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kb0mmb
11-19-2006, 04:00 AM
Im ready to take the test for General class and DO NOT have the time or desire to study the code..which I will NEVER use in 5 lifetimes...I enjoy talking on 2-70 cm and have NO desire to sit there and hit a little key all day!
So..when will it happen?
VE7NOT
11-19-2006, 04:02 AM
Quote[/b] (kb0mmb @ Nov. 18 2006,20:00)]Im ready to take the test for General class and DO NOT have the time or desire to study the code..which I will NEVER use in 5 lifetimes...I enjoy talking on 2-70 cm and have NO desire to sit there and hit a little key all day!
So..when will it happen?
Now why did you have to say something like that. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
KG4YUV
11-19-2006, 04:03 AM
It won't. Sorry. There's always Echolink.
KM5FL
11-19-2006, 04:21 AM
My trollometer needle just hit the peg...
TROLL ALERT -- TROLL ALERT!!!
DIVE, DIVE, DIVE !!!!
AAAOOOGGAAA!!!
AAAOOOGGAAA!!!
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KM5FL
Quote[/b] (kb0mmb @ Nov. 18 2006,21:00)]Im ready to take the test for General class and DO NOT have the time or desire to study the code..which I will NEVER use in 5 lifetimes...I enjoy talking on 2-70 cm and have NO desire to sit there and hit a little key all day!
So..when will it happen?
It is hard to say, it could be just around the corner, or another year or two away, and there is no guarantee that it will, so it could be a long wait. Your best bet would be to find a way to fit learning the code in to the schedule, that was the hard part for me, I ended up doing it while commuting.
K7JEM
11-19-2006, 04:31 AM
If you're ready to take the test for general, then take it. If the code test isn't dropped within a year, you'll just be out the cost of the test, and the time it took to study for it.
There will be about a two month window from the time the rule is announced until it actually takes effect. Why not just wait until the announcement to take the test? Taking the test now will not get you general any sooner.
Either way, good luck, and good trolling.
Joe
VE7NOT
11-19-2006, 04:41 AM
Hey look as most know here I can't spell well and of course can't type well. But I CAN do 5wpm at least and most of the code I can do faster. If I can do it.... well....
ab8ro
11-19-2006, 04:42 AM
What do you mean you'll never use the code? You might have to flash SOS from a rowboat someday. In fact, it's very possible that you could use the code to save the planet just like in independence day.
K7JEM
11-19-2006, 04:47 AM
Could happen. Monkeys could also fly out of his butt.
KC2PFV
11-19-2006, 05:27 AM
Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Nov. 18 2006,21:42)]What do you mean you'll never use the code? You might have to flash SOS from a rowboat someday. In fact, it's very possible that you could use the code to save the planet just like in independence day.
That had me laughing.
But come on guys, learn the damn code. I was a "no coder" but I decided to learn the code. I spent hardly ANY time spread out over a couple months. I'm not kidding, I spent probably on average 20 minutes per week. The last two weeks before I took the test I actually stepped it up a notch and spent an hour a day copying practice from aa9pw. You CAN learn code and pass the test! All you need is 25 characters straight copy. And it isn't mumbo-jumbo, it is actual words so if you get a sentence copied like this, "QT Madsn Wiconsi. You can figure out that it was "QTH is Madison, Wisconsin." That sentence right there WILL pass you. It is the sentence that passed me last Wednesday night when I took the code test!
You guys don't know how much fun you are missing out on. Learn the damn code! It is NOT hard and NO one is making you use it. Of course, if you don't want to get onto HF then no one can force you. And this is ONLY advice. I could care less if you get onto HF or not. It is a hobby. All I am saying is that I USED to be like you guys and then I decided to bite the bullet and learn the code and get onto HF instead of waiting.
73 TOM KC2PFV
ka0gkt
11-19-2006, 05:35 AM
If all you're interested in is 2-m and 70-cm, then why bother going after the General class license at all? It would seem that with your NCT you have all of the privileges which you plan to use.
<Sarcastic Mode ON>
Feel free to save your testing fees secure in the knowledge that you have gone as far as you need to go. Mediocrity is nothing to be ashamed of
nor bragged about.
<Sarcastic Mode OFF>
73 DE KAĜGKT/7
--Steve
Quote[/b] (kb0mmb @ Nov. 18 2006,20:00)]Im ready to take the test for General class
I think that you are "not quite ready" if you do not know the code...............It is still required.
Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 18 2006,21:31)]If you're ready to take the test for general, then take it. If the code test isn't dropped within a year, you'll just be out the cost of the test, and the time it took to study for it.
There will be about a two month window from the time the rule is announced until it actually takes effect. Why not just wait until the announcement to take the test? Taking the test now will not get you general any sooner.
Either way, good luck, and good trolling.
Joe
Or spend a month studying Morse for 15 minutes twice a day and get on HF now. How do you want to spend your year? Waiting or doing?
K7JEM
11-19-2006, 06:03 AM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 18 2006,22:51)]Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 18 2006,21:31)]If you're ready to take the test for general, then take it. If the code test isn't dropped within a year, you'll just be out the cost of the test, and the time it took to study for it.
There will be about a two month window from the time the rule is announced until it actually takes effect. Why not just wait until the announcement to take the test? Taking the test now will not get you general any sooner.
Either way, good luck, and good trolling.
Joe
Or spend a month studying Morse for 15 minutes twice a day and get on HF now. How do you want to spend your year? Waiting or doing?
He's already answered that. He has no desire to learn the code, he is choosing to wait. He perfectly understands that he could learn the code, but he doesn't want to. Now some of you think that is a bad idea, and it probably is if he wanted to get on HF by the end of the year, or anytime in the near future.
If he doesn't want to waste his time learning code, who are we to tell him to do it? He will miss out on several months of not being a general, but that is obviously not important to him, so why would it be important to us?
If he wants to be a general, he will pass whatever test in required at the time. He is just choosing to wait. How long is anyone's guess.
Joe
KD4IFB
11-19-2006, 06:26 AM
Quote[/b] (kb0mmb @ Nov. 18 2006,21:00)]Im ready to take the test for General class and DO NOT have the time or desire to study the code..which I will NEVER use in 5 lifetimes...I enjoy talking on 2-70 cm and have NO desire to sit there and hit a little key all day!
So..when will it happen?
kb0mmb, So tell me sir , not all, but what do do know about being a ham operator with General class and above privilages?? Ill be the firsy to tell you the code I feel isnt an requirement despite what my coligues feel. But is what you know, what it takes to be a true professional at what you want to do in this hobby??? Im not by no means sir bashing you! Im just curious!
n7bdy
11-19-2006, 06:34 AM
Quote[/b] (kb0mmb @ Nov. 18 2006,21:00)]Im ready to take the test for General class and DO NOT have the time or desire to study the code..which I will NEVER use in 5 lifetimes...I enjoy talking on 2-70 cm and have NO desire to sit there and hit a little key all day!
So..when will it happen?
I'm not exactly sure about the code test ... but if you are prepared to wait just a bit longer I hear they are dropping the written test too.
Just send in $22.50 to the FCC and you'll #get your license in a few weeks .
KI4QFY
11-19-2006, 06:39 AM
Good Lord willing, code will never be dropped.
ab8ro
11-19-2006, 06:53 AM
Quote[/b] (KI4QFY @ Nov. 18 2006,00:39)]Good Lord willing, code will never be dropped.
If god's a know-coder then perhaps a little prayer is ALL that's necessary.
kd4mxe
11-19-2006, 07:08 AM
well for some of these people they will never drop it, But I think the fcc will drop it for them ,its going to Be something when the fcc drops the hammer on that code stuff,73 Bill kd4mxe http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
KB3LIX
11-19-2006, 08:26 AM
Quote[/b] (wd6gla @ Nov. 19 2006,01:34)]Quote[/b] (kb0mmb @ Nov. 18 2006,21:00)]Im ready to take the test for General class and DO NOT have the time or desire to study the code..which I will NEVER use in 5 lifetimes...I enjoy talking on 2-70 cm and have NO desire to sit there and hit a little key all day!
So..when will it happen?
I'm not exactly sure about the code test ... but if you are prepared to wait just a bit longer I hear they are dropping the written test too.
Just send in $22.50 to the FCC and you'll #get your license in a few weeks .
SHHHHHHHHH !!!
You'll let the cat out of the bag, and everyone will know !
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K0HWY
11-19-2006, 09:41 AM
Quote[/b] (KM5FL @ Nov. 18 2006,21:21)]My trollometer needle just hit the peg...
TROLL ALERT -- TROLL ALERT!!!
DIVE, DIVE, DIVE !!!!
AAAOOOGGAAA!!!
AAAOOOGGAAA!!!
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
KM5FL
bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
"Tighten up on the drag now, a reel him in here." http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
KC0OFZ
11-19-2006, 10:53 AM
Quote[/b] (kb0mmb @ Nov. 18 2006,21:00)]Im ready to take the test for General class and DO NOT have the time or desire to study the code..which I will NEVER use in 5 lifetimes...I enjoy talking on 2-70 cm and have NO desire to sit there and hit a little key all day!
So..when will it happen?
If you are so content why the crying about the code? Why do you care? Just another one who has NO DESIRE to learn or try anything and are begging for the big hand out.
Why would you even want to take the written test? From the sound of your attitude you would want that dropped too.
Is that a big TAIN-4http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
N8CPA
11-19-2006, 11:09 AM
I wanna be a golfer but I don't wanna swing clubs. boo-hoo, boo-hoo.
AA0CX
11-19-2006, 11:39 AM
Hopefully, never. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
K0HWY
11-19-2006, 11:46 AM
Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Nov. 19 2006,04:09)]I wanna be a golfer but I don't wanna swing clubs. boo-hoo, boo-hoo.
It's simply not fair! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Quote[/b] (kb0mmb @ Nov. 19 2006,00:00)]Im ready to take the test for General class and DO NOT have the time or desire to study the code..which I will NEVER use in 5 lifetimes...I enjoy talking on 2-70 cm and have NO desire to sit there and hit a little key all day!
So..when will it happen?
I've heard Feb 30, 2007 is the official date.
Gud luck
73
AA0CX
11-19-2006, 11:51 AM
Muuuuaaaahhhhaaaahaaaa http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
n1ydx
11-19-2006, 11:53 AM
Another thought.
I like to fire up the rig and key morse code. I can probably copy 18-20 wpm and send faster....BUT...I key a CQ at about 5 wpm and you should see the replies and call backs I get. Just yesterday I got called after a nice rag chew by a VE9 station. Told me he copied my code and decided to call me after a year not using CW. Yes his fist was a bit rusty but we had a great rag chew and 'Solid Copy' both ways.
If you think your code is rusty, get on near 7.110 to 7.117 between 1330 est and 1700 est and you'll probably hear me. I send to the speed of the person answering my CQ and if I want to go faster, I spin the dial down to 7.030 to 7.055 and listen for a call.
CW is fun, it's an achievement, it's an art. And best of all, its communication.
N1YDX - Retired US Army
AA0CX
11-19-2006, 11:56 AM
Quote[/b] (n1ydx @ Nov. 19 2006,04:53)]Another thought.
I like to fire up the rig and key morse code. I can probably copy 18-20 wpm and send faster....BUT...I key a CQ at about 5 wpm and you should see the replies and call backs I get. Just yesterday I got called after a nice rag chew by a VE9 station. Told me he copied my code and decided to call me after a year not using CW. Yes his fist was a bit rusty but we had a great rag chew and 'Solid Copy' both ways.
If you think your code is rusty, get on near 7.110 to 7.117 between 1330 est and 1700 est and you'll probably hear me. I send to the speed of the person answering my CQ and if I want to go faster, I spin the dial down to 7.030 to 7.055 and listen for a call.
CW is fun, it's an achievement, it's an art. And best of all, its communication.
N1YDX - Retired US Army
YDX...
that's a great idea!
I've been away from ham radio for about 8 years now and I'm just coming back to the hobby (funny, alot of my posts start with that http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif ) and I really gotta say that I don't have any problem with dropping the code.
I mainly work cw. The way I see it if they drop the code then the no-code HFers will be on phone. This really doesn't affect my chasing rare DX on cw.
However, I do agree that once (if) the code is dropped then the HF phone bands will be a somewhat less desireable place to be. (Notice how I didn't reference 11M http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif .... Oh darn, was that out loud? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif).
Lastly, I would like to say that cw isn't for everyone. However, for the HF phone privileges I feel that it is worth spending a couple of hours for a couple of nights to learn the code...just enough to pass the test. 5 WPM is not hard. Have a little fun! Enjoy your hobby!
Best,
Brian
Quote[/b] (WZ4I @ Nov. 19 2006,07:48)]I've heard Feb 30, 2007 is the official date.
Gud luck
73
You are soooooo mean! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
KC9ECI
11-19-2006, 12:20 PM
30 days after the R&O is published in Federal Register.
ai4ep
11-19-2006, 12:53 PM
That is strange...I heard on the radio ( on an AMATEUR frequency, so I know it is true ) that is going to be on December 32, 2006...just about 6 weeks away. But then, the signal had a lot of noise and static , so I may have the exact date wrong, but I did the best that I could do with my meager g5rv antenna and Kenwood 570 raddio.
Sorry, the date of December 32 is not correct. I copied the date in a cw message and it is January 1, 20007. Probably bad copy.
Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 18 2006,23:03)]He's already answered that. He has no desire to learn the code, he is choosing to wait. He perfectly understands that he could learn the code, but he doesn't want to.
Then I guess he'll spend the next several months with his bottom lip poking out instead of on HF.
K7JEM
11-19-2006, 02:57 PM
Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Nov. 19 2006,04:09)]I wanna be a golfer but I don't wanna swing clubs. boo-hoo, boo-hoo.
Do some of you think about your analogies before you post them?
Can you be a golfer without swinging a club? No, that is what golfing is about.
Can you be a ham op without learning the code? Sure, lots of people don't know the code and are great ham operators. Code has nothing to do with radio. Code was developed for landline telegraphers in the mid 1800's.
Joe
W5HTW
11-19-2006, 02:59 PM
Quote[/b] (ka3vsp @ Nov. 19 2006,05:08)]I've been away from ham radio for about 8 years now and I'm just coming back to the hobby (funny, alot of my posts start with that :cool: ) and I really gotta say that I don't have any problem with dropping the code.
I mainly work cw. The way I see it if they drop the code then the no-code HFers will be on phone. This really doesn't affect my chasing rare DX on cw.
However, I do agree that once (if) the code is dropped then the HF phone bands will be a somewhat less desireable place to be. (Notice how I didn't reference 11M :p .... Oh darn, was that out loud? :angry:).
Lastly, I would like to say that cw isn't for everyone. However, for the HF phone privileges I feel that it is worth spending a couple of hours for a couple of nights to learn the code...just enough to pass the test. 5 WPM is not hard. Have a little fun! Enjoy your hobby!
Best,
Brian
... and there are people who say the code isn't a filter! Of course it's a filter!! And I will use it as such. By going to the CW bands where the 11 meter cro.... uh, the push to talk crowd can't find me. And wouldn't know it if they did.
Well, that's what I do now, actually. Yep, as a filter, it works just fine. And I'm gonna get me another bug. Been planning to for a long time, as I used to use a bug exclusively. That'll filter out the computer-code folks, the para-CW fellas.
Quote[/b] (kb0mmb @ Nov. 18 2006,16:00)]Im ready to take the test for General class and DO NOT have the time or desire to study the code..which I will NEVER use in 5 lifetimes...I enjoy talking on 2-70 cm and have NO desire to sit there and hit a little key all day!
So..when will it happen?
Apparently not before QRZ stops allowing trolls to stop posting this question!
Scott NĜIU
KC9ECI
11-19-2006, 03:02 PM
Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Nov. 19 2006,09:59)]And I'm gonna get me another bug. #Been planning to for a long time, as I used to use a bug exclusively. #That'll filter out the computer-code folks, the para-CW fellas.
Sloppy fist?
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W5HTW
11-19-2006, 03:26 PM
Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Nov. 19 2006,08:02)]Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Nov. 19 2006,09:59)]And I'm gonna get me another bug. Been planning to for a long time, as I used to use a bug exclusively. That'll filter out the computer-code folks, the para-CW fellas.
Sloppy fist?
:p
Lake Erie Swing!
Of course i can do that with a keyer, too, I suppose. Or with my friend, Mr. J-38. But a bug makes it so much easier!
To quote Da Pope -- HAW!
kf6rdn
11-19-2006, 03:28 PM
Thanks for the QSO and good luck in the trollfest
ve2nsm
11-19-2006, 03:31 PM
Man, I can't beleive this kind of thing still gets answers http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Actually, considering the profile - this is a bit humourous .... troll ? - unlikely - they can't fly
"Became a Ham in 1994 with a technician rating and just never got beyond that, became a Private Pilot in 2000 after taking lessons at Augusta (soloed in 12.2 hours).
I really love to fly the full scale planes but at the moment to pricey for me ..."
Joe just admit that you have a mental block to learn it ... that is a bigger hurtle (personal abilities) to overcome that financial resources. #
BTW, the amauter hobby is one where the enjoyment is actually tied to continuous learning and change -- that is dedication of time or finances.
If you desire no-code --there is always GMRS, FRS and CB !
BTW, did you realize that only ~ 20 countries (largely western Europe) of the over 200 ITU jurisdictions, went the "no-code" route ...
Russia, China and much of Middle East and Asia still require it -- wonder why?
gb
N1MLF
11-19-2006, 03:48 PM
I got a neighbor thats been crying the same song for almost 5 years & he wonders why I'm seldom on the 2M circuit http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Maybe when the drop the CW testing they'll limit the PTT crowd to a sub band.. now wouldn't that cause some &%^$^#!!
JW
KC0NBW
11-19-2006, 04:59 PM
Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 19 2006,07:57)]Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Nov. 19 2006,04:09)]I wanna be a golfer but I don't wanna swing clubs. #boo-hoo, boo-hoo.
Do some of you think about your analogies before you post them?
Can you be a golfer without swinging a club? No, that is what golfing is about.
Can you be a ham op without learning the code? Sure, lots of people don't know the code and are great ham operators. Code has nothing to do with radio. Code was developed for landline telegraphers in the mid 1800's.
Joe
continental or american morse was developed for landline use, international morse was for radio use.
at least brush up on the history before making comments.
I would predict that the requirement for CW will be dropped right after you take the time to learn it.
w8znx
11-19-2006, 05:18 PM
Hello Joe
nice Curtiss P-40
no code ops are kinda
like rc flyers
that only fly "almost ready to fly "
learning something new
is never a waste of time
Mac
w8znx
11-19-2006, 05:27 PM
Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Nov. 19 2006,09:59)]continental or american morse was developed for landline use, international morse was for radio use.
at least brush up on the history before making comments.
before you start correcting someones history
get it right
Continental code is International Morse code
in other words
International Morse is the same as Continental Morse
it was first used for land line telegraph use in Europe
well before Wireless Telegraph was invented
American Morse was the land line code
in North America
during the very early years of
wireless telegraphy
Marconi Wireless ops
used International/Continental code
for a short time there was more
than 3 styles of morse code in wireless use
Continental
American
and the US Navy had is own version of Morse code
Continental won out
because it was in wide use
and was better for radio work than American Morse
dit dit Mac
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In many ways, The FCC's statements such as "The FCC is a tireless protector of civil rights and civil liberties for all people" indicate that we're not all looking at the same set of facts. Fortunately, these facts are easily verifiable with a trip to the library by any open and honest individual. For reasons which I will adumbrate presently, The FCC's faithfuls are tools. Like a hammer or an axe, they are not inherently evil or destructive. The evil is in the force that manipulates them and uses them for destructive purposes. That evil is The FCC, who wants nothing less than to hinder economic growth and job creation.
We can all have daydreams about Happy Fuzzy Purple Bunny Land, where everyone is caring, loving, and nice. Not only will those daydreams not come true, but only the impartial and unimpassioned mind will even consider that I receive a great deal of correspondence from people all over the world. And one of the things that impresses me about it is the massive number of people who realize that The FCC's victims have been speaking out for years. Unfortunately, their voices have long been silenced by the roar and thunder of The FCC's bootlickers, who loudly proclaim that The FCC is a paragon of morality and wisdom. Regardless of those indecent proclamations, the truth is that I didn't want to talk about this. I really didn't. But it has deported itself as an enemy of peace and harmony. That shouldn't surprise you when you consider that it might promote, foster, and institute corporatism in the blink of an eye. What are we to do then? Place blinders over our eyes and hope we don't see the horrible outcome? I believe, way deep down, that as our society continues to unravel, more and more people will be grasping for straws, grasping for something to hold onto, grasping for something that promises to give them the sense of security and certainty that they so desperately need. These are the kinds of people The FCC preys upon. Would we, as thinking people, believe stumblebums who tried to tell us we're all unctuous? I, for one, say "no." Unfortunately, the English language contains so few words of reprobation and invective that I cannot satisfactorily describe The FCC's untrustworthy, intrusive cop-outs. At least our language's lexicon is sufficiently voluminous for me to explain that this is not the place to develop that subject. It demands many pages of analysis, which I can't spare in this letter. Instead, I'll just state the key point, which is that the ultimate aim of The FCC's rejoinders is to restructure society as a pyramid with The FCC at the top, The FCC's apparatchiks directly underneath, chauvinistic, brain-damaged troublemakers beneath them, and the rest of at the bottom. This new societal structure will enable The FCC to create a Frankenstein's monster, which makes me realize that even if one is opposed to jealous misoneism (and I am), then surely, the doom-and-gloom, it's-too-late crowd always plays right into its hands. In view of that, it is not surprising that it's irrelevant that my allegations are 100% true. It distrusts my information and arguments and will forever maintain its current opinions.
If anything will free us from the shackles of The FCC's pusillanimous indiscretions, it's knowledge of the world as it really is. It's knowledge that its most fork-tongued tactic is to fabricate a phony war between meddlesome ignoramuses and mutinous, choleric deadheads. This way, The FCC can subjugate both groups into helping it poke and pry into every facet of our lives. I undoubtedly don't want that to happen, which is why I'm telling you that the tone of The FCC's insults is eerily reminiscent of that of foul low-lifes of the late 1940s, in the sense that The FCC keeps saying that its flock is looking out for our best interests. Isn't that claim getting a little shopworn? I mean, it is doing everything in its power to make me walk around with a mountain of pain and suffering welled up inside me. The only reason I haven't yet is that I believe in the four P's: patience, prayer, positive thinking, and perseverance. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it true that The FCC has vanity without pride, voluptuousness without taste, and learning without wisdom? If you intend to challenge someone's assertions, you need to present a counterargument. The FCC provides none. The FCC managed to convince a bunch of meretricious thought police to help it weaken our mental and moral fiber. What was the quid pro quo there? Before you answer, let me point out that one can consecrate one's life to the service of a noble idea or a glorious ideology. The FCC, however, is more likely to misdirect our efforts into fighting each other rather than into understanding the nature and endurance of benighted absenteeism. But this is something to be filed away for future letters. At present, I wish to focus on only one thing: the fact that The FCC likes thinking thoughts that aren't burdensome and that feel good. That's why it loves getting up in front of people and telling them that profits come before people. It then boasts about how it'll sacrifice children on the twin altars of fanaticism and greed one of these days. It's all part of the media spectacle that is The FCC. Of course, it soaks it up and wallows in it like a pig in mud. Speaking of pigs and mud, time cannot change The FCC's behavior. Time merely enlarges the field in which The FCC can, with ever-increasing intensity and thoroughness, evade responsibility.
I certainly cannot believe that The FCC would consider duplicitous, mindless blowhards as judgmental misfits. Think about it, and I'm sure you'll agree with me. The FCC knows how to lie. It's too bad it doesn't yet understand the ramifications of lying. The FCC is currently limited to shrieking and spitting when it's confronted with inconvenient facts. Sooner or later, however, The FCC is likely to switch to some sort of "subject us to the mudslinging yapping of vainglorious fanatics (especially the inconsiderate type)" approach to draw our attention away from such facts. When we tease apart the associations necessary to The FCC's morbid, disgraceful tractates, we see that when I say that The FCC must believe that if it doesn't create a mass psychology of fear about an imminent terrorist threat, it'll have led a meaningless life, this does not, I repeat, does not mean that it is a bearer and agent of the Creator's purpose. This is a common fallacy held by foolhardy hoodlums.
The FCC wants nothing less than to spam the Internet with lubricious junk e-mail. Its advocates then wonder, "What's wrong with that?" Well, there's not much to be done with crafty dummkopfs who can't figure out what's wrong with that, but the rest of us can plainly see that after hearing about The FCC's hypersensitive attempts to tap into the national resurgence of overt ageism, I was saddened. I was saddened that it has lowered itself to this level. I never cease to be amazed at the way that The FCC never acts out of motives that might seem credible or even understandable to the rest of humanity. As an interesting experiment, try to point this out to it. (You might want to don safety equipment first.) I think you'll find that The FCC's pleas are based on a technique I'm sure you've heard of. It's called "lying".
The FCC wants to get me thrown in jail. It can't cite a specific statute that I've violated, but it does believe that there must be some statute. This tells me that if Fate desired that The FCC make a correct application of what it had read about collectivism, it would have to indicate title and page number, since the yawping ideologue would otherwise never in all its existence find the correct place. But since Fate does not do this, wherever you look, you'll see The FCC enforcing intolerance in the name of tolerance. You'll see it suppressing freedom in the name of freedom. And you'll see it crushing diversity of opinion in the name of diversity. The FCC should learn to appreciate what it has instead of feeling so oppressed because it can't do everything it wants, every time it wants to. It seems to me that, as others have stated long before me, "The FCC makes a virtue of irremediable fault." Did you know that some disagreeable, ugly varmints want to help The FCC exploit the feelings of charity and guilt that many people have over the plight of the homeless? Others just want to ride the sensationalism bandwagon. In either case, we should shine a light on The FCC's efforts to help amateurish present-day robber barons back up their prejudices with "scientific" proof. (Goodness knows, our elected officials aren't going to.)
The FCC exists for one reason and for one reason only: to supplant one form of injustice with another. I appreciate feedback and other people's views on subjects. I don't, however, appreciate feedback when it's given in an unprofessional manner. Avaricious bottom-feeders who tell us how to live, what to say, what to think, what to know, and -- most importantly -- what not to know might not recognize the incongruities in The FCC's flimflams, but The FCC has never gotten ahead because of its hard work or innovative ideas. Rather, all of The FCC's successes are due to kickbacks, bribes, black market double-dealing, outright thuggery, and unsavory political intrigue. One does not have to nail people to trees in order to tell The FCC what we all think of it -- and boy, do I have some choice words I'd like to use. It is a contemptuous person who believes otherwise.
Whatever should be true of statutory and often ephemeral enactments in human jurisprudence, the fact remains that if I seem a bit unreasonable, it's only because I'm trying to communicate with The FCC on its own level. Oh, and one more thing. The FCC's opinions all stem from one, simple, faulty premise -- that its vices are the only true virtues. Just don't expect consistency from an organization that is completely and unmistakably oleaginous. Are you still with me? The destructive power of The FCC's refrains is their appeal to the prolix, the appalling, the obtrusive, and the spineless. Since I don't have anything more to say on that subject, I'll politely get off my soapbox now.
NN4RH
11-19-2006, 05:42 PM
Can never find a Wouff-Hong anymore when you need it ...
w8znx
11-19-2006, 05:44 PM
Quote[/b] (NN4RH @ Nov. 19 2006,10:42)]Can never find a Wouff-Hong anymore when you need it ...
got one right here
has blood stains on it
Mac
KC9ECI
11-19-2006, 05:45 PM
Just use a tire iron.
AA0CX
11-19-2006, 05:52 PM
Have another hit, man! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
To W6GQ:
Your comments remind me of a line from Mel Brooks' 1974 classic Blazing Saddles when Taggart (played by Slim Pickens) says to Hedley Lamarr (played by Harvey Korman) says, "Gal-darnit, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a $20 lady of the evening." *
* = original word substituted for this phrase to make it a little more family friendly... I think!
Scott NĜIU
w8znx
11-19-2006, 06:17 PM
Quote[/b] (W6GQ @ Nov. 19 2006,10:36)]It seems that before I launch into this letter, I should tell you that The FCC has refused to make a public apology for its lazy ideas. If you disagree with my claim
subject, I'll politely get off my soapbox now.
the Rant/Irate letter program is only
funny once or twice
then it only uses up space
Mac
Quote[/b] (w8znx @ Nov. 19 2006,11:17)]Quote[/b] (W6GQ @ Nov. 19 2006,10:36)]It seems that before I launch into this letter, I should tell you that The FCC has refused to make a public apology for its lazy ideas. If you disagree with my claim #
subject, I'll politely get off my soapbox now.
the Rant/Irate letter program is only
funny once or twice
then it only uses up space
Mac
your right, this topic is much to important to "waste space"
paaaaaaaaalease
ai4ep
11-19-2006, 06:35 PM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif The title of this thread is --- WHEN WILL THE CODE BE DROPPED ?
Hey, it is already down to 5 words-per-minute, how much lower CAN it BE dropped ?
What --- 4 wpm ? 3 wpm ??
1 wpm...and I dont think a lot of folks CAN go that slow !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
w8znx
11-19-2006, 07:38 PM
Quote[/b] (W6GQ @ Nov. 19 2006,11:31)]Quote[/b] (w8znx @ Nov. 19 2006,11:17)]Quote[/b] (W6GQ @ Nov. 19 2006,10:36)]It seems that before I launch into this letter, I should tell you that The FCC has refused to make a public apology for its lazy ideas. If you disagree with my claim #
subject, I'll politely get off my soapbox now.
the Rant/Irate letter program is only
funny once or twice
then it only uses up space
Mac
your right, this topic is much to important to "waste space"
paaaaaaaaalease
did not say it wastes space
sayed it only #"uses up space"
apposed to being funny
kg4kww
11-19-2006, 07:48 PM
Code will be dropped in the near future.
I got this info straight from Condi (What a babe)
wd5kca
11-19-2006, 08:00 PM
Quote[/b] (w9gb @ Nov. 19 2006,09:42)]Russia, China and much of Middle East and Asia still require it -- wonder why?
gb
Ummm...maybe they are living under oppression?
Anyway, I am sure it is good to follow the leads of Russia, China and the Middle East.
K0HWY
11-19-2006, 09:40 PM
kb0mmb,
I just wanna know, did you make this thread after getting some sort of an inside tip? Did you just want to taunt us or something? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif It's happened! Arghhhhh.... they have dropped it, effective midnight tonight.
Code No Longer Required (http://)
K0HWY
11-19-2006, 09:44 PM
Psych! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I do realize that it's imminent but until then, I'm going to have fun with the whiners.
wa9cwx
11-19-2006, 11:15 PM
Refering to the original post.
I simply can NOT imagine a dumber question.
Nor can I imagine one more insulting, disquieting or depressing within this hobby I love.
They HAVE the 'NO CODE TECH' license just SO people who have no interest in the magic of radio, no technical (talk about doublespeak!) ability, and no desire to really experience the thrill of HF operation...... CAN call themselves Amateur Radio Operators.
I feel totally betrayed, not only by the silly ARRL, but by the whole SYSTEM that watered down a once proud hobby to the point we NOW get sniveling whiners that can't even bother to learn what a ten year old cub scout learns. And feels JUSTIFIED being a WHINNER!
Sheeesh
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
KI4PEQ
11-19-2006, 11:28 PM
Quote[/b] (kb0mmb @ Nov. 18 2006,23:00)]Im ready to take the test for General class and DO NOT have the time or desire to study the code..which I will NEVER use in 5 lifetimes...I enjoy talking on 2-70 cm and have NO desire to sit there and hit a little key all day!
So..when will it happen?
BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP! (BS ALARM OFF)
Sorry, OM. One thing you should know by now is that the majority of the amateurs on this forum do NOT want the code requirement to be dropped. There is a notice of proposed rule making regarding dropping the code, but an FCC staffer said several months ago that Techs like you and me should continue to learn the code and not wait for the FCC to issue a Report and Order dropping the code requirement.
I find the code interesting. I am also finding it difficult to learn, but that is because right now I have not had the time I need to really STUDY and practice with college courses and the death of my father last month.
You are in the amateur community with an entry level ticket. If you want to go to the big dance sooner than later, learn the code!
It's only 5 words a minute. Just get seven out of ten answers right or one minute of solid copy and you pass. I think the bar is low enough for anyone who truly wants HF privileges to overcome with a bit of effort. Find someone to practice with. If you are a member of a club, see if your club has someone who can mentor you.
Asking people here when the code requirement will be dropped is like throwing gasoline on a roariing fire. You can probably see that from some of the responses to your post.
Just learn the code! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
KI4PEQ
11-19-2006, 11:33 PM
Quote[/b] (W7WV @ Nov. 19 2006,12:17)]I would predict that the requirement for CW will be dropped right after you take the time to learn it.
That would be my luck. But I wouldn't cry about it if it happened that way. After all, the code would be a dropped requirement, not a ban! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
W0JBC
11-20-2006, 12:07 AM
IS it DONE yet http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
JB
ai4ep
11-20-2006, 12:22 AM
...maybe they meant --- December 19, 2007 ??
KI4PEQ
11-20-2006, 03:01 AM
Quote[/b] (W0JBC @ Nov. 19 2006,19:07)]IS it DONE yet http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
JB
It's SOUP! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
KD5GHV
11-20-2006, 03:50 AM
Just entered this assoc, and with this being my second post, I would like to say, "I hope it's not dropped before I become a KNOW CODE." It's confusing, like learning a new language, but by golly I am determined to learn it...Be Blessed...JDH
KI4QFY
11-20-2006, 03:58 AM
Quote[/b] (KD5GHV @ Nov. 19 2006,20:50)]It's confusing, like learning a new language, but by golly I am determined to learn it...
Be patient bro, its not that hard, Im learning it too, I want my General and a real radio... You are learning a new language, keep looking at it that way and it will be easier to put the energy into. Im about 1/2 way through learning and Im having fun with it! I got an old straight key and a CPO I breathed new life into! This is just too cool! Im looking forward to my first CW QSO, which Im sure Im going to bungle to pieces, but it will be MINE! 8-)
TWO posts on QRZ.COM, and he's asking about "when are they going to drop the code?". How depressing. Yet another example of someone whos first question which comes to mind is the elimination of the code requirment. Why did you get into ham radio in the first place? You said it yourself in your bio, you don't have enough money for a full-sized airplane, so why would you want to take up another hobby which can also drain the pocket book.
Hey, why not take up another expensive hobby while you are at it? I saw the worlds most expensive yaght the other day, Only a measly 500 million dollars. I bet you could talk them down, or at least make them feel sorry enough for you because you weren't being treated fairly that they would offer you a less expensive model that might satisfy you.
Or will you ever be satisfied? Sorry, my cynicism is showing through, but I get SOOOO tired of seeing these posts from these kinds of people !
I think I'll go and have a good cry, get some sleep and come back tomorrow. Like the robot in "Hitchhiker's Guide" said, "I'm SOOOO depressed ! "
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif Jim
ab8ro
11-20-2006, 05:05 AM
Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ Nov. 18 2006,22:30)]#You said it yourself in your bio, you don't have enough money for a full-sized airplane, so why would you want to take up another hobby which can also drain the pocket book. #
You aren't serious right? Surely you realize that you've answered your own question? Ham radio is MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper than flying. You know this right?
You can build a very functional HF station for well under $500 and never spend another dime on ham radio. I'd like you to point out which airplane you can purchase for under $500. Then I'd like you to show me how you can fly it without additional money. Even hang gliding has recurring costs and if you can find a $500 hang glider, well, I'll let you try it out first.
Seriously, put your agenda aside for a minute and you'll realize that there is nothing wrong with his perspective.
1) Ham radio is MUCH cheaper than flying.
2) Ham radio need not have any recurring costs.
3) You can enjoy HF without morse code.
Please don't bother pointing out the obvious that (3) only holds in the U.S. if you #have already passed a morse exam. Because you know and I know that there are #LOT of hams who passed 13wpm back in the day and never again touched a key.
KC9ECI
11-20-2006, 05:10 AM
Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Nov. 19 2006,14:48)]Code will be dropped in the near future.
I got this info straight from Condi (What a babe)
You keep talking like that and I might start to believe what the other fellas here are saying about you Greg!
There ain't enough dark at midnight in a cave.
KC0NBW
11-20-2006, 05:19 AM
how about if everyone that is waiting for the code to go away holds their breath until it is gone ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
W0BLH
11-20-2006, 05:58 AM
Quote[/b] (ka3vsp @ Nov. 19 2006,07:59)]Sorry, the date of December 32 is not correct. I copied the date in a cw message and it is January 1, 20007. Probably bad copy.
FLASH
I copied the date on CW as November 31. I think it was on a W1AW. That is only a little over a week. [B]Welcome to all the NCT on HF. I had a good copy, but don't hear that well.
BLH
ka5piu
11-20-2006, 07:00 AM
Hello.
Ham radio can be a downright cheap hobby.
My first radio was tube type car radio with a TV set scrounged
power supply.
The entire thing set me back nothing but the cost of solder and an iron.
But, I had to learn electronics theory.
I learned code by listening and and learning.
How hard could it be to listen to a tape of code a half hour each day?
N8CPA
11-20-2006, 07:30 AM
Quote[/b] (n0iu @ Nov. 19 2006,13:59)]To W6GQ:
Your comments remind me of a line from Mel Brooks' 1974 classic Blazing Saddles when Taggart (played by Slim Pickens) says to Hedley Lamarr (played by Harvey Korman) says, "Gal-darnit, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a $20 lady of the evening." *
* = original word substituted for this phrase to make it a little more family friendly... I think!
Scott NĜIU
Ain't nothin' pretty about coprophagy.
Well someone had to say it! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
ai4ep
11-20-2006, 01:50 PM
...not much lower that it CAN be dropped without being non - existing.
Is that the idea ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
KE5FRF
11-20-2006, 02:29 PM
Ever notice how on many of these threads, some fellow posts the original "wahh wahh wahh" rant and then he never posts another comment? 4 or 5 pages already on this thread, and he is nowhere to be found. I bet he is sitting back, reading the thing, and laughing.
K0HWY
11-20-2006, 02:43 PM
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Nov. 20 2006,06:50)]...not much lower that it CAN be dropped without being non - existing.
Is that the idea ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Are you referring to the code requirement or the entire examination process?
Either way, I guess it makes no difference. The answer is, Yes." http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
KD6NIG
11-20-2006, 02:49 PM
A decision on the NRPM will be made in roughly 4 years.*
(From a prediction I made roughly a year ago now)
*I do NOT specify what the decision will be, just the fact one will be made. I believe the odds of a drop of any kind occuring versus one not occuring to be a 50/50 split.
Quote[/b] (KC9ECI @ Nov. 19 2006,22:10)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Nov. 19 2006,14:48)]Code will be dropped in the near future.
I got this info straight from Condi (What a babe)
You keep talking like that and I might start to believe what the other fellas here are saying about you Greg!
There ain't enough dark at midnight in a cave.
Give him the chance. He'll be on her like white on Rice.
I passed the extra exam 2 weeks ago, I also passed the general last April. Since then I've been studying the code, but I have ms and it's not easy for me. I started out hating the code but now I'm starting to like it because it is becoming easier. I take the test Dec 9, and I have no doubt I'll pass. For me it's something I'll never regret doing. You should give yourself a chance to try it. I don't know when or if the FCC is going to drop it, but I'm not going to wait around for them. I wonder what 80/75 meters is going to sound like when the drop it and no code generals and extra's start showing up. Riley is going to be busy!
n1ydx
11-20-2006, 04:46 PM
Howdy Ditty Dah Dah Folks,
After making my post yesterday, I did go on 40 meters in both the Novice and General portions of the band and made probably 14 great QSOs.
A very satisfying QSO that made me strain after hearing the faint signal, was that a fellow Ham said ' Thanks this is my first QSO on 40 after building my own rig ' I only gave him a 349 but even that might have been good since I copied ( straining ) his 250 mw rig here in NH from his QTH in PA.
More power to ya guy ( only joking )
Stop bi-atching about it - Either learn it and join the Ditty Dah Dah crowd or just keep yacking on the SSB parts of the band you qualify for.
N1YDX - Retired US Army
Quote[/b] (kb0mmb @ Nov. 18 2006,21:00)]Im ready to take the test for General class and DO NOT have the time or desire to study the code..which I will NEVER use in 5 lifetimes...I enjoy talking on 2-70 cm and have NO desire to sit there and hit a little key all day!
So..when will it happen?
So what's your hurry? Sounds like you are wasting time not learning it...
Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 19 2006,07:57)]Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Nov. 19 2006,04:09)]I wanna be a golfer but I don't wanna swing clubs. #boo-hoo, boo-hoo.
Do some of you think about your analogies before you post them?
Can you be a golfer without swinging a club? No, that is what golfing is about.
Can you be a ham op without learning the code? Sure, lots of people don't know the code and are great ham operators. Code has nothing to do with radio. Code was developed for landline telegraphers in the mid 1800's.
Joe
Hmmm...and code has shown it is much more efficient in working a pileup, higher QSO rate, less repeats and no foul language nonsense....etc.....
For that matter..why use a microphone? Make it all digital and skip the voice modes altother...
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 18 2006,21:47)]Could happen. Monkeys could also fly out of his butt.
I actually saw that once on Bruce Almighty...well, he crawled out...oh well...it was close..
Makes about as much sense as some of the reasoning on here... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
ab9lz
11-20-2006, 06:28 PM
Quote[/b] (n1ydx @ Nov. 20 2006,09:46)]After making my post yesterday, I did go on 40 meters in both the Novice and General portions of the band and made probably 14 great QSOs.
Been doing this for about 15 months, and for the life of me I can't imagine how using a microphone can be any fun, I mean after all your choices are pretty limited...
1) Holler yer call over and over for 20 minutes hoping to get in on an inevitable phone DX pile up (yer 5 and 9 c ya).
2) 10 seconds of glory checking into an overcrowded net (hear ya fine here in alabama, yer 5 and 9 bill c ya).
3) Fight with the drunks on 75 when they "catch you tring to use "thier" frequency.
or
I can sit down at the key and have a qso going in under 5 minutes on almost any open band. Can do dozens of QSO's in a session, and work DX with even the most meager setup.
Learn the code, you'll have more fun.
73 m.
kd4mxe
11-20-2006, 09:13 PM
Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ Nov. 19 2006,21:30)]TWO posts on QRZ.COM, and he's asking about "when are they going to drop the code?". #How depressing. #Yet another example of someone whos first question which comes to mind is the elimination of the code requirment. #Why did you get into ham radio in the first place? #You said it yourself in your bio, you don't have enough money for a full-sized airplane, so why would you want to take up another hobby which can also drain the pocket book. #
Hey, why not take up another expensive hobby while you are at it? #I saw the worlds most expensive yaght the other day, #Only a measly 500 million dollars. #I bet you could talk them down, or at least make them feel sorry enough for you because you weren't being treated fairly that they would offer you a less expensive model that might satisfy you.
Or will you ever be satisfied? #Sorry, my cynicism is showing through, but I get SOOOO tired of seeing these posts from these kinds of people !
ag3y-I think I'll go and have a good cry, get some sleep and come back tomorrow. Like the robot in "Hitchhiker's Guide" said, "I'm SOOOO depressed ! "
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif Jim---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------jim thats Bad that you see so much that you dont like , so go ahead and take a a day or two and sleep and Rest up ,and come Back and see if it,s any Better , but I would Be willing to Bet you if you took 10 years out of this stuff you would still come Back and not like all that you saw and heard here ,73 good luck with your crying and sleeping , Bill kd4mxe http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
kd4mxe
11-20-2006, 09:42 PM
Quote[/b] (ab9lz @ Nov. 20 2006,11:28)]Quote[/b] (n1ydx @ Nov. 20 2006,09:46)]After making my post yesterday, I did go on 40 meters in both the Novice and General portions of the band and made probably 14 great QSOs.
1) Holler yer call over and over for 20 minutes hoping to get in on an inevitable phone DX pile up (yer 5 and 9 c ya).
2) 10 seconds of glory checking into an overcrowded net (hear ya fine here in alabama, yer 5 and 9 bill c ya).
3) Fight with the drunks on 75 when they "catch you tring to use "thier" frequency.
or
I can sit down at the key and have a qso going in under 5 minutes on almost any open band. Can do dozens of QSO's in a session, and work DX with even the most meager setup.
Learn the code, you'll have more fun.
73 m.
ab9lz-Been doing this for about 15 months, and for the life of me I can't imagine how using a microphone can be any fun, I mean after all your choices are pretty limited...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------(well sir I am on all the Bands and Hear a lot of ssb going on so I guess they dont see it like you do ,so beat your fist on that old key its ok that you like it, But if it,s ok with you I will use my finger on that old mic, I like it Better ,every one in this old world dont see things the way you do , good luck with your code ,&73 Bill kd4mxe http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] (kd4mxe @ Nov. 20 2006,17:13)]Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ Nov. 19 2006,21:30)]TWO posts on QRZ.COM, and he's asking about "when are they going to drop the code?". #How depressing. #Yet another example of someone whos first question which comes to mind is the elimination of the code requirment. #Why did you get into ham radio in the first place? #You said it yourself in your bio, you don't have enough money for a full-sized airplane, so why would you want to take up another hobby which can also drain the pocket book. #
Hey, why not take up another expensive hobby while you are at it? #I saw the worlds most expensive yaght the other day, #Only a measly 500 million dollars. #I bet you could talk them down, or at least make them feel sorry enough for you because you weren't being treated fairly that they would offer you a less expensive model that might satisfy you.
Or will you ever be satisfied? #Sorry, my cynicism is showing through, but I get SOOOO tired of seeing these posts from these kinds of people !
ag3y-I think I'll go and have a good cry, get some sleep and come back tomorrow. #Like the robot in "Hitchhiker's Guide" said, "I'm SOOOO depressed ! "
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif #Jim---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------jim # thats Bad # that you see so much that you dont like , so #go ahead and #take a # a day or two and sleep and Rest up ,and come Back and see if it,s any Better , but I would #Be willing to Bet you #if you took #10 years out #of this stuff #you would still come Back #and not like #all that you saw and heard # here ,73 good luck #with your crying and sleeping , Bill kd4mxe http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
MXE, I'm so glad to see that you are such a sympathetic person ! ! No, I am really not all that shaken up over the original post or some of the comments that followed. Heavens, after all that I have been through in this life, it would take a lot more to pull me down.
I could say a lot more about what I really feel about those kinds of posts, but I have somewhat of a reputation of being a "nice guy" here on QRZ, and I really would like to keep that reputation intact!
My main point was that it is almost predictable as to who will post such a thread in the first place. NCT, very few posts on QRZ.COM, and the first thing that pops into his/her mind is , "When am I going to be able to get on the HF bands, with little or no effort ? ? ? " It truly saddens me to see that the Amateur Radio Service has sunk to such a low status!
Jim
ai4ep
11-20-2006, 10:54 PM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Me ? I am still trying to figure out why --- rig is a kenwood 450s, with a hand mike ( Kenwood ) it has an " ac hum ", but with a mc-80 Kenwood desk mike, there is no hum ( great audio ).......some folks hear the hum and most do not with the hand mike.....so I guess I will just sell the rig & desk mike ( & of course the hand mike ) all together....this took longer to DO than the time it took to type this post ( fast typist ).....
Oh, you folks STILL arguing about morris code ?
Let me know when / if you uns ever make a final decision, in which every one is happy. ++ like THAT will ever occur ++
Be back later, fresh home made cheeseburgers 4 supper ( dinner to you yankees ), and a glass of sweet iced tea...and some skillet fried fries & ketchup to go with it, and a bowl full of home made slaw ......then maybe bake some brownies afterwards.
Done went and made my self hungry just proofreading all of this....!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Robert, you are not trying to change the subject, -------- are you ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif ?
73, Jim
Quote[/b] (kb0mmb @ Nov. 17 2006,22:00)]Im ready to take the test for General class and DO NOT have the time or desire to study the code..which I will NEVER use in 5 lifetimes...I enjoy talking on 2-70 cm and have NO desire to sit there and hit a little key all day!
So..when will it happen?
Back on topic........ Why would you want to go through the trouble of upgrading if you are happy on (as you put it) 2-70 cm (whatever that may be). Not many dual band FM rigs require you to 'hit a little key all day', do they?
Have fun trolling the boards and playing on repeaters...... oh... and have a nice Thanksgiving too. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
K0HWY
11-21-2006, 12:25 AM
Digression a second:
I was copying code this afternoon on 40m and for some reason KU4MY looks familiar. Were you on this afternoon Tom? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
kd4mxe
11-21-2006, 12:59 AM
Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ Nov. 20 2006,15:27)]Quote[/b] (kd4mxe @ Nov. 20 2006,17:13)]Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ Nov. 19 2006,21:30)]TWO posts on QRZ.COM, and he's asking about "when are they going to drop the code?". #How depressing. #Yet another example of someone whos first question which comes to mind is the elimination of the code requirment. #Why did you get into ham radio in the first place? #You said it yourself in your bio, you don't have enough money for a full-sized airplane, so why would you want to take up another hobby which can also drain the pocket book. #
Hey, why not take up another expensive hobby while you are at it? #I saw the worlds most expensive yaght the other day, #Only a measly 500 million dollars. #I bet you could talk them down, or at least make them feel sorry enough for you because you weren't being treated fairly that they would offer you a less expensive model that might satisfy you.
Or will you ever be satisfied? #Sorry, my cynicism is showing through, but I get SOOOO tired of seeing these posts from these kinds of people !
ag3y-I think I'll go and have a good cry, get some sleep and come back tomorrow. #Like the robot in "Hitchhiker's Guide" said, "I'm SOOOO depressed ! "
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif #Jim---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------jim # thats Bad # that you see so much that you dont like , so #go ahead and #take a # a day or two and sleep and Rest up ,and come Back and see if it,s any Better , but I would #Be willing to Bet you #if you took #10 years out #of this stuff #you would still come Back #and not like #all that you saw and heard # here ,73 good luck #with your crying and sleeping , Bill kd4mxe http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
MXE, #I'm so glad to see that you are such a sympathetic person ! ! # #No, I am really not all that shaken up over the original post or some of the comments that followed. #Heavens, after all that I have been through in this life, it would take a lot more to pull me down. #
My main point was that it is almost predictable as to who will post such a thread in the first place. #NCT, very few posts on QRZ.COM, and the first thing that pops into his/her mind is , "When am I going to be able to get on the HF bands, with little or no effort ? ? ? " # #It truly saddens me to see that the Amateur Radio Service has sunk to such a low status!
Jim
ag3y-I could say a lot more about what I really feel about those kinds of posts, but I have somewhat of a reputation of being a "nice guy" here on QRZ, and I really would like to keep that reputation intact! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------( ok jim thats fine we want you to Be a nice guy to ,73Bill kd4mxe
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kd4mxe
11-21-2006, 01:03 AM
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Nov. 20 2006,15:54)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # Me ? #I am still trying to figure out why --- rig is a kenwood 450s, with a hand mike ( Kenwood ) it has an " ac hum ", but with a mc-80 Kenwood desk mike, there is no hum ( great audio ).......some folks hear the hum and most do not with the hand mike.....so I guess I will just sell the rig & desk mike #( & of course the hand mike ) #all together....this took longer to DO than the time it took to type this post ( fast typist ).....
#Oh, you folks STILL arguing about morris code ?
#Let me know when / if you uns ever make a final decision, in which every one is happy. #++ like THAT will ever occur ++
.
Done went and made my self hungry just proofreading all of this....!! # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
ai4ep- Be back later, fresh home made cheeseburgers 4 supper ( dinner to you yankees ), and a glass of sweet iced tea...and some skillet fried fries & ketchup to go with it, and a bowl full of home made slaw ......then maybe bake some brownies afterwards--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------hey dont talk like that ,I have not eat supper yet,73 Bill kd4mxe http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
30 years a cowboy and never milked a cow...
ab8ro
11-21-2006, 01:39 AM
I just got off the phone, it will be some time next year. Most likely earlier than later. The details are being worked out right now.
Don't say that I didn't tell ya so!
ai4ep
11-21-2006, 01:43 AM
he must have one or more HF radios to sell to potential new hf operators....!!
kc7jty
11-21-2006, 02:22 AM
All good things come to those who wait.
Quote[/b] ]WHEN WILL THE CODE BE DROPPED?
When will the discussions about "Dropping the Code" be dropped?
Only the FCC knows the answer to one of two of the questions
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Why are you lworried about getting a general ticket ? There are no repeaters below ten meters to ker-chunk! You can't have any fun on HF!
W5HTW
11-21-2006, 03:20 AM
BLAM!!! I just dropped some of it! Darn. I bet some of those dits rolled under the desk. Gonna have to get down there and scrape them out. I think the cat grabbed a couple of the dahs and ran off with them. That's my Ditty Kitty.
Oh? Code? There's a code? What kind of code? Will my Red Ryder Secret Decoder Ring decode it? Is it like a code on a padlock? What's the secret code?
When will the code be dropped. I think the original guy who started this thread has already dropped it. So there's your answer, huh?
Of course, wait till that 6th lifetime rolls around.
Waaah. I want a code. Gimme a code. I want DE code. Gimme, gimme the code. Any code. Waaaah. I need a code.
Sorry. I'm not lazy enough.
Forget it.
wa9cwx
11-21-2006, 07:18 AM
Ed,
What the hell you been sippin...?
Frank http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
N8CPA
11-21-2006, 11:23 AM
Ed, I think I know where they went. To the amusement parks, county fairs and malls.
In those places I always see Dippin' Dots being sold by vendors. As a matter of fact,
I bet that's where your old grid dip meter went!
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n4awp
11-21-2006, 12:11 PM
Never use it! Bull. NEVER SAY NEVER! Get off your lazy can and do it. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
K0HWY
11-21-2006, 01:38 PM
Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Nov. 20 2006,19:22)]All good things come to those who wait.
There's another school of thought out there, although it's somewhat antiquated these days. "Good things come to those who get off their ass and work." I've never tried your methodology but mine seems to work most of the time. I've also found that if something good does come my way with no effort from myself, it doesn't seem to hold much value.
kc7jty
11-21-2006, 05:22 PM
Quote[/b] (k8jd @ Nov. 20 2006,20:01)]Why are you lworried about getting a general ticket ? There are no repeaters below ten meters to ker-chunk! You can't have any fun on HF!
that's what you think. Wait till Tater & Mushmouse get hooked up with the Rubber Duck on 40 meters with 'em 2 KAY DUBYA LEENYERS.
"Wol aisle be de-ipped in she-it"!
Quote[/b] ] WHEN WILL THE CODE BE DROPPED?
Not till <span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>I</span></span> say so!
ai4ep
11-21-2006, 07:05 PM
tow --- remember there are those who WORK for what they accomplish through life.
and...
the others.
* edited to remove most of the vulgarity *
Quote[/b] ]There's another school of thought out there, although it's somewhat antiquated these days. "Good things come to those who get off their ass and work."
Right on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
Between that qoute and the golden rule, 90% of the worlds problems could be solved...and the original poster could get on HF.
kf4vgx
11-21-2006, 10:22 PM
Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Nov. 20 2006,12:56)]Quote[/b] ] WHEN WILL THE CODE BE DROPPED?
Not till <span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>I</span></span> say so!
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n6hcm
11-21-2006, 11:56 PM
Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Nov. 18 2006,21:42)]In fact, it's very possible that you could use the code to save the planet just like in independence day.
they had a powerbook. with a powerbook you can save the world. with morse code most of the world won't even understand you.
...we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there....
ab8ro
11-22-2006, 12:58 AM
Quote[/b] (n6hcm @ Nov. 20 2006,17:56)]Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Nov. 18 2006,21:42)]In fact, it's very possible that you could use the code to save the planet just like in independence day.
they had a powerbook. #with a powerbook you can save the world. #with morse code most of the world won't even understand you.
Well yes, they did have a powerbook. But in the end of the movie they used morse code to communicate the method for bringing down the alien ships.
Look, I'm not making this up, it's in the movie. What more proof do you need? If we are attacked by hordes of aliens morse might be useful.
ai4ep
11-22-2006, 01:39 AM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ...you folks are so desperate to prove your side of the story that you are using the script / pictures / etc of a HOLLYWOOD MOVIE to prove your point ?
C'mon, get real !!
At least use some facts from a real disaster ( hurricane katrina communications, or any disaster anywhere on this planet within the last ...say... 5 years ), or does that require too much effort, to dig in the reality ( instead of the fantasy ) of the possibilities.
In simple terms --- grow up.
That is what you would be saying to me IF I were to try this type of stunt.
ab8ro
11-22-2006, 04:32 AM
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Nov. 20 2006,19:39)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ...you folks are so desperate to prove your side of the story that you are using the script / pictures / etc of a HOLLYWOOD MOVIE to prove your point ?
Let me guess, you didn't like the movie?
kd4mxe
11-22-2006, 01:10 PM
Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Nov. 21 2006,21:32)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Nov. 20 2006,19:39)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ...you folks are so desperate to prove your side of the story that you are using the script / pictures / etc of a HOLLYWOOD MOVIE to prove your point ?
Let me guess, you didn't like the movie?
no But he like takeing #a shot at you , see what this #code stuff #will do to your mind,it makes people think Because they do it you got to do it ,73 Bill kd4mxe http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
No coder hears test is gone:
I realize this was a troll to start with, but hey, if learning 5 WPM is so difficult, how will you get through life when something really challenging comes along?
What then? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Nov. 19 2006,20:22)]All good things come to those who wait.
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ai4ep
11-22-2006, 05:25 PM
w0lc DOES have a valid point about life in "general "...then comes "extra life "
kc7jty
11-22-2006, 05:26 PM
Quote[/b] (ku4my @ Nov. 22 2006,10:19)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Nov. 19 2006,20:22)]All good things come to those who wait.
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Don't forget global warming. Things are different now.
Quote[/b] (W0LC @ Nov. 22 2006,10:08)]I realize this was a troll to start with, but hey, if learning 5 WPM is so difficult, how will you get through life when something really challenging comes along?
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They will cry, whine, posture, and cop an attitude. It has worked so far.
ab8ro
11-22-2006, 06:37 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 21 2006,12:30)]
What a nice picture charlie; is that your "life partner"?
ai4ep
11-22-2006, 06:39 PM
...it DOES make you wonder how they get through the daily situations that they encounter .... DO they whine, and cry through all of those, also ?
ai4ep
11-22-2006, 06:42 PM
When 2 EXTRA class operators get to arguing over a situation ...neither side can win, and the NCT who keeps stirring the pot is getting a good laugh out of it.
I aint supposed to notice that, but now YOU can, too.
ai4ep
11-22-2006, 06:49 PM
Why is an EXTRA from California arguing with an EXTRA from Mississippi ?
no one is gaining any thing !!
Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Nov. 22 2006,11:37)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 21 2006,12:30)]
What a nice picture charlie; is that your "life partner"?
ROFL! Let's go to the judges.... looks like you didn't do so good...
WA7KKP
11-22-2006, 06:57 PM
Don't knock morse code until you try it . . .
Yeah, it is a pain in the cranium, but it is the simplest way to impart intellegence on an RF carrier.
The most fun I've ever had on HF was as a Novice pounding brass . . . WORKING (yes it is a labor of love) hams all over the US and even a couple DX contacts.
Gary WA7KKP
ai4ep
11-22-2006, 07:00 PM
kkp ---yes, fewer LIDS on cw than on ssb.
Quote[/b] (WA7KKP @ Nov. 22 2006,14:57)]Don't knock morse code until you try it . . .
Yeah, it is a pain in the cranium, but it is the simplest way to impart intellegence on an RF carrier.
Gary WA7KKP
Gary, are you being too generous concerning those who desire the code testing to go away, when you refer to craniums and intelligence ( correct spelling, BTW ! ) ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Sorry, just had to say it.
Come on guys, what is so gul durn difficult about learning a few letters and punctuation marks at 5 WPM ? Haven't you EVER attempted to learn SOMETHING NEW in your life ?
What do you do with your pathetic existence, sit around and complain about how hard it is to breathe in and breathe out ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Golly, you guys ARE PATHETIC !
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K0HWY
11-22-2006, 11:11 PM
Gotta start being more careful on the air. Although there's no list of "no-no" words, it's becoming apparent that words like work, effort and learn aren't going to be tolerated by future amateur operators. Yup... guess I'll be having Irish Spring for dinner. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
KD7UNP
11-23-2006, 01:20 AM
Hi guys,
I have been following tjis topic with great interest. I would (without trying to seem like a whiner), like to make a statement regarding the topic.
I have tried for over a year to pass the code test. It has not been for lack of study or trying. I have plenty of time, and put in almost 2 hours a day of listening and practice.
I actually find it fascinating and hope to pass one day. It would be great to finally get on the HF bands.
The problem I am having with this discussion group, is the lack of generousity that is being shown to one another.
Please, guys, get together and try to get along. I am a permanently and totally disabled veteran who's contacts with most of the outside take place on the radio.
Without going into detail, some of my failure to master the code is definitely due to my disabilities, and hearing some of the less than charitable remarks made to one another on this thread really discourage me aroundissues of this hobby.
I don't want General if I can't earn it, and hope to master code sooner than later because I WANT to use it.
Thats not to say that if the code is dropped I wouldn't jump at the opportunity to accept a license.
I guess all I am trying to say brothers, is I wish you would be more charitable to each other-because nobody can know everybody's complete circumstances al the time.
Thanks for listening...
kd4mxe
11-23-2006, 02:00 AM
Quote[/b] (KD7UNP @ Nov. 22 2006,18:20)]Hi guys,
I have been following tjis topic with great interest. #I would (without trying to seem like a whiner), like to make a statement regarding the topic.
# ## # #I actually find it fascinating and hope to pass one day. #It would be great to finally get on the HF bands.
# # #The problem I am having with this discussion group, is the lack of generousity that is being shown to one another.
# # # # #Without going into detail, some of my failure to master the code is definitely due to my disabilities, and hearing some of the less than charitable remarks made to one another on this thread really discourage me aroundissues of this hobby.
# # I don't want General if I can't earn it, and hope to master code sooner than later because I WANT to use it.
# # Thats not to say that if the code is dropped I wouldn't jump at the opportunity to accept a license.
# # #I guess all I am trying to say brothers, is I wish you would be more charitable to each other-because nobody can know everybody's complete circumstances al the time.
# # Thanks for listening...
kd7unp- #I have tried for over a year to pass the code test. #It has not been for lack of study or trying. #I have plenty of time, and put in almost 2 hours a day of listening and practice.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------(sir #I under stand #how Bad you want to do it , But #dont over do it ,if it get,s to the point where you think #you are not getting any where well slack off alittle #2 #hours may #Be to much #at a time ,I know I was going # 2 to 3 #hours and #I was told #to cut #down on the #Time per Day that I did it #and it worked for me , so it #just could work #for you , good luck #to you and if I can help you #just let me #know , I will do the Best I can to help you , happy thanksgiving #to you and yours,kd4mxe------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------(kd7unp- Please, guys, get together and try to get along. #I am a permanently and totally disabled veteran who's contacts with most of the outside take place on the radio.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------( and #for get #what you see here #on these post, #these Kind of people Have #Been around for years and #years #you #the fcc or #the arrl #could not please #some of these people ,just do your thing and let them do there thing ,and in the end it will all work out , some of these people only see it one way there way, and thats it good luck,73 Bill
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ai4ep
11-23-2006, 02:09 AM
...try turning the volume ( audio output ) DOWN, a whole lot. If the sound is echoing off the walls, it can and does confuse the human ears.
I have the sound turned down so low...as a reference... you are sitting in front of your monitor, hearing the fan keeping the " computer tower " cool...I have the audio turned down to about that low of a level.
Of course some one will smart off with some wild hair-brained remark about what is posted in my post above this area, but I aint trying to insult any one...just a meager attempt to help.
If it helps, that is good, if not, maybe it helped one other person who reads this post.
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
also, thankgiving is year around, something like Christmas... it is the ability to give and be thankful for what we have...blah blah blah ( you know what I mean ) .
Strive to be the best you CAN, and be thankful for what you do have...including health.
73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
kd4mxe
11-23-2006, 02:17 AM
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Nov. 22 2006,19:09)]...try turning the volume ( audio output ) DOWN, a whole lot. #If the sound is echoing off the walls, it can and does confuse the human ears.
I have the sound turned down so low...as a reference... you are sitting in front of your monitor, hearing the fan keeping the " computer tower " cool...I have the audio turned down to about that low of a level.
Of course some one will smart off with some wild hair-brained remark about what is posted in my post above this area, but I aint trying to insult any one...just a meager attempt to help.
If it helps, that is good, if not, maybe it helped one other person who reads this post.
ai4ep-Happy Thanksgiving to all.
also, thankgiving is year around, something like Christmas... it is the ability to give and be thankful for what we have...blah blah blah ( you know what I mean ) .
Strive to be the best you CAN, and be thankful for what you do have...including health.
73 :)-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------(well could not have said it Better , and I would like to send all this Back to you , 73 Bill kd4mxe
KD7UNP
11-23-2006, 06:09 AM
Bill and Robert,
Thank you for your support and advice.....I will try the "volume trick" as well as back off on the amount of time daily which I practice.
A great Holiday Season to you all. Hope to see you on the log one day.
-Bob
ab8ro
11-23-2006, 06:28 AM
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Nov. 21 2006,12:49)]Why is an EXTRA from California arguing with an EXTRA from Mississippi ?
#no one is gaining any thing !!
Hey Robert,
How goes things in four land. I'm so past arguing, really. I'm just having fun with charlie. Looks like he liked that last joke.
Seriously though, I really don't identify with this license class thing.
73s's anyway and all that.
n0nwo
11-23-2006, 02:28 PM
Quote[/b] ]WHEN WILL THE CODE BE DROPPED?
Not untll Jericho goes off the air. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] (KD7UNP @ Nov. 22 2006,21:20)]Hi guys,
I have been following tjis topic with great interest. I would (without trying to seem like a whiner), like to make a statement regarding the topic.
I have tried for over a year to pass the code test. It has not been for lack of study or trying. I have plenty of time, and put in almost 2 hours a day of listening and practice.
I actually find it fascinating and hope to pass one day. It would be great to finally get on the HF bands.
The problem I am having with this discussion group, is the lack of generousity that is being shown to one another.
Please, guys, get together and try to get along. I am a permanently and totally disabled veteran who's contacts with most of the outside take place on the radio.
Without going into detail, some of my failure to master the code is definitely due to my disabilities, and hearing some of the less than charitable remarks made to one another on this thread really discourage me aroundissues of this hobby.
I don't want General if I can't earn it, and hope to master code sooner than later because I WANT to use it.
Thats not to say that if the code is dropped I wouldn't jump at the opportunity to accept a license.
I guess all I am trying to say brothers, is I wish you would be more charitable to each other-because nobody can know everybody's complete circumstances al the time.
Thanks for listening...
My previous statements are OBVIOUSLY NOT aimed at someone such as you ! I will hope and pray that you will eventually get that code test taken and passed with flying colors !
I am on permanent disability myself, and understand that it can be very difficult to overcome obstacles that are placed in our path. It can be very difficult, but NOT impossible!
I don't know the nature of your difficulty, but I do know that some totally deaf people have learned how to read code at the old Extra Class speed of 20 wpm ! "HOW ?" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif you ask.
They fashioned a device that would convert the "beeps" of a code oscillator into flashing lights. The procedure then became very much like reading a light from a ship at sea during WWII. I'm sure you have seen film footage of operators sending Morse back and forth in the convoys with the big lights with the shutters in front of them !
I have also heard of operators that put their fingers directly on the diaphragm of a vibrating speaker, and "hear" the code with their fingertips.
Another thing that really helps a lot is if you set up a session with someone else who is also trying to learn the code. It is much more fun, almost like a game, if you can send and receive CW with someone else.
Maybe these ideas will give you some encouragement.
73, and a very happy Thanksgiving! Good luck, and when it gets to be too frustrating, it is time to back off and relax!
Jim
wa9cwx
11-24-2006, 02:44 AM
Man, this CW stuff sure generates a LOT of interest.
ai4ep
11-24-2006, 03:47 AM
...but is it enough interest to go on another CW thread ?
I mean, this one ONLY has 6 pages...I saw one years ago that was around 177 ...right here on qrz. It was famous. It may still be.
Save the SPAMs! Collect the set.
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KC0NBW
11-24-2006, 09:04 AM
Quote[/b] (KD7UNP @ Nov. 22 2006,18:20)]Hi guys,
I have been following tjis topic with great interest. #I would (without trying to seem like a whiner), like to make a statement regarding the topic.
# # I have tried for over a year to pass the code test. #It has not been for lack of study or trying. #I have plenty of time, and put in almost 2 hours a day of listening and practice.
# # #I actually find it fascinating and hope to pass one day. #It would be great to finally get on the HF bands.
# # #The problem I am having with this discussion group, is the lack of generousity that is being shown to one another.
# # Please, guys, get together and try to get along. #I am a permanently and totally disabled veteran who's contacts with most of the outside take place on the radio.
# # #Without going into detail, some of my failure to master the code is definitely due to my disabilities, and hearing some of the less than charitable remarks made to one another on this thread really discourage me aroundissues of this hobby.
# # I don't want General if I can't earn it, and hope to master code sooner than later because I WANT to use it.
# # Thats not to say that if the code is dropped I wouldn't jump at the opportunity to accept a license.
# # #I guess all I am trying to say brothers, is I wish you would be more charitable to each other-because nobody can know everybody's complete circumstances al the time.
# # Thanks for listening...
you aren't the only disabled veteran out here, but you are one of the few that want to use it as an excuse to get out of being required to pass element 1 to get on hf.
i have a severe hearing loss, that did not keep me from passing the code test.
i have limited use of my right arm, that does not prevent me from using code.
i had a stroke last fall, that does not keep me from using morse code.
i can only walk about 100 feet with the aid of canes or crutches, any farther and i need to use a wheelchair.
that interferes with my ability to qlf but it does not stop me from trying!
i have seen people with far worse disabilities than mine pass code tests,even the old 20 w.p.m. for the extra.
the only real excuse for not being able to pass the current element 1 is just refusing to try.
don't worry about "mastering" morse code, just learn enough to pass the 5wpm required to get on hf ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
N8CPA
11-24-2006, 09:20 AM
If you think learning code is a PIA, remember:
that's why they're called HEADphones.
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AE6IP
11-24-2006, 09:32 AM
Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Nov. 24 2006,01:04)]Quote[/b] (KD7UNP @ Nov. 22 2006,18:20)]Hi guys,
I actually find it fascinating and hope to pass one day. It would be great to finally get on the HF bands.
The problem I am having with this discussion group, is the lack of generousity that is being shown to one another.
you aren't the only disabled veteran out here, but you are one of the few that want to use it as an excuse to get out of being required to pass element 1 to get on hf.
Man, it's sad when people are in such a hurry to abuse someone that they don't even read what was actually written.
Robert, You're doing a great job and I hope you eventually pass the test, but if the FCC drops element 1 before you do, be sure that there are many of us that will welcome you on HF.
73,
Marty
KC0NBW
11-24-2006, 09:41 AM
Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Nov. 24 2006,02:32)]Man, it's sad when people are in such a hurry to abuse someone that they don't even read what was actually written.
Robert, You're doing a great job and I hope you eventually pass the test, but if the FCC drops element 1 before you do, be sure that there are many of us that will welcome you on HF.
73,
Marty
and those who use only part of what someone posted to be able to run them down !
you are just as guilty as you make me out to be !
W8FAX
11-24-2006, 02:29 PM
.....sheesh............who's the DX?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?...........
Quote[/b] (W0LC @ Nov. 22 2006,10:08)]I realize this was a troll to start with, but hey, if learning 5 WPM is so difficult, how will you get through life when something really challenging comes along?
What then? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
W0LC: They will sit there and whine, instead of getting some ambition in there lives, it's allway's easyer to blame some thing else, N9FE
A picture is worth a thousand words:
N8CPA
11-24-2006, 06:32 PM
Quote[/b] (N9FE @ Nov. 24 2006,10:48)]Quote[/b] (W0LC @ Nov. 22 2006,10:08)]I realize this was a troll to start with, but hey, if learning 5 WPM is so difficult, how will you get through life when something really challenging comes along?
What then? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
W0LC: They will sit there and whine, instead of getting some ambition in there lives, it's allway's easyer to blame some thing else, N9FE
That's right--nowadays, it's the subject that's stupid, not the student. How the paradigm has shifted.
w0kcs
11-24-2006, 07:15 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 24 2006,11:16)]A picture is worth a thousand words:
LOL!!!
Thanks for giving me a good laugh. Love it!
I think if someone wants to become a General enough, they'll learn the code. I'm certainly no poster boy for the code. I don't use it, although I like to listen to it. Chances are it'll go the way of the spark gap, IMHO.
I used some code-teaching cassettes I bought in the 80's. Yes, I listened to them and then put them away until a few years ago. I took and passed the Tech test. The following month, passed element 1. One year later, I passed the General. Now I can enjoy the freedom of a lot of the amateur frequencies. When I was a tech, it was 10m only.
By the way, the guy's a troll. Please.
KD7UNP
11-24-2006, 09:33 PM
It is unfortunate that several of you decided to deliberately mis-interpet or conveniently use my original post for the sake of humiliating yet another person with a simple opinion on the topic.
I will not make the mistake of posting on any forum in the future. As I said in my original post....I am amazed at the lack of charity some of you show each other. For those of you who understood what I meant, thank you for your encouraging replies. For thos of you who decided I was just to be subject to your vitriolic rhetoric, =shame on you.
I guess there will always be people who cannot read and understand simple concepts, as well as insecure opportunists who have to berate people in order to make themselves feel better.
Have a great upcoming holiday season (all of you). I sincerely mean that, and when I do pass the code, and I will, I hope to make contact with some of you.
Most Sincerely,
Bob
Quote[/b] (KD7UNP @ Nov. 24 2006,14:33)]It is unfortunate that several of you decided to deliberately mis-interpet or conveniently use my original post for the sake of humiliating yet another person with a simple opinion on the topic.
I will not make the mistake of posting on any forum in the future. As I said in my original post....I am amazed at the lack of charity some of you show each other. For those of you who understood what I meant, thank you for your encouraging replies. For thos of you who decided I was just to be subject to your vitriolic rhetoric, =shame on you.
I guess there will always be people who cannot read and understand simple concepts, as well as insecure opportunists who have to berate people in order to make themselves feel better.
Have a great upcoming holiday season (all of you). I sincerely mean that, and when I do pass the code, and I will, I hope to make contact with some of you.
Most Sincerely,
Bob
Bob,
I read your messages and the replies to you and they were all nice as far as I can see. You posted in the middle of a running discussion and you think everyone is talking to you?
Sounds like you're the one who needs reading comprehension. No offense meant, but it you want to stay we'd be very happy to hear from you. If you want to go, then bye bye and have a great holiday season.
ai4ep
11-25-2006, 06:31 PM
..." bye - bye " ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I aint heard THAT is years !!
i guess it sounds better with the emphasis on being polite instead of being sarcastic.
...but 2 men saying " bye - bye " to each other DOES sound .....well.... like the picture on the right. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
KI4MHA
11-25-2006, 07:17 PM
Passed the CW test today
KI4MHA/AG
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af2cw
11-25-2006, 07:19 PM
Congratulations Mike! #Hope to hear you on the bands soon.
ai4ep
11-25-2006, 09:59 PM
MHA --- congradulations !!
See ? We had been telling ya that the test aint THAT hard...now was it ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
K0HWY
11-25-2006, 10:30 PM
Good job MHA. Hope to work you one of these days. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
wa9cwx
11-26-2006, 12:46 AM
Congrats.
Hope to hear you on the bands, OM. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
MHA: Good deal, you got it done, you never have to take that test again, way to go.. N9FE
Way to go MHA....keep using it and you will be surprised just how much faster you can go over time....lots of nice guys on CW too! No foul language or nonsense...
A little effort pays off, er, at least for some...
COngrats again!
Quote[/b] (KI4MHA @ Nov. 25 2006,14:17)]Passed the CW test today
KI4MHA/AG
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Congratulations! Hope to see you on 30M someday. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
N8CPA
11-26-2006, 03:33 PM
Quote[/b] (KI4MHA @ Nov. 25 2006,15:17)]Passed the CW test today
KI4MHA/AG
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Way to go!
AA0CX
11-26-2006, 03:37 PM
Quote[/b] (KI4MHA @ Nov. 25 2006,12:17)]Passed the CW test today
KI4MHA/AG
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Way to go....now get on the air, make some Q's...you'll be surprised to see how fast your code speed comes up.
Hope to work you sometime on 40 meters. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
ai4ep
11-26-2006, 05:34 PM
...has any one noticed the MOOD / ATTITUDE cahnge in this thread since the dude passed his morse code test ?
I mean, hey if a 46 ( at that time ) year old man from Alabama can pass it, it should not be a challenge for you highly educated yahoos from other parts of the USA ( and the whole world ).
and the best part is --- no one can take away from you what you learn....even if you never use it for 5 years and you hear some CW, you WILL recognise some of the letters / numbers / punctuation...because you learned it. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
ok...we through rambling... chomp / chomp on some Sunday lunch kfc !!
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Nov. 26 2006,10:34)]...has any one noticed the MOOD / ATTITUDE cahnge in this thread since the dude passed his morse code test ?
I mean, hey #if a 46 ( at that time ) year old man from Alabama can pass it, it should #not be a challenge for you highly educated yahoos from other parts of the USA ( and the whole world ).
and the best part is --- no one can take away from you what you learn....even if you never use it for 5 years and you hear some CW, you WILL recognise some of the letters / numbers / punctuation...because you learned it. # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
ok...we through rambling... chomp / chomp on some Sunday lunch kfc !!
Tsk, tsk Robert! You know the underlying lack of motivation out there with a minority of folks..."I dun wanna"....
A bit of effort and motivation and it is easily accomplished....
I have seen severly handicapped individuals do it, puts others to shame...
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