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kg4kww
12-01-2006, 01:39 AM
This is shocking.
So, pull yourselves away from your CW Key and get a taste of the real world.
Louise Ogborn was always willing to take on extra shifts at McDonald's in Mount Washington, Ky. Ogborn's mother had health problems and had recently lost her job, so the 18-year-old did whatever she could to help make ends meet.
On April 9, 2004, Ogborn offered to work through the restaurant's evening rush, trying to be helpful and make a few extra dollars.
"I was just going to eat and then clock back in and help until somebody else came along that could help," she said.
But Ogborn couldn't have known that her noble gesture would turn into a terrifying ordeal that she says will haunt her for the rest of her life.
Do You Want To Still Eat At The Golden Arches? (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2684890&page=1)
N5RLR
12-01-2006, 02:13 AM
Not McDonald's fault.
IMHO, as heinous as the crime was, the woman should be suing the franchise owner and management, not McD Corporate. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
KI4PEQ
12-01-2006, 02:21 AM
What happened in the instance reported wouldn't stop me from eating McDonalds food.
However, I do wonder about the intellegence of the assistant manager. She obviously didn't know her behind from special sauce.
If the victim had been my daughter, I would OWN that store after the lawyers got through suing the assistant manager, the manager, the owner of the franchise, and the McDonalds Corporation.
ka5piu
12-01-2006, 02:34 AM
Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Nov. 30 2006,19:21)]What happened in the instance reported wouldn't stop me from eating McDonalds food.
However, I do wonder about the intellegence of the assistant manager. She obviously didn't know her behind from special sauce.
If the victim had been my daughter, I would OWN that store after the lawyers got through suing the assistant manager, the manager, the owner of the franchise, and the McDonalds Corporation.
Hello.
What happened had nothing to do with McDonalds proper.
What happened is in fact a crime that needs to be delt with by the police and courts and could have happened anywhere, McDonalds, Wal-Mart, or Mom&PopCo.
The fact that McDonalds REQUIRES a camera in the managers office and limits the size is already a good defense.
McDonalds has wanted to allow the recordings of telephone calls but has faced legal challanges.
W2ILP
12-01-2006, 02:59 AM
Should you eat at the golden arches?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Not regualarly and only when you have no better choice.
Try Burger King too...but don't make it a habit.
w2ilp (I Lilke Pancakes) I Hop home to make them myself.
kf6rdn
12-01-2006, 03:34 AM
Quote[/b] ]Should You Eat At the Golden Arches
No, but only because the food is horrible, this story doesnt have much to do with McD's per se.
Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Nov. 29 2006,21:59)]Should you eat at the golden arches?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Not regualarly and only when you have no better choice.
Try Burger King too...but don't make it a habit.
w2ilp (I Lilke Pancakes) I Hop home to make them myself.
Exactly. This incident wasn't McDonalds fault, but rather the franchise and the gullible manager.
Fast food is bad news if you eat it every day. I don't eat there often not because of an incident like this, but rather all that saturated fat is just not good for you.
KI4PEQ
12-01-2006, 04:21 AM
Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ Nov. 30 2006,20:34)]Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Nov. 30 2006,19:21)]What happened in the instance reported wouldn't stop me from eating McDonalds food.
However, I do wonder about the intellegence of the assistant manager. She obviously didn't know her behind from special sauce.
If the victim had been my daughter, I would OWN that store after the lawyers got through suing the assistant manager, the manager, the owner of the franchise, and the McDonalds Corporation.
Hello.
What happened had nothing to do with McDonalds proper.
What happened is in fact a crime that needs to be delt with by the police and courts and could have happened anywhere, McDonalds, Wal-Mart, or Mom&PopCo.
The fact that McDonalds REQUIRES a camera in the managers office and limits the size is already a good defense.
McDonalds has wanted to allow the recordings of telephone calls but has faced legal challanges.
It happened on McDonalds property if it were a company owned store. #if a franchisee store, the employee and the assistant manager were wearing McDonalds uniforms, trained in McDonalds operations, and working in a building that had the McDonalds name all over it. The case could be made that the employee believed that the authority and decisions of the assistant manager would be done in accordance with corporate policy and guidance. Nine people out of ten would not know the difference. The assistant manager held the employee by her authority as the store manager on duty. The assistant manager was obviously ill trained or was grossly negligent.
I believe that one could raise an issue regarding training of the assistant manager if it were a company owned store. The same issue could be used in a franchise store, where the McDonalds Corporation failed to provide the franchisee with training materials for management personnel that would deal with such a situation. McDonalds says that it is in the company manual but no one at the store could remember seeing a rule that prohibited employee searches.
The legal guys go after the people with deep pockets. It probably wouldn't make court, but would be settled out of court with the usual confidentiality agreements. If it got to trial, a jury would have a field day with it. Remember Stella and the hot coffee incident?
Then again, I am not a lawyer, nor do I portray one on television. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
KI4PEQ
12-01-2006, 04:24 AM
Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Nov. 30 2006,20:59)]Try Burger King too...but don't make it a habit.
The amateur radio club gets together for dinner at the BK right after the monthly meeting. Double Whopper with cheese and a large Coca-Cola please. Hold the fries. BK fries suck more than my XYL's new Dyson vacuum.
KC2MDP
12-01-2006, 04:51 AM
Quote[/b] (k6az @ Nov. 30 2006,21:05)]Exactly. This incident wasn't McDonalds fault, but rather the franchise and the gullible manager.
I do not agree. Mc Donalds should be held accountable for the actions of there employees and especially the actions of there mamagers. These people represent the corperation, are made to follow the rules of the corperation and are paid by the corperation. Therefor they are part of the corperation, and when all or part of that corperation screws up they are held liable on a corperate level.
Lack of knowlidge is no excuse when you can apply good common sense.
n7rjd
12-01-2006, 05:02 AM
Just goes to show you don't have to be able to spell IQ to be a McDonald's manager.
I can't believe the manager fell for this or the number of others who followed such outrageous commands. While I can commend the few who refused to be a party to this I would also have to ask why they turned their back on the situation once they left the room. Walking away just wasn't enough in this case.
I hope this girl is able to collect on her lawsuit but feed that it does need to be redirected toward the franchise owner rather than McDonald's corporation.
ka5piu
12-01-2006, 07:35 AM
Hello.
McDonalds has changed its policy with the managers office window.
As it was, there was a requirement for a window in the managers office door.
Now the door must be transparent.
What is the point of a glass door?
Why not take the door off altogether?
There is NOTHING secret in a McDonalds managers office, the manager can not even open the safe.
Anything you can do on the managers computer can be done from any POS terminal.
But, this is fast food, and fast food jockeys are not very bright.
http://www.mcdonalds.com/corp/career/hamburger_university.html
The flapping napkin is exciting.
http://www.bk.com/
A bit better.
http://www.wendys.com/
A better burger by far.
http://www.fuddruckers.com/
All but fuddruckers available in the middle east.
KF0RT
12-01-2006, 10:54 AM
Quote[/b] (k6az @ Nov. 30 2006,21:05)]Exactly. This incident wasn't McDonalds fault, but rather the franchise and the gullible manager.
Kinda what I was thinking. A high degree of gullibility in the victim as well. "I'm sure we can sort this out AFTER the police arrive" would have been an appropriate response.
73, Rob
ac4ut
12-01-2006, 02:08 PM
Comparitive fault is hard to sort out without all the facts and testimony.
On the subject of eating at Mc Donalds, all fast food is generally bad and can kill you.
On the other hand good health is just the slowest path to death.
ka5piu
12-01-2006, 02:33 PM
Hello.
McDonalds is a company that is run totally by upper management.
This is a part of the McDonalds system, everything is the same no matter where you go.
McDonalds came out with this straw dispenser with a pair of knobs on the ends, some people could make it work, a lot of adults could not.
On one of the late eavening TV shows the host explained that he could not even use the McDonalds straw dispenser.
Inside of a month nationwide the push down straw dispenser was out.
This was after just about every store said it did not work well.
Coca Cola decided to come out with New Coke.
Customers hated it, it was really bad stuff.
McDonalds told coke that it was Original formula or Pepsi.
#### went as far as calling the reformulation original formula.
McDonalds is THE coke customer.
So, a lot of what makes McDonalds what it is is the McDonalds system, robots who work like the old bell system, everything is in the manuals.
Lower level management is not very bright.
W1GUH
12-01-2006, 02:41 PM
As far as who gets sued ....the parent company has the deeper pockets.
For burgers...out west it's gotta be In 'n Out.
McD's in general....it's not often, but when it hits, I just
gotta scarf down a Big Mac.
K8MHZ
12-01-2006, 02:46 PM
Quote[/b] ]While I can commend the few who refused to be a party to this I would also have to ask why they turned their back on the situation once they left the room.
Read 'Are We All Nazi's' by Hans Askenasi.
People will do even worse to others if they feel they aren't responsible.
KE5FRF
12-01-2006, 04:04 PM
Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ Dec. 01 2006,09:33)]Hello.
McDonalds is a company that is run totally by upper management.
This is a part of the McDonalds system, everything is the same no matter where you go.
McDonalds came out with this straw dispenser with a pair of knobs on the ends, some people could make it work, a lot of adults could not.
On one of the late eavening TV shows the host explained that he could not even use the McDonalds straw dispenser.
Inside of a month nationwide the push down straw dispenser was out.
This was after just about every store said it did not work well.
Coca Cola decided to come out with New Coke.
Customers hated it, it was really bad stuff.
McDonalds told coke that it was Original formula or Pepsi.
#### went as far as calling the reformulation original formula.
McDonalds is THE coke customer.
So, a lot of what makes McDonalds what it is is the McDonalds system, robots who work like the old bell system, everything is in the manuals.
Lower level management is not very bright.
There is a Freudian slip somewhere in this post.
ka5piu
12-01-2006, 04:08 PM
Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ Dec. 01 2006,09:04)]There is a Freudian slip somewhere in this post.
Hello.
No, just somebody who grew up with American junk food.
W1GUH
12-01-2006, 04:25 PM
Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ Nov. 30 2006,10:04)]Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ Dec. 01 2006,09:33)]Hello.
McDonalds is a company that is run totally by upper management.
This is a part of the McDonalds system, everything is the same no matter where you go.
McDonalds came out with this straw dispenser with a pair of knobs on the ends, some people could make it work, a lot of adults could not.
On one of the late eavening TV shows the host explained that he could not even use the McDonalds straw dispenser.
Inside of a month nationwide the push down straw dispenser was out.
This was after just about every store said it did not work well.
Coca Cola decided to come out with New Coke.
Customers hated it, it was really bad stuff.
McDonalds told coke that it was Original formula or Pepsi.
#### went as far as calling the reformulation original formula.
McDonalds is THE coke customer.
So, a lot of what makes McDonalds what it is is the McDonalds system, robots who work like the old bell system, everything is in the manuals.
Lower level management is not very bright.
There is a Freudian slip somewhere in this post.
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K0RGR
12-01-2006, 04:26 PM
What this story says about our young people is very alarming.
Members of my generation - particularly of the female variety - would have said "F... you, pig!". It wouldn't matter if it was a real cop standing there with a badge and a gun! Apparently, we've raised them today to do whatever authority figures tell them to do without question. I wonder how my own gullible kids would act in this situation. I can't imagine my daughter putting up with any of it, but who knows. This kid was probably on her first real job, and thought she had to do whatever the manager told her. My kids have had enough managers already to know better.
McDonald's did no wrong here, but they will be held liable because their manager was involved, and was not looking out for her employees. The manager should have said "F... you pig!".
I'm disappointed that the 58-year old man involved did not immediately call the real police!
KE5FRF
12-01-2006, 04:39 PM
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kg4kww
12-01-2006, 05:00 PM
AS for me, I will think twice about eating at a fast food joint after this. I think this is just beyond description and I wonder why the others who walked in and saw this girl in the nude didn't call the cops. Were they scared for their jobs? If so, that's still no reason to not do the right thing.
I just hope this girl doesn't do what this chick did to get revenge.
Chick Gets Revenge (http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=17;t=139183)
ka5piu
12-01-2006, 05:34 PM
Hello.
In 1999 I was asked to attend a visit of the King of Saudi Arabia.
Now, I was told prior to this that there would be D&C involved, no big deal.
I show up and am handed a sword, um, OK.
Now, I was told by a DC cop that I could not carry a sword, the weapons card only had rifle on it.
So, an M16 is fine in an embassy but a sword is taboo?
But the regulations say, is what was said.
Kind of like servicemembers who are put thru a metal detector carrying M16 rifles.
This is quite funny, as this seems to happen all the time.
The next such event was in 2002, same thing.
Some cops are like McDonalds managers, they do what they
are told to do.
KF0RT
12-02-2006, 12:21 PM
Anyone else see the 20/20 report on this last night? Un-effing-believable. It was like "how much stupidity can you cram into a phone booth." Manager gets a year of probation and blames McD's for lack of training. Manager's fiancee' gets 5 years in prison (needless to say, the wedding's off). The guy who they think made the call was a prison guard -- he walks. Girl sues McD's for $200 mil.
73, Rob
ab8ro
12-02-2006, 01:40 PM
Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Nov. 30 2006,04:54)]Quote[/b] (k6az @ Nov. 30 2006,21:05)]Exactly. This incident wasn't McDonalds fault, but rather the franchise and the gullible manager.
Kinda what I was thinking. #A high degree of gullibility in the victim as well. #"I'm sure we can sort this out AFTER the police arrive" would have been an appropriate response.
I don't disagree that the victim could have responded differently, but, you can't blame the victim here. A crime was committed by the manager and the mental facilities of the victim do not change that fact. What if the victim were mentally handicapped? McDonalds does hire the mentally handicapped.
The manager is a criminal and should be treated as such. McDonalds does have a responsibility to train its managers and it's not clear whether they live up to that or not.
One thing that is clear is that corporations like to control their employees and their customers so what they say to the public and what they actually believe might not be the same thing.
It's also not a stretch to believe that a young person is that gullable. I know many older people are also gullable and believe whatever they're told by corporation x. I see it every time I shop at one of those stores that believes they have the right to inspect your purchase as you leave. I see people of all ages dutifully waiting in line to be searched without probable cause.
I just walk by and if they ask if they can see my receipt I say "no, you may not."
This is a hoax and ABC is going to be nailed on this one. I mean comeon, it reads like a sex novel with every little detail. This has got to be fake.
K2WH
KF0RT
12-02-2006, 02:16 PM
Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Dec. 02 2006,06:40)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Nov. 30 2006,04:54)]Quote[/b] (k6az @ Nov. 30 2006,21:05)]Exactly. This incident wasn't McDonalds fault, but rather the franchise and the gullible manager.
Kinda what I was thinking. A high degree of gullibility in the victim as well. "I'm sure we can sort this out AFTER the police arrive" would have been an appropriate response.
I don't disagree that the victim could have responded differently, but, you can't blame the victim here. A crime was committed by the manager and the mental facilities of the victim do not change that fact. What if the victim were mentally handicapped? McDonalds does hire the mentally handicapped.
The manager is a criminal and should be treated as such. McDonalds does have a responsibility to train its managers and it's not clear whether they live up to that or not.
One thing that is clear is that corporations like to control their employees and their customers so what they say to the public and what they actually believe might not be the same thing.
It's also not a stretch to believe that a young person is that gullable. I know many older people are also gullable and believe whatever they're told by corporation x. I see it every time I shop at one of those stores that believes they have the right to inspect your purchase as you leave. I see people of all ages dutifully waiting in line to be searched without probable cause.
I just walk by and if they ask if they can see my receipt I say "no, you may not."
After seeing the 20/20 report, I'm inclined to agree.
I'm not ready to put any blame at the corporate level, however. Training people that the police don't demand oral sex performances over the telephone (or at all!) should be beyond common sense. In fact, 99% of this whole ordeal should be beyond common sense.
Those involved got far less than they deserved.
73, Rob
ka5piu
12-02-2006, 02:28 PM
Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Dec. 02 2006,07:13)]This is a hoax and ABC is going to be nailed on this one. I mean comeon, it reads like a sex novel with every little detail. This has got to be fake.
K2WH
Hello.
No, this reads not like a sex novel, this reads like somebodys fantasy.
A fantasy that was played out.
A large number of child molestors actually try to fulfill this need by writing a script beforehand.
The kiddie porn industry thrives on this.
So, somebody may have picked out a diviant manager beforehand, somebody who most likely would go along with this.
Most people who attack other people start with animals.
It would seem that one of us here has quite the immagination. Remind me to tell you guys about the time HM the Q called and asked if I would please be kind enough to swing by Kentucky and bring her a wing and a thigh from KFC the last time I went to the UK. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
w2amr
12-03-2006, 07:00 PM
Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Dec. 01 2006,10:00)]AS for me, I will think twice about eating at a fast food joint after this.
Chick Gets Revenge (http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=17;t=139183)
Good for you. That slop will kill you if you eat enough of it.
N0WVA
12-04-2006, 05:20 AM
Id say all people involved here are about equally stupid. So its just a bunch of stupid people behaving as such. Normal for nawdays.
Quote[/b] (N0WVA @ Dec. 02 2006,23:20)]nawdays
Ummmmmm........ huh?!?! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
K7JEM
12-04-2006, 06:21 AM
Milgram's Obedience Experiment.
"The experiment must continue" the researcher told the nervous subject, who did as he was told and delivered what he thought was a severe or potentially fatal electric shock to the other 'subject'.
In 1961, Milgram began a series of experiments that would investigate the effect of authority over free will and examine the "I was just following orders" legal defense. Creating a situation where the guinea pig subject would deliver an increasingly painful electric shock to another person (actually a confederate), Milgram discovered that he could quickly reduce a confident businessman to a "twitching, stuttering wreck...approaching nervous collapse" in less than twenty minutes, simply by telling him that the experiment must continue.
The faked shock would be "delivered" to a confederate who was purportedly also assisting in a study on learning. As far as the subject was concerned, a shock would be delivered by him to another test subject whenever the other test subject (the confederate) made a mistake in a learning experiment. The voltage of the shock would be incrementally increased as the faked subject continued to make mistakes. The meter and switches operated by the real test subject indicated that the shocks ranged from "slight shock" to "DANGER: Severe Shock" and beyond.
Various arrangements were tried out with regards to the placement of the researcher, ranging from the researcher being in the same room as the test subject, to having the researcher on the telephone and giving the orders. Similarly, the placement of the confederate purportedly receiving the shocks was also varied from being in a different room, being behind a screen and in the same room and also on the end of a telephone. This variation in location of the confederate would vary the intensity of the feedback of the purported shock delivered by the test subject.
What was alarming about the study was that average and normal everyday subjects, despite their own discomfort and the wails and cries of the confederate, approximately two thirds of all subjects delivered the maximum punishment shock - simply because they were told that the experiment must continue. None of them knew that the shock was not actually being given to the confederate. A follow up study where the subject was required to actually hold the hand of the reluctant confederate onto a shock plate whilst they delivered a high voltage found that one third were willing to do this despite the severe discomfort both they themselves and the confederate purportedly possessed! Unlike Zimbardo's experiment however, in these experiments the subjects didn't display satisfaction/comfort with the position they seemingly held over another.
Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment)
ka5piu
12-04-2006, 06:26 AM
Hello.
I am amazed at how dumb some people really are, but that does not change the fact that McDonalds had nothing to do with it.
This is kind of like the concept of you stick your hand in fire and get burned.
Some things are accepted in life.
McDonalds twat burn hot coffee is one of the prime examples.
The Vietnam vet who went nuts inside a McDonalds in California is another example.
That McDonalds was turned into a park.
If this had happened at Mom&Pop Burgers would people be trying to make a big deal out of it?
No, there are no deep pockets.
n2ize
12-04-2006, 11:47 AM
McDonald's may have nothing to do with it. At the same time they have everything to do with it. McDonald's has an obligation to provice a safe workplace free of occupational hazards and humiliating perversions. In seeking criminal action or civil compensation it is ultimately the McDonald's corporation that is going to have to answer for the humiliating conditions that existed and/or pay anymonetary damages.
Pick a smart woman at random, and she may or may not have a kid or two. This one will likely be pregnant for years.
VE1IDX
12-04-2006, 12:49 PM
I can't believe people can be so stupid. The girl and the manager are so stupid it defies belief. Believing someone like that OVER THE PHONE?? If stupidity was a crime they would be lifers.
KF0RT
12-04-2006, 01:05 PM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 04 2006,05:12)]Pick a smart woman at random, and she may or may not have a kid or two. This one will likely be pregnant for years.
Say what??
73, Rob
ka5piu
12-04-2006, 01:24 PM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 04 2006,04:47)]McDonald's may have nothing to do with it. At the same time they have everything to do with it. McDonald's has an obligation to provice a safe workplace free of occupational hazards and humiliating perversions. In seeking criminal action or civil compensation it is ultimately the McDonald's corporation that is going to have to answer for the humiliating conditions that existed and/or pay anymonetary damages.
Hello.
At what point does the obligation of the employer stop?
McDonalds has wanted to monitor telephone calls for years.
It has been the civil rights groups that have blocked this.
So, where do you go with this, where can you go with this?
McDonalds is experimenting with order takers in the midwest to take the orders for your local drive-up (take-away).
First time the order gets wrong and the customer wants to talk face to face with the order taker, then what? another lawsuit?
Another case that I was involved with was a rape case a few years back.
This woman would bring boys over at all hours and make noise.
People have tried to talk to her about it but to no avail.
One day the police show up wanting to know what I and anyone else could tell them.
She was raped sometime the night before.
Did she scream? yes, she always screams.
She tried to sue the apartment complex, residents, police, everybody she could.
ab8ro
12-04-2006, 01:34 PM
Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Dec. 01 2006,08:16)]I'm not ready to put any blame at the corporate level, however. #Training people that the police don't demand oral sex performances over the telephone (or at all!) should be beyond common sense. #In fact, 99% of this whole ordeal should be beyond common sense. #
Nor I, but that's neither your job nor mine. It's standard procedure to sue the deep pockets and it's irresponsible not to include them. Of course training people that the police don't demand oral sex isn't necessary, however, it's not that simple.
One scenario, for example, is that mcdonalds trains its managers to elicit complete cooperation from its employees and that they create a culture where one believes that if you don't do whatever your manager says then you will face dire consequences. Now, if they were also involved in hiring the manager and were irresponsible in choosing someone of sufficient qualification then it's possible that mcdonalds corp is partially, or perhaps, completely responsible.
The point is, that we don't know the details of mcdonalds corporate practices and any responsible attorney would include them in the suit. Discovery might turn up information that sheds light on the issue. Then again, it might not.
Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Dec. 04 2006,05:05)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 04 2006,05:12)]Pick a smart woman at random, and she may or may not have a kid or two. This one will likely be pregnant for years.
Say what??
73, Rob
I'm not sure. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
ab8ro
12-04-2006, 02:49 PM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 03 2006,07:38)]Quote[/b] (KF0RT @ Dec. 04 2006,05:05)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 04 2006,05:12)]Pick a smart woman at random, and she may or may not have a kid or two. # #This one will likely be pregnant for years.
Say what??
73, Rob
I'm not sure. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
I splain it to you.
He's saying that your average intelligent woman may or may not have children. That is, she is intelligent enough to make the choice as she sees appropriate for her life and act in accordance with this decision. His assertion about this young lady, however, is that she's not smart enough to avoid getting pregnant. But more than that, he feels that even after the first kid, she'll get pregnant again and again whether she wants to or not.
The above interpretation is provided as a service only. It should not be construed as my opinion in whole or in part.
ka5piu
12-04-2006, 03:33 PM
Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Dec. 04 2006,06:34)]One scenario, for example, is that mcdonalds trains its managers to elicit complete cooperation from its employees and that they create a culture where one believes that if you don't do whatever your manager says then you will face dire consequences. Now, if they were also involved in hiring the manager and were irresponsible in choosing someone of sufficient qualification then it's possible that mcdonalds corp is partially, or perhaps, completely responsible.
Hello.
McDonalds pays its employees fast food wages.
The average McDonalds employee has about as much devotion to McDonalds as I do.
A McDonalds manager fired some girl a while back.
Her gang stepped in and got the manager in the office.
He said he got his jaw broken from the cowboy boot but could not remember any faces.
I remember this as I was asked about my cowboy boots at the McDonalds in Harlingen Texas.
McDonalds managers can not even open the safe.
I am sure this happens in other cities also.
ab8ro
12-04-2006, 05:02 PM
Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ Dec. 03 2006,09:33)]Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Dec. 04 2006,06:34)]One scenario, for example, is that mcdonalds trains its managers to elicit complete cooperation from its employees and that they create a culture where one believes that if you don't do whatever your manager says then you will face dire consequences. Now, if they were also involved in hiring the manager and were irresponsible in choosing someone of sufficient qualification then it's possible that mcdonalds corp is partially, or perhaps, completely responsible.
Hello.
McDonalds pays its employees fast food wages.
The average McDonalds employee has about as much devotion to McDonalds as I do.
A McDonalds manager fired some girl a while back.
Her gang stepped in and got the manager in the office.
He said he got his jaw broken from the cowboy boot but could not remember any faces.
I remember this as I was asked about my cowboy boots at the McDonalds in Harlingen Texas.
McDonalds managers can not even open the safe.
I am sure this happens in other cities also.
What you are saying only gives credibility to the argument that McDonalds corp might be partly responsible. If they don't hire people who are qualified, yet compell them by policy to behave in certain ways, then they may be held responsible.
However, I don't think what you're saying holds in all cases. There are a lot of young kids brainwashed by mcdonalds bs. My sister and her best friend worked for them for three or four years while in high school and they couldn't stop talking about how great the company was to work for. To hear them talk they were both going to be mickeyDs head honchos someday. Neither currently works there of course.
My point holds, it is irresponsible to not consider that mcdonalds policies may be irresponsible and could have contributed to such an incident.
K7JEM
12-04-2006, 05:23 PM
I don't really think this has anything to do with McDonalds policies, per se, but I think they are mostly responsible for this incident. They hired this manager, and she should have known, or been trained in what is right and wrong. If any one of these people involved had of done the right thing at first, all of this would have been avoided. Any person that calls on a phone must be considered to be an anonymous source. When they start asking people to do bizzarre things, the red flags and bells should go off in the "victim's" head. The fact that this went on for hours, and in a McDonalds manager's office, is what makes MD have a fair amount of responsibility.
This hoax has been going on for 10 years, maybe more. MD should have issued an urgent letter to all stores that this was occurring, and to be wary of phone calls. The manager exhibited absolutely no common sense, something a manager needs to have. The fact that this went on for three hours is unbelievable. If I hadn't heard of Milgram's experiment, I would not have believed this to be possible.
Always question authority, especially over the phone. "I'm hanging up now" should have been the proper response about 2 minutes into the call.
Joe
K8TEK
12-04-2006, 05:30 PM
Rudolph,
Give it a rest. You have absolutly no clue what you are talking about. I was a manager at a local McDonalds for 5 years... Corporate does not require us to have a camera in our office, we also have full access to the safe.
Apparently this is one company you never worked for. Allegidly you worked as a telephone repairman and an elevator repairman before the CIA began investigating you for owning a FPP Railroad Spectra with the top secret Fascinator encryption algorithm in it!
n2ize
12-04-2006, 06:01 PM
Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ Dec. 04 2006,06:24)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 04 2006,04:47)]McDonald's may have nothing to do with it. At the same time they have everything to do with it. McDonald's has an obligation to provice a safe workplace free of occupational hazards and humiliating perversions. In seeking criminal action or civil compensation it is ultimately the McDonald's corporation that is going to have to answer for the humiliating conditions that existed and/or pay anymonetary damages.
Hello.
At what point does the obligation of the employer stop?
McDonalds has wanted to monitor telephone calls for years.
It has been the civil rights groups that have blocked this.
So, where do you go with this, where can you go with this?
McDonalds is experimenting with order takers in the midwest to take the orders for your local drive-up (take-away).
First time the order gets wrong and the customer wants to talk face to face with the order taker, then what? another lawsuit?
Another case that I was involved with was a rape case a few years back.
This woman would bring boys over at all hours and make noise.
People have tried to talk to her about it but to no avail.
One day the police show up wanting to know what I and anyone else could tell them.
She was raped sometime the night before.
Did she scream? yes, she always screams.
She tried to sue the apartment complex, residents, police, everybody she could.
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At what point does the obligation of the employer stop?
That will be decided in a court. In this case the victim may have been sttupid and gullible or, maybe afraid to loose her job. At the same time she apparently worked in a dangerous environment which McDonalds provided. That environment may have been dangerous due to the hiring of stupid and gullible people, i.e. the manager, etc. and/or by employees who don't give a rats butt about whats going on, like the ones that refused to participate but didn;t call the police. Now, maybe a stupid , gullible, and non caring environment is the best McDonalds can do with the salary and working conditions it provides. But, nonetheless, they provided it and they are the ones who are going to have to answer for it. Whether they end up having to pay damages remains to be seen. Likely there will be some kind of settlement on behalf of the traumatized employee. Then again, maybe not. It will have to be decided and sorted out in court.
This is a travesty. It goes along with the herd instinct that we've been encouraging here since 9/11. Gone are the days when individualism was not frowned upon. When is the last time you saw a new Western? Individualism like that of the cowboy, the entreprenuer, the inventor, the innovator or the explorer, are now discouraged. And it's showing. Run with the bull and it's okay.
Until something like this happens.
Really need a good reason not to eat fast food? Watch Super Size me. That'll cure you. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
K7JEM
12-05-2006, 01:20 AM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Dec. 04 2006,13:14)]This is a travesty. #It goes along with the herd instinct that we've been encouraging here since 9/11. #Gone are the days when individualism was not frowned upon. #When is the last time you saw a new Western? #Individualism like that of the cowboy, the entreprenuer, the inventor, the innovator or the explorer, are now discouraged. #And it's showing. #Run with the bull and it's okay. #
Until something like this happens.
Really need a good reason not to eat fast food? #Watch Super Size me. #That'll cure you. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
This is just human nature; nothing new to stupidity, and blindly following any perceived sense of authority. This particular prank has been going on for 10 years, maybe longer. Milgram's experiment was conducted in 1961, and had the same results.
Everything doesn't have to be political. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Joe
W2ILP
12-05-2006, 01:38 AM
I finally got the time to read the entire story. It wasn't about eating Big Macs. I guess that they will be selling the videos that were taken in the fast food restaurants. It is immoral and disgusting but a lot cheaper to produce such sadistic videos than it is to hire professional porno stars.
w2ilp (Intentionally Lousy Production?)...The director could have at least provided a clean apron.
ka5piu
12-05-2006, 04:09 AM
Quote[/b] (K8TEK @ Dec. 04 2006,10:30)]Rudolph,
Give it a rest. You have absolutly no clue what you are talking about. I was a manager at a local McDonalds for 5 years...
Hello.
Between that and the motorola logo.
Enough said.