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What would an ACLU nativity scene look like....check it out.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news....D=53181 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53181)
KE5FRF
12-01-2006, 01:09 PM
HEHEHE. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
ac4ut
12-01-2006, 01:21 PM
We could also do one depicting the three branches of our government.
Anyone know who has the copyrights for MOE,LARRY and CURLY?
I don't want the whole south to leave the union again, maybe just Tennessee.
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Dec. 01 2006,07:28)]What would an ACLU nativity scene look like....check it out.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news....D=53181 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53181)
Well Danno, you're the expert. Try to remember that Commies are the ones that are trying to take our rights away. I know it's been awhile, but that's how it worked in the old Soviet Union. Oh, and don't be so upset. I'm certain they'll add you and say 2WH next time so that they'll be no complaints from the right of equal time. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Oh, and another nice troll, from the master baiter. Way to go. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
KF0RT
12-01-2006, 01:38 PM
Speaking of tasteless displays of self-righteous indignation, wouldn't now be a good time to order your supply of WorldNetDaily "The Reason for the Season" refrigerator magnets (http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=1795&RELATED_ITEM_ID=1792)?
"They make great stocking stuffers" afterall...
Har...
73, Rob
W3MIV
12-01-2006, 02:05 PM
While I think the idea of the "ACLU crèche" is silly and purposeless beyond a shallow appeal to controversy, Baldwin was one of many who were duped by the Soviets and returned crying that they had "seen the future" (which, if memory serves, was the phrase used by Shaw).
It is a salutary lesson to remember how very deluded those eminent "intellectuals" were (and always deluded by themselves first and foremost), but it is one that far-left liberals need to be reminded of from time to time. They can still delude themselves far too easily, not least about the efficacy of the wasteful domestic programs they all too often initiate. The road to Hell is not paved merely with good intentions, my and your money covers much of the stretch.
The refrigerator magnets, BTW, seem to be a mixed metaphor of the kind that also reminds us how easy it is to lose sight of true message of Christmas -- which is not about trees, however fulsomely decorated.
73 to all
w5klb
12-01-2006, 04:16 PM
Why do we celebrate Christmas? Because it is a federally recognized holiday of a Jewish Philosopher who has inspired our culture. This culture has worked for 230 years in our country and has made us the MOST GENEROUS NATION IN THE WORLD. And now the Secular-Progressives, backed by their legal department, the ACLU, wants to destroy our mainstream traditions that haved worked for 230 years. Mainstream America is revolting and taking back Christmas much to the dismay of most Secular-Progressives and the ACLU.
To to EVERYONE here on this forum, and most especially #the Secular-Progressives, I wish you all a joyous Christmas Season.
KC2PBJ
12-01-2006, 04:20 PM
Since such a display falls under their view of separation of church and state, does this mean that they would sue themselves?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
n2ize
12-01-2006, 05:20 PM
Quote[/b] (w5klb @ Dec. 01 2006,09:16)]Why do we celebrate Christmas? Because it is a federally recognized holiday of a Jewish Philosopher who has inspired our culture. This culture has worked for 230 years in our country and has made us the MOST GENEROUS NATION IN THE WORLD. And now the Secular-Progressives, backed by their legal department, the ACLU, wants to destroy our mainstream traditions that haved worked for 230 years. Mainstream America is revolting and taking back Christmas much to the dismay of most Secular-Progressives and the ACLU.
To to EVERYONE here on this forum, and most especially the Secular-Progressives, I wish you all a joyous Christmas Season.
Christmas should not be a Federal holiday. What they should do is designate a particular day of the year (could be close to the same date) and designate it as a generic holiday. It should not be designated in the name of any occultist calendar. I happen to like Christmas but I ( should have no right to display occult scenery in public spaces.
What has happened in this country is that Christmas has been sort of divided into 2 parts or elements. The occult and the non-occult. The non-occult i.e. represetned by christmas trees, candy canes, Santa Clause, sleigh bells, pine trees, and songs like "Jingle Bells", "Here Comes Santa", etc/ etc. The occult part represented by nativity scenes, church ceremonies and songs like "Silent Night" etc. The non-occult part i.e. ca Christmas tree, a picture of Santa,is more or less deemed okay to display in public places, where the occult part is not cool to display in public space. All this is further complicated by seemeing very unofficial and varying tremendously from place to place.
My feelings are that any theme that is displayed that is a direct representation of the occult should be stricken from public display, as it violates the rights of others. Further, the name of the Federal holiday should be changed to something other than "christmas".
Lastly, there is enough private space to display and celebrate Christmas without infringing on the rights of others.
K0RGR
12-01-2006, 06:27 PM
Nice to see that the WorldNutsDaily view of the world hasn't changed any recently.
If you want something phony to rant about, rant about that deal in Chicago. A real Christian would be offended if the city allowed the commercial movie studio to advertise their latest schlock in the middle of a manger scene! Why do young conservatives hate America and our real freedoms so much?
W3MIV
12-01-2006, 07:25 PM
Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Dec. 01 2006,14:27)]Nice to see that the WorldNutsDaily view of the world hasn't changed any recently.
If you want something phony to rant about, rant about that deal in Chicago. A real Christian would be offended if the city allowed the commercial movie studio to advertise their latest schlock in the middle of a manger scene! Why do young conservatives hate America and our real freedoms so much?
What I don't understand is how any of this offends anyone. If I am confronted by an advertisement, whether in a manger or on a bus or in a mall, I simply ignore it and move on.
What bit of ego gratification requires someone to get up in arms over it? Let 'em advertise their movies if they so choose. It is harmless. Being exposed to a Christmas display -- manger or Santa Claus -- is harmless.
Atheism in the guise of many who propound it around here has become as intolerant as the fundamentalism about which those same folks complain.
Whiners all.
ac4ut
12-01-2006, 07:37 PM
I agree that there are much more important issues to settle that displays.
May the spirit of the season be with us all!
n2ize
12-01-2006, 08:07 PM
Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 01 2006,12:25)]Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Dec. 01 2006,14:27)]Nice to see that the WorldNutsDaily view of the world hasn't changed any recently.
If you want something phony to rant about, rant about that deal in Chicago. A real Christian would be offended if the city allowed the commercial movie studio to advertise their latest schlock in the middle of a manger scene! Why do young conservatives hate America and our real freedoms so much?
What I don't understand is how any of this offends anyone. If I am confronted by an advertisement, whether in a manger or on a bus or in a mall, I simply ignore it and move on.
What bit of ego gratification requires someone to get up in arms over it? Let 'em advertise their movies if they so choose. It is harmless. Being exposed to a Christmas display -- manger or Santa Claus -- is harmless.
Atheism in the guise of many who propound it around here has become as intolerant as the fundamentalism about which those same folks complain.
Whiners all.
It's offensive to the deeply religious because you are using one of the most sacred elements of the Christianity as a means to pitch a sale. Christians have a right to be deeply offended by their most holy and sacred holiday being used in such a way.
Likewise, it's equally offensive to some to use public space for a display of occultism.
There is plenty of space to advertise upon without infringing on someones most sacred and most holy symbols. Likewise there is plenty of private space upon which to preach religious doctrine and display religious symbols without infringing on public space.
W3MIV
12-01-2006, 09:29 PM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 01 2006,16:07)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 01 2006,12:25)]Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Dec. 01 2006,14:27)]Nice to see that the WorldNutsDaily view of the world hasn't changed any recently.
If you want something phony to rant about, rant about that deal in Chicago. A real Christian would be offended if the city allowed the commercial movie studio to advertise their latest schlock in the middle of a manger scene! Why do young conservatives hate America and our real freedoms so much?
What I don't understand is how any of this offends anyone. If I am confronted by an advertisement, whether in a manger or on a bus or in a mall, I simply ignore it and move on.
What bit of ego gratification requires someone to get up in arms over it? Let 'em advertise their movies if they so choose. It is harmless. Being exposed to a Christmas display -- manger or Santa Claus -- is harmless.
Atheism in the guise of many who propound it around here has become as intolerant as the fundamentalism about which those same folks complain.
Whiners all.
It's offensive to the deeply religious because you are using one of the most sacred elements of the Christianity as a means to pitch a sale. Christians have a right to be deeply offended by their most holy and sacred holiday being used in such a way.
Likewise, it's equally offensive to some to use public space for a display of occultism.
There is plenty of space to advertise upon without infringing on someones most sacred and most holy symbols. Likewise there is plenty of private space upon which to preach religious doctrine and display religious symbols without infringing on public space.
Bull hockey. So long as it not a Hakenkreuz, let 'em display it. If someone wants to sell a movie about Christmas by hawking it as part of a nativity scene, who really cares?
You guys are all going over the edge on this stuff. It ain't that important.
n2ize
12-01-2006, 09:44 PM
Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 01 2006,14:29)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 01 2006,16:07)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 01 2006,12:25)]Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Dec. 01 2006,14:27)]Nice to see that the WorldNutsDaily view of the world hasn't changed any recently.
If you want something phony to rant about, rant about that deal in Chicago. A real Christian would be offended if the city allowed the commercial movie studio to advertise their latest schlock in the middle of a manger scene! Why do young conservatives hate America and our real freedoms so much?
What I don't understand is how any of this offends anyone. If I am confronted by an advertisement, whether in a manger or on a bus or in a mall, I simply ignore it and move on.
What bit of ego gratification requires someone to get up in arms over it? Let 'em advertise their movies if they so choose. It is harmless. Being exposed to a Christmas display -- manger or Santa Claus -- is harmless.
Atheism in the guise of many who propound it around here has become as intolerant as the fundamentalism about which those same folks complain.
Whiners all.
It's offensive to the deeply religious because you are using one of the most sacred elements of the Christianity as a means to pitch a sale. Christians have a right to be deeply offended by their most holy and sacred holiday being used in such a way.
Likewise, it's equally offensive to some to use public space for a display of occultism.
There is plenty of space to advertise upon without infringing on someones most sacred and most holy symbols. Likewise there is plenty of private space upon which to preach religious doctrine and display religious symbols without infringing on public space.
Bull hockey. So long as it not a Hakenkreuz, let 'em display it. If someone wants to sell a movie about Christmas by hawking it as part of a nativity scene, who really cares?
You guys are all going over the edge on this stuff. It ain't that important.
That is your personal feeling. But some religious people feel quite differently. They find such use/misuse of a sacred symbol as obscene and highly offensive. I agree, it really means little and I could hardly care if they put a Christmas display in a public space. But for some it is offensive and I can understand their point of view.
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Dec. 01 2006,02:36)]Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Dec. 01 2006,07:28)]What would an ACLU nativity scene look like....check it out.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news....D=53181 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53181)
Well Danno, you're the expert. #Try to remember that Commies are the ones that are trying to take our rights away. #I know it's been awhile, but that's how it worked in the old Soviet Union. #Oh, and don't be so upset. I'm certain they'll add you and say 2WH next time so that they'll be no complaints from the right of equal time. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Oh, and another nice troll, from the master baiter. #Way to go. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Why thank you sir for honorable mention http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
K0HWY
12-01-2006, 11:10 PM
It's ironic that our government will send military personnel halfway around the world to fight groups that are a threat to our freedom while allowing the biggest threat to America, the ACLU, to run unchecked right under their noses.
KC5SAS
12-02-2006, 12:04 AM
Quote[/b] (K0HWY @ Dec. 01 2006,16:10)]It's ironic that our government will send military personnel halfway around the world to fight groups that are a threat to our freedom while allowing the biggest threat to America, the ACLU, to run unchecked right under their noses.
I disagree. The ACLU works to protect the freedoms of Americans.
n2ize
12-02-2006, 12:09 AM
Quote[/b] (K0HWY @ Dec. 01 2006,16:10)]It's ironic that our government will send military personnel halfway around the world to fight groups that are a threat to our freedom while allowing the biggest threat to America, the ACLU, to run unchecked right under their noses.
Aside from the military, the ACLU is one of the few organizations devoted to protecting our rights. You may not agree with everything they do but they are valuable in as far as keeping potential threats to our rights in check. In America our rights and freedoms are paramount, thats why men have fought to protect them.
Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Dec. 01 2006,17:09)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Dec. 01 2006,02:36)]Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Dec. 01 2006,07:28)]What would an ACLU nativity scene look like....check it out.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news....D=53181 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53181)
Well Danno, you're the expert. Try to remember that Commies are the ones that are trying to take our rights away. I know it's been awhile, but that's how it worked in the old Soviet Union. Oh, and don't be so upset. I'm certain they'll add you and say 2WH next time so that they'll be no complaints from the right of equal time. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Oh, and another nice troll, from the master baiter. Way to go. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Why thank you sir for honorable mention http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
In fact, if I can find any pix of both of you, I'll put them in my Creche. I'm certain that you'll make a lovely couple. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
KC9JIQ
12-02-2006, 12:32 AM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 01 2006,17:09)]Quote[/b] (K0HWY @ Dec. 01 2006,16:10)]It's ironic that our government will send military personnel halfway around the world to fight groups that are a threat to our freedom while allowing the biggest threat to America, the ACLU, to run unchecked right under their noses.
Aside from the military, the ACLU is one of the few organizations devoted to protecting our rights. You may not agree with everything they do but they are valuable in as far as keeping potential threats to our rights in check. In America our rights and freedoms are paramount, thats why men have fought to protect them.
I can only think of three organizations that protect our American rights, the NRA, ACLU, and the ARRL. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
w5klb
12-02-2006, 02:59 AM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 01 2006,10:20)]Quote[/b] (w5klb @ Dec. 01 2006,09:16)]Why do we celebrate Christmas? Because it is a federally recognized holiday of a Jewish Philosopher who has inspired our culture. This culture has worked for 230 years in our country and has made us the MOST GENEROUS NATION IN THE WORLD. And now the Secular-Progressives, backed by their legal department, the ACLU, wants to destroy our mainstream traditions that haved worked for 230 years. Mainstream America is revolting and taking back Christmas much to the dismay of most Secular-Progressives and the ACLU.
To to EVERYONE here on this forum, and most especially #the Secular-Progressives, I wish you all a joyous Christmas Season.
Christmas should not be a Federal holiday. What they should do is designate a particular day of the year (could be close to the same date) and designate it as a generic holiday. It should not be designated in the name of any occultist calendar. #I happen to like Christmas but I ( should have no right #to display occult scenery in public spaces.
What has happened in this country is that Christmas has been sort of divided into 2 parts or elements. The occult and the non-occult. The non-occult i.e. represetned by christmas trees, candy canes, Santa Clause, sleigh bells, #pine trees, #and songs like "Jingle Bells", "Here Comes Santa", etc/ etc. #The occult part #represented by nativity scenes, church ceremonies #and songs like "Silent Night" etc. The non-occult part i.e. ca Christmas tree, a picture of Santa,is more or less deemed okay to display in public places, where #the occult part #is not cool to display in public space. All this is further complicated by seemeing very unofficial and varying tremendously from place to place.
My feelings are that any theme that is displayed that #is a direct representation of the occult should be stricken from public display, as it violates the rights of others. Further, the name of the Federal holiday should be changed to something #other than "christmas".
Lastly, #there is enough private space to display and celebrate Christmas without infringing on the rights of others.
1. No one is forcing you to look at particular Christmas display whether it's private or not.
2. Comparing Christianity to being occult is like comparing apples to oranges and shows a lack of understanding of the Christian faith. I have studied many different faiths including Buddhism, Confucianism, The Tao, and Hinduism including the Vedas and the Upashads. See, to have knowledge of these and other beliefs systems teaches me TOLERANCE and RESPECT for other faiths and the people who hold these faiths. I would also like to learn more about Atheists and Agnostics.
3. The word Christmas has the word "Christ" and our predomately Christian beliefs. These beliefs were good enough to inspire our Constitution and the Framers, guaranteeing your right to voice your opposition to it. #
As evidence by your post, we are in the midst of a culture war. I would like to see the Christmas traditions continue. I would like to see the American Muslims being free to celebrate Ramadan, or the Jewish people celebrate their holidays. Once you destroy the Christian tradition, it will not be long until you destroy the traditions other faiths and beliefs also. #It seems that you and the rest of the S-Ps want to “destroy the Opium of Religion”. I see this quite clearly, and I #will defend my right and other American's rights to practice their faith as they see fit including their religious displays and celebrations.
Merry <span style='color:red'>Christ</span>mas.
kf6rdn
12-02-2006, 04:27 AM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 01 2006,16:09)]Quote[/b] (K0HWY @ Dec. 01 2006,16:10)]It's ironic that our government will send military personnel halfway around the world to fight groups that are a threat to our freedom while allowing the biggest threat to America, the ACLU, to run unchecked right under their noses.
Aside from the military, the ACLU is one of the few organizations devoted to protecting our rights. You may not agree with everything they do but they are valuable in as far as keeping potential threats to our rights in check. In America our rights and freedoms are paramount, thats why men have fought to protect them.
I have to agree. 99% of the time I don't agree with them, but I think it is an important organization.
Sort of a necessary evil.
n4sva
12-02-2006, 04:33 AM
"Communism is the goal"-Roger Baldwin, Founder-ACLU
w3bny
12-05-2006, 12:45 PM
Funny, I thought THIS was the "reason for the season"
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7177/pentacleou4.jpg
In case you missed the photo of the 'ACLU Solstice Barn'.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53247
n2ize
12-06-2006, 01:32 AM
Can't beat WorldNaziDaily.
Quote[/b] ] kf6rdn: 99% of the time I don't agree with them [ACLU], but I think it is an important organization.
Sort of a necessary evil.
As far as your characterization of the ACLU as a "necessary evil" goes, I agree with "evil" but I question the "necessary" part.
From what I have seen of the ACLU (Advocates for Crackpots, Losers, and Undesireables), their primary purpose is to orchestrate the use of governmental force to prevent the expression of any opinion with which they do not agree. #Especially where Christianity is concerned.
The ACLU (American Commie Liberals United) is fond of saying that their "only client is the U.S. Constitution." #What they leave out is that their only client is the U.S. Constitution as they want it to be, not as it was intended to be. #They get away with it more often than not because of the all-too-prevalent idea that the Constitition is a "living document."
Recently, St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana, wanted to erect a memorial to those who lost their lives as a result of Hurricane Katrina. #All well and good until the ACLU (Anti-Christian Lawyers Union) learned that the memorial would include religious symbols (a cross and a Star of David). #They sent a letter to Junior Rodriguez, President of St. Bernard Parish, in which they conveyed their usual veiled threat of litigation if the memorial included religious symbols. #Junior told them to go to hell.
Which is what we all should do.
n2ize
12-06-2006, 05:04 PM
Quote[/b] (K5FH @ Dec. 05 2006,19:35)]Quote[/b] ] kf6rdn: 99% of the time I don't agree with them [ACLU], but I think it is an important organization.
Sort of a necessary evil.
As far as your characterization of the ACLU as a "necessary evil" goes, I agree with "evil" but I question the "necessary" part.
From what I have seen of the ACLU (Advocates for Crackpots, Losers, and Undesireables), their primary purpose is to orchestrate the use of governmental force to prevent the expression of any opinion with which they do not agree. Especially where Christianity is concerned.
The ACLU (American Commie Liberals United) is fond of saying that their "only client is the U.S. Constitution." What they leave out is that their only client is the U.S. Constitution as they want it to be, not as it was intended to be. They get away with it more often than not because of the all-too-prevalent idea that the Constitition is a "living document."
Recently, St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana, wanted to erect a memorial to those who lost their lives as a result of Hurricane Katrina. All well and good until the ACLU (Anti-Christian Lawyers Union) learned that the memorial would include religious symbols (a cross and a Star of David). They sent a letter to Junior Rodriguez, President of St. Bernard Parish, in which they conveyed their usual veiled threat of litigation if the memorial included religious symbols. Junior told them to go to hell.
Which is what we all should do.
Quote[/b] ]
From what I have seen of the ACLU (Advocates for Crackpots, Losers, and Undesireables), their primary purpose is to orchestrate the use of governmental force to prevent the expression of any opinion with which they do not agree. Especially where Christianity is concerned.
The ACLU has stood up for the right of organizations like the KKK to speak their views. Froms what I know about the ACLU they certainly don't believe in the principles of the KKK, just their constitutional right to speak. Many Christians hate the ACLU because they don't stand up for Christianity becoming part of state law procedure and the process of state affairs.
Quote[/b] ]
They get away with it more often than not because of the all-too-prevalent idea that the Constitition is a "living document."
The constitution is a "living document" in the sense that we may interpret it in slightly different ways over time. That makes sense when you consider that life and society as a grouping of people living as a community or nation changes over time. Life is in a constant state of flux as the composition of society changes, as technology brings about change, as we learn new things, etc. When one latches onto a static ideology they stay affixed in one interpretation of the constitution which unfortunately doesn't coincide with the dynamic nature of society.
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Recently, St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana, wanted to erect a memorial to those who lost their lives as a result of Hurricane Katrina. All well and good until the ACLU (Anti-Christian Lawyers Union) learned that the memorial would include religious symbols (a cross and a Star of David). They sent a letter to Junior Rodriguez, President of St. Bernard Parish, in which they conveyed their usual veiled threat of litigation if the memorial included religious symbols. Junior told them to go to hell.
Where were they going to erect the memorial ? If they were going to erect it on church grounds (private property) then there should be no problem. If it were erected on public space then there is the issue of displaying occult symbolism in public space. Most likely someone in Louisiana was offended by this. Perhaps they felt that such a memorial should either represent no particular faith or, by representing only two specific faiths is failing to represent individuals of other faiths who may have died in the incident.
n2ize
12-06-2006, 05:10 PM
Quote[/b] (n4sva @ Dec. 01 2006,21:33)]"Communism is the goal"-Roger Baldwin, Founder-ACLU
You left out a few good parts. During the early 1940's Baldwin also denounced communism after he saw it in practice. He also purged the aclu of and communist members around that same time. Much of Baldwins communist interest occured in his earlier years and before he founded the aclu.
G0GQK
12-06-2006, 10:52 PM
A happy family Christmas to everyone #who gathers at this nut house, and a happy and prosperous New Year. Incidentally, Russians were Christians before they were FORCED to become Communists. You may see pictures on your TV, if they reach America, of everyday Russians celebrating Christmas Mass of the Russian Orthodox Church.
G0GQK