies.

#I was there when it was FUN. I was there when it took effort that was satisfying and rewarding.

# I WON. YOU LOST! YOU HAVE JUST NOT REALISED IT YET!!

#CB ON GOOD BUDDY!

You just shot yourself in the foot!

HA!
KL7FZ
Guess your right...when you you CAPS...in most of your posts...isn't that shouting...wow you must be really mad...oh how dare I...gosh...for me standing in the way such as a giant as you are...I will get out of the way...

[wr5aw]

I can hear it now, KL7FZ:"I do NOT by damn have to take another eye test. I've been driving for 50 yrs!"

[KL7FZ]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ Dec. 16 2006,02:17)]That’s nothing but a 100% pure steaming nugget of bull****. That’s all you old timers can do is try to throw "scare tactics" about the end of ham radio. Look what happened with the no-code, everyone said 2 meters would turn to CB, well it didn't. So keep on serving up your steaming nuggets of crap, because guess what, no one is buying it including the FCC.

And as far as that rare DX being CW only, I've worked plenty of weak signal CW on 6 meter sideband with the computer. DSP can do amazing things these days.

See ya on 75

Eric KC5FOG
Yes it did turn into CB. But then if you didn't know what it was like when it was real ham radio you wouldn't know the difference, would you? So you obviously have no experience there to give a reasoned opinion.

As to six meters, there was a lot of DX available the other nite here, but SSB was unuseable because of heavy aurora. The only useable mode was CW. But then how would you know it was DX if you couldn't copy the callsigns? #

You lose.

BTW: I edited your nasty language.

#KL7FZ

[ke6oud]

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 16 2006,02:15)]Continue on with your shooting skip and how to build dipoles buddies.

#I was there when it was FUN. I was there when it took effort that was satisfying and rewarding.

# I WON. YOU LOST! YOU HAVE JUST NOT REALISED IT YET!!

#CB ON GOOD BUDDY!

You just shot yourself in the foot!

HA!
KL7FZ
See what I mean Gerald....
Is that not the rantings of someone using 11 meters then carrying it over onto 75? Real mature, huh......

[AE4TM]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 15 2006,23:21)]Come on guys, the fat lady has sung....
I wonder why the QRZ moderator doesn't allow me to post images of QRM to MRI images (please inspect recent forums) but of fat ladies like you post here? Perhaps you are the moderator.

I posted this image to the QRZ forum below to emphasize the danger of BPL to hospital electronics and the moderator immediately deleted the image. I wonder if he/she will delete your fat lady image as well? Only time will tell.

http://ecjones.org/MRI_RF_QRM.gif

Dr Ed AE4TM

CC: FCC.GOV

[ke6oud]

Quote[/b] (wr5aw @ Dec. 16 2006,02:26)]I can hear it now, #KL7FZ:"I do NOT by damn have to take another eye test. I've been driving for 50 yrs!"
HaHaHa, HeHeHe......
I want to party with you!

[KE7GGV]

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 16 2006,02:26)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ Dec. 16 2006,02:17)]That’s nothing but a 100% pure steaming nugget of bull****. That’s all you old timers can do is try to throw "scare tactics" about the end of ham radio. Look what happened with the no-code, everyone said 2 meters would turn to CB, well it didn't. So keep on serving up your steaming nuggets of crap, because guess what, no one is buying it including the FCC.

And as far as that rare DX being CW only, I've worked plenty of weak signal CW on 6 meter sideband with the computer. DSP can do amazing things these days.

See ya on 75

Eric KC5FOG
Yes it did turn into CB. But then if you didn't know what it was like when it was real ham radio you wouldn't know the difference, would you? So you obviously have no experience there to give a reasoned opinion.

As to six meters, there was a lot of DX available the other nite here, but SSB was unuseable because of heavy aurora. The only useable mode was CW. But then how would you know it was DX if you couldn't copy the callsigns? #

You lose.

BTW: I edited your nasty language.

#KL7FZ
wow good for you......I can sleep better now.....oh oh..time for censorship....is it time now for a lazy whiner...like me...who sucks off the system....and how do you know...I have buddies that build dipoles???......must go...time to drop dead....

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 15 2006,04:26)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ Dec. 16 2006,02:17)]That’s nothing but a 100% pure steaming nugget of bull****. That’s all you old timers can do is try to throw "scare tactics" about the end of ham radio. Look what happened with the no-code, everyone said 2 meters would turn to CB, well it didn't. So keep on serving up your steaming nuggets of crap, because guess what, no one is buying it including the FCC.

And as far as that rare DX being CW only, I've worked plenty of weak signal CW on 6 meter sideband with the computer. DSP can do amazing things these days.

See ya on 75

Eric KC5FOG
Yes it did turn into CB. But then if you didn't know what it was like when it was real ham radio you wouldn't know the difference, would you? So you obviously have no experience there to give a reasoned opinion.

As to six meters, there was a lot of DX available the other nite here, but SSB was unuseable because of heavy aurora. The only useable mode was CW. But then how would you know it was DX if you couldn't copy the callsigns?

You lose.

BTW: I edited your nasty language.

KL7FZ
My nasty language, go listen to your comrades on 75 meters any night. You will hear language that makes me sound like a preacher at Sunday mass. You can blame it on the lowering of licensing standards, but the honest truth is our society is changing PEROID. What was not acceptable 20 years ago is considered normal acceptable behavior today. Look at the type of profanity and conduct on prime time TV. So blame the "slipper slope" or what ever but bottom line it it’s our society.

And as far as the CW, my computer decoder software with DSP filter decodes CW thats pretty much into the noise so I see all that rare DX scroll across my screen. And with a few keystrokes I'm having a good CW QSO and working that rare DX.

So my mad comrad, how do I loose ?


Eric KC5FOG

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 15 2006,23:11)]The saddest day in the history of Amateur radio. All that is left now is petition the FCC to change the name to "Citizen's Band Radio Service" and put 11 meters back in the allocations.
For over 45 years I was proud to say I was an Amateur Radio Operator. Now I am almost ashamed to tell anyone I am a part of it.
Very sad. And my new amp just came in the mail today.
Maybe I'll just take out the tubes and plant flowers in
the holes.
73
KL7FZ
Damn good thing there was no internet when spark was outlawed.

It thought that was the saddest day in ham history! lmao

[KL7FZ]

Quote[/b] (ke6oud @ Dec. 16 2006,02:26)]See what I mean Gerald....
Is that not the rantings of someone using 11 meters then carrying it over onto 75? Real mature, huh......
Hmmmm. Interesting. I have never been on 11 meters, but you obviously have . You seem to know what goes on there......
Gave yourself away....did ya?

#And they say amateur radio isn't turning into CB? So what are all of you CBers doing here posing as hams?

#KL7FZ

[wd0ct]

"Licenses will be next. Not that I have any problem with the removal of the code requirement, I just think it should be replaced with some other skill. But with the teaching the test, there is no reason to have a test. "

Yep, how bout we all have to learn Spanish? That would show us...

[ke6oud]

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 16 2006,02:35)]Hmmmm. Interesting. I have never been on 11 meters, but you obviously have . You seem to know what goes on there......
Gave yourself away....did ya?

#And they say amateur radio isn't turning into CB? So what are all of you CBers doing here posing as hams?

#KL7FZ
Your pic. on your post tells most about you...Nuff said....

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (k8cpa @ Dec. 15 2006,23:43)]This is truly a sad day in Amateur Radio. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

This Kenwood 950 can sit and ROT for all I care. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Truly, Truly Sad. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

73 DE K8CPA

-Chuck


Cheer up, I'll be happy to take it off your hands. $650 is my best offer.

[k7nys]

Whatever happened to friendship through radio? Always bashing the NCT's. That really makes you look good. I remember when the Elmers would try to help people advance in this hobby. Just remember this....when you get too old to climb the tower I bet a NCT will not help you out.
73 OM

[PE1RDW]

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 16 2006,11:35)]Quote[/b] (ke6oud @ Dec. 16 2006,02:26)]See what I mean Gerald....
Is that not the rantings of someone using 11 meters then carrying it over onto 75? Real mature, huh......
Hmmmm. Interesting. I have never been on 11 meters, but you obviously have . You seem to know what goes on there......
Gave yourself away....did ya?

And they say amateur radio isn't turning into CB? So what are all of you CBers doing here posing as hams?

KL7FZ
Around here CB sounds a lot better then the dribling above 3.800 I hear comming in from the usa.
Good thing hams like you are rare, I rather have a qso with a normal thinking CB operater (most are also SWL) then with hatefull people like yourself.

You sir are a disgrace to Radio Amatuer operators around the world.

The FCC has decided, now move on and get with the times, you´ll have more fun if you don´t worry about who has taken a CW test and who hasen´t.

Happy Winter soltice are whatever holiday you celibrate around this time.

[AE4TM]

I learned to work CW at 24wpm in about one month with the SuperMorse and MorseMan programs. Despite my CW ability, the survival of our hobby ultimately depends on abilities of the majority to bring into the hobby the basics of the "radio art" which goes well beyond CW.

Dr Ed AE4TM

[w4clm]

Well one good thing about this. We don't have to listen any more to all the morons with their excuses as to why they can't hear the code, can't hear the tones, I'm tone deaf, I'm dyslexic, I'm this and I'm that! I can't do this and I can't do that. Can't never did anything! I've heard it all, I've got hemorrhoids and can't sit for the code exam, every time I sit for the exam it pinches my optic nerve and I can't see to write because my head is in my anal cavity! And we don't have to worry about the code exams being compromised at the VEC session anymore, because we just threw the baby out with the bath water!

I've listened to and heard every excuse in the book for over 35+ years and I'm sick and tired of all the excuses as to why people can't get a license. Now everyone will have to find some new excuses for not getting a ticket. Hey here's a real classic they can try on for size "I'm just to damned lazy and stupid to memorize a hand full of questions to get that license."

Every road block and wall has been knocked down to this endeavor and THERE ARE NO MORE EXCUSES LEFT.
The old excuse that amateur radio is too expensive has long gone by the way side as every CB'er and trucker is running the latest and greatest Yaesu or Kenwood SSB rig on 27.6 MHz and 28 MHz.

I've been licensed 36 years, like anyone really gives a S**t. But you know there is one thing I've learned and it's an easy to do. Each and every one of these rigs has an ON / OFF switch and it's likely it will remain in the O~F~F position a little more. As the bands become more crowded and the Super Bowl gang on Channel 6 make their play for the 75 meter yard line the game will get a little more exciting. HELL, Riley can't enforce the problems he has to deal with now!

So lets just let everyone play ball as it would be politically incorrect to leave anyone out!
We have already given our jobs away overseas and we are giving the country away to Mexico. So why not license illegal aliens while we are at it too so they can buy radios and talk home! Everyone may as well join in, just slap $25 on the table guys for an amateur operators PERMIT. May as well just pay for the license! Technician and General are all the same, there is nothing advanced about an advanced class license and you didn't have to do any Extra works to get an Extra class ticket.

Yeah you guys are right, maybe the sky hasn't fallen, but it's a pretty damned dark day outside for amateur radio as a whole. Being an amateur radio operator with its once respected license, looked upon by outsiders with envy and respect as an honorable endeavor is not what it was only a few short years ago. Amateur radio and incentive licensing is now much like the commercial telephone and radio telegraph exams, they are all a joke. But I'm afraid the joke is on us as a community, while the quantity of so called licensed amateurs will likely increase, the knowledge base will be inversely proportional to the increasing license numbers.

Even at that, someone will still manage to be left out and find some reason to bitch to their liberal senator as to why they can't get a amateur permit, until even the written exams are more watered down then what they already are today until they follow that of the broadcast industry and marine radio that of signing nothing more the a signature line for an operators permit. (Hey here's a novel idea ~ I need a doctors permit for the written exam!)

No the sky has not fallen my friends, but it's a damned shame that the amateur radio permit has no pride in ownership.

73s
Carol Maher W4CLM

[ke6oud]

Seriously now.....
I do need a Keyer be it a straight key or paddles so if any one of you Hams out there are SOOOO PO'd over this dropping of the code I can use a set.
I still intend to learn & hopefully I can pass before it's gone. Drop me a line. (written test already done, just need the 5 wpm)

[KE5VIP]

I have to say I am pleased that Code is no longer a requirement. I also have to say, I really want to learn it as well as I can. I am a No Code Tech and STILL proud of my license and what it affords me to do. It took a LOT of study for me to earn my license...and yes I EARNED it, Code or no Code. To insinuate otherwise because there was no Code test attached is an insult to every HAM who has gotten his or her license since the No Code Test began!

I believe those who think the General/Extra tests are 'gimmes' are so far off base. Let's not kid ourselves, we are not just memorizing a few questions for a test here. The question pools for these exams are in the hundreds. You never know which questions will be on the test, so you actually have to try and memorize ALL of them.

Much of these exams is based on electronics theory. (I know this as I am studying for my General Class exam now.) I am almost 30 years old, waaaay after when it was common place to learn electronics in school *in high school shop classes for example*. I am disabled, so getting into a car engine or under a car have never been an option for learning electronics that way. This is not true for many in generations before me. For me, and others without the aforementioned opportunities, these tests are every bit as hard as any previous written exams. The idea that these exams are easy or 'gimmes' in any generalized sense is ridiculous.

Let me also say that earning our licenses didn't stop at the test...whichever one we passed. It is a daily process in the way we conduct ourselves. It is HOW we use the privileges we have earned. This includes the casual hobbyist...and those of us who serve in Public Service and Emergency Service work.

[AD7DK]

I find it funny, how so many on this board think that amateur radio will suddenly turn into CB now that the code has been dropped. "The bands will now be jammed with lawlessness?" You're kidding, right? If people want to transmit on bands that they aren't licensed for, do you really think that a cw requirement is going to stop them? I've heard this for years, and it is a joke. If people are going to break the rules, a rule isn't going to stop them.

True, more people will enter the hobby now that the requirements have changed. That in it's self isn't necessarily a bad thing. Time to step up to the plate and elmer the newcomers. Lead by example. Currently, operating practices on 75 meters are disgraceful. Lets worry about what we have now.

[KC2OBN]

I took the general written in June 2006.
I have been studying cw for quite some time and will still learn and use it.
I am an ARES member and stopped studying cw for a while while I was doing me EM level 1 course for the last 8 weeks.
I will still try to make the cw test by the time the change takes effect.
If I don't make it in time, I will still learn cw and use it.

I wish they would have at least left the cw requirement for extra. To me extra is "special" and should be respected and worked a little harder for.

When I first got my ticket, I bought a 746pro so I could go on HF in the future after my upgrades.

73's

Chris
KC2OBN

[k7nys]

W4CLM is another NCT basher here's a quote,"Hey here's a real classic they can try on for size "I'm just to damned lazy and stupid to memorize a hand full of questions to get that license."
Sell your equipment and use the cash to buy a life

[wd0ct]

Quote[/b] (KL7FZ @ Dec. 15 2006,23:11)]The saddest day in the history of Amateur radio. All that is left now is petition the FCC to change the name to "Citizen's Band Radio Service" and put 11 meters back in the allocations.
For over 45 years I was proud to say I was an Amateur Radio Operator. Now I am almost ashamed to tell anyone I am a part of it.
Very sad. And my new amp just came in the mail today.
Maybe I'll just take out the tubes and plant flowers in
the holes.
73
KL7FZ
Naw, just sell it to me - cheap!

[N0TTW]

Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ Dec. 15 2006,04:17)]And as far as that rare DX being CW only, I've worked plenty of weak signal CW on 6 meter sideband with the computer. DSP can do amazing things these days.

Glad you can use a computer for CW. Hate to ask, can you use the radio in CW mode without a computer?

Or better still, did you write the DSP software for it?

This, too me, is the problem today with so many people relying on technology while using the radio. Amateur radio is nothing if you rely on the high tech gizmos without taking into consideration what happens when you have a power budget in a devastated disaster area. Think about it.

Worse, many licensed operators (yes I mean all licenses) can't even build a simple power supply, CW transmitter or even a basic receiver.

Don't get me wrong, technology is great. Being depended on it isn't. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

Everyone should know the basics of radio communications and what is involved in it. CW was a part of those basics.

Even with the current written test structure, it fails to provide the basics.

Like I said, I'll take a wait and see attitude...

...-.-

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (N0TTW @ Dec. 15 2006,05:07)]Quote[/b] (Kc5fog @ Dec. 15 2006,04:17)]And as far as that rare DX being CW only, I've worked plenty of weak signal CW on 6 meter sideband with the computer. DSP can do amazing things these days.

Glad you can use a computer for CW. Hate to ask, can you use the radio in CW mode without a computer?

Or better still, did you write the DSP software for it?

This, too me, is the problem today with so many people relying on technology while using the radio. Amateur radio is nothing if you rely on the high tech gizmos without taking into consideration what happens when you have a power budget in a devastated disaster area. Think about it.

Worse, many licensed operators (yes I mean all licenses) can't even build a simple power supply, CW transmitter or even a basic receiver.

Don't get me wrong, technology is great. Being depended on it isn't. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

Everyone should know the basics of radio communications and what is involved in it. CW was a part of those basics.

Even with the current written test structure, it fails to provide the basics.

Like I said