WHEN WILL THE CODE BE DROPPED?

[w5alt]

Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Dec. 15 2006,13:17)]Dropping the code test doesn't "dumb down" anything, no more than dropping a test for push-ups to get a HS diploma.

Eliminating unneeded test requirements is a step in the right direction.
Hmm, nice analogy and interesting that you brought it up ...

When I was in HS we had gym class and had to pass a push-ups test or have a medical waiver. They dropped it as a requirement several years later -- and SAT scores started dropping.

Eliminating tests is a step, but the direction is subject to debate. I've yet to see any avocation get better by dropping requirements. But, it's quite possible that my definition of "better" is different than yours.

73,
Walt, W5ALT

[kd4mxe]

well the dumb down whiners are Rolling now , you folks will learn it will do you no good to live in the past time moves on with you or without you ,Bill kd4mxe http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[K7JEM]

Quote[/b] (w5alt @ Dec. 15 2006,13:52)]Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Dec. 15 2006,13:17)]Dropping the code test doesn't "dumb down" anything, no more than dropping a test for push-ups to get a HS diploma.

Eliminating unneeded test requirements is a step in the right direction.
Hmm, nice analogy and interesting that you brought it up ...

When I was in HS we had gym class and had to pass a push-ups test or have a medical waiver. They dropped it as a requirement several years later -- and SAT scores started dropping.

Eliminating tests is a step, but the direction is subject to debate. I've yet to see any avocation get better by dropping requirements. But, it's quite possible that my definition of "better" is different than yours.

73,
Walt, W5ALT
How many avocations even have any "requirements"?

If you want to do it, you do. If you don't want to do it, you don't. Ham radio has a license because you can transmit. No license is required to do anything else that we do in ham radio.

Joe

[ky5u]

As another public service to this thread, I have reconfigured my vaccum cleaner to make sense of JEM's posts on QRZ.COM...

[w5alt]

Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Dec. 15 2006,17:27)]Quote[/b] (w5alt @ Dec. 15 2006,13:52)]Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Dec. 15 2006,13:17)]Dropping the code test doesn't "dumb down" anything, no more than dropping a test for push-ups to get a HS diploma.

Eliminating unneeded test requirements is a step in the right direction.
Hmm, nice analogy and interesting that you brought it up ...

When I was in HS we had gym class and had to pass a push-ups test or have a medical waiver. They dropped it as a requirement several years later -- and SAT scores started dropping.

Eliminating tests is a step, but the direction is subject to debate. I've yet to see any avocation get better by dropping requirements. But, it's quite possible that my definition of "better" is different than yours.

73,
Walt, W5ALT
How many avocations even have any "requirements"?
Depends on your definition of avocation. I used it in terms of employment, since that's what a HS diploma is often said to be important for.

Quote[/b] ]If you want to do it, you do. If you don't want to do it, you don't. Ham radio has a license because you can transmit. No license is required to do anything else that we do in ham radio.
You mean, like give tests?

It appears you just reduced your own argument to absurdity, but nice change of subject. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

73,
Walt, W5ALT

[W4CBJ]

My point is: it's hard to read the code both with sound and/or written out (.-) without proper spacing... 73 Joe W4CBJ

[W4CBJ]

There is no difference between CAN'T and WON'T. The results are the same.
A lecture to the unwise is insufficient... 73 Joe W4CBJ

[N4AUD]

When will the code be dropped?

Today.

FCC announces no more code requirement (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf)

I think it's a mistake, but it's the rules now, guys.

[n9vo]

OK, lets lock her down!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[K7JEM]

Still plenty of time to get those code tests done.

Merry Christmas, from the FCC!

Joe

[n9vo]

Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Dec. 15 2006,18:35)]Still plenty of time to get those code tests done.

Merry Christmas, from the FCC!

Joe
Hey, if they weren't motivated before, they sure won't be now!!!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W4CBJ]

OBITUARY: #Samuel Finlay Breeze Morse #SK. #We regret to inform you that Mr. MORSE just read the FCC newsletter, #had a heart attack and passed away. All CW operators are invited to attend services at ARRL headquarters. Investigators are looking into charging those responsible for this decision with contributing homicide.
Goodbye to a great old man... 73 #Joe W4CBJ.

[ky5u]

Congratulations to the Generals to be. Only time will tell now if we will have positive contributors or CB the second generation. On the air, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I do hear singing....

[K7JEM]

Is that your goat, Charlie?

There do appear to be horns! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Dec. 15 2006,19:55)]Is that your goat, Charlie?

There do appear to be horns! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Don't know about my goat, but my pig is gone.... The day had come for it to fly!

[k7nys]

We didn't complain when they came out with viagra so the OF's could still operate on those 'freqs'

[wv6z]

'NEW and IMPROVED Answer' = T-minus 30 days and counting..............

[n0klu]

The Fall of the Morse Code God! With a simple stroke of the pen the FCC dropped the requirement.
Now let’s see how many turn in their tickets or sell their equipment on eBay as promised.

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[wv6z]

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[KC2ESD]

PIG Airline, Your cleared for take off Runway 31 ACY.
Yep, Pigs on a Airplane, the Fat Lady is singing, I'm in Shock, Need another class of Wine.

[ki4nzu]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif #iiiiit just cant be true, Im dreaming or something. I have made a conclusion, that if CW dissapears completely and no one uses it anymore, and if things have totally gone to just Phone and digital, I am quitting the hobby. CW is the HEART of ham radio, CW IS ham radio!!!!!!!

[WP4KTF]

When I left QRZ.com over a year ago, people were fighting over CW. I come back and they're STILL fighting over CW. Some people should get a life...

73
...myspace.com/WP4KTF

[W0UZR]

Quote[/b] (ki4nzu @ Dec. 15 2006,23:15)]NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif #iiiiit just cant be true, Im dreaming or something. I have made a conclusion, that if CW dissapears completely and no one uses it anymore, and if things have totally gone to just Phone and digital, I am quitting the hobby. CW is the HEART of ham radio, CW IS ham radio!!!!!!!
I KNOW,,,,

I KNOWWW,,,,,


!!~**SNIFF**~!!


~~#SOB#~~



JUST exactly like taking a Chevy and
putting a ford engine in it, and the,,,

~~!! HORRORS !!~~

ford EMBLEM on it..........

[ki4nzu]

Quote[/b] (ku4my @ Dec. 15 2006,21:22)]http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d148/ku4my/ErrorMessage.gif
Tom, well....you already know my answer.

KI4NZU>>>>>Breaks out in tears and start getting thoughts of throwing things all over my room (including my shack stuff).

It just wont be the same anymore without my beloved CW. Sorry for the rant, but I had to get this off my chest.

[KC0NVI]

Well, we have arrived at what was said would never happen.

Now instead of having it as a requirement for the tickets, it is a matter of ambition and wanting to learn, and not having to learn.
Sort of like being told you have to eat your veggies, and you didn't want to. Today you still don't eat them cause you were told when you were younger you had too.

Now it is... You pass the test and get the ticket, but do you just say you have it and let it collect dust, or do you put any effort into what amateur radio really is about?

I'm not against code (even though I don't know it), but I am not saying that I and others will not learn it either. It is a mere matter of do I want to learn it.
I personally would rather have the choice of doing so, and not be forced to do so, because some entity says you have to do this. We have enough rules and regulations and HOA's to contend with, this will let us here in the US of A utilize the skills still remaining to be tested on to use the bands to communicate, not with the person at the other end of the state, but at the other end of the world.

Perhaps opening new lines of communication with others.

I see where those that have had to earn their privledge at HF are coming from. However, the world has changed, you adapted, the radio that once played music, evolved into displaying moving images in black & white, and today they appear in living color.
You didn't just turn it off either did you, then the internet was set-free upon the world (asking Gore, he'll tell you it was him that did that, but anyway...) you soon found yourself using the resources it had to offer, did you not?

You embraced it just as the radio evolved, and I am certain that this alteration of the licenses for allowing the world to communicate will be embraced as well. Soon yuou'll be sharing the knowledge you have learned and earned with those that are just getting started, and you'll feel proud that you were able to pass it on to help that person, afterall isn't that what amateur radio is about is passing it on, and learning, and teaching, and not letting a legacy fade away?

Perhaps the FCC did this, not to conform with the world, but so that this hobby doesn't just fade away into a cell tower.
I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, certainly won't be the last, but I know that I have listened to many that "earned" their tickets to operate on HF and honestly, wasn't real impressed with too many.

In closing, I'd like to say, some may not have earned that special ticket when it was required, but if it is to die, then it will as a result of those that know it and refuse to pass along to those that are wanting to learn.

Grumbling over the fact of what has been announced is NOT going to alter it, but removing yourself from the hobby will only be self-serving. The hobby will not get passed onto others and you may find yourself tuning into Jerry Springer Reruns and listening to the arteries harden.

There is no need for this sort of self destruction
, join in and have fun, don't let it die, make it grow!

Hopefully I will be able to have a QSO with some of you in the new year.

73

KC0NVI
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[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 15 2006,14:05)]As another public service to this thread, I have reconfigured my vaccum cleaner to make sense of JEM's posts on QRZ.COM...
So..
Does that blow?
Or suck?

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[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 15 2006,19:53)]Congratulations to the Generals to be. #Only time will tell now if we will have positive contributors or CB the second generation. #On the air, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. #I do hear singing....
i think some one stepped on her tail! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KE5FRF]

Doggone it.

Are we all slipping around here?

The original poster of this thread topic deserves an answer!!!

Dec 15, 2006, the decision to drop the code was officially made. All estimates pin the official drop date at the end of January, 2007. (according to the ARRL)

Sorry, OM, no official date yet, but there is your time frame.

Now, who among us volunteers to go back in the anals of QRZ.com history to dig up all the old threads with this same question and respectfully give each their answer?

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ Dec. 15 2006,23:20)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 15 2006,14:05)]As another public service to this thread, I have reconfigured my vaccum cleaner to make sense of JEM's posts on QRZ.COM...
So..
Does that blow?
Or suck?

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Yes.

[ai4ep]

...we all got to see this one thread go through the change , in the past page.

Just go back and re read all the posts BEFORE / AFTER the announcement.

It IS worth your time.

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Dec. 15 2006,23:41)]...we all got to see this one thread go through the change , in the past page.

Just go back and re read all the posts BEFORE / AFTER the announcement.

It IS worth your time.
i was(and still am) against the change, but as with all the other changes over the years , we all have to live with it and now we also have to keep things from going further downhill.

slainte mhor to ham radio ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[KI6ADA]

When will it be dropped? Lets just say December 15, 2006. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (KI6ADA @ Dec. 16 2006,00:32)]When will it be dropped? Lets just say December 15, 2006. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
as the fcc notice said, the final report and order has not been published yet ! #(it will probably be after the first of the year when it is.)

let's just say that it was announced on the 15th and no one knows when it will become final yet.

also remember that things could still change very quickly, i would like to see the requirement remain for the extra, it could happen yet !

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Dec. 15 2006,23:42)]also remember that things could still change very quickly, i would like to see the requirement remain for the extra, it could happen yet !
Nothing's going to change. Element 1 is finished. It's just a matter of time now. The R&O is written. Nobody's going to come up with a new argument at the last minute that'll change the FCC's mind. At most there will be another useless delay while they handle the inevitable petition(s) to reconsider.

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 16 2006,00:46)]Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Dec. 15 2006,23:42)]also remember that things could still change very quickly, i would like to see the requirement remain for the extra, it could happen yet !
Nothing's going to change. #Element 1 is finished. It's just a matter of time now. #The R&O is written. Nobody's going to come up with a new argument at the last minute that'll change the FCC's mind. #At most there will be another useless delay while they handle the inevitable petition(s) to reconsider.
the r&o may be written but until it is published it can still be changed.

we just have to wait and see what happens and when it happens.

slainte mhor to all ! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W0UZR]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Dec. 16 2006,00:59)]i was(and still am) against the change, but as with all the other changes over the years , we all have to live with it and now we also have to keep things from going further downhill.
Now,,,

In today's times and how things are going,,,

How The HILL do we do that?

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (w0uzr @ Dec. 16 2006,01:43)]Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Dec. 16 2006,00:59)]i was(and still am) against the change, but as with all the other changes over the years , we all have to live with it and now we also have to keep things from going further downhill.
Now,,,

# # # # #In today's times and how things are going,,,

# # # # # # # # # #How The HILL do we do that?
like porcupines! very carefully! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

actually we have to set a good example for the newcomers just as good hams have always tried to do, and discourage bad operating practices.( with a wouff hong or rttysnitch if necessary! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif )

[k7nys]

Dropped the code?.....Now what will we fight over? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[k7nys]

NEWINGTON, CT, Dec 15, 2006 -- In an historic move, the FCC has acted to drop the Morse code requirement for all Amateur Radio license classes. The Commission today adopted, but hasn't yet released, the long-awaited Report and Order (R&O) in WT Docket 05-235, the "Morse code" proceeding. Also today, the FCC adopted an Order on Reconsideration in WT Docket 04-140 -- the "omnibus" proceeding -- modifying the Amateur Radio rules in response to an ARRL request to accommodate automatically controlled narrowband digital stations on 80 meters in the wake of rule changes that became effective today at 12:01 AM Eastern Time. The Commission said it will designate the 3585 to 3600 kHz frequency segment for such operations, although the segment will remain available for CW, RTTY and data as it has been. In a break from what's been the usual practice in Amateur Radio proceedings, the FCC only issued a public notice at or about the close of business today and not the actual Report & Order, so some details -- including the effective dates of the two orders -- remain uncertain. Currently, Amateur Radio applicants for General and higher class licenses have to pass a 5 WPM Morse code test to operate on HF. Today's R&O will eliminate that requirement all around.

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (k7nys @ Dec. 16 2006,01:53)]Dropped the code?.....Now what will we fight over? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
the no written test international group that is gathering as we speak? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[K0HWY]

I think that group is a lot further along than you may realize. While we've been sitting around here talking about the pros and cons of no code HF licensing, they've been hard at work mounting the second offensive which will ultimately spell the end of "amateur radio."

I think I'll have to back peddle on something I told someone a few days ago. He asked if ham radio was like CB and I replied, "No." I'll have to honestly admit, I was wrong. Oh well, it's not the first time.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Dec. 16 2006,01:10)]Quote[/b] (k7nys @ Dec. 16 2006,01:53)]Dropped the code?.....Now what will we fight over? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
the no written test international group that is gathering as we speak? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Actually OM, I believe the element 2 exam is slated to become quite a lot easier. I don't really think it matters any more, because the exam could be about quantum chromodynamics, and as long as we had the actual questions and the actual answers to study beforehand, the test would still be easy. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[KC0NBW]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 16 2006,02:33)]Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Dec. 16 2006,01:10)]Quote[/b] (k7nys @ Dec. 16 2006,01:53)]Dropped the code?.....Now what will we fight over? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
the no written test international group that is gathering as we speak? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Actually OM, I believe the element 2 exam is slated to become quite a lot easier. #I don't really think it matters any more, because the exam could be about quantum chromodynamics, and as long as we had the actual questions and the actual answers to study beforehand, the test would still be easy. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
the question pool for element 2 was enlarged quite a bit not long ago, the other question pools were also enlarged.

but the whining about how hard the written tests are is about to begin bigtime! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

this is probably the first time i have used the angry emoticon, i have a feeling i might be using it more often in the future,but i hope not.

[KI6GWS]

As I read the various threads and hear dupity dupe dupe in my mind, I see the site has been divided into two factions. Both sides equally passionate about their position. Hey, I like a good argument, it's the division into two factions I'm concerned about. With all the name calling and wild speculation, this thing is blowing way out of proportion.

HAMs, this need not be "earth shattering". For those worried about a lesser quality of HAMs, ELMER A NEWBIE! Treat CW as a "golden prize" to be reached for. Give it value and people will want it. Ok, FCC no longer requires it, doesn't mean that HAMs gotta drop it, actually, maybe this will be incentive for the KNOW CODE folks to dust off those keys and go for more use of it. Good examples are followed.

Rather than falling to pieces here, the time spent in panic would be better enjoyed in CW. These are just my thoughts, YMMV and of course, everyone will make up their own mind about it one way or the other.

Back to each person's respective brawl.

[n0klu]

Quote[/b] (k7nys @ Dec. 16 2006,08:53)]Dropped the code?.....Now what will we fight over? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
How about the Pros and Cons of BPL, that is the real issue at stake.



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[w6dce]

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 13 2006,22:21)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Dec. 13 2006,20:22)]I HAD TO LEARN MORSE CODE, and ANY ONE ( even you ) who wishes to transmit legally on the HF amatuer frequencies #( no, cb dont count ) should have to learn morse code, too.
You mean "anyone living in a country which doesn't have a license that allows HF access without Morse Code and who doesn't wish to speak into the microphone of a duly licensed control #operator and who wishes to transmit legally on the HF amateur frequencies" currently has to "either learn at least enough Morse code to pass the examination requirement in their country, move to some place that doesn't have the requirement, or wait until their country drops the archaic requirement."

There, I haven't said that in this thread either.

(My socks aren't neon, but they're green. does that count?)
Quack Quack.. ROFL

[k8pg]

THIS
HORSE ITS DEAD AND THE FAT LADY SANG:p

[N6BOA]

Quote[/b] (k8pg @ Dec. 21 2006,20:10)]THIS
HORSE ITS DEAD AND THE FAT LADY SANG:p
It would appear many horses died! You are SO right!

[PE1RDW]

I think I still see a hair moving but it might be the wind.:p

[n2nh]

...we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we th....

Almost. Be sure to buy those rigs before Christmas and justify the timing of this statement by the FCC. Oh, and didn 't everybody tell you to go before we left?
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[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Dec. 15 2006,01:55)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 16 2006,00:46)]Quote[/b] (KC0NBW @ Dec. 15 2006,23:42)]also remember that things could still change very quickly, i would like to see the requirement remain for the extra, it could happen yet !
Nothing's going to change. #Element 1 is finished. It's just a matter of time now. #The R&O is written. Nobody's going to come up with a new argument at the last minute that'll change the FCC's mind. #At most there will be another useless delay while they handle the inevitable petition(s) to reconsider.
the r&o may be written but until it is published it can still be changed.

we just have to wait and see what happens and when it happens.

slainte mhor to all ! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
LMAO! Now that's an eternal optimist for you. Here comes the clue bat. Doh! Code testing is DEAD!

[w4rlr]

Quote[/b] (KI6GWS @ Dec. 16 2006,13:24)]As I read the various threads and hear dupity dupe dupe in my mind, I see the site has been divided into two factions. Both sides equally passionate about their position. Hey, I like a good argument, it's the division into two factions I'm concerned about. With all the name calling and wild speculation, this thing is blowing way out of proportion.

HAMs, this need not be "earth shattering". For those worried about a lesser quality of HAMs, ELMER A NEWBIE! Treat CW as a "golden prize" to be reached for. Give it value and people will want it. Ok, FCC no longer requires it, doesn't mean that HAMs gotta drop it, actually, maybe this will be incentive for the KNOW CODE folks to dust off those keys and go for more use of it. Good examples are followed.

Rather than falling to pieces here, the time spent in panic would be better enjoyed in CW. These are just my thoughts, YMMV and of course, everyone will make up their own mind about it one way or the other.

Back to each person's respective brawl.
Thank you for your voice of sanity and reason, which sadly is being drowned out by those veteran amateurs who see newcomers as "the death of amateur radio".

I do share their desire to maintain testing for rules and regulations, as well as an increased emphasis on theory and good operating practice in all levels of privileges from Technician to Extra. And I further believe that the Extra class should have retained a Morse Code proficiency requrement.

But what do I know? I'm just a Technician class who in the eyes of some will bring the destruction of the amateur service. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[ai4ep]

PEQ---just like your "small letters " say at the bottom of all your posts ---morse code is NOT dead, merely the requirement in a test. You can still LEARN & USE CW just like you always have.

Fact is --- with the requirement gone, it might actually inspire folks to learn it. Only time will tell, and even IF it were to " die " it would be a very slow death, taking many decades to go away.....past any of our lifetimes.

I tried one of the " MFJ CODE READERS " , and for my part, it just does NOT work real good on being able to tell CW from static, and erroneously by its own design let you read a lot of letters that no one sent via cw. The technology just aint there yet that can tell CW from " static " in your receiver, even with noise blankers, noise reducers, etc. Nothing YET can beat the human ear on that level.

We have the technology to SEND CW just by using a computer keyboard, but we dont have it for receiving.....yet...it would be hard for any one to make such a gadget....but then, there IS a challenge for some experimenters out there to attempt / try / experiment and make one that will work a lot better than what IS available right now.

Without insulting any ones abilities, that may be our next real challenge on THAT lavel of communication ---to make a foolproof cw receiver that can put it on a display for us to read..

Will some one reading THIS POST make that discovery ?

We just do not know, yet.

[W0UZR]

Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Dec. 23 2006,11:10)]Quote[/b] (KI6GWS @ Dec. 16 2006,13:24)]As I read the various threads and hear dupity dupe dupe in my mind, I see the site has been divided into two factions. Both sides equally passionate about their position. Hey, I like a good argument, it's the division into two factions I'm concerned about. With all the name calling and wild speculation, this thing is blowing way out of proportion.

HAMs, this need not be "earth shattering". For those worried about a lesser quality of HAMs, ELMER A NEWBIE! Treat CW as a "golden prize" to be reached for. Give it value and people will want it. Ok, FCC no longer requires it, doesn't mean that HAMs gotta drop it, actually, maybe this will be incentive for the KNOW CODE folks to dust off those keys and go for more use of it. Good examples are followed.

Rather than falling to pieces here, the time spent in panic would be better enjoyed in CW. These are just my thoughts, YMMV and of course, everyone will make up their own mind about it one way or the other.

Back to each person's respective brawl.
Thank you for your voice of sanity and reason, which sadly is being drowned out by those veteran amateurs who see newcomers as "the death of amateur radio".

I do share their desire to maintain testing for rules and regulations, as well as an increased emphasis on theory and good operating practice in all levels of privileges from Technician to Extra. And I further believe that the Extra class should have retained a Morse Code proficiency requrement.

But what do I know? I'm just a Technician class who in the eyes of some will bring the destruction of the amateur service. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Well, here is the way I look at it,,

Even if the people that believes

"OH !!! HORRORS !!!
"WE'RE DOOMED !!

like me, but after everything is said and done (like it should be now) then we ALL get up, dust ourselves off,
AGREE TO DISAGREE !!

shake hands and us all start to work on other and upcoming things that really matter..........

[KC9JIQ]

It's been about a year since the code dropping rumors began, and I want to say, even tho I was studying for my element one when it was dropped, and that really PO'ed me, but really, if the morse code is SO GREAT to the hobby, then why would we need mandatory testing?

The truth of the matter is that code testing was never necessary! It was actually stupid, it only gave hams excuses of not upgrading, couldn't "hear tones" etc.

It makes no sense for a OM to learn code just to get on HF with his buddies, infact it makes much more sense to learn code to use it!

So this really STUPID ideal that you have to learn code to get on HF is silly, rubish, hogwash!

Times have radically changed, and what greatness CW had is no longer the case, it's now been obsoleted by computers, and CW has been downgraded to "just another mode" but a cool mode, so this ideal that somehow that dropping the CW requirement is going to doom the hobby is just nonsense.

done, finished over-with, and you know what, the Amateur Radio Service is still going strong, and will continue going strong for another twenty years, or more.

We are still here folks, this hobby is going nowhere!
I am a nOcOde tech, and I've recently gotten the bug to finish up my CWcom coarse!


So while you all turned and said the code dropping is the end of the hobby as we know it, and turned your eyes to the "Dargum QRM'ing contesters" and the "overthrow of the ARRL" the Code is still here, contesting and QRMing is still here, and the ARRL will still be here, in all it's splender!

[KC5CSG]

LOL!!!!

Rest in peace CW. Now, if only CW supporters can find the same peace.

Jerry

[N2RJ]

The simple point was - and this is my last post in this thread - when you piss on the traditions of the hobby, the hobby becomes devalued.

Already we're seeing evidence of that.

[K7JBQ]

JIQ,

On behalf of all moderators, thank you so much for dragging this relic out of the attic and placing it under the tree.

Everyone else: Please, please, just let it die.

73,
Bill, K7JBQ
One of the QRZ.com moderators

[KI4ITV]

Hmmm.
The Post of Christmas Past.
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[KC5CSG]

So we're all in agreement here? This thread needs to go the way of CW? Away?

LOL!!!

I will end my little gleeful remark with the last message in CW sent by the French Navy in 1997:

"Calling all. This is our last cry before our eternal silence."

[W4INF]

la la la la la la la

[KD6NIG]

Holy thread ressurrection Batman!

[KC9JIQ]

Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ Dec. 25 2007,11:11)]The simple point was - and this is my last post in this thread - when you piss on the traditions of the hobby, the hobby becomes devalued.

Already we're seeing evidence of that.
..and this is where we disagree, the code IS STILL A TRADITION, the FCC did not "piss" on it, they didn't ban it, they simply dropped a requirement!

The tradition is still there, for all those who respect tradition of this fine hobby.

But wasn't spark gap a tradition? and yet it was banned.

[KC5CSG]

Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Dec. 25 2007,12:47)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ Dec. 25 2007,11:11)]The simple point was - and this is my last post in this thread - when you piss on the traditions of the hobby, the hobby becomes devalued.

Already we're seeing evidence of that.
..and this is where we disagree, the code IS STILL A TRADITION, the FCC did not "piss" on it, they didn't ban it, they simply dropped a requirement!

The tradition is still there, for all those who respect tradition of this fine hobby.

But wasn't spark gap a tradition? #and yet it was banned.
Smoke signalling was a form of communications too. Maybe we should test on that too.

[ab1ga]

Now I know where the Christmas spirit goes to die...

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[K7FE]

"Say Good Night Gracie."