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g4tut
12-14-2006, 10:55 AM
German U-boats on the air
In 1850, the first submarine ever built in Germany, the so called 'Brandtaucher' (incendiary diver) took to the ocean depths.
Now, after stopovers at various museums, the world's oldest remaining submersible boat has a permanent stay at the Museum of Military History in Dresden.
Some 56 years later, submarine 'U 1' was the first standard submarine of the Imperial German Navy. She was built at Kiel and commissioned on December 14, 1906. "
'U 1' served as a training and experimental boat during World War I, not involved in any fighting action. At the end of the war she was disassembled and taken by rail to Munich, where 'U 1' is on view still today.
http://www.deutsches-museum.de/en/
From 14th December 2006 until 13th December 2007 including, there is chance to get a special QSL card of the special event station DA 0 UBOOT (MF 996)
In addition, the submarines 'U 995' DL 0 DMB and 'Wilhelm Bauer' DL 0 MFK are going to be activated by MF-Runde throughout this event year.
For more details concerning this new award please see:
http://www.marinefunker.de/eng/show.php3?pos=5#UBOOT
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Wow, U-Boats on the air at Christmastime. Just gives me the warm fuzzies.
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Nice story...good information. Thanks for the heads up.....will be looking for the special events station on the air!
Kelly
www.k7su.4t.com
I love the line in the story, "The memorial also serves the memory of submariners who lost their life in times of peace. But as well it is a reminder for all victims of the U-Boat War." Reminder of what? They'll be back?
Regardless the tranaslation issues above, it still sounds like a good event to listen for.
M3GID
12-14-2006, 02:23 PM
The only "boats" in or on the air that I knew of were Catalina's and Sunderlands - now there's a piece of history for you! They do say that only they that win wars write history.....I guess it's true! Watch out for a new initiative in the UK coming to your radio soon........you've heard of submarines on the air......Summits....Islands.......Light-houses.........Public Houses.....how about PC's on the air??
PC? I hear you ask......Personal Compu.......NO.........Police Constab.....NO.........Politically Correct.....NO........
PUBLIC CONVENIENCE ON THE AIR! No doubt to be followed closely by Air on the air!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to one and all
73 de Geoff
M0GID
My great grandfather designed and built a submarine for the US Navy about that same time. Unfortunately, it was supposed to be a surface ship and all hands and a dog were lost.
W9WHE
12-14-2006, 03:30 PM
The captured German U-boat, #505, is on display in Chicago. After the Navy finished with it, it was brought to Chicago's MSI. Its a terrific exhibit. Pity it no longer has any original radio equipment in it! However, it would be a nice idea to operate from it.
W9WHE
kl7aj
12-14-2006, 04:12 PM
Golly! I didn't know those things could fly! Those wild and crazy Germans!
Eric
KD6NIG
12-14-2006, 06:03 PM
Just imagine if the technology used in Submarines had been about 10 years earlier.
Could have meant an entirely different outcome.
Modern subs today, as quiet as they are, and with the weaponry they carry, would have been lethal in that time.
WD4AWO
12-14-2006, 06:10 PM
Quote[/b] ]From 14th December 2006 until 13th December 2007 including, there is chance to get a special QSL card of the special event station DA 0 UBOOT (MF 996)
In addition, the submarines 'U 995' DL 0 DMB and 'Wilhelm Bauer' DL 0 MFK are going to be activated by MF-Runde throughout this event year.
No Thanks!!!!
n0uyx
12-14-2006, 06:51 PM
Well now lets see.........german u-boats.......well that was an admirable thing to remember. How many innocents did they kill? Yeah this fits into the catagory with the fascist muslims who look for every little excuse to kill. Why is this in the headlines? When will we pull our heads out of our butts? Ignorance fills the air once again !!!!!!!!
al7ii
12-14-2006, 08:01 PM
I will be looking forward to working this Special Event Station. Even though Nazism was an evil that had to be destroyed, the U-Boat Force suffered tremdous losses, over an 85% casualty rate. Most of the soldiers and saliors that fought, didn't fight for Hitler, they fought for Germany, and that is a distinction that must be remembered. I read this long ago somewhere, " In the seas, and on the battlefields are many graves, graves that must be remembered as memorials, not to the Nations that were at war, not to the idealogies that were fought for and against, but for those who gave their lives for their countries, and for their countrymen. For isn't the heart of the soldier and sailor the most pure, for when his country called he answered, and his heart made pure by the blood he gave for his country and comrades in arms. While we can say his country's ideals are wrong, his leaders corrupt, the soldier, he isn't wrong, he died for the most noble reasons, for his comrades and countryman, and for his family."
I will be honored to work the special event station, while I despise Nazi Germany, it's leaders, and the evil that it perputrated, I have respect for those who fought and died for Germany, for their country, and their countryman.
KC8VWM
12-14-2006, 09:18 PM
Nice QSL cards huh?
http://www.marinefunker.de/deu/images/mf-uboot_qsl_k3.jpg
http://www.marinefunker.de/deu/images/mf-uboot_dip_k3.jpg
Some people might find this interesting:
U Boats 1939-1945 (http://uboat.net/boats/index05.html)
Great post, AL7II. #When the US submarine Batfish sank her third Japanese sub in three days back in 1944...an unprecedented accomplishment...her skipper got on the announce system and reminded his crew that they had just sent to the bottom of the sea a boat full of fellow submariners, that he knew they were sad that such a thing was necessary. #Sub sailors are the most closeknit brotherhood there is. #But he also mentioned that in war, it had to be that way, and that, if the tables had been turned, the enemy would certainly have sunk the Batfish. #"In the course of their duty," it was a necessity that the battle be carried out successfully. #It was a moving statement, and quite true, a perfect example of grudging admiration for an enemy even as they fought to the death.
There are 16 WWII submarines around the country...including the Batfish, in Muskogee, Oklahoma, and from where WW2SUB is often heard on the air...and they are set up as memorial ships to the 3,500 American sub sailors who are still on "eternal patrol" from that war. #There is also the aforementioned U-505 in Chicago. #Many of them have authentic radio gear in their shacks as well as ham gear for occasional special events. #I've had the pleasure of writing several books about these submarines, and it has been a thrill to talk with and hear the true stories told by many of the men who lived them. #They are an amazing bunch...and thank God they were there when most of our navy was on fire in Pearl Harbor! #As we rapidly lose them, though, the only things left are precious few of their boats. #You should visit some of them. #It is a worthwhile experience!
Don N4KC
www.donkeith.com
W5HTW
12-14-2006, 10:47 PM
I do not choose to relive WW-II, so will be listening for the U-boats on the air. Having been to Germany and to Japan, as a friend, not a foe, I don't plan to get hung up on the past misdeeds of either nation.
Hope to catch them on the radio!
Ed
k3mbz
12-14-2006, 10:52 PM
Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 14 2006,11:51)]Well now lets see.........german u-boats.......well that was an admirable thing to remember. How many innocents did they kill? Yeah this fits into the catagory with the fascist muslims who look for every little excuse to kill. Why is this in the headlines? When will we pull our heads out of our butts? Ignorance fills the air once again !!!!!!!!
The folks complaining about the 'correctness' of this are probably the same who said 'what's the big deal' when some Japanese-Americans complained about the Enola Gay exhibit.
As one who has lost an immediate family member to war I know all too well of the loss.
Besides - the Germans and Japanese are now our allies, we cannot condemn todays generation for the trespasses of their forefathers.
Do we not DX with Germany, Japan, and other former aggressors? Why should this be any different? Perhaps the last DX contact you had was a relative of a Luftwaffe ace or Kamikaze.
It's history folks - like it or not. Learn from it, or be destined to repeat it.
Ignorance indeed...
K3MBZ,
Great post, I fully agree. War is war, no matter who is fighting it or who dies...it still hurts people. and most of the folks fighting the war want it to be over soon, no matter which side they are on. and no matter how far back into history you go, this has been the case.
But the fact remains, war has shaped our history as human beings going back to the earliest of mans ancestors. war is also fought in the animal kingdom...Meerkats, wolves, ants...all mount raids on other colonies of their own kind for various reasons. there are also wars between species such as lions vs hyenas, wasps vs bees, etc...nobody wants war, but at some point or another, everyone will feel war. its just how it is.
Whether its Pearl Harbor, German U boats, the A bombs in Japan or terrorists flying planes into towers...large numbers of people will call these acts an abomination...and there will always be an entirely different group somewhere that will celebrate these acts as a huge victory. #
So i see this special events station as a celebration of the men who fought and died for their country, they went into the subs knowing full well what the survival rate was for German submariners, yet they did not waiver in their duties...whether they agreed deep down with what they were asked to do or not, they did their job. and most paid the price.
I would be happy to work the stations and swap cards with them...because I honor fighting men no matter where they are.
....oh yeah, that and for the simple fact that i am just a ham radio operator, i like talking to people...im not out to change the world or make a big stand, i just want to enjoy my life. there are men and women in Iraq right now, from various different nations, who wont be home for the holidays...some will never come home...so i had better enjoy my freetime here in the states, all comfortable in my shack, with a kitchen downstairs and my family nearby...i have no complaints, i really dont have a right to complain.
By the way, those are very nice looking cards. #relax guys, get on the air...JA's and DL's are my friends and I would flip over if a YI or a YA called me! lets play radio and be thankful that you still can....this is why P5 is so high on the list!
Well, anyway folks...posts and threads with a slightly controversial slant dont seem to last very long on QRZ before being censored right off...maybe its better this way, we spend way too much time on this website infighting and getting all worked up anyway. so read what you can and enjoy it while its here.
73...Adam, N7YA
w5tfw
12-14-2006, 11:56 PM
GEEZ, #This is not politics, this is AMATEUR RADIO, we are not at WAR its OVER, #IF you dont want to work them dont but GROW UP.
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #Joey # W5TFW
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #QSL Manager USS KIDD DD 661 W5KID
kf4vgx
12-15-2006, 03:18 AM
Well said Joey .
WD8AQS
12-15-2006, 04:59 AM
I remember reading in a communications magazine some years back that Germany flooded the ports of Europe with cheap radios just before or at the beginning of hostilities. They hoped these radios would find their way aboard merchant ships, making it possible for the German subs and raiders to locate these ships by DF. It seems that the radios oscillator made a handy little beacon and the unknowing sailor was transmitting to the enemy while listening to the tunes from home. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
What is pretty scary is that Saudi Arabia now has submarines. Well, at least it is hard to fly those into our buildings.
WD8AQS
12-15-2006, 03:52 PM
Quote[/b] (k5co @ Dec. 15 2006,08:26)]What is pretty scary is that Saudi Arabia now has submarines. Well, at least it is hard to fly those into our buildings.
What is really scary is Iran's 3 Killo Class subs that can carry wake-homing and acoustic torpedoes plus they are great little mine layers. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
M3GID
12-15-2006, 04:27 PM
Crikey......what bets on the code - no code argument looming up on the horizon?
DL & JA are indeed our friends now and for sure we aren't at war......but did this thread really need to come from VK land via G land regarding DL land on a website in W/K/A Land?
I simply put my bit down as a mischievous act of rebellion and I suspect most of you guys did too, I get fed up with these so-called (and self styled) news jockeys filling qrz with any crap they can lay their hands on with one iota of "relevance" to radio! Do they get paid commission or something?
MM0RZZ
12-15-2006, 06:45 PM
I assume we will have to work them ....USB..!!
Above and below the waves ..on all sides...many brave men.
73s #Ken, #now..where,s ma lovely T1 key...
Quote[/b] (M3GID @ Dec. 15 2006,09:27)]Crikey......what bets on the code - no code argument looming up on the horizon?
DL & JA are indeed our friends now and for sure we aren't at war......but did this thread really need to come from VK land via G land regarding DL land on a website in W/K/A Land?
I simply put my bit down as a mischievous act of rebellion and I suspect most of you guys did too, I get fed up with these so-called (and self styled) news jockeys filling qrz with any crap they can lay their hands on with one iota of "relevance" to radio! Do they get paid commission or something?
"DL& JA are indeed our friends now and for sure we aren't at war......but did this thread really need to come from VK land via G land regarding DL land on a website in W/K/A Land?"
Well, We are radio ops, sounds like a good day of garden variety dxing on the web to me. :-)
"Iget fed up with these so-called (and self styled) news jockeys filling qrz with any crap they can lay their hands on with one iota of "relevance" to radio! Do they get paid commission or something?"
Bingo! clicks mean revenue...let the fireworks continue. smart business in my opinion.
73...Adam, N7YA
k3mbz
12-15-2006, 11:01 PM
Quote[/b] (M3GID @ Dec. 14 2006,07:23)]PUBLIC CONVENIENCE ON THE AIR! No doubt to be followed closely by Air on the air!
OK Geoff, would you please translate your UK english to USA english?
Public convenience = public bathroom?
Perhaps there will be a special event station honoring Thomas Crapper?
73 OM & Merry Christmas!
I'll work em!! I dont care who it is...but somehow i think that qsl would look cool.
I dont know, i understood Geoff's English just fine...english is still english to me. playing with radios helps me to understand nuances in pronounciation and accents better...and i think a "Public Convenience" special event station would look nice in the log.
Unfortunately, right now all i can work or hear is Air on the Air...and a lot of sun noise too. not a very special event for us right now...its great for the 6-and-up crowd, but no love for the HF DXer today.
73...Adam, N7YA
"I remember reading in a communications magazine some years back that Germany flooded the ports of Europe with cheap radios"
And, I remember that after the war, Japan supplied a ton of cheap radios.
W0HSN
12-17-2006, 03:47 AM
A friend of mine has the original key out of the radio room on the U-505. I had a great time sending with it. He is planning on donating it to the museum. What a Key!
MM0RZZ
12-17-2006, 12:14 PM
That should be a Telefunken Baumiester T1, bakelite
enclosed key. Smooth as cream, the only straight key I use nowadays. If your a CW fan and see one ..buy it ! Though the war issue ones (with the swastika on) now fetch silly money.
kf4lqt
12-17-2006, 11:03 PM
Quote[/b] (al7ii @ Dec. 14 2006,13:01)]I will be looking forward to working this Special Event Station. #Even though Nazism was an evil that had to be destroyed, the U-Boat Force suffered tremdous losses, over an 85% casualty rate. #Most of the soldiers and saliors that fought, didn't fight for Hitler, they fought for Germany, and that is a distinction that must be remembered. I read this long ago somewhere, " In the seas, and on the battlefields are many graves, graves that must be remembered as memorials, not to the Nations that were at war, not to the idealogies that were fought for and against, but for those who gave their lives for their countries, and for their countrymen. #For isn't the heart of the soldier and sailor the most pure, for when his country called he answered, and his heart made pure by the blood he gave for his country and comrades in arms. #While we can say his country's ideals are wrong, his leaders corrupt, the soldier, he isn't wrong, he died for the most noble reasons, for his comrades and countryman, and for his family."
I will be honored to work the special event station, while I despise Nazi Germany, it's leaders, and the evil that it perputrated, I have respect for those who fought and died for Germany, for their country, and their countryman.
Well stated!
Thank You
Quote[/b] (MM0RZZ @ Dec. 17 2006,05:14)]That should be a Telefunken Baumiester T1, bakelite
enclosed key. Smooth as cream, the only straight key I use nowadays. #If your a CW fan and see one ..buy it ! #Though the war issue ones (with the swastika on) now fetch silly money.
Trust me, im keeping my eye out for one...not a big nazi collector, mind you, but its still a fine collectible...i love keys. I did buy a key in Gettysbug, PA that was battlefield dug from WWII in Berlin from the final allied push on Berlin, I also have a small section of telegraph line from Mechanicsburg, PA that was used to send warning to union generals about the advancing confederate troops on Gettysburg during the US civil war...I guess i like interesting items with a story.
Anyway, it doesnt have much to do with German subs, but since we were talking about it, why not.
73...Adam, N7YA
Speaking of submarines, the first successful submarine (the 1st to sink an enemy ship) is on display in Charleston, South Carolina - the CSS Hunley. 1864 vintage.
w7auw
12-18-2006, 09:04 AM
Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 14 2006,11:51)]Well now lets see.........german u-boats.......well that was an admirable thing to remember. How many innocents did they kill? Yeah this fits into the catagory with the fascist muslims who look for every little excuse to kill. Why is this in the headlines? When will we pull our heads out of our butts? Ignorance fills the air once again !!!!!!!!
my german wienner looks like a submarine, with mustard it's a yellow submarine. The queen doesn't complain and it's all voyage to the bottom of the sea................and at times the hunt for red octoberfest.....
Quote[/b] (ke7auw @ Dec. 18 2006,02:04)]Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 14 2006,11:51)]Well now lets see.........german u-boats.......well that was an admirable thing to remember. How many innocents did they kill? Yeah this fits into the catagory with the fascist muslims who look for every little excuse to kill. Why is this in the headlines? When will we pull our heads out of our butts? Ignorance fills the air once again !!!!!!!!
my german wienner looks like a submarine, with mustard it's a yellow submarine. #The queen doesn't complain and it's all voyage to the bottom of the sea................and at times the hunt for red octoberfest.....
Sounds like you already found it. :-)
N7COA
12-18-2006, 09:43 PM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif The unterseebooten did indeed have a high loss rate, especially when the allies got air coverage over the convoys in the Atlantic Ocean. Some good books to read about the US subs in WWII are "Submarine" by Edward L. Beach and "Dust on the Sea". Another is about the USS Tang written by Dick O'Kane. Some excellent stories about our boats in the Pacific, their losses and successes. The names Trigger, Albacore, Cavalla, Tang, Wahoo, Archerfish rate high in US submaring history.
N2VHZ
12-19-2006, 05:57 PM
Interestingly enough, Dresden is the city where the Germans left all the fire-soot on the buildings as a reminder that the Americans and British bombed the crap out of them at the end of World War 2.
I've been there a few times and they don't like Americans or British very much.
They actually sell postcards of the fire bombed and destroyed city that are pictures taken directly after the bombings.
Aren't the U-Boats responsible for destroying U.S. and British passenger ships during WW1 and WW2?
What a weird event to have a type of celebration.
What will they have next, the concentration camps will have a special event station commemorating the first stoking of the ovens or the first death in a gas chamber?
In those days that was a technological wonder too.
For psycho sick Germans who also claim that " it didn't happen like that"!
Give me a break. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
w7auw
12-19-2006, 07:20 PM
Quote[/b] (N2VHZ @ Dec. 19 2006,10:57)]Interestingly enough, Dresden is the city where the Germans left all the fire-soot on the buildings as a reminder that the Americans and British bombed the crap out of them at the end of World War 2.
I've been there a few times and they don't like Americans or British very much.
They actually sell postcards of the fire bombed and destroyed city that are pictures taken directly after the bombings.
Aren't the U-Boats responsible for destroying U.S. and British passenger ships during WW1 and WW2?
What a weird event to have a type of celebration.
What will they have next, the concentration camps will have a special event station commemorating the first stoking of the ovens or the first death in a gas chamber?
In those days that was a technological wonder too.
For psycho sick Germans who also claim that " it didn't happen like that"!
Give me a break. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
We shouldn't have bombed Dresden. That has been lamented time and time again. But you have to let it go and just have fun w/the event station and get qsl carb you won't ever be able to get again. Only demons remember the sins of the past. If you won't forgive He won't forgive you.............'O Tannenbaum O' Tannenbaum dee dee dee dee dee dumm dumm........
K8MHZ
12-21-2006, 02:55 AM
Quote[/b] ]There are 16 WWII submarines around the country...including the Batfish, in Muskogee, Oklahoma
Wow, only 16?
I can't believe that I have the honor to work the amateur station in the USS Silversides almost anytime I want to. She has an Icom IC-735 just like the one I have here and I have spent some great times in her radio room.
Just tonight I had the honor of the presence of my better half's father, James Austin, a WWII sub vet. We watched my daughter, K0LEY, play flute in a concert tonight.
The things we take for granted....
Quote[/b] (n0uyx @ Dec. 14 2006,11:51)]Well now lets see.........german u-boats.......well that was an admirable thing to remember. How many innocents did they kill? Yeah this fits into the catagory with the fascist muslims who look for every little excuse to kill. Why is this in the headlines? When will we pull our heads out of our butts? Ignorance fills the air once again !!!!!!!!
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif sic transit gloria and all the inappropriate political no no`s here. ahem problems, oh i mean "issues"...
big deal..
KC0QIT
01-01-2007, 09:56 PM
Zu dem Deutsches U-Boot Waffen 2007 De KC0QIT;
#Yes; the "war" (against the "evel empire") IS behind us....however, as a historian, whithout portfolio, I AM compelled to site some facts which will "clear-the-ether" {Hi,Hi}. The NEGATIVE comments over the AMATEUR RADIO special event, involving a U-Boot, is only
indictitive of the "small-minds" who make them, and are NOT considering the tremendous contributions made in submarine design /tactics by our GERMAN ALLIES. in the 21st. century!
#The movie "U-571" was an (incorrect switch from the British to the American "Silent Service") account of brave submariners who risked their lives, to secure the much saught after ENIGMA MACNINE (die Suschelzusatz-"stir around the sentance"), the first wartime Morse Code encription message system, managed by grand admiral
Herr Karl Doenitz. This 4-wheel "electro-machinical" keyboarded device kept the ALLIES from tracking the deadly "wolfpacks" (Rudletatic), which sank our ships faster than we could build them! A long lost fact in history, is that N.J. residents, prior to 12/07/41, would go to the beaches with binoculars, to see the tankers, etc. "get-hit & sink"!
#Today, the NEW GERMANY builds some of the best "diesel-electric" submarines for "coastal defense", sold in the fierce international export market. Only Holland & Sweden come close... # Double hulls/silent creeper motors/fuel-cell driven "high-speed"electric drives/AIP drive systmes developed from the "closed-cycle" Sterling modle/radar invisible Snorkels/CAD hulls whose lineage harkens back to the AMERICAN ALBICORE, are just a few of the great strides which are a reality today.
#I for one, will uphon my arrival to "0" land, will try my hardest, with only my barefoot I-C 730 (Quad-conversion IF front end) HF try to work this special event. Memories of what my "Grandpa: Herr Herman Heisch" told me of my
U-Boat building ancestors from Bremen, will be filling my mind as I tune my VFO.
#Should one question my assertions as to the "high-tech-quality", of the NEW U-BOATS; guess who the nation of Isreal receintly bought it's new coastal submarine coastal fleet from....you guessed it!
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #73 KCOQIT #
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AF6HA
01-06-2007, 04:52 AM
Been a while since I last posted, but figured this was a good thread to contribute to....
My grandfather was a "Seaman Deuce" onboard USS GUADALCANAL (CVE 60?) during WWII in the Atlantic when "she" captured the U-505. Of course, I didn't find this out until after I joined the Navy just a couple of years ago (1984).
In 1988 I volunteered for submarine duty, and spent three months in Rotten Groton in early 1989 for basic sub school, and advanced admin for sub Yeomen. My first boat ws USS FLORIDA (SSBN 728)(GOLD) in Bangor, WA.
Flash forwarding to Oct 98 - Jun 01, I found myself in Stuttgart, GE at HQ, U.S. European Command. Sep 00 saw me pass mmy Tech test at Baumholder American High School just north of Ramstein AB (K-Town). I applied for and was granted the German call of DA6GYV.
July 01 saw me COD out to USS JOHN C. STENNIS (CVN 74), at the time, underway of the coast of SoCal. We deployed in Nov 01 (two months early) in support of OEF. Papa (my grandfather) was able to meet us in Pearl on the return leg (May 02) and sail back with us to San Dawg. Stepping into HB-2, he took a look around, inhaled a great big breath of air and, turning to me, said "Son, she's a hell of a lot bigger but still smells the same!"
I hope to upgrade prior to recent changes coming down the line, and work these stations.
Not too much about the special event stations, but enough for me to ramble on for a minute or two.
73,
Ken
KC2GYV
Fallon, NV